| 00:06.05 | Neffi | foxlit: you're good at dirty talk |
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| 01:14.32 | Thunder_Child | ~ping |
| 01:14.32 | purl | ~pong |
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| 01:46.26 | jleclanche | woah what happened to trump |
| 01:46.32 | jleclanche | yesterday he was rank 2, hes 70 now |
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| 02:14.34 | Siku | Trump as in... Hearthstone's TrumpSC? |
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| 02:41.14 | Arrowmaster | you ever have one of those weekends where afterwards looking back you like a god among men, you feel like you can do anything and no other man can equal you? |
| 02:46.29 | Thunder_Child | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.31 | Thunder_Child | every* |
| 02:51.41 | Dagmar | It's a sign that the hangover is going to be _brutal_. |
| 02:52.11 | Dagmar | Just go ahead and set some aspirin and a bottle of water next to the bed tonight. |
| 02:56.39 | Siku | That must be why i never felt like that :< |
| 03:08.15 | Neffi | Dagmar: acetaminophen* |
| 03:08.25 | Neffi | Aspirin is a blood thinner. Bad for post-hangover headache cure |
| 03:14.08 | Dagmar | Better than just trying to macho one's way through it |
| 03:16.54 | jleclanche | Siku: yes trumpsc |
| 03:24.43 | A-KO^^ | WoW is not very kind to the Intel HD4400... |
| 03:29.59 | Thunder_Child | I assume it is at the lowest setting |
| 03:36.51 | Neffi | 4400 should be capable at min settings, at around 1440x900 |
| 03:51.55 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: but i didnt drink |
| 03:52.28 | Arrowmaster | so no hangover |
| 03:52.49 | Arrowmaster | i was exhausted and tired as hell though |
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| 05:24.34 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPLQKad4aa8 are people really stupid enough to publicly state somebody's full name when performing copyright infringement? |
| 05:28.41 | nevcairiel | Well someone else's name. :p |
| 05:35.48 | Neffi | maybe the somebody else bought them a legitimate copy as a gift? |
| 05:36.25 | nevcairiel | Still illegal to upload it to youtube in most countries |
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| 05:36.52 | karl_w_w | haha that last track is funny |
| 05:36.54 | Neffi | aye, but mentioning the name doesnt matter then |
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| 06:28.52 | jleclanche | Sometimes I buy an expensive mount or pet and suddenly feel poor |
| 06:28.54 | nevcairiel | hey Semlar you know such things, in which db file is the world map overlay mapping? (ie. the stuff you uncover with exploration usually) |
| 06:29.02 | jleclanche | then I remember that I have 10 Haunted Mementos in my alt's guild bank |
| 06:29.19 | nevcairiel | do they really sell for that much? |
| 06:29.27 | jleclanche | 30k a piece, at least |
| 06:29.39 | Maldivia | why? |
| 06:29.53 | jleclanche | they havent been obtainable since 2.3 |
| 06:29.59 | jleclanche | (or something like that) |
| 06:30.04 | nevcairiel | yeah you just got them for a short world event |
| 06:30.16 | nevcairiel | back then everyone had one following them around tho |
| 06:30.22 | jleclanche | ah yeah 3.0 actually |
| 06:30.29 | Maldivia | the scourge attack for 3.0 release event |
| 06:30.46 | jleclanche | and the best part: they're unique. people who didnt have the foresight to store them in guild banks didnt get in on the action |
| 06:31.06 | nevcairiel | i have like 4 or so on different chars |
| 06:31.20 | jleclanche | also nevcairiel I feel insulted |
| 06:31.34 | jleclanche | 1. it's WorldMapOverlay.dbc |
| 06:31.39 | jleclanche | 2. I know such things, not Semlar. |
| 06:31.44 | jleclanche | ~whaleslap Semlar |
| 06:31.44 | purl | ACTION beats Semlar upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 06:31.48 | nevcairiel | he is the guy that always messes with the map |
| 06:32.00 | nevcairiel | doing all kinds of crazy |
| 06:32.09 | jleclanche | he knows nothing. |
| 06:32.14 | nevcairiel | well then you can give me a script to parse it, right?! :) |
| 06:32.37 | jleclanche | i dont think its structure ever changed |
| 06:32.41 | jleclanche | http://www.pxr.dk/wowdev/wiki/index.php?title=WorldMapOverlay.dbc |
| 06:32.50 | nevcairiel | and i'll figure out how to build this casclib to get the file |
| 06:34.04 | jleclanche | also id get you a proper script but i really dont have the time |
| 06:34.19 | nevcairiel | didnt you have a github project full of such scripts |
| 06:34.22 | jleclanche | grab any old dbc parser and give it int int int str int int int int int int int int int |
| 06:34.35 | jleclanche | yeah jleclanche/pywow |
| 06:34.39 | jleclanche | they need fixing. |
| 06:36.25 | jleclanche | maybe I was looking at it wrong |
| 06:36.35 | jleclanche | maybe the files should just be converted to sqlite3 on the fly |
| 06:36.47 | nevcairiel | that might be a neat thing |
| 06:37.08 | jleclanche | its fairly simple, the problem is you would need a disk cache for it at the very least |
| 06:37.57 | jleclanche | the larger dbcs would take several seconds to parse and convert |
| 06:38.24 | nevcairiel | a script to convert them once would suffice, its not like they change on a hourly basis |
| 06:38.45 | jleclanche | they do tho when you reverse engineer them |
| 06:38.58 | jleclanche | the problem with conversion is its semi-lossy |
| 06:39.16 | jleclanche | when you convert a file you set its format in stone. if you didnt get the format right you are screwed |
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| 06:44.48 | nevcairiel | meh casclib doesnt build |
| 06:45.25 | nevcairiel | i bet he doesnt use the cmake file himself and its just out of date |
| 06:45.36 | jleclanche | file a bug please |
| 06:53.29 | nevcairiel | and the cascview binary he provides also doesn't do shit, qq |
| 06:55.28 | nebula169 | https://www.dropbox.com/s/ttvkz0dka5z9tyu/WorldMapOverlay.dbc need it? |
| 06:55.51 | nevcairiel | i would prefer to figure out how to get it out myself for the future, but sure |
| 06:56.29 | nebula169 | i use https://github.com/tomrus88/CASCExplorer |
| 06:57.06 | nevcairiel | lets see if that works |
| 06:57.56 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: you're on linux right? |
| 06:58.08 | nevcairiel | not right now, no |
| 06:58.12 | jleclanche | in wow |
| 06:58.18 | nevcairiel | generally no |
| 06:58.26 | jleclanche | to any wine player then: does the ingame browser work for you? |
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| 07:05.48 | nevcairiel | neat, i found a tiny dbc parser as a lua module, now i can build it in Lua :d |
| 07:05.58 | jleclanche | cool |
| 07:05.59 | jleclanche | link? |
| 07:06.21 | nevcairiel | i stole it from a svn repo of another addon |
| 07:06.50 | nevcairiel | ie. svn://svn.wowace.com/wow/talented_data/mainline/trunk/scripts |
| 07:07.09 | nevcairiel | lets see if it actually works |
| 07:07.18 | nevcairiel | (or still works for that matter) |
| 07:12.20 | bluspacecow | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1555281-Mods-activated-on-Beta?p=28789211&viewfull=1#post28789211 |
| 07:12.24 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.41 | rid_ | :) |
| 07:21.10 | Alram | im surprised you havent given up on mmoc forums yet bluspacecow :P |
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| 07:57.32 | nevcairiel | jleclanche: that Lua dbc module works fine. I manually build it directly into my Lua binary though, since building an external loadable module seemed kinda complicated =p |
| 08:04.28 | Semlar | nevcairiel: i've already exported the overlay information for the beta if you want it |
| 08:04.37 | nevcairiel | now i'm done |
| 08:04.41 | Semlar | ah |
| 08:04.53 | nevcairiel | and i made a script to generate it in the format i want it in for future builds, too |
| 08:05.05 | Shirik | I have determined that US airports suck |
| 08:05.07 | nevcairiel | although it looks mostly correct already, except tanaan not having anything |
| 08:05.08 | Semlar | yeah, there are overlays missing that must be added later |
| 08:05.15 | Shirik | and I could live at Heathrow |
| 08:05.25 | Semlar | there are some things you might want to remove from the overlay list though |
| 08:05.58 | Semlar | specifically.. blasted lands, which are areaID 19 |
| 08:06.23 | nevcairiel | whats wrong with blasted lands |
| 08:06.30 | Semlar | and the entries for the isle of thunder |
| 08:06.42 | nevcairiel | oh yeah i removed the isle, since for some reason it works backwards |
| 08:06.51 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/m8VzJDH.jpg |
| 08:07.03 | nevcairiel | looks cool |
| 08:07.35 | Semlar | i haven't figured out how the game actually determines whether a map should have overlays or not because apparently it isn't just whether they have an entry in that dbc file |
| 08:07.59 | Semlar | they must have some other way of turning them off |
| 08:08.19 | nevcairiel | maybe the players are just not flagged for discovered, and no way to discover them |
| 08:08.36 | Semlar | because they baked the blasted land's overlay textures into its base map and left the entries in there |
| 08:08.45 | Semlar | those textures don't even exist in game any more |
| 08:08.50 | nevcairiel | logs back in to look at blasted lands |
| 08:09.24 | Semlar | it's only by pure chance that i even noticed it |
| 08:09.42 | nevcairiel | hm no green for me |
| 08:09.56 | Semlar | that's because my addon is drawing the unexplored areas |
| 08:10.12 | Semlar | based on the fact that it's supposed to have overlays |
| 08:10.26 | nevcairiel | my addon is also drawing the unxplored stuff |
| 08:10.30 | nevcairiel | thats why i wanted them |
| 08:10.32 | Semlar | on the beta? |
| 08:10.33 | nevcairiel | but no green for me |
| 08:10.34 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 08:10.52 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:11.25 | nevcairiel | my addon hooks that and always returns 0, so that the default ui doesn't draw them anymore, but i manually draw them from the list then |
| 08:11.47 | Semlar | but that taints things! |
| 08:11.49 | Semlar | :| |
| 08:12.12 | nevcairiel | never was a problem |
| 08:12.34 | Semlar | anyway, the textures definitely don't exist |
| 08:12.51 | Semlar | i'm lookin at it right now |
| 08:13.42 | Gethe | https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-textures/tree/ptr/WorldMap/BLASTEDLANDS |
| 08:13.56 | nevcairiel | oh its BlastedLands_terrain1 |
| 08:14.03 | nevcairiel | i didnt extract any overlay info for that |
| 08:14.04 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 08:14.06 | nevcairiel | it was empty |
| 08:14.11 | bluspacecow | garrison minimap lies |
| 08:14.11 | nevcairiel | you mixed something up? |
| 08:14.44 | bluspacecow | he he tells me to turn it into Durotan who according to the map is out of the garrison to the south east |
| 08:14.51 | nevcairiel | I only have BlastedLands with data, which presumably is the old blasted lands |
| 08:14.54 | bluspacecow | when hes right by ma fire at the centre of the garrison |
| 08:15.46 | bluspacecow | squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee finally time to upgrade ma garrison |
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| 08:16.05 | Semlar | erm, i literally only look at WorldMapOverlay.dbc to extract information about the overlays |
| 08:16.43 | nevcairiel | well whatever map is used for the new blastedlands zone doesn't have any overlays in the dbc anymore |
| 08:16.45 | Semlar | the blasted lands map, which is area ID 19, has entries for it |
| 08:16.47 | nevcairiel | its not the one you used |
| 08:17.04 | nevcairiel | you must've had the old one, which you cannot reach ingame anymore |
| 08:17.06 | Semlar | are you not using the area to identify them? |
| 08:17.19 | nevcairiel | i cross-reference to WorldMapArea.dbc to get the name |
| 08:17.30 | Fisker | It's happening nevcairiel |
| 08:17.43 | nevcairiel | and then use GetMapInfo() |
| 08:17.44 | Semlar | so you're using the name from GetMapInfo |
| 08:18.03 | karl_w_w | hi Fisker |
| 08:18.09 | nevcairiel | Fisker: what is |
| 08:18.14 | karl_w_w | did you know that Tahiti is a magical place? |
| 08:18.19 | Fisker | I'm about to solve my routerception |
| 08:18.27 | Fisker | 3 routers is kind of overkill |
| 08:18.56 | bluspacecow | omg fisker |
| 08:19.05 | bluspacecow | y u so noodly ? |
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| 08:24.16 | Fisker | I am the best |
| 08:24.37 | bluspacecow | troofs |
| 08:24.58 | Semlar | does anyone know if enemy pets have a different nameplate color than friendly ones |
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| 08:25.32 | Semlar | i don't normally play with pet nameplates enabled |
| 08:30.07 | bluspacecow | mmmm |
| 08:30.16 | bluspacecow | on beta atm but will keep an eye out |
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| 08:37.50 | Semlar | i think enemy pets show up like aggressive npcs |
| 08:38.59 | Semlar | the blizzard plates have a bug where if you get mind controlled and a raid member's pet attacks you it won't necessarily ever hide the threat texture afterward |
| 08:39.44 | Semlar | so i'm going to rewrite it to ignore the threat indicator if it shows up on a friendly unit |
| 08:50.20 | mikma | karl_w_w: it sucked |
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| 09:09.06 | Shirik | so kd3 did you hear about the superprotect mess? |
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| 10:04.30 | Mr_Rabies | http://youtu.be/ND47fQ4qiBo |
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| 10:05.41 | nevcairiel | thats an ugly dog, totally worth looting |
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| 11:27.48 | Semlar | huh, if you don't call tooltip:SetHyperlink('unit:') before calling it on a new GUID it won't populate the tooltip the first time it's called |
| 11:28.14 | Semlar | it's not a cache issue, you can literally set the hyperlink to a blank unit first, and it'll work |
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| 11:31.48 | karl_w_w | pandora is a fuckin eejit |
| 11:32.12 | karl_w_w | keeps complaining that my account info is incorrect and when I put my postcode in it tells me it's invalid |
| 11:32.27 | karl_w_w | I think I know my own postcode you retards who don't know how to code a web form |
| 11:35.09 | Semlar | maybe it doesn't support your country |
| 11:35.48 | karl_w_w | it does, they added australia last year i think |
| 11:35.53 | karl_w_w | or the year before or something |
| 11:35.54 | Kalroth | Pandora is all; g'day m8, no strayans here, m8! |
| 11:36.00 | Semlar | Neffi: http://pastebin.com/ETyup5p3 y u do dis |
| 11:36.15 | karl_w_w | and you can't create an account if your country isn't allowed in :P |
| 11:36.33 | Kalroth | unless you use VPN or another kind of proxy |
| 11:37.09 | Semlar | pandora gets pissy when i suddenly appear to be in switzerland |
| 11:38.08 | karl_w_w | lol :D |
| 11:38.13 | karl_w_w | this email |
| 11:39.12 | karl_w_w | http://codepad.org/xqdl3ByZ |
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| 11:39.36 | karl_w_w | so what internet have I been using for the past 2 years? :P |
| 11:40.27 | Semlar | not cable |
| 11:41.58 | karl_w_w | well that's for sure, there is no cable in this city |
| 11:42.51 | Mr_Rabies | maaaaan i miss this show http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1407599870229.webm |
| 11:42.57 | Mr_Rabies | oops wrong channel, point still stands |
| 11:43.45 | karl_w_w | it looks crappy Mr_Rabies :P |
| 11:43.52 | Mr_Rabies | whaaaaaat |
| 11:43.58 | Mr_Rabies | look at those animation smears |
| 11:44.36 | Mr_Rabies | show's really good, and really well animated most of the time |
| 11:45.27 | Kalroth | is it hentai? |
| 11:45.32 | Mr_Rabies | (young justice btw, if you care) |
| 11:45.37 | Mr_Rabies | no? D: |
| 11:46.29 | Mr_Rabies | it's like the only show to do a teen angsty character in a great way |
| 11:50.09 | Semlar | sounds like you've never seen misfits |
| 11:51.11 | Mr_Rabies | in that superboy is constantly having to deal with being a science experiment, a "son" of superman that has to live in his shadow, yet superman really doesn't seem to want anything to do with him, and that his directionless fury constantly is self-defeating and he has to overcome it |
| 11:53.03 | Semlar | oooooh boy i don't think you can do tooltip scanning any more |
| 11:53.10 | Semlar | to detect if an NPC is in the cache |
| 11:53.25 | Semlar | it's caching any NPC i query |
| 11:56.46 | Simca | yay for addon databases |
| 11:56.53 | Simca | boo for outdated rare scanning addons |
| 11:56.55 | Semlar | this is going to effectively kill NPCScan, but it raises interesting possibilities |
| 11:57.52 | karl_w_w | I agree with everything Semlar has ever said, in the last 10 minutes |
| 11:57.52 | Semlar | you can create a tooltip for any NPC ID to scrape if you want something out of it for some reason |
| 12:01.15 | Simca | http://wowpedia.org/Patch_6.0.1/API_changes#Changes added some stuff about GetQuestLogTitle and LOOT_OPENED |
| 12:03.03 | Semlar | i don't think they added vignettes for old rares either |
| 12:03.13 | Simca | definitely didn't |
| 12:03.14 | karl_w_w | also buffy did angsty teenager |
| 12:03.31 | karl_w_w | somehow nobody remembers |
| 12:03.31 | Semlar | buffy is so underrated |
| 12:03.35 | Mr_Rabies | buffy wasn't really angsty |
| 12:03.47 | karl_w_w | all of season 2 |
| 12:04.01 | Mr_Rabies | also i never really believed she was a teenager, the whole school thing was like |
| 12:04.19 | Mr_Rabies | "she's clearly over like 20, what is this" |
| 12:04.47 | Semlar | tries to calm mr_rabies down |
| 12:05.09 | Mr_Rabies | also hearing nolan north rage out as superboy is great |
| 12:05.11 | Mr_Rabies | nolan north owns |
| 12:05.30 | Mr_Rabies | i thought i'd hate superboy because angsty characters are usually such a drag |
| 12:05.51 | Mr_Rabies | but this is by some of the guys that did Gargoyles, Spectacular Spider-Man, etc |
| 12:07.24 | karl_w_w | so i started watching agents of shield, it's ok, very sad the guy who played gunn was only a first episode guest |
| 12:07.43 | karl_w_w | trying to understand how this show got better reviews than arrow though |
| 12:08.10 | karl_w_w | some of the scenes have been really poor technically |
| 12:09.21 | Mr_Rabies | did it? |
| 12:09.38 | Mr_Rabies | arrow s2 had almost universal acclaim from what i've seen |
| 12:09.39 | karl_w_w | I think so |
| 12:09.49 | Mr_Rabies | whereas agents of shield was mixed until the last few eps of season 1 |
| 12:10.03 | Mr_Rabies | (arrow S1 was certainly mixed, with good reason) |
| 12:10.07 | Semlar | interestingly, this also means model:SetCreature works for things you haven't seen yet now |
| 12:10.20 | Mr_Rabies | those huntress episodes were almost unwatchable |
| 12:10.35 | Simca | Semlar: that's sort of nice |
| 12:10.53 | Simca | i just used DisplayID in the past as a workaround, like most people |
| 12:10.54 | Semlar | you may have to force it to cache the npc first to request the information from the server |
| 12:11.08 | Semlar | like item tooltips |
| 12:11.51 | Simca | funnily enough blizz seems to be keeping a tighter lid on items this expansion |
| 12:12.01 | Simca | item scanning gives very very few IDs not in item-sparse already |
| 12:13.21 | Mr_Rabies | if you liked arrow you should totally watch young justice, karl_w_w, it owns - it's on netflix instant watch in the US...at least season 1 is? i forget if S2 is |
| 12:13.40 | Simca | will be a lot more when the encounter journal has loot entries though i guess |
| 12:15.00 | Semlar | i find it interesting that SetCreature caches the NPC because there can be different skins for the same model |
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| 12:15.54 | Simca | Creatures aren't based on models |
| 12:16.06 | Simca | they're based on DisplayIDs which use specific model + texture combos |
| 12:16.29 | Semlar | two creatures with the same NPC ID can have different models |
| 12:16.42 | Semlar | at LEAST based on gender, i'm pretty sure based on skin textures too |
| 12:16.54 | Semlar | because i know some hunter pets could change skins |
| 12:17.06 | Semlar | which means the NPC you tamed could do it too |
| 12:17.09 | VIad | hmm, regarding LFR, I always thought it was odd that the small warning icon only displays what you are saved for - but not what is still available for you to loot - not everyone can remember all the bosses in each part of the raids :D |
| 12:18.00 | karl_w_w | it's pretty rare that I find a western cartoon worth watching Mr_Rabies |
| 12:18.09 | Mr_Rabies | most of the DC ones are really good |
| 12:18.13 | karl_w_w | king of the hill is the only real one |
| 12:18.27 | Semlar | futurama, the simpsons |
| 12:18.48 | karl_w_w | both good but I won't go out of my way to watch them |
| 12:19.02 | Mr_Rabies | Batman TAS, Superman TAS, Batman Beyond, Justice League, JLU, Batman Brave and the Bold, Green Lantern TAS, and Young Justice are all great |
| 12:19.18 | Semlar | there's probably something that's aired on adult swim that's entertaining |
| 12:19.21 | Mr_Rabies | teen titans can be spotty at times and hasn't aged really well in a lot of areas |
| 12:19.44 | karl_w_w | I've heard rick and morty is good |
| 12:19.48 | Mr_Rabies | but it's good if you can handle the pseudo-anime jokes in the first season and the...floundering story until mid-season 2 |
| 12:19.54 | Mr_Rabies | rick and morty is amazing |
| 12:20.02 | Semlar | i also find it interesting that the models in the pet journal clearly need to be cached now |
| 12:20.24 | Semlar | if you open the pet journal and try and click through a few pets, it obviously doesn't update the model |
| 12:20.42 | Mr_Rabies | is "now" since they've enabled addons on the beta or since a recent beta patch, Semlar? |
| 12:20.53 | Mr_Rabies | if it's the latter it might not be intended? |
| 12:21.03 | Semlar | i doubt this is a recent addition |
| 12:21.42 | Semlar | i'd have to look at what the pet journal is actually doing, because i could have sworn it used display IDs on live |
| 12:21.54 | Semlar | or maybe pets are just automatically cached |
| 12:22.10 | VIad | LOOT_READY |
| 12:22.11 | VIad | finally! |
| 12:22.17 | Semlar | and the switch to the CASC system has changed how they are cached |
| 12:22.20 | karl_w_w | loots VIad |
| 12:22.26 | VIad | loots karl_w_w |
| 12:22.35 | karl_w_w | has no drops |
| 12:22.52 | Mr_Rabies | if you ever want suggestions for a DC-related animated thing lemme know, karl_w_w, i've seen almost all of it including the movies |
| 12:23.14 | Mr_Rabies | (The Batman Beyond movie is probably the best western animated movie) |
| 12:23.40 | Mr_Rabies | well, it's actually animated in japan but you know |
| 12:23.48 | Mr_Rabies | most of the animation crew worked on Akira |
| 12:24.34 | Mr_Rabies | there's a sequence with an orbital laser cannon that's done by the guy that did the orbital laser cannon sequence in akira and it totally shows |
| 12:24.59 | Semlar | well this is interesting, because the pet journal is using the display ID |
| 12:25.13 | Semlar | and only falling back on SetCreature if the display id isn't being provided |
| 12:25.57 | Semlar | so either it's not providing the display ID for pets or that model needs to be cached now |
| 12:28.15 | Semlar | it's just giving 0 for the displayID for pets |
| 12:28.27 | VIad | ugh... why isnt the black prince drop chance buff still enabled? |
| 12:28.28 | Simca | <Semlar> or maybe pets are just automatically cached |
| 12:28.34 | Simca | all pets are cached when the journal is opened |
| 12:28.40 | Simca | for the first time |
| 12:29.03 | Simca | it's something special C-side for the Blizzard_PetJournal addon |
| 12:29.18 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.40 | Mr_Rabies | i really don't get what they're doing with the black prince and valor buffs, vlad |
| 12:29.42 | Simca | interesting |
| 12:29.46 | Semlar | so it's falling back on SetCreature |
| 12:29.52 | Mr_Rabies | why not just make them up 100% of the time |
| 12:30.02 | Semlar | and the model for SetCreature is definitely not already cached for them |
| 12:30.05 | Simca | DisplayIDs across WoWDB have been 0 since last monday's build, I assumed it was a bug |
| 12:30.14 | Simca | could still be, but interesting coincidence |
| 12:30.31 | VIad | the expansion is dead, subs all time low, no incentive to raid and farm the LFR for the cloak quest, it's dead content that is only worth to be checked out at this point for vanity sake :p |
| 12:30.35 | Semlar | if you click through a few pets it's obvious the model isn't already there for it |
| 12:31.05 | Semlar | because it just keeps the model of the last pet when you select one you haven't selected before |
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| 12:31.38 | Simca | Also Semlar, btw, I think the tooltip not caching the NPC was a long standing bug |
| 12:32.09 | Simca | I'm not 100% sure, but I know if you look in the code, there is an unused function to cache NPCs |
| 12:32.17 | Semlar | you mean not filling the tooltip with npc information has been a bug since like, forever |
| 12:32.29 | Simca | yeah, that's my guess |
| 12:32.34 | Semlar | i just assumed that's how it was supposed to work |
| 12:33.18 | Semlar | i think at some point it has to be considered a feature |
| 12:33.55 | Simca | Maybe make a forum post with a request for an NPCIsCached function or something |
| 12:34.05 | Simca | it shouldn't be difficult considering they already use that code a lot |
| 12:34.47 | Semlar | i've always felt cache scanning was sort of a grey area |
| 12:35.10 | Simca | I wrote the first guide to timeless isle chests |
| 12:36.28 | Simca | and to pin down two of the chests, I would look up the ID for the chest in the hex of gameobjectcache.wdb, and then delete it, log in, move to a new spot, logout, delete it, log in, move to a new spot, etc. |
| 12:36.49 | Simca | I had like 10 overlapping maps of the Isle with yellow circles I drew on them representing the object cache radius |
| 12:37.01 | Simca | for the ultimate in ghetto triangulation |
| 12:37.33 | Simca | took like 3 hours but it was hilarious |
| 12:40.02 | Simca | haha I still have 2 pics in my pictures folder from that |
| 12:40.23 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/hgEN02d.png http://i.imgur.com/hgEN02d.png |
| 12:40.36 | Simca | err http://i.imgur.com/M8M23gy.png second pic |
| 12:43.54 | Alram | ur a haker Simca |
| 12:44.01 | Alram | get bant |
| 12:44.02 | Semlar | yer a wizard |
| 12:45.39 | Simca | i would almost probably never violate the ToS |
| 12:49.58 | p3lim | vignettes will only be for new rares, right? |
| 12:50.04 | p3lim | not applied retroactively |
| 12:50.10 | Semlar | yep |
| 12:50.21 | p3lim | then npcscan is pretty much dead I guess |
| 12:50.37 | p3lim | at least the current state of it |
| 12:50.39 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure i have a list of every vignette and that means nothing before pandaria |
| 12:50.58 | p3lim | even in pandaria with the exception of timeless isle |
| 12:51.08 | Simca | Tooltip scanning only gained you 5-10 yards over target scanning |
| 12:51.14 | Semlar | no there are vignettes outside of timeless isle on pandaria |
| 12:51.51 | Simca | NPCScan can convert to the system that SilverDragon uses for rare scanning, which incorporates target scanning and tooltip scanning atm |
| 12:52.00 | Semlar | i don't think there is a rare in pandaria that doesn't have a vignette |
| 12:52.09 | Semlar | but i haven't checked all of them |
| 12:52.15 | p3lim | that must be new |
| 12:52.19 | Semlar | no |
| 12:52.22 | Mr_Rabies | i use npcscanoverlay and silverdragon myself with vignette/cache checking only |
| 12:52.35 | p3lim | I can't recall having vignettes on my minimap while I was still playing |
| 12:52.39 | Semlar | ever since they added vignettes, they gave one for all of the rares in pandaria |
| 12:52.48 | p3lim | I stopped when ToT came out |
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| 12:52.59 | Mr_Rabies | since npcscan was in such a state of flux for a while, i moved to silverdragon and never moved back :p |
| 12:53.00 | Semlar | well, they added vignettes with timeless isle so |
| 12:53.05 | p3lim | then that's new :p |
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| 12:53.08 | p3lim | atleast new-ish |
| 12:53.20 | Semlar | but they at least retroactively gave them to pandaria rares |
| 12:53.25 | Semlar | just nothing before that |
| 12:53.49 | Simca | It wouldn't be horribly difficult to give them to every rare everywhere. |
| 12:53.52 | Mr_Rabies | they should probably split rare spawns and "rare" spawns somehow at some point |
| 12:54.07 | Simca | Blizzard could do it with a simple SQL script even |
| 12:54.17 | p3lim | they could, but they probably wont |
| 12:54.17 | Semlar | well, they seem to be adding them by hand |
| 12:54.28 | Mr_Rabies | i.e. true rare spawns versus the timeless isle ones that are pretty much predictable, time wise, and the timer is short |
| 12:54.29 | Semlar | because half of the god damn vignettes are spelled wrong |
| 12:54.38 | Simca | Semlar: yeah, which is dumb |
| 12:54.53 | Simca | it's just standard information like name, ID, and vignette type (which can be systematically determined easily) |
| 12:54.55 | Mr_Rabies | really? spelling is wrong? |
| 12:54.58 | Semlar | i can't believe they aren't just using their npc ids |
| 12:55.10 | Simca | it's blizzard, you're lucky they don't mispell WoW.exe |
| 12:55.17 | Mr_Rabies | i've seen like Jim-Bob in the vignette versus Jim'Bob in the actual name, etc |
| 12:55.28 | Mr_Rabies | but never like Jim Bobb |
| 12:55.30 | Semlar | i mean, yeah i guess the event vignettes would have to be done by hand |
| 12:55.37 | p3lim | "hilight" is still the name of many textures in the game :p |
| 12:55.44 | Semlar | but the NPC names should definitely match |
| 12:55.56 | Mr_Rabies | there's a rogue ability that totally mangles spelling on something, lemme see which |
| 12:55.58 | Simca | and nothing pre-Pandaria would need an event vignette |
| 12:56.07 | Simca | so easy SQL script is still a go |
| 12:56.09 | Mr_Rabies | i think maybe glyph of fan of knives? |
| 12:56.37 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=146628/glyph-of-sharpened-knives |
| 12:56.53 | Mr_Rabies | >Your Fan of Kinves also damages the armor of its victims, applying 1 application of the Weakened Armor effect to each target. |
| 12:56.57 | p3lim | dat tooltip |
| 12:57.01 | Mr_Rabies | that's like |
| 12:57.07 | Mr_Rabies | run this stuff through a spellcheck guys |
| 12:57.14 | Mr_Rabies | kinves will be picked up! |
| 12:57.24 | Mr_Rabies | or should be, unless you broke something horribly |
| 12:57.29 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/EnjtKvF3 every one of these with a name in its comment has a vignette name that doesn't match its NPC name |
| 12:57.42 | Semlar | and that's just for english |
| 12:57.53 | p3lim | have fun translating all that Semlar :p |
| 12:58.20 | p3lim | you collected those manually? |
| 12:59.01 | Semlar | well, i wrote a script that scraped wowhead for one pass and then fixed what i could by hand |
| 12:59.17 | Semlar | i'm not 100% sure all of the npc ids are correct |
| 12:59.25 | Semlar | because i haven't gone through the entire list |
| 12:59.27 | p3lim | many of those names seem temporary tho |
| 12:59.36 | Semlar | it won't matter |
| 13:00.11 | Semlar | i have the npc IDs tied to the vignette ids so if they change the name it will be quite easy to update |
| 13:00.54 | Semlar | i can also export the names in any language |
| 13:01.05 | p3lim | true |
| 13:01.10 | Semlar | because apparently the file is in all the languages in my client |
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| 13:02.31 | Semlar | anyway, the point of all this nonsense is just so i can make a functional /targeting macro and display a model |
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| 13:03.13 | p3lim | the warnings themselves don't need all this I suppose |
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| 13:03.25 | Semlar | no |
| 13:03.36 | p3lim | vignette shows up, get the name from tooltip and display warning, done |
| 13:03.55 | Semlar | well, get "a" name from the vignette |
| 13:04.05 | p3lim | huh? |
| 13:04.08 | Semlar | after this http://i.imgur.com/NF61wMf.jpg i decided that wasn't going to cut it |
| 13:04.26 | p3lim | oh lol |
| 13:04.43 | Semlar | can't even make a partial /tar macro out of that |
| 13:05.11 | Semlar | the name doesn't match the npc name at all |
| 13:05.26 | p3lim | yeah, but that one was one of the ones I said seemed temporarily |
| 13:05.40 | p3lim | s/temporarily/temporary |
| 13:05.51 | Semlar | there are typos in some of the pandaria names |
| 13:06.25 | Semlar | like Bai'Jin the Butcher instead of Bai-Jin the Butcher |
| 13:07.44 | Semlar | i know some of the draenor rare names are definitely not finalized |
| 13:07.49 | p3lim | didn't they change how rares worked tho? like you could only get loot from them once, but they respawn faster? |
| 13:08.09 | p3lim | atleast seemed so with the draenor ones |
| 13:08.29 | Semlar | the draenor rares seem to respawn within minutes |
| 13:08.43 | Semlar | i don't know if all of them are like that, or just the ones i've ran into |
| 13:08.50 | p3lim | yeah, I tried killing the same one 3 times, only got loot the first time |
| 13:08.56 | p3lim | not even gold the second or third time |
| 13:09.20 | p3lim | I guess you'd add them to a blacklist once you've killed them |
| 13:09.46 | Semlar | i am fairly sure the vignettes have quests associated with them |
| 13:10.06 | Semlar | and you can check whether they've been completed or not if you have the quest id |
| 13:10.19 | p3lim | haven't seen a single rare being part of a quest tho |
| 13:10.29 | Semlar | they aren't visible quests |
| 13:10.45 | Semlar | they're like this http://beta.wowhead.com/quest=35847 |
| 13:10.55 | p3lim | oh |
| 13:11.04 | p3lim | that is interesting |
| 13:11.07 | Semlar | and get flagged as completed when you kill the mob |
| 13:11.34 | Semlar | i'm also pretty sure these exist for the timeless isle rares and are marked as dailies or something so they drop more the first time you kill them that day |
| 13:12.13 | Simca | yeah |
| 13:12.36 | Semlar | http://beta.wowhead.com/quest=33300 |
| 13:13.00 | Semlar | there's also http://beta.wowhead.com/quest=33275 |
| 13:14.24 | Semlar | http://beta.wowhead.com/quest=34843 now this is interesting because it actually has rewards |
| 13:15.19 | Ressy | Chillfang is also a target for a horde quest I believe. |
| 13:22.53 | bluspacecow | hi2u Ressy |
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| 14:24.21 | Industrial | dumb question: I cant mail my boas cross server/faction right? I have to pay blizzard like 50/100 euros? |
| 14:24.41 | Industrial | to do a char transfer |
| 14:24.45 | Kultzi | you can |
| 14:25.06 | Industrial | ! |
| 14:25.08 | Industrial | how |
| 14:25.30 | VIad | Semlar: for real? |
| 14:25.59 | Kultzi | if you want to send them to another realm you need to specify the realm in the recipient box |
| 14:26.11 | Kultzi | for example ironi-lightning's blade |
| 14:26.24 | Kultzi | but you can only send boa items |
| 14:26.31 | Industrial | wow, that's awesome man! you just saved me a whole round of JP farming |
| 14:30.06 | VIad | Kultzi: you play on lightning's blade? |
| 14:30.18 | Kultzi | yea |
| 14:30.24 | VIad | horde? |
| 14:30.29 | Industrial | hm |
| 14:30.36 | Kultzi | yea, why? |
| 14:30.45 | Industrial | if I type in Lightbringer-Oomdagobert it says it can not find the realm |
| 14:31.02 | VIad | Kultzi: I had an alliance many years ago, was just checking :P |
| 14:31.13 | Kultzi | is Oomdagobert really a valid realm name O.o |
| 14:31.26 | Industrial | oh, nick-realm not realm-nick |
| 14:31.31 | Kultzi | yeah :D |
| 14:37.00 | VIad | naughty me |
| 14:37.07 | VIad | tooltip scanning 1-90000 npcs :p |
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| 15:39.39 | jleclanche | VIad: on wod? |
| 15:39.46 | VIad | yes |
| 15:39.49 | jleclanche | k |
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| 17:00.01 | kd3 | Shirik: superprotect? what hare-brained idea is enwiki trying now? |
| 17:01.04 | kd3 | oh, huh. it's not from enwiki, it's from wmf |
| 17:16.50 | zenzelezz | cool... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA4Za3Hv6ng |
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| 17:53.48 | karl_w_w | did he say a 6D camera path? |
| 17:54.07 | karl_w_w | microsoft literally inventing dimensions |
| 17:59.29 | zenzelezz | didn't catch that, but I'd imagine it would be six directions of movement, like in games - up, down, back, forward, left, right |
| 18:00.26 | Arrowmaster | if they went that far then it seems silly they left out rotation |
| 18:01.03 | zenzelezz | like I said, I didn't catch the 6D part, so I was merely making a guess |
| 18:02.00 | Gnarfoz | probably meant an actual 6D |
| 18:03.12 | TC-Work | No, that sounded like Dimensions to me. |
| 18:03.38 | Fisker | Gnarfoz |
| 18:07.55 | Arrowmaster | they didnt answer the real question, how long does it take to render and is it feasible to do on a home computer |
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| 18:08.31 | TC-Work | feasible is subjective. So is 'home computer'. |
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| 18:13.01 | zenzelezz | to me it sounded more like a tech experiment/demo than something (at present) intended for Joe Average |
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| 18:23.38 | nevcairiel | On the website it says they are working on preparing a application for windows |
| 18:23.47 | nevcairiel | To make it available |
| 18:45.28 | Dagmar | It's Microsoft. |
| 18:45.45 | Dagmar | The only thing you can safe to be true is that you're looking at a Microsoft rep. |
| 18:45.47 | Dagmar | Most of the time. |
| 18:46.00 | Dagmar | er you safely assume to be true |
| 18:46.04 | Dagmar | Sometimes I words. |
| 18:52.42 | TC-Work | If that's MS, I bet they are leveraging the photosynth tech. |
| 18:55.25 | karl_w_w | yeah just after the 1 minute mark |
| 18:55.30 | karl_w_w | he says 6D camera path |
| 18:55.47 | Dagmar | This is nothing new, and they don't do it well anyway. |
| 18:57.29 | karl_w_w | let's guess, XYZ location for 3D, time 4th dimension, facing 5th dimension, then what? |
| 18:57.53 | karl_w_w | camera rotation? |
| 18:59.30 | foxlit | XYZ and pitch/roll/yaw would make more sense. Time would be covered by âpath" |
| 19:04.08 | Neffi_ | karl_w_w: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_freedom |
| 19:04.21 | Neffi_ | standard way of figuring out your position when floating in 3D space requires 6 numbers |
| 19:04.35 | Neffi_ | well, not just position but orientation too |
| 19:07.45 | karl_w_w | anyone know where this is from? https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1389/16/1389162648161.gif |
| 19:08.05 | Dagmar | Somewhere dark and gruesome, judging from the hostname |
| 19:10.28 | Neffi_ | oh god |
| 19:17.52 | karl_w_w | maybe Arrowmaster knows |
| 19:17.58 | karl_w_w | I should highlight Arrowmaster |
| 19:18.21 | Arrowmaster | no clue |
| 19:21.31 | TC-Work | karl_w_w: Looks like Vividred Operation |
| 19:21.43 | kd3 | that was my first reaction |
| 19:22.34 | TC-Work | "Bright, energetic, honest and very athletic, she does have an odd habit of putting mayonnaise on anything she eats. " |
| 19:22.38 | TC-Work | Well that explains it. |
| 19:23.04 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 19:23.45 | karl_w_w | I have never seen mayo come out of a bottle like that |
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| 19:24.15 | karl_w_w | Rating 3.40 (735) (weighted) ouch |
| 19:24.41 | kd3 | it was pretty bad |
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| 19:39.38 | Stanzilla | Cairenn: tracking id 000037 was in badge 1, right? |
| 19:39.46 | Cairenn | yes |
| 19:39.59 | Stanzilla | ok thanks |
| 19:40.12 | Cairenn | check your account, not everyone seems to be getting emails |
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| 19:50.05 | foxlit | Suppose you have a macro like /use 13 /castsequence Living Bomb, Combustion, Inferno Blast ; can you get it to display the spells instead of the trinket? |
| 19:50.44 | Gethe | #showtooltip <spell> |
| 19:51.09 | Gethe | other than that i dont think so |
| 19:53.40 | foxlit | Iâm contemplating adding #skip [conditional] to ignore the next command for feedback, so something like #skip /use 13 /castsequence ... |
| 19:54.43 | karl_w_w | it would be awesome if you could put #showtooltip but before the line you wanted it to use |
| 19:55.05 | karl_w_w | so /use 13 #showtooltip /castsequence Living Bomb, Combustion, Inferno Blast |
| 19:57.09 | foxlit | somewhat conflicting with current syntax, but could do that too. |
| 19:58.27 | Neffi_ | having #skips all over the place will make complicated macros hard to read. karl's idea is better, imo |
| 19:58.49 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/aEeR5Mk.png heh |
| 19:59.24 | foxlit | Neffi_: whatâs a complicated macro? |
| 20:00.36 | Neffi_ | a macro with 4+ long-ish lines |
| 20:00.51 | foxlit | examples! :) |
| 20:01.45 | Neffi_ | I have about a dozen examples on my druid, but I dont really feel like logging onto him |
| 20:02.46 | TC-Work | Just give foxlit you un/pw and he will look for himself :p |
| 20:02.50 | TC-Work | your* |
| 20:03.26 | Neffi_ | o.o |
| 20:03.38 | Neffi_ | they're all saved locally anyway! |
| 20:03.48 | foxlit | so you donât even have to log in. |
| 20:03.50 | karl_w_w | #showtooltip /petassist [mod:alt] /clearfocus [mod:alt] /stopmacro [mod:alt] /cast [mod:shift]Presence of Mind /cast [mod:ctrl,@focus,harm][]Polymorph /focus [nomod:ctrl] /petfollow |
| 20:04.35 | foxlit | I think that requires approximately 1 #skip on the PoM. |
| 20:05.16 | karl_w_w | yeah, but what if it was a macro to use PoM offensively with a spell power trinket? |
| 20:05.26 | karl_w_w | then I'd need 2 #skips, maybe they wouldn't fit |
| 20:05.33 | foxlit | Thereâs no length limit. |
| 20:05.41 | karl_w_w | hm |
| 20:05.50 | karl_w_w | still, it could get messy |
| 20:06.31 | Simca | wow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15E3-Motl5U is extremely impressive |
| 20:07.12 | karl_w_w | that example actually works cos showtooltip follows the logic of the macros |
| 20:07.17 | Simca | ah that was linked here earlier, heh |
| 20:08.21 | foxlit | I think this basically needs the opposite of #skip, as in âthis is really important to meâ |
| 20:08.54 | karl_w_w | yeah, hence my idea |
| 20:09.01 | karl_w_w | sometimes though that wouldn't work: |
| 20:09.24 | karl_w_w | #showtooltip [mod:shift]Time Warp;Icy Veins /cast Icy Veins /cast [mod:shift]Time Warp /run UIErrorsFrame:Clear() |
| 20:10.15 | foxlit | so basically /cast Icy Veins #important /cast [mod:shift] Time Warp |
| 20:10.55 | karl_w_w | then how does it know what to show if I'm not holding shift? :P |
| 20:11.37 | karl_w_w | maybe skip works better now, thinking about it |
| 20:11.41 | Neffi_ | I didn't get the breadcrumb quest. What's the first area in Sholazar Basin I should visit as Horde? |
| 20:12.02 | kd3 | the whole chain's neutral iirc |
| 20:12.32 | kd3 | it should go from dalaran to nesingwary base camp |
| 20:12.47 | karl_w_w | because the #showtooltip is actually perfect at everything except things with no icd that you try every time you press the macro like the /use trinket example |
| 20:13.14 | karl_w_w | s/icd/gcd/ |
| 20:13.24 | foxlit | karl_w_w: if youâre not holding shift, the second cast provides no feedback, so what youâre left with is the hint from the first one. |
| 20:13.56 | karl_w_w | yeah but if I had a third cast it would have to choose |
| 20:14.57 | Stanzilla | Cairenn: what to do when there is nothing on the account? wait for next wave? |
| 20:14.59 | foxlit | could you show an example of that? |
| 20:16.25 | Cairenn | Stanzilla: verify that the b.net addy you gave me was valid and if not, I'll [re-]send the [corrected] info in my next batch on Friday. PM me and I'll tell you the addy that was sent. |
| 20:16.58 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.20 | karl_w_w | you could make it more complicated by using a trinket |
| 20:17.45 | karl_w_w | in this case you could just reorder your macro actually |
| 20:17.57 | karl_w_w | trying to think of a case where you couldn't |
| 20:18.26 | karl_w_w | the reason time warp has to go after here is that it triggers gcd |
| 20:19.41 | karl_w_w | so you'd need a combo of spells, first can't be used during gcd, second triggers gcd, and third can be used during gcd but you want it to get the benefit of second's effect if you use it |
| 20:20.43 | foxlit | the first you try to cast always, the second on a modifier, and the third if...? |
| 20:21.03 | karl_w_w | the third always I suppose |
| 20:21.50 | karl_w_w | maybe some pet ability would take the third spot |
| 20:22.00 | karl_w_w | that's a possible use case |
| 20:22.13 | foxlit | And what would you want to actually show on the action bar? |
| 20:22.51 | karl_w_w | probably the second if you're holding the modifier, otherwise the first |
| 20:22.59 | karl_w_w | but I can't speak for everybody :P |
| 20:24.08 | foxlit | thatâs okay, weâre just trying to figure out whether itâs expressive enough. In your case, #important on the second /cast would make it behave like you want. |
| 20:25.20 | karl_w_w | this would all be possible to specify in the #showtooltip conditionals though |
| 20:25.36 | karl_w_w | which is why I've gone backwards to say #skip is probably best |
| 20:27.19 | karl_w_w | cos if you had say /use 13 /cast [mod:shift]something /castsequence things; all you'd need is a skip in front of the /use |
| 20:28.24 | karl_w_w | #showtooltip would be default then show 'something' when you hold shift, otherwise the next castsequence thing |
| 20:28.43 | foxlit | yes. |
| 20:29.34 | karl_w_w | another alternative would be just #1, #2 etc for a priority order |
| 20:29.44 | foxlit | Something like /use 13 /use 14 /cast Off-GCD Buff 1 /cast Off-GCD Buff 2 /cast Off-GCD Buff 3 /casequence Burst, Spells, Here would be inconvinient with just #skip |
| 20:32.12 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 20:34.00 | karl_w_w | but if you had that much going on there would probably not be a suitable choice for showtooltip anyway :P |
| 20:34.37 | foxlit | the castsequence; all the pre-buffing is just incidental. |
| 20:35.03 | karl_w_w | surely you know what's in the cast sequence, it's the cooldowns you care about |
| 20:35.42 | karl_w_w | or maybe you want it to show the cast sequence only when one or some of the buffs are up |
| 20:35.51 | foxlit | dunno, I thought the pattern was âI really want to press a single button and use cooldowns whenever theyâre up.â |
| 20:36.04 | karl_w_w | sometimes |
| 20:36.17 | Arrowmaster | it feels good to tell a recruiter that im not currently interested in his low paying position even though im unemployed, trying to offer me $14.20/h |
| 20:36.29 | karl_w_w | in pve it varies, in pvp you want to have your CDs ready of course |
| 20:38.52 | foxlit | maybe eventually itâd be nice to show you a secondary cooldown on an action button |
| 20:39.08 | foxlit | âYour Time Warp is ready, but Icy Veins requires 25 more seconds.â |
| 20:40.35 | Neffi_ | I think that's moving towards the domain of a proper cooldown display |
| 20:41.17 | Neffi | I mean, action buttons have limited space and there's only so many effects and glyphs you can overlay before the information density is just too high to be useful |
| 20:41.42 | Semlar | i'll take one button with everything on it |
| 20:41.53 | Neffi | hands Semlar a slap |
| 20:42.10 | Semlar | :( |
| 20:42.38 | foxlit | you just need bigger buttons :P |
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| 20:44.03 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.04 | Neffi | ideally the button should be very big, like approaching the size of the whole screen. it should be segmented into sub-buttons and glyphs that display info for various things it controls, and underneath all that can be layered a viewport for the game world |
| 20:44.24 | Mr_Rabies | honestly, foxlit |
| 20:44.30 | Mr_Rabies | i like it |
| 20:44.46 | Neffi | so few buttons |
| 20:45.22 | Mr_Rabies | with proper state shifting based on modifier you should totally be able to get by with that |
| 20:45.34 | Neffi | brb, writing my idea. gonna call it WorldFrame, sound good? |
| 20:45.36 | Mr_Rabies | (and opie wouldn't hurt) |
| 20:46.02 | Neffi | Mr_Rabies: As a druid myself, hell no. Unless feral PvP is just that much more complicated than... resto? |
| 20:46.03 | Semlar | especially if one button executes your entire rotation for you |
| 20:46.38 | Mr_Rabies | i mean |
| 20:46.39 | Mr_Rabies | not now |
| 20:46.50 | Mr_Rabies | but in WoD |
| 20:47.01 | Neffi | My druid uses 16 unique buttons + all 3 modifiers for most of them, and shift+ctrl on a couple of them |
| 20:47.23 | Neffi | I dont think I could get by with a simple 3 button mouse at all |
| 20:48.11 | karl_w_w | aw man |
| 20:48.13 | Mr_Rabies | i'm feral, and with clever macro use i probably use maybe 16 action buttons nowadays? |
| 20:48.18 | karl_w_w | you guys are making me miss BC feral |
| 20:48.25 | Mr_Rabies | not that feral doesn't have way too many buttons |
| 20:48.26 | karl_w_w | now that was complicated |
| 20:48.35 | Mr_Rabies | eh not really, it's more complicated now |
| 20:48.38 | foxlit | Generally, I think any pve rotation, sans cooldowns, fits within ~6 buttons, some macros, and some modifiers. |
| 20:48.53 | Mr_Rabies | well, if you're going dream of cenarius, at least |
| 20:48.56 | Semlar | maybe just the damage rotation |
| 20:49.07 | Semlar | you sure couldn't play effectively with 6 buttons |
| 20:49.14 | kullervo | Neffi: I raise: 16 unique buttons and a modifier on my mouse alone, and I use them all |
| 20:49.16 | Mr_Rabies | and if you can handle the complexity, dream of cenarius is awesome |
| 20:49.30 | Neffi | Mr_Rabies: PvE or PvP? |
| 20:49.39 | Neffi | I don't have the luxury of macroing abilities together |
| 20:49.42 | Mr_Rabies | pve |
| 20:49.55 | Mr_Rabies | no one does rbgs on my realm and arenas suck |
| 20:49.56 | foxlit | DoC is just a /cast [@player] Healing Touch macro in a ring somewhere. |
| 20:49.56 | Neffi | I need any given ability to be usable by itself at any given time |
| 20:50.10 | Neffi | Plus items, engineering enchants, etc |
| 20:50.24 | Mr_Rabies | i mean, my action bars have way more than that on it |
| 20:50.26 | Neffi | kullervo: wow. druid? |
| 20:50.29 | Mr_Rabies | but i use probably 16 buttons regularly |
| 20:50.39 | Mr_Rabies | in combat |
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| 20:51.03 | Neffi | Specifically I'm talking about 16 unique keys I press. If I count the amount of unique actions (that is shift-R is unique from R), it's probably in the 60s |
| 20:51.08 | karl_w_w | Neffi, for optimal play many classes need both |
| 20:51.21 | kullervo | Neffi: paladin |
| 20:51.27 | karl_w_w | individual spells, and some of them macroed together |
| 20:51.39 | Neffi | nah, actually 53 |
| 20:51.50 | Neffi | if I counted correctly by memory alone |
| 20:51.53 | Mr_Rabies | i personally can't wait for all of the QoL changes for feral in WoD |
| 20:52.13 | Mr_Rabies | losing like 100k dps because i can't shred is the worst |
| 20:52.19 | karl_w_w | can you play feral and look like you're in humanoid form yet? :P |
| 20:52.27 | Semlar | yes |
| 20:52.35 | Neffi | no. we got some god-forsaken Worgen-esque form instead, karl_w_w |
| 20:52.48 | foxlit | also, wtf, I liked passive savage roar. |
| 20:52.49 | kullervo | Neffi: mouseover macros both attacks and heals, and ground-targeted spells |
| 20:52.54 | Neffi | it's a level 100 talent. it's basically cat form but it can use some humanoid-form spells without shifting out |
| 20:53.00 | Mr_Rabies | tbh, feral is a mess with humanoid forms |
| 20:53.03 | karl_w_w | damn you semlar getting my hopes up just so Neffi can crush them :P |
| 20:53.13 | Mr_Rabies | get the item from timeless isle that turns you into a ghost yaungol and see those animations spaz out |
| 20:53.20 | Neffi | it looks hideous and I do not approve of it. i'd rather just be able to use the stuff in cat form proper |
| 20:53.22 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/iLwJ1pO.png |
| 20:53.34 | Mr_Rabies | yeah it's terrible, neffi |
| 20:53.34 | Neffi | I hope they add a minor glyph to revert the form back to looking like cat form |
| 20:53.39 | Mr_Rabies | hopefully they have a glyph |
| 20:53.40 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 20:53.44 | karl_w_w | holy literal ball sack |
| 20:53.45 | foxlit | the hunch is annoying. |
| 20:53.59 | Neffi | it's worse than worgen form |
| 20:54.06 | Neffi | at least worgens can have badass purple eyes |
| 20:54.16 | foxlit | itâs not even a hunch, those models are permanently crouching while standing still. |
| 20:54.17 | Mr_Rabies | it's just the worgen skeleton on a nude catman body |
| 20:54.18 | karl_w_w | what the hell is it meant to actually be |
| 20:54.26 | kullervo | Mr_Rabies: the yangoul form only has basic melee attack I think |
| 20:54.30 | Semlar | catman |
| 20:54.33 | kullervo | it's EXTREMELY hard to play a monk with it |
| 20:54.34 | Neffi | karl_w_w: a were-cat |
| 20:54.40 | Mr_Rabies | it has roar and stuff, too |
| 20:54.53 | Mr_Rabies | it's got most of the tauren animations afaik |
| 20:54.56 | Torhal | ~laziness |
| 20:54.56 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 20:55.14 | Mr_Rabies | dance, etc |
| 20:55.17 | Semlar | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2014/april/SaberonAll.jpg |
| 20:55.26 | Neffi | Torhal: Laziness leads to documentation? i think somebody fucked up on that one |
| 20:55.28 | karl_w_w | oh god why |
| 20:55.41 | Neffi | in my experience laziness reads to "no docs, just read the source" |
| 20:55.42 | Torhal | Heh. |
| 20:55.45 | Neffi | leads, rather |
| 20:55.48 | Torhal | The source IS the docs! |
| 20:55.51 | Neffi | !!!! |
| 20:56.01 | karl_w_w | that's just how good my commenting is |
| 20:56.14 | Neffi | x = 1; -- sets x to 1 |
| 20:56.27 | kullervo | Mr_Rabies: taurens DO have monk animations. The yangoul form does not! |
| 20:56.33 | karl_w_w | no Neffi |
| 20:56.39 | karl_w_w | sets the value of x to 1 |
| 20:56.51 | Mr_Rabies | ah, okay |
| 20:56.58 | kullervo | try estimating rolls or melee attack range when the character appears to be gliding around constantly :D |
| 20:57.02 | Neffi | karl_w_w: +1 |
| 20:57.04 | Mr_Rabies | they probably just copied the pre-monk tauren animation set for the yaungol then |
| 20:57.19 | Neffi | set the value of karl_w_w to the value of karl_w_w plus one |
| 20:57.29 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 20:57.36 | Mr_Rabies | feral uses standard animations for just about everything |
| 20:58.33 | karl_w_w | 4 times as much text devoted to comments than to code |
| 20:58.40 | foxlit | So anyway, if #skip decreases the likelyhood that the next command will be used for the slot icon, whatâs a reasonable name for the opposite (increasing the likelyhood). Iâm currently using #important, but thatâs a bit long. |
| 20:59.38 | karl_w_w | I'm preferring #1, #2 etc myself :P |
| 20:59.55 | Neffi | foxlit: thesaurus search for "important" and click stuff until you find a short word |
| 21:00.04 | Neffi | that's generally how I figure stuff like this out |
| 21:00.13 | foxlit | add/remove one in the middle, and renumber half the things? |
| 21:00.29 | Semlar | #boost |
| 21:00.31 | Semlar | #yolo |
| 21:00.39 | Neffi | you could do #+1 #-1 #+3 etc |
| 21:00.40 | karl_w_w | #vital |
| 21:00.45 | Neffi | but that's not obvious |
| 21:01.36 | karl_w_w | example: /use 13 /use 14 /cast Off-GCD Buff 1 #2 /cast Off-GCD Buff 2 # /cast Off-GCD Buff 3 #1 /casequence Burst, Spells |
| 21:02.11 | karl_w_w | so it would build the showtooltip from 1 to the end of the macro, then 2 until the next #, then default the rest |
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| 21:11.40 | foxlit | so in the background, I currently have some integer priorities for various forms of actions -- displaying a spell is internally more important than displaying an /equipset, etc. |
| 21:12.25 | foxlit | The plan was kind of to let you adjust those priorities for each command; so #skip would add -inf, #important +1000; the command with the highest adjusted priority that provides feedback wins. |
| 21:13.40 | foxlit | (and you could use options to fine tune the adjustments, so #important 9000 would generally beat #important 1000.) |
| 21:13.40 | Neffi | #skip doing -inf makes sense. Having an #important to do +1000(or +inf) makes sense too. You should also add fine-grained if you're doing a system like that |
| 21:13.56 | Neffi | manual +/-n |
| 21:14.48 | Semlar | prioritizes neffi |
| 21:15.39 | foxlit | It seems about as expressive as allowing you to do #1/#2/#... ; Iâm not sure if per-command or until-next-adjustment scope is more convinient. |
| 21:18.58 | Neffi | feels important |
| 21:20.08 | karl_w_w | imports Neffi |
| 21:23.51 | Gethe | Torhal: with libQtip, would it be posible to have a scrollbar with say 10 lines and a few lines outside the scroll? e.g a guild list with the MotD at the top |
| 21:23.53 | Neffi | i feel like I've been squeezed through a hole the size of a beer bottle |
| 21:25.35 | Torhal | Gethe: Hooking two QTips together would get that effect. |
| 21:25.52 | Gethe | hmm |
| 21:26.12 | Torhal | Set the max height on the scrollable one to whatever, enable the scrollbar... |
| 21:27.59 | Stanzilla | new 340.23.01 beta linux nvidia driver with open gl 4.5 |
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| 21:54.28 | Simca | wonder if WoW will ever move beyond OpenGL 1.5 |
| 21:54.40 | Gnarfoz | I hope they just remove Mac support instead |
| 21:55.16 | zenzelezz | how come? |
| 21:55.31 | zenzelezz | Simca: so WoW uses basically no GL extensions? |
| 21:57.12 | Simca | hmm, idk |
| 21:57.54 | Gnarfoz | random statement of randomness, then? :P |
| 21:59.53 | Simca | well, expanding support for new graphics features is a lot harder when working with an OpenGL version that old |
| 22:00.31 | Simca | makes me wonder if the lack of good AA features is a result of them trying to keep options identical across platforms |
| 22:00.45 | Gnarfoz | except they're not identical? |
| 22:00.50 | Gnarfoz | xD |
| 22:01.19 | Alram | removing mac support fine by me |
| 22:01.27 | Alram | or add linux support |
| 22:01.52 | Alram | they are backing "the next generation of opengl" |
| 22:01.55 | Gnarfoz | simple thing of releasing the client, probably |
| 22:02.02 | Alram | i highly doubt that Gnarfoz :D |
| 22:02.14 | Gnarfoz | you think they deleted it? |
| 22:02.27 | Alram | no but i dont think they've really maintained it either |
| 22:02.35 | Gnarfoz | Mac can't be that far off, can it |
| 22:02.40 | Simca | linux support and mac support are very similar though |
| 22:02.40 | Simca | yeah |
| 22:02.43 | Gnarfoz | audio probably the bigger issue |
| 22:02.43 | Alram | ish |
| 22:02.54 | kd3 | the last I heard of it was when slouken was still at blizz... that's been how many years ago now? |
| 22:02.54 | Gnarfoz | linux audio cluserfuck |
| 22:02.59 | Alram | seen many porting issues on steam for linux |
| 22:03.02 | Gnarfoz | many |
| 22:03.27 | Alram | linux is a way wider platform than osx |
| 22:03.29 | Gnarfoz | Windows got (comparatively) shiny CMAA to replace the now missing MSAA |
| 22:03.32 | Alram | osx just has versions |
| 22:03.43 | Alram | linux has a shitload of other options |
| 22:03.44 | Gnarfoz | wonder if they're really going to let Mac users be stuck without it |
| 22:03.53 | Simca | MSAA is still way better than CMAA |
| 22:04.03 | Gnarfoz | except... that's not something you can just put that way. |
| 22:04.22 | Simca | well, yeah, you can |
| 22:04.32 | Alram | you can visually compare them just fine |
| 22:04.33 | Simca | you can take two identical pictures and compare jaggedness |
| 22:04.36 | Alram | maybe not technically |
| 22:04.36 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 22:04.49 | Gnarfoz | yes, and good luck with those transparent textures WoW uses all over the place |
| 22:05.27 | Simca | did MSAA do something bad to them or something? |
| 22:05.34 | Gnarfoz | it did *nothing* to them, to be precise |
| 22:05.37 | Alram | they changed rendering methods |
| 22:05.51 | Alram | most shaders were basically rewritten |
| 22:06.02 | Alram | im not even sure why they did |
| 22:06.10 | Gnarfoz | that's the reason they (prematurely, since it's still doable with deferred lighting) removed MSAA |
| 22:06.35 | Gnarfoz | it's just more annoying to do with deferred rendering/lighting (which is the only obvious reason to not do MSAA that springs to mind quickly) |
| 22:06.46 | Alram | sounds like effort for them |
| 22:06.58 | Gnarfoz | well, it's doable with D3D10 features. not so easy (or maybe even not possible) on D3D9 |
| 22:07.33 | Gnarfoz | anyway, MSAA has drawbacks like not covering everything; that's unlikely to be why they removed it, though ;) |
| 22:07.39 | Gnarfoz | and yeah, I'd like it back, too :p |
| 22:08.15 | Gnarfoz | (not that I predict WoW to stress my GPU's shader units so heavily that I couldn't afford CMAA) |
| 22:08.24 | Alram | #whocares |
| 22:08.36 | Gnarfoz | people with less powerful graphics cards |
| 22:08.49 | Gnarfoz | that might have enough ROP units but not so many shader units |
| 22:08.50 | Alram | they should stop being poor and buy some better ones! |
| 22:09.12 | Alram | what else to play half-life 3 on? |
| 22:09.15 | Simca | yeah I'm not worried about performance, CMAA just has too many jaggies for my taste |
| 22:09.17 | Gnarfoz | nvidia should stop being lazy and release proper 800 series |
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| 22:10.26 | Simca | the AA should be so powerful that WoW looks like an 8 bit game, clearly. |
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| 22:12.49 | Gnarfoz | that's... not AA, that's A, though. |
| 22:13.19 | Alram | stop nitpicking, Gnarfoz you know what he meant :( |
| 22:13.40 | Gnarfoz | more nitpicking: she |
| 22:14.04 | Alram | just like Bibi is a girl right |
| 22:15.09 | Simca | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13778668040#1 i feel like i read this before |
| 22:15.45 | Simca | also did AoE knockbacks even have a DR before? |
| 22:16.04 | Simca | and do the stages before immunity even matter for them? do you go less distance under DR? |
| 22:16.50 | Mr_Rabies | probably reduces knockback intensity yeah |
| 22:17.43 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=61391 |
| 22:17.56 | Mr_Rabies | for example, Knock Back (150) Value: 70 Radius: 30 yards |
| 22:18.04 | Mr_Rabies | my guess is the value drops based on DR now |
| 22:18.55 | Mr_Rabies | or maybe the (150) goes down, i dunno |
| 22:19.06 | Mr_Rabies | it seems there are a couple mechanics to knockbacks |
| 22:19.12 | Mr_Rabies | how fast you travel and how far you go |
| 22:19.23 | Mr_Rabies | my guess is 150 is the speed, and distance is 70 |
| 22:19.50 | Mr_Rabies | since thunderstorm is 300 and 60, respectively |
| 22:20.02 | Mr_Rabies | and it's a lot more intense of a knockback but they typically don't go as far as typhoon |
| 23:01.04 | Arrowmaster | Robin Williams Found Dead In Tiburon Home Of Apparent Suicide |
| 23:02.41 | Ressy | omg |
| 23:03.28 | Stanzilla | omg |
| 23:03.33 | Torhal | ... |
| 23:04.12 | kullervo | I was sat home dnking slime mold juice |
| 23:04.44 | Torhal | It isn't in any reputable paper/site. |
| 23:05.06 | fewyn | please say that's a joke |
| 23:05.08 | fewyn | please |
| 23:05.15 | g0urra | http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/08/11/robin-williams-found-dead-in-tiburon-home-of-apparent-suicide/ |
| 23:05.47 | Ressy | local sheriff's office released a statement |
| 23:06.05 | g0urra | http://cbssanfran.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/robinwilliams.pdf |
| 23:09.33 | kd3 | wtf |
| 23:09.38 | fewyn | it's not a joke :( |
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| 23:11.10 | Neffi | this is a sad day for comedy |
| 23:11.22 | Neffi | no pun intended. that guy was great |
| 23:12.34 | Simca | dude wtf |
| 23:13.08 | Simca | he led an excellent career; you'd think he would be one of the people most resistant to depression |
| 23:13.28 | fewyn | he's been working real hard lately on several movies and tv shows and stuff |
| 23:14.56 | g0urra | sometimes the guys with the brightest smiles have the worst demons |
| 23:15.00 | fewyn | he was doing a new night at the museum, and 3 other movies |
| 23:15.12 | fewyn | according to his filmography |
| 23:16.15 | A-KO | didn't he have an alcohol problem for a long while, too? |
| 23:16.30 | A-KO | It's a shame he went out like this. The dude was an incredibly good entertainer.... |
| 23:16.52 | A-KO | There are good entertainers, and there are great entertainers. |
| 23:16.57 | A-KO | Williams is waaaaaaaaaaaaay up on that chart |
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| 23:20.49 | Torhal | It's everywhere now. |
| 23:20.51 | Torhal | Man. |
| 23:21.20 | Ressy | yeah.. Everyone's talking about it |
| 23:21.35 | Ressy | #1 trending on twitter for Toronto. |
| 23:21.39 | Ressy | if you ignore the promoted tweet |
| 23:23.31 | rid_ | :< |
| 23:24.33 | A-KO | It's trending all over atm |
| 23:25.21 | rid_ | what did you expect tbh |
| 23:26.05 | A-KO | true |
| 23:33.52 | Shirik | Robin Williams dies... Wikipedia servers die. |
| 23:34.35 | Torhal | ALL the servers died. |
| 23:34.46 | Torhal | I have several news sites just spin at me when I went to look. |
| 23:34.52 | kd3 | groan. fark wins the combined best/worst headline contest. "Robin Williams Poets Society " |
| 23:35.00 | Torhal | ... |
| 23:35.02 | A-KO | wow |
| 23:35.09 | TC-Work | We are working on the new Night at the Museum...that should be interesting. |
| 23:35.48 | A-KO | I think it's done, I thought. |
| 23:35.51 | A-KO | should be in post production |
| 23:36.56 | TC-Work | Sometimes you need to go back. Directors are seriously fickle. |
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