| 00:01.12 | Wobin | amazing http://www.twitch.tv/fishplayspokemon |
| 00:10.40 | Neffi | wat |
| 00:13.35 | Neffi | Wobin: wtf |
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| 00:22.29 | Stanzilla | new builderino |
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| 00:22.51 | Semlar | changes? |
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| 00:24.33 | Simca_ | just exe update |
| 00:46.07 | Kraps | has D3 changed lately |
| 00:47.57 | Stanzilla | yes, on the ptr |
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| 01:05.04 | Kraps | are there patch notes Stanzilla |
| 01:06.01 | Stanzilla | those are not for this patch though |
| 01:30.26 | karl_w_w | oh nice, dota 2 mod scripting is done in lua |
| 01:34.46 | karl_w_w | and valve has documentation! |
| 01:37.01 | znf | I'm stumped. |
| 01:37.03 | Neffi | i refuse to believe in this mythical "documentation" |
| 01:37.07 | znf | I deployed a new VPS |
| 01:37.23 | znf | ubuntu 14.04 64bit; php-fpm 5.5; light httpd; mariadb |
| 01:37.32 | znf | I install wordpress on it, everything works fine |
| 01:37.40 | znf | I install a theme I want to use... it breaks |
| 01:37.46 | znf | same theme works on different setups |
| 01:37.59 | znf | There's no error, nothing gets output to the browser or logs |
| 01:38.19 | Sharparam | eww php :3 |
| 01:38.23 | znf | shush |
| 01:38.33 | znf | I seriously have absolutely no idea where to look |
| 01:38.42 | znf | if I remove random files of the theme, I get an error |
| 01:38.49 | znf | (which I guess it's good..?) |
| 01:38.52 | Sharparam | i just upgraded my vps to 14.04 |
| 01:38.54 | Dagmar | Somewhere the theme should say waht version of PHP it's compatible with |
| 01:38.56 | Dagmar | Otherwise, check the damn error_log |
| 01:38.57 | Sharparam | it worked WITHOUT ANY ISSUES |
| 01:39.09 | Sharparam | i'm now anticipating shit going down any minute |
| 01:39.27 | Dagmar | Sharparam: I know that feeling. |
| 01:39.41 | znf | Dagmar, absolutely NOTHING in the erorr log |
| 01:39.45 | Dagmar | "All 296 packages updated without a problem... the system seems stable. Should we reboot it anyway?" |
| 01:39.55 | Dagmar | "IT'S A TRAP! REBOOT IT NOW! NOW!" |
| 01:40.08 | Sharparam | since it was release upgrade, reboot was forced |
| 01:40.15 | Kraps | booo http://diablo.gamepedia.com/Diablo_III_Beta_Patches |
| 01:40.24 | Dagmar | znf: Right so... This is a PHP app, and it's Wordpress, and it's some jackholes theme |
| 01:40.25 | Kraps | oh |
| 01:40.31 | Kraps | durr |
| 01:40.39 | Dagmar | znf: Go check the server config to be certain it's _actually logging errors there_. |
| 01:40.43 | znf | but, same theme works fine on the same conditions |
| 01:40.50 | znf | Dagmar, I've been doing this for like 2 hours |
| 01:40.55 | znf | _all_ the logs are blank |
| 01:41.29 | Dagmar | Cuz there being nothing in the logs with those three conditions in play is like having "teenagers", "naked", and "lake" and just saying "Oh I'm sure there's no questionable behaviour going on" |
| 01:41.34 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/UE93JmV.png |
| 01:41.42 | Dagmar | Clearly, it's not logging things to the right place then |
| 01:41.55 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/eqzQGRn.png |
| 01:41.57 | znf | yes it is |
| 01:42.11 | znf | I removed random files from the theme, stuff spits out |
| 01:42.43 | Dagmar | Okay that's a good sign, sort of, but it mysteriously not working means something is broke and it's probably expecting PHP 5.4 or somethig |
| 01:43.11 | Dagmar | I kid you not Wordpress, phpMyAdmin, and Drupal are practically notorious for being sensitive to changes in PHP |
| 01:43.14 | znf | I thought that, too... |
| 01:43.26 | znf | but I installed the same theme on another 14.04 install, with the same php version |
| 01:43.31 | znf | just that it's 32bit |
| 01:43.34 | znf | and it works |
| 01:43.48 | Semlar | permissions? |
| 01:43.52 | Dagmar | Kill it with fire. |
| 01:44.09 | Semlar | what do you mean it doesn't work, anyway |
| 01:44.18 | Semlar | what do you get |
| 01:44.30 | Semlar | do you have a link |
| 01:44.52 | Dagmar | "Undefined index:" is something that's going to mean "PHP code detected" to me for the next 20 years at least |
| 01:45.16 | Dagmar | Also, horrifyingly quick server meltdowns when users are allowed to write their own crap |
| 01:45.18 | znf | oook, I fixed it |
| 01:45.28 | Semlar | are you an orangutan |
| 01:45.36 | znf | functions.php had: |
| 01:45.40 | Sharparam | Semlar: you are not? |
| 01:45.43 | Semlar | ook |
| 01:45.47 | znf | <?php include('images/social.png'); ?> |
| 01:45.49 | znf | at the end of it |
| 01:45.54 | znf | I removed that, it works. |
| 01:46.08 | Semlar | it's trying to include an image? |
| 01:46.09 | Dagmar | *blinkblink* |
| 01:46.17 | Semlar | i like this theme |
| 01:46.37 | Semlar | sounds like a virus |
| 01:46.52 | Dagmar | Well, it's Wordpress. |
| 01:47.03 | Dagmar | If it's been up for more than about 10 minutes, it's probably compromised. |
| 01:47.13 | Semlar | just name a php file .png, act like it's an image |
| 01:47.17 | Dagmar | ...and yes, that's definitely someone's shit worm |
| 01:47.37 | Dagmar | That doesn't include the image in the page, it makes PHP load that as more PHP instructions. |
| 01:47.53 | znf | Semlar, a non-existing file |
| 01:48.01 | Dagmar | I betcha the MOON if you go find that file, it'll have decode_base64 and/or gzinflate in it |
| 01:48.19 | Semlar | maybe it deleted itself |
| 01:48.31 | Sharparam | die('goodbye cruel world'); |
| 01:48.31 | Dagmar | A webshell can certainly do that to hide |
| 01:48.49 | Semlar | php would throw an error if you try to include a nonexistant file.. |
| 01:48.58 | Sharparam | die should totally be modified to delete the file it's called in |
| 01:48.59 | Semlar | or at LEAST a warning |
| 01:49.13 | Dagmar | Semlar: Unless, of course, the skiddies have been in there long enough to fuck over the server's config |
| 01:49.51 | Dagmar | I would go and look up all the major pieces involved there against the CVE sites |
| 01:50.00 | Dagmar | Or just google them with "vulnerability" added and the version |
| 01:50.16 | Dagmar | You literally _must_ keep all the pieces of Wordpress you use up to date all the time |
| 01:50.35 | Dagmar | The recess time is fairly short, but the time-to-POC is like two months |
| 01:50.46 | Semlar | seriously though, that looks like an attack |
| 01:50.54 | Semlar | so you may be compromised |
| 01:50.56 | Dagmar | Semlar: I can assure you it's an attack |
| 01:51.04 | Dagmar | Like, I am one hundred fucking percent sure |
| 01:51.09 | Dagmar | OKay maybe 99%. |
| 01:51.24 | Dagmar | I have a goddamn collection of webshells here I've taken out of compromised systems |
| 01:51.33 | Kraps | guesssing there no eta on 2.1 |
| 01:51.44 | Dagmar | It was literally a bimonthly event at Vanderbilt for three years |
| 01:52.16 | Dagmar | Twice a month I could go traipsing through the web environment, and be guaranteed to find someone's un-updated and rather compromised Wordpress install |
| 01:52.44 | Dagmar | We had mod_security rules stacked to the ceiling as a result |
| 01:52.59 | Semlar | znf: what theme is this |
| 01:53.08 | Dagmar | They could get the shit on there, but actually running it was somehting there were a few thousand rules in place to stop |
| 01:54.53 | Dagmar | znf: I would strongly suggest updating the fuck out of everything, building a clean installation and copying your configuration details into it. Then changing all the passwords in the mysql database |
| 01:55.02 | Dagmar | ...and the mysql database passwords. |
| 01:55.17 | znf | mhm |
| 01:55.21 | Semlar | and change the locks on your doors |
| 01:55.24 | znf | that's the only thing running on that VPS anyway |
| 01:55.41 | Dagmar | Semlar: I got my CISSP in 2000, when you basically had to be hardcore or you failed. |
| 01:56.01 | Dagmar | The only reason I do admin work and not netsec is because netsec makes me _hate people_ |
| 01:56.12 | Semlar | i was like 11 in 2000 |
| 01:56.27 | Dagmar | Just about anyone coming to me as a customer, I would invariably hate before all was said and done. |
| 01:56.29 | Dagmar | Screw that. |
| 01:56.54 | Dagmar | At least as an admin I can say "It's broken, and it's _your_ mess. You get to clean it up." |
| 01:57.22 | Semlar | delegate! |
| 01:57.35 | Neffi | propagate |
| 01:57.51 | Semlar | procrastinate? |
| 01:58.02 | TC-Work | procrasturbate. |
| 01:58.03 | Dagmar | It also prevents me from saying honest things like "No I will not clean up your mess because you're the one who presented yourself as a professional server operator with all of a months' prior experience and noobed it all up." |
| 01:58.10 | Neffi | alligates Semlar |
| 01:58.17 | Semlar | agitates neffi |
| 01:58.27 | Neffi | is agitated |
| 01:58.30 | znf | It's quite interesting. |
| 01:58.36 | Semlar | it's super effective! |
| 01:58.45 | znf | The exploit starts with error_reporting(0); ini_set('display_errors', 0) |
| 01:58.47 | Dagmar | I can stand there and say "I'm sorry. That's in user application space. We only maintain the operating system for you." and smile. |
| 01:58.50 | znf | so that's why I wasn't getting anything :) |
| 01:59.01 | Kraps | Dexterity no longer grants Dodge chance |
| 01:59.03 | Kraps | Dexterity now grants 1 Armor per point |
| 01:59.19 | Dagmar | znf: Now you start to understand why I was over here going "You have _that_ and you're not seeing errors? It must be broken." |
| 01:59.22 | Semlar | monks now have less dodge than my crusader |
| 01:59.32 | Kraps | :/ |
| 01:59.35 | Dagmar | error_log is a constant scroll of idiocy on a typical wp install |
| 01:59.56 | Semlar | fear my 0.4% chance to dodge! |
| 01:59.59 | Dagmar | If it's not complaining about undefined indices, then the server fell over |
| 02:00.20 | znf | Dagmar, well, that's why I was wondering, too; I knew that was impossible |
| 02:00.51 | Dagmar | znf: Protip. chattr +i many files |
| 02:01.19 | Dagmar | It sets the immutable flag, meaning not even root can change the file anymore without removing that flag first. |
| 02:01.28 | Dagmar | It's not a complete fix but it's a good start |
| 02:02.03 | znf | this was the theme that came infected :) |
| 02:02.04 | Dagmar | ..and you're going to want to look over the list of users and what their passwords are set to (the ones _in_ the mysql database, for WP) |
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| 02:02.17 | znf | and, like I said, it's a fresh new project, so nothing compromised |
| 02:02.17 | Dagmar | znf: Wow. I would suggest reporting that immediately then |
| 02:02.27 | znf | every password was generated now, so no biggie |
| 02:02.30 | znf | I can just start clean |
| 02:02.40 | Dagmar | Cool beans |
| 02:02.46 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/LZANlRk.jpg much dodge |
| 02:02.51 | Kraps | Replaced with: "Shocking Grasp" |
| 02:02.53 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.55 | Kraps | neat |
| 02:05.30 | Dagmar | znf: If you grep -R for base64_decode, it'll probably trigger on some file or other with a massive binhex string |
| 02:06.27 | znf | this is the exploit: http://pastebin.com/nqU5Ewt2 |
| 02:06.31 | znf | qute complex |
| 02:06.43 | Semlar | hax |
| 02:06.53 | Dagmar | Gonna be a webshell |
| 02:07.02 | Dagmar | Just about guaranteed |
| 02:07.18 | znf | yeah |
| 02:07.33 | Dagmar | Oh lewk an INSERT INTO statement near the bottom |
| 02:08.18 | Dagmar | It's definitely been after your mysql tables |
| 02:08.38 | Dagmar | Ooo and it sent them somewhere |
| 02:10.22 | znf | Dagmar, it inserts stuff into your headers/footers |
| 02:10.27 | Dagmar | No shit |
| 02:10.29 | Dagmar | I mean of course |
| 02:10.36 | Dagmar | This is a spamming worm |
| 02:10.40 | znf | ie: links to spamsites |
| 02:10.41 | znf | yup |
| 02:11.01 | karl_w_w | http://www.twitch.tv/reimudesu I really don't understand how this is possible |
| 02:11.01 | Dagmar | I've removed a bunch of these but this is the first one I've seen that's quite this organized about it |
| 02:11.13 | Stanzilla | znf: so basicly you pirated a theme and it came with an exploit? :D |
| 02:11.15 | Dagmar | It literally phones home to get the latest list of links to spam and puts them in their own MySQL table |
| 02:11.25 | znf | Stanzilla, wasn't me this time! but yeah! :D |
| 02:11.35 | Stanzilla | I heard that happens |
| 02:11.46 | Dagmar | I've got this thing in a disposable non-networked VM unraveling it like an onion |
| 02:11.49 | Stanzilla | karl_w_w: osu is already pretty insane but I dare you to try touhou |
| 02:12.04 | karl_w_w | touhou is easier |
| 02:12.10 | Dagmar | I'm almost surprised you weren't already getting dire warnings from Google |
| 02:12.11 | Stanzilla | youthink? |
| 02:12.15 | karl_w_w | i do |
| 02:12.23 | znf | Dagmar, like I said, fresh project. |
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| 02:12.29 | karl_w_w | touhou is just pattern memory |
| 02:12.30 | znf | like, barely installed less than ~3 hours |
| 02:12.39 | karl_w_w | osu is pattern memory with insane speed |
| 02:12.41 | Dagmar | Okay wow so that theme really did come pre-haxed |
| 02:12.44 | znf | Yes |
| 02:13.00 | Dagmar | Sounds liek a job for a nice length of steel pipe |
| 02:13.05 | Dagmar | wakka wakka |
| 02:13.07 | karl_w_w | i doubt i could even press the button fast enough for these difficulties let alone hit the circles |
| 02:13.45 | znf | A friend was trying to set it up, and he couldn't figure out what was going wrong. Told him to look into error_logs, he said nothing spit out. I was baffled. So I came home, wiped his VPS (thinking he was somehow a complete retard because he mentioned that he "followed a tutorial"), and started everything myself |
| 02:13.57 | znf | I was O.O when the same thing happened ot me and I really couldn't find any logs |
| 02:14.20 | Dagmar | hehe yeah I would have probably started yelling "OKAY WHERE DID YOU GET THIS THEME FROM" |
| 02:14.48 | znf | well, he mentioned he had the theme running on localhost, so clearly not the issue with the theme |
| 02:14.58 | znf | I took the theme and I run it on another install, worked fine |
| 02:15.31 | Dagmar | I've had to yell at more than one or two students about "ONLY download themes from WP's site, or people you trust, and by 'trust' I mean 'can conveniently beat to death'" |
| 02:15.34 | znf | My guess is that the exploit wasn't 'designed' to run under 64bit, and something broke it (as people who dissasembled it mentioned that it run some shell commands) |
| 02:15.49 | Dagmar | znf: It's making some openssl calls |
| 02:16.07 | Dagmar | Looks like the communication with the C&C servers is over a genuinely encrypted connection |
| 02:16.25 | Dagmar | Like, these people do not mean for someone to easily steal control of their network |
| 02:17.07 | Dagmar | Hence the public key being there |
| 02:17.45 | znf | I'm quite impressed by the complexion of this exploit tbh |
| 02:18.05 | Dagmar | This is what happens when it stops being angry teens and starts being people's 9-5 job. |
| 02:18.52 | Dagmar | You start seeing attacks that involve going from expoitation to active abuse of server resources in seconds flat, because they're targeting thousands of servers at once in a highly automated fashion |
| 02:19.00 | znf | Ok, so the source is http://getnulledscripts.com/ |
| 02:19.22 | Dagmar | Oh fucking Joomla |
| 02:19.23 | Dagmar | seriously? |
| 02:19.50 | Dagmar | At the bottom of the list of shit that you might like to run if you like risk, there sits Joomla |
| 02:20.35 | znf | randomly downloaded a theme from there now to check |
| 02:20.38 | znf | ofc, it has social.png |
| 02:20.42 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 02:20.53 | Kesava | ... beta characters were wiped again? |
| 02:20.55 | Dagmar | "Get Nulled" basically means "defanged pirated software" |
| 02:21.10 | znf | Even more interesting |
| 02:21.21 | znf | Seems the exploit is designed to run on both joomla and wordpress |
| 02:21.44 | Dagmar | It'll run on literally anything but it's written to take over WP or Joomla easily |
| 02:22.11 | Dagmar | I find their virustotal entries to be hilarious |
| 02:23.00 | Dagmar | ...because virtually no one _ever_ checks the goddamn checksums |
| 02:23.01 | znf | virus total doesn't actually flag that file as an exploit |
| 02:23.09 | znf | actually that's the correct checksum |
| 02:23.17 | znf | I just reuploaded the file to them |
| 02:23.33 | Dagmar | Even omre hilarious then because it also means they're just modding their backdoor each time so that it's not detected |
| 02:23.54 | znf | Or nothing has this exploit in their database, yet :) |
| 02:23.56 | znf | no signature |
| 02:23.59 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 02:24.37 | znf | and you're right, the file is not identical |
| 02:24.44 | Dagmar | A heuristic check would find this file to be _incredibly_ fishy |
| 02:24.48 | znf | 46.173 bytes vs. 46.177 bytes |
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| 02:25.19 | znf | https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/6210806fcc7041a6bbb7c3f3ccefaaf5417fb446391a158462197e6a3c19faf5/analysis/ |
| 02:25.25 | Dagmar | base64_decode appears only _very rarely_ in legit webstuff |
| 02:27.04 | znf | so the only malware scanner that picks it up as a threat is Bkav (wth is Bkav?) |
| 02:27.15 | znf | But only when scanning the exploit itself |
| 02:27.19 | znf | Not when it's located in a .zip |
| 02:27.21 | Dagmar | Probably some people who are actually putting some effort into things |
| 02:27.45 | znf | http://virusscan.jotti.org/en/scanresult/f39692e23a649482c407a997c843fc9ee6927040/556f6ae9d718db6abb83e84667c445c3b405055f |
| 02:27.56 | znf | How do I submit something to all these scanners? :-/ |
| 02:28.58 | Dagmar | After about six months of hunting down the same crap all the time I actually wrote a perl script to just go evaluate all new files every week and yell abuot anything with base64_decode and gzdeflate in it, and anything that had certain high occurrences of the same long string, i.e., the $b23kj32b3Hn2k function names |
| 02:30.01 | Dagmar | I know a few people who were doing much more advanced stuff and this would red-flag in a white-hot second to their stuff |
| 02:30.33 | Dagmar | If code contained more than X% of dynamic information, i.e., all these damn variables... it would be considered suspect because of the obfuscation |
| 02:30.58 | Dagmar | In practice not a lot of code does that, and what does is easy enough to whitelist |
| 02:32.15 | znf | So, how the fuck do I submit this file to major AV vendors? |
| 02:32.36 | Dagmar | Go round to each one one at a time |
| 02:32.56 | Kraps | Removed the additional damage dealt in a line |
| 02:33.00 | Kraps | wow thanks |
| 02:33.26 | Kraps | replace it with damage in a circle plz |
| 02:35.37 | Kraps | Replaced with: "Alacrity" |
| 02:35.38 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.41 | Kraps | this is good |
| 02:35.49 | Kraps | probably op |
| 02:43.06 | Dagmar | znf: At least one of the things in your favor at this point is that *some* of those antivir people will flag a file just because the *other* antivir vendors did |
| 02:43.23 | znf | or I can do this |
| 02:43.24 | znf | http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/how-report-malware-or-false-positives-multiple-antivirus-vendors.htm#List_Of_All_Vendors |
| 02:43.24 | znf | :) |
| 02:43.31 | Dagmar | Oooh handy |
| 02:45.49 | Cairenn | virustotal.com |
| 02:45.59 | znf | Message has been sent |
| 02:46.00 | znf | Cairenn, ? |
| 02:46.09 | Cairenn | <3 virustotal |
| 02:46.17 | znf | well, judging by https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/6210806fcc7041a6bbb7c3f3ccefaaf5417fb446391a158462197e6a3c19faf5/analysis/ |
| 02:46.22 | znf | </3 virtustotal |
| 02:48.34 | znf | oh, all the automated replies... |
| 02:49.33 | znf | mkay, now how to google block that website |
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| 03:00.14 | kd3 | :( looks like my pi and my router didn't survive that lightning strike/power outage |
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| 03:16.34 | pompy | znf: https://www.malwarebytes.org/antiexploit/ try this |
| 03:16.51 | znf | ...? |
| 03:17.09 | znf | How's that going to help? :P |
| 03:17.16 | pompy | Dunno |
| 03:17.53 | Dagmar | It's not going to do a thing to protect server-side |
| 03:18.06 | znf | Amazon refunded the Qi charger I never got :( |
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| 03:19.43 | Stanzilla | znf: pompy has a friend that works there, he's advertising their stuff all the time :P |
| 03:19.57 | znf | pompy, OH! Good. |
| 03:20.02 | znf | pompy, so you can submit a file for analysis for me! |
| 03:20.37 | znf | Stanzilla, should I try ordering again from amazon.de? :-/ |
| 03:20.49 | Stanzilla | they'll just rob you again |
| 03:21.50 | znf | I want a fuckin' Qi charger :-/ |
| 03:22.40 | pompy | znf: https://forums.malwarebytes.org/index.php?/forum/51-newest-malware-threats/ |
| 03:22.43 | Stanzilla | order in your own country? |
| 03:23.12 | znf | Stanzilla, there's _4_ available. All of them are white, and cost +20⬠more than on amazon.de |
| 03:24.05 | Stanzilla | gg |
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| 03:25.01 | znf | I don't even know how much I get refunded :-| |
| 03:25.13 | kd3 | huzzah. was able to recover the router. now to see if I can do the same for my pi |
| 03:25.23 | Ressy | poor kd3 |
| 03:25.48 | Stanzilla | what happened? |
| 03:25.59 | Ressy | lightning strike near his house |
| 03:26.05 | kd3 | lightning took out a transformer down the block. lost power for ~3 hours |
| 03:26.13 | Stanzilla | oh damn |
| 03:26.23 | Ressy | no permanent damage? |
| 03:26.47 | pompy | znf: it shows you the refund at the bottom of the "order details" page |
| 03:27.01 | kd3 | the crew was able to fix whatever needed to be fixed. I saw several wires with their insulation blown off, though |
| 03:27.12 | znf | pompy, I also had a giftcard |
| 03:27.14 | kd3 | kinda alarming |
| 03:28.42 | znf | wtb friends to play Ingress with |
| 03:28.55 | pompy | znf: yeah, it'll say how the refund was handed out lol' |
| 03:31.04 | znf | yeah, found it |
| 03:34.50 | Dagmar | As long as you don't live in teh sticks, mainly you just turn on the client and holler in faction chat |
| 03:40.43 | znf | well... I make new friends hard :P |
| 03:40.52 | znf | I want to make some links/fields over a large distance |
| 03:41.01 | znf | but driving back and forward 20kms 3 times would be tedious |
| 03:41.10 | znf | so would be nice to have some friends to bring more keys :P |
| 03:42.36 | Jamash | I wonder if I could write a svn trigger to play https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9825532HbI when I check in |
| 03:48.38 | Jamash | znf: at first I couldn't figure out how/why you would want to play a relational database |
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| 04:14.02 | Semlar | is bladespire fortress something that needs to be unlocked through questing |
| 04:16.00 | kd3 | yes. it's hostile until you sack it |
| 04:16.16 | Semlar | http://wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=294978&postcount=1 this person couldn't have picked a less convenient example |
| 04:16.25 | Semlar | i can't even get to the area he's talking about |
| 04:16.27 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/frquest#Siege_of_Bladespire_Fortress |
| 04:17.09 | jleclanche | the problem of rebooting every 2 months is when you do reboot, you end up troubleshooting your irc client or something |
| 04:17.48 | Semlar | questing would require me to put moves on my bars and that's not going to happen |
| 04:28.21 | Neffi | jleclanche: just dont reboot |
| 04:28.29 | jleclanche | yeah. |
| 04:34.26 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/tQMbMJt heheh |
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| 04:57.45 | znf | Why isn't there a better/modern log analyzing solution these days? :( |
| 05:00.24 | Dashkal | >.> |
| 05:02.47 | Mr_Rabies | oh jesus this is like an oney face |
| 05:02.48 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/Q8Pxqb7.png |
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| 05:04.40 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/LGxXvGB.jpg |
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| 05:08.44 | Neffi | lol |
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| 05:26.25 | Mr_Rabies | urgh |
| 05:26.35 | Mr_Rabies | this 48-58 or so block still suuuuucks |
| 05:27.03 | Mr_Rabies | hardly any dungeons, few interesting spells, etc |
| 05:29.07 | Gethe | and they are taking UBRS from that block too, so it'll be worse |
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| 05:30.57 | Mr_Rabies | really? they're not doing a lowbie version of it? |
| 05:32.33 | Gethe | nope normal and heroic at 100 |
| 05:40.20 | Shirik_ | kd3: have you been following this monkey selfie business? |
| 05:41.05 | kd3 | somewhat, not really, though. I agree with enwiki's position |
| 05:41.13 | Wobin | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMpZrta2Cwc |
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| 06:15.04 | Mr_Rabies | what do most people do on their alts at that level? the questing even kinda sucks at that level after the first time through |
| 06:18.56 | nebula169 | usually just dungeon grind |
| 06:25.27 | karl_w_w | as alliance I think I quested through blasted lands at that level |
| 06:25.59 | karl_w_w | the new-ish hub there is not bad |
| 06:26.17 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:27.34 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 06:27.46 | Mr_Rabies | i mouseover my wow process on the taskbar |
| 06:28.25 | Mr_Rabies | the preview just shows my panda repeatedly buttslamming the darkmoon carosel |
| 06:28.36 | Mr_Rabies | as i repeatedly oscillate between afk and not afk |
| 06:33.57 | Mr_Rabies | 20 minutes in dungeon queue :( |
| 06:34.04 | Mr_Rabies | there we go |
| 06:34.12 | Mr_Rabies | now hopefully this group won't be terrible at BRD |
| 06:34.47 | Mr_Rabies | ah, dps missed the queue |
| 06:34.51 | Mr_Rabies | yay :( |
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| 06:44.46 | foxlit | 48 is when monks unlock Spinning Fire Blossom, which is hilariously OP until like 65. |
| 06:46.39 | foxlit | Iâm fond of south Kalimdor for the 40-60 range; Tanaris/Unâgoro/Silithus/(Blasted Lands if you donât hit 60) are usually okay. |
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| 07:04.13 | nevcairiel | south kalimdor is so hard to reach for alliance |
| 07:05.08 | nevcairiel | i usually do the classics, searing gorge, burning steppes, swamp of sorrows, blasted lands |
| 07:05.14 | nevcairiel | although blasted lands is doing away |
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| 07:12.09 | Simca_ | those classics used to have awful levels of questing, tbh, very few quests before revamp |
| 07:12.34 | Simca_ | pretty much always better to do Tanaris --> Un'goro pre-Cata |
| 07:12.54 | Semlar | random dungeon -> random dungeon -> random dungeon |
| 07:13.07 | nevcairiel | after cataclysm it usually worked out quite nicely for me |
| 07:13.31 | nevcairiel | I agree that before it was a bit terrible |
| 07:14.26 | Mr_Rabies | pretty much anything is hard to reach considering my farthest flight point is like |
| 07:14.29 | Mr_Rabies | ...lakeshire |
| 07:14.43 | Mr_Rabies | really wish autolearning flight points was still a thing |
| 07:14.50 | Mr_Rabies | dumb to remove it in its entirety |
| 07:15.05 | Mr_Rabies | i think once a zone's average quest level becomes grey, all of its flight points should open up |
| 07:15.12 | Mr_Rabies | or something :( |
| 07:15.42 | nevcairiel | dont they teach you a whole lot of flight points automatically now |
| 07:15.43 | Mr_Rabies | or you're n+1 the appropriate expansion's level cap |
| 07:15.48 | nevcairiel | my new chars always had quite a lot |
| 07:15.50 | Mr_Rabies | nope, not anymore |
| 07:16.14 | Mr_Rabies | i have sw->goldshire, then did a few quests in westfall and redridge |
| 07:16.23 | Mr_Rabies | and ironforge->kharanos |
| 07:16.35 | nevcairiel | weird, when did that stop? |
| 07:16.44 | nevcairiel | i'm kinda sure some chars i created during MoP still had them |
| 07:16.48 | Mr_Rabies | sometime during MoP |
| 07:17.01 | nevcairiel | hm ok |
| 07:17.02 | Mr_Rabies | they stopped autolearning them as you leveled up |
| 07:17.12 | Mr_Rabies | it's dumb that they removed it and they should bring them back |
| 07:17.25 | Mr_Rabies | er, bring it back |
| 07:17.32 | Shirik|Droid | My hotel has Belgian waffles |
| 07:17.34 | Shirik|Droid | I win |
| 07:18.13 | Semlar | are you in belgia |
| 07:19.03 | Shirik|Droid | wat |
| 07:19.06 | nevcairiel | its called belgium |
| 07:19.12 | Semlar | tomato tomato |
| 07:19.43 | Shirik|Droid | Nobody says tomatto |
| 07:21.37 | nebula169 | Shirik|Droid: most hotels have a do-it-yourself belgian waffle maker :p |
| 07:22.22 | Shirik|Droid | no this is Million times better |
| 07:22.50 | nebula169 | :o |
| 07:23.46 | Shirik|Droid | Not only did I not make it, it looks like it was made by a god |
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| 07:51.34 | p3lim | Shirik: Important question though, does it come with ice cream? |
| 07:52.51 | Shirik_ | no :( |
| 07:54.35 | haste | Shirik_: seems I'm doing 1M AP a week in Ingress atm :P |
| 07:54.43 | Shirik_ | wtf |
| 07:54.54 | Shirik_ | also I'm about to get a bunch of London keys :D |
| 07:55.05 | Shirik_ | I'll never be able to link to them, but I'll have them nonetheless |
| 07:55.23 | haste | http://i.imgur.com/g28GGwI.png I've been tracking :D |
| 07:55.39 | p3lim | One of these days there's gonna be an article in the newspaper about Ingress addiction, and your face is gonna be on the front page haste :p |
| 07:55.56 | haste | no, I'm not even in top 5 in activity in Oslo |
| 07:56.20 | haste | that's about two weeks of data Shirik_ |
| 07:58.24 | Kalroth | do you ever find yourself walking in the traffic while trying to get within range of a portal |
| 07:58.35 | Kalroth | not that i'd ever do that |
| 07:58.38 | haste | nope |
| 07:59.08 | haste | but I do find myself standing on the very corner of a street, hoping my GPS will nudge me into the portal :P |
| 08:00.26 | Kalroth | lol |
| 08:01.23 | haste | trying to get L13 atm, but missing so much |
| 08:01.32 | Kalroth | the worst portals are those located at places where smartphone usage isn't that popular |
| 08:01.45 | Kalroth | like around me there's two portals right outside a fitness center |
| 08:02.21 | sb | don't go in there, its a trap :D |
| 08:02.21 | Kalroth | i definitely look creepier than normal, stopping up outside the huge windows and looking at my phone for half a minute, then continuing |
| 08:02.24 | haste | we have a couple of portals located at a museum |
| 08:02.27 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/kxRRUz1 *chuckle* |
| 08:02.38 | haste | which usually closes at 18:00 or so |
| 08:02.49 | Kalroth | can't you just break in |
| 08:02.55 | haste | but they had extended hours for a short while, without updating their website about it |
| 08:03.04 | haste | so everyone thought some guy was tresspassing to get in |
| 08:03.11 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 08:03.17 | haste | and he also said he was "driving" |
| 08:03.21 | haste | but there aren't any roads :D |
| 08:03.38 | Kalroth | maybe he meant a wheelchair |
| 08:03.42 | haste | so he made a video :D |
| 08:03.47 | haste | no, he's danish |
| 08:03.54 | Kalroth | ahh okay, so he's crazy |
| 08:03.57 | haste | and you guys are insane and use "kjører" for sykling |
| 08:04.01 | haste | CYCLING |
| 08:04.01 | Kalroth | haha |
| 08:04.04 | haste | hi engrish |
| 08:04.07 | p3lim | xD |
| 08:04.08 | haste | we don't do that in Norway |
| 08:04.10 | Kalroth | yes, we ride a bike |
| 08:04.20 | haste | we say "sykler" :D |
| 08:04.29 | Kalroth | we do both |
| 08:04.43 | haste | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkKXKValwaA anyway, he made this :D |
| 08:04.51 | Kalroth | "jeg cykler en tur", "jeg kører på min cykel" |
| 08:05.26 | Kalroth | what a ninja! |
| 08:05.33 | haste | he was much worse during winter :P |
| 08:06.06 | p3lim | that video is gold :p |
| 08:06.09 | haste | yep |
| 08:07.57 | Shirik_ | haste: where is that report from? |
| 08:08.10 | haste | Shirik_: from my local database :P |
| 08:08.43 | haste | I use the screenshot thingy, then push the images to a local site I made that OCRs the image and pushes it into a DB |
| 08:08.57 | haste | started playing with web front-ends and such a couple of days ago |
| 08:09.02 | haste | but barely had any time to work on it yet |
| 08:09.49 | haste | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op3gGDeDfvI guess I'll abuse d3's bullet charts for it |
| 08:09.57 | haste | then add estimate time until next badge and level |
| 08:10.21 | haste | I've fixed most of the issues the bullet chart code has as well |
| 08:10.34 | haste | the animation is slightly broken in that video, but that's fixed |
| 08:10.40 | haste | and the colors are shit :D |
| 08:10.52 | haste | but I decided to just go for functionality, so I can actually get something out |
| 08:21.35 | p3lim | Sometimes my net drops out, I can't reach any website |
| 08:21.40 | p3lim | but irc works fine :s |
| 08:21.48 | Semlar | dns problem? |
| 08:21.55 | p3lim | most likely |
| 08:22.24 | p3lim | gotta call my isp |
| 08:22.32 | haste | might be bad ipv6 as well |
| 08:22.51 | p3lim | my modem doesn't support v6 |
| 08:22.55 | Semlar | well you could try different dns servers |
| 08:23.18 | haste | get a better router :P |
| 08:23.43 | p3lim | got a separate router and modem thankfully |
| 08:35.02 | karl_w_w | what do you need seperate ones for |
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| 08:44.01 | rid_ | karl_w_w: to not have your ISP bitching around in your network? |
| 08:45.08 | karl_w_w | they can't get past your modem |
| 08:45.18 | karl_w_w | because NAT |
| 08:45.26 | karl_w_w | and most modems have firewalls as well |
| 08:45.42 | rid_ | oh router! |
| 08:45.49 | rid_ | was reading switch |
| 08:46.03 | p3lim | the combined stuff we have here requires us to go to our ISP's website to change settings on our local router |
| 08:46.06 | rid_ | like modem/router/switch all in one bullshit |
| 08:46.09 | p3lim | don't want any of that crap |
| 08:46.29 | p3lim | thankfully I can opt out and just get a standalone modem |
| 08:47.11 | karl_w_w | that's whacky |
| 08:47.39 | karl_w_w | so if your internet goes down and you need to play with your modem settings you have to visit their website, when your internet is down |
| 08:47.46 | p3lim | yup |
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| 08:47.55 | p3lim | means I can't have an offline lan |
| 08:48.04 | p3lim | if theres no net the LAN is completely disabled |
| 08:50.13 | rid_ | lol what |
| 08:50.28 | p3lim | you can see why I wanted a normal modem :p |
| 08:51.43 | Maldivia | that sounds raelly really fubar |
| 08:54.14 | haste | strange ISP is strange |
| 09:00.50 | karl_w_w | on a completely unrelated note, how in hell do japanese people remember thousands of written characters? |
| 09:01.26 | haste | it becomes easier after the first 500 |
| 09:01.44 | haste | and in japanese you only have to remember about 2200 |
| 09:02.32 | haste | it's also fairly easy to just learn how to read them, but not write them |
| 09:03.30 | karl_w_w | only 2200 lol |
| 09:03.56 | Mr_Rabies | to be honest i really don't get how japanese works |
| 09:04.09 | Mr_Rabies | there are only 110 phonemes but a gorillion characters |
| 09:04.15 | Mr_Rabies | ~110 |
| 09:04.56 | Mr_Rabies | you'd think if vocal communication was possible with only 110 phonemes the written form could be drastically simplified but i guess that's just not how language works |
| 09:04.57 | haste | context helps a lot |
| 09:05.20 | Mr_Rabies | i can understand spoken japanese fairly well but good luck with written |
| 09:05.33 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 09:05.42 | Mr_Rabies | not really fairly well, okay enough |
| 09:06.03 | Mr_Rabies | especially if i'm on some kind of spacecraft in a sci-fi show |
| 09:06.49 | Mr_Rabies | purely from just hearing it enough in the past 20 years or so on tv shows, movies, etc |
| 09:09.27 | Kalroth | konnichiwa! |
| 09:09.40 | Mr_Rabies | couldn't speak it properly |
| 09:09.47 | karl_w_w | http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1k6t88/eli5_how_do_asian_chinese_japanese_korean_ect_and/ |
| 09:10.28 | karl_w_w | typing japanese kanji is like using predictive texting |
| 09:10.55 | karl_w_w | only there's no way to say "fuck it, let me spell it out for you" |
| 09:11.35 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i turned on japanese input and had some fun for a while |
| 09:12.14 | Mr_Rabies | still can't really rely on it, though without actually knowing if you're right :( |
| 09:13.35 | karl_w_w | maybe I'll just learn korean instead |
| 09:15.09 | Mr_Rabies | if only japanese was actually written in romaji i'd be way better off :( |
| 09:15.24 | haste | but then it would be absolutely horrible to read |
| 09:16.32 | Mr_Rabies | i suppose, but if it can be spoken with the same limitations, i don't see why it couldn't be written that way |
| 09:36.36 | Fisker | fgsfds haste |
| 09:37.27 | Mr_Rabies | dsfargeg |
| 10:09.03 | Fisker | what does that mean? |
| 10:13.16 | karl_w_w | fargeg is a new pet game on the nintendo DS |
| 10:13.46 | haste | Fisker: fds. |
| 10:13.48 | karl_w_w | a farg is a furry dog and you have to look after it from when it's just an eg |
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| 11:22.38 | Shirik | today, in very amusing vandalism https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Twitch_(website)&diff=620172315&oldid=620172079 |
| 11:24.20 | Kalroth | ha ha rofl lmao |
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| 11:38.22 | sb | sorry - i dont get the problem - you cant play copyrighted material in recorded shows without being muted, thats it, right? |
| 11:47.47 | Kalroth | there's (apparently) several issues |
| 11:48.15 | Kalroth | first the implementation; once the system encounters copyrighted music, it'll mute the VOD for 30 minutes |
| 11:48.49 | Kalroth | and it seems to often trigger incorrectly |
| 11:49.07 | Kalroth | like one Dota 2 VOD was muted because of audience noise |
| 11:53.21 | Kalroth | but i think it's primary a culture thing; people failing to understand that their music isn't theirs |
| 11:53.59 | Kalroth | primarily* |
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| 11:57.28 | Fisker | Yeah Kalroth |
| 11:57.53 | Fisker | A lot of big labels believe it is their music and not the artist |
| 11:58.48 | Kalroth | :D |
| 11:59.08 | Kalroth | Yes, a lot of artists believe their music is theirs too |
| 12:13.55 | Proditor | Anyone got any idea why CurseForge don't give out any beta keys to authors this time around? |
| 12:14.29 | karl_w_w | Kalroth, it flags in-game music |
| 12:14.52 | karl_w_w | which is why it flagged dota |
| 12:15.22 | karl_w_w | but on the plus side, you can just watch the vods with livestreamer if you care that much |
| 12:18.59 | karl_w_w | and also the way they've done it is you can get flagged and muted no questions asked, but to contest it you have to do some DMCA thing which basically says you are threatening to take them to court to prove your right to not be muted |
| 12:19.00 | Kalroth | i already do, flash decoder is terrible |
| 12:19.18 | karl_w_w | which smacks of youtube's content ID shenanigans |
| 12:19.33 | Kalroth | yup, i assume it's what triggered all this; preparing for google |
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| 12:28.45 | Kalroth | karl_w_w: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2cwfu2/i_am_twitch_ceo_emmett_shear_ask_me_almost/cjjp6j3 |
| 12:28.46 | Kalroth | "That was a false positive (misidentification of crowd noise as music), which we've now fixed." |
| 12:29.32 | Kalroth | i haven't heard of it triggering on any in-game music, but it wouldn't surprise me |
| 12:41.12 | karl_w_w | "Weâve partnered with Audible Magic, which works closely with the recorded music industry, to scan past and future VODs for music owned or controlled by clients of Audible Magic. This includes in-game and ambient music." |
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| 12:42.42 | Kalroth | oh wow, i missed that part - so they're actively scanning for in-game music to block VODs by |
| 12:42.44 | Kalroth | that's insane |
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| 12:57.52 | nevcairiel | well if the ingame music is copyrighted, you cant really spread it around, but many games produce their own music, and they would hopefully not sign up for such a thing :p |
| 12:58.43 | Simca_ | karl_w_w: In-game music: We have zero intention of flagging original in-game music. We do intend to flag copyrighted in-game music that's in Audible Magic's database. |
| 12:59.01 | Simca_ | it sounds like they're going to be blocking the type of stuff like what would play in a GTA game over the radio |
| 12:59.09 | Simca_ | not original game background music |
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| 13:01.17 | Fisker | I always fire my twitch stream up to listen to music with do driving, killing and people speaking in the background |
| 13:01.29 | Fisker | s/do// |
| 13:02.40 | Simca_ | s/not original game background music/I wish I had a hundred kittens/ |
| 13:03.46 | Simca_ | man i didn't go to bed last night and now I can't sleep because it is daytime even though I am tired |
| 13:04.26 | karl_w_w | really? I genuinely sleep better in the daytime |
| 13:04.58 | karl_w_w | I can be really tired on the verge of falling asleep all day, and as soon as 10pm hits I'm wide awake |
| 13:08.12 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: and the in-game textures, models etc. aren't copyrighted like the in-game music is? :) |
| 13:09.27 | nevcairiel | sure they are, and if they really wanted to they could probably make a case for that |
| 13:10.19 | sb | uhm wait - videos/streams are a copyright violation? |
| 13:10.21 | nevcairiel | but if you stick with the GTA music example, it might be tricky to try to license the music in such a way that would allow spreading it all over the place by everyone, and the game maker isnt the producer so they dont have full rights to it |
| 13:11.02 | Simca_ | sb: um, yeah. they have always been |
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| 13:11.06 | Simca_ | since their invention |
| 13:11.13 | Kalroth | http://www.videograndpa.com/?p=1499 "Because, strictly speaking, streaming games is illegal." |
| 13:11.24 | sb | oh :| |
| 13:11.33 | Kalroth | ".. when were talking about streaming a game, were talking about publicly performing a copyrighted work. Thats illegal. Cut and dry, straight up illegal." |
| 13:11.35 | nevcairiel | of course preventing streaming would be terrible press at no gain |
| 13:11.50 | nevcairiel | so noone is going to make that case |
| 13:12.30 | Kalroth | which is why i wondered why they would block in-game music, but that is apparently just poor wording, because they really mean game music |
| 13:12.34 | Kalroth | not in-game music |
| 13:15.25 | karl_w_w | what's the gain of blocking music? |
| 13:15.46 | karl_w_w | do they think somebody is not going to buy a song because they heard it on a stream? |
| 13:15.53 | karl_w_w | more likely they are going to buy it |
| 13:16.01 | Kalroth | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/08/thousands-of-twitch-videos-silenced-as-streaming-site-mutes-copyrighted-audio/ |
| 13:16.02 | Kalroth | "Getting its copyright house in order is a logical next stepwhile the RIAA would likely see little gain from suing Twitch, suing a Google-owned Twitch could be a whole lot more lucrative." |
| 13:16.07 | karl_w_w | darude would probably testify to that |
| 13:16.16 | karl_w_w | seeing as twitch has got him 2 gigs already |
| 13:16.56 | nevcairiel | karl_w_w: its not that, its like Kalroth just quoted, if they dont they are open to litigation, and the RIAA doesnt sue you because they want to sell more copies, they sue you because they want money compensation from you :p |
| 13:17.02 | Kalroth | that could be said for music in general, karl_w_w :) |
| 13:18.29 | Kalroth | i wonder that audio filter will support country specific filters |
| 13:18.41 | Kalroth | letting GEMA filter twitch VODs would be hilarious |
| 13:19.53 | Fisker | They wouldn't need a filter |
| 13:19.58 | Kalroth | first they'd filter you for speaking german, then they'd filter you again for playing 4'33" |
| 13:30.35 | Simca_ | Fisker is right, no filter |
| 13:30.43 | Simca_ | "that looks copyrighted, block all the things" |
| 13:44.17 | karl_w_w | ah look space pirates and zombies 2 coming out this year. maybe one day I'll get around to playing the first |
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| 14:18.31 | karl_w_w | aw yeah, it took me an hour, but google fu came through https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDr6h8-0Qlo |
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| 14:30.31 | Arrowmaster | why were you looking for that? |
| 14:32.34 | karl_w_w | just to listen to it |
| 14:32.51 | karl_w_w | without somebody talking over it |
| 14:33.28 | Sharparam | what is this from :o |
| 14:33.53 | karl_w_w | an anime you should watch |
| 14:34.00 | karl_w_w | without reading the comments on the video |
| 14:34.07 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 14:34.39 | Sharparam | i already have too much to watch in backlog |
| 14:34.40 | karl_w_w | in fact there isn't even time to read comments, you should be watching it already |
| 14:34.46 | karl_w_w | me too |
| 14:34.50 | karl_w_w | I know that feeling |
| 14:35.02 | karl_w_w | still, put this on top of the pile |
| 14:35.17 | Arrowmaster | i have it on bluray now |
| 14:35.32 | Sharparam | wait, is it series or a movie |
| 14:35.36 | Arrowmaster | both |
| 14:35.54 | Arrowmaster | i have the movie on dvd but never watched it |
| 14:35.55 | karl_w_w | it's an average series followed by an A+ series and then an average movie remake |
| 14:36.20 | Arrowmaster | i have like 3 series from Key on bluray or dvd now i think |
| 14:36.40 | karl_w_w | I have seen screenshots of the DVD quality of the series, the colour looked really washed out in comparison |
| 14:36.52 | Arrowmaster | clannad, kanon, and angel beats |
| 14:37.06 | karl_w_w | havent seen kanon |
| 14:37.09 | Sharparam | clannad and clannad after story being the series? |
| 14:37.13 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 14:37.21 | Arrowmaster | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIFV8UUs1-c has been my ringtone on my phone for a very long time, before i used to swap ringtones every few months |
| 14:37.31 | karl_w_w | meaning to watch higurashi |
| 14:37.39 | karl_w_w | as well as many other things |
| 14:37.42 | Arrowmaster | oh fuck you must watch higurashi |
| 14:37.55 | Arrowmaster | both seasons |
| 14:37.58 | karl_w_w | I watched oreimo and it was pretty damn funny |
| 14:38.07 | karl_w_w | some people hate it which I also find funny |
| 14:38.23 | karl_w_w | because some people take everything way too seriously |
| 14:38.29 | Arrowmaster | i liked it a lot but its not up there like Key stuff and higurashi |
| 14:38.37 | karl_w_w | no |
| 14:38.52 | Arrowmaster | fucking watch higurashi |
| 14:39.06 | karl_w_w | finishing season 2 of arrow atm |
| 14:39.11 | Arrowmaster | bah |
| 14:39.17 | karl_w_w | humbug? |
| 14:39.21 | Arrowmaster | its ok |
| 14:39.37 | karl_w_w | I think season 2 is better than 1 |
| 14:39.45 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 14:39.49 | karl_w_w | but both are in the range of decent |
| 14:39.56 | Arrowmaster | great time killers |
| 14:40.24 | karl_w_w | i have a list of things to watch :( |
| 14:41.14 | karl_w_w | log horizon, gin tama, code geass, mirai nikki, cowboy bebop |
| 14:41.19 | Arrowmaster | ....... |
| 14:41.27 | Arrowmaster | YOU HAVENT SEEN COWBOY BEBOP!?!?!?!?!?! |
| 14:41.59 | karl_w_w | 25 movies total |
| 14:42.06 | g0urra | I haven't seen Cowboy Bebop either. |
| 14:42.52 | Arrowmaster | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL18kdFYITg |
| 14:42.56 | karl_w_w | I'm not even at the stage of working out what cowboy bebop is |
| 14:43.05 | Sharparam | the only animes i've really seen are the ghibli movies |
| 14:43.17 | karl_w_w | (there's always the research phase with anime where you have to find out how much there is to actually watch) |
| 14:43.55 | karl_w_w | oh and i cant watch death note until i forget the spoiler i've had |
| 14:44.00 | Arrowmaster | karl_w_w: series followed by a movie, you should watch the movie before the final two episodes i think |
| 14:44.19 | Sharparam | karl_w_w: you just lost the game |
| 14:44.26 | Arrowmaster | death note is only good up until the time jump |
| 14:51.39 | foxlit | they cannot merge faction AHs fast enough. Thereâs like 80 saronite ore on Horde, total, in 80 1-ore lots. |
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| 14:54.46 | nevcairiel | i really hate it when people do that, its just plain annoying |
| 14:55.08 | nevcairiel | and addons cant make buying that easier really |
| 14:55.23 | foxlit | AH ui somewhat fails in that regard; should fix it while implementing buy orders. |
| 14:56.04 | nevcairiel | I wish addons could just buy for you, like I can say it i want 80 saronite, it tells me the total price and buys the individual lots, but I can see how it might not be wanted =p |
| 14:57.19 | karl_w_w | blizzard could make it so that 1 hardware input allows you to buy a number of items up to the size of a stack |
| 14:57.43 | nevcairiel | stacks get vastly bigger with WoD tho |
| 14:57.53 | nevcairiel | also, sounds complicated to comprehend |
| 14:58.19 | foxlit | per-lot listing fees that go up with something like item level would fix it. |
| 14:58.23 | karl_w_w | the only people who would have to comprehend it are addon coders, and we're used to complicated |
| 14:58.37 | foxlit | Want to put saronite ore on AH? 20s. Doesnât matter if itâs a stack of 1 or 200. |
| 14:59.26 | foxlit | or maybe just increase the cost with each auction you already have running |
| 14:59.36 | karl_w_w | that's a better idea |
| 15:01.00 | Neffi | foxlit: " merge faction AHs" <- what's this? |
| 15:01.04 | Arrowmaster | i tried to explain how to tell if a move in go was legal once, i got a comment that they could tell i was a programmer |
| 15:02.14 | Neffi | Arrowmaster: lol |
| 15:02.23 | nevcairiel | Neffi: they are merging faction AHs |
| 15:02.45 | Neffi | What do you mean by faction AHs? Merging horde+alliance AHs? |
| 15:03.15 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 15:03.21 | foxlit | I want to hear alternative interpretattions of that phrase. |
| 15:03.31 | Neffi | oh wow |
| 15:03.36 | nevcairiel | not sure what happens to the old cross-faction one |
| 15:03.45 | nevcairiel | maybe it just interfaces with the normal one then |
| 15:04.02 | Neffi | foxlit: I figured maybe they were splitting neutral into the faction ones. Because I really didnt see them merging A+H together |
| 15:04.49 | foxlit | Generally, merging and splitting are opposites. |
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| 15:05.10 | Neffi | ok foxlit. thanks for the clarification. |
| 15:05.16 | Neffi | i'll ping you next time I need a lesson |
| 15:05.20 | foxlit | Anytime! |
| 15:07.41 | Fisker | I'll ping foxlit anytime |
| 15:07.51 | foxlit | no, you ping foxlit all the time. |
| 15:09.26 | Stanzilla | I ping foxlit occasionally |
| 15:09.49 | Fisker | oh man |
| 15:09.54 | Fisker | cries |
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| 15:30.08 | Unkle | station |
| 15:35.22 | Arrowmaster | wagon |
| 15:36.42 | Unkle | So, this connection to Freenode is stable on my laptop, but my desktop gets disconnected every few minutes even with different irc clients. So thatâs strange. |
| 15:36.45 | karl_w_w | https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/497744809176875008/photo/1 world's best sport combines with the world's most paddlin'est sport |
| 15:41.17 | Neffi | Unkle: Your desktop could be connecting to a different server |
| 15:43.17 | Neffi | ~framexml |
| 15:43.17 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Extract it yourself by following intructions on http://wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard's_interface_code ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml |
| 15:44.37 | Unkle | Neffi: Could be, but the behvior has been consistent for weeks and itâs making me crazy. Iâve even replaced the NIC on that box once so Iâm begining to think thereâs something else wrong on it. (Itâs about due for replacement anyway, as itâs out of warranty). |
| 15:45.18 | foxlit | Why donât you write a tiny IRC client and see if that stays connected? |
| 15:45.40 | foxlit | itâd at least give you more information about how you lose the connection. |
| 15:46.23 | Unkle | foxlit: I installed Quassel and left it to run, and it was getting disconnected about every 35-60 seconds. And Pidgin was too. |
| 15:47.06 | Unkle | (the box in question is my work desktop) |
| 15:48.06 | foxlit | is your work desktop subject to different security policies than your laptop? |
| 15:48.51 | foxlit | and for another data point, enable/disable SSL. |
| 15:49.33 | Unkle | Same firewall and such, but yes, I should check the SSL setings on my IRC clients. |
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| 16:30.41 | znf | Anyone here uses Piwik? |
| 16:35.17 | Sharparam | hm |
| 16:35.36 | Sharparam | is there a builtin sort function in lua that *doesn't* sort the table in-place, i.e. gives back a sorted copy rather than modifying the table |
| 16:35.48 | foxlit | no. |
| 16:35.51 | Sharparam | damnit |
| 16:39.36 | Sharparam | http://rfl.im/MH |
| 16:39.46 | Sharparam | basically i'd want that to be sorted |
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| 16:50.42 | g0urra | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPJbbdrRbxU |
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| 17:12.39 | zenzelezz | https://twitter.com/Brilliant_Ads/status/497771631423815680/photo/1 |
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| 17:48.34 | TC-Work | Faraday's seems a little meh. |
| 17:49.03 | zenzelezz | not all scientists are good graphic designers |
| 17:50.24 | VIad1 | Sharparam: what's the problem? |
| 17:52.46 | TC-Work | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 17:52.46 | purl | gives zenzelezz a good seeing to |
| 17:53.02 | VIad1 | ~whalenuke TC-Work |
| 17:53.02 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around TC-Work with his mind powers. |
| 17:53.09 | TC-Work | ~whaleshield |
| 17:53.10 | purl | ACTION summons a rather dense leaden whale named Billy Bob to shield tc-work from the blast. |
| 17:53.35 | VIad | ~whaleshieldproofwhalenuke |
| 17:54.14 | zenzelezz | TC-Work: what, it wasn't even a pun |
| 17:54.27 | TC-Work | It was still silly. |
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| 18:08.44 | VIad | http://imgur.com/gallery/SvF4Mik sfw/troll |
| 18:09.40 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 18:11.07 | VIad | classy |
| 18:12.25 | karl_w_w | you mean the comments? |
| 18:15.17 | VIad | probably both :p |
| 18:15.29 | VIad | just found out about http://fi.twitch.tv/fishplayspokemon |
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| 18:18.02 | karl_w_w | welcome to yesterday |
| 18:18.18 | Neffi | Semlar: http://youtu.be/y6oXW_YiV6g |
| 18:18.19 | zenzelezz | not all of us follow the pokemon news |
| 18:18.27 | Semlar | no neffi |
| 18:19.52 | Neffi | don't let nothin' hold you back. if the scatman can do it, bother, so can you |
| 18:20.41 | karl_w_w | if the scatman can do it brother so can you |
| 18:21.14 | karl_w_w | is he a recovered stutterer or something? |
| 18:21.17 | Neffi | forgive my typo |
| 18:21.35 | zenzelezz | "scatman John" sounded so much less icky before the Internet |
| 18:21.36 | Neffi | karl_w_w: He's a *very* bad stutterer. He can only really sing by "scatting" |
| 18:21.45 | karl_w_w | stutter is one of those stupid works |
| 18:21.52 | Neffi | He overcame his stuttering by inventing the method of singing |
| 18:22.00 | karl_w_w | like dyslexia which is hard to say |
| 18:22.10 | karl_w_w | s/say/spell/ |
| 18:22.21 | Neffi | as a dyslexic I find it rather easy to say :P |
| 18:22.23 | karl_w_w | stutter is hard to say for a stutterer |
| 18:23.00 | VIad | never heard anyone say "scatman" since 1982 when that song came out |
| 18:23.13 | g0urra | Fisker: are you also getting this? http://store.steampowered.com/app/313160/ |
| 18:23.37 | zenzelezz | VIad: 82? |
| 18:23.37 | Fisker | Never |
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| 18:23.54 | g0urra | but the trailer is so cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-9UYGzzeYQ |
| 18:24.10 | karl_w_w | lisp |
| 18:24.16 | karl_w_w | another good example |
| 18:24.23 | Neffi | whoever came up with that word is an asshole |
| 18:26.13 | Semlar | man there are a lot of blank entries in the map overlay dbc |
| 18:27.45 | VIad | g0urra: looks like a lie :P |
| 18:27.54 | VIad | i.e. pre-rendered graphics |
| 18:28.32 | Neffi | is Timer:GetElapsed() reliable? |
| 18:29.05 | Neffi | err, Animation:GetElapsed() |
| 18:29.50 | Neffi | I'm using animations for my timers now, and I pass the elapsed duration to the callback. My cooldown addon uses that for counting the time left, and it seems to be off by some amount proportional to the total duration of the CD, which only started happening when I switched to using animations for timers |
| 18:30.31 | Semlar | you're probably mathing wrong |
| 18:31.00 | Semlar | why would you use animations for timers anyway |
| 18:31.07 | Neffi | Yeah. I looked back at the code and it seems correct. The problem appears to be that :GetElapsed() is perhaps returning the wrong amount. But you could be right. Maybe I missed something |
| 18:31.39 | Semlar | also cooldowns can change so i would never use timers for it |
| 18:31.49 | Neffi | Because previously I was using an OnUpdate loop to count the time remaining on each callback every 0.n seconds, then dispatching it when it finished. Having C-side handle that by using animation objects is faster |
| 18:32.10 | Neffi | My code watches for changes that happen to cooldowns as they're active and accounts for it correctly |
| 18:33.28 | Semlar | but.. you have to use an onupdate handler to display the timer right |
| 18:33.53 | Neffi | Not necessarily. I think it's using a timer of like .2 seconds |
| 18:34.24 | karl_w_w | http://www.cracked.com/article_15664_9-words-that-dont-mean-what-you-think.html really? people don't know what nonplussed means? or BEMUSED? how does this happen? who is educating these people, forrest gump? |
| 18:34.36 | Neffi | The timer API is exposed from my framework. The cooldown's routines for displaying the time are separate |
| 18:38.02 | TC-Work | karl_w_w: I had to define compunction for someone yesterday. |
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| 18:40.10 | nebula169 | "irregardless" has been a pet peeve of mine, so many people in my guild use to use it |
| 18:40.50 | Semlar | i feel like a lot of people don't understand that language evolves and words mean whatever people use them as |
| 18:41.09 | Neffi | nebula169: you seem nonplussed |
| 18:41.12 | karl_w_w | they might mean that to themselves |
| 18:41.14 | Dagmar | I feel like a lot of people should be unceremoniously killed as soon as possible. |
| 18:41.16 | Semlar | irregardless is a word because people use it and understand what it means |
| 18:41.29 | karl_w_w | but we have language so we can communicate through a shared medium |
| 18:41.58 | karl_w_w | not just spurt out whatever bollocks people think sounds right and leave it up to the other person to decode it |
| 18:42.01 | Dagmar | To use a phrase according to common parlance is one thing, but to just misuse the language because you're a lazy ass means "INTO THE WOOD CHIPPER WITH THEM" |
| 18:42.39 | VIad | I dislike the luck factor in the naxx expansion in hearthstone |
| 18:42.50 | VIad | I'd prefer something more skill based than pure random luck :( |
| 18:42.52 | karl_w_w | what luck factor |
| 18:43.28 | VIad | you can defeat any heroic with standard cards with a shit ton luck - it's tiresome :p |
| 18:43.29 | karl_w_w | if you're relying on more than exactly 4.6ml of luck, you're using the wrong deck |
| 18:43.30 | Cairenn | http://www.playbuzz.com/jonb10/do-you-actually-know-english |
| 18:43.56 | Neffi | Hmm. Is there any simple API call for figuring out if a given spell (by ID, link or name) is a pet spell? |
| 18:44.05 | karl_w_w | my current language-based pet peeve is "whole entire" |
| 18:44.16 | Semlar | hunter pet or battle pet |
| 18:44.33 | karl_w_w | "Look at this whole entire sentence, and tell me what part is completely redundant." |
| 18:44.46 | karl_w_w | bonus points: 2 parts are |
| 18:45.47 | Semlar | neffi http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsSpellKnown |
| 18:45.57 | Neffi | Cairenn: does anyone actually fail that? O.o |
| 18:46.08 | Neffi | Semlar: hunter/mage pet |
| 18:46.13 | Cairenn | shrugs |
| 18:46.34 | Semlar | read a book |
| 18:46.36 | Neffi | Semlar: thanks. ilu |
| 18:46.39 | VIad | Cairenn: got 15/16 |
| 18:46.44 | VIad | wrong on the ; part |
| 18:46.56 | Semlar | nobody knows what a semicolon is for |
| 18:47.01 | Neffi | I knew there was no reason for the core to differentiate pet/player spells, just so the ui can desaturate pet spell icons |
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| 18:47.18 | VIad | theyre used for; splitting up sentances; like that |
| 18:47.26 | Neffi | no they're not |
| 18:47.28 | Semlar | not quite |
| 18:47.34 | VIad | lol |
| 18:47.49 | Neffi | They're used for separating clauses, wherein the next clause is related to the first, but does not make an independent sentence |
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| 18:48.08 | Neffi | Also a valid use is separating items in a list, when said items may contain a comma, like titles |
| 18:48.11 | zenzelezz | 15/16, I'm quite content. Got the semi-colon wrong |
| 18:48.13 | VIad | I doubt you really believed what I just said - I wrote two typos on purpose :P |
| 18:48.20 | zenzelezz | sure you did |
| 18:48.33 | VIad | I're smrt |
| 18:48.54 | zenzelezz | should have left out the apostrophe too |
| 18:49.04 | zenzelezz | it's too sophisticated |
| 18:49.26 | VIad | but it's better when you use it in the wrong place! |
| 18:49.35 | karl_w_w | I got seperate wrong because I always do |
| 18:49.43 | karl_w_w | everyone knows what a semicolon is for |
| 18:49.57 | Neffi | I've yet to see somebody correctly explain what a semicolon is for |
| 18:50.13 | Neffi | It's my go-to question when somebody tries to be a grammar Nazi, to put them in their place |
| 18:50.34 | karl_w_w | well that's not really fair |
| 18:50.41 | Neffi | no, not really |
| 18:50.54 | karl_w_w | I'm sure some people know how to use one without knowing how to explain how it's used |
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| 18:51.15 | Semlar | i don't know, if you can't explain something you probably don't know it |
| 18:51.32 | Neffi | So then they must admit ignorance is OK, therefore making them a hypocrite by being a grammar Nazi |
| 18:51.45 | VIad | I don't think the teacher even taught us what ; is for :P |
| 18:51.55 | VIad | btw a good question would be tought thought thaught taught |
| 18:51.55 | Semlar | probably didn't want you using it |
| 18:52.02 | zenzelezz | I find some things tricky to explain in English even if I know how to use it, or to explain it in my own language |
| 18:52.04 | Neffi | I didn't know for the longest time because the only teacher that ever explained it to me, did so incorrectly |
| 18:52.14 | karl_w_w | I don't think I was taught what a semicolon is for either |
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| 18:52.26 | karl_w_w | doesn't mean I can't use one |
| 18:52.43 | VIad | If you live in an English speaking country, then you should be taught what ; is for :P |
| 18:53.01 | karl_w_w | making winky faces is correct |
| 18:53.03 | nebula169 | pretty sure my teacher taught "don't use them, you're probably doing it wrong" lol |
| 18:53.06 | zenzelezz | the semi-colon is not exclusive to English you know |
| 18:53.22 | VIad | I've only seen it IN English :P |
| 18:53.33 | zenzelezz | I use it in Norwegian, and my teachers never complained |
| 18:53.34 | Semlar | they're also used in programming languages! |
| 18:53.35 | VIad | Never ever seen it used in Norwegian before. |
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| 18:53.53 | nebula169 | not a hard concept two, two related simple sentences separated with a semicolon in a single sentence |
| 18:53.58 | nebula169 | s/two/tho/ |
| 18:54.15 | VIad | tho > though? |
| 18:54.18 | TC-Work | says the person using 'tho' |
| 18:54.21 | nebula169 | NOP |
| 18:54.41 | nebula169 | grammar isn't spelling! |
| 18:54.48 | karl_w_w | he had to type it fast, he was just reaching the drive thru |
| 18:54.48 | nebula169 | i'm terrible at spelling :( |
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| 18:56.08 | TC-Work | That's not bad spelling, that wasn't even trying. |
| 18:56.08 | TC-Work | ~lart karl_w_w |
| 18:56.08 | purl | stabs karl_w_w |
| 18:56.33 | smcn | when you submit a bug in-game it also sends your character's current position right? |
| 18:56.42 | VIad | I sure hope it does, smcn |
| 18:57.04 | VIad | stupid if bug reports didn't include basic debugging information, like when the game crashes. |
| 18:57.08 | karl_w_w | I stopped going to a store when they put up a sign that said drive thru |
| 18:57.23 | VIad | drive tue |
| 18:57.26 | VIad | drive true |
| 18:57.28 | kd3 | bah. had to blow away my old quassel database |
| 18:57.31 | karl_w_w | It was just coincidence that I moved house around the same time |
| 18:57.55 | kd3 | at least it's down to <1MB now from nearly 300MB |
| 18:59.14 | Semlar | you think they're going to fit "THROUGH" on a sign? |
| 18:59.16 | smcn | VIad: b/c i just submitted a bug that said "camera clipping through the ground right here" |
| 18:59.33 | TC-Work | I do that every time I reimage my machine....at least a work. |
| 18:59.43 | TC-Work | s/ a / at / |
| 19:01.05 | VIad | smcn: they had a lot of debug data accompany vanilla bug reports |
| 19:01.08 | karl_w_w | http://wordpic.com/wp/gallery/uploads/2009/09/808f59def1hruuuu.jpg.jpg yes Semlar |
| 19:01.13 | VIad | I remember even them listing your xyz in the interface :D |
| 19:01.31 | VIad | grammar vandalism |
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| 19:01.47 | smcn | you know what i miss is the old bug-reporting interface they had, did they ditch that in mop? i vaguely remember it being in the cataclysm beta |
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| 19:02.20 | zenzelezz | people probably kept bothering them with problems in the game client |
| 19:02.50 | kd3|hate`net | the auto-feedback that popped up when quests completed is what I miss the most |
| 19:02.58 | kd3|hate`net | grr water in the phone line |
| 19:03.41 | karl_w_w | I'm reminded of http://xkcd.com/1015/ |
| 19:04.04 | karl_w_w | and there's a bus lane on my way to work that has BUS LA NE painted on it |
| 19:04.13 | smcn | i also wonder if the in-game suggestion tool actually does anything or just forward whatever you type to /dev/null |
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| 19:25.05 | smcn | garrison resource cap was just hotfixed to 10,000 i guess? |
| 19:29.39 | Ressy | just saw that myself when I opened a garrison cache and 'won' 1000 resources |
| 19:29.49 | Dagmar | Cool |
| 19:30.08 | Dagmar | ...although I'm not sure it's going to matter terribly much if level 3 is as far as we can go still. |
| 19:30.35 | Dagmar | I swapped three buildings around just to see if the Tannery would manifest it's delivery box properly. Still didn't run out of resources. |
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| 19:56.34 | kd3 | gah, the freaking lunarfall ravens are still not shared tap? grr |
| 19:56.45 | fewyn | i hope they change that for launch |
| 19:56.50 | fewyn | otherwise it's going to be a nightmare |
| 19:57.13 | kd3 | I've complained each time I've leveled a toon through there... |
| 19:57.29 | kd3 | that and the freaking tree marking flags |
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| 20:21.05 | Gnarfoz | kd3: file under "quests to avoid"? :D |
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| 20:38.22 | Semlar | does tanaan jungle not have overlays? |
| 20:38.28 | Semlar | for its map |
| 20:38.45 | Alram | it doesnt have any subzones if you mean that |
| 20:38.48 | kd3|hate`net | overlays as in the fog of war kinda thing? |
| 20:38.53 | Semlar | yeah |
| 20:38.55 | kd3 | no, it doesn't have that |
| 20:39.00 | Semlar | so it's just a blank map right now |
| 20:39.13 | kd3 | there's an overlay with the worldbreaker visible, but that's about it. they're not using it, still |
| 20:39.32 | Semlar | i don't see any entries for it in the dbc file |
| 20:39.38 | kd3 | compare http://wowpedia.org/File:WorldMap-TanaanJungleIntro.jpg and http://wowpedia.org/File:WorldMap-TanaanJungleIntro_terrain1.jpg |
| 20:40.09 | Semlar | but that's like a subzone map right |
| 20:40.17 | Semlar | not for the whole zone |
| 20:40.26 | kd3 | yah |
| 20:41.29 | Semlar | just wanted to get my foglight addon working so i could actually see where things are |
| 20:42.56 | Alram | the rest of the zone has no define subzones yet |
| 20:43.03 | Alram | let alone proper maps |
| 20:43.18 | Alram | it'll probably be a few months until it does :( |
| 20:50.25 | Gethe | the rest of Tannan won't be open until after launch, so we likely wont have a proper map for it until then. |
| 21:01.31 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/RiPMZ6l.jpg glorious |
| 21:02.38 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/7KfxDHN.jpg |
| 21:03.01 | Semlar | i can see where things are now woo |
| 21:03.25 | Gethe | the dropdown is covering the button though |
| 21:04.11 | Semlar | not important |
| 21:04.17 | Gethe | :/ |
| 21:04.22 | Neffi | bootiful |
| 21:04.26 | Semlar | maybe they shouldn't have put their button under mine |
| 21:07.28 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/9Gf0bVz.jpg |
| 21:07.45 | smcn | aw yisss |
| 21:09.03 | Semlar | i'll move it to the bottom left, i'm not sure if the interface shows anything there |
| 21:10.40 | Gethe | i reanchored it to the tracking button |
| 21:12.02 | Semlar | i could just move it over to the left so it's not covering the button, too |
| 21:12.20 | Semlar | it's not even attached to the scrollframe right now |
| 21:12.32 | Gethe | that button is hidden when in big map mode |
| 21:15.14 | Semlar | i see |
| 21:21.05 | nebula169 | can also use UIElementsFrame |
| 21:22.12 | nebula169 | Semlar: you use dbc info for the overlay stuff yea? https://www.dropbox.com/s/6e662z17tr1dx3a/WoWScrnShot_072914_154603.jpg i can't get that little bit to discover and it's annoying :( |
| 21:24.17 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/XedibO0.jpg |
| 21:25.27 | nebula169 | shooooould give me the name, width, height, and offets for it /nod |
| 21:26.04 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/QK99RRjj |
| 21:27.01 | Semlar | its area id is 946 so it's one of those entries |
| 21:27.08 | nebula169 | thank you, sir |
| 21:27.10 | nebula169 | yea, i see it |
| 21:27.48 | Semlar | if you want the addon i could just upload it |
| 21:28.22 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.13 | jleclanche | Anyone willing to donate some bandwidth and disk space to the archive team for the twitch archival project? |
| 21:36.37 | Neffi | twitch archival project? archiving the stream content? |
| 21:36.48 | jleclanche | archiving vods being deleted |
| 21:36.54 | Semlar | archives neffi |
| 21:37.02 | jleclanche | just requires running docker and 10 mins of setup. |
| 21:37.05 | Neffi | I suddenly feel very permanent |
| 21:37.06 | jleclanche | not even |
| 21:37.45 | Neffi | I would, but my up bandwidth is kinda low and my new drive is on the small side |
| 21:43.19 | zenzelezz | jleclanche: for public access or private? |
| 21:44.02 | jleclanche | public, this will go on archive.org. |
| 21:44.25 | zenzelezz | I see, so not temporary? |
| 21:44.34 | jleclanche | definitely not |
| 21:44.48 | Ackis | https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1513748635523177&id=1419712111593497 :'( (graphic image) |
| 21:45.08 | zenzelezz | rules me out then :-/ |
| 21:45.14 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: why not? |
| 21:45.31 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: it's temporary storage if thats what you meant to ask |
| 21:45.45 | jleclanche | but it will be permanently archived on the archive.org servers |
| 21:45.54 | jleclanche | you're donating scraping time and bandwidth |
| 21:47.01 | zenzelezz | yeah, I meant if it's temporary or permanent on my system |
| 21:47.09 | Seerah | Ackis: says she died this morning |
| 21:47.33 | Ackis | Seerah: I know :( |
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| 22:48.55 | TC-Work | In css how do you null out a set field? eg. if somewhere down the line you want to stop inheriting the custom ul/li stuff on a specific element, how would I reset it back to default? |
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| 22:50.51 | jleclanche | TC-Work: you cant |
| 22:51.21 | TC-Work | Well then. Thanks jleclanche. |
| 22:51.37 | jleclanche | TC-Work: but in your specific case you can check for a specific amount of ul parents and apply special rule in its case and any of its children |
| 22:51.44 | jleclanche | thats what id do |
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