| 00:00.54 | Neffi | every time "hmm this would be cool/desired, I should do it" "nope, already done" |
| 00:02.02 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.54 | Neffi | that's what you were talking about yesterday? |
| 00:03.03 | Semlar | yeah but black isn't going to work out |
| 00:03.16 | Neffi | yeah, I was gonna say it looks great but the arrow needs to be more vivid |
| 00:03.38 | Neffi | the animation in the center, and the fact that it's faded instead of clipped, is awesome |
| 00:04.09 | Semlar | it's kind of hard to mask a square model in a round frame |
| 00:04.39 | Neffi | so I'm guessing you used a circular fade texture? |
| 00:05.03 | Semlar | a fairly thick black gradient to cut off the corners |
| 00:05.07 | Neffi | well, I really like it! |
| 00:05.33 | Semlar | i want to have sort of a compass design with an arrow that spins around the edge |
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| 00:06.29 | Neffi | I would say use a short, stubbier arrow |
| 00:06.34 | Neffi | see: the Volvo logo |
| 00:10.59 | TC-Work | Just use the model as the directional pointer. |
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| 00:12.54 | Semlar | i could put the arrow inside the circle since i have to cover up so much of the model with a border |
| 00:13.07 | Semlar | that would solve the contrast problem |
| 00:17.08 | Mr_Rabies | urgh |
| 00:17.17 | Mr_Rabies | 400g per primal diamond |
| 00:18.02 | TC-Work | Semlar: The only downside about putting it on the border is that it couldn't grow/shrink to show distance. |
| 00:18.35 | Semlar | i'll probably put the yards at the bottom |
| 00:18.57 | TC-Work | Visual is faster |
| 00:19.07 | TC-Work | Maybe red to green |
| 00:50.41 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.04 | Semlar | does that look alright |
| 00:51.43 | jleclanche | https://i.imgur.com/gKylQJr.jpg oh god that is adorable |
| 00:52.10 | Neffi | is there anything more satisfying than having exactly N stacks of something to sell? |
| 00:52.26 | Neffi | Semlar: looks alright. I wanna try it out! |
| 00:52.45 | Neffi | does it work on live? |
| 00:52.49 | Semlar | no |
| 00:53.06 | Neffi | :( |
| 00:53.10 | Semlar | well, it might work briefly after a server restart |
| 00:53.20 | TC-Work | Spill more coffee |
| 00:53.53 | Neffi | no! |
| 00:57.08 | Neffi | Ladies and gentlemen, the idiot award for this week goes to http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/08/woman-allegedly-steals-phone-calls-911-because-victim-was-harassing-her/ |
| 01:11.43 | Semlar | neffi this old rare tracking addon scans for nearby rares by calling TargetByName on a list of rares |
| 01:12.32 | kd3 | if there's one thing that years of composing wow quest articles/screenshots has taught me, it's a consistent image style: http://wowpedia.org/Special:NewFiles?showbots=1 |
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| 01:17.03 | Neffi | Semlar: wait wat |
| 01:17.41 | Neffi | kd3: those are some fine screenshots |
| 01:38.40 | TC-Work | Oh goody, I am getting to the point where my JS mistakes cause 100% cpu use in a browser. |
| 01:38.54 | Semlar | impressive |
| 01:38.55 | kd3 | infinite loops whee |
| 01:39.35 | TC-Work | That's my guess. Though I'm not quite sure how it came about. |
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| 01:51.19 | Semlar | earlier on the beta everyone in the game got teleported to org and had their hearth set to the valley of strength |
| 01:51.39 | Semlar | i don't even know how to get back to draenor |
| 01:51.51 | kd3 | there's a mini dark portal at the earthshrine (cata ports) |
| 01:52.08 | kd3 | yesterday we couldn't reset our hearths away from trade district (as alliance). dunno if that's been fixed yet either |
| 01:53.24 | kd3 | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13779768188 |
| 01:56.06 | Dagmar | Isn't there like... a _really obvious_ guy standing around in Org someplace? |
| 01:56.20 | kd3 | that sends you to tanaan, which is a bad idea if you've already done it |
| 01:56.40 | Dagmar | I'm still feeling kind of silly I spent a good 12 minutes running around Stormwind thinking "Okay... somewhere around here there's *bound* to be an obvious teleport mechanism." |
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| 01:56.48 | kd3 | like, getting stuck at the dark portal and getting ported back to it if you try to run to the docks |
| 01:57.25 | Dagmar | Khadgar was actually on my damn screen when I asked in /1 |
| 01:57.40 | Dagmar | I just assumed someone figured out a new trick with Vargoth |
| 01:57.57 | Dagmar | Wouldn't be the first time there'd been giant-ass player-controlled somethings on the PTR |
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| 01:58.54 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.22 | Neffi | it's so beautiful i want to marry you |
| 01:59.30 | Semlar | tries to calm neffi down |
| 01:59.33 | Neffi | well not really but maybe wine and dine |
| 02:00.23 | Semlar | i just need to make it rotate |
| 02:00.42 | Semlar | which shouldn't be very difficult |
| 02:02.10 | Neffi | but Semlar, you're gonna need to math! |
| 02:02.18 | Semlar | no no i already did the math |
| 02:02.19 | Neffi | it's not safe to go alone, take this! *hands semlar a calculator* |
| 02:02.48 | Semlar | well, i did something, i'm not sure if it was math |
| 02:04.06 | Neffi | did it invole strange symbols like a cross? |
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| 02:04.39 | Semlar | it's all greek to me, neffi |
| 02:05.33 | Neffi | like Ï? |
| 02:06.23 | Semlar | possibly |
| 02:06.48 | Neffi | well, that's a greek letter. it probably wasn't math. math uses numbers |
| 02:06.51 | Neffi | common misconception |
| 02:07.13 | Semlar | algebraic! |
| 02:07.34 | Neffi | I don't speed German |
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| 03:14.26 | Kesava | .. does the premade group thing actually work on the beta? |
| 03:14.33 | Kesava | because i've never seen anything up on it |
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| 03:18.25 | Neffi | "Dual core CPU with floating point unit" ohgod |
| 03:24.42 | kd3 | I doubt people know that it's in/working on beta |
| 03:24.49 | kd3 | hopefully the blog post will raise awareness |
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| 17:07.53 | zenzelezz | Auchindoun... I liked that place |
| 17:08.16 | g0urra | all aboard that hype train |
| 17:08.26 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 17:08.38 | bluspacecow | i canât find my egineering work order npc |
| 17:08.40 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 17:09.21 | g0urra | 6 minutes left.. they better have an amazing cinematic |
| 17:10.27 | pompy1 | you happy now? |
| 17:10.36 | Jamash | HYPE |
| 17:10.44 | Simca | fucking called it |
| 17:11.11 | Jamash | well yeah |
| 17:11.18 | Jamash | what would they follow it up with |
| 17:11.25 | Jamash | funnyman jay carney? |
| 17:11.32 | bluspacecow | ohgodwhy |
| 17:11.43 | Jamash | or whoever that guy was |
| 17:11.49 | g0urra | I'm just muting the stream unless there's cinematics |
| 17:11.49 | Jamash | jay carney is a white house press secretary |
| 17:12.17 | Jamash | Jay Mohr |
| 17:12.58 | bluspacecow | sound up meows g0urra |
| 17:14.28 | Unkle | here it is... |
| 17:16.24 | Fisker- | hijacks Lopeppeppy_ |
| 17:16.34 | Fisker | we got tails |
| 17:17.04 | bluspacecow | and good hair |
| 17:17.09 | g0urra | november 13 |
| 17:17.11 | Lopeppeppy_ | I totally got tail. |
| 17:17.19 | Lopeppeppy_ | tackles Unkle. |
| 17:17.19 | zenzelezz | that's an interesting spin on history |
| 17:17.21 | karl_w_w | so, lodge an axe in a pit lord's head and the rest of it explodes |
| 17:17.23 | karl_w_w | good to know |
| 17:17.30 | VIad | lol |
| 17:17.30 | bluspacecow | wait |
| 17:17.32 | bluspacecow | in the head ? |
| 17:17.33 | Jamash | dude pit lords are full of fire |
| 17:17.44 | bluspacecow | all this time and Iâve been putting in their crotch |
| 17:17.48 | Fisker | rude Lopeppeppy_ |
| 17:17.50 | Fisker | Also btw |
| 17:17.53 | Fisker | I haven't seen you disconnect |
| 17:17.56 | Fisker | you should rename back |
| 17:18.39 | nevcairiel | A Thursday huh |
| 17:18.59 | Simca | karl_w_w: yeah that's how grom died |
| 17:19.11 | Simca | garrosh pushed him out of the way right before he would have died like WC3 |
| 17:19.37 | Unkle | And as I expected... November release. |
| 17:19.52 | Unkle | And Hiya Lopeppeppy_! |
| 17:20.00 | jleclanche | that was really cool |
| 17:20.01 | bluspacecow | PEPPY |
| 17:20.04 | bluspacecow | HI2U |
| 17:20.19 | Unkle | "Times change." |
| 17:20.30 | karl_w_w | by then siege will be 14 months old |
| 17:20.31 | jleclanche | Unkle: yeah, that was really good |
| 17:21.11 | karl_w_w | so I tuned in just in time for the kargath thing, I bet I didn't miss anything |
| 17:21.25 | Unkle | Poor Guldan. Expecting to be the most badass of badasses, only to be thwarted by a time-traveler ... |
| 17:21.41 | pompy1 | http://youtu.be/luuUE0x7-TY |
| 17:22.03 | Jamash | I was like, history repeats itself, except, wait, this is the past, so it's history pre-repeating itself |
| 17:22.15 | karl_w_w | prepeated |
| 17:22.26 | Jamash | vuja de |
| 17:22.33 | Lopeppeppy_ | How the frig do I keep getting a tail? Grrr. Three is plenty. |
| 17:22.38 | Lopeppeppy_ | Heya, blueberry. |
| 17:23.03 | Fisker | poor Lopeppeppy_ |
| 17:23.10 | fewyn | i wonder when the systems patch will be |
| 17:23.39 | nevcairiel | 4 to 6 weeks before typically |
| 17:23.41 | Fisker | looking forward to september 4th then Lopeppeppy_ ? |
| 17:23.46 | nevcairiel | So early October |
| 17:24.01 | fewyn | i hope they don't do it mid-holiday again |
| 17:24.23 | nevcairiel | There is holidays early October? |
| 17:24.28 | fewyn | brewfest |
| 17:24.32 | fewyn | ends oct 6th |
| 17:24.49 | fewyn | then hallow's end is the 18th to the 1st |
| 17:24.54 | nevcairiel | Oh you mean ingame |
| 17:24.57 | fewyn | then day of the dead |
| 17:25.00 | fewyn | yes |
| 17:25.13 | Lopeppeppy_ | No, Fisker. This back to school crap is really harshing my mellow. |
| 17:25.26 | Fisker | Oh wasn't thinking about back to school |
| 17:25.32 | fewyn | http://www.wowhead.com/events#calendar:9 |
| 17:25.32 | nevcairiel | The patch might hit the end of brewfest then |
| 17:25.39 | nevcairiel | But who cares |
| 17:25.47 | Fisker | hit right before and massively break brewfest |
| 17:25.54 | fewyn | ^ |
| 17:25.58 | fewyn | that's what happened last time |
| 17:26.03 | Fisker | http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-holding-september-4-event-moto-360-new-phones-inbound Lopeppeppy_ |
| 17:26.10 | Fisker | Just something for you |
| 17:26.20 | nevcairiel | There is barely any weeks without stuff there |
| 17:26.54 | kd3 | wait, wait. the 10th anniversary is the 24th, right? so we've got to get to 100 in 10 days? |
| 17:27.09 | Fisker | You can do it in 1 kd3 |
| 17:27.14 | kd3 | yah |
| 17:27.21 | Ressy | Don't they usually do a week for anniversary or something? |
| 17:27.32 | jleclanche | kd3: it'll be increased dont worry |
| 17:27.32 | fewyn | the 10th anniversary event might last longer than the 2 weeks it normally is |
| 17:27.34 | fewyn | i expect it will |
| 17:27.42 | fewyn | it'll probably be a month or two at least |
| 17:28.05 | jleclanche | Blizzard: Making anniversaries last longer than christmas in the US. |
| 17:28.08 | Unkle | Also, I think there will be a bunch of people crashing through content to 100 in far less than 10 days. |
| 17:28.09 | jleclanche | since 2014. |
| 17:29.14 | Jamash | By fire be purged! |
| 17:29.22 | nevcairiel | Unkle: have you been to another expansion launch before? :P |
| 17:29.40 | nevcairiel | 10 days is long! |
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| 17:31.56 | Unkle | nevcairiel: Oh, three or four... :) |
| 17:32.25 | nevcairiel | Then you should know better by now ;) |
| 17:32.36 | zenzelezz | that cinematic made me miss my Gorehowl |
| 17:33.09 | nevcairiel | Anyone that cares about competitive raiding will have to be 100 by the first raid reset on Tue/Wed |
| 17:33.48 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.18 | Gethe | https://twitter.com/Celestalon/status/499946613142347777 have they added more absorb info in WoD? |
| 17:35.02 | nevcairiel | They wouldn't lie, would they? |
| 17:35.32 | Gethe | i just ask since this is the first i've heard of it |
| 17:35.53 | Unkle | nevcairiel: I guess I really needed a :p on the end of my comment then. I assumed by now my sense of humor was well known. |
| 17:36.44 | Semlar | i assume they're changing the way disc heals, because on live they pretty much just attack to heal, right? |
| 17:37.24 | Neffi | Semlar: it's beautiful |
| 17:37.39 | Gethe | Semlar: they can, but most of thier heals are still absorbs |
| 17:37.57 | Neffi | Semlar: but I'm concerned with your character clipping in and out. Have been travelling to the past lately? |
| 17:38.08 | Semlar | maybe a little bit |
| 17:38.12 | fewyn | i got realm first level 85 rogue in cataclysm! |
| 17:38.21 | fewyn | that def was not easy |
| 17:38.26 | fewyn | i beat another rogue by like 5 minutes |
| 17:39.41 | nevcairiel | No achievements for that anymore though |
| 17:39.48 | fewyn | yeah |
| 17:39.51 | fewyn | which i'm totes okay with |
| 17:39.56 | fewyn | because i can't do that again >_> |
| 17:40.41 | nevcairiel | I tried a couple times, but at some point I always was like, I need sleep, screw this, its only a game |
| 17:41.22 | Stanzilla | I wanted my hattrick |
| 17:41.25 | Stanzilla | but nooo |
| 17:41.55 | nevcairiel | In cata I got stuck on a broken quest |
| 17:41.59 | nevcairiel | That was annoying |
| 17:42.28 | Stanzilla | only thing I was stuck in/with was the login screen and my gf |
| 17:42.34 | Stanzilla | at cata release |
| 17:42.49 | Stanzilla | and yes that in/with was in the correct order |
| 17:43.03 | nevcairiel | Too bad for you |
| 17:43.25 | Stanzilla | yes indeed |
| 17:45.43 | fewyn | in mop i got stuck on the stupid fucking gyrocopter |
| 17:45.50 | fewyn | i was planning on doing it |
| 17:46.01 | fewyn | but i just said fuck this shit after i got stuck on it for like an hour and a half |
| 17:46.19 | fewyn | still hit cap rather fast tho |
| 17:48.59 | kd3 | For reference, history repeats itself yet again as far as expansion timespans are concerned: wowpedia.org/Expansion |
| 17:51.25 | Unkle | *GROAN* A giant named An'dure. |
| 17:53.12 | zenzelezz | four expansions from now, we'll be visiting Outland to somehow magically restore it to its former glory |
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| 17:56.05 | pompy1 | kd3: "release date announced .. BC: 4 months before release" .. i believe that's wrong? .. |
| 17:56.08 | pompy1 | http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2006/11/09/burning-crusade-release-date-is-january-16-world-of-warcraft-hits-75-million-players.htm |
| 17:56.13 | pompy1 | heh |
| 17:56.48 | Fisker | lets beat up pompy1 |
| 18:00.41 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Timeline_%28World_of_Warcraft%29#2006 |
| 18:00.44 | kd3 | scroll to sep 11 |
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| 18:02.57 | kd3 | though I think we're wrong there. I don't see that date on google anywhere else |
| 18:02.57 | karl_w_w | oh man, just reminding myself how joyfully insane american psycho is |
| 18:04.55 | karl_w_w | "can you keep it down, I'm trying to do drugs" |
| 18:12.54 | pompy1 | kd3: http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/46505599.htm |
| 18:14.11 | kd3 | yah, looks like the original editor transposed 9/11 and 11/9 |
| 18:14.47 | nevcairiel | Maybe he just wasn't from the US and wrote it properly. :P |
| 18:14.55 | Fisker | owned |
| 18:15.38 | Unkle | Damn foreigners, can't just do things our way, even when their way might make more sense. What's wrong with them? |
| 18:25.23 | foxlit | grumble, I have a pattern with match = '\S([^\S\n\f\r]+)$'; in TextMate; it matches whitespace after a letter e.g. (âa â), but not after a number (â0 â) |
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| 18:26.39 | foxlit | but itâs more like it doesnât like that the number is in a different scope; same problem occurs with things like keywords or strings. |
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| 18:50.03 | Industrial | Can't tansmogrify heirlooms right? |
| 18:50.11 | Semlar | you can |
| 18:50.18 | Fisker | You can but you can't pass them on |
| 18:50.25 | Fisker | Well you can |
| 18:50.29 | Fisker | but they lose the transmog if you do |
| 18:50.33 | Industrial | ah thats fine |
| 18:50.35 | Industrial | ty |
| 18:54.52 | Neffi | lol. I love how a scene guy puts his name in the <copyright> field when taggin |
| 19:01.53 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk_vV-JRZ6E oh lord |
| 19:05.47 | haste | now I feel old :D |
| 19:07.17 | karl_w_w | i love how the kid who looks like she's the youngest is the most clued-in |
| 19:13.02 | Neffi | SSDs are awesome. I just full-formatted an 8 GB VHD in like a couple seconds |
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| 19:23.49 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk "at least it's better than flappy bird" rofl |
| 19:25.23 | foxlit | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/opie#comments << so Iâve figured out two things: people actually put /macro macros onto OPie rings (which seems like a surprise), and itâs virtually impossible to get a proper bug report :( |
| 19:27.10 | VIad | foxlit: well a macro is nice since it keeps regardless where you are :) |
| 19:27.17 | VIad | server side storage ftw |
| 19:27.36 | VIad | or you mean they /use and such? ;p |
| 19:28.12 | foxlit | no, I do mean the storage mechanism. |
| 19:29.38 | Arrowmaster | too many matts in my address book |
| 19:30.18 | Arrowmaster | you people need a more original name |
| 19:30.37 | foxlit | rename them all to Steve. |
| 19:30.46 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.12 | Arrowmaster | that would be even worse |
| 19:31.26 | Arrowmaster | apparently i have 5 steves vs 7 matts |
| 19:32.57 | VIad | I wonder what people think of the wod cinematic. Like, do they connect the dots with what happened in the video and the lore? :p |
| 19:33.03 | Arrowmaster | i think i worked with one of these steves but i cant remember when |
| 19:33.14 | kd3 | there were some explicit callouts to the WCIII cinematic |
| 19:33.37 | kd3 | http://i.imgur.com/baqMEad.jpg |
| 19:34.19 | VIad | I noticed the references. I wonder if others did! :D |
| 19:34.24 | nevcairiel | They should totally release a WC3 HD, just polish it up a bit. |
| 19:35.00 | Arrowmaster | i have a job again for 2 weeks, tomorrow till the 29th, they are trying to rush through the paperwork so i dont have to fill out everything again and do a drug test |
| 19:35.22 | VIad | drug test - is that like peeing one a cup? |
| 19:35.30 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 19:35.48 | VIad | 30 seconds? |
| 19:36.19 | Arrowmaster | last time i had to wait in the office for over half an hour |
| 19:36.34 | VIad | pee in cup and place cup in mailbox with the required paperwork |
| 19:36.49 | VIad | or mail a parcel with the required contents :D |
| 19:36.59 | VIad | pee in a box |
| 19:37.30 | Arrowmaster | youve never taken a drug test have you |
| 19:37.43 | Semlar | i don't think he could pass a drug test |
| 19:37.47 | VIad | I am a drug |
| 19:37.50 | Arrowmaster | i could |
| 19:38.01 | foxlit | through the dirty, dirty magic of socialism and non-insane drug policies, he doesnât have to. |
| 19:38.01 | Arrowmaster | because i knew i might have to do one soon |
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| 19:40.30 | nevcairiel | What kind of jobs make you take a drug test |
| 19:40.47 | nevcairiel | Or your country is just full of crazies |
| 19:40.53 | Arrowmaster | full of crazies |
| 19:41.04 | Arrowmaster | but i have this trend of working at banks |
| 19:41.29 | VIad | well, in a country where drugs are so widespread I understand why these tests |
| 19:41.53 | VIad | not to mention many are legal in many places :p |
| 19:43.28 | VIad | about that, are there gun controls going around? |
| 19:43.47 | VIad | if people take drug tests shouldnt gun "tests" also be fair? :p |
| 19:51.12 | bluspacecow | *noms Arrowmaster* |
| 19:51.38 | Arrowmaster | get it off get it off |
| 19:51.46 | bluspacecow | hiiiiiii |
| 19:52.47 | VIad | ~whalenuke bluspacecow |
| 19:52.48 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around bluspacecow with his mind powers. |
| 19:53.16 | bluspacecow | @Arrowmaster https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cljszs7L51g |
| 19:53.36 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 19:59.23 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.28 | Fisker | drops a beat on Lopeppeppy_ |
| 20:00.35 | Lopeppeppy_ | Does that hurt? |
| 20:01.31 | Fisker | I don't know, does it? |
| 20:16.26 | Fisker | Bye though |
| 20:17.32 | Arrowmaster | the kerning on this document i printed is so bad it hurts my eyes |
| 20:20.05 | Arrowmaster | googles docx preview fucked it up when it turned it into a pdf for me to print |
| 20:20.28 | Arrowmaster | printing it directly from my phone looks better |
| 20:22.11 | Arrowmaster | printing is super slow though, i wonder if thats from the android side or something its doing to my hp printer |
| 20:23.20 | nevcairiel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:25.27 | VIad | I still use carbon copy on my printer |
| 20:25.45 | VIad | you got me, I am poor so I use a typewriter |
| 20:30.17 | Unkle | I'm so broke, I can't even pay attention. |
| 20:31.11 | bluspacecow | *covers unkle in monoply money* |
| 20:32.26 | TC-Work | ~lart Unkle |
| 20:32.26 | purl | burns Unkle to a crisp with a laser |
| 20:32.45 | Unkle | Just how I like myself ... crispy. |
| 20:33.33 | TC-Work | Whatever Gunther |
| 20:35.20 | Unkle | So, in beta I managed to go all the way through Talador before I started seeing real upgrades over my mix of LFR SoO and Timeless Isle + Valor Upgrade gear. |
| 20:36.01 | kd3 | last build, I exited talador without a single upgrade. I'm mostly normal-SoO geared. I'm told they upgraded ilvls since |
| 20:36.03 | VIad | btw who was the red orc in the wod cinematic? |
| 20:36.46 | Sharparam | red tshirt orc |
| 20:36.56 | Unkle | kd3: I'm building the Dwarven Bunker in the hopes of more upgrades. |
| 20:37.10 | Mr_Rabies | red orc, vlad? |
| 20:37.23 | Gnarfoz | can't be a serious question, right VIad |
| 20:37.24 | Unkle | Oh, and I've been detouring to slaughter silver-elites at every chance. |
| 20:37.31 | VIad | but thrall is green |
| 20:37.36 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 20:37.40 | Gnarfoz | watch it again |
| 20:37.45 | Gnarfoz | maybe... a couple of times |
| 20:37.50 | Mr_Rabies | the hooded one? |
| 20:37.54 | VIad | yes |
| 20:37.58 | Mr_Rabies | well, the one that takes off his hood? |
| 20:38.00 | Unkle | And maybe play some of the live game. |
| 20:38.04 | Gnarfoz | have you played MoP at all |
| 20:38.12 | Gnarfoz | don't you tell him, Mr_Rabies |
| 20:38.15 | Mr_Rabies | and throws gorehowl back to grom? |
| 20:38.19 | Gnarfoz | >_> |
| 20:38.38 | VIad | many important orcs in the lore |
| 20:38.47 | VIad | can be virtually anyone at this point |
| 20:38.48 | VIad | :p |
| 20:38.56 | Gnarfoz | not if you paid any attention to anything about WoD |
| 20:39.00 | Gnarfoz | (story wise) |
| 20:39.08 | Gnarfoz | rages |
| 20:39.30 | VIad | I remember some of the orc campaign in WC3 but the ending there and this alternative ending is a bit too different. |
| 20:40.06 | Gnarfoz | while they paid (almost pixel perfect) homage to the wc3 campaign end video, that is not where the answer lies. |
| 20:40.22 | Gnarfoz | (well, to that one particular scene, I mean) |
| 20:40.42 | Gnarfoz | yes? no? not played MoP/SoO? skipped all cinematics? |
| 20:40.58 | Mr_Rabies | okay i can't keep doing this to vlad |
| 20:41.06 | VIad | in my mind mop is like |
| 20:41.13 | VIad | 50 years in the future :P |
| 20:41.27 | Mr_Rabies | it's mankrik's wife |
| 20:41.29 | VIad | considering I have no clue how long orcs live and age |
| 20:41.39 | Gnarfoz | gah |
| 20:41.44 | Gnarfoz | it's a time-travel story |
| 20:41.48 | VIad | I'd expect garrosh to be a white bearded old guy in MOP :p |
| 20:41.48 | Gnarfoz | have you... forgotten that somehow |
| 20:41.52 | VIad | no |
| 20:41.55 | Mr_Rabies | it's garrosh :p |
| 20:42.00 | VIad | it's not a time travel story for the characters |
| 20:42.05 | VIad | only our characters :P |
| 20:42.06 | Gnarfoz | Garrosh? why would he be OLD 35 years in the PAST |
| 20:42.14 | Mr_Rabies | garrosh, as well |
| 20:42.14 | VIad | no |
| 20:42.22 | Gnarfoz | it's a time-travel story for the characters! >_> |
| 20:42.26 | VIad | I said, if this is 35 years ago and he is like in his prime |
| 20:42.26 | Mr_Rabies | my guess is there are two garroshes somehow in that timeline |
| 20:42.36 | Mr_Rabies | that's the one from our timeline |
| 20:42.38 | VIad | +35 years and you are in MOP time he is like, 60-70 years old? |
| 20:42.40 | Gnarfoz | dude, it's not time travel just for us |
| 20:42.54 | VIad | it's an alternate timeline |
| 20:43.01 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 20:43.14 | Gnarfoz | yes, because traveling back + changing things -> alternate timeline |
| 20:43.18 | VIad | since he didn't drink mannoroths blood it's obviously going to change everything we know from vanilla and onward :P |
| 20:43.22 | Gnarfoz | not "imagine if this happened..." |
| 20:43.23 | VIad | of course |
| 20:43.26 | Mr_Rabies | basically garrosh and an indeterminate amount of people go back 35 years and break a chain of events |
| 20:43.32 | Gnarfoz | ^ |
| 20:43.35 | VIad | ehm |
| 20:43.37 | foxlit | Itâs not even that |
| 20:43.45 | Mr_Rabies | alternate timeline is kinda the same thing as "imagine if this happened" |
| 20:43.46 | VIad | that's weird |
| 20:43.48 | foxlit | Itâs really just an alternate timeline that you mess further with. |
| 20:44.06 | Gnarfoz | saywhat |
| 20:44.24 | Unkle | Did you guys not read comic books? This shit happens ALL the time. |
| 20:44.27 | VIad | I'd be fine enough with just "we go back 35 years before the dark portal existed, then we continue the story with a twist" and done :P whole expansion with enough backstory to go on from |
| 20:44.44 | Gnarfoz | except, "iron horde" garrosh doesn't exist 35 years in the past |
| 20:44.45 | Alram | i feel like ive had this discussion before |
| 20:44.47 | Alram | but about star trek |
| 20:44.55 | VIad | don't really need garrosh to be going back in time too to mess things up even more, just making it more convoluted |
| 20:45.00 | Gnarfoz | but about $insert_other_fantasy_universe |
| 20:45.02 | Mr_Rabies | a surprisingly small amount of people read comic books, Unkle |
| 20:45.12 | foxlit | not âwe go 35 years back to *our* draenor and change things, causing things to unfold differentlyâ but ââwe go back to some draenor, roughly comparable to ours 35 years ago, and change things further" |
| 20:45.25 | Gnarfoz | how does that make any difference |
| 20:45.26 | Mr_Rabies | 30k seems like "pretty good" as far as comic sales are concerned |
| 20:45.33 | VIad | I am sure this will be cleared up as you play the story quests in the expansion |
| 20:45.33 | Gnarfoz | to someone who didn't even understand it's a time-travel story |
| 20:45.58 | Mr_Rabies | the whole point is that garrosh is marty mcfly, except it's a different universe than ours |
| 20:46.01 | VIad | I doubt they expect you to have read all the comics, read the wiki, spoken to mike and the other blizzard guys, e.g. |
| 20:46.21 | Alram | this is still correct imo http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--bLl809H4--/1964gewqnly8vpng.png |
| 20:46.26 | VIad | I expect a fun story going through the scenes and bringing me up to speed, as I play :P |
| 20:46.28 | Gnarfoz | no, knowing what was announced at last BlizzCon + watching the trailer today - should be enough to know what the story is. |
| 20:46.32 | Mr_Rabies | he wants to restore honor to the orcs and stop them from becoming the legion's slaves |
| 20:46.39 | Gnarfoz | forgot one thing: and have played the live game. |
| 20:46.54 | VIad | they still haven't said anything about the event leading up to or after the cinematic video |
| 20:47.02 | VIad | so they better explain that shit in the game :p |
| 20:47.15 | Mr_Rabies | shortsidedly realizing he's totally missing the point and thrall wouldn't have been thrall had he not been raised by humans |
| 20:47.23 | Gnarfoz | they have, by laying out what the expansion is going to be about |
| 20:47.29 | VIad | don't expect me to kill zeebras, dogs, tigers and rabbits for some leather and eyes for some silly quest :p |
| 20:48.01 | VIad | I hope they aren't stopping at the cinematic trailer |
| 20:48.31 | Alram | there's more stuff in the beta already |
| 20:48.38 | Alram | dont worry |
| 20:48.44 | VIad | I don't |
| 20:48.52 | VIad | but someone else here makes it sound like they stopped making lore |
| 20:49.21 | VIad | and the quests 91-100 are going to be only future events without any clues to the past events leading up to todays situations :p |
| 20:49.50 | Mr_Rabies | literally the whole thing is based on this one event |
| 20:50.08 | Mr_Rabies | this one event changed orc and human history forever (in that timeline) |
| 20:50.23 | VIad | I am eager to do quests relating to said event, the building up to it and the consequences. |
| 20:50.29 | Mr_Rabies | the difference is the dark portal is rigged to jump to our universe |
| 20:50.39 | Alram | im not entirely sure when WoD is set though |
| 20:50.50 | Alram | the cinematic was set a while after garrosh went to Draenor |
| 20:50.55 | Gnarfoz | I doubt it's set before the cinematic that plays when you start the game. |
| 20:51.00 | Alram | and the dark portal was still being built |
| 20:51.09 | Alram | while its done in WoD |
| 20:51.09 | VIad | Curious how garrosh escaped and went back in time. |
| 20:51.18 | VIad | I hope they make some story about that. |
| 20:51.19 | foxlit | Kairoz. |
| 20:51.20 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.23 | Mr_Rabies | it's in the novel, but i'm sure they'll explain it |
| 20:51.34 | Mr_Rabies | they're doing better about getting the story in the game |
| 20:51.42 | Mr_Rabies | cata was the worst about that |
| 20:51.53 | bluspacecow | my engineering work order assistant keeps disappearing |
| 20:51.58 | bluspacecow | slakcing on the job ! |
| 20:52.04 | Alram | fired |
| 20:52.12 | VIad | I am sure they will put it in the game. Who makes a game and "forgets" to add the lore? :P |
| 20:52.33 | VIad | The best part about any game is when there is a story that you like and when the game keeps feeding you information about the events involved. |
| 20:52.57 | Mr_Rabies | cata was the big one that dropped the ball on that |
| 20:53.15 | Mr_Rabies | it's just like "servers down" *events occur* "everything's broken, go read the book!" |
| 20:53.32 | VIad | Personally I found MOP more boring than Cata :P |
| 20:53.45 | Alram | i hope there's a proper world event before WoD :( |
| 20:53.46 | VIad | haven't been excited since wotlk :p |
| 20:53.57 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: moo? Itâs not like there werenât pre-expansion events leading into the book leading into the cinematic leading into the changes. |
| 20:53.58 | Alram | not the boring blasted lands pre-quests |
| 20:54.15 | Mr_Rabies | there were a lot of things that weren't explained with cata in game |
| 20:54.16 | VIad | btw the comics don't count :P |
| 20:54.22 | Gnarfoz | if you say so |
| 20:54.38 | Gnarfoz | Alram: hype? :p |
| 20:54.44 | VIad | you can expect people to have read all the novels and comics, but you'd be missing on 99.9% of your audience :p |
| 20:54.53 | Alram | i hope the iron horde gets to stormwind somehow |
| 20:54.56 | Mr_Rabies | like, the events that resulted in cairn dying, the dwarf king getting diamondized, etc |
| 20:55.06 | Alram | and rek one of the districts |
| 20:55.11 | Alram | that would be original |
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| 20:55.18 | Mr_Rabies | why deathwing went into the park, etc |
| 20:55.23 | Mr_Rabies | er nuked the park |
| 20:55.26 | Mr_Rabies | whatever |
| 20:55.27 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 20:55.28 | VIad | he didn't in the trailer, Mr_Rabies |
| 20:55.30 | Alram | literally the most useful place to nuke too |
| 20:55.38 | Alram | not to mention it was very precise |
| 20:55.45 | VIad | should have nuked the church |
| 20:55.47 | VIad | or trade |
| 20:55.56 | Mr_Rabies | or like |
| 20:56.04 | Alram | or just goldshire |
| 20:56.06 | Alram | i'd be okay with that too |
| 20:56.07 | Mr_Rabies | any of the story behind why jaina went crackers |
| 20:56.09 | VIad | nuke northshire |
| 20:56.14 | Mr_Rabies | because it's there in the books and it's really good |
| 20:56.15 | VIad | players start in a crater |
| 20:56.21 | Mr_Rabies | but not mentioned at all in the game |
| 20:56.38 | Mr_Rabies | other than "my city got mana bombed qq" "here's a bunch of graves" |
| 20:56.59 | foxlit | but thatâs essentially it. |
| 20:57.14 | Mr_Rabies | there's a lot more there that would make it make a lot more sense if they included it ingame |
| 20:57.27 | VIad | they could |
| 20:57.30 | Mr_Rabies | seeing her friends literally vaporize infront of her, everything she's built literally turn to dust |
| 20:57.33 | VIad | if they released updates like in vanilla :P |
| 20:57.43 | VIad | each 0.1 patch had somewhat major content with it |
| 20:57.47 | foxlit | dropping the mana bomb on theramore is in the game, anyhow. |
| 20:57.55 | Mr_Rabies | well, that was mostly because vanilla was shipped unfinished |
| 20:58.00 | Gnarfoz | you mean if they published content that had been worked on for years before |
| 20:58.03 | Mr_Rabies | like, way, way unfinished |
| 20:58.19 | VIad | they had the manpower and the efficiency to add and fix stuff WHILE the game was released and people were playing it :P |
| 20:58.24 | Mr_Rabies | it is, but none of the story is, foxlit |
| 20:58.32 | Gnarfoz | VIad: delusion |
| 20:58.37 | Mr_Rabies | the cutscene is like HEY I'M A GLOBLIN I'M GONNA BLOW STUFF UP BOOM |
| 20:58.55 | Gnarfoz | (not to mention the quality has gone up tons) |
| 20:59.29 | Mr_Rabies | they didn't add stuff while the game was released, really, they just polished stuff that was already in but not published because it wasn't ready yet |
| 20:59.45 | Mr_Rabies | almost literally everything in vanilla was already there at ship, just not populated with npcs, etc |
| 20:59.51 | Mr_Rabies | including naxx |
| 21:00.08 | VIad | I remember when the next raid tier was implemented before people had finished the last one. |
| 21:00.13 | VIad | Had a good pacing feeling over that :P |
| 21:00.21 | Gnarfoz | because a) people were bad |
| 21:00.22 | VIad | A nice carrot in front to look forward to. |
| 21:00.28 | Gnarfoz | or b) slow levelers |
| 21:00.31 | Mr_Rabies | they did release SoO way too soon |
| 21:00.31 | Gnarfoz | c) game new |
| 21:00.35 | VIad | Now it's like, a year of orgrimmar raiding before expansion hits.- |
| 21:00.36 | Gnarfoz | d) game type new to lots of people, too |
| 21:00.38 | Mr_Rabies | if that's what you're talking about |
| 21:00.43 | foxlit | d) tier not tuned before next tier is released. |
| 21:00.52 | Gnarfoz | you mean: "tier not tuned, the end" :D |
| 21:01.04 | Mr_Rabies | ToT could have gone another 2 months i think |
| 21:01.14 | Mr_Rabies | and same with HoF/TOES |
| 21:01.23 | Mr_Rabies | would have been a lot better than over a year of SOO |
| 21:01.37 | Gnarfoz | well, they said they wanted to push out updates more often. :p |
| 21:01.46 | Mr_Rabies | well, that backfired like hell :p |
| 21:01.47 | Gnarfoz | they did, and then had nothing left, morons |
| 21:01.53 | Mr_Rabies | but hindsight is 20:20 |
| 21:02.02 | Mr_Rabies | they probably wanted to get WoD out in like, june |
| 21:02.04 | Gnarfoz | no, it's 23:02~ |
| 21:02.20 | Alram | ur fired Gnarfoz |
| 21:02.23 | Gnarfoz | they probably wanted it out a year ago, but if wishes were horses |
| 21:02.30 | Gnarfoz | Alram: u wot m8 |
| 21:02.37 | Alram | fired pack your things |
| 21:03.06 | Gnarfoz | I'm not American! \o/ |
| 21:03.10 | Mr_Rabies | but between all the games they're working on and all the new art assets (especially character models needing to be perfect) this took way, way too long |
| 21:04.16 | VIad | they outsourced the making of textures to other companies in vanilla |
| 21:04.38 | Alram | liar pants on fire ^ |
| 21:04.45 | Gnarfoz | where the hell did you get that idea from |
| 21:05.02 | VIad | someone told me that loong ago, had no reason not to believei t :p |
| 21:05.23 | Gnarfoz | ok |
| 21:05.47 | Mr_Rabies | wow's textures at launch were groundbreakingly good |
| 21:05.54 | Mr_Rabies | it was all blizzard |
| 21:05.57 | Gnarfoz | the red orc in the cutscene is Thrall, he just went to a tanning salon for couple of months, to improve the disguise |
| 21:06.06 | Alram | they're pretty sexy right now too and they're also all blizzard :p |
| 21:06.07 | VIad | said he made some of the the feralas textures back in vanilla :p |
| 21:06.44 | Mr_Rabies | yeah they're not bad now, Alram, but the engine is aging, even if they extend its limits |
| 21:06.48 | Gnarfoz | MOAR POLYS |
| 21:06.49 | Mr_Rabies | art wise they're great, they're just butting against technology now |
| 21:06.51 | Gnarfoz | everywhere!! |
| 21:07.00 | Alram | so true |
| 21:07.24 | Mr_Rabies | heroes of the storm has some really amazing texture work |
| 21:07.29 | Unkle | I just hope they don't go "realistic" like Guild Wars or ESO - because those things all look like complete shit. |
| 21:07.31 | Mr_Rabies | i dig that game's art design |
| 21:07.39 | Mr_Rabies | it's a shame i'm in that beta and not WoD |
| 21:07.43 | Mr_Rabies | because i'm not gonna play it :( |
| 21:07.58 | Mr_Rabies | i doubt it, Unkle |
| 21:08.00 | Gnarfoz | how have you managed to not have beta |
| 21:08.09 | Gnarfoz | also, the art style changing? yeah. fat chance. |
| 21:08.24 | Mr_Rabies | even the cutscenes aren't "realistic" |
| 21:08.41 | Unkle | I'm all for stylized art in fantasy games. I <3 WoW's art. |
| 21:08.44 | Mr_Rabies | the difference between WoW and most other MMOs is that they have actual art design and not "let's make this look like real life" |
| 21:08.52 | Mr_Rabies | wildstar and landmark being exceptions |
| 21:09.20 | Mr_Rabies | wildstar is a bunch of ex-wow guys so it basically has wow's art design with more sci-fi |
| 21:09.40 | Gnarfoz | they should just hire the Wildstar engine guys back (I'm just randomly going to claim they were some of the ex-blizzard ones) and make a new engine, so they can make the same mistakes a third time |
| 21:09.43 | Mr_Rabies | landmark seems to be similarly stylized to wow |
| 21:09.50 | VIad | why did someone leave blizz to become a ex-wow guy and then join another studio to make a wow-like game? |
| 21:09.55 | Gnarfoz | "is a bunch of ex-wow guys" is pushing it |
| 21:09.57 | Unkle | Are REALLY, REALLY, REALLY bad imitations of southern accents. |
| 21:10.12 | Gnarfoz | VIad: they didn't "join", they founded |
| 21:10.42 | Gnarfoz | and it's probably because there's more than enough creative people who are just interested in the creation part |
| 21:10.49 | Gnarfoz | not in the keeping alive for a decade part |
| 21:10.52 | Mr_Rabies | because being in the same company for a long time gives some people cabin fever and they gotta escape |
| 21:11.49 | Mr_Rabies | it's basically like those guys that constantly roll alts, the building process is more important than "endgame" as it were |
| 21:12.03 | Gnarfoz | a lot more room for creativity when you start over |
| 21:12.38 | Gnarfoz | maybe those people joined after some/a lot/everything about wow's art/lore/whatever was already decided |
| 21:12.48 | Gnarfoz | they just got to flesh it out or "be creative" within the bounds of that |
| 21:13.01 | Gnarfoz | heck, even at 0, WoW was already constrained by being Warcraft |
| 21:15.23 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes creators gotta create from scratch |
| 21:16.08 | Mr_Rabies | for a comparison literally like 2 people in this channel might get it's like when the gundam creator made a show that was basically gundam, but free of its canonical shackles |
| 21:17.57 | Mr_Rabies | and now he's back to gundam with a fresh set of ideas |
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| 21:28.26 | Unkle | Status: Flying under the world. |
| 21:34.20 | Kesava | why do people leave after a single wipe on a boss on beta when no one has said a single thing let alone explained what to do |
| 21:34.25 | Kesava | stupid. |
| 21:34.29 | Kesava | i hate mutes. |
| 21:47.28 | Mr_Rabies | they're testing the lfd experience |
| 21:49.32 | foxlit | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13839983865 << ! |
| 22:05.39 | kullervo | bhahahah |
| 22:05.48 | kullervo | epic coding on the addon though |
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| 22:08.52 | Mr_Rabies | recount has struck me as duct taped back to "working" for the past...5 years or more |
| 22:09.14 | Kesava | are any of you going to post there saying it's due to terrible code in recount or do i have to |
| 22:09.17 | Mr_Rabies | i use skada as a result |
| 22:09.36 | fewyn | people use damage meters? |
| 22:10.08 | Mr_Rabies | all the time |
| 22:10.13 | Mr_Rabies | helps a lot with raid info |
| 22:10.41 | Mr_Rabies | it's more than just damage meters, it's threat, damage taken, damage taken by spell, healing, etc |
| 22:10.53 | Mr_Rabies | lotta good info |
| 22:11.15 | Kesava | oh i can't post there because i don't have a us account. obviously. |
| 22:11.17 | Mr_Rabies | i use death note to analyze deaths but skada for everything else |
| 22:11.23 | Kesava | i'm going to go mad until someone tells him recount is terrible |
| 22:12.12 | foxlit | it wouldnât help him any, though: the problem is that *other people* are using recount, and he doesnât show up for them. |
| 22:12.54 | Mr_Rabies | are the combat log changes in the beta yet? |
| 22:12.56 | Kesava | it would give him something to say to the idiots in pugs but i doubt they'd listen anyway |
| 22:13.01 | Gnarfoz | at least foxlit read the actual post |
| 22:13.08 | Kesava | i did too |
| 22:13.10 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish skada was more accurate between players, i hate that there's as much variance as there is |
| 22:13.11 | Kesava | hah |
| 22:13.17 | Mr_Rabies | it's not huge, but it's enough |
| 22:13.40 | Gnarfoz | range/phasing issues, probably |
| 22:14.00 | Mr_Rabies | yup |
| 22:14.05 | Mr_Rabies | they were supposed to be fixing those in WoD |
| 22:14.09 | Mr_Rabies | but i dunno if that happened |
| 22:14.39 | Gnarfoz | I think you put a bit too much into a 140 character message saying "they hope to" |
| 22:15.13 | Gnarfoz | either it's going to be the same/better on a per-encounter basis, or it'll be the same as now :D |
| 22:15.15 | Mr_Rabies | ah, was it on twitter? i couldn't find the original post about it |
| 22:15.41 | Gnarfoz | doubt they actually spent the time on a systematic fix for something they don't need to care about ^^ |
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| 22:58.02 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: trump playing a fascinating pirate deck on legend right now |
| 23:04.08 | kullervo | fewyn: I use damage meters to decide how bad I should feel about a pug group with only a quick glance, and WCL for when I want to tell my guild about the length of my manhood |
| 23:04.22 | fewyn | i have them too =p i was making a joke |
| 23:04.48 | kullervo | can never know about you |
| 23:04.59 | kullervo | hmh.. I'll make a confession bear |
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