| 00:01.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Sargeras (~Sargeras@cpe-104-32-233-69.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 00:04.27 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn |
| 00:04.36 | Cairenn | hugs Sargeras |
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| 00:08.14 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.26 | Stanzilla | what did you do |
| 00:11.06 | Fisker | Poor depressed foxlit |
| 00:12.56 | foxlit | Replaced ~50 lines of code with ~5. |
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| 00:20.06 | foxlit | Hey Fisker! |
| 00:20.34 | Fisker | Hey |
| 00:20.35 | foxlit | (though it's really where those lines were that is the source of disappointment.) |
| 00:20.42 | foxlit | Does the queen recognize any words beginning with q? |
| 00:20.51 | Semlar | queue |
| 00:21.07 | Fisker | Are you calling me a queen? |
| 00:21.18 | Semlar | i think he just called you gay |
| 00:21.42 | foxlit | ... totally! |
| 00:23.28 | foxlit | quilte, quisling, quiz and quizze, apparently. |
| 00:23.36 | Semlar | quite |
| 00:24.06 | foxlit | Semlar: that's not the right queen. |
| 00:24.28 | Semlar | are we talking freddy mercury here |
| 00:24.29 | g0urra | queer |
| 00:24.46 | foxlit | no, we're talking about the queen that's contextually relevant to Fisker. |
| 00:24.57 | Semlar | what's the difference |
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| 00:25.32 | foxlit | location, mostly. |
| 00:26.18 | Fisker | storms sobbingly to the bedroom |
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| 00:27.08 | foxlit | So I meant the danish queen, and hence the question was about danish words starting with Q. |
| 00:28.54 | Fisker | Oh |
| 00:28.57 | Semlar | how about a quiche |
| 00:29.07 | Fisker | It's not Danish |
| 00:29.09 | Fisker | Pls |
| 00:29.18 | Semlar | well i can't think of any other pastries that start with Q |
| 00:29.58 | foxlit | in unrelated discoveries, OPie's {{mount:ground}} could pick the Sea Turtle. |
| 00:30.20 | Stanzilla | blacklist! |
| 00:30.43 | Fisker | Goodbye foxlit |
| 00:30.52 | foxlit | yeah, that's the plan. |
| 00:31.05 | foxlit | Sayonara, Fisker. |
| 00:31.08 | Gnarfoz | blacklists Stanzilla |
| 00:31.21 | Stanzilla | why |
| 00:32.00 | foxlit | but it kind of raises a question: what other non-mounts are there? |
| 00:32.25 | Stanzilla | none, I think |
| 00:32.31 | Stanzilla | but there are items that can act as mounts |
| 00:32.40 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: early trial-run of grumpy old man privileges |
| 00:32.41 | foxlit | don't care, not in the journal. |
| 00:32.47 | foxlit | but there's also the Riding Turtle, so meh. |
| 00:33.13 | Stanzilla | one of the turtles has full run speed though, or not? |
| 00:34.18 | kd3|hate`net | the pandaren dragon turtles do |
| 00:34.39 | Stanzilla | so only the tcg and the fishing turtle are slow |
| 00:34.46 | foxlit | kd3: I don't think we have a list of slow mounts anywhere :( |
| 00:35.13 | Semlar | are there more than 2 |
| 00:35.26 | Gnarfoz | seems like you need a list of lists to be sure of that |
| 00:36.10 | kd3 | you know what, you're right. looks like those got lost in the [[Mounts]] refactor |
| 00:38.04 | kd3 | the only permanent slow mounts are the tcg one and the sea turtle afaik. there's holiday 'mounts' that move at run speed |
| 00:39.17 | Semlar | kd3 did you see my mad valkor-killing skillz video |
| 00:39.28 | kd3 | I did not |
| 00:39.57 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.12 | Semlar | he just kind of patrols around the area |
| 00:41.49 | Stanzilla | Unfortunately, this video is not available in your country because it could contain music from SME, for which we could not agree on conditions of use with GEMA. |
| 00:41.53 | Stanzilla | greeat |
| 00:41.54 | Semlar | owned |
| 00:42.24 | foxlit | it's quite terrible, so maybe GEMA is doing you a favour. |
| 00:42.24 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.31 | Semlar | yeah |
| 00:42.37 | Semlar | it's probably for the best |
| 00:43.32 | Stanzilla | i want the one that adds the name to the minimap, please |
| 00:44.08 | Semlar | that's mostly for debugging purposes, i'm not sure how i can do that without it getting out of control in some areas |
| 00:44.37 | Semlar | like this.. http://i.imgur.com/NF61wMf.jpg |
| 00:44.59 | Stanzilla | nice |
| 00:44.59 | Semlar | and some rares have super long names |
| 00:45.03 | kd3 | do the blasted lands ones have loot yet? |
| 00:45.13 | Semlar | i don't think i actually killed it |
| 00:45.27 | Semlar | most of the stuff in that area were like iron horde things |
| 00:45.41 | kd3 | the entire zone is phased for level 90s |
| 00:45.51 | Semlar | actually i know i didn't kill it because the only thing i have bound on that mage is ice lance |
| 00:47.20 | Simca | semlar your 'mad-skills' video is actually pretty sweet, haha |
| 00:47.33 | Simca | at least it is impressive to get the kill in such a crowded area |
| 00:47.36 | Semlar | >_> i don't even know if i have all of my abilities bound |
| 00:47.53 | Semlar | i certainly don't have my hotkeys set up so that was a surprise when i tried to FD |
| 00:48.31 | Semlar | "oh great, it knocked me into another elite" |
| 00:50.17 | Semlar | i was confused about the range of his knockback because one time i avoided it when i was pretty close and another time i got knocked back when i wasn't even in the path |
| 00:51.18 | Stanzilla | so even when you are good, you are really just lucky |
| 00:51.51 | Semlar | i was actually trying to test how close you could get without getting hit |
| 00:52.15 | Semlar | i did get lucky a few times though because that guy hit like a truck |
| 00:52.37 | Semlar | i survived once with like 1% of my health |
| 00:53.30 | Semlar | and he didn't even drop anything! |
| 00:53.57 | Semlar | well, at least i figured out you can't debuff him more than twice |
| 00:57.35 | Gnarfoz | http://www.brandsonsale.com/halloween-costume-2015.html :D |
| 00:58.13 | Gnarfoz | I either forgot or didn't know this existed: http://eu-looking-glass.battle.net/ :o |
| 01:00.27 | kd3 | oh that's neat. a traceroute from blizz's end |
| 01:01.28 | tlund | too bad it doesn't do IPv6 :( |
| 01:01.55 | Gnarfoz | yeah, noticed that |
| 01:02.20 | Gnarfoz | (well... it wouldn't work anyway, since Blizz's v6 announcements are bad) |
| 01:02.45 | tlund | they are? |
| 01:02.56 | Stanzilla | they even have that |
| 01:03.00 | Stanzilla | ? |
| 01:03.04 | Gnarfoz | have what? |
| 01:03.09 | Gnarfoz | v6? for years |
| 01:03.29 | Gnarfoz | bad enough to be filtered out by our biggest ISP, tlund :( |
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| 01:03.53 | Gnarfoz | I keep forgetting what the problem is, someone explained it on the forums, but since when have EU forum posts ever made anything happen |
| 01:03.57 | tlund | Gnarfoz: i assume for EU they are just in TSIC:s PA-block? |
| 01:04.13 | Gnarfoz | Blizzard have their own netblocks |
| 01:04.33 | tlund | really? what prefix? |
| 01:04.36 | Gnarfoz | let me dig up the post |
| 01:05.34 | Gnarfoz | 2001:67c:27a0::/45 |
| 01:05.49 | Gnarfoz | but they are trying to announce 2001:067c:27a6::/48 from within that |
| 01:06.10 | Gnarfoz | but no appropriate route6 object was created in RIPE's DB for that by Blizz |
| 01:06.21 | Gnarfoz | hence it's being filtered out |
| 01:06.37 | Gnarfoz | (quick & dirty translation of the forum post, which is in German) |
| 01:06.48 | tlund | so .. I work with BGP at a major europeean ISP :) |
| 01:06.55 | Gnarfoz | http://eu.battle.net/wow/de/forum/topic/6298132627 if you care to dig through the German |
| 01:07.07 | Gnarfoz | tlund: sure, but since you're in Sweden, I doubt it's DTAG |
| 01:07.15 | tlund | and I can tell you that no one who knows what they are doing are doing strict prefix filtering based on RIPE (or other RIR) database entrys |
| 01:07.28 | tlund | if DTAG is really doing that .. then .. wow. |
| 01:07.29 | Gnarfoz | (and the problem only affects them and their customers, I guess I left that out earlier :D) |
| 01:07.50 | Gnarfoz | DTAG does many strange things, allegedly ^^ |
| 01:08.05 | Gnarfoz | all I can tell you is that |
| 01:08.05 | Gnarfoz | https://s-lga1.s.de.net.dtag.de/index.php?pageid=lg&query=ipv6+bgp¶=2001%3A067c%3A27a6%3A%3A%2F48&server=194.25.0.206&EXEC=Execute |
| 01:08.05 | tlund | I have reachability for 2001:67c:27a0:: |
| 01:08.24 | Gnarfoz | "network not in table" is not the desired output of that command :D |
| 01:09.07 | tlund | well, you should probably drom the /48 - but it does indeed produce the same output |
| 01:09.41 | Gnarfoz | for the /45? yeah I guess that works even for DTAG, but Blizz is announcing that /48 |
| 01:09.55 | tlund | sorry, i meant, you should drop the /45 from your command |
| 01:10.02 | Gnarfoz | that is not the /45? |
| 01:10.03 | tlund | to see if they might have longer or shorter prefixes |
| 01:10.05 | Gnarfoz | that's the /48 |
| 01:10.39 | Gnarfoz | which was my point (or well, the forum guy's) from the start =) |
| 01:11.05 | tlund | 2001:67C:27A0::/48 is in the table yes |
| 01:11.35 | tlund | but not the /56 |
| 01:11.39 | Gnarfoz | in your ISP's? yeah, well, like I said :D DTAG is filtering that out; allegedly because no route6 object for that exists (whatever that means or if that's sane) |
| 01:11.47 | tlund | no, i looked at sprint |
| 01:11.50 | tlund | no VPN up :) |
| 01:12.11 | Gnarfoz | Sprint o_o the US mobile operator? |
| 01:12.40 | tlund | Sprintlik, AS1239, one of the Tier1 operators |
| 01:12.45 | tlund | Sprintlink |
| 01:12.53 | tlund | but yes, same group as the us mobile operator |
| 01:13.03 | Gnarfoz | I just thought "how are they related" :p |
| 01:16.46 | Gnarfoz | for fun: this is what it looks like from my end http://haste.sbuehl.com/azaqodexum.css :D |
| 01:16.53 | Gnarfoz | (not surprising, really) |
| 01:18.00 | tlund | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.03 | tlund | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.06 | tlund | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.08 | tlund | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.18 | tlund | but now - time for bed .. or actually, two hours ago |
| 01:18.21 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 01:18.45 | Gnarfoz | you don't know anyone at DTAG's routing department, by chance :p |
| 01:19.04 | tlund | no, sorry :( |
| 01:19.04 | Gnarfoz | that's probably the only way this is ever going to get fixed :D |
| 01:19.21 | tlund | well, blizzard should start announcing their entire allocation, the full /56 |
| 01:19.28 | tlund | and also create a route6 object in the RIPE database |
| 01:19.52 | Gnarfoz | probably =^_^= |
| 01:19.55 | tlund | person: Changkoo Lee |
| 01:19.56 | tlund | e-mail: clee@blizzard.com |
| 01:20.00 | tlund | tell that guy :) |
| 01:20.08 | tlund | gnite! |
| 01:20.13 | Gnarfoz | nn |
| 01:21.15 | Stanzilla | so Gnarfoz |
| 01:21.19 | Stanzilla | are you going to email that guy |
| 01:21.51 | Gnarfoz | probably |
| 01:22.04 | Stanzilla | in 2020 |
| 01:22.36 | Gnarfoz | just in time for ipv8 |
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| 01:24.32 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.55 | Gnarfoz | that looks ridiculously like a NGE title |
| 01:26.37 | Semlar | you can create a protected frame in combat despite the fact that it throws an error? |
| 01:26.44 | Gnarfoz | wait, don't tell me that means you fixed it again |
| 01:27.16 | Semlar | the error is lie! |
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| 01:28.53 | foxlit | it's a convinient intersection of "ridiculously broken", "ridiculously easy to fix", and "ridiculously easy to abuse" |
| 01:40.40 | Stanzilla | foxlit: how did you find out that the frame gets created despite the error? |
| 01:40.46 | Stanzilla | luck? |
| 01:41.34 | foxlit | I was adjusting this: http://pastebin.com/HpDm14km |
| 01:43.51 | foxlit | (I can't sync down to the RE in combat, but there's a corresponding secure version that can't set hintFunc; so the idea is that you can call from RE then call the insecure API, which'll verify that you own the macro name and let you set the hint func even during lockdown) |
| 01:44.49 | foxlit | the code to test whether it works had something like if not frame then CreateFrame("frame", "frame", nil, "secureframetemplate") frame:SetAttribute("RunNamedMacro", "") end api:SetNamedMacroHandler("name", frame) |
| 01:45.52 | foxlit | if the first time you run that is in combat, it'll run createframe, which'll throw, so no attribute is set. The next time you run it, the frame exists, so SNMH throws because the attribute isn't set. |
| 01:46.34 | Stanzilla | makes sense |
| 02:08.15 | foxlit | eh, so the zip was 403'ing. |
| 02:10.42 | Gnarfoz | so it was :D |
| 02:11.17 | tz | wow, queue for the bnet app, that's new |
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| 02:42.09 | p3lim | tz: wait, what? |
| 02:42.17 | p3lim | for downloading it? |
| 02:42.35 | tz | no, there was another DDoS going on, had a 80min queue to log onto the bnet app |
| 02:42.53 | tz | seems to have dissipated though |
| 02:43.13 | karl_w_w | so my piss is green this morning |
| 02:43.20 | tz | could launch wow and log in manually though *shrug* |
| 02:43.28 | tz | like, via double-click exe |
| 02:43.31 | karl_w_w | either that or yellow + blue toilet water = green |
| 02:46.45 | Dagmar | ...or you drank a lot of kool-aid last night |
| 02:46.52 | Dagmar | ...and I mean a couple gallons |
| 02:47.05 | Dagmar | Great Bluedini was awesome |
| 02:47.39 | Dagmar | About one gallon of it will do |
| 02:48.50 | karl_w_w | i live in australia i cant drink any kool-aid :P |
| 02:49.05 | Dagmar | http://www.poprewind.com/7-best-retired-kool-aid-flavors/ |
| 02:49.46 | Dagmar | The dye in the Great Bluedini that makes it change from green powder into blue kool-aid is relatively unimpressed by the human digestive tract |
| 02:50.18 | Dagmar | I found this out the hard way one afternoon after having taken LSD the night before |
| 02:50.42 | Dagmar | There's a disturbing sanity check fail for ya |
| 02:51.04 | Dagmar | "OH F**K! AM I STILL TRIPPING?" |
| 02:51.18 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 02:51.52 | karl_w_w | if their selling point is the colour, I can only assume the taste of kool-aid is nothing to write home about |
| 02:52.18 | Dagmar | It's basically flavored sugar water |
| 02:52.21 | Dagmar | ...with some coloring |
| 02:52.26 | Dagmar | Beats tap water |
| 02:53.01 | Dagmar | They were just desperate to distinguish themselves because at about the same time the fucked up ketchup and mustard were hitting the streets |
| 02:53.21 | Dagmar | You remember the little fad where for awhile ketchup came in every color of the goddamn rainbow? |
| 02:55.37 | karl_w_w | Beats tap water, or Beats⢠tap water? :P |
| 02:56.04 | karl_w_w | ive only seen green ketchup I think |
| 02:57.44 | Sargeras | me hugs Cairenn |
| 02:57.53 | Sargeras | oops |
| 02:57.58 | Cairenn | me hugs Sargeras ;) |
| 02:58.00 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn |
| 02:58.02 | Sargeras | lol |
| 02:58.03 | Sargeras | hi2ui |
| 02:58.08 | Cairenn | Hey :) |
| 02:58.28 | Dagmar | karl_w_w: For a brief while Heinz went nuts and was selling it yellow, orange, blue, and purple as well |
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| 04:06.56 | ccox | crap, lagged out of a raid |
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| 05:42.01 | Kraps | whats up with bnet |
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| 05:44.04 | Kodiack | Kraps, DDoS or some junk |
| 05:44.11 | Kodiack | Things will probably be unstable for a while. |
| 05:44.26 | Kodiack | And the site and other stuff may be generally slow in the meantime. |
| 05:44.41 | Kodiack | The extra traffic certainly doesn't help either. It's just a bit of a mess all around. Hoping it can be resolved soon enough though! |
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| 07:00.42 | Shirik | fire siren going off at 12 AM |
| 07:00.44 | Shirik | that can't be good |
| 07:01.24 | Mr_Rabies | see, i'd figure it was one of the morons in my dorm drunkenly trying to cook bacon on the shitpile shared stove in the basement |
| 07:01.35 | Mr_Rabies | because that's like 90% of the times i've ever been woken up to a fire alarm |
| 07:02.00 | Mr_Rabies | eventually they got common enough that i'd just stay in my room |
| 07:02.19 | nevcairiel | That sounds like a terrible situation |
| 07:02.21 | Thunder_Child | Till you died in a fire that is. |
| 07:02.27 | Mr_Rabies | it was a solid concrete building with a brick exterior and ceramic tile floors |
| 07:02.40 | Mr_Rabies | and concrete walls |
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| 07:02.49 | Mr_Rabies | painted, but no drywall or anything |
| 07:03.09 | nevcairiel | Fire finds a way to eat away at the building |
| 07:03.28 | Mr_Rabies | i was on the groundfloor pretty close to the door, and as an emergency could escape through my window |
| 07:03.34 | Mr_Rabies | i wasn't too worried |
| 07:03.59 | Mr_Rabies | door and window on different sides of the building |
| 07:05.24 | Semlar | i think we can all agree that it's worth burning to death if it means we can get 5 more minutes of sleep |
| 07:05.55 | nevcairiel | Well you'll certainly get your sleep after |
| 07:06.13 | Mr_Rabies | i mean it was mostly during the winter months, i'd keep my door open and listen |
| 07:06.24 | Mr_Rabies | at the very least i'd never really hurry out |
| 07:06.30 | Mr_Rabies | i'd make sure to get my jacket and whatnot |
| 07:06.51 | Mr_Rabies | it happened 5+ times a week |
| 07:07.08 | nevcairiel | They should ban the stove then |
| 07:07.34 | Mr_Rabies | the dorm and school were kinda shitty and really only cared about money |
| 07:07.54 | nevcairiel | Am I glad I never had to live in a dorm |
| 07:07.58 | Semlar | they could have just microwaved bacon |
| 07:08.03 | Mr_Rabies | it was fun for the most part |
| 07:08.08 | Mr_Rabies | it was the honor dorm |
| 07:08.10 | Mr_Rabies | so |
| 07:08.22 | nevcairiel | Closest I came was in the military, but you usually get discipline there |
| 07:08.26 | Mr_Rabies | we mostly just left our doors open as long as we were there and played WoW and MGS3 and guitar hero and stuff |
| 07:10.46 | Fisker | fgsfds |
| 07:10.56 | Mr_Rabies | dsfargeg |
| 07:11.30 | Mr_Rabies | man, i love black lagoon but is it depressing |
| 07:11.40 | Mr_Rabies | just rewatching some of these episodes as they air on tv is like |
| 07:11.42 | Mr_Rabies | ;_; |
| 07:12.21 | Fisker | what does that mean Mr_Rabies ? |
| 07:13.07 | Mr_Rabies | it means this fisker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tGMSaR_MD4 |
| 07:25.57 | Simca | ... |
| 07:26.25 | Fisker | hello Simca |
| 07:26.58 | Simca | hello Fisker Q-less |
| 07:28.26 | Fisker | Yep |
| 07:29.13 | Fisker | reports Simca for duty |
| 07:34.26 | Mr_Rabies | oh jeez http://i.imgur.com/363vV1h.jpg |
| 07:34.27 | Mr_Rabies | why even |
| 07:35.49 | Mr_Rabies | also, is there a floating combat text addon that consolidates heals over the last second or so into one scrolling thing |
| 07:36.01 | Mr_Rabies | getting a bajillion small heals per second kind of ruins the point |
| 07:36.12 | Semlar | i've seen it before |
| 07:36.33 | Gethe | MSBT can do that |
| 07:36.47 | Mr_Rabies | that's the biggest source of spam on my screen right now |
| 07:37.39 | Mr_Rabies | also really wish i could turn off the first bar in dbm and only show the second bar, that's another source of spam |
| 07:37.42 | VIad | I use MSBT for ages, and it has a consolidation feature to avoid too much spam |
| 07:37.57 | VIad | Mr_Rabies: is that your UI? :P |
| 07:38.02 | Mr_Rabies | nah |
| 07:38.26 | Gethe | i would hope not D: |
| 07:38.30 | VIad | http://oi33.tinypic.com/2jb9jk0.jpg - trying to compete? :P |
| 07:39.11 | Semlar | how much of your screen do you really need to see |
| 07:39.25 | VIad | 100% of the screen |
| 07:41.04 | VIad | Semlar: you said screen, as the monitor :P not sure if it works if you are missing pieces :p |
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| 07:41.37 | Semlar | that's concrete thinking vlad |
| 07:41.48 | Mr_Rabies | i'll check MSBT out then |
| 07:42.00 | Mr_Rabies | i like that i can just use the default FCT |
| 07:42.15 | Mr_Rabies | but, the constant heals that are common nowadays make it rough |
| 07:42.16 | VIad | the default has no configuration options |
| 07:42.34 | VIad | besides when you aoe stuff you see 2000 over the head of 40 mobs - not very helpful either |
| 07:42.51 | VIad | might as well just group up he damage in one text swirling on your screen ;p |
| 07:42.56 | Mr_Rabies | does MSBT feed stuff through the built in FCT stuff, optionally at least? |
| 07:43.06 | VIad | nah doubt it |
| 07:43.11 | VIad | msbt pure cleu |
| 07:43.21 | Semlar | i don't even display my damage |
| 07:43.26 | VIad | FCT is the default scrolling text right? |
| 07:43.41 | VIad | it's options in msbt, can turn off a lot of things |
| 07:46.18 | Mr_Rabies | yup vlad |
| 07:47.58 | Mr_Rabies | there's my ui, basically, sans like anything for raiding so it's kinda useless lol http://i.imgur.com/obGGqxz.png |
| 07:48.02 | Mr_Rabies | always forget to take them during raids |
| 07:48.29 | VIad | I had a bar before |
| 07:48.39 | VIad | now that bar is on my bagnon when I open it :D |
| 07:48.51 | VIad | bars just take space :< no? |
| 07:49.00 | Mr_Rabies | what bar? |
| 07:49.05 | VIad | titan bar |
| 07:49.07 | VIad | top bar |
| 07:49.08 | Mr_Rabies | oh |
| 07:49.13 | Mr_Rabies | eh, not much space all told |
| 07:49.15 | VIad | forgot the name of the other iterations |
| 07:49.28 | Mr_Rabies | i use chocolatebar |
| 07:49.36 | VIad | I used it before myself, trust me I know why its lucrative :P |
| 07:49.44 | Mr_Rabies | i've cleared up enough space to use it and feel good about used real estate |
| 07:49.57 | Mr_Rabies | plus it's translucent, the background |
| 07:50.04 | Mr_Rabies | so i can see through it to the game world |
| 07:51.20 | Semlar | back in my day we only had a tenth of the screen real estate |
| 07:51.42 | VIad | :D |
| 07:52.58 | Semlar | AND WE WERE BETTER FOR IT |
| 07:53.09 | VIad | this is my beauty http://ss.bool.no/capture_1408866782.png |
| 07:53.19 | VIad | warning: definition may differ |
| 07:53.27 | Semlar | here's my raiding ui http://i.imgur.com/rvY5Afj.jpg |
| 07:53.34 | VIad | nice Semlar |
| 07:53.36 | VIad | beautiful |
| 07:54.08 | Semlar | that's an out of combat pick so things are a little more hectic once the fight starts |
| 07:54.35 | VIad | when I create new characters I copy paste my mains folder |
| 07:54.37 | Gethe | naturaly |
| 07:54.52 | Semlar | interface action failed because of an addon vlad |
| 07:55.37 | VIad | and those addons storing settings using the shared SV folder, instead of the personal SV folder per character, those i hate since they use your name and such to find your profile, so copy pasting won't help :p luckily they often use the profile system where you can copy the profile over |
| 07:55.43 | VIad | ow... |
| 07:55.49 | VIad | why did it fail? |
| 07:55.56 | VIad | I assumed you made a new character |
| 07:55.57 | Semlar | i don't know, it's in your screenshot |
| 07:56.00 | VIad | i.e. all is not configured |
| 07:56.10 | VIad | oh lol |
| 07:56.13 | VIad | that yes |
| 07:56.26 | VIad | it's the raid frame |
| 07:56.28 | VIad | I dont use it |
| 07:56.34 | VIad | but the built in compact raid frames complain :P |
| 07:56.57 | VIad | havent found out why, but since I dont use it I ignore it, happens once per session |
| 07:57.26 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/mn4bVZf.jpg here's an actual screenshot from wrath |
| 07:58.29 | Gethe | damn 10% wipe, that's rough :p |
| 07:58.42 | Semlar | nah that's when the fight stops and he kills the raid |
| 07:58.59 | Semlar | that was our first kill |
| 07:59.07 | Gethe | yeah i know sarcasm is hard |
| 08:00.03 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.01 | Gethe | wrath event? |
| 08:01.17 | Gethe | fun times |
| 08:01.24 | Semlar | braaains |
| 08:03.25 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.43 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure i only had like 10-12k health |
| 08:06.04 | Gethe | lol |
| 08:06.20 | Kleso | does anyone know if auctioneer prioritizes buyouts over bids? |
| 08:17.19 | Mr_Rabies | probably, but haven't used it myself in years, sorry :( |
| 08:17.32 | Mr_Rabies | bids are always a weird thing to tackle addon wise and are way more fluid in value\ |
| 08:19.37 | VIad | since we be linking tbc http://ss.bool.no/capture_1408868369.png |
| 08:21.41 | VIad | oh |
| 08:21.46 | VIad | you remember shamans had threat dump? :P |
| 08:21.50 | VIad | had almost forgot about it |
| 08:24.00 | VIad | those frames look nice too... |
| 08:24.13 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1408868649.png |
| 08:24.18 | VIad | I think those were agUF |
| 08:26.16 | VIad | lol I don't even http://ss.bool.no/capture_1408868766.png |
| 08:26.43 | VIad | wow this is 2008 :P |
| 08:26.46 | VIad | 6 years ago |
| 08:26.52 | Semlar | i see that wowuidev |
| 08:27.02 | VIad | tbh UI didnt look so terrible 6 years ago :P |
| 08:27.25 | VIad | oh yes back to 2005 - beautiful |
| 08:27.51 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1408868867.png |
| 08:27.53 | VIad | them days :D |
| 08:28.52 | VIad | half year later |
| 08:29.04 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1408868940.png |
| 08:29.06 | VIad | addon overloard :P |
| 08:29.09 | VIad | overload* |
| 08:29.16 | Mr_Rabies | when i tell my guildies i have... |
| 08:29.40 | Mr_Rabies | ~180 addons they flip their shit (according to ACP, which splits up modular ones, etc |
| 08:29.44 | VIad | :D |
| 08:29.50 | Mr_Rabies | gdi i never close brackets |
| 08:29.58 | Mr_Rabies | or parenthesis or anything |
| 08:30.41 | VIad | who else remembers the "slow dps until 90%" rule? :P |
| 08:30.53 | *** join/#wowuidev ZorbaBeta (tocohl@maximilian.pavlovian.net) |
| 08:31.08 | VIad | I guess it depends on fight too, but usually it was easiest to say "wait for 98%" or 95%, 90%, something like that. |
| 08:31.16 | Semlar | i'm a hunter i don't slow dps |
| 08:31.16 | VIad | like, what is threat anyway |
| 08:31.43 | VIad | hey I was a Knight in vanilla :D |
| 08:32.45 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 08:33.00 | Mr_Rabies | i still do that a bit, though not 90whatever percent |
| 08:33.11 | Mr_Rabies | i can't tell you how many bosses i've died to in the first second despite letting the tank pull |
| 08:33.13 | p3lim | I remember the double sunder rule |
| 08:33.27 | p3lim | wait for both tanks to get full stacks of sunder armor on trash before engaging |
| 08:33.37 | Mr_Rabies | i usually give our pally tank enough time to get about 2 autoattacks out before i go hog wild |
| 08:33.39 | p3lim | which could take quite a while back then |
| 08:33.43 | VIad | I remember them saying on vent "it's ok now" :p |
| 08:34.04 | Mr_Rabies | because feral has so much frontloaded burst threat/damage and no way to drop it |
| 08:34.17 | VIad | hmm |
| 08:34.23 | VIad | prowl was a thing wasnt it? |
| 08:34.24 | VIad | I meant |
| 08:34.27 | VIad | cower |
| 08:34.30 | VIad | the feint thing |
| 08:34.32 | Mr_Rabies | it was, yeah |
| 08:34.32 | Semlar | :| |
| 08:34.34 | VIad | all classes had a ability |
| 08:34.34 | Mr_Rabies | it sucked always |
| 08:34.37 | VIad | to drop threat :P |
| 08:34.38 | VIad | yeah ofc |
| 08:34.41 | Mr_Rabies | it never was any good |
| 08:34.46 | VIad | but we had a button to push to reduce our threat ;D |
| 08:34.53 | VIad | Fade was always OP |
| 08:35.05 | p3lim | remember when cower was a part of the standard dps rotation for cats |
| 08:35.13 | Mr_Rabies | the worst |
| 08:35.14 | Mr_Rabies | ever |
| 08:35.29 | Mr_Rabies | such a waste of energy but necessary to not die |
| 08:35.52 | VIad | shame wowhead has no snapshots of earlier expansions |
| 08:36.01 | Mr_Rabies | ravage is pretty much a guaranteed crit |
| 08:36.13 | Mr_Rabies | nowadays, so |
| 08:36.16 | Mr_Rabies | a lot of threat |
| 08:36.31 | p3lim | people use stealth openers as feral? |
| 08:36.42 | Semlar | i'm gonna be honest, in cataclysm i would shift into bear form to berserk |
| 08:36.48 | VIad | Semlar: :D |
| 08:36.50 | Mr_Rabies | yeah pelim, if i can |
| 08:36.52 | VIad | mangle was OP |
| 08:36.55 | Mr_Rabies | p3lim, rather |
| 08:36.56 | Semlar | don't be a bitch |
| 08:37.14 | p3lim | going bear for a mangle and a maul while waiting for energy to pool, that were the times :D |
| 08:37.17 | nevcairiel | Didn't they pretty much get rid of stealth openers in WoD |
| 08:37.25 | p3lim | s/that/those |
| 08:37.37 | nevcairiel | Other openers get a small bonus from stealth now iirc |
| 08:37.44 | Semlar | my cat still has prowl |
| 08:37.53 | Mr_Rabies | he meant cower |
| 08:37.54 | p3lim | they merged cat stealth spells into the normal spells |
| 08:38.22 | Mr_Rabies | ravage is a waste for some fights but for many it's a good option as long as you're not gonna get yourself killed |
| 08:38.31 | Mr_Rabies | it hits HARD |
| 08:38.31 | p3lim | and bear form for thrash was part of the aoe rotation for cats in 3.x :] |
| 08:38.33 | nevcairiel | I had a special stealth bar in bartender, and it always was pretty empty. :d |
| 08:38.55 | Mr_Rabies | i just use [stealth] macros |
| 08:39.01 | p3lim | used that too |
| 08:39.12 | p3lim | but I rarely went into stealth |
| 08:39.23 | Mr_Rabies | i use it a lot because why not for some fights |
| 08:39.24 | nevcairiel | I liked the separate bar to see the distinction clearly |
| 08:39.24 | p3lim | rogues are different though |
| 08:39.28 | Mr_Rabies | others you can't get close quickly enough |
| 08:39.37 | Mr_Rabies | actually wait yeah i have a seperate bar |
| 08:39.51 | Mr_Rabies | still use a couple [stealth] macros though |
| 08:40.00 | nevcairiel | Default UI doesn't give you one tho |
| 08:40.08 | nevcairiel | So most druids probably don't |
| 08:40.15 | p3lim | friend of mine thought that the game had stealth bars for feral |
| 08:40.32 | p3lim | he's been using dominos since forever :p |
| 08:40.47 | nevcairiel | Bartender also has it enabled by default |
| 08:40.52 | Mr_Rabies | actually no i don't, hmm |
| 08:41.27 | Mr_Rabies | how long is the faerie fire debuff in WoD? :o |
| 08:41.28 | nevcairiel | I haven't played feral for ages |
| 08:41.36 | nevcairiel | I wish we had a third spec |
| 08:41.51 | p3lim | feral as main spec for 7 years :] |
| 08:42.04 | nevcairiel | Dual just isn't enough for a class with 4 distinct roles |
| 08:42.04 | Mr_Rabies | since launch, basically |
| 08:42.13 | Mr_Rabies | except when i -had- to go resto to raid for a bit |
| 08:42.15 | p3lim | I played rogue the first two years |
| 08:42.26 | nevcairiel | I've been resto since launch |
| 08:42.49 | Mr_Rabies | is it bad that i -still- think of resto as the ezmode spec despite that not really being the case anymore |
| 08:42.56 | nevcairiel | Maybe the gear conversion in WoD will allow me to feral a bit more easily |
| 08:43.13 | nevcairiel | Always enjoyed it, but gear was such a pita |
| 08:43.19 | Mr_Rabies | i still kind of think of restos as druids that couldn't make the feral cut, even though that's not really valid |
| 08:43.23 | p3lim | if I ever were to start playing again I'd play rogue |
| 08:43.30 | Mr_Rabies | leveling a rogue |
| 08:43.34 | Mr_Rabies | they're pretty fun |
| 08:43.40 | nevcairiel | Its an entirely different style and role |
| 08:43.41 | p3lim | well I already have two rogues at 90 |
| 08:43.44 | Mr_Rabies | don't like that i -have- to use daggers though |
| 08:43.54 | nevcairiel | I never wanted to be feral main. :P |
| 08:44.17 | Mr_Rabies | combat is sooooo boring and that's the only one that i don't have to use daggers on |
| 08:44.35 | p3lim | indeed combat is boring |
| 08:44.54 | Mr_Rabies | don't really see why you couldn't at least use axes, swords, and daggers for other specs |
| 08:45.01 | Mr_Rabies | if not maces and fist weapons too |
| 08:45.15 | p3lim | subtlety used to be maces/fists |
| 08:45.25 | p3lim | before they introduced backstab to that spec |
| 08:45.31 | p3lim | hemo was their main ability |
| 08:45.54 | Mr_Rabies | /castsequence reset=combat,target,8,alt Rake, Shred, Shred, Faerie Fire, Shred is my secret shame macro |
| 08:45.58 | p3lim | combat was sword (or mace for pvp), then assassination for daggers |
| 08:46.03 | p3lim | wow |
| 08:46.11 | Mr_Rabies | i think the reset is broken context wise, though |
| 08:46.17 | Mr_Rabies | it gets a bit janky at times |
| 08:46.23 | p3lim | FF>Rake>Shredspam |
| 08:46.29 | Semlar | i'm going to have to make a fake aspect bar for my hunter on the beta |
| 08:46.36 | p3lim | you want that armor reduction early on |
| 08:46.54 | Mr_Rabies | eh, it's a tradeoff |
| 08:47.16 | Mr_Rabies | you're wasting energy if you're not using it immediately |
| 08:47.41 | p3lim | I think I used to shred as an opener to get the regen going |
| 08:47.54 | p3lim | haven't raided in over a year, can't really recall |
| 08:47.55 | nevcairiel | Semlar: for the one aspect left? |
| 08:48.03 | p3lim | nevcairiel: 3 :D |
| 08:48.04 | Semlar | there are 3 aspects |
| 08:48.08 | Mr_Rabies | i use rake to get it going and make refreshing it easier |
| 08:48.14 | p3lim | cheetah, pack and fox? |
| 08:48.16 | Semlar | and yes i'd probably have to make one even if cheetah were the only one we had |
| 08:48.34 | Mr_Rabies | shred is a small part of my total damage nowadays anyway |
| 08:48.39 | Mr_Rabies | best to make sure rake's up |
| 08:48.40 | Semlar | i'm used to using the F keys to shift aspects |
| 08:49.02 | nevcairiel | Well just rebind to a normal bar |
| 08:49.06 | nevcairiel | No trouble |
| 08:49.10 | Mr_Rabies | my damage is typically rip, autoattack, rake, shred, in order |
| 08:49.12 | p3lim | alt+# for aspects |
| 08:49.21 | Semlar | yeah but now i have to rebind the action bar to the F keys |
| 08:49.45 | Semlar | so if i used the same hotkeys across characters |
| 08:49.57 | Mr_Rabies | make a opie ring with bindings maybe? |
| 08:49.59 | Semlar | the buttons that would normally shift between stances aren't going to be bound to that bar |
| 08:50.03 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno |
| 08:50.21 | Mr_Rabies | since you won't have stances as hunter, it should work, right? |
| 08:50.56 | Semlar | i could make a fake stance bar that overrides the stance hotkeys just for my hunter |
| 08:51.12 | Mr_Rabies | i know to you making a fake one is probably as easy if not easier than making an opie ring |
| 08:51.21 | Mr_Rabies | but us plebs think of solutions for ourselves :p |
| 08:51.32 | p3lim | plebs? where? |
| 08:51.38 | Mr_Rabies | <- |
| 08:51.47 | p3lim | oh |
| 08:52.09 | Mr_Rabies | also i totally see why hardly anyone makes buff bars anymore |
| 08:52.16 | Mr_Rabies | buff addons in general |
| 08:52.22 | nevcairiel | Semlar: character specific bindings |
| 08:52.31 | Semlar | yes, i know i can set character specific bindings |
| 08:52.35 | p3lim | nevcairiel: that would be too crazy |
| 08:52.41 | Semlar | but i want to use the same bindings across my characters |
| 08:52.45 | Mr_Rabies | installed one and realized you can't cancel buffs in combat with them, gotta bind something to opening the default frame |
| 08:52.56 | nevcairiel | Mr_Rabies: because blizzard broke it |
| 08:52.57 | p3lim | Mr_Rabies: sure you can |
| 08:53.04 | p3lim | nevcairiel: changed it* |
| 08:53.15 | Mr_Rabies | can you? |
| 08:53.22 | p3lim | mine does |
| 08:53.22 | nevcairiel | *severely limited it beyond usefulness |
| 08:53.26 | p3lim | sure |
| 08:53.31 | Mr_Rabies | the one i had was like "gotta open a protected frame with the default buff frame in it to work" |
| 08:53.52 | nevcairiel | You can't really do anything but visuals to the buffs |
| 08:53.56 | p3lim | mine works fine, I just can't filter or sort the way I'd prefer to |
| 08:54.10 | nevcairiel | Somewhat like raid frames |
| 08:54.31 | p3lim | the aura header spec is so old too |
| 08:54.33 | nevcairiel | You can tell.then how to look, but blizzard decides how they move, appear, sort |
| 08:54.36 | p3lim | they should really do something about it |
| 08:54.48 | Mr_Rabies | i wish the default frames just let you set how wide the buff frame was |
| 08:54.52 | nevcairiel | Its newer than the raid headers, isn't it |
| 08:54.55 | Mr_Rabies | you can with a cvar, as semlar instructed me |
| 08:55.01 | Mr_Rabies | but it taints EVERYTHING when you do |
| 08:55.11 | p3lim | nevcairiel: raid headers have been updated most recently |
| 08:55.22 | Semlar | well they wouldn't want you being able to cancel just any buff you want, that would be crazy |
| 08:55.25 | p3lim | aura headers got made then never touched since afaik |
| 08:55.39 | nevcairiel | I just move and tweak the default buffs a bit, got used to it now |
| 08:55.55 | Mr_Rabies | the default buffs stacking at 8 means weird things happen when it stacks to 2 lines |
| 08:55.58 | p3lim | Semlar: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15227-AntiHawk.html |
| 08:56.03 | Mr_Rabies | like debuffs move to a different spot |
| 08:56.05 | Semlar | i think it's insane that cancel aura is locked down as much as action bars |
| 08:56.28 | Semlar | WHAT AM I GOING TO EXPLOIT |
| 08:56.29 | nevcairiel | They don't want automation |
| 08:56.30 | Semlar | CANCELING MY BUFFS? |
| 08:56.37 | nevcairiel | Of any sort |
| 08:56.51 | nevcairiel | Probably an arena thing |
| 08:57.17 | p3lim | you could tie cancelling a specific buff by using a custom filter, and have it cancel on movement |
| 08:57.38 | p3lim | well, would |
| 08:57.42 | Semlar | i don't mean automatically canceling a buff with the api |
| 08:57.43 | p3lim | if they had let us filter |
| 08:57.53 | Semlar | but the fact that you can't SORT the buffs yourself |
| 08:58.02 | Semlar | without making it so you can't click them off |
| 08:58.10 | Semlar | doesn't make any sense |
| 08:58.15 | nevcairiel | That's just because the frames need to remain secure |
| 08:58.19 | p3lim | limitation of the button template tho |
| 08:58.33 | p3lim | not the aura header's fault |
| 08:58.51 | p3lim | but they could let us provide a custom sort function |
| 08:59.03 | p3lim | I see no reason why that would be considered exploitable |
| 08:59.44 | nevcairiel | Leave it to foxlit to find a way to use that |
| 08:59.51 | Mr_Rabies | really just wish i could go to 12 buffs per line without breaking EVERYTHING |
| 09:00.25 | Mr_Rabies | it really should be a setting that's locked down in combat or something |
| 09:00.57 | p3lim | actually, the time sort method they provide is fine |
| 09:01.15 | p3lim | except that it considers auras to have a lower duration than spells |
| 09:01.30 | p3lim | which is ludicrous! |
| 09:01.52 | nevcairiel | I don't really look at my buffs in combat anyway, got other notifications about stuff I need to know about |
| 09:02.12 | nevcairiel | And auras vanish in consolidated |
| 09:02.25 | Mr_Rabies | i do, because of savage roar mostly |
| 09:02.27 | p3lim | not all auras |
| 09:02.35 | p3lim | only the ones considered consolidatable |
| 09:02.40 | Mr_Rabies | i had a weakaura setup to help watch it but it got distracting |
| 09:02.42 | p3lim | (if that's even a word) |
| 09:02.58 | p3lim | anyways, I'm off |
| 09:03.02 | nevcairiel | All those that provide basic combat buffs |
| 09:03.18 | nevcairiel | If you have run aura from hunter, then sure that shows up |
| 09:03.46 | *** join/#wowuidev Yoshimo (~Miranda@unaffiliated/yoshimo) |
| 09:04.05 | nevcairiel | When I played cat last I had a WA thing for roar, that worked fine for me |
| 09:04.42 | nevcairiel | But everyone is different! |
| 09:04.50 | Mr_Rabies | mine was dual lightning bolts that faded slowly with time left so |
| 09:04.52 | Mr_Rabies | maybe that was it |
| 09:05.04 | nevcairiel | Too obvious huh |
| 09:05.22 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really mind glancing |
| 09:05.44 | Mr_Rabies | it's like my chinese cartoon subtitles, you get used to reading it in periphery eventually |
| 09:05.59 | Mr_Rabies | except when it jumps from line 1 to line 2 awkardly |
| 09:08.06 | Semlar | oh my god how did i miss this change |
| 09:08.15 | Semlar | they added a glyph to make your pet FD when you cast it |
| 09:09.34 | Semlar | so maybe it won't hang around for 30 seconds after i FD ensuring the boss has ample time to kill me with incidental attacks |
| 09:11.33 | Mr_Rabies | i'm gonna miss play dead being given back to use and rudely removed one expansion later :( |
| 09:11.39 | Mr_Rabies | back to us* |
| 09:12.04 | Mr_Rabies | i love symbiosis but i think everyone knew it was gone when it was added, i'm just surprised it lasted the whole expansion |
| 09:13.45 | *** join/#wowuidev g0urra (~g0urra@unaffiliated/gourra) |
| 09:26.39 | zenzelezz | so, one thing I haven't understood about this ice bucket challenge thing... how does pouring cold water on yourself help ALS? Are people who watch the videos supposed to go "wow, clearly this is a cause worth putting money into"? |
| 09:27.02 | Semlar | it's to raise awareness |
| 09:27.50 | Semlar | the more people who know about the situation the more opportunities for donations |
| 09:28.00 | Semlar | because it's not a profitable disease to treat |
| 09:28.13 | zenzelezz | I suppose it would help if more than 1/10 people doing the challenge actually mentioned ALS |
| 09:29.11 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: they've raised more the last month than whole last year, so it seems to be working :P |
| 09:30.05 | Maldivia | (althouh I really liked Patrick Stewart's version of it) |
| 09:31.05 | zenzelezz | Maldivia: not going to argue that, I just get the feeling that a lot of the people doing the challenge either don't know about the ALS aspect, or don't care |
| 09:32.08 | Maldivia | yeah, it went a bit from being a donation/awareness skit, to just a dare |
| 09:32.55 | Maldivia | ok, in the two first weeks of august, the ALS association raised $2.3 million... last year, same period, $25000 |
| 09:33.34 | zenzelezz | as for Patrick Stewart, I find most of what he does is good |
| 09:34.51 | Maldivia | hmm, ok, above numbers was from an article, according to ALS's site, they differ |
| 09:35.39 | Mr_Rabies | >google "bologna" |
| 09:35.48 | Mr_Rabies | >first suggestion is "bologna cake" |
| 09:35.50 | Mr_Rabies | nope |
| 09:35.52 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 09:36.23 | Maldivia | according to the ALS site, $62.5 million have been donated from July 29th to August 23rd... |
| 09:36.26 | VIad | let's talk about zoe quinn or something - what's your oppinion? |
| 09:36.36 | Semlar | who |
| 09:36.57 | VIad | google |
| 09:37.03 | VIad | it's a controvesy going around |
| 09:37.09 | Semlar | don't care |
| 09:37.30 | VIad | in short: accused of sleeping with people that have certain positions for self gain and publicity |
| 09:37.30 | zenzelezz | VIad: you first, since you seem to want to discuss |
| 09:37.57 | Semlar | well, whatever works |
| 09:38.24 | Semlar | man i wish i could sleep my way to the top |
| 09:38.34 | Maldivia | well, there's a reason the term "casting couch" exists |
| 09:38.55 | zenzelezz | I thought that was just for porn |
| 09:38.58 | VIad | zenzelezz: I believe that she has been manipulating people so I'm fine from where I am :p |
| 09:39.58 | zenzelezz | VIad: I was more aiming at how you like to start discussions by just presenting a topic, but not offering your own opinion until after others do |
| 09:40.10 | VIad | hmm |
| 09:41.45 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: well, it originated in hollywood, so |
| 09:43.14 | VIad | wiki requires reliable sources, but in their eyes news organizations are reliable sources, so what happens when the news is biased and portray reality through their shades? them someone writes about it on wiki and has sources, so it's fine |
| 09:43.30 | Semlar | WHEN the news is biased? |
| 09:43.42 | Semlar | have you ever SEEN the news |
| 09:46.35 | VIad | not sure if you are joking |
| 09:47.52 | Semlar | you couldn't pay me to watch the crap they put on the news stations |
| 09:47.52 | VIad | I'm not saying everything is lies. Bias is anything from an article written from your own POV without consideration of the other sides POV, leaving out a sentence from quotes, e.g. many ways to bias. |
| 09:49.06 | VIad | most often parties "donate" to papers so the writers can't just write and publish anything, unless they want to perhaps loose those donations, so instead they keep away certain topics or make certain topics look good in favor of who ever is financially assisting their paper :p |
| 09:50.01 | VIad | I see it as a giant 'I rub you, you rub me' and are unsure how many journalists are really journalists these days - considering journalism morale and ethics and all that idealism |
| 09:50.39 | Semlar | it's a business, they're going to do whatever makes them money |
| 09:50.42 | VIad | the zoe quinn case is if you ask me a mainstream bias; other papers report what others report to avoid speaking against the mainstream and hurting people :P |
| 09:50.48 | VIad | journalism wasnt like this 50 years ago |
| 09:50.54 | VIad | so I read :P |
| 09:50.55 | Semlar | how do you know |
| 09:51.28 | Mr_Rabies | journalism has always been a liar's den altogether, not that there aren't journalists with integrity |
| 09:51.32 | Semlar | you think people weren't biased in the 60s? |
| 09:51.53 | Semlar | i'm not sure anyone can ever be truly unbiased about anything |
| 09:52.09 | Semlar | but that's more of a philosophical discussion |
| 09:52.20 | Mr_Rabies | they've just always been hiding their corruption in the past before the world of almost limitless instant information |
| 09:52.42 | Mr_Rabies | better hiding it, rather |
| 09:52.59 | VIad | I think there were more journalists back then with more backbone and less prone to corruption, than now, maybe... :P |
| 09:53.31 | Mr_Rabies | "Yellow Journalism" has been a term since at least 1900 |
| 09:53.50 | Mr_Rabies | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism |
| 09:53.58 | VIad | if everything is biased what is really the truth of everything? |
| 09:54.08 | VIad | all history is strickly biased |
| 09:54.12 | Semlar | well now |
| 09:54.21 | Semlar | there's a question |
| 09:54.31 | VIad | soviet wrote their books putting the west in a bad light, so did the west, for instance :P |
| 09:54.49 | VIad | I am sure stuff from the even older ages is biased too. |
| 09:55.01 | VIad | all those kings from the 1700 and before, lol |
| 09:55.06 | VIad | "write this or you die" |
| 09:55.16 | Mr_Rabies | yup, lying's not new |
| 09:55.27 | Mr_Rabies | it's just we live in a world with much easier fact checking, etc |
| 09:55.29 | VIad | I wonder how the real royal families were in the past without their beautifying shades |
| 09:55.39 | VIad | but fact checking is faulty too |
| 09:55.47 | VIad | where we go to check, who wrote that? |
| 09:55.54 | VIad | what if the facts are wrong but we accept them as facts |
| 09:55.56 | VIad | done - bias :P |
| 09:56.10 | VIad | everyone now spews what they read as the truth, hating on those that say otherwise |
| 09:56.19 | Semlar | that's an overgeneralization |
| 09:56.46 | Semlar | maybe everyone you associate with |
| 09:56.56 | VIad | heck even among friends, if I say something based on my past experiences, having parents from a totally different country and all, they disregard me as not knowing the facts right :P |
| 09:57.07 | Mr_Rabies | fact is basically just "accepted as truth without anything to reasonably doubt it" |
| 09:57.15 | VIad | because what we learned in norwegian schools is the ultimate truth and nothing more :p |
| 09:57.27 | Semlar | yeah, fact is the "generally accepted truth" |
| 09:57.58 | Mr_Rabies | the only beings that could know the absolute truth aren't on this plane of existence, at least |
| 09:58.14 | VIad | in norway we have the NTB that basically is the source for most other news outlets |
| 09:58.26 | VIad | if you wanna change the facts, simply own NTB and have fun :P |
| 09:58.39 | VIad | wonder who NTB gets their facts from though... |
| 09:59.01 | Mr_Rabies | for some reason i was thinking you were russian or something vlad |
| 09:59.15 | Mr_Rabies | maybe eastern bloc of some sort, guess it's just the name |
| 09:59.27 | Semlar | what, they can't impale people in norwegia? |
| 09:59.29 | VIad | strickly speaking I moved to norway when I was 6 or something |
| 09:59.40 | VIad | kept my native name as alias for the net, it's cool |
| 10:02.20 | Mr_Rabies | my online handle is in honor of the squirrel that i kept in my right lung, according to middle school tall tales |
| 10:02.32 | VIad | I'm usually not too fixated on what I read. If they say "this happened" I say okay, but I won't be surprised if that wasn't entirely the truth. I think many can be very, religious, regarding changing oppinions :p |
| 10:03.41 | VIad | I think we should all strive to be open about what we hear, giving it a chance. |
| 10:04.58 | Semlar | hm, i just assume it's all lies and ignore all of it |
| 10:07.26 | Mr_Rabies | this is the only universal truth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygr5AHufBN4 |
| 10:08.14 | Semlar | i reject your reality and substitute my own |
| 10:08.19 | VIad | :D |
| 10:22.12 | VIad | The Debt Limit Explained https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIbkoop4AYE |
| 10:37.04 | Mr_Rabies | ok going to bed enjoy this in the meantime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTn0hRqiM8Q nsfw because of language and possibly because of other content |
| 10:38.43 | Torhal | gives VIad a bunch of guns, ammunition, and a bunker. |
| 10:38.50 | VIad | thanks! |
| 10:39.21 | Torhal | I forgot the tinfoil hat. |
| 10:42.32 | VIad | The Problems wih First Past the Post Voting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo |
| 10:42.39 | VIad | I enjoy these videos. :P |
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| 11:42.24 | foxlit | nevcairiel: [08:59:40] Leave it to foxlit to find a way to use that << You called? |
| 11:44.28 | foxlit | Having by-name filtering or custom sorting functions likely makes it possible to detect specific procs, which affects too many rotations (cast X if Y is up, Z otherwise...) |
| 11:46.30 | karl_w_w | VIad, you know what they call a voting system without problems? |
| 11:46.38 | VIad | what? |
| 11:46.40 | karl_w_w | a dictatorship |
| 11:46.46 | VIad | hehe |
| 11:47.04 | VIad | well the guiy has more videos about voting, he has a pretty fair one, the MMP |
| 11:47.20 | VIad | at least it fixed a lot of issues with the standard FPTP or AV |
| 11:47.29 | VIad | don't need to be perfect |
| 11:47.36 | VIad | just need a better system than we already got |
| 11:47.43 | VIad | this way we will keep making it better with each iteration |
| 11:48.02 | VIad | in the end it will be, probably not perfect, but at least going in the right direction |
| 11:48.19 | VIad | I mean, first step is to recognize the problems, then you plan and fix them. |
| 11:48.30 | VIad | Not sure what is being done to fix this, for instance in the states. |
| 11:53.18 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 11:53.54 | foxlit | ã¯ã? |
| 11:55.49 | Semlar | HAI |
| 12:00.19 | Fisker | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 12:00.56 | karl_w_w | we have that alternative vote system in australia, VIad |
| 12:01.10 | karl_w_w | it's not all that good |
| 12:01.15 | VIad | problem was it was still suseptible to garrymongering |
| 12:01.33 | VIad | *gerrymandering* |
| 12:01.34 | VIad | :P |
| 12:01.45 | karl_w_w | garry would be pleased :P |
| 12:01.50 | VIad | idd |
| 12:02.06 | Fisker | I like MMP |
| 12:02.29 | Fisker | But I think AV is mostly mean as like a quick bandaid fix |
| 12:02.34 | Fisker | meant* |
| 12:02.37 | karl_w_w | one of the problems with it is the parties make deals to exchange preferences |
| 12:03.29 | Fisker | Problem is pretty much either way we choose, it will end up corrupt anyway |
| 12:03.49 | Fisker | Maybe there needs to be like a failsafe that can be triggered |
| 12:04.11 | karl_w_w | each party puts out a 'how to vote' guide on which order they want their followers to vote in |
| 12:05.56 | karl_w_w | in the house of representatives it's up to voters to put them in order, but for the senate people can vote simply for the party and let the party decide their preferences (there are 50+ candidates for the senate so it would be unreasonable to expect everyone to fill them all out)) |
| 12:06.16 | karl_w_w | so you end up with the parties deciding who gets in |
| 12:07.35 | karl_w_w | and another problem is with preference flows, sometimes there is a knock-on effect where somebody can get 1% of the primary vote (people who voted them as first preference) but they still get enough of the minor party preferences to get elected |
| 12:08.39 | karl_w_w | the senate vote is immune to gerrymandering though, by simple fact that it's a state-wide vote, which is why there are so many candidates |
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| 12:34.14 | karl_w_w | so a man walks into a bar and says "I want to order ten times more drinks than everyone else!" |
| 12:34.28 | karl_w_w | the barman says "now that is an order of magnitude" |
| 12:42.46 | Cairenn | badaboom tish |
| 12:55.50 | Fisker | A hunter walks into a bar and there's no counter |
| 12:56.35 | Maldivia | two guys walk in a bar, the third one ducks |
| 12:57.21 | Fisker | What about the fourth? |
| 13:20.50 | Torhal | The fourth is the bar, Fisker. |
| 13:20.55 | Fisker | You're a bar Torhal |
| 13:21.02 | Torhal | Bar none. |
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| 14:13.53 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/oOJXfe1 |
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| 14:33.36 | karl_w_w | why are you so violent mikma |
| 14:47.26 | mikma | karl_w_w: because hitler |
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| 15:02.01 | karl_w_w | makes sense |
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| 15:16.52 | pompy | ut oh hopefully unkle is ok |
| 15:16.56 | pompy | http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Magnitude-6-0-earthquake-reported-in-Napa-County-5708791.php |
| 15:20.17 | Fisker | only unkle? |
| 15:21.39 | Torhal | Fisker: Monkeysphere. |
| 15:21.51 | Fisker | Torhal: Apesquare |
| 15:22.04 | Torhal | I was explaining pompy. |
| 15:22.31 | Fisker | I wasn't |
| 15:22.37 | Torhal | I'm aware. |
| 15:22.45 | Torhal | We should do this more often. |
| 15:23.23 | Fisker | yes |
| 15:23.27 | Fisker | your place or mine? |
| 15:24.21 | Torhal | We should gatecrash at pompy's. |
| 15:25.52 | Fisker | Ok |
| 15:25.55 | Fisker | When? |
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| 15:28.22 | Torhal | When can you get to New Jersey> |
| 15:28.23 | Torhal | ? |
| 15:29.10 | Fisker | probably never |
| 15:29.40 | nevcairiel | With new jersey that's the best time to go |
| 15:29.58 | Fisker | I heard |
| 15:30.15 | Fisker | Detroit is similar I heard but at least they're getting a robocop statue |
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| 16:24.59 | Industrial | Is there an addon that warns you when you loot an item that is an upgrade according to weigts (say one configured per spec) and allows you to equip it with a click? |
| 16:25.29 | nevcairiel | What was the name |
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| 16:25.39 | nevcairiel | I saw it just recently |
| 16:25.55 | fewyn | i think i've seen an addon like it recently too |
| 16:26.00 | fewyn | i can't remember the name tho |
| 16:26.19 | fewyn | i know pawn does stat weights but i don't think it has an equip button |
| 17:07.00 | mikma | industrial: zygor's guide ;) |
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| 17:31.44 | Shirik | https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10410753_334858146689128_4088011873519595696_n.jpg?oh=62853e98a5da21ff10b5ebfd02f21e4c&oe=548168C0&__gda__=1416265848_b55bd7e370ebf0740e600a46e33454b5 |
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| 17:34.27 | nevcairiel | evil |
| 17:36.52 | mikma | shirik: touché |
| 17:40.56 | Shirik | I think I need a new printer :( |
| 17:57.38 | zenzelezz | don't you have printers at work? |
| 17:57.45 | zenzelezz | I've not owned one for years |
| 17:59.38 | karl_w_w | i thought we lived in the digital age |
| 17:59.53 | karl_w_w | what would you need a printer for |
| 18:08.32 | kd3 | ooh, it hurts just looking at this: http://imgur.com/gallery/DX7vrvD |
| 18:09.08 | karl_w_w | wow this doritos flavour is amazing |
| 18:09.11 | karl_w_w | mexicana |
| 18:13.13 | nevcairiel | kd3: one would think you would build prepared in earthquake country |
| 18:13.22 | nevcairiel | Buy probably drank too much wine |
| 18:13.32 | nevcairiel | But* |
| 18:15.01 | Thunder_Child | Yea, SF just got slammed by a 6.1 |
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| 18:17.04 | Thunder_Child | Which means Unkle and Iriel should have felt it. |
| 18:21.38 | Mr_Rabies | <karl_w_w> wow this doritos flavour is amazing |
| 18:21.41 | Mr_Rabies | Geoff Keighley spotted |
| 18:24.07 | Alram | looking forward to seeing him at blizzcon |
| 18:27.40 | Fisker | does he have the exclusive scoop on counter-strike 4? |
| 18:27.46 | Fisker | or world of warcraft 3? |
| 18:32.33 | Alram | the final hours of warcraft 4 |
| 18:32.41 | Alram | poor guy |
| 18:32.52 | Alram | when he's not doing anything he seems like a nice guy |
| 18:34.33 | karl_w_w | who's geoff keighley Mr_Rabies? |
| 18:35.38 | Alram | the guy that hosts blizzcon |
| 18:35.40 | Alram | and other things |
| 18:35.54 | Alram | also known as doritos king |
| 18:41.02 | Mr_Rabies | doritos pope* |
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| 18:47.22 | Alram | ive heard both |
| 18:55.42 | Torhal | Alram: Don't make me type /rl in IRC. |
| 18:55.45 | Torhal | I'll do it. |
| 18:59.41 | Alram | is it short for /releasehalflife3 |
| 19:00.49 | Torhal | Alram: We'll go with that. |
| 19:00.58 | Alram | cool |
| 19:02.21 | zenzelezz | all the Half-Life 3 memes got tired over 9000 years ago |
| 19:04.59 | Thunder_Child | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 19:04.59 | purl | teaches zenzelezz that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
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| 19:21.38 | Alram | zenzelezz, respectfully disagree |
| 19:32.33 | Torhal | Alram: Disrespectfully agree. |
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| 19:45.25 | Gethe | Torhal: Respectfully agree |
| 19:46.20 | Torhal | I don't wanna, Gethe. |
| 19:46.38 | Gethe | to bad |
| 19:46.50 | Torhal | o.O |
| 19:47.10 | Gethe | ;) |
| 20:07.27 | Semlar | neffi an elite wolf meleed me for twice my helf |
| 20:09.08 | kd3 | the ones in frostfire? |
| 20:09.10 | kd3 | yah, stay well clear |
| 20:09.12 | Semlar | yesss |
| 20:09.18 | Semlar | how could you possibly survive that |
| 20:09.27 | Semlar | tanks don't have that much mitigation do they? |
| 20:10.14 | Semlar | there's a named wolf in the pack too that seems like it should be marked as a rare |
| 20:10.52 | Semlar | http://wod.wowhead.com/npc=81001 |
| 20:11.49 | Semlar | maybe i'm just used to every other mob i come across being a rare |
| 20:12.49 | Semlar | kd3: do you know what floor the shamanstone is on in the bladespire fortress |
| 20:14.04 | kd3 | you have to complete the siege for it to unlock |
| 20:14.25 | Semlar | it's phased? |
| 20:14.33 | Semlar | or you can't get to the area |
| 20:14.40 | kd3 | phased, it's on the main floor, next to where durotan's throne is |
| 20:14.50 | Semlar | that explains a lot |
| 20:15.08 | kd3 | roughly 43.1,41.4 on the main floor |
| 20:16.20 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Shamanstone#Notes |
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| 20:16.41 | Semlar | the speed boost from posthaste breaks camouflage when you land after disengaging |
| 20:18.21 | Semlar | i'm writing notes for these rares because even when i know where they are on the map it's not immediately obvious how to get to them |
| 20:20.49 | Maldivia | I like the toad in SMV, that you have to jump the waterfall to get to |
| 20:20.52 | foxlit | ooh, ooh, maybe you can add some quest progression notes as well! |
| 20:22.03 | foxlit | No, wait, I just remebered questing in beta. That's a terrible idea, nevermind. |
| 20:25.06 | Semlar | the instance server crashed so i was able to get to cindermaw before someone broke him |
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| 21:14.14 | Neffi | Semlar: I reached a new level of hungover. D: |
| 21:14.50 | Semlar | walk it off neffi |
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| 21:15.16 | Neffi | when I woke up a few hous ago I couldn't walk. I was still too wasted. heh |
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| 21:16.58 | Semlar | neffi what does (0<AMâ
AB<ABâ
AB)â§(0<AMâ
AD<ADâ
AD) mean |
| 21:17.12 | Semlar | this looks like math |
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| 21:19.32 | Neffi | no math is the one with numbers. that has letters so it's probably english |
| 21:22.36 | Semlar | hm |
| 21:22.59 | Semlar | well i did fail english |
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| 21:23.44 | Torhal | s/english// |
| 21:23.52 | Semlar | how dare you |
| 21:24.03 | Torhal | Via typing. That's how. |
| 21:24.18 | Semlar | why so literal |
| 21:24.41 | Torhal | I didn't want to be figurative like Neffi. |
| 21:25.08 | Torhal | He's so trashed we're a figment of his imagination. |
| 21:25.13 | Neffi | i think torhal's trying to say I have a nice figure |
| 21:25.14 | Semlar | neffi does have a nice figure |
| 21:25.23 | Semlar | high five neffi |
| 21:25.29 | Neffi | high fives Semlar |
| 21:25.35 | Torhal | You two. Always with the mind sex. |
| 21:25.54 | Semlar | you wish you could have our level of social intercourse |
| 21:26.23 | Torhal | I'd have to wear a tinfoil hat so I didn't catch something. |
| 21:27.06 | Semlar | alright what do i do if i can't understand the simple.wikipedia page |
| 21:27.19 | Torhal | Math. |
| 21:27.32 | Semlar | not even once |
| 21:27.54 | Neffi | try the non-simple |
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| 21:29.35 | Semlar | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_%28mathematics_and_physics%29 neffi.. |
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| 21:34.12 | Semlar | http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot_product :| |
| 21:35.30 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 21:51.55 | foxlit | Semlar: alright what do i do if i can't understand [math] << Reconsider your life choices. |
| 21:52.22 | Semlar | the answer was look up a programming solution on google |
| 21:52.36 | Semlar | because that i can understand |
| 21:52.48 | foxlit | Considering you didn't ask a meaningful question, I'm surprised there even was an answer. |
| 21:52.57 | foxlit | It could've been "42." |
| 21:53.28 | Semlar | i was looking for a point in polygon formula, the solution was given in math terms' |
| 21:54.26 | Semlar | actually the solution was quite literally given in the format of (0<AMâ
AB<ABâ
AB)â§(0<AMâ
AD<ADâ
AD) |
| 21:54.37 | Semlar | which no explanation as to what that means |
| 21:56.03 | Semlar | so i went to look it up on wikipedia and got more math |
| 21:56.43 | foxlit | Did this come with a picture depicting a rectangle with corners ABD and a point M? |
| 21:57.34 | Semlar | http://math.stackexchange.com/a/190373 |
| 21:58.57 | plaw | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvyeQg0IQAAnwJr.jpg:large |
| 21:59.00 | Semlar | i mean, i'm sure it makes sense if you already know the answer |
| 22:07.03 | foxlit | makes sense as in "what" or "why"? :) |
| 22:10.22 | p3lim | hrm, if I click a button with this attribute, it works, but if I hold any modifier it doesn't do the /click part :s :SetAttribute('macrotext', '/cast Pick Lock\n/click ContainerFrame1Item13') |
| 22:11.09 | foxlit | Why do you think it doesn't do the /click part, p3lim? |
| 22:11.39 | p3lim | if I knew I wouldn't be asking |
| 22:11.57 | foxlit | that's not what I'm asking |
| 22:12.15 | foxlit | "How do you know it doesn't do the /click part, p3lim?" might've been a less ambigious wording. |
| 22:12.50 | p3lim | if I don't hold down a modifier it actually casts and clicks on the item in the bag, if I don't, I sit there with the spell on my cursor |
| 22:13.13 | foxlit | Try ContainerFrame1Item13:HookScript("OnClick", print). |
| 22:13.21 | Neffi | the modifier is probably propagating to the click handler |
| 22:13.33 | Neffi | so when /click is run, it thinks it's a shift-click (for instance) |
| 22:14.16 | p3lim | oh |
| 22:15.37 | Neffi | have you tried to see if it works when you /use the item instead of /click it? |
| 22:15.55 | p3lim | gonna use it in the tradeframe so I can't use /use |
| 22:16.38 | p3lim | and if I were to do this in the bag I'd use the spell type attribute and set 'target-bag' and 'target-slot' to completely pass the click handlers |
| 22:16.48 | Neffi | ah. well, my solution was just to bind Pick Lock to one of the unimportant buttons on my mouse. ;) |
| 22:17.08 | p3lim | only have 5 buttons, they are all kind of important :p |
| 22:26.10 | p3lim | this works :D :SetAttribute('macrotext', '/cast Pick Lock\n/run ClickTargetTradeButton(7)') |
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| 23:58.48 | Shirik | Wobin__: your missing comma is very disconcerting |
