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| 00:18.18 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/content/store/cr.mp4 << soon! |
| 00:18.58 | nebula169 | broke things again, eh |
| 00:19.56 | foxlit | ages ago, but this is not that. |
| 00:20.55 | foxlit | I just wanted something better than assuming /castrandom always triggers the first effect, and now I can do that. |
| 00:22.55 | jleclanche | zenzelezz, Ackis: In your warrior you should switch to working on the Twitch Phase 2 project now. |
| 00:24.38 | jleclanche | also, new call to anyone who is willing to donate bandwidth (no storage space) to the Archive team for the archival of Twitch.tv videos being deleted, can install Docker and has 2 spare minutes for a setup. |
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| 01:06.04 | Neffi | @Curse guys, it looks like Routes download page got pulled for not being updated. Though the addon still functions 100% I believe (at least until 6.0) |
| 01:08.28 | Stanzilla | Neffi: should be back now, thanks |
| 01:10.29 | Neffi | Has anyone expressed interest in updating it for 6.0? it'll probably break |
| 01:10.49 | Stanzilla | not that I know of |
| 01:12.17 | Stanzilla | are you cheating again, foxlit |
| 01:16.26 | foxlit | maybe a little? |
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| 01:18.48 | foxlit | Neffi: itâs ARR, so weâd have to do some piracy. |
| 01:19.28 | Neffi | ack, it is. I wonder if Xinhuan would give somebody rights to continue it |
| 01:20.06 | Neffi | I imagine a clean room rewrite is a lot of work |
| 01:24.19 | Stanzilla | if you are volunteering, I can ask him :p |
| 01:24.30 | Stanzilla | foxlit: did they fix your exploit in 6.0 btw? |
| 01:24.41 | foxlit | it seems like a lot of boring cross-API scaffolding to duplicate something that should be relatively easy for a normal human. |
| 01:27.15 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.53 | Stanzilla | ah ok, I thought you found something new after that |
| 01:28.38 | foxlit | I havenât been following 6.0 closely; I donât believe thatâs fixed. |
| 01:30.00 | Simca_ | Stanzilla: http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/fortress also dead, still works to this date |
| 01:30.53 | Stanzilla | fixed |
| 01:31.17 | Simca_ | ty |
| 01:31.25 | Stanzilla | foxlit: what's the new bug then |
| 01:32.59 | foxlit | (People are probably busy with actual 6.0 stuff, so I donât think thereâs any value to dropping it on them now.) |
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| 02:55.46 | VIad | info Vlad |
| 02:57.44 | Stanzilla | failbob VIad |
| 02:57.52 | VIad | yes |
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| 03:08.39 | Gethe | how do i disable comments on a WoWI project? |
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| 03:16.55 | Seerah | Gethe: which is the file you would like to disable them for? |
| 03:18.30 | Gethe | RealUI 8 Beta in the WoD section |
| 03:18.57 | Seerah | done :) |
| 03:19.03 | Gethe | thanks <3 |
| 03:19.47 | Seerah | np :) |
| 03:36.32 | kd3|hate`net | oh wow. they're finally rereleasing Cowboy Bebop on Blu-Ray http://www.funimation.com/blog/2014/08/09/release-date-for-cowboy-bebop |
| 03:36.57 | Torhal | WAT |
| 03:37.16 | Torhal | Only been almost 2 decades. |
| 03:38.30 | kd3|hate`net | I've got the... Pioneer/Geneon? rainbow dvd release sitting on a shelf somewhere... |
| 03:41.36 | Torhal | I say almost 2 decades, but hell - when it came out DVDs were just starting to be seen alongside VHS tapes. |
| 03:48.43 | kd3 | here's a shot from 2007... seriously? 2007? http://kaydeethree.net/i/anime1.jpg |
| 03:48.45 | kd3 | good god |
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| 03:54.43 | Torhal | Oh, man. FLCL. So much fucked-up. |
| 03:55.07 | nebula169 | really? cowboy bebop hasn't been licensed in the us? how was it on adult swim? |
| 03:55.24 | Torhal | o.O |
| 03:55.26 | kd3 | it has, but the old license expired. the dvds in that image are from the old (pioneer) license |
| 03:55.47 | nebula169 | ah |
| 03:57.09 | znf | http://snapzu.com/geoleo/when-growth-hacks-go-unethical-plagiarizing-youtube-news-bots-have-arrived |
| 03:57.14 | znf | this is fuckin' "smart" O.O |
| 03:57.17 | znf | shady as fuck, but smart as hell |
| 04:02.53 | Neffi | *robotic voice* http://snapzu.com/geoleo/when-growth-hacks-go-unethical-plagiarizing-youtube-news-bots-have-arrived |
| 04:03.08 | Torhal | I see what you did there. |
| 04:03.13 | Neffi | *robotic voice* this is fuckin' "smart" O.O shady as fuck, but smart as hell |
| 04:03.20 | Neffi | ;) |
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| 04:05.16 | znf | pokes Neffi with a golf club |
| 04:06.09 | znf | Anyone else doing "pass" on any new website that requires an account to comment/vote etc. and doesn't have OAuth? |
| 04:06.34 | znf | No intrusive "social login" buttons here. |
| 04:06.34 | znf | Just old-school registration below. |
| 04:06.37 | znf | yeah, no, I'll pass |
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| 05:02.15 | kd3 | ps4 diablo is ~63GB? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=870896 |
| 05:04.44 | Semlar | well, it has to do everything the server does in addition to the client |
| 05:05.24 | Semlar | i'm sure it has a ton of media that you wouldn't need for a single pc install too |
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| 05:06.07 | Neffi | Semlar: why? |
| 05:06.22 | Neffi | It doesn't connect to battle.net servers? |
| 05:06.34 | kd3 | console d3 can be played offline |
| 05:06.42 | Semlar | well you play it on a console, i can't imagine it requires you to be connected |
| 05:06.50 | Semlar | what the hell would be the point of a console |
| 05:07.38 | Neffi | glorious pc master race blah blah something |
| 05:08.20 | tz | you forgot the "all hail gaben" |
| 05:08.32 | tz | I hear that's the norm nowadays |
| 05:09.39 | Neffi | gaben is love. gaben is life |
| 05:10.29 | Semlar | it's also 26gb according to the sony store |
| 05:11.12 | kd3 | that's the us version. I should've clarified originally, the 63gb thing is the EU version. but still, 26GB is a lot |
| 05:11.54 | Semlar | euro version probably has more languages crammed onto the same install |
| 05:12.06 | tz | audio++; |
| 05:12.18 | Semlar | 1080p vidya |
| 05:12.51 | tz | most of the video seemed to have subtitles rather than having text baked in, so it's probably reusable to some degree on a per-lang basis |
| 05:12.53 | tz | shrugs |
| 05:13.42 | tz | ugh, I run too many addons >_< |
| 05:14.23 | tz | 4fps in a 25man isn't usable |
| 05:15.51 | VIad | tz: you can run a lot of addons - the issue comes from when they start piling on hooking the CLEU event in raids :D |
| 05:16.05 | VIad | CLEU is a huge performance impact |
| 05:16.30 | VIad | like the :RegisterUnitEvent we need some CLEU specific :RegisterX API to improve performance when wanting to read stuffs |
| 05:16.38 | tz | oh I know, I'm just annoyed, it's not really a lot of addons, it's just a combo of weakauras/raven/tidyplates |
| 05:16.48 | tz | I need to cut down on what I'm showing |
| 05:16.56 | Semlar | eh, 4fps in a raid is probably a broken addon |
| 05:17.15 | Semlar | i don't know what your normal frame rate is in that situation though |
| 05:17.40 | Semlar | actually it could easily just be tidyplates |
| 05:17.42 | tz | well waiting in front of a boss with no combat events going on it's ~100fps |
| 05:18.17 | tz | timing-wise the lua usage seems to be split pretty evenly between raven/weakauras though, assuming this iCPU addon isn't telling me porkie pies |
| 05:18.27 | Semlar | but weak auras is a strong contender because it could be doing anything |
| 05:18.39 | VIad | if you add custom code glhf |
| 05:18.58 | tz | I cut the custom code auras out to try and narrow it down |
| 05:19.08 | VIad | fix what is loaded |
| 05:19.10 | tz | just being rather elusive atm |
| 05:19.20 | VIad | weak auras could use a "raid" on/off thingy too ;p |
| 05:19.24 | Semlar | well, does it kill your frame rate if you just disable WA completely |
| 05:19.52 | Semlar | it should be easy to rule out |
| 05:20.04 | VIad | yes |
| 05:20.05 | tz | yeah, WA/Raven disabled => silky smooth |
| 05:20.13 | VIad | 100v100 gonna be guud for testing |
| 05:20.14 | tz | grumbles |
| 05:20.32 | tz | yeahhhhhhhh I think I'd rather masturbate with a cheesegrater |
| 05:21.37 | Semlar | you need more of this http://semlar.com/weakauras.gif |
| 05:21.56 | VIad | lol |
| 05:22.09 | tz | funny you should say that |
| 05:22.19 | tz | swapping to 3D models _lowered_ the usage |
| 05:23.25 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.55 | VIad | that's a lot of CPU Semlar |
| 05:29.03 | Semlar | when you hook a function it completely breaks the cpu monitor |
| 05:29.30 | VIad | any function or just one that is called often? |
| 05:30.04 | Semlar | any function, everything that hooks that function plus the original function all gets attributed to your addon |
| 05:30.13 | VIad | awesum |
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| 05:30.51 | Semlar | do something like WorldFrame:HookScript('OnUpdate', function() end) instead of making your own frame and see the difference |
| 05:31.19 | VIad | wonder if it's bettwe to hook the world frame onupdate |
| 05:31.23 | VIad | or create your own frame :p |
| 05:31.48 | Semlar | depends, do you want it to look like you're using a ton of cpu or waste resources creating your own frame |
| 05:33.27 | VIad | wonder if there is a performance incentive to hook onupdate |
| 05:33.42 | VIad | and if so at what point, how many addons need to hook it for it to be worth it :p |
| 05:34.24 | VIad | wolfenstein new order is awesome btw, I really like it :P |
| 05:34.35 | nevcairiel | Especially secure hooks have a big overhead |
| 05:34.40 | nevcairiel | So, don't |
| 05:34.47 | VIad | HookScript too? |
| 05:34.57 | nevcairiel | That's a secure hook |
| 05:35.02 | VIad | ok |
| 05:36.02 | nevcairiel | They optimized C-Lua context switches a few expansions ago, so Lua dispatchers probably don't have a big advantage anymore |
| 05:36.29 | VIad | any huge performance bonuses using the new C_Timer.After? |
| 05:36.38 | VIad | as opposed to creating a frame with OnUpdate |
| 05:37.04 | nevcairiel | They said its more efficient as long as you don't have a extremely short timeout |
| 05:37.20 | Semlar | you mean like 1 frame? |
| 05:37.23 | VIad | :P |
| 05:37.38 | nevcairiel | Ie. If you would run every frame or every other frame, stick to OnUpdate |
| 05:38.06 | VIad | usually if I gotta OnUpdate I always add .5 intervals, so it will be nice with .After |
| 05:38.21 | nevcairiel | Personally as a base rule, I would stick to OnUpdate for anything below 0.1 |
| 05:39.24 | nevcairiel | But that's just me |
| 05:40.05 | VIad | wonder if there are any CLEU performance optimizations in WOD |
| 05:40.08 | nevcairiel | Don't think any of my addons even have a timer that run this often |
| 05:40.28 | VIad | parsing CLEU easily destroys your cpu and framerate in raids |
| 05:40.38 | VIad | 10 addons using CLEU glhf |
| 05:40.42 | Semlar | i just run everything on update, events are for suckers |
| 05:40.47 | VIad | :D |
| 05:40.48 | Neffi | the best optimization they can make it getting rid of CLEU and separating out the event types into their own events |
| 05:40.54 | Neffi | tons of redundant calls happening always |
| 05:41.05 | VIad | :RegisterCLEU(filterstuffgoesheretospecifywhatyoucareabout,func) |
| 05:41.41 | nevcairiel | All that would do is move the filtering in another place, same code happening elsewhere |
| 05:41.42 | VIad | CreateFrame("CLEU") could work too, a widget for CLEU parsing :p |
| 05:41.44 | nebula169 | eh, blizzard's own combat log is terrible and doesn't really impact that much |
| 05:41.58 | VIad | yeah but hoping for the C to be more efficient at it |
| 05:42.08 | nevcairiel | The pure CLEU parsing isn't the big problem IMHO |
| 05:42.10 | Neffi | and I bet a lot of addon code doesn't take the sane route of bailing out as soon as it should. eg, I bet a lot of things are being checked and calculated, when the addon doesn't even care about the paricular event or unit |
| 05:42.37 | nevcairiel | Terrible addons usually is the problem |
| 05:43.23 | tz | mmmhmmmmmm |
| 05:43.24 | Neffi | It kinds of appalls me when people mention they go from 100 fps to 5 fps just by entering combat in a raid, because they have a few fancy proc displays and shit |
| 05:43.34 | tz | yep! fuckers. |
| 05:43.44 | Neffi | I've managed to code nice proc displays and all sorts of useful info on my own, and I can't imagine how I'd even use that much CPU |
| 05:43.46 | Semlar | i don't know, something has to be misconfigured for that to happen |
| 05:43.49 | nevcairiel | Then those people need better addons |
| 05:43.51 | VIad | it's worst trying to figure out what exactly causes the combat lockdown and hangs |
| 05:44.06 | Semlar | i have done some seriously inefficient things with addons and haven't managed to cripple my frame rate like that |
| 05:44.11 | VIad | once a year I get a severe combat lock that freezes the game entirely for minutes |
| 05:44.23 | VIad | has happened in each expansions :p |
| 05:44.31 | Neffi | VIad: same addons consistently? |
| 05:44.44 | VIad | when it ends there is a not so helpful lua error dump and that's it |
| 05:44.49 | Neffi | could be one of those addons has a nasty little loop with a latent bug that might cause it to take a while to break |
| 05:45.27 | VIad | first thing I did was to scan all my addons for while loops, onupdate functions, trying to see what could have done it, but it's hard to figure this out when the lua error isn't specific to what :på |
| 05:45.34 | VIad | "overflow glhf debug" |
| 05:45.48 | VIad | in any case, happens so rarely how the heck to debug? |
| 05:46.05 | Neffi | i dunno was glhf is |
| 05:46.13 | VIad | good luck have fun |
| 05:46.28 | Neffi | it's probably what I mentioned, but in the form of recursion then |
| 05:47.05 | Neffi | Typically an infinite loop should just lock the client. But the same thing using recursion without tailcall optimization would cause an overflow |
| 05:47.33 | VIad | a while ago I made an interrupt addon to help me announce my interrupt to party, or when I wanted to interrupt but had a CD, e.g. early I had it also work for others in the group - in raid this causes severe fps drops ;D was fun, then I fixed it |
| 05:48.05 | tz | ok, eavesdrop has a horrible CLEU handler |
| 05:48.08 | tz | next |
| 05:49.05 | Neffi | back when I was a pretty bad coder still, I was writing a castbar and I couldn't figure out a bug (I think I was listening to the wrong events) so I just made it listen to OnUpdate for all units that I had a castbar for. I didnt even see a performance drop with that |
| 05:49.42 | VIad | if you wanna do something at an event |
| 05:49.53 | VIad | OnUpdate each frame or RegisterAllEvents? :P |
| 05:50.09 | Neffi | RegisterAllEvents is certainly worse! |
| 05:50.12 | VIad | events don't fire each frame, still they fire often |
| 05:50.20 | Semlar | uh |
| 05:50.27 | Semlar | ReigsterAllEvents would fire like a million times a frame |
| 05:50.36 | VIad | really? |
| 05:50.40 | Neffi | yeah |
| 05:50.44 | Semlar | have you opened the event trace? |
| 05:50.45 | VIad | thought events couldnt fire multiple times per frame |
| 05:50.54 | Neffi | depends |
| 05:51.00 | Semlar | if you're in a raid |
| 05:51.03 | Semlar | with 25 people |
| 05:51.16 | Semlar | there would be a TON of events going off every frame |
| 05:51.16 | Neffi | The same even can fire multiple times per frame, if it's caused by separate events |
| 05:51.25 | Neffi | and you have a ton of different events firing |
| 05:51.39 | Semlar | and yes the same event can fire multiple times a frame |
| 05:51.40 | Neffi | CLEU alone probably runs several times per frame in combat when you're by yourself |
| 05:51.47 | VIad | iterate _G and all children, RegisterAllEvents to applicable widgets, glhf |
| 05:51.51 | Neffi | -- or at least around a few enemies |
| 05:52.16 | Neffi | i'ma go do that. brb |
| 05:53.05 | Semlar | my nameplates redraw everything every frame |
| 05:53.14 | Semlar | eeeeeeverything |
| 05:53.37 | Semlar | and they don't drop my frame rate |
| 05:54.23 | VIad | hmm |
| 05:54.30 | VIad | Semlar: I have issues coloring monks in mine |
| 05:54.31 | Neffi | apparently the overhead of :RegisterAllEvents itself is bigger than I thought |
| 05:54.33 | tz | why did I not know about event tracing before, ugh |
| 05:54.35 | Neffi | my client locked up |
| 05:54.36 | VIad | minks in pvp are just red (hostile) :( |
| 05:54.51 | tz | 8 handlers attached to CLEU when not in raid, gg |
| 05:54.53 | Neffi | Not from the events. Just from calling :RegisterAllEvents() on all the frames |
| 05:55.27 | Neffi | VIad: how are you detecting that they're monks? |
| 05:55.31 | Neffi | from the healthbar color? |
| 05:55.34 | VIad | yeah |
| 05:55.43 | VIad | well |
| 05:55.55 | Semlar | what do you mean you're having issues coloring them |
| 05:56.16 | Neffi | VIad: this snippet from my code may help you out https://gist.github.com/2abf4cc45cbe6f4695da |
| 05:56.28 | Neffi | I had issues with monks too until I checked that on a hunch |
| 05:56.31 | Semlar | only enemy players have class colored nameplates |
| 05:56.49 | Neffi | refering to the very last line of that paste |
| 05:57.35 | VIad | rounding error :P |
| 05:57.55 | Neffi | In other words, the color of the nameplate healthbar for monks is not the same as what's in RAID_CLASS_COLORS |
| 05:57.57 | Semlar | vlad are you trying to color friendly monks or identify the class of an enemy nameplate |
| 05:58.04 | VIad | enemies |
| 05:58.06 | Neffi | while for every other class it is the same |
| 05:58.09 | VIad | noticed it in pvp |
| 05:58.28 | Semlar | i don't know, i don't identify their class |
| 05:58.42 | Semlar | i literally just pass the color through if it doesn't match one of the colors i'm checking for |
| 05:58.50 | Semlar | so it just uses the color of the original plate |
| 05:59.41 | Semlar | i don't think any of the enemy nameplate colors should match the colors from the RAID_CLASS_COLOR table |
| 06:00.15 | Semlar | they seem to be intentionally darker to set them apart |
| 06:00.35 | Neffi | No, that's because the statusbar texture is not pure white |
| 06:00.47 | Neffi | The code I posted correctly identifies all the classes |
| 06:01.19 | Semlar | enemy players are definitely not the same color as friendly players in my group using the raid class colors |
| 06:01.22 | Neffi | although it adds a small bit of rounding as you can see |
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| 06:08.28 | VIad | Semlar: friendly nameplates have a dark blue color |
| 06:08.38 | VIad | rounded it is '000 000 001' |
| 06:09.21 | Semlar | i color group members by class |
| 06:09.43 | Semlar | and that color does not match the one for enemy players |
| 06:11.11 | Semlar | i added pvp icons to make it more obvious though http://i.imgur.com/WgchqV0.jpg |
| 06:11.40 | Neffi | Semlar, why are those birds marked for PvP? |
| 06:11.48 | Neffi | are you provoking the birds? |
| 06:11.49 | Semlar | so i can see what it looks like |
| 06:12.02 | Neffi | stop messing with the birds, semlar |
| 06:12.09 | Semlar | birds are dicks |
| 06:13.53 | Semlar | neffi how am i supposed to make a targeting macro if the names don't match http://i.imgur.com/NF61wMf.jpg |
| 06:15.27 | Neffi | o.O |
| 06:15.45 | Semlar | :| |
| 06:16.35 | nevcairiel | So its his title, not his name. That happens sometimes |
| 06:17.01 | Semlar | yeah, and it's UNACCEPTABLE! |
| 06:17.13 | Semlar | fix it neffi |
| 06:17.32 | Neffi | no, busy sleeping |
| 06:17.40 | Semlar | i can tell that you aren't sleeping |
| 06:17.48 | Neffi | no you cant |
| 06:17.53 | Semlar | don't try and fool me |
| 06:17.53 | Neffi | i sleep type |
| 06:18.35 | Semlar | i don't even know how i could counter this |
| 06:19.06 | Semlar | i could maaaaaybe make a localized list mapping vignettes to npc ids but that would be insane |
| 06:19.43 | Semlar | even if i had a complete list of vignettes to start from |
| 06:19.51 | Semlar | which i don't, because they're cached |
| 06:20.32 | VIad | Neffi: the rounding issue isnt there on WOD |
| 06:20.37 | VIad | the monk exception |
| 06:20.41 | VIad | deprecated |
| 06:20.47 | Neffi | cool beans |
| 06:22.18 | karl_w_w | what class was he playing jleclanche? |
| 06:24.58 | VIad | ugh |
| 06:25.01 | VIad | found horrible code |
| 06:25.06 | VIad | my own :p |
| 06:25.19 | VIad | http://pastebin.com/RM9caZLR |
| 06:25.26 | VIad | gotta think of a way to improve that shit |
| 06:25.30 | Semlar | actually i've been assuming the db2 file is updated based on what you've encountered, but i'm not sure if that's true or not |
| 06:25.51 | Semlar | because i have like 548 entries in mine |
| 06:26.27 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: priest |
| 06:26.54 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: insane win ratio, too. he must have lost like 5 or 6 games while i watched, out of 25 |
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| 06:27.57 | Shirik | in the TIL department |
| 06:28.10 | Shirik | the Japanese have a 24-hour help line they call call when they're visiting Paris |
| 06:28.21 | Shirik | you call it if you are traumatized by the fact that you are visiting Paris. |
| 06:28.32 | Shirik | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6197921.stm |
| 06:28.48 | jleclanche | handy |
| 06:28.53 | jleclanche | do you have to be japanese to call it? |
| 06:29.09 | Shirik | well it's run by the Japanese embassy |
| 06:29.20 | Shirik | so I guess technically no, but I don't think they intend to do anything for you if you're not Japanese |
| 06:29.20 | nevcairiel | Paris must be quite horrible |
| 06:29.36 | Semlar | well it's full of french people |
| 06:29.42 | Shirik | apparently what it is is that in Japan they're all taught that Paris is this magical place where every is GQ and proper |
| 06:29.52 | Shirik | and then they find out it's actually, as Semlar put, full of French people |
| 06:30.34 | Semlar | well it's true |
| 06:34.03 | Semlar | here neffi, have a vignette http://pastebin.com/5grvfZwZ |
| 06:37.29 | Neffi | aww, how thoughtful semlar |
| 06:37.35 | Semlar | <3 |
| 06:38.08 | Neffi | Semlar: you're missing a `{` on every line |
| 06:38.18 | Semlar | not important |
| 06:38.26 | Neffi | .o. |
| 06:38.40 | Semlar | this was mostly just so i could view it |
| 06:39.28 | Semlar | does wowhead have an api or should i just scrape the pages |
| 06:40.02 | tz | add ?xml at the end, I believe |
| 06:40.41 | tz | mmm, http://www.wowhead.com/item=64610&xml etc. |
| 06:40.57 | Semlar | i need the search results, mostly |
| 06:41.52 | Semlar | they make suggestions so they undoubtedly have json results or something |
| 06:43.01 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.23 | Semlar | this might work |
| 06:44.52 | Semlar | although i think it probably limits the number of results |
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| 07:52.41 | VIad | seen people solo ultraxion on wod but I instantly die to twilight eruption :( |
| 07:55.24 | VIad | regardless if I dodge hour of twilight with the spell, the aspect shatter and are vulnerable |
| 07:55.28 | VIad | then he just wipes me :p |
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| 08:03.46 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/HjxEFLZt welp time for some manual checking |
| 08:05.17 | Semlar | some of these aren't even close to matching the actual name of the mob |
| 08:15.49 | Kultzi | wouldn't it be easier to gather the data using C_Vignettes.GetVignetteInfoFromInstanceID ? + then you don't have to update it after every patch |
| 08:18.07 | Semlar | yeah, the names it gives you don't match the mob names half the time |
| 08:18.16 | nebula169 | they ever fix that? or does it still hit the integer limit and break |
| 08:18.19 | Semlar | so i'm making a very large list of vignette name to npc id |
| 08:18.24 | Semlar | they fixed it |
| 08:18.38 | Semlar | the guids can't overflow in their new format |
| 08:18.51 | Semlar | http://beta.wowhead.com/npc=78227 |
| 08:19.37 | Semlar | i'm going through and manually fixing the handful of mobs my script screwed up fetching |
| 08:21.00 | Semlar | some of these haven't been seen by wowhead yet, i guess |
| 08:21.13 | Semlar | and some of them flat out don't exist |
| 08:31.48 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/NarByuBa alright, i declare it perfect |
| 08:32.18 | nevcairiel | That doesn't look perfect. It has half the names commented out |
| 08:32.55 | Semlar | such is life |
| 08:33.27 | Semlar | also i still need to fix a couple of them |
| 08:33.36 | Semlar | but that's okay |
| 08:35.01 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/EnjtKvF3 now is perfect |
| 08:36.03 | Semlar | or as perfect as it's going to get because i'm not messing with it any more tonight |
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| 08:51.45 | nevcairiel | Its 11am |
| 08:58.22 | znf | nah |
| 08:58.25 | znf | it's 12 |
| 09:01.51 | haste | its 11am |
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| 09:04.12 | Semlar | pretty sure it's 5am |
| 09:04.20 | Semlar | what are you people doing up |
| 09:04.43 | Mr_Rabies | making this http://a.pomf.se/fuefeg.webm |
| 09:05.41 | Semlar | this does not work for me |
| 09:06.53 | Mr_Rabies | try refreshing the page |
| 09:07.01 | Mr_Rabies | unless your browser doesn't support webm? |
| 09:08.07 | Semlar | well, it shows a 25 second video player bar that immediately finishes if you try and play it |
| 09:09.26 | Mr_Rabies | wat |
| 09:09.34 | Mr_Rabies | what browser? |
| 09:09.47 | Semlar | firefox |
| 09:10.06 | Semlar | 31 |
| 09:10.12 | Mr_Rabies | dunno, i use chrome, works for me |
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| 09:47.49 | karl_w_w | Shirik, you don't watch enough QI |
| 09:48.09 | karl_w_w | otherwise you'd know about japanese people in paris already! |
| 10:04.54 | Shirik | well actually that's where I picked it up |
| 10:04.58 | Shirik | then I grabbed the article to verify |
| 10:07.41 | Fisker | Do you remember Shirik ? |
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| 10:12.37 | Shirik | remember? |
| 10:36.51 | karl_w_w | the time when we fell in love |
| 10:40.21 | Maldivia | 21st night of september? |
| 10:57.37 | nevcairiel | oh yay, they removed the protected state of all those special blob frames in the worldmap |
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| 11:31.46 | VIad | Mr_Rabies: the video shows a bar (no video, or it's tiny and hides behind the bar) and it instantly finishes |
| 11:32.08 | VIad | if I seek manually I see a video, like 100x20 in size behind the control |
| 11:32.17 | VIad | clicking play automatic seek to the end |
| 11:32.26 | VIad | webm when encoded wrong? : |
| 11:32.52 | VIad | but why is the car twerking? |
| 11:39.22 | VIad | wowhead removed ?xml it seems :( |
| 11:42.24 | VIad | nvm, &xml only for items :p |
| 11:42.33 | VIad | wowhead would benefit from REST API |
| 11:43.05 | VIad | could control the flow of external queries that way much better, and save bandwidth not transfering too much overhead. |
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| 12:05.34 | Maldivia | VIad: if you want REST, there's always the bnet api |
| 12:06.11 | VIad | but it's wowhead we all love :D |
| 12:08.06 | Maldivia | not if you live REST :P |
| 12:08.09 | Maldivia | love* |
| 12:09.41 | nevcairiel | give it a rest already! |
| 12:10.18 | nevcairiel | in non-pun related news, I like how they cleaned up a lot of the internals in the map quest-poi code, a lot easier to mess with it now |
| 12:10.59 | Maldivia | :) |
| 12:12.18 | nevcairiel | even if they kinda force me to start from scratch with the whole addon =p |
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| 12:17.30 | p3lim | should probably get a script for scraping data off wowhead too, been lazy and done it manually for a long time now |
| 12:19.24 | p3lim | not even sure how I'd do it :p |
| 12:31.16 | nevcairiel | anyone know what CSA means in names on the beta? probably something obvious but i dont get it :D |
| 12:35.08 | VIad | CSA hmm |
| 12:35.45 | VIad | no freaking clue |
| 12:36.41 | VIad | maybe initials of the author? :p |
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| 12:36.50 | VIad | could be that simple |
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| 12:39.01 | Maldivia | perhaps something cinematic related? :) |
| 12:39.35 | nevcairiel | dunno, its in zone names, quest names, seen it all over in some areas |
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| 12:41.46 | Fisker | Examples nevcairiel ? |
| 12:42.26 | Maldivia | I assume it's simiar to the DND ? (although different purpose) |
| 12:42.50 | VIad | http://www.wowhead.com/search?q=CSA |
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| 15:09.41 | Industrial | I've just requested a beta invite for WOD on wowinterface.com. (How/Where) Can I see which batch of tracking keys has been sent last and which range will be next? |
| 15:10.05 | Cairenn | ... |
| 15:10.14 | Cairenn | Read the bloody announcement already |
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| 15:15.09 | Maldivia | sends a picture of a kitty to Cairenn... looks needed: http://i.imgur.com/nScazCd.jpg |
| 15:15.39 | Cairenn | heh |
| 15:22.46 | mikma | oh lawl, i need to update one addon to enter the beta |
| 15:23.08 | mikma | so, .toc bump. haha. no. |
| 15:34.18 | jleclanche | did the wowi frontpage change? |
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| 16:19.08 | Industrial | Cairenn: sowwy, I see now, i get email |
| 16:19.32 | Cairenn | Or, you know, you could read the post ... |
| 16:22.45 | mikma | nah. don't have active wow account nor know where my authenticator is located :) |
| 16:29.14 | Fisker | is scared |
| 16:30.11 | kullervo | ooh a physical authenticator |
| 16:30.47 | p3lim | tlund: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15180-MouseNag.html :p |
| 16:32.47 | Fisker | Lets hope she doesn't reply with a single period |
| 16:32.50 | Fisker | Then we're in trouble |
| 16:44.18 | karl_w_w | wow mages got amplify damage back |
| 16:45.10 | karl_w_w | s/damage/magic/ |
| 16:47.13 | Kraps | wowi looks the same to me |
| 16:49.08 | tlund | p3lim: you should have downloaded my addon instead of writing your own ;) |
| 16:49.27 | p3lim | tlund: look at the date I released it |
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| 16:50.08 | tlund | p3lim: hmm, where can I see this? |
| 16:50.18 | p3lim | tlund: file info tab under the download button |
| 16:50.31 | tlund | ah, there it yes |
| 16:50.55 | tlund | p3lim: so .. what is that dateformat? is it 2011 or 2009? |
| 16:50.59 | p3lim | 09 |
| 16:51.01 | p3lim | I don't use the mouse nor addon any more, just funny that this is still an issue |
| 16:51.19 | tlund | i still use the mouse, best i ever had |
| 16:51.31 | p3lim | did you get v2? |
| 16:51.35 | tlund | I am on my second, and i have a third one, spare, brand spanking new, mint in box :) |
| 16:51.54 | tlund | no, that one did not look as good at all :( |
| 16:52.03 | p3lim | was horrible to use too |
| 16:52.16 | tlund | p3lim: hmm, i wrote my addon early 2010 it looks like, and put it on curse end of 2010 |
| 16:52.23 | tlund | damnit, you beat me. :( |
| 16:52.26 | p3lim | :D |
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| 16:53.05 | tlund | p3lim: i am more proud of my other addon - THAT is something they should implement |
| 16:53.17 | p3lim | the force quit thing? |
| 16:54.16 | p3lim | make it play a loud sound warning one minute before it quits, just in case you weren't asleep ;) |
| 16:56.19 | tlund | if i am asleep, i don't want to get woken up :) |
| 16:58.40 | p3lim | I would, sleeping in a chair sucks |
| 16:59.26 | tlund | when this was a problem for me, I would have left my char logged in, to "just grab a snack" and then forget what I was doing, and go watch tv in bed and fall asleep |
| 16:59.44 | tlund | or just get up from the computer to do some random thing, and then get a call from a friend and leave the house |
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| 18:42.12 | jleclanche | Something impressive tho |
| 18:42.31 | jleclanche | the translation bots I added to my xmpp account something like 10 years ago still work |
| 18:42.41 | jleclanche | bot.talk.google.com |
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| 18:58.17 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/MivwXHk.png fuck my life |
| 18:58.34 | karl_w_w | blizzard breaking out the maths |
| 19:00.38 | smcn | auras don't count for tv i guess |
| 19:01.00 | smcn | i wish auras were more clearly defined in that regard |
| 19:01.20 | Simca | strength of the pack is applied by another minion, so it's an aftereffect |
| 19:01.40 | Simca | blessing of might is a single use card applied directly to leeroy as an enchantment, so it counts |
| 19:02.11 | karl_w_w | the wolf was down before the x2 |
| 19:02.19 | smcn | right that's what i mean though is that maybe the aura (strength of the pack) should be separated from buffs (blessing of might) visually |
| 19:02.19 | Simca | doesn't matter |
| 19:02.33 | smcn | so that it's clear |
| 19:02.35 | karl_w_w | it does to me i lost the game :P |
| 19:02.51 | karl_w_w | the card didnt do what it said in the text |
| 19:03.08 | karl_w_w | this sort of thing should be fixed not explained |
| 19:03.10 | Simca | it doesn't count because the card positioning could change |
| 19:03.25 | karl_w_w | at which point it could lose 2 damage |
| 19:03.50 | karl_w_w | or the card could be clearer |
| 19:04.00 | karl_w_w | not neither |
| 19:04.13 | Simca | what if you put another wolf on the opposite side afterwards then? would it gain +1 attack or +2 attack and how it would show the difference? |
| 19:04.17 | Simca | things get complicated |
| 19:04.17 | smcn | yeah buffs are handled/explained really poorly |
| 19:04.57 | smcn | if the player has to sit down and think about it from a "what if" perspective it's a design problem |
| 19:05.01 | smcn | imo |
| 19:05.12 | Simca | at the same time |
| 19:05.15 | Gethe | they are handled fine, but explained poorly |
| 19:05.24 | Simca | there's no way to make it clear without making the card's text a mile long |
| 19:05.45 | Simca | maybe they need an 'advanced tooltips' option where it explains weird exception cases or something |
| 19:05.46 | smcn | the card text on tv is "doubles a minion's attack" not "doubles a minion's attack except for auras" |
| 19:05.56 | karl_w_w | the blessed champion buff should either double the attack as it is when it is used in which case it just adds the required amount of damage, or it should be a case of double whatever damage it currently has |
| 19:06.06 | karl_w_w | in which case it would change as the board does |
| 19:06.09 | smcn | so the problem isn't that TV needs *more* text it's that it should do what the text says |
| 19:06.17 | karl_w_w | and the card should say which it is |
| 19:06.31 | Simca | it doubles the attack of the minion. strength of the pack is giving +1 damage but Leeroy isn't the source of that damage |
| 19:07.00 | smcn | and besides the solution to that particular problem isn't adding text, it's separating the auras and buffs visually |
| 19:07.35 | Siku | The other issue with double whatever damage it currently has and that stays that way would be |
| 19:07.38 | Simca | given how long the buff list can get already, that would be an issue |
| 19:07.54 | Siku | 2x Abusive + Blessed = free 8 damage permanently. |
| 19:07.55 | smcn | actually a better thing to do would be changing the attack on the card itself |
| 19:08.20 | Simca | yeah but that makes it confusing for silences |
| 19:09.17 | jleclanche | Siku: this makes it a special case |
| 19:09.17 | smcn | instead of just saying "6" with a bunch of buffs under the card, it should look like it does on the board, with a distinction between "permanently modified" attack and "temporarily modified" attack, i.e. prior to templar's verdict being cast it might say "9+1" |
| 19:09.29 | jleclanche | that isnt how hs works |
| 19:09.39 | jleclanche | cf. alchemist |
| 19:09.54 | jleclanche | the problem isnt how the buffs work, its how the spell is designed to work |
| 19:10.32 | jleclanche | it does look like hs stores a hidden "base attack" variable for minions and templar's verdict doubles *that* |
| 19:10.54 | Simca | alchemist would make him a 3/19, you think? |
| 19:10.54 | jleclanche | that leeroy should be at 21. |
| 19:11.00 | Simca | instead of 3/18? |
| 19:11.14 | jleclanche | alchemist right now would make it a 3/19 yes |
| 19:11.31 | Gnarfoz | so, in summary, maybe it should all be improved to either DO what it SAYS or SAY what it actually DOES? :P |
| 19:11.41 | jleclanche | indeed Gnarfoz |
| 19:11.55 | jleclanche | or at least this distinction should be clarified |
| 19:12.01 | jleclanche | its the first time i see a concrete example of it |
| 19:12.32 | Simca | if you're wanting them to make tooltips even remotely complex or explain weird cases, it's not going to happen, i'm pretty positive |
| 19:12.41 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: did you post it somewhere? this is potentially a bug |
| 19:12.45 | smcn | Gnarfoz: how dare you distill our armchair game designing |
| 19:12.50 | karl_w_w | http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/forum/topic/13779227960?page=1#3 |
| 19:13.05 | Gnarfoz | Simca: pick the other one, then: change what it does to match what it says, if you don't want to change what it says :P |
| 19:13.29 | Gnarfoz | distills smcn into vodka |
| 19:13.32 | jleclanche | yes, I'm +1 with Gnarfoz, BC should be changed |
| 19:13.34 | karl_w_w | Simca, if they can't make the tooltip clear they shouldn't have the card in the game as it is |
| 19:15.02 | Simca | they're not going to clarify complicated tooltips; they've made it pretty clear that they'd rather redesign a card |
| 19:15.12 | karl_w_w | exactly |
| 19:15.26 | karl_w_w | so the current situation is not acceptable by any standards :P |
| 19:15.30 | jleclanche | Simca: i think you mean they're not going to clarify complicated mechanics in tooltips :P |
| 19:15.45 | Simca | yeah same thing |
| 19:15.55 | karl_w_w | blessed champion is a pretty bad card anyway |
| 19:15.56 | jleclanche | well no they better clarify complicated tooltips. |
| 19:16.20 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: you know, this bug has probably not been noticed because nobody fucking uses it lol |
| 19:16.52 | Simca | I posted to your thread |
| 19:16.56 | jleclanche | "Hey guys look, if you have 2 wisps in your deck at legend rank and use a felguard, the game breaks" |
| 19:17.05 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 19:17.07 | Simca | LOL |
| 19:18.04 | karl_w_w | did you know if you use nozdormu and 2 wisps in a deck time as we know it ends? |
| 19:18.11 | karl_w_w | you can't prove it's not true |
| 19:18.19 | jleclanche | you just broke the meta, gj |
| 19:18.50 | Simca | I use a hunter deck filled with AOE and taunts with a Nozdormu in unranked play for dailies |
| 19:18.51 | Simca | fun shit |
| 19:19.47 | Simca | it's not terrible, mainly because zoo lock decks vs explosive trap = lul |
| 19:20.03 | karl_w_w | i've been ranking up using the deck from the screenshot, it's quite easy actually |
| 19:24.52 | karl_w_w | http://www.hearthhead.com/deck=64207/get-blessed |
| 19:25.38 | karl_w_w | there's probably room for improvement, but I can't work out where |
| 19:26.39 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: if you buff with abusive and then double champ, what happens? |
| 19:26.44 | karl_w_w | I think blessed champion and crazed alchemist are the only cards that modify a minion based on its current stats |
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| 19:26.56 | karl_w_w | double champ? |
| 19:27.00 | jleclanche | er |
| 19:27.01 | jleclanche | blessed champ |
| 19:27.13 | karl_w_w | i dont remember |
| 19:27.22 | karl_w_w | im pretty sure the +2 gets doubled |
| 19:27.30 | jleclanche | and at the end of the turn? |
| 19:27.35 | karl_w_w | I don't often get to the stage where I need the blessed champion |
| 19:28.08 | karl_w_w | wouldnt know, if i have done it I've won that turn |
| 19:28.30 | jleclanche | stop winning |
| 19:29.26 | karl_w_w | see if I can test it in practice |
| 19:31.26 | jleclanche | im testing it too |
| 19:31.36 | karl_w_w | yep, the 2 gets doubled and at the end of the turn it loses 4 |
| 19:31.42 | jleclanche | WHAT |
| 19:32.22 | karl_w_w | I had a 4 attack base minion went up to 12, down to 8 next turn |
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| 20:04.20 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: discussed it with another RE and arrived to this conclusion: https://pay.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/2d6651/blessed_champions_behaviour_with_buffs_makes_no/ |
| 20:47.39 | Neffi | ugh. call from my dad "hey verizon's offering me a bunch of money off my bill. do me a favor and go to <site that's NOT verizon.com>" <_< |
| 20:47.59 | Neffi | is there's a place to report these sites, by the way? |
| 20:48.39 | kd3 | the fcc? |
| 20:49.05 | Neffi | of course they have whois protection |
| 20:49.09 | Neffi | fuck whois protection |
| 20:50.33 | Fisker | Look up the host |
| 20:52.58 | Neffi | Well I'm going ahead and reporting it to Google and the proper US dpt, since they seem to be based in the US. The domain registrar's office is closed, so I'll make that call later. I'll look up the host next |
| 20:53.05 | Neffi | Nobody scams my father! |
| 20:53.20 | Fisker | O_o |
| 20:53.50 | Fisker | Report it to the relevant parties instead of all that nonsense |
| 20:55.38 | Neffi | Which relevant parties? I'm looking up their host now, I said |
| 20:56.14 | karl_w_w | Neffi, this time would be better spent educating the naive in your life |
| 20:56.26 | Neffi | I educated him already |
| 20:56.34 | Neffi | it doesn't really stick though |
| 20:58.23 | Fisker | You're apparently making at least 3 separate reports and preparing for a fourth when you basically only need one |
| 20:59.38 | Neffi | Well his host is based in the Dominican Republic and I can't even find any place to report abuse with the translated page |
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| 21:35.05 | foxlit | For fun, try comparing achievement statistics in a raid group, in combat. |
| 21:49.46 | Neffi | which tank class you guys think looks best/most fun in WoD so far? |
| 21:50.28 | Semlar | hunter |
| 21:50.35 | Neffi | ~lart Semlar |
| 21:50.35 | purl | whacks Semlar with a giant beaver's tail |
| 21:51.12 | Semlar | neffiiiii http://pastebin.com/EnjtKvF3 |
| 21:51.33 | Gethe | Neffi: brewmaster post-tuning |
| 21:51.42 | Neffi | Semlar: what do the comments mean? |
| 21:52.16 | Semlar | vignette id numbers, and anything with a name in the comment means their vignette name doesn't match the mob name |
| 21:52.40 | Neffi | why'd you choose to store them by name instead of the last list you pasted? |
| 21:52.55 | Semlar | because the name is all you have in-game to identify them |
| 21:53.01 | Neffi | ah, ok |
| 21:53.06 | kullervo | Gethe: post-tune brewmaster is nearly paladin level ridiculous |
| 21:53.12 | Neffi | there was a little easy space optimization for your last paste |
| 21:53.30 | kullervo | post-tune DK is alright but REALLY suffers from the lack of pre-mitigation |
| 21:53.34 | Neffi | there were only a few holes, so if you filled them with false, you'd probably get a space optimization, since the VM would store it entirely in the array part |
| 21:54.00 | Gethe | they have not done tuning yet |
| 21:54.15 | Neffi | Thoughts on Guardian? |
| 21:54.27 | kullervo | boring, feels like blob of lard |
| 21:54.52 | Gethe | Guardian is OP atm |
| 21:54.58 | Neffi | yeah, I find it kinda boring. but I'm not very experienced with guardian tanking, and wasn't sure about exactly what impact the listed changes had |
| 21:55.10 | kullervo | warrior's pretty good since the skill cap is high and it has many good tricks |
| 21:55.27 | Neffi | PvP's gonna be a big focus and I'm iffy on monk PvP |
| 21:55.39 | Neffi | then again I don't have warrior looms, but I do have monk looms <_< |
| 21:55.43 | kullervo | paladin's completely ridiculous due to their self heals |
| 21:56.16 | Neffi | I always felt like paladin was boring, but they've been redesigned since last I played them. Might give it a go |
| 21:56.44 | Gethe | right not on beta it's Guard/DK>>War/Pally>>Monk but they haven done tuning yet |
| 21:56.45 | Semlar | i almost never see a paladin tank on live |
| 21:57.22 | kullervo | hmh that was alarming, my mouse's lights started blinking and the mode selection went dark like it was some scifi device that had been hit by an EMP |
| 21:57.56 | Neffi | Gethe: I heard a DK complaining about WoD changes. |
| 21:58.06 | kullervo | the usb connection had come loose |
| 21:58.36 | Gethe | Neffi: meh everyone is complaining about WoD changes |
| 21:58.58 | kullervo | DKs at least HAD a ridiculous amount of downtime in their rotation |
| 21:59.24 | kullervo | afaik brewmaster is the only tank that will never (while in melee range) have empty globals |
| 21:59.25 | Neffi | Well, meh. You're right that tuning hasn't happened yet. There's a lot to be done. I'm really wondering what looks most fun, not most OP |
| 21:59.46 | Gethe | that list though is in tanking ability, not so much how it feels to play |
| 22:00.24 | Semlar | i think it's way too early to start judging classes on the beta |
| 22:00.31 | Gethe | yeah BrM is great if you dont like empty globals |
| 22:00.52 | Gethe | free tiger palm FTW |
| 22:00.54 | Semlar | your rotation is one thing, but your tanking ability is definitely going to change |
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| 22:06.44 | foxlit | are there more macro slots in WoD? |
| 22:07.19 | Gethe | account macros yes |
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| 22:08.36 | foxlit | and all the constants are in a LoD addon :/ |
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| 22:30.16 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/OxzAKhg.gif |
| 22:37.21 | Gethe | Neffi: fake |
| 22:40.45 | Neffi | doesnt look fake |
| 22:40.59 | Neffi | just obscenely unlikely |
| 22:49.48 | Arrowmaster | going through and updating question answers on okcupid after a long time results in some drastic changes |
| 22:57.20 | Arrowmaster | so many changes |
| 23:04.56 | foxlit | /runmacro [mod] That Other Macro |
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| 23:51.16 | foxlit | incidentially, that caused some fun debugging. I essentially had a pack(table, f(...)) function and a pair of tables that I would swap whenever I wanted to save a particular functionâs return values for a longer amount of time. |
| 23:52.52 | foxlit | unfortunately, if f(...) recursed and caused the tables to be swapped an odd number of times, its return values would be written into the âwrong" table. |
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