| 00:00.59 | Neffi | sylvanaar: in Prat's scroll module, why can't I set the scroll speed of shift+scroll to, say, 7? it only lets me set it to increments of 3, like 6 or 9 |
| 00:01.29 | Stanzilla | that's a simple acegui setting you can change |
| 00:01.36 | Stanzilla | it's the "step" parameter |
| 00:09.44 | Semlar | step it up neffi |
| 00:11.27 | Neffi | <_< |
| 00:23.02 | Gethe | http://i.imgur.com/Nbdc68Y.jpg |
| 00:27.54 | Mr_Rabies | looks genuinely concerned that his hat is doing that |
| 00:39.08 | Neffi | pokes Semlar |
| 00:39.24 | Semlar | dies |
| 00:40.02 | Neffi | I'm sick Semlar, and I have this suspicion that it's your fault |
| 00:40.09 | Gethe | rez's Semlar |
| 00:40.17 | pompy | http://recode.net/2014/07/29/ceo-who-sold-diapers-com-to-amazon-raises-55-million-to-challenge-amazon-again/ |
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| 00:40.32 | Semlar | do you have the ebola |
| 00:40.39 | Neffi | i hope not |
| 00:40.56 | Semlar | have you recently been to africa or atlanta |
| 00:41.13 | Neffi | maayyyybe |
| 00:41.22 | Semlar | quarantines neffi |
| 00:41.46 | Neffi | If hypothetically I did visit either of those two places, which I didn't, the hypothetical details of said hypothetical trip would be classified |
| 00:44.19 | Semlar | hypothetically quarantines neffi |
| 00:53.19 | TC-Work | alestane: Great. |
| 00:56.22 | Neffi | what's a good Broker display? |
| 00:58.05 | Sharparam | i guess that depends what kinda display you want :P |
| 00:58.42 | Sharparam | there's bars and there's free-floating displays |
| 00:58.49 | Sharparam | and stuff in-between i guess |
| 01:07.01 | Stanzilla | Neffi: bar or single stuff |
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| 01:07.21 | Stanzilla | bar? bazooka single stuff? gtfo |
| 01:12.26 | Torhal | ships Semlar to Atlantis. |
| 01:12.39 | Semlar | under the sea |
| 01:18.32 | Seerah | undah the sea! |
| 01:19.13 | TC-Work | I don't want to be a part of your world. |
| 01:33.42 | Simca | Stanzilla: single stuff - Fortress |
| 01:33.56 | Simca | it's out of date technically but Broker functionality hasn't changed in years and years |
| 01:34.03 | Simca | works fine still |
| 01:36.10 | Semlar | tc it's better down where it's wetter |
| 01:44.17 | Torhal | Is this why you hang out on your floorboards, Semlar? |
| 01:44.28 | Semlar | :( |
| 01:44.30 | Torhal | >.> |
| 01:46.25 | Semlar | my car is like a sauna every time i open it |
| 01:46.49 | Stanzilla | don't do it o.o |
| 01:46.52 | Stanzilla | do quote a wise guy |
| 01:46.57 | Stanzilla | *to |
| 01:47.16 | Semlar | the moisture evaporates but doesn't have anywhere to go |
| 01:48.33 | TC-Work | For yum is there a reverse version of deplist? eg. something that says what installed packages depend on it? |
| 01:48.58 | kd3 | try to remove something and it'll tell you |
| 01:49.39 | TC-Work | That works. Thanks. |
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| 02:16.13 | kd3 | hahaha. http://np.reddit.com/r/offmychest/comments/2cm5xt/am_i_a_bad_person_for_this/ |
| 02:18.37 | Gnarfoz | how do you "have someone on cash" oO |
| 02:18.44 | kd3 | the cash register |
| 02:18.50 | Gnarfoz | "the" register? |
| 02:19.14 | Gnarfoz | our BK's (and McDs and whatever) have several, one for each person taking orders |
| 02:19.20 | kd3 | well, one of the hopefully several cash registers they have |
| 02:19.20 | Gnarfoz | am I missing something obvious |
| 02:19.29 | kd3 | but only one actively in use at the time of that post |
| 02:19.44 | Gnarfoz | well only one open register is going to be awesome, hehe |
| 02:19.50 | Gnarfoz | oh but he mentions food court at the end |
| 02:20.07 | kd3 | the bk only has one register open. the other food stalls may have plenty |
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| 02:21.07 | Gnarfoz | I just remember one of the food courts we went to in Vegas, where it was all laid out in a circle, so the queues for the different stalls were along the circumference |
| 02:21.22 | Gnarfoz | so 1 queue per stall anyway |
| 02:21.27 | kd3 | yah |
| 02:22.05 | Gnarfoz | omg 4:20 am |
| 02:22.10 | Gnarfoz | (blaze it... no. snooze it.) |
| 02:27.34 | kd3 | whee, another character wipe |
| 02:27.48 | Simca | inb4 mad |
| 02:27.53 | Simca | lots and lots of mad |
| 02:31.46 | pompy | http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/06/us/hawaii-storms/ |
| 02:36.11 | kd3 | oh wow, they're going to clean out the forums too. that's a change I can approve of |
| 02:36.21 | Stanzilla | indeed |
| 02:40.32 | Gethe | new build will have a toon wipe, will need another guild again... |
| 02:41.30 | kd3 | well, we know what causes wipes now. we created the last guild a day or two before wipe #2 happened |
| 02:41.50 | Gethe | seems so |
| 02:42.55 | Simca | this is the third one, yeah? |
| 02:45.22 | kd3 | ya |
| 02:50.55 | Sharparam | so what causes wipes? |
| 02:51.21 | kd3 | last time, nearly every character was bugged with garrisons. I haven't heard anything official this time, but I'd assume more of the same |
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| 02:52.19 | Gethe | they are focusing on early leveling |
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| 04:13.16 | Simca | they increased required exp by 30% across the board from 89 to 99 so they want feedback on the leveling now |
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| 04:36.53 | Semlar | :| |
| 04:37.47 | Neffi_ | dont be so :| my evil minion |
| 04:38.36 | Semlar | i am nobody's minion |
| 04:38.47 | Neffi_ | .o. |
| 04:40.00 | Thunder_Child | That's what you think. |
| 04:40.52 | Sharparam | well, that was an interesting bug... |
| 04:41.07 | Sharparam | there's a memory leak in Civ 5 if you run razer synapse, so it tried to allocate 20gb of ram |
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| 05:16.02 | Neffi_ | http://i.imgur.com/hCqDMk2.jpg |
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| 05:22.08 | Gethe | Neffi_: D: |
| 05:22.24 | p3lim | so, aside from C_Timer.NewTicker, any changes for nameplates in 6.0? |
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| 05:24.10 | Seerah | Kraps: lookit #2 :) http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/future-fuuuuuture-fuuuuuuture?bffb |
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| 05:38.13 | Kraps | Seerah: wow |
| 05:38.33 | Kraps | still staring trying to figure out how it works |
| 05:42.16 | Gethe | Kraps: magic |
| 05:46.41 | Thunder_Child | Counterbalance |
| 05:47.20 | Thunder_Child | #4 is perfect for white crackers such as myself. |
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| 05:50.12 | Semlar | i'm struggling to understand the purpose of transparent stall doors |
| 05:50.42 | Thunder_Child | So when you know it is empty but closed. |
| 05:50.44 | Semlar | and this wheelchair is clearly incapable of navigating more than one step |
| 05:51.44 | Thunder_Child | My issue is that if it works like current ones do, it requires an electrical current to go translucent. So in a power failure, your pants are litteraly down. |
| 05:53.43 | Semlar | well, airplane locks are capable of identifying whether they're occupado without actually turning the door into a window |
| 05:55.08 | Semlar | this also doesn't appear to be a bathroom in the first place, so they probably just made up the caption |
| 05:56.07 | Thunder_Child | Except A. It's not sexy and B. you can open it with a pen. |
| 05:58.08 | MiRai | When you use /script SaveView(#) to save a camera view... which file does this custom view get saved to? |
| 05:58.14 | MiRai | ...I cannot seem to find it |
| 05:59.12 | Semlar | config.wtf in the wtf folder maybe |
| 05:59.18 | Semlar | not sure |
| 05:59.29 | Semlar | is it character specific? |
| 05:59.37 | MiRai | I see camera stuff in config-cache.wtf, but I... |
| 05:59.38 | MiRai | wait |
| 06:00.47 | MiRai | okay... so when you save the number view (2, 3, 4, 5) it gets saved as (B, C, D, E) |
| 06:00.52 | MiRai | got it |
| 06:00.54 | MiRai | disaster averted |
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| 06:01.56 | MiRai | Semlar: To answer your question though... it seems to be account-wide for only that WoW sub-account (not character-specific) |
| 06:02.43 | Semlar | i don't think i've ever saved any camera views |
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| 06:18.50 | p3lim | you can save camera views? |
| 06:19.17 | MiRai | Indeed |
| 06:19.34 | MiRai | http://wowpedia.org/API_SaveView |
| 06:19.48 | Semlar | you can save them so you can cycle through them with a hotkey |
| 06:20.11 | Semlar | like how page up zooms into first person view |
| 06:20.19 | Semlar | or whatever the hotkey is |
| 06:20.26 | MiRai | Home/End |
| 06:20.27 | p3lim | was not aware of that, neat |
| 06:20.34 | p3lim | not that I'll ever want to use it tho |
| 06:21.24 | Semlar | i have all of my camera views set to "why isn't this max distance" |
| 06:21.39 | MiRai | heh |
| 06:22.29 | Semlar | when i first logged onto the beta i couldn't believe the default camera max distance was set to its lowest possible value |
| 06:24.12 | Semlar | and even setting the slider all the way up doesn't actually set it to its max distance |
| 06:24.24 | Semlar | which as far as i can tell you have to set a cvar for |
| 06:24.44 | MiRai | Yeah |
| 06:25.03 | Semlar | like, what's up with this http://wowpedia.org/CVar_cameraDistanceMaxFactor |
| 06:25.32 | MiRai | I don't know why there are two different CVars to do a similar thing |
| 06:25.38 | MiRai | it's a little confusing |
| 06:26.06 | Semlar | http://wowpedia.org/CVar_cameraDistanceMax "default setting: 15" |
| 06:26.14 | Semlar | ._. |
| 06:26.17 | MiRai | heh |
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| 06:30.11 | Semlar | this might contribute to people's lack of situational awareness in the game |
| 06:30.28 | MiRai | I can agree with that |
| 06:31.12 | Semlar | you don't have to keep your camera at max distance, but having the cap set lower just doesn't really make any sense |
| 06:31.40 | MiRai | I've always found it odd that the slider doesn't account for the full available range |
| 06:34.45 | Semlar | welp, hitbox.tv definitely has twitch's chat down pat |
| 06:47.39 | karl_w_w | that's good, everyone might switch to hitbox |
| 06:47.56 | karl_w_w | and we don't wanna lose that twitch chat quality |
| 06:48.01 | Semlar | riot |
| 06:48.47 | karl_w_w | RIP in pepperonis twitch |
| 06:49.08 | karl_w_w | that was fucking glorious Neffi_ |
| 06:49.13 | Semlar | except mods can post images |
| 06:49.18 | Semlar | in the chat |
| 06:49.25 | Semlar | so it's even worse |
| 06:49.52 | Semlar | or better, depending on how you look at it |
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| 07:04.18 | karl_w_w | https://twitter.com/hitboxlive/status/497143563717971969 |
| 07:20.23 | ccox | holy cow, comcast actually did double my download bandwidth - now 120 Mb/s |
| 07:21.13 | nevcairiel | at double the price as well? |
| 07:21.23 | nevcairiel | oh wait, that should be 4x the price |
| 07:22.57 | Kodiack | I think Charter rolled out double speeds as a baseline too. I believe 60 Mbps is their slowest offering now. But whatever, I get 130 Mbps here now. :D |
| 07:23.02 | mikma | wtf is hitbox and why do we care |
| 07:23.15 | Semlar | google is ruining twitch |
| 07:23.17 | Kodiack | "Replacement" for Twitch since Twitch went (further) to hell |
| 07:23.24 | Alram | hold me Fisker- |
| 07:23.26 | Alram | source 2 is out |
| 07:23.42 | Fisker- | :o? |
| 07:23.43 | mikma | and what's the point with twitch? some sort of streaming service? |
| 07:24.07 | Semlar | it's for watching a bunch of people try and play pokemon at once |
| 07:24.15 | Kodiack | Could you reword that? Do you mean what's the point of them offering similar service to Twitch? Or what's the point of Twitch in general? |
| 07:24.20 | Alram | its pretty nice Fisker- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byePJbjTosI |
| 07:24.22 | ccox | nope, still the same price |
| 07:24.26 | mikma | kodiack: twitch in general |
| 07:24.32 | Semlar | live streaming |
| 07:24.40 | Kodiack | Ah. Twitch is mainly used for live streaming stuff like games. |
| 07:24.45 | mikma | i've seen the name but haven't had the "pleasure" of browsing the site |
| 07:25.06 | mikma | (because i don't really care for live streaming when i can still play the games myself ;) |
| 07:25.49 | Semlar | that's a bit like saying you don't watch sports because you can play them yourself |
| 07:25.50 | Fisker- | Nice Alram |
| 07:26.04 | Alram | that embedded doto already runs on it |
| 07:26.08 | mikma | semlar: i don't watch sports cause, i don't care about the outcome of anything they do :D |
| 07:26.42 | Semlar | it's just an analogy |
| 07:27.03 | mikma | as long as internet is full of porn i'm happy |
| 07:27.08 | mikma | err, cat pictures |
| 07:27.17 | Semlar | i think the same analogy applies |
| 07:27.25 | mikma | no you're an anal |
| 07:27.31 | Semlar | :| |
| 07:27.31 | mikma | okidoki then |
| 07:27.49 | mikma | enough jokes, but yeah. i don't follow sports / twitch :) |
| 07:29.06 | mikma | http://www.amk.cool/images/discussion/original/8a65ee2d48bbd7c495e4523f52ffe6f4094b0fd5.jpg |
| 07:30.01 | Kalroth | ur jerk! |
| 07:30.02 | Torhal | TIL mikma is into cat porn. |
| 07:30.26 | Kalroth | he's a furrie |
| 07:30.29 | mikma | torhal: i'm always up for some pussy pictures, right? |
| 07:30.38 | Torhal | >.> |
| 07:30.51 | mikma | oh yes, i went there :D |
| 07:31.07 | mikma | reminder |
| 07:31.07 | Torhal | ...that's what she said? |
| 07:31.08 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/sqa17eZ |
| 07:31.13 | mikma | that's nsfw! |
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| 07:34.28 | Shirik_ | hello, from London! |
| 07:35.27 | Fisker- | Terrible map Alram |
| 07:35.41 | Alram | just like your face |
| 07:35.48 | Kalroth | Fish, chips, cup 'o tea, bad food, worse weather, Mary fucking Poppins... LONDON. |
| 07:35.50 | Fisker- | Why are you in London Shirik ? |
| 07:36.45 | mikma | http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002731.html |
| 07:36.50 | mikma | oh that's just sad |
| 07:45.54 | nevcairiel | mikma: you keep repeating your nsfw images! |
| 07:46.12 | mikma | nevcairiel: as i said, 10:31 <mikma> reminder |
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| 08:52.26 | p3lim | 1.5GB patch for the beta |
| 08:53.21 | p3lim | another character wipe |
| 08:55.32 | Kodiack | Lots of "boring" ability tweaking. They're probably starting some balance passes |
| 09:07.11 | Maldivia | p3lim: pssh... that's sooo 45 minute ago :) |
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| 09:09.33 | p3lim | they reintroduced the channel bug again, gah they fixed this last build! |
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| 09:29.24 | p3lim | and the console doesn't seem to work |
| 09:39.35 | karl_w_w | http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2cv5os/so_the_workshop_tools_isnt_just_a_modding/ |
| 09:40.07 | Alram | where have you been the past few hours karl_w_w :( |
| 09:40.27 | karl_w_w | playing LoD |
| 09:40.34 | Alram | ur fired |
| 09:40.55 | karl_w_w | why :( |
| 09:41.09 | Alram | blame Fisker |
| 09:41.54 | karl_w_w | god dammit |
| 09:41.58 | karl_w_w | it's always Fisker |
| 09:42.54 | nebula169 | should be cool to see people try and remake the fun old war3 maps |
| 09:43.12 | Alram | i think some are already working on that |
| 09:43.25 | karl_w_w | http://d2modd.in/mods |
| 09:44.17 | karl_w_w | i doubt any1 will make 3C :P |
| 09:45.12 | karl_w_w | i want somebody to make x hero siege though |
| 09:48.04 | karl_w_w | I do it myself but I don't know the first thing about making a dota mod, and I suspect it'd be too much for 1 person to do |
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| 10:23.44 | Simca_ | p3lim: did they fix addon output to .lua? |
| 10:23.52 | p3lim | what now? |
| 10:24.09 | Simca_ | did they fix lua serialization |
| 10:25.10 | p3lim | dunno |
| 10:26.57 | p3lim | seems like it, I just did this: for i = 1, 200 do DB[i] = i end |
| 10:27.05 | p3lim | no values have decimals |
| 10:27.09 | p3lim | nor keys |
| 10:27.23 | Simca_ | :o |
| 10:27.33 | p3lim | Actually, I think it was fixed last build |
| 10:27.38 | p3lim | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=294745&postcount=7 |
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| 10:38.08 | Simca_ | sweet p3lim, thanks |
| 10:56.00 | Simca_ | guess engineers are finally getting an auctioneer http://beta.wowdb.com/spells/174513-combine-auction-control-module |
| 10:58.22 | Torhal | The search box seems pessimistic. Says "Search WoWDB (Expansion05)" - why not "Expansion0005"? Like WoW won't be around after 200 years... |
| 10:58.24 | Torhal | :D |
| 10:58.58 | Alram | mows Torhal's face with one of those grass cutting machines |
| 10:59.15 | Simca_ | God only knows why the search box even has the expansion number there |
| 10:59.17 | Torhal | accuses Alram of being Nordic. |
| 10:59.38 | Alram | wow rude |
| 10:59.44 | Kalroth | nude* |
| 10:59.58 | Torhal | I thought that went without saying, Kalroth. |
| 11:00.14 | Kalroth | actually i'm at work now, so i have to wear pants |
| 11:00.24 | Kalroth | they dont specify how to wear them though! |
| 11:00.42 | Torhal | Inside-out and backward? |
| 11:00.49 | Simca_ | on your head |
| 11:00.49 | Kalroth | on head |
| 11:00.51 | Kalroth | :D |
| 11:01.00 | Simca_ | though the last time I did that I got a nickname for 3 years |
| 11:01.03 | Simca_ | so maybe not |
| 11:01.05 | Torhal | I see. Rather, I don't and could we please keep it that way? |
| 11:01.25 | Kalroth | i'll find a mirror and take a selfie of the mirror for you |
| 11:01.36 | Simca_ | a selfie of the mirror |
| 11:01.37 | Simca_ | lol. |
| 11:02.51 | Torhal | Go home, Kalroth, you're drunk. |
| 11:03.53 | Kalroth | no i'm not, i'm danish |
| 11:04.06 | Kalroth | just like Fisker |
| 11:04.15 | Kalroth | he's my goto reference dane |
| 11:04.16 | Simca_ | Torhal, relevant: http://www.splitreason.com/Product_Images/90b193379837-xl.jpg |
| 11:04.26 | Torhal | Hah |
| 11:04.48 | rid_ | :] |
| 11:05.00 | Torhal | smashes rid_. |
| 11:05.38 | rid_ | is smashed |
| 11:05.43 | Kalroth | meanie |
| 11:06.28 | Torhal | deports Kalroth to Greenland. |
| 11:06.50 | Kalroth | equips his baby seal hunting gear |
| 11:07.09 | Simca_ | equips Kalroth hunting gear. |
| 11:07.21 | Torhal | :O |
| 11:07.35 | Torhal | reverses the polarity. |
| 11:07.46 | Kalroth | equips his penguin hunting gear |
| 11:08.20 | Kalroth | wunting wascal wittle wubuntu winstallations |
| 11:09.30 | Simca_ | yes. |
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| 11:24.40 | karl_w_w | what's that word you use when something is something? |
| 11:25.00 | karl_w_w | similar to complimentary but not |
| 11:25.50 | Kalroth | what |
| 11:26.07 | Simca_ | supplementary |
| 11:26.12 | karl_w_w | obligatory! |
| 11:26.16 | Simca_ | ah |
| 11:26.58 | Kalroth | so required or mandatory |
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| 11:38.06 | Shirik_ | Fisker: why not london? |
| 11:39.53 | Fisker | but why? |
| 11:41.39 | Shirik_ | I bet kd3 knows |
| 11:46.16 | Shirik_ | Fisker: http://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania |
| 11:46.45 | Fisker | Why didn't you say? |
| 11:49.16 | p3lim | I rarely stumble upon people this helpful, but some random guy on the beta server went through the trouble of copying 5 of his characters to find me some copper bars, found it, then smelted 100 of them from ores to bars and gave them to me for free |
| 11:49.23 | p3lim | Took him like 10 minutes :p |
| 11:57.29 | nevcairiel | would've been easier to buy them on live and copy again yourself |
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| 12:28.26 | tlund | p3lim: what were you going to do with them - and did he know what the reason was? |
| 12:28.49 | tlund | (if someone gave me a good reason for someting they wanted to test, i probably would have taken the time as well) |
| 12:30.27 | p3lim | needed to get 20 skill in JC to unlock prospecting |
| 12:30.34 | p3lim | and I told him |
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| 13:26.35 | p3lim | they are making first aid a bit more interesting in wod |
| 13:27.47 | p3lim | can make weak healing potions, oils that lowers diseases/poisons duration, and the good old bandages |
| 13:27.58 | Stanzilla | they are breaking the rules |
| 13:28.08 | Stanzilla | 100 increase instead of 75 |
| 13:28.15 | p3lim | and you seem to use leather instead of cloth for the bandages even |
| 13:28.29 | Ressy | there is no cloth for draenic stuff. |
| 13:28.46 | Ressy | The special cloth tailoring uses, is made from leather. |
| 13:28.46 | p3lim | oh, tailoring uses the fur too? |
| 13:28.50 | p3lim | ah |
| 13:28.55 | Ressy | and the cloth is bop |
| 13:28.58 | p3lim | that makes skinning a lot more viable then |
| 13:31.32 | nevcairiel | a lot of profession things are really still up in the air |
| 13:31.39 | nevcairiel | many professions dont have new recipes yet |
| 13:35.11 | Fisker | Don't you worry nevcairiel |
| 13:46.14 | Kraps | p3lim: thats great about first aid |
| 13:52.36 | alestane | Anyone have any advice about how to set up a bash script that creates a text file from text source contained in the script? |
| 13:53.01 | alestane | Just using cat seemed like an option, provided I can terminate the file inside the script body. |
| 13:54.13 | nevcairiel | usually you would use cat with a EOF token, ie like this: http://pastebin.com/rSuYAyEB .. all text is included until the EOF token |
| 13:55.38 | alestane | That's what I'm seeing from other sources as well, thanks. |
| 13:55.54 | alestane | What's that operation called with the << ? |
| 13:57.40 | nevcairiel | not sure it has a special name, its just the redirection operator that does this sort of behaviour |
| 13:57.48 | nevcairiel | read until the specified delimiter is encountered |
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| 14:00.41 | alestane | So you can specify anything that doesn't appear in the body. |
| 14:01.02 | p3lim | hm, can I use secure attributes to click a button? |
| 14:01.06 | p3lim | by name |
| 14:01.18 | nevcairiel | alestane: yeah, doesnt have to be the string EOF |
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| 14:15.06 | alestane | p3lim, I think so. |
| 14:16.55 | alestane | p3lim: Set the 'type' attribute of the button to 'click' and the 'clickbutton' attribute to the button object that you want to click on. |
| 14:17.29 | p3lim | hm, that wouldn't work well with the type + spell attributes |
| 14:17.36 | foxlit | does nobody read the code? |
| 14:17.42 | foxlit | It's like 5 lines. |
| 14:17.58 | foxlit | http://townlong-yak.com/framexml/go/SECURE_ACTIONS.click |
| 14:18.01 | nevcairiel | foxlit: sadly, most people always just ask instead of trying to help themself |
| 14:18.14 | nevcairiel | but you even have a shortcut for it :p |
| 14:18.23 | alestane | You can selectively set the type attribute so that it gets selected differently based on what modifiers or mouse button you use to click the secure button. |
| 14:19.09 | alestane | To be fair, I much prefer to get answers from people who can explain nuances when any kind of complex system is involved, instead of wading through terse or abstruse documentation. |
| 14:19.17 | p3lim | trying to cast a specific spell on the last trading slot |
| 14:19.46 | nevcairiel | do you want to click a button or cast a spell? you should decide on one :) |
| 14:19.54 | p3lim | cast a spell on a button |
| 14:20.12 | p3lim | with the inventory I can use target-bag and target-slot, but there are no such things for the trading frame buttons |
| 14:33.39 | Ackis | for the first time since steam badges were released I have all the badge drops for the games I own. Fisker you jelly bro? |
| 14:38.49 | nevcairiel | you obviously dont own enough games |
| 14:40.40 | alestane | nevcairiel, related question... when I put EOF on the same line as content, it doesn't appear to get recognized, but when I put it on a following line, the newline gets cat'd too. I want to echo some more content, procedurally generated, on the same line. How to accommodate? |
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| 14:42.24 | nevcairiel | put it in a variable before and include it in the text body? |
| 14:42.57 | nevcairiel | otherwise, no idea how to suppress the newline |
| 14:43.20 | alestane | Just was thinking that maybe I should construct the whole line. |
| 14:43.23 | alestane | And cat that. |
| 14:43.48 | nevcairiel | you can just include variables in your text blob and they'll expand |
| 14:43.53 | nevcairiel | if that works |
| 14:47.10 | alestane | I'll try it. |
| 14:48.07 | alestane | That works fine too. |
| 14:51.35 | alestane | I've been programming since '96 or thereabouts, and shell scripting still tends to make me feel like I'm tap-dancing across thin ice. |
| 14:51.38 | alestane | http://threepanelsoul.com/2014/06/02/code-maintenance/ |
| 14:52.40 | Fisker | I do as well Ackis |
| 14:52.43 | Fisker | Why would I be jelly? |
| 14:54.19 | Ackis | you're always jelly of me, because I'm Canadian and you're not |
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| 15:01.46 | Jamash | I figured out what my laser mouse doesn't like about my wrath mousepad |
| 15:01.56 | Jamash | zul'drak is too smooth |
| 15:03.02 | Jamash | so I rotated the mousepad 180° and now it's tracking fine |
| 15:03.31 | karl_w_w | http://esportsexpress.com/2014/08/twitch-inadvertently-solves-dota-2-commentary-issues/ |
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| 15:10.51 | zenzelezz | "Scientists: 'Don't freak out about ebola.' Everyone: *panic* -- Scientists: 'Freak out about climate change'. Everyone: 'LOL! Pass me some coal'" |
| 15:12.18 | foxlit | zenzelezz: it's the difference between "you might die tomorrow" and "you might die in seventy years" |
| 15:14.28 | zenzelezz | if you take the literal meaning of those, yes. Personally I read it more as a comment about people's general attitude |
| 15:16.19 | zenzelezz | viruses (virii? people don't seem to agree) with long incubation periods sort of suck |
| 15:17.00 | Sharparam | anyone know someone with the "GM69" btag? |
| 15:17.09 | Sharparam | keeps adding and removing me from friends and not responding to messages |
| 15:17.38 | zenzelezz | "Definitely not "virii" — the only plurals that end in '-ii' are those of words ending in '-ius'. "Virii" could only be the plural of 'virius', and only under the right circumstances" - interesting |
| 15:18.56 | foxlit | Sharparam: used any shady mesh-network-connecting addons, ever? |
| 15:19.09 | Sharparam | like oq and stuff? nope |
| 15:19.36 | Sharparam | friends have though, and i suppose i'd be visible through "friends of friend"? |
| 15:19.58 | foxlit | trying random FoFs seems silly. |
| 15:20.00 | Ackis | zenzelezz: more people die of malaria in a day than have died in this ebola outbreak |
| 15:20.36 | Sharparam | spamming whispers and ginvites to random people in-game also seems silly, yet people do it :P |
| 15:21.36 | foxlit | guild invites make sense; there's a clear profit from guild perks. If that persists after WoD, I'll be surprised. |
| 15:22.05 | Sharparam | what's the deal with the perks anyway, on beta there's still a perks tab |
| 15:22.42 | foxlit | it's probably in the patch notes somewhere. |
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| 15:23.09 | foxlit | some are removed, some are made baseline, others probably persist (stuff like instant mail between guild members?) |
| 15:23.34 | Sharparam | i kinda miss the mass summon :P |
| 15:23.56 | Sharparam | not that it would've been that useful nowadays i suppose |
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| 15:30.34 | p3lim | nevcairiel: The reason I was curious about the click thing was to try and make this button cast Pick Lock on the 7th trade slot in a single click: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/35bf8d1fba323134926e |
| 15:30.41 | p3lim | instead of two |
| 15:30.56 | foxlit | I've heard of this thing called "macros" |
| 15:31.09 | foxlit | Supposedly, they let you run multiple "commands" in a row. |
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| 15:33.10 | foxlit | maybe you can cast a spell and click a button... somehow. |
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| 15:33.31 | Sharparam | foxlit: are macros a new feature in WoD? |
| 15:33.38 | Sharparam | sounds exciting |
| 15:34.29 | foxlit | think of all the things we could do, in 1023 characters! |
| 15:38.49 | Sharparam | did someone recreate the guild on lvling 02 server already, or are guild names not cleared after wipes? |
| 15:49.36 | VIad | can I use GPL2 and specify that I forbid others from taking my code as-is and re-hosting it elsewhere? |
| 15:49.48 | VIad | i.e. some clause to avoid being crawled and rehosted elsewhere :P |
| 15:49.52 | Dagmar | Not really. |
| 15:50.22 | Dagmar | You'd have to rip out a couple bits of the GPL and then you're basically rolling your own licencing. |
| 15:50.24 | Neffi_ | Technically you can. You can add additional clauses that also apply |
| 15:50.28 | VIad | as an author I must be able to express that I wish to keep control where I put my own addons |
| 15:50.29 | Neffi_ | But that doesn't make much sense |
| 15:50.49 | Neffi_ | If you want such a clause, then you *don't* want GPL |
| 15:50.55 | p3lim | I would guess this would have worked, but it doesn't https://gist.github.com/anonymous/96a654ec71423f38f3dd |
| 15:51.02 | Dagmar | If I could find the damn thing I'd suggest the Bastard Public Licence |
| 15:51.12 | VIad | I don't mind GPL I mean it's fair |
| 15:51.16 | VIad | fair only if the other person isnt a dick :P |
| 15:51.20 | p3lim | if I do the /click part in the chat myself, it works, but that macrotext doesn't |
| 15:51.22 | VIad | need GPL-dick |
| 15:51.24 | Dagmar | Yeah but one of the core elements of the GPL is redistribution |
| 15:51.25 | Neffi_ | VIad: You might be better going with the GPL-like Creative Commons license, and then adding a no verbatim redistribution clause |
| 15:51.42 | Neffi_ | But then all it takes is a very small change to make it a derivative work and able to be hosted elsewhere |
| 15:51.57 | VIad | but then it's not my addon anymore, it's based ON it :P |
| 15:52.15 | Neffi_ | You can write a clause that derivatives cannot use the name of your original work in any way |
| 15:52.30 | Neffi_ | along with no verbatim redist that ought to achieve what you want |
| 15:52.39 | VIad | ugh I suck at legit-speak |
| 15:52.53 | Neffi_ | heh |
| 15:53.03 | foxlit | step 1: extract all the files. |
| 15:53.15 | foxlit | step 2: prepend "do end\n" to every .lua file. |
| 15:53.20 | Dagmar | The BPL had provisions requiring all alterations to be reported to the original author for approval, and explicitly left it up to the author as to whether to attribute the contributor at all, among other things |
| 15:53.24 | foxlit | step 3: zip and redistribute. |
| 15:53.35 | Neffi_ | Your best bet really is going All Rights Reserved, and then telling the people in plain English: "you can use my code, but you can't host my project anywhere else" |
| 15:54.02 | VIad | can I do like |
| 15:54.11 | VIad | append the GPL2 on the bottom of my lisence file |
| 15:54.16 | Neffi_ | that's about as straightforward as it can be, and you can still file a DMCA; they can't claim your legalese was too confusing |
| 15:54.19 | Dagmar | Generally just saying 'All Rights Reserved' should damn well cover it |
| 15:54.24 | VIad | but on top write all rights reserved unless told otherwise byu author :P |
| 15:54.28 | zenzelezz | you need to be careful when working with the GPL, or you may end up contracting the RMS virus |
| 15:54.41 | Dagmar | Normal copyright doesn't give someone redistribution rights unless the software in question was explicitly released as public domain |
| 15:54.52 | Neffi_ | VIad: No. Because the presence of the GPL is contrary to that. You might notice most copyright notices include All Rights Reserved, even when they're FOSS |
| 15:55.07 | VIad | I just want a fallback thingy |
| 15:55.13 | Neffi_ | When you do that you're essentially saying "I reserve all rights except the ones this license gives you" |
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| 15:55.42 | Neffi_ | also why so adamant about using the GPL? |
| 15:55.45 | Ressy | I think a few authors are switching to ARR after this latest fiasco. |
| 15:55.50 | VIad | GPL sounds nice and fair :) |
| 15:56.19 | Neffi_ | VIad: Creative Commons has a license that achieves what the GPL claims to, without having thousands of lines of self-righteous bullshit in the license text |
| 15:56.20 | VIad | I just want to have some sort of wall for those I don't know or that might be doing bad things with my addons, while keeping the GPL for those that are good guys |
| 15:56.30 | Neffi_ | This way people can, you know, KNOW their rights, instead of deciphering a fucking book |
| 15:56.58 | foxlit | VIad: what you want is fundamentally incompatible with GPL or OSS. |
| 15:57.06 | Dagmar | I'd just tell them 'All Rights Reserved. Contact the author if you would like permission to distribute this on your site." |
| 15:57.19 | Dagmar | You *can* grant explicit exemptions to people |
| 15:57.22 | Neffi_ | VIad: Then what you want is exactly "All Right Reserved" with permission granted to individuals |
| 15:57.35 | Neffi_ | oh, beaten by Dagmar D: |
| 15:57.59 | foxlit | there's no "Oh, I like how nice and fair it sounds, but I want to be neither nice nor fair. Can I do that?" |
| 15:58.32 | Dagmar | I don't see anything unnice about being picky about which sites you let distribute your addon |
| 15:58.37 | Neffi_ | Well it IS possible in the other direction, foxlit |
| 15:58.57 | Dagmar | It seems pretty reasonable to me, knowing how often cobwebs result in Bugs That Never Die |
| 15:58.59 | Neffi_ | Some people release software under GPL, but then offer to sell you a copy that's not GPL'd |
| 15:59.03 | Ressy | theres only so many sites you can keep updated.. Especially if you update often. |
| 15:59.04 | Sharparam | <Neffi_> VIad: You might be better going with the GPL-like Creative Commons license |
| 15:59.08 | Sharparam | don't use CC for code |
| 15:59.11 | VIad | I thought I could write what I want in a lisence file, and that it would be respected :P |
| 15:59.21 | Neffi_ | Sharparam: why not? |
| 15:59.42 | Dagmar | VIad: Keep in mind that under US Copyright, _all_ rights remain with the author unless otherwise specified. |
| 15:59.51 | Sharparam | Neffi_: i've heard it said by my friend who is somewhat knowledgeable about it, but i don't remember exactly what he said, so lemme ask him :P |
| 16:00.06 | Ressy | But unless you specify it, most scraping places won't respect that. |
| 16:00.12 | fewyn | http://www.twitch.tv/fishplayspokemon |
| 16:00.23 | Dagmar | VIad: You're completely allowed to put in 'All Rights Reserved. No redistribution allowed by anyone who isn't a ginger male named 'Stephen'." |
| 16:00.31 | VIad | :D |
| 16:00.44 | Dagmar | It would be a little silly, but completely legal |
| 16:01.23 | Neffi_ | Sharparam, VIad: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/ <- here. GPL, essentially, but better, because it's not full of zealotry and is actually clearly understandable |
| 16:01.31 | Neffi_ | I see no reason why this shou;dn't be applied to code |
| 16:01.35 | Sharparam | Neffi_: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Can_I_apply_a_Creative_Commons_license_to_software.3F |
| 16:02.27 | Neffi_ | Sharparam: All that's really pointing out is that the licenses don't enforce special clauses on stuff like linking, which is not only fine, but good |
| 16:02.40 | Ressy | ARL puts a license file in the addon.. States this: http://pastebin.com/L86WaziE |
| 16:02.41 | Sharparam | they mention that CC doesn't mention "source" |
| 16:02.53 | Dagmar | You can't really restrict linking unless you just want to go ahead and get 'ASSHOLE' tattooed on your forehead |
| 16:02.53 | Neffi_ | So? All Rights Reserved doesn't |
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| 16:03.01 | Sharparam | ARR is not a license |
| 16:03.20 | Dagmar | ARR is the "you don't have a licence to this" licence |
| 16:03.21 | Ressy | technically, no. But it says essentially you can't do shit with it. |
| 16:03.25 | Neffi_ | It's irrelevant. I don't need to mention source. It's the thing I'm licensing |
| 16:03.47 | Sharparam | CC was never meant for code anyway i think |
| 16:03.51 | Neffi_ | They don't mention painting, but they sure can be used for it! |
| 16:04.38 | Neffi_ | Sharparam: That's fine. They were meant for general copyright rights. And if you like their terms, it can be applied to code just fine. The benefit is, you don't have assholes like rms trying to split hairs over what you can do with object code. You have a simple set of rights, and that's better |
| 16:04.51 | Sharparam | i think there've been loopholes where some license mentions "this project" instead of explicitly mentioning a project name and someone was able to exploit that. but don't quote me on it |
| 16:04.53 | Dagmar | A binary-only representation of the code would still be covered by ARR because "transformative works" are not a thing software does |
| 16:07.18 | foxlit | anyway, the right to redistribute is rather fundamental in any oss license, so if you want to somehow skirt around that, your starting point is ARR, not any of the culturally popular licenses. |
| 16:08.27 | Sharparam | speaking of licenses, are there libraries using ARR/CC and thus technically not being allowed to be used by addons using incompatible licenses? |
| 16:10.54 | VIad | I know I suck. But would something like this work for me? http://pastebin.com/D26yqcK4 Sorry about the wording. If you think it works but find the wording bad, feel free to help me correct it and make it sound better. More lawery :P |
| 16:11.29 | foxlit | Strike everything after the first line. |
| 16:11.36 | VIad | ;( |
| 16:11.43 | VIad | I am just trying to be nice and fair |
| 16:12.10 | foxlit | btw, isn't GPL transferrable? |
| 16:12.47 | Ressy | GPL gives people the right to redistribute |
| 16:12.57 | foxlit | it's recursive, though. |
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| 16:13.11 | foxlit | If he grants me the right to redistribute, and I redistribute, anyone I redistribute to has a right to redistribute to anyone. |
| 16:13.26 | foxlit | because hey, I must redistribute under GPL. |
| 16:13.35 | VIad | foxlit: that's fine for me! |
| 16:13.46 | VIad | at least that way there would be a first step, a talk with me :D |
| 16:14.04 | Ressy | and then if you let someone else post it elsewhere, it could be scraped from there & put up somewhere you don't want. |
| 16:14.25 | VIad | what if I refer to "original author" or something like that? :P |
| 16:14.35 | Ressy | you're making this too complicated. |
| 16:14.38 | Ressy | Just go ARR |
| 16:14.45 | Sharparam | "Conceptually close to the CC licenses are academic licenses like the MITL and BSDL." maybe this is worth looking into (disclaimer: don't know anything about the mentioned licenses) |
| 16:14.49 | Ressy | You can still be nice with ARR. |
| 16:15.17 | Ressy | they just have to get permission first |
| 16:15.25 | VIad | ok |
| 16:15.31 | Neffi_ | Sharparam: This is precisely why I cannot endorse the use of the GPL |
| 16:15.45 | Sharparam | hm? |
| 16:15.47 | VIad | GPL is fine for stuff you really don't care where it ends up :p |
| 16:15.52 | VIad | or better yet, MIT? |
| 16:15.53 | Neffi_ | Sharparam: This whole concept of "compatible license" is because of over restrictive clauses on how things get linked or run together. It's fucking stupid |
| 16:16.03 | VIad | MIT is one of those really not giving a fuck as author as long they credit you :p |
| 16:16.17 | Sharparam | there's the WTFPL when you really don't care |
| 16:16.21 | Neffi_ | It's also viral. People have to use GPL or a GPL compatible license because "oh no, I might not be able to use this other good software because it's GPL!" |
| 16:17.05 | Neffi_ | It's like rms sat down and thought "how could I force everyone to be just an extreme a zealot as I am? ooh I know, hardcode it right into their license!" |
| 16:18.36 | Neffi_ | The idea that derivatives should also be FOSS is doesn't necessitate forcing license compatability on others. It's shitty business practices by somebody claiming they don't believe in shitty business practices |
| 16:19.36 | foxlit | the idea is that everyone should be free to do what they want with software. |
| 16:19.55 | Dagmar | Well, he didn't just up and decide to be a zealot |
| 16:20.39 | Dagmar | Okay maybe he *did* just up and decide to be a zealot, but they did have to make changes to the GPL because some companies were just saying "LOLFORK!" and then selling their fork _and_ trash talking the OS project tehy got it from |
| 16:20.48 | Neffi_ | foxlit: and by having some clauses present, like how software can be linked or bundled, it precisely stops people from doing what they want, because it makes it incompatible with other licenses that are also FOSS and liberal |
| 16:20.57 | Neffi_ | so it entirely fails in its intended goal |
| 16:21.37 | Neffi_ | Dagmar: I'm saying you can achieve non-commercial, share-alike without those clauses. See the Creative Commons license I linked |
| 16:21.44 | foxlit | Isn't the line something like "OSS is not Free Software"?. |
| 16:22.20 | Neffi_ | Bah. I don't want to get into a worse rant |
| 16:22.21 | Dagmar | Neffi: I'm aware that this is possible |
| 16:22.54 | VIad | uh oh! |
| 16:22.56 | VIad | "fatal: '/var/gitolite/repositories/FriendListColors-408.git' does not appear to be a git repository |
| 16:22.56 | Dagmar | Neffi: I'm also aware that the only way to be sure a lawyer isn't screwing you is when you're sifting their ashes into an urn. |
| 16:22.56 | VIad | fatal: Could not read from remote repository." |
| 16:23.00 | Neffi_ | But for somebody who claims to be such an awesome hippie type dude that abhors big business type interests, his use of branding like "Free Software" is very fucking hypocritical |
| 16:23.25 | Dagmar | Neffi: There were some *real* dick moves made against the various open-source licences that were around in the 90's |
| 16:25.25 | Sharparam | apparently MITL and BSDL that i quoted earlier the "L" was just short for "License", disregard that then, thought it was some other version of them |
| 16:25.48 | foxlit | Neffi: my understanding is that the requirements for "Free Software" are that, when you're given access to software, you must also be able to modify the source code of that software, run your modified version, and able to redistribute your modifications under the same "Free Software" license. |
| 16:26.29 | Neffi | I'm not arguing against that premise. I think it's cool |
| 16:26.35 | Neffi | I'm really just saying rms is a cunt and GPL sucks |
| 16:28.10 | foxlit | Your personal attacks on some guy who's not here aside, what I'm getting is that you don't like that it doesn't mix with some other licenses. |
| 16:28.17 | Neffi | ah damn. Right before we started talking about GPL I had an awesome idea for an addon that I was gonna start coding. Now I've forgotten it |
| 16:28.39 | foxlit | Maybe it's because those other licenses don't fit the "Free Software" premise that you think is cool. |
| 16:29.23 | Neffi | foxlit: CC BY-NC-SA, LGPL |
| 16:30.25 | Stanzilla | I just dinged 91 and a new trap was unlocked, uwotm8? |
| 16:30.27 | Sharparam | the ultimate advice from various discussions on the internet always boils down to "Consult a lawyer" :P |
| 16:30.47 | foxlit | CC is not a software license. It does not provide the "right to run your modified versions" |
| 16:30.49 | Dagmar | Stanzilla: Yeah the "you mgiht have just boosted to 90" stuff is still weird |
| 16:31.16 | Stanzilla | what is a new trap :D |
| 16:31.27 | Neffi | foxlit: I would say that's implied by intention of using the license |
| 16:31.49 | Dagmar | Stanzilla: Ice traps, fire traps, snake traps, etc |
| 16:32.15 | Stanzilla | I'm not a hunter! |
| 16:32.17 | Neffi | sort of like how GPL technically isn't valid for WoW addons because they run in the memory space of a closed source host, but the intention of the author is to use the GPL, so there's an implicit clause to "fix that" |
| 16:32.30 | foxlit | Neffi: and yet it's not in the license, so it doesn't work for "Free Software". |
| 16:33.36 | Neffi | I don't care if it fits his brand. It works in general. And a similar license with that explicit cause can be crafted, so it's certainly not valid to say no other license can fit the intention of the GPL without compat-virality |
| 16:34.10 | foxlit | and GPL is the result of trying to adapt those principles to legal and technical reality. |
| 16:34.31 | Neffi | then I guess the LPGL doesn't really work |
| 16:34.36 | foxlit | It does you no good if I distribute code that you can modify, but cannot compile or run on your device because I'm not releasing cryptographic keys. |
| 16:35.08 | Dagmar | OH MY GOD THERE'S A NEW LAUNDRY BOOK |
| 16:35.12 | Dagmar | @#$ wrong channel |
| 16:35.39 | Neffi | A non-obfuscation clause would be cleaner than restrictions on linking |
| 16:36.08 | Neffi | Anyway, I kinda don't care anymore. I just wanna go play WoW |
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| 16:36.28 | Cairenn | Dagmar: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mcahogarth/the-laundry-dragons |
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| 16:39.08 | Dagmar | Cairenn: Better Laundry https://play.google.com/store/books/details/Charles_Stross_The_Rhesus_Chart?id=WC0kAgAAQBAJ |
| 16:39.11 | Neffi | somebody throw a good Broker display addon or two at me to try out |
| 16:39.28 | Cairenn | Dagmar: heh |
| 16:39.54 | Gethe | Neffi: chocolate bar |
| 16:40.02 | Stanzilla | bazooka |
| 16:40.32 | Neffi | Gethe: I like the name. That's promising |
| 16:41.17 | Gethe | :P |
| 16:42.20 | Sharparam | so, anyone have an idea for a new guild name? :P |
| 16:44.43 | Dagmar | RangerZ|Laptop: Yes it is. I take it you've only read one of them? |
| 16:44.49 | Dagmar | fucking @#$#@ |
| 16:46.02 | Cairenn | lol |
| 16:50.49 | p3lim | Cairenn: why don't we have wowhead tooltips on wowi? |
| 16:51.08 | Cairenn | shrugs |
| 16:52.22 | VIad | fun trivia - last major patch was soon a year ago :D siege of orgrimmar |
| 16:52.30 | VIad | imagine it's been dead for so long :D |
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| 17:01.42 | Sharparam | siege has been out for a year? :o |
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| 17:05.08 | Neffi | p3lim: I was gonna link you to the userscript that added Wowhead tooltips to all Wowhead links on all pages... then I noticed userscripts.org is dead. That's not good |
| 17:06.21 | p3lim | not only the tooltips, but also the bbcode blocks |
| 17:06.32 | Gethe | injects Neffi with javascript |
| 17:06.54 | p3lim | not saying they should be added, but just odd that they haven't been already, considering both sites are part of the same network |
| 17:07.41 | Neffi | Gethe: I suddenly feel kinda slow and obtuse |
| 17:08.04 | Sharparam | Neffi: https://greasyfork.org/ |
| 17:08.36 | Neffi | yeah, it's not on there |
| 17:08.38 | karl_w_w | get forked |
| 17:08.46 | Neffi | also the userscript mirror can't be searched, so I can't find it on there |
| 17:08.48 | Sharparam | Neffi: make one :3 |
| 17:08.57 | Neffi | I'm terrible at Javascript though |
| 17:09.27 | Neffi | the last time I used Javascript was when I was 12, didnt know how to program, but could work out how to modify other people's scripts |
| 17:10.13 | karl_w_w | you didn't know how to program at 12? shocking |
| 17:10.22 | Neffi | I think the only thing I actually ever did with Javascript was make an analog clock that followed the cursor |
| 17:10.32 | Neffi | stabs karl_w_w |
| 17:12.20 | Sharparam | Neffi: https://gist.github.com/Sharparam/99e98fd9ef9f2bc6c707 |
| 17:12.48 | Sharparam | disclaimer: not tested |
| 17:13.57 | foxlit | is window outside that scope or something? The second script tag seems like a very weird run-around. |
| 17:14.48 | Neffi | they need to let us name our mounts |
| 17:15.12 | Neffi | so I can have Talbuk Giantsbane |
| 17:15.32 | Sharparam | i used to use the script for /r/wow with includes to restrict it to the sub, then i forgot about it |
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| 17:30.29 | Gethe | anyone on beta atm? need a group |
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| 18:08.19 | VIad | Sharparam: why is it wrapped like that? |
| 18:08.59 | Sharparam | to make it run on document load i think, the old script didn't have @run-at |
| 18:09.19 | VIad | I recommend Scriptish |
| 18:09.22 | Esamynn|work | JavaScript is evil.... at present a necessary evil, but still evil |
| 18:09.26 | VIad | Greasemonkey is kind of shit :P |
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| 18:11.09 | VIad | Sharparam: https://github.com/scriptish/scriptish/wiki#faq |
| 18:12.27 | Semlar | amg you can set the floor using SetMapByID now |
| 18:13.01 | Esamynn|work | zomg |
| 18:13.17 | Semlar | you don't have to set it separately now! |
| 18:13.24 | Esamynn|work | ZOMG! |
| 18:13.33 | Semlar | tries to calm esamynn down |
| 18:13.40 | Neffi | "Drain Life Cast by a warlock to regain life. Duh." lol |
| 18:13.56 | Esamynn|work | Semlar: pfft, that's not even the best bit of mapping news for this exp |
| 18:13.58 | Semlar | "Life tap cast to annoy healers" |
| 18:14.23 | Esamynn|work | there is new shiny to outshine all new shiny for all time in the most recent patch ;) |
| 18:14.31 | Semlar | oh yeah? |
| 18:14.33 | Neffi | whats that? |
| 18:14.36 | Esamynn|work | UnitPosition |
| 18:14.44 | Semlar | did they really? |
| 18:14.49 | Esamynn|work | yes they did |
| 18:14.53 | Esamynn|work | for player and party only |
| 18:14.53 | Semlar | man, they do listen! |
| 18:14.58 | VIad | OMFG |
| 18:15.09 | Esamynn|work | I was playing with it this morning |
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| 18:15.17 | Semlar | i literally asked the guy in this chat if they could add that |
| 18:15.22 | Neffi | didnt we already have that? |
| 18:15.28 | VIad | UnitPosition x,y,z? |
| 18:15.34 | VIad | map relative or world? |
| 18:15.36 | Esamynn|work | 4 returns, I'm not certain what the third is |
| 18:15.45 | Esamynn|work | no, still just x,y VIad |
| 18:15.51 | Semlar | it's called UnitPosition? |
| 18:16.00 | Esamynn|work | iirc |
| 18:16.40 | Esamynn|work | Neffi: no, we didn't. this API is independent of current map zoom |
| 18:16.45 | Semlar | they reset characters so i'll need a minute |
| 18:17.07 | Semlar | 4 looks like the instance ID |
| 18:17.22 | Semlar | and yes those are global coordinates |
| 18:17.24 | Esamynn|work | aye, I think so as well |
| 18:17.37 | Esamynn|work | it's just 3 I don't have a guess for atm |
| 18:17.49 | kd3 | ! |
| 18:17.51 | kd3 | !!!!!! |
| 18:17.53 | Semlar | map id? i'd need a minute |
| 18:17.59 | Esamynn|work | ~calm kd3 |
| 18:17.59 | purl | ACTION sooths kd3, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm kd3 down. |
| 18:18.19 | Semlar | these stupid tutorial things are covering all my frames |
| 18:18.22 | Esamynn|work | Semlar: no, not map id |
| 18:18.34 | Esamynn|work | yah, I was hating on this this morning too |
| 18:18.59 | Esamynn|work | from what I remember, 3rd was always a 6 digit number that did not seem familiar |
| 18:19.16 | Esamynn|work | 4th jumped out at me once I swtiched continents |
| 18:19.22 | Semlar | wow yeah i have no idea what that is |
| 18:19.59 | Semlar | are you sure that isn't a Z |
| 18:20.02 | Esamynn|work | it's still the holy grail of mapping API |
| 18:20.11 | Semlar | it's changing if i move like 2 inches |
| 18:20.18 | Esamynn|work | 99% sure, I checked while flying and just going up or down didn't change it iirc |
| 18:20.42 | Semlar | it's not a float anyway |
| 18:20.48 | Sharparam | i heard the 3rd is supposed to be Z but blizz is using some fubar number for it until it's properly implemented? |
| 18:21.00 | Esamynn|work | ??? |
| 18:21.06 | Esamynn|work | source? |
| 18:21.14 | Sharparam | sec |
| 18:21.26 | Sharparam | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=294958&postcount=7 |
| 18:21.27 | Semlar | 4th is definitely the instance ID |
| 18:21.29 | VIad | new char wipe? :D |
| 18:21.34 | Semlar | although i'm not sure if it's the real or display ID |
| 18:21.41 | Semlar | let me check silvermoon |
| 18:21.53 | Esamynn|work | also, Cairenn password expiry on wowi? wtf? |
| 18:21.54 | Semlar | it's probably the real one |
| 18:22.03 | Cairenn | shrug |
| 18:22.07 | Cairenn | s* |
| 18:22.08 | Semlar | yeah, it's 530 for silvermoon |
| 18:22.16 | Esamynn|work | and 530 for outland |
| 18:22.19 | Semlar | yep |
| 18:22.28 | Semlar | so coordinates are based on your real instance |
| 18:22.32 | Esamynn|work | I coulnd't confirm in the couple minutes I had this mroning, but my recoolection was that 530 was the outland instance |
| 18:22.33 | Semlar | not your transformed one |
| 18:22.41 | VIad | you read tom_rus lua script? |
| 18:22.43 | Esamynn|work | makes sense |
| 18:22.48 | Esamynn|work | that would be the easiest for them to return |
| 18:22.55 | Semlar | it is also better for us |
| 18:23.25 | Semlar | i'm not sure you could even reverse it if you had the displayed instance only |
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| 18:23.40 | Esamynn|work | aye |
| 18:23.45 | Esamynn|work | would be more difficult |
| 18:23.46 | VIad | seems they are returning xyz though |
| 18:23.48 | VIad | :) |
| 18:24.03 | Semlar | i haven't gone to a flying area yet |
| 18:24.13 | Semlar | this would be quite easy to confirm |
| 18:24.46 | Esamynn|work | I checked in SW |
| 18:24.46 | Semlar | unless |
| 18:24.51 | Esamynn|work | I tried just going up/down |
| 18:24.52 | Esamynn|work | no change |
| 18:24.53 | Semlar | the number is based on the ground level |
| 18:25.04 | Semlar | it certainly doesn't change while flying |
| 18:25.13 | Semlar | could it possibly be a heightmap thing |
| 18:25.20 | Esamynn|work | perhaps |
| 18:25.29 | Semlar | maybe it's just bugged |
| 18:25.40 | VIad | no need to guess - just read tom_rus datamined code :p |
| 18:25.41 | Semlar | doesn't matter, this is amazing |
| 18:26.00 | Sharparam | "Looks like the Z coordinate is still being worked on and they're throwing out a garbage value for now." posted by SDPhantom after tom_rus |
| 18:26.18 | Semlar | it clearly represents SOMETHING right now |
| 18:26.36 | Semlar | it's not completely random |
| 18:27.15 | Sharparam | int random() { return 4; } |
| 18:27.18 | Sharparam | :3 |
| 18:27.20 | Semlar | i don't care half as much about the z axis as i do about the rest of it |
| 18:27.25 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 18:27.38 | Esamynn|work | though having the Z axis may open up some very interesting possibilities |
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| 18:27.43 | Semlar | it would be really cool if we could get the Z though |
| 18:27.51 | Esamynn|work | but those would take far more time to develop |
| 18:28.08 | Semlar | you could make a much more advanced map |
| 18:28.54 | Esamynn|work | I may have to alter Astrolabe's API in order to use this correctly... only just got a chance to try to the beta today so it'll be a few days before I have any sort of update ready |
| 18:29.57 | Semlar | this is so awesome |
| 18:30.09 | Semlar | my minimap doesn't have to constantly SetMapToCurrentZone |
| 18:30.16 | Esamynn|work | I know |
| 18:30.29 | Esamynn|work | I'm still giddy hours later =D |
| 18:32.03 | Semlar | okay right now z is just based on your x and y coordinates so it's meaningless |
| 18:32.13 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 18:33.52 | Semlar | judging by this it looks intentional |
| 18:34.13 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.51 | Semlar | like, it looks like they HAVE the Z and then overwrite it with something useless |
| 18:39.05 | Esamynn|work | interesting |
| 18:40.47 | Esamynn|work | what would REALLY make this cool is if it also returned the map/floor that SetMapToCurrentZone() would set your map to |
| 18:40.48 | Semlar | there's also the UnitDistanceSquared function so you don't even have to figure that out yourself |
| 18:41.03 | Esamynn|work | oh? is this also new? |
| 18:41.08 | Semlar | yeah |
| 18:41.15 | Semlar | it probably factors in the Z too |
| 18:41.28 | Semlar | i'd need someone else to test that |
| 18:42.39 | Semlar | it just takes a unitID and presumably returns the distance between you and it |
| 18:43.16 | Semlar | for group members |
| 18:43.32 | Semlar | i wonder if it works on pets |
| 18:43.48 | VIad | group is a lot of units |
| 18:43.55 | VIad | player, party, raid, pet, e.g. |
| 18:44.54 | Neffi | if you were to import all the heightmaps from the mpq/casc files, semlar, is there anything interesting you can do? |
| 18:45.13 | Semlar | i could use a lot of memory |
| 18:45.14 | VIad | optimal route to destination? |
| 18:45.29 | Semlar | it would be insane to calculate paths inside the game |
| 18:45.33 | VIad | fly left, above or right to reach x,y |
| 18:45.36 | VIad | *,z |
| 18:45.38 | VIad | yeah |
| 18:45.52 | VIad | could limit calculations to avoid lag |
| 18:45.53 | Semlar | if you wanted to do that you would just create a handful of points outside the game |
| 18:45.58 | Neffi | they'd probably compress somewhat well |
| 18:46.06 | Neffi | of course decompression without jit is probably slow as fuck then |
| 18:46.26 | Semlar | anyway, unit distance doesn't work on your pet |
| 18:46.32 | Semlar | so i'd need another person |
| 18:47.33 | Semlar | UnitPosition also doesn't work on your pet |
| 18:49.25 | Semlar | so they're restricted to player units in your group |
| 18:50.40 | Semlar | "<widget>:SetCreatureData(creatureID)" |
| 18:50.53 | Semlar | any idea what widget that's for |
| 18:50.57 | Semlar | i'm guessing models |
| 18:51.04 | VIad | not very logical |
| 18:51.07 | Semlar | but models already have that |
| 18:51.11 | VIad | creatureID is just a creatureID |
| 18:51.18 | VIad | we already had SetCreature no? |
| 18:51.22 | VIad | whats the Data bout? |
| 18:51.47 | Semlar | i wouldn't go by what they call their functions |
| 18:52.09 | VIad | nsfw http://imgur.com/gallery/Sc3XQ looks like eating disorder walking :/ |
| 18:52.23 | Semlar | model:SetDisplayInfo takes a display ID |
| 18:53.18 | VIad | couldn't find SetCreatureData in my lua files |
| 18:53.43 | Semlar | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=294084&postcount=1 |
| 18:53.58 | VIad | hehe |
| 18:54.04 | VIad | might be just wrong argument name :P |
| 18:54.17 | VIad | :SetCreature then :SetCreatureData for further customization |
| 18:54.30 | VIad | maybe creatureID isn't the ID of the npc |
| 18:54.35 | VIad | I like SetCooldownUNIX |
| 18:54.38 | VIad | :P |
| 18:54.43 | Semlar | it's most likely an npc ID |
| 18:54.53 | Semlar | that's the same thing they call it in another api function |
| 18:54.54 | VIad | we can test can't we? we got beta! :D |
| 18:55.05 | Semlar | we could if we knew what the hell widget this was for |
| 18:55.18 | VIad | can't we scan _G ? |
| 18:55.35 | Semlar | it's not a global function |
| 18:55.41 | Semlar | it would be in a meta table |
| 18:55.45 | VIad | jupp |
| 18:55.49 | Semlar | you'd have to scan every widget's metatables |
| 18:55.51 | VIad | yes |
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| 18:56.03 | VIad | simple addon to code :p |
| 18:56.24 | Semlar | well it's not for models |
| 18:57.17 | VIad | CinematicModel widget |
| 18:57.26 | Esamynn|work | does UnitPosition work on raid members? |
| 18:57.31 | Semlar | probably |
| 18:57.38 | Semlar | i'd be surprised if it didn't |
| 18:57.38 | VIad | CreateFrame("CinematicModel") |
| 18:57.43 | Esamynn|work | aye, so would I |
| 18:57.52 | Semlar | the hell is a cinematicmodel |
| 18:57.56 | TC-Work | "to returned be will card the number, RMA an without PNY cards graphics defective send not" And this is just another reason why I do not use PNY. |
| 18:57.57 | VIad | shrug |
| 18:58.02 | VIad | another derivate of Model? |
| 18:58.06 | Semlar | it's not even in this http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets_hierarchy |
| 18:58.08 | Esamynn|work | I'm expecting it to work for anything GetPlayerMapPosition works for |
| 18:58.16 | VIad | wowprogramming is just outdated :) |
| 18:58.44 | VIad | CreateFrame("Scale") |
| 18:58.47 | VIad | new widget for scaling |
| 18:58.54 | VIad | Scale:GetFromScale Scale:GetToScale Scale:SetFromScale Scale:SetToScale |
| 18:59.05 | Semlar | that's just an animation widget |
| 18:59.08 | VIad | Semlar: could this help with our minimap rare icon "issue"? |
| 18:59.09 | VIad | oh |
| 18:59.13 | Semlar | it shouldn't be from CreateFrame |
| 18:59.44 | VIad | what is Texture:SetToFileData ? |
| 18:59.57 | Semlar | possibly for atlases |
| 19:00.16 | Semlar | something about built in coordinates |
| 19:01.40 | Neffi | TC-Work: dafuq |
| 19:01.55 | TC-Work | Engrish |
| 19:03.02 | VIad | Semlar: the CinematicModel will allow movie like camera editing and more |
| 19:03.12 | Neffi | TC-Work: Engrish is broken but somewhat intelligible |
| 19:03.13 | VIad | wow machinima taken to the next level |
| 19:03.15 | jnwhiteh | VIad: i updated .. like last weekend |
| 19:03.16 | Neffi | i have no idea wtf that is |
| 19:03.22 | jnwhiteh | is something in the widgets wrong? |
| 19:03.24 | jnwhiteh | i mean it only shows live |
| 19:03.26 | jnwhiteh | not WoD |
| 19:03.28 | jnwhiteh | because, we're not on WoD yet |
| 19:03.35 | jnwhiteh | but that's all there and ready to go |
| 19:03.35 | VIad | what? |
| 19:03.41 | TC-Work | Neffi: Yoda speak? |
| 19:03.55 | Neffi | not quite |
| 19:04.03 | VIad | jnwhiteh: I am confused |
| 19:04.03 | Neffi | I think it's the Engrish analogue of Yoda speak |
| 19:04.23 | Esamynn|work | VIad: he's talking about wowprogramming |
| 19:04.31 | jnwhiteh | you said the magic words =) |
| 19:04.44 | jnwhiteh | "wowprogramming" AND "out" AND "date" |
| 19:04.44 | TC-Work | Soooo....google translate x 3. |
| 19:05.38 | VIad | ah |
| 19:05.47 | VIad | well yeah! |
| 19:05.56 | VIad | even wowpedia got stuff documented for wod, even if on beta :D |
| 19:06.11 | kd3 | because we're not bound by the 'on live realms' limitation |
| 19:06.12 | VIad | I guess it's fine with one place to scribble notes before release :) |
| 19:06.35 | Semlar | outdates jnwhiteh |
| 19:07.06 | VIad | :GetRect() |
| 19:07.21 | Alram | :GetRekt() |
| 19:07.44 | VIad | :SetUnit("Alram") :SetRekt(true) |
| 19:09.57 | Semlar | Esamynn: UnitPosition does work when you aren't on the map, i went to the tram to make sure |
| 19:10.12 | VIad | Semlar likes to live dangerously. Off the grid. |
| 19:11.02 | Semlar | i'm gonna go make a sammich |
| 19:11.36 | TC-Work | Make me one as well |
| 19:11.48 | Semlar | k |
| 19:19.50 | Fisker | Any of you guys want pixeljunk shooter? |
| 19:22.42 | TC-Work | You shoot at pixelated junk? |
| 19:23.18 | jnwhiteh | kd3: "We're" not either |
| 19:23.22 | jnwhiteh | i can change it at any time |
| 19:23.29 | jnwhiteh | and anyone can edit any page at any time |
| 19:23.31 | jnwhiteh | it is a wiki after all |
| 19:31.15 | Semlar | i ran a few benchmarks and strsplit is about 40% faster than strmatch, even if it means assigning like twice as many variables |
| 19:32.43 | Neffi | string.split is just a plaintext search for the delimiter. I would hope it's faster than manually matching it |
| 19:34.22 | Semlar | i have no idea what strsplit does internally |
| 19:34.31 | Semlar | it's not a lua function |
| 19:35.26 | Fisker | oh man Shirik |
| 19:35.57 | Neffi | I could take a guess. it walks the string, looks first occurance of delimeter, and packs everything from START to DEL_POS-1 into a Lua string; repeat with START being DEL_POS+1 |
| 19:36.26 | Semlar | neffi did i mention they implemented UnitPosition |
| 19:36.35 | Neffi | like a few times yeah |
| 19:36.43 | Semlar | they implemented UnitPosition |
| 19:36.44 | Neffi | i dont know why that's significant. i havent done much map stuff |
| 19:37.16 | Semlar | what it means is i can draw my map even in places like the deeprun tram |
| 19:37.54 | Semlar | because my map has the minimap textures |
| 19:38.17 | Neffi | cool beans |
| 19:39.03 | Semlar | but the distance function they added is going to make implementing something like the DBM radar super easy |
| 19:39.26 | Semlar | or showing how many healers are nearby or the direction of the nearest healer |
| 19:41.01 | Semlar | these things are important when you're as inclined to die as often as i do |
| 19:42.47 | Neffi | lol |
| 20:19.59 | Neffi | http://newyork.craigslist.org/stn/sdp/4598860029.html -_- |
| 20:29.04 | kd3 | so much bag space in beta: http://twitter.com/Kaydeethree/status/497479490101338112 |
| 20:29.15 | kd3 | and my second void storage tab isn't even full |
| 20:29.43 | Ressy | reagent bank? |
| 20:30.09 | TC-Work | It's still never enough. |
| 20:30.14 | Jamash | want reagent bank so bad |
| 20:30.17 | kd3 | just has 11 slots used since everything stacks to 200 now. my herb bag was way over full. |
| 20:30.25 | Jamash | and 200 stacking |
| 20:30.34 | Jamash | I have soooo many herbs and enchanting mats |
| 20:30.53 | kd3 | (one of the items in my reagent bank is http://wowpedia.org/Blood_of_Heroes) |
| 20:32.12 | Jamash | I hope those are both in 6.0 |
| 20:32.37 | kd3 | there's no reason why they'd have to wait until warlords launch |
| 20:40.49 | Mr_Rabies | still no tabard storage or...that other thing they were talking about but isn't yet in, i forget what |
| 20:43.04 | kd3 | the heirloom tab |
| 20:44.05 | Gethe | they said they still want to do those thing, but not at launch |
| 20:52.27 | Semlar | Esamynn: SetMapByID(mapID, floor) doesn't actually work |
| 20:53.43 | Semlar | but the error message does mention [floor] as an optional argument |
| 20:55.44 | jleclanche | anyone feels like donating roughly 90 petabytes of storage? |
| 20:55.59 | Semlar | no |
| 20:57.44 | Dagmar | jleclanche: I have a server image here somewhere or other that has that, although the filesystem it thinks it has is a bit larger than that |
| 20:57.54 | Dagmar | Will 64 zetabytes be okay? |
| 20:58.12 | jleclanche | clearly not |
| 20:58.49 | Dagmar | Something went really wrong with it and it decided it's new filesystem was 64z in size, so I froze the image, backed it up, and deleted the entire thing from the ESX cluster. |
| 20:59.01 | jleclanche | I bet that took you a few years |
| 20:59.18 | Dagmar | Actually only a few minutes. There's some amazing compression in play on the SAN apparently. |
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| 20:59.26 | Dagmar | The thing fits on a single DVD |
| 20:59.35 | Gnarfoz | tawn |
| 20:59.38 | Gnarfoz | *yawn |
| 20:59.56 | Gnarfoz | as if the SAN had anything to do with it if the VMFS gets corrupted and makes ESX think the size is something it is not |
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| 21:00.17 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: what for? |
| 21:00.17 | Dagmar | I've no idea what went awry there, but it didn't happen when I built the thing anew at least |
| 21:00.33 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: 90 petabytes is what I estimated Twitch's spring cleaning to amount to |
| 21:00.37 | Shirik_ | hey Fisker |
| 21:00.40 | Dagmar | I did a df and out of my mouth comes 'how many fucking digits is that?' |
| 21:00.48 | Gnarfoz | gj without actual data on that |
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| 21:01.00 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: who says no actual data? |
| 21:01.01 | Gnarfoz | and now you think you could somehow get your hands on that stuff? |
| 21:01.07 | Gnarfoz | you work for Twitch? derp |
| 21:01.14 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: you have problems |
| 21:01.17 | Dagmar | They would probably put a hit on anyone who leaks that |
| 21:01.34 | Alram | 90 petabytes? |
| 21:01.44 | Alram | thats probably what google does for logging in a day |
| 21:01.45 | Dagmar | ...and considering the rumors I've been hearing about their possible purchase price, it would be economical to do so |
| 21:04.16 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: at 860 megabytes per hour of average video size, and roughly 105186000 hours of footage over two to three years, that adds up to 90 petabytes |
| 21:04.28 | jleclanche | i didnt say it was an exact calculation, i specifically used the term "estimated" |
| 21:04.43 | Semlar | that's a lot of porn |
| 21:04.44 | Dagmar | 860mb/hour? |
| 21:04.56 | jleclanche | yeah, source footage |
| 21:05.08 | Dagmar | Maybe in uncompressed raw streams |
| 21:05.12 | Semlar | 860mb for an hour of video would be fairly low resolution |
| 21:05.14 | jleclanche | yep, thats how they store it as |
| 21:05.26 | jleclanche | i mean, they store the highest format |
| 21:05.33 | Semlar | raw video is huge |
| 21:05.35 | jleclanche | the worst part is they probably store more than that but im not counting thatr |
| 21:05.35 | Dagmar | That seems... well... a bit wasteful |
| 21:05.51 | jleclanche | eh its not that bad |
| 21:06.00 | jleclanche | i imagined 2 gigabytes per hour originally, turned out much lower |
| 21:06.42 | Semlar | a 2.5 minute recording for me is 5gb |
| 21:06.47 | Gnarfoz | gj |
| 21:07.04 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: seriously what is your glitch |
| 21:07.12 | Gnarfoz | I'm not even talking to you |
| 21:07.26 | Gnarfoz | what's your goal? |
| 21:07.33 | Gnarfoz | do you think you can "save" the video? |
| 21:07.47 | Gnarfoz | they're not doing this because they're out of space, they're doing it to appease their buyer. just as with the content-id thing. |
| 21:08.06 | jleclanche | i bet google is very fucking worried about having to store 90 petabytes of data |
| 21:08.19 | jleclanche | this was sarcasm, by the way |
| 21:08.57 | Dagmar | THer'es probably an engineer popping TUMS right now, thinking about the task of applying useful metadata to all their videos in order to get them into GFS tho |
| 21:09.24 | jleclanche | also no Gnarfoz, if you couldn't tell, I'm not ACTUALLY looking for 90 petabytes of free storage to donate, and if I were, i wouldnt ask in this fucking channel. |
| 21:09.37 | Gnarfoz | I could tel |
| 21:09.52 | Dagmar | If you can get the feds to let it go I can think of a datacenter that would be more than happy to let you start using their disks |
| 21:09.53 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 21:10.06 | Gnarfoz | let it goooo |
| 21:11.11 | jleclanche | I am looking for people willing to archive specific channels though if anyone has a few tens of gigabytes of bandwidth and disk space |
| 21:11.48 | Gnarfoz | wouldn't asking the channel owner be the most straight-forward thing? they can export to youtube at will |
| 21:12.14 | jleclanche | by most straightforward you of course mean least scalable right? |
| 21:12.27 | Gnarfoz | scalable? |
| 21:12.42 | jleclanche | im not looking to archive one channel, Im looking to archive a few hundred |
| 21:13.04 | Gnarfoz | "a few tens of gigabytes" does not suggest "a few hundred channels" |
| 21:13.09 | Gnarfoz | but ok |
| 21:13.21 | jleclanche | which is why I said: "I am looking for people willing to archive specific channels" |
| 21:13.27 | jleclanche | I'm spreading the work. jesus man |
| 21:14.09 | Gnarfoz | I could offer some 10 gbit but not a lot of storage |
| 21:14.17 | Gnarfoz | probably not useful~ |
| 21:15.02 | jleclanche | persistent storage is more important right now seeing as we have a few weeks to do this |
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| 21:17.42 | jleclanche | The HTTPS debate is making me like google again |
| 21:17.54 | Alram | why did you dislike them |
| 21:20.32 | Dagmar | Incipient republicanism, probably |
| 21:21.21 | jleclanche | a disregard for open messaging formats |
| 21:21.24 | Dagmar | WHat happens when you say 'trickle-down economics'? Any giggling or cackling? |
| 21:21.27 | jleclanche | and a host of other reasons |
| 21:21.33 | Alram | oh ok |
| 21:21.36 | Alram | i thought it was something serious |
| 21:21.39 | Alram | :> |
| 21:21.49 | Semlar | google is too big |
| 21:22.11 | Semlar | they know too much |
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| 21:25.29 | Dagmar | If you think they know too much now, just wait until they buy IBM and hook Watson into GFS and the whole thing goes Skynet while everyone's at lunch. |
| 21:25.38 | kd3 | ugh. a quest that uses colored text in the description? |
| 21:25.51 | Dagmar | kd3: Asian RPG? |
| 21:26.10 | Gnarfoz | yes, WoW is available in Asia, too |
| 21:26.18 | kd3 | newp. http://wod.wowhead.com/quest=34398 |
| 21:26.58 | Dagmar | Oh that thing |
| 21:27.14 | Dagmar | It annoys me to no end that it's improperly centered. |
| 21:27.30 | jleclanche | kd3: bane of my existence |
| 21:27.35 | Dagmar | Like, someone took the time to put a few spaces in front of each line |
| 21:27.56 | jleclanche | kd3: as someone who has had to deal with it, i hate wow's text formatting system |
| 21:28.01 | Dagmar | But... not enough to actually get the crap in the center. |
| 21:28.58 | Semlar | that would depend on the font |
| 21:31.21 | jleclanche | kd3: got a screenshot btw? |
| 21:31.46 | kd3 | sec |
| 21:33.52 | kd3 | http://twitter.com/Wowpedia/status/497495832376393728 |
| 21:34.30 | Seerah | heh |
| 21:34.33 | Mr_Rabies | i still don't get why quest descriptions don't bother listing the reputation you'll get |
| 21:34.45 | Mr_Rabies | that's a reward! |
| 21:35.06 | Alram | someone wanted to be a fancy ass quest designer |
| 21:35.18 | Alram | "lets use colors and formatting" |
| 21:35.21 | Alram | "that will be impressive" |
| 21:36.13 | Dagmar | ...having no clue that space-indentation in lieu of a centering function is a _venal sin_ of the worst sort. |
| 21:38.47 | Mr_Rabies | maybe khadgar typed it himself and he's terrible at formatting |
| 21:39.27 | Alram | oh its on the hero's call board |
| 21:39.32 | Alram | maybe the stormwind guard had an intern do it |
| 21:39.36 | Alram | damn interns |
| 21:39.51 | Dagmar | At least he didn't use Comic Sans to "keep it informal" |
| 21:40.16 | Dagmar | ...or six different typesets like an escapee from the early days of moveable type. |
| 21:40.30 | Sharparam | Dagmar: don't give them ideas |
| 21:40.42 | Dagmar | Heh |
| 21:41.01 | Dagmar | I've said to someone 'Oh my gosh. What are the rest of their demands?" in a meeting before. |
| 21:41.32 | Dagmar | Six different font families, a total of nine styles on one page |
| 21:42.29 | Sharparam | :o |
| 21:43.04 | Dagmar | That's what counts as a "moderated" response for me |
| 21:43.36 | Dagmar | I have also said "You know, just because your computer comes with 85 fonts doesn't mean you have to use them all at once. Save some for later, man." |
| 21:43.59 | Dagmar | Also, "This site is almost ready to go on GeoCities or Angelfire." |
| 21:44.54 | Dagmar | That conversation also involved a commnet about needing a <BLINK> tag... which was actually being used on the next page. |
| 21:50.30 | Sharparam | so it's true |
| 21:50.36 | Sharparam | that business really is horrible |
| 21:53.02 | kd3 | this is what the quest looks like on the wiki. the centering needs to go. http://wowpedia.org/Quest:The_Dark_Portal_%28Alliance%29 |
| 21:54.54 | Dagmar | kd3: You at least got it centered. |
| 21:56.09 | End | kd3: UnitPosition as in the x, y, z we lost back in 1.3 or so? |
| 21:56.31 | Shirik_ | apparently netflix selection is modified in london :( |
| 21:56.47 | foxlit | Shirik: wait until you try to access hulu? |
| 21:56.47 | kd3 | more or less, the z is bogus, but x,y work. return #4 is the ... instanceID |
| 21:56.53 | End | :O |
| 21:57.14 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 21:57.18 | End | I wonder why the z is bogus...maybe related to how we lost the function in the first place |
| 21:57.26 | End | s/how/why/ |
| 21:57.45 | Semlar | pretty sure we lost it because addons could control where the character went back then |
| 21:58.11 | Semlar | either that or they thought the new map functions could replace it |
| 21:58.21 | Dagmar | TakeMeThere was awesome as a mage |
| 21:58.26 | Dagmar | One click suicidese |
| 21:58.56 | End | I think movement already required a hardware event at that point...although you could semi-program it because tainting wasn't introduced until 1.10 or 1.11 |
| 21:59.56 | Dagmar | Well, the addons would literally auto-walk you there in Ye Olden Days |
| 22:00.07 | Dagmar | They also did not care what they walked you through |
| 22:01.08 | Dagmar | I tried to use it maybe 3-4 times to go through Stranglethorn before giving it up |
| 22:22.45 | jleclanche | kd3: is the toybox account wide? |
| 22:24.35 | kd3 | yes |
| 22:24.50 | jleclanche | cool |
| 22:24.51 | kd3 | if you have dupe items on other characters/copies, you can delete the extras |
| 22:29.11 | kd3 | whee. a storm's here. let's see how long my net lasts |
| 22:30.22 | Sharparam | storms are awesome :3 well except for the possible power cuts... |
| 22:31.11 | Mr_Rabies | <Dagmar> ...or six different typesets like an escapee from the early days of moveable type. |
| 22:31.14 | kd3 | nah, my issue is that water gets in the phone lines and the SnR goes down the drain |
| 22:31.25 | Mr_Rabies | i loved making a poster for a history class in this style |
| 22:31.35 | Mr_Rabies | playing around with gaudy typefaces is the best |
| 22:32.07 | Mr_Rabies | it was for a fictional steamboat travel company set in the 19th century |
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| 23:02.27 | Neffi | hey somebody mentioned disabling the combat log and reusing ChatFrame2. who was that and how did they do it? |
| 23:02.49 | Neffi | because DisableAddOn"Blizzard_CombatLog" seems to work at first, but then you get a bunch of errors when you try to mess with the chat |
| 23:11.39 | Sharparam | anyone wanna come sign <Stack Overflow> on lvling realm 02 (horde)? :D |
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| 23:54.59 | Semlar | disables neffi |
| 23:55.36 | Neffi | dont do that |
| 23:59.40 | Semlar | i don't want to be an enabler |
