| 00:04.45 | Neffi_ | Semlar: https://i.imgur.com/iJaGUZE.jpg |
| 00:05.09 | Semlar | tries to calm neffi down |
| 00:05.48 | Neffi_ | enrages |
| 00:06.14 | Semlar | tranqs neffi |
| 00:06.32 | Neffi_ | .o. |
| 00:09.13 | TC-Work | hogties Neffi_ |
| 00:11.25 | Neffi_ | squeals |
| 00:12.26 | kd3 | ah, damn you treasures in areas that you can only get to as part of a quest |
| 00:12.39 | kd3 | grrs |
| 00:12.51 | Ressy | I'm liking those random items with garrison resources |
| 00:13.35 | kd3 | I've found... half of them? somewhere in there |
| 00:15.23 | kd3 | lazy tracking addons are always fun. anything with coords/commented out I've definitively found: https://github.com/kaydeethree/wow-vignettes |
| 00:16.11 | Sharparam | there is now a guild on lvling realm 02, horde-side: <All Rights Reserved>, everyone having every guild priv possible |
| 00:16.17 | kd3 | also wowpedia.org/Category:<zone>_vignettes for a more visual perspective |
| 00:16.29 | Semlar | kd3: if you're interested in my vignette arrow thing for the beta, http://semlar.com/addons/Rarefied_beta.zip |
| 00:22.34 | Semlar | you could have an addon automatically map those out for you if you want |
| 00:23.02 | kd3 | that would be helpful. I've got it most-of-the way automated |
| 00:23.31 | kd3 | fully automatic makes my life that much easier |
| 00:23.36 | Semlar | i have the calculations for getting their position on the minimap in there, all you'd have to do is translate that into map coordinates |
| 00:24.15 | Semlar | astrolabe might even be able to do that for you |
| 00:24.26 | Semlar | not sure if it works backwards |
| 00:26.20 | Semlar | might not be worth the effort if you already have most of this finished |
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| 01:08.21 | Semlar | neffi |
| 01:08.49 | Semlar | i think i has figured out what the frames are doing on the beta |
| 01:08.58 | Semlar | maybe |
| 01:09.13 | Semlar | i should probably test this on live to make sure |
| 01:14.19 | Semlar | evidently if you hide two frames and then show them, the one that's shown second will appear on top |
| 01:15.47 | kullervo | ewgh a firefall dev just tried to tell me the steam install and web install have different structures... when the only difference is that the steam install is nested a few folders deeper D: |
| 01:16.31 | Neffi | Semlar: that sounds awful |
| 01:16.38 | Semlar | well, it does that on live too |
| 01:17.01 | Semlar | as far as i can tell, on beta my OnUpdate scripts are not firing in any sort of order |
| 01:17.55 | Semlar | i don't know why i gave each plate its own OnUpdate handler to move itself, but regardless, it doesn't behave the same way on beta as it does on liev |
| 01:18.22 | kullervo | doesn't beta handle updates differently |
| 01:18.32 | Semlar | it must, they appear to be firing simultaneously |
| 01:19.04 | Semlar | because the only way this result could happen is if one update handler hid its frame and another one showed its frame before that one had a chance to finish executing |
| 01:20.17 | Semlar | i should be able to fix it by just doing all of the positioning inside of one update handler but this is something i didn't know about |
| 01:21.39 | Semlar | do you know what they changed about update handlers? |
| 01:22.13 | Semlar | they seem to be running in parallel |
| 01:28.16 | Semlar | actually i have no idea why my script isn't doing this on live because my simplified version makes it pretty clear they can fire in whatever order they feel like |
| 01:30.18 | Torhal | They knew you were coming, Semlar - they were prepared. |
| 01:30.37 | Semlar | they couldn't possibly be prepared |
| 01:32.54 | Semlar | i figured it out |
| 01:33.04 | Semlar | they don't behave that way inside of a scrollframe |
| 01:33.07 | Semlar | on live |
| 01:33.12 | Semlar | but they do on the beta |
| 01:34.37 | Semlar | which sucks because the reason i was using a scrollframe was because it kept the contents of different frames from overlapping each other |
| 01:35.22 | Guillotine | Semlar: There definitely shouldn't be scripts running in parallel. There isn't any guarantee as to what order OnUpdate widget events get fired though. |
| 01:35.52 | Semlar | yeah it's my fault for using separate OnUpdate handlers |
| 01:36.48 | Semlar | damn, they must have changed the way frame levels work inside of scrollframes when they stuck their map in one |
| 01:37.02 | Guillotine | And ScrollFrame rendering does work a little differently now. It used to be that frame stratas/levels were just ignored in ScrollFrames. |
| 01:37.11 | Semlar | i liked that feature! |
| 01:37.14 | Semlar | i was using it! |
| 01:37.35 | Torhal | ScrollFrames as chop shops! |
| 01:37.36 | Semlar | now if you put two frames on top of each other their textures are going to overlap |
| 01:37.50 | Torhal | Man, that allowed some nifty stuff, even if it was a bug. |
| 01:37.52 | Guillotine | Semlar: Just give them different frame levels! |
| 01:38.08 | Torhal | sets Semlar's frame level to -3. |
| 01:41.37 | Semlar | i can't find any screenshots of it, but basically the "fill" texture would overlap the border if two frames overlapped each other, which looks horrible |
| 01:41.56 | Semlar | instead of treating them as two completely separate entities |
| 01:43.56 | Guillotine | Semlar: If they're the same frame level/strata, that's how it has always worked (except in scroll frames) |
| 01:45.00 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/KfIMB5x.jpg the default nameplates do it, so there's a good example |
| 01:45.26 | Semlar | anyway, i wanted to avoid having to manually set the frame level of each one (and i'm not entirely sure that even fixed it the last time i tried) |
| 01:45.49 | Semlar | the behavior inside of a scrollframe was perfect though |
| 01:46.11 | Semlar | you made a frame, everything you put on it was treated like it was completely separate from another frame |
| 01:48.04 | Guillotine | Semlar: If having different frame levels doesn't work, it's a bug. But it's intended that one frame's OVERLAY layer renders on top of another frame's ARTWORK layer if they're at the same strata/frame level. |
| 01:49.23 | Guillotine | The alternative would break a lot more than it would fix :( |
| 01:50.22 | Semlar | right, but i want nameplates to all appear under the rest of the interface, not just keep increasing the frame levels |
| 01:50.55 | Torhal | Nameplates are Black Magic Voodo. |
| 01:51.19 | Semlar | magic people voodoo people |
| 01:51.51 | Torhal | Soylent Greens Semlar in the hopes of a better nameplate system. |
| 01:52.23 | Torhal | Sorry, Semlar - I pick on Neffi in #lua |
| 01:52.31 | Guillotine | Semlar: As long as nameplates are in the BACKGROUND strata, there shouldn't be any issues with them being on different frame levels and overlapping other UI |
| 01:53.11 | Semlar | if i understand correctly, they'll just end up overlapping the "background" elements of other frames |
| 01:54.21 | Semlar | Torhal: that's my job! |
| 01:54.40 | Semlar | i wonder if two scrollframes will overlap each other |
| 01:54.46 | Torhal | Semlar: You aren't in #lua |
| 01:56.31 | Semlar | well, i suppose someone has to do it |
| 01:56.37 | Guillotine | Semlar: I believe each ScrollFrame is a separate render pass (and so won't overlap) |
| 01:56.47 | Guillotine | But please don't put each nameplate in its own scroll frame :P |
| 01:56.51 | Semlar | you can't stop me |
| 01:57.03 | Guillotine | Is that a challenge? >.> |
| 01:57.28 | Semlar | i'm doing it right now |
| 01:57.58 | Semlar | EVERY PLATE GETS A SCROLLFRAME! |
| 02:03.01 | Semlar | the way god intended |
| 02:04.13 | Semlar | i wonder if they ever fixed this behavior http://i.imgur.com/wyJYtkq.gif |
| 02:04.34 | Guillotine | New in next beta patch: max of 4 scroll frames displayed at once for performance purposes. See Semlar for details. |
| 02:04.42 | Guillotine | :P |
| 02:04.44 | Semlar | puts scrollframes inside of scrollframes |
| 02:06.06 | Semlar | i tried using real font strings instead of textures, but cutting it off with a scrollframe made the edge wobble when you moved it around |
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| 02:07.27 | Semlar | and it was making my eyes twitch |
| 02:07.45 | Guillotine | If you don't want that to happen, you have to make sure frames are placed on pixel boundaries. |
| 02:07.56 | Semlar | they are, look at the background |
| 02:08.30 | Semlar | and it only does it vertically, the horizontal edge looks fine |
| 02:09.01 | Semlar | erm, the right side stays in place, the top woobles |
| 02:09.28 | Guillotine | Semlar: Are you sure it's on a pixel boundary vertically? If anywhere in the frame hierarchy you have a frame that has an odd-numbered height anchored by/to LEFT/RIGHT/CENTER, it'll break |
| 02:09.46 | Semlar | yeah, i'm sure |
| 02:10.02 | Semlar | it has something to do with the fontstrings |
| 02:10.22 | Semlar | the number on the bottom is from a texture |
| 02:10.55 | Guillotine | Semlar: Post a minimal test-case on some forum somewhere :) |
| 02:11.18 | Semlar | i'll probably have to rewrite it |
| 02:11.23 | Semlar | i don't think i have this any more |
| 02:11.36 | Semlar | i guess i wanted to test it on the beta anyway |
| 02:17.15 | Torhal | Something that would be awesome to have fixed, since it's been broken since its addition in TBC: Having InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToCategory actually scroll to the entry it opens. |
| 02:17.19 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/VHWWCDL.jpg ah, much better |
| 02:17.37 | Torhal | Been using http://www.wowace.com/addons/blizzbugssuck/ for years to make it work. |
| 02:22.47 | Simca | yeah i've been using custom code for it in all my addons |
| 02:23.00 | Stanzilla | StrataFix is the one blizzard bug fix addon I cannot play without |
| 02:24.35 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/nbQoQjT.png is an effective workaround |
| 02:24.41 | Stanzilla | but yeah, agree with Torhal |
| 02:25.11 | Stanzilla | Simca: calling it twice works, too |
| 02:25.26 | Simca | really? weird. |
| 02:25.37 | Torhal | Yeah, always has. |
| 02:28.26 | Torhal | Simca: More verbose, but performs the checks on the frame itself: https://www.dropbox.com/s/n6hvxury7bpuwlj/Screenshot%202014-08-05%2021.28.44.png |
| 02:29.24 | Torhal | Anywho, passout time. |
| 02:30.28 | Simca | haha I wonder if you could do hooksecurefunc("InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToCategory", function(...) InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToCategory(...) end) |
| 02:30.55 | Simca | probably the worst idea in the history of forever but would be funny to see if it works |
| 02:32.37 | Semlar | slightly infinite loop |
| 02:33.22 | Semlar | it should only need to be called twice the first time |
| 02:33.45 | Semlar | i think it works normally after that |
| 02:37.11 | Neffi | <Torhal> Sorry, Semlar - I pick on Neffi in #lua <- he really does D: |
| 02:37.35 | Semlar | it's tradition, that makes it okay |
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| 02:59.25 | Semlar | Guillotine: http://semlar.com/addons/Nomplates.zip here's a minimal thing |
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| 03:02.44 | Semlar | actually, in the original version i think i put a texture on the scrollframe that showed the fontstring wasn't even staying inside of the scrollframe |
| 03:05.25 | Semlar | yeah, the top border of the scrollframe isn't moving, the font string is just popping out of it |
| 03:05.30 | Semlar | great |
| 03:05.44 | Iriel | Did you mean to anchor the font to the outer frame? |
| 03:06.09 | pompy | ohh Blizzard https://www.facebook.com/Warcraft/photos/a.298842734033.144051.138011799033/10152542724254034/?type=1 |
| 03:06.10 | Iriel | Youâre also (according to wowprogramming) supposed to give the scroll child an ABSOLUTE size |
| 03:06.15 | Iriel | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/ScrollFrame |
| 03:06.47 | Semlar | you don't need to set an absolute size for a scrollframe but it does the same thing regardless |
| 03:07.32 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/wyJYtkq.gif <- this is what it's doing |
| 03:08.26 | Iriel | Semlar: not the ScrollFrame, the ScrollChild |
| 03:09.21 | Semlar | i think that's if you're using the scrollframe as an actual scrollframe and want to track the scroll offset |
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| 03:09.47 | Semlar | but the problem here is the font string is actually being drawn outside of the scrollframe |
| 03:09.57 | Iriel | Have you tried anchoring the font string to the scrollchild |
| 03:10.04 | Iriel | instead of to something outside of it |
| 03:10.22 | Iriel | Your frame arrangement is completely inconsistent with normal scrollframe use |
| 03:10.31 | Iriel | Not to say itâs not possibly broken 8-) |
| 03:11.11 | Iriel | Normally however one anchors stuff inside the scrollframe to the scrollchild |
| 03:12.06 | Semlar | doesn't make a difference |
| 03:12.21 | Semlar | name2:SetPoint('BOTTOMLEFT', scrollchild) |
| 03:12.59 | Iriel | And you took out the setallpoints on name? |
| 03:13.05 | Semlar | yes |
| 03:13.17 | Iriel | What if you reverse: scrollframe:SetScrollChild(scrollchild) |
| 03:13.18 | Iriel | scrollchild:SetAllPoints(scrollframe) |
| 03:13.26 | Semlar | not that its anchor should matter, anything inside of a scrollframe should be getting cut off regardless of where it is |
| 03:13.45 | Semlar | this exact same test works if i use textures instead of a font string |
| 03:14.01 | Semlar | using all of the same anchors and what not |
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| 03:15.49 | Iriel | I was just seeing if there were some assumptions in the fontstring code that might be invalidated by strange construction. |
| 03:17.24 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/8GegIUZ.jpg the font string appears to actually be drawing outside of the scrollframe (in red) depending on its position on screen |
| 03:17.39 | Semlar | that should not even be possible |
| 03:18.37 | Iriel | Right, the renders within the scrollframe are supposed to have a clipping rectangle |
| 03:18.47 | Iriel | itâs one of the things which made scrollframes âexpensive" |
| 03:18.53 | Iriel | since that introduced a pipeline stall |
| 03:19.02 | Iriel | Maybe font rendering was âoptimized"? |
| 03:19.55 | Semlar | i don't know, it only appears to be doing it on the top edge |
| 03:20.20 | Semlar | i can't tell if it's doing it on the bottom |
| 03:20.29 | Semlar | but if it isn't, i might be able to do this backwards |
| 03:21.03 | Semlar | it's definitely not doing it on the left and right |
| 03:21.55 | Cairenn | Well, ron just posted on the wowi thread |
| 03:24.50 | Cairenn | He actually just gained some respect, in my eyes, by doing so. |
| 03:27.12 | Semlar | but.. what are we supposed to do with these pitchforks.. |
| 03:27.28 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 03:40.39 | Arrowmaster | Semlar: you sharpen and polish them because if you put them away right now it could be too soon |
| 03:42.21 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.07 | Shirik | haste: this is insane |
| 03:44.34 | Shirik | I leave my house for a couple hours because I need to go run some errands, map: http://i.gyazo.com/e8ab880974a0a74838aacf8a0e924e51.png |
| 03:44.52 | Shirik | come back, map: http://i.gyazo.com/14c50664f77d7724f3f76b1995b8446f.png |
| 03:53.25 | smcn | my landlord is such an idiot he has a guy running a leafblower at 9pm on a weekday |
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| 03:54.09 | Dagmar | Shirik: Hey at least they made a couple of fields |
| 03:54.28 | Dagmar | Around here, the concept of "a triangle" is a strange and mysterious alien topology. |
| 03:55.05 | Shirik | Dagmar: I do not understand how suddenly we went from dominating this town to "do we even have a portal left"? |
| 03:55.34 | Dagmar | They drive more, probably |
| 03:56.20 | Dagmar | There are parts of this town we have on lockdown, primarily because 4 or more E's drive through there twice a day |
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| 03:57.47 | Dagmar | If you want to make it more annoying for them, don't take *every* portal. Just take every other one |
| 04:00.22 | Dagmar | Slowly but surely, I'm hunting the worst of dandelion farmers down and shaming them. |
| 04:00.42 | Dagmar | One of them has a link:field ratio of over 10 to 1. |
| 04:00.56 | Dagmar | It's basically just dumb luck when his stuff is involved in a field |
| 04:02.05 | Semlar | neffi http://i.imgur.com/UJ7DyVt.jpg |
| 04:02.19 | Semlar | y u do dis |
| 04:04.24 | Dagmar | Oh hell |
| 04:04.28 | Dagmar | That's a specific cymptom |
| 04:05.48 | Dagmar | Assuming you're not filling your radiator with just water, *smell that* |
| 04:06.06 | Semlar | it's rain water |
| 04:06.31 | Dagmar | Are you driving around with a plastic bag for a window or something>? |
| 04:06.37 | Semlar | nope |
| 04:06.53 | Semlar | the door seal is all intact too |
| 04:07.31 | Dagmar | You're sure it's _rain_ water? Because it's usually a plugged condensar or a coolant leak |
| 04:07.38 | Semlar | well the AC doesn't work |
| 04:07.41 | Semlar | so |
| 04:07.54 | Dagmar | So it appears when there's rain? |
| 04:07.55 | Semlar | no, i know it's rain |
| 04:08.36 | Semlar | this is a fairly recent development though |
| 04:08.56 | Dagmar | Yeah well check your coolant levels tomorrow |
| 04:09.16 | Dagmar | This is not the time of year to let a radiator run dry |
| 04:09.17 | Seerah | how do you know it's rain? |
| 04:09.45 | Semlar | it shows up after it rains |
| 04:09.55 | Dagmar | Reasonable |
| 04:09.56 | Semlar | it has been pouring here in florida |
| 04:10.30 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it's leaking through a hole where the door speaker is mounted |
| 04:10.36 | Semlar | but i could be wrong |
| 04:10.49 | Dagmar | Typically cars that have a heater fed by hot water from the radiator (which is most of them) have that inside the dashboard on the passenger's side |
| 04:11.10 | Dagmar | If it cracks, yay ponding cooland in the floorboard |
| 04:11.20 | Dagmar | ...and is cause for some alarm. |
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| 04:12.46 | Semlar | coolant is both blue and has a smell to it though, right |
| 04:13.33 | Semlar | or at least it's definitely colored |
| 04:14.32 | Semlar | i mopped this all up with a towel and wrung it out so i'm pretty sure it's rain water |
| 04:15.51 | Semlar | i am concerned about whether this could be a potential electrical problem having all that water soaking into the floor |
| 04:16.19 | Semlar | i have no idea what's under there |
| 04:17.34 | Neffi | the boogie man |
| 04:19.06 | Semlar | o.o |
| 04:28.54 | Semlar | you want a terrible car neffi? i'll trade you |
| 04:29.51 | Semlar | it doubles as a cistern |
| 04:33.46 | Semlar | i think i could buy another crappy car that doesn't leak for less than the cost of repairing this |
| 04:37.04 | Neffi | trade me for what? I don't have a car to give you >_> |
| 04:37.15 | Neffi | I'll give you some pokeman cards |
| 04:37.29 | p3lim | fair trade right there |
| 04:37.48 | Neffi | i have a holographic charizard that definitely isn't fake |
| 04:38.16 | p3lim | I remember when pokemon first came out, made my own card, scammed a shitload of kids at my school :p |
| 04:38.50 | Neffi | you evil bastard |
| 04:39.27 | Thunder_Child | I need a new car as well. |
| 04:42.16 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure i would be trading up to a pack of pokemon cards |
| 04:43.12 | Thunder_Child | My car quadruples in value if I take my camera with me. |
| 04:53.37 | znf | Linode UK seems down |
| 05:01.11 | p3lim | hm, wouldn't UnitHasVehiclePlayerFrameUI and UnitHasVehicleUI be pretty much identical? |
| 05:01.39 | p3lim | like, is there any case where you'd have the vehicle playerframe but not the bar? |
| 05:03.48 | kd3 | yah, a few SoA "vehicle" quests come to mind. some quests I had the bar, others I didn't |
| 05:07.24 | p3lim | if UnitHasVehiclePlayerFrameUI covers more cases than UnitHasVehicleUI, it should be used instead for unitframe addons I suppose |
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| 05:45.11 | Semlar | neffiiiiii |
| 05:45.43 | Neffi | no Semlar, i go sleep now |
| 05:45.51 | Semlar | can i come |
| 05:45.59 | Neffi | um...... ok |
| 05:46.04 | Semlar | eeee |
| 05:51.04 | Thunder_Child | Get. A. Room. You. Two. |
| 05:58.31 | Torhal | Night two: Another two-hour sleep. The humans don't know I'm insane. |
| 06:02.33 | Thunder_Child | s/insane/more insane than usual/ |
| 06:06.18 | Torhal | :/ |
| 06:07.00 | Torhal | I went to the office early so I'd get out early and actually get some damn sleep, early. Still ended up going to bed at 10:30pm...and waking up at 12:30 |
| 06:07.58 | Torhal | So yeah, likely just more insane than usual. |
| 06:12.43 | haste | Shirik: we have a daily war against two others who live at the same place |
| 06:13.00 | haste | Shirik: around 25 portals that go up and down 4-6 times a day |
| 06:13.08 | haste | Shirik: fully deployed and linked almost every time |
| 06:16.50 | Mr_Rabies | >fire jugglers outside darkmoon portal juggling away |
| 06:16.53 | Mr_Rabies | >i approach |
| 06:16.58 | Mr_Rabies | >jugglers stop juggling |
| 06:20.51 | Shirik | haste: that sounds awesome |
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| 06:33.10 | haste | Shirik: not so much gear wise :D |
| 06:33.53 | haste | I need 650 fields for gold badge now tho' |
| 06:35.15 | haste | and 1848 links :P |
| 06:42.56 | Shirik | I just got my first badge :( |
| 06:42.58 | Shirik | 20 unique portals |
| 06:43.06 | Shirik | but I'm going to London tomorrow so I get lots of unique portals! |
| 06:43.52 | tlund | i captured three unclaimed portals out in the forest last night, yay :) |
| 06:44.03 | tlund | going back tonight to see if I can get them linked |
| 06:44.03 | Semlar | hellgate london? |
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| 06:59.16 | Mr_Rabies | this carnival music at the darkmoon faire is driving me nuts |
| 07:02.43 | Torhal | I didn't mean to imply that you're Costco, Cairenn. |
| 07:02.45 | Torhal | >.> |
| 07:02.46 | Torhal | <.< |
| 07:04.24 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 07:05.29 | Semlar | i'd still shop at you |
| 07:07.08 | Cairenn | heh |
| 07:14.16 | Semlar | i can't figure out how to get "SetHorizontalScroll" and "SetVerticalScroll" to actually move the scrollchild |
| 07:14.38 | Semlar | i normally just.. manually set the anchors |
| 07:16.52 | Simca | haha yeah I just did the 2 hr sleep thing too Torhal |
| 07:17.11 | Torhal | It wouldn't be so bad if I hadn't done it last night as well. |
| 07:17.13 | Torhal | FML. |
| 07:17.42 | Semlar | i slept once, it was awful |
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| 07:24.21 | Semlar | nah i'm kiddin it was awesome |
| 07:25.46 | Simca | Torhal: updated the repo to fix the comments bug and stripped the WoD changes and put them into a branch |
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| 07:27.56 | Torhal | Simca: Ah, cool. I should actually just add you to the CurseForge project so we don't have to deal with this madness. |
| 07:28.32 | Torhal | Simca: Ok, you have repo access now. |
| 07:28.48 | Simca | okay, cool, thanks |
| 07:32.40 | Mr_Rabies | aren't sleep cycles like 45 minutes or so? wouldn't 2 hours just wreck that? |
| 07:33.17 | Torhal | Yeah. I'm a wreck right now, considering this is two days in a row. Wide awake, too. |
| 07:33.23 | p3lim | Mr_Rabies: http://sleepyti.me/ |
| 07:33.24 | Mr_Rabies | oh, between 70-100 mins for first cycle, 90-120 for REM |
| 07:34.05 | Mr_Rabies | my sleep schedule is totally wrecked but at least i get good sleep |
| 07:34.15 | Mr_Rabies | i'm going to bed at 6-8AM nowadays :x |
| 07:35.27 | Mr_Rabies | interesting to go from orange to plum so quickly foxlit |
| 07:35.31 | Mr_Rabies | :O |
| 07:36.02 | p3lim | Semlar: take a look at DiscoKugel |
| 07:36.05 | Mr_Rabies | are you adopting a new browser-style versioning strategy? |
| 07:37.41 | p3lim | Semlar: I used SetHorizontalScroll to clip portraits to match the healthbar in my unitframes: https://github.com/p3lim-wow/oUF_P3lim/commit/b95e3fd2e20db216b7647fe6e54297e0324754d5 |
| 07:39.20 | Semlar | i tried doing this http://pastebin.com/mK7WU3wE to replace the world map's scroll child with my own (basically copied its xml properties) and it just ignores its scroll offsets |
| 07:40.02 | Semlar | am i missing something |
| 07:42.04 | Semlar | wait are you manually changing the point and then calling SetHorizontalScroll? |
| 07:42.25 | p3lim | Yup |
| 07:42.27 | Semlar | in their code they literally use SetHoritzontalScroll to move the frame |
| 07:42.36 | Semlar | they aren't reanchoring it |
| 07:42.54 | p3lim | I'm moving it so it clips correctly |
| 07:43.40 | Semlar | when i call SetHorizontalScroll nothing happens, it does update the value GetHorizontalScroll returns though |
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| 07:59.03 | Simca | Torhal: are there support for branches? can I branch the WoD stuff like I did on bitbucket or should I just leave it out for now? |
| 08:13.41 | Torhal | Simca: Yeah, it just won't package the branches. |
| 08:13.45 | karl_w_w | well that's disappointing, my new visa debit card came (old one expiring this month) and the card design is the same! also the number is the same |
| 08:13.59 | Simca | k |
| 08:19.34 | Kalroth | report it stolen, karl_w_w |
| 08:20.10 | karl_w_w | is that a threat Kalroth? |
| 08:21.15 | Kalroth | no, it's a promise |
| 08:21.38 | karl_w_w | oh ok |
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| 08:41.45 | karl_w_w | so now I need to think of all the places that need to know my new credit card number |
| 08:42.18 | karl_w_w | well, new details, old number |
| 08:42.27 | Simca | Torhal: looks like it packaged the branch but I manually edited it to patch 6.0.1 only, does that work for now? |
| 08:42.55 | Torhal | Oh, that's right - Mercurial support on the old packager is FUBAR. |
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| 08:43.02 | Torhal | I'll just set it to package only on tags. |
| 08:43.13 | Simca | kk |
| 08:43.42 | Torhal | I only use Mercurial for Curse stuff because that (was) the standard. |
| 08:44.07 | Simca | What do you use now - Git? |
| 08:44.35 | Torhal | I've always used Git since '09 - but everything at the office was done in Mercurial, so that's what the AddOn uses. |
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| 08:45.13 | Simca | I first used mercurial when downloading the profiler's repo over a year ago, and quickly converted my Git projects to it. Much simpler command-wise, even if there is less history control |
| 08:45.26 | Torhal | Ah |
| 08:46.01 | Torhal | Unfortunately, the old packager is ass and we don't have WoW on the new CurseForge yet. :/ |
| 08:46.27 | Torhal | But hey, tags-only works. |
| 08:46.55 | Simca | I can see how Mercurial's lack of history alteration is inferior if there are many people working on the project though, very difficult to strip changesets with more than a couple of people |
| 08:47.23 | Maldivia | Simca: but you're not supposed to strip changesets after they are pushed :) |
| 08:48.26 | Simca | yeah I think that's a major case of "I'm a dev of Mercurial and this sounds like something people would never need and my head is entirely grounded in theory and not real-world use." |
| 08:48.41 | Maldivia | heheh :) |
| 08:49.15 | Simca | nobody wants to see you upload a revision, then upload two more because you made typos |
| 08:49.26 | Torhal | I prefer Git due to my tendency to wander around fixing incidental shit and forgetting to commit. I can then cherry-pick stuff to stage for a commmit. Can't do that with Mercurial unless you're using a horribad queue extension. |
| 08:49.58 | Simca | yeah Maldivia gave the same reasoning when I was talking with him about it |
| 08:50.25 | Torhal | Plus fast-forward commits are awesome. |
| 08:50.40 | Torhal | Nope! That was NOT a merge. |
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| 09:57.22 | Mr_Rabies | whoa whoa whoa |
| 09:57.45 | Mr_Rabies | they have had frank welker doing VO since at least wrath and haven't had a megatron reference? |
| 09:59.20 | Mr_Rabies | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejpC1GZIkjY#t=30 |
| 09:59.22 | zenzelezz | maybe he was an expansion late |
| 09:59.23 | Mr_Rabies | literally his megatron voice |
| 09:59.34 | zenzelezz | wasn't BC the last one they really used giant robots? |
| 10:00.11 | Mr_Rabies | they could have an excuse to have a titan giant robot |
| 10:00.57 | karl_w_w | game needs more giant robots |
| 10:01.07 | karl_w_w | cancelled subscription because no giant robots |
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| 10:03.02 | Sintacks | cancels karl_w_w |
| 10:04.08 | Workfoz | kd3|hate`net: just saw your question about PNG support in the 6.0 changes thread (from July)... didn't T² say at the BlizzCon dinner that it basically amounts to flipping a switch, since their internal builds have supported PNG for years? xD |
| 10:08.42 | zenzelezz | https://twitter.com/warpzonetweets/status/496822677362208768/photo/1 - this is so bad it's good |
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| 10:09.54 | Workfoz | is that even Jaime in the 2nd pic? oO |
| 10:10.55 | zenzelezz | from one of the first episodes I believe, perhaps when they visited Winterfell |
| 10:11.20 | Mr_Rabies | of course wrath had the voltron reference in ulduar, zenzelezz |
| 10:12.35 | zenzelezz | I don't seem to recall that one |
| 10:13.03 | zenzelezz | I'm not particularly into Transformers, but the Void Reavers look like them to me |
| 10:13.18 | zenzelezz | or was it Fel; and Void was the boss |
| 10:15.19 | Workfoz | a) Voltron is not Transfomers |
| 10:15.25 | Workfoz | b) he's talking about Mimiron |
| 10:15.52 | Semlar | yeah voltron is a pokemon |
| 10:16.01 | Mr_Rabies | fel reavers are definitely a mix of various robutts |
| 10:16.11 | zenzelezz | oh. Was Frank Welker the void of Voltron too? |
| 10:16.27 | Mr_Rabies | voltron was a piloted mecha, so no voice |
| 10:17.38 | Mr_Rabies | he head of the fel reaver is definitely inspired by the ingrams from patlabor |
| 10:18.05 | Mr_Rabies | http://toyshopsingapore.com/images/Yamato%20Mobile%20Police%20Patlabor%20AV-98-I%20Ingram%201-24%20Scale%20Action%20Figure.2.jpg |
| 10:18.58 | zenzelezz | I can definitely see the resemblance, though that could also be coincidental. Robotic heads tend to follow one of a few "themes" |
| 10:19.49 | Mr_Rabies | it even has the swept "wings" on the head, which aren't super common (though they are in warcraft "paladin-esque" helmets) |
| 10:20.46 | Mr_Rabies | patlabor owns, everyone should watch it |
| 10:20.48 | Mr_Rabies | why, you ask? |
| 10:21.01 | Mr_Rabies | mecha body armor http://www.macross2.net/m3/moremecha/av98-armor/av98-ingram-armor-lineart.gif |
| 10:21.35 | zenzelezz | neat |
| 10:21.47 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.macross2.net/m3/moremecha/av98-armor/av98-ingram-armor.gif |
| 10:21.59 | zenzelezz | glad it says "police" on the back so there'll be no confusion (unless you're in front of him or at his sides) |
| 10:22.38 | zenzelezz | that jockstrap looks a bit like another unfortunate robot's face |
| 10:22.39 | Mr_Rabies | well, that's when it has the jacket on |
| 10:22.53 | Mr_Rabies | you should probably know it's police if it's geared up like that |
| 10:23.24 | Mr_Rabies | otherwise, it's got these lights: http://i.imgur.com/oBdK9My.gif |
| 10:23.39 | zenzelezz | that does help |
| 10:24.05 | zenzelezz | I feel like one of these days, I should grow up and start drinking coffee and watching anime |
| 10:24.38 | Mr_Rabies | the patlabor OVA's a great gateway animu |
| 10:25.04 | zenzelezz | is there a difference between anime and animu? |
| 10:26.16 | Mr_Rabies | animu is just a self-degrading term some anime nerds use, i guess, i dunno |
| 10:26.22 | Mr_Rabies | basically a corruption of the term, i guess |
| 10:26.24 | Simca | <Workfoz> kd3|hate`net: just saw your question about PNG support in the 6.0 changes thread (from July)... didn't T² say at the BlizzCon dinner that it basically amounts to flipping a switch, since their internal builds have supported PNG for years? xD |
| 10:26.25 | Mr_Rabies | western ones, that is |
| 10:26.40 | Simca | it is flipping a switch. they are using PNGs themselves for parts of the UI in WoD |
| 10:26.58 | Simca | they just won't allow addon authors to use them because reasons |
| 10:27.08 | Simca | (no clue what those reasons are, but they're probably bad) |
| 10:28.21 | Workfoz | hm, they are? |
| 10:28.24 | Workfoz | they didn't use to |
| 10:29.02 | Workfoz | he basically said their use it internally because it's easier for the artists (NO SHIT?) and then convert it to blp for public builds because they disable PNG on those |
| 10:29.02 | Workfoz | :D |
| 10:29.08 | Workfoz | *they |
| 10:29.30 | Workfoz | well, anyway, shame they still keep it disabled |
| 10:30.12 | Mr_Rabies | they said they may reevaluate, which is as close as you'll get to "yeah we'll do it sometime in the next expansion or so" at this point |
| 10:30.49 | Workfoz | well, that's just "as usual, things might or might not change" speech ^^ |
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| 10:31.46 | Workfoz | but yeah, T² obviously didn't make any promises, either, just pointed out that it would be very easy to turn it on ^^ |
| 10:33.24 | Mr_Rabies | "There's no PNG support in Warlords of Draenor, but we may reevaluate this in the future." for an exact quote if you want to dissect through the bluespeak |
| 10:35.26 | Mr_Rabies | also what is T² D: |
| 10:37.57 | Workfoz | https://twitter.com/TSquaredgamr Lead Software Engineer, UI for WoW |
| 10:38.18 | Workfoz | (not sure if that reads as "Lead Software Engineer, also, UI" or "Lead Software Engineer *for* UI for WoW") |
| 10:38.44 | Workfoz | (also, http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/member.php?u=97287) |
| 10:38.56 | Kalroth | stalker! |
| 10:39.55 | Workfoz | totally. I even have a hat with his signature on it! :p |
| 10:40.44 | karl_w_w | http://www.twitch.tv/kdl_en korean casters are hilarous |
| 10:45.01 | Simca | plaaguuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 10:46.28 | karl_w_w | OOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 10:46.31 | karl_w_w | WOOOAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 10:46.34 | Mr_Rabies | holy hell he worked for the Naval Surface Warfare Center and DARPA |
| 10:46.35 | Mr_Rabies | D: |
| 10:46.50 | Mr_Rabies | then went to disney to design hair algorithms |
| 10:46.53 | Mr_Rabies | what a career |
| 10:55.31 | Simca | whenever I hear that name I have to think of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsquared |
| 10:56.28 | Semlar | tim "the tool man" taylor |
| 10:57.07 | Kalroth | his brother is just known as "the tool" |
| 11:10.13 | Workfoz | Simca: cheap imitator. :P |
| 11:14.53 | Fisker | I disagree Workfoz |
| 11:15.10 | Workfoz | you may |
| 11:15.39 | Kalroth | hey, how come he's allowed to disagree |
| 11:22.45 | Workfoz | the dice said so |
| 11:29.32 | Kalroth | your two-sided dice? |
| 11:29.53 | Maldivia | also called a coin? |
| 11:30.18 | Kalroth | a coin got three sides! |
| 11:30.34 | Kalroth | well actually it only has one side |
| 11:31.07 | Kalroth | http://jainismus.hubpages.com/hub/Every-Coin-Has-At-Least-Three-Sides |
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| 11:31.58 | Kalroth | that page is terrible |
| 11:32.00 | Kalroth | "We should consider all the sides of any thing, material or immaterial. This helps us to know every side of the thing and to find the truth. It helps us in our think process and broadens our views." |
| 11:36.54 | Maldivia | what about the inside? |
| 11:38.05 | Kalroth | that's only relevant for coins with a hole |
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| 12:48.25 | p3lim | is there a texture in the game files that would suit well for a square unitframe? |
| 12:48.34 | p3lim | glow for a square unitframe* |
| 12:56.15 | Stanzilla | white8x8 is good for everything :D |
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| 13:46.51 | Neffi_ | https://i.imgur.com/h0w4pLF.jpg dolla dolla bills yal.l |
| 13:55.00 | mikma | heh, nsfw... http://imgur.com/gallery/sqa17eZ |
| 13:55.11 | Kalroth | boobies? |
| 13:55.46 | mikma | nope, nsfw |
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| 14:08.03 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.13 | foxlit | "addons window" is probably interface options? |
| 14:08.42 | foxlit | (because if it was the addons list, "after it's enabled" would make no sense?) |
| 14:14.01 | Workfoz | "addons window" is probably the in-game addon list at the character selection screen. |
| 14:14.21 | Workfoz | even though "enabled" makes no sense? |
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| 14:14.22 | Workfoz | ;D |
| 14:14.26 | Workfoz | maybe he's on beta and means Blizz-ACP |
| 14:18.43 | foxlit | I feel like people on beta should mention that they're on beta. |
| 14:19.43 | Maldivia | [BetaTester] foxlit: wouldn't that become rather annoying quickly? |
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| 14:20.26 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.36 | Maldivia | :) |
| 14:23.08 | foxlit | Workfoz: I don't think you can disappear from that window that easily. |
| 14:24.25 | foxlit | When updating, you'd have to delete the old directory and fail to replace it with the new one, which seems hard to do. |
| 14:28.16 | foxlit | Although it could be beta-related. I flagged the last version as 5.4.8+6.0.1, which curse renders as 6.0.1; and it's somewhat not-obvious what you have to do to get it to actually run on 6.0.1. |
| 14:32.27 | karl_w_w | I would say just ignore the insane ramblings of that guy :P |
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| 15:20.12 | VIad | what happened yesterday with solidice? :) |
| 15:29.41 | Fisker | Stuff? |
| 15:30.08 | VIad | nice |
| 15:38.29 | karl_w_w | good news VIad |
| 15:38.33 | karl_w_w | all ice is solid |
| 15:38.35 | VIad | ! |
| 15:38.38 | VIad | great! |
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| 15:40.34 | VIad | karl_w_w: http://asset-c.soup.io/asset/6543/6002_ca41.gif |
| 15:40.47 | Sharparam | hm |
| 15:41.02 | Sharparam | was it safe to enable packaging again for Chocobo, i don't remember |
| 15:41.30 | VIad | it's not ethical putting animals in cages |
| 15:41.33 | Sharparam | Torhal: here? :P |
| 15:41.35 | Fisker | That's the oldest VIad |
| 15:41.47 | VIad | Fisker: old stuff are usually good stuff |
| 15:42.10 | Sharparam | would you be interested in this 3 month old milk i have for sale? |
| 15:42.17 | karl_w_w | wow VIad |
| 15:42.26 | karl_w_w | it's 2014 and that's a gif |
| 15:42.52 | VIad | well sadly webm gonna be replacing gif eventually, but yeah it's not that bad for a gif |
| 15:43.05 | Sharparam | "sadly"? |
| 15:43.35 | VIad | always a bit sad to see the good old stuff go away :p |
| 15:43.45 | Sharparam | webm is superior though |
| 15:43.52 | Sharparam | in every way :3 |
| 15:43.56 | VIad | how will they handle the sound issue? |
| 15:43.58 | VIad | gifs are soundless |
| 15:44.15 | Sharparam | what do you mean how will they handle sound issue |
| 15:44.16 | jleclanche | Use https://mediacru.sh :) |
| 15:45.10 | VIad | I just hope sites like imgur can push out webm files and flag it in the header or somewhere that it's a muted video - just in case someone uploaded something with really loud sound :P |
| 15:45.14 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nteDP62uWcw VIad |
| 15:45.15 | VIad | and, can webm loop perfectly? |
| 15:45.19 | Fisker | http://youtu.be/LrOIgxQ--Tc |
| 15:45.23 | Fisker | That's the good stuff |
| 15:45.38 | jleclanche | VIad: "loop perfectly"? why wouldnt they? |
| 15:46.01 | karl_w_w | they loop fine and sound is optional |
| 15:46.52 | VIad | the beauty of gif is being just animated, no sound |
| 15:47.05 | VIad | video and audio isn't quite the same :p |
| 15:47.09 | Fisker | I'll allow it karl_w_w |
| 15:47.29 | VIad | also to my experience looped music/video usually doesn't loop too well on browsers |
| 15:47.32 | VIad | or results vary |
| 15:48.34 | karl_w_w | proof VIad http://boards.4chan.org/b/thread/560937769/webm-why-not (some nsfw) |
| 15:48.41 | VIad | lol |
| 15:48.47 | jleclanche | how do twitch vods work? does twitch record everything? |
| 15:49.00 | Sharparam | > posts 4chan link and feels the need to tag nsfw |
| 15:49.21 | VIad | jleclanche: they buffer ~30 sec and stream out to users - it records depending on settings, usually you can make it record just one window |
| 15:49.34 | VIad | karl_w_w: webm works fine |
| 15:49.37 | VIad | webm is awesome |
| 15:49.38 | VIad | BUT |
| 15:49.57 | VIad | to replace gif you need to keep the gif feel |
| 15:50.02 | VIad | otherwise you just replace gif with videos |
| 15:50.05 | VIad | not quite the same :P |
| 15:50.12 | Sharparam | disregarding how webm uses a fraction of the size gif does? |
| 15:50.17 | karl_w_w | why do you have to keep the gif feel |
| 15:50.32 | VIad | gifs is what makes gifs gifs, gifs it? |
| 15:50.34 | VIad | gifs |
| 15:50.54 | karl_w_w | yes, gifs being gifs is what makes them shit |
| 15:50.54 | VIad | seriously, the way gifs work is like a genre |
| 15:51.32 | karl_w_w | jleclanche, if the streamer has the setting on everything is saved in past broadcasts |
| 15:51.53 | karl_w_w | they can also choose highlights |
| 15:52.06 | jleclanche | can they both have highlights *and* full vods? |
| 15:52.06 | Sharparam | karl_w_w: not forever though, i think |
| 15:52.10 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 15:52.14 | jleclanche | cool |
| 15:53.41 | VIad | I dread to browse imgur and find a webm with sound designed to be a jumpscare :P |
| 15:54.13 | VIad | hope they by default mute the webms |
| 15:55.50 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: so Im asking because ive been building a video analysis tool for hearthstone videos |
| 15:56.31 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: the idea is statistics tracking from videos, looking at draws and plays |
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| 15:57.21 | VIad | jleclanche: you should take a look at http://hearthstats.net/ |
| 15:57.26 | jleclanche | I know about it. |
| 15:57.29 | VIad | :) |
| 15:57.37 | VIad | it's pretty good at reading images |
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| 16:50.28 | VIad | Semlar: hmm, how can I achieve something like this? http://pastebin.com/QitEkiVz |
| 16:50.50 | smcn | does the inn garrison building do anything yet? |
| 16:51.43 | VIad | found it Semlar |
| 16:51.48 | VIad | perspective rule :p |
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| 16:54.38 | karl_w_w | VIad, with | " - and _ |
| 16:54.45 | VIad | :3 |
| 17:04.45 | Sharparam | "I can now mog my axe into a polearm. This. Is. Awesome." <- friend's thought on beta |
| 17:05.12 | fewyn | For the anniversary celebration, max-level players will be able to participate in a special 40-player Raid Finder version to relive the experience of hunting down Ragnaros and his minions within his fiery lair. |
| 17:05.14 | fewyn | holy shit |
| 17:05.18 | Dagmar | I should see if I can mog my gun into some claws. |
| 17:05.23 | fewyn | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/15107686/gearing-up-to-celebrate-10-years-of-world-of-warcraft-8-6-2014 |
| 17:07.16 | nevcairiel | That sounds nice |
| 17:08.08 | Ressy | blog post isn't there. lol |
| 17:08.13 | Alram | aaaand its gone |
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| 17:08.39 | nevcairiel | I read it before it vanished! |
| 17:08.49 | Sharparam | someone put up an archived version? :P |
| 17:08.58 | Alram | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/330513-gearing-up-to-celebrate-10-years-of-world-of-warcraft/ |
| 17:11.41 | Dagmar | I like the Corgi Hound |
| 17:11.46 | fewyn | lol |
| 17:11.50 | fewyn | they have it all over twitter |
| 17:11.54 | fewyn | and they deleted the post |
| 17:12.39 | Sharparam | u dun goof'd blizz |
| 17:12.43 | Sharparam | we backtraced your posts |
| 17:17.07 | Alram | aand its back |
| 17:17.29 | nebula169 | damn a mount aaaand a pet this year |
| 17:18.11 | Kesava | .. team deathmatch bg, that's new isn't it? |
| 17:18.18 | kd3 | yes |
| 17:18.22 | Kesava | amazing. |
| 17:18.57 | Alram | its a fancy name for war games |
| 17:19.04 | nevcairiel | Just kills is interesting. So simple but we never had it before |
| 17:19.18 | Kesava | k d |
| 17:19.20 | Kesava | .. |
| 17:19.22 | Kesava | indeed* |
| 17:19.28 | Kesava | i am not sure how that typo happened |
| 17:19.37 | Sharparam | kd3 |
| 17:20.15 | kd3 | ya? |
| 17:20.30 | Sharparam | :P |
| 17:20.39 | Sharparam | kill/death ratio 3 |
| 17:21.25 | bluspacecow | hmm blog post back up |
| 17:21.30 | kd3 | nah, my handle was k_d before this, and something longer (I was ...10 when I first created a handle) before that |
| 17:27.06 | bluspacecow | sir poppy poopington the 19th ? |
| 17:27.30 | kd3 | nah, something that I was able to initalize to k_d |
| 17:32.59 | Gethe | the old honor system will be a mechanic in the new BG |
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| 17:38.21 | kd3 | ! |
| 17:38.34 | kd3 | DHKs? gah |
| 17:38.57 | fewyn | it's going to be so good |
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| 17:51.25 | kd3 | yay science: http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/08/after-10-years-rosetta-probe-catches-up-with-its-comet-destination/ |
| 18:02.08 | Alram | https://twitter.com/holinka/status/497072524211912704 |
| 18:02.10 | Alram | mother of god |
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| 18:22.38 | jleclanche | Alram: whats this? |
| 18:22.47 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Tarren_Mill_vs_Southshore |
| 18:22.51 | Alram | ^ |
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| 18:39.21 | g0urra | I wonder if you'll be able to queue as level 25 |
| 18:39.37 | g0urra | and get stomped by a level 90 |
| 18:39.57 | Ressy | < praying for an April fools in August |
| 18:40.17 | nevcairiel | You wish |
| 18:40.25 | nevcairiel | Sounds like a lot of fun events |
| 18:40.54 | kd3 | they said this is going to be the McRib of battlegrounds. it's going to be fun for a few weeks then we're all going to get sick of it again, so it'll go back in the vault for a few months |
| 18:46.01 | VIad | 100v100 sounds like lag |
| 18:46.02 | VIad | :P |
| 18:46.12 | kd3 | just like TM-SS |
| 18:46.29 | VIad | I love server lag! |
| 18:46.37 | karl_w_w | but I've never had a mcrib |
| 18:46.38 | VIad | so much shit going on the servers have to think really hard :D |
| 18:46.53 | Alram | the numbers are just as low as they were then |
| 18:47.00 | Alram | and they have better servers now |
| 18:47.03 | Alram | what could possibly go wrong |
| 18:47.21 | karl_w_w | people arent going to like tarren mill southshore very much, beyond nostalgia |
| 18:48.03 | karl_w_w | and horde will win every time cos half the alliance players will just be there to visit southshore |
| 18:48.30 | karl_w_w | cos you know, blizzard broke the real one cos favouritism |
| 18:50.24 | VIad | Alram: I just remember wintergrasp and the server lag when so many players were sieging shit :p |
| 18:50.34 | Alram | siege weapons are a different story |
| 18:50.41 | Alram | destructible buildings wasnt the best idea they had |
| 18:51.11 | VIad | shrug - in any case with the purge of spells and better hardware on both ends |
| 18:51.18 | VIad | maybe 100v100 will work fine when its players only :p |
| 18:51.26 | VIad | but I won't believe it before I see it! ;D |
| 18:53.21 | karl_w_w | wintergrasp was fine really |
| 18:53.36 | karl_w_w | if it werent for population imbalance |
| 18:53.45 | g0urra | and that they scrapped the planes |
| 18:54.27 | kd3 | flying combat never would have worked. malygos was all kinds of pain fighting in 3d space and vashj'ir was worse |
| 18:55.15 | karl_w_w | malygos was great |
| 18:55.23 | nevcairiel | I liked vashjir, and you usually didn't have to move in 3d space much, not more than you would even flying in your mount |
| 18:55.37 | karl_w_w | i loved that there was a mechanic i was really good at and ~nobody else was :P |
| 18:56.36 | karl_w_w | i think the problem with vashjir is it wasn't really 3D, it was just 2D with a few other levels to it sometimes |
| 18:57.19 | karl_w_w | probably because they have to lay it out like a normal zone because that's how all the map systems work |
| 19:11.20 | smcn | the thing i remember being a game changer in vashj'ir in beta was when they changed the target circles to be underneath the actual model, somehow that made it easier to judge distance between you and the target |
| 19:12.29 | smcn | also vashj'ir is faster than hyjal if you're rolling on a new server/faction and can't afford the fastest flying |
| 19:14.03 | Simca | who was it that wanted a color that represented hearthstone? |
| 19:14.58 | Maldivia | heheh |
| 19:15.52 | nebula169 | it's light purple in the bda |
| 19:16.13 | Simca | <Maldivia> Hearthstone: background_color changed from "#20162e" to "#281631" |
| 19:16.14 | Simca | have fun |
| 19:16.16 | nebula169 | well not light, but heros is harder |
| 19:16.20 | nebula169 | darker* |
| 19:27.51 | foxlit | Malygos is better than underwater combat. |
| 19:28.39 | foxlit | Or, rather, underwater navigation. Perspective is annoying: I typically misjudge distance to objects I want to pick up when they're not on the ocean floor. |
| 19:30.38 | foxlit | (prefer hyjal for levelling; the quest progression seems better, and there are fewer forced scripted events) |
| 19:31.54 | Simca | hyjal is definitely much faster and much better exp |
| 19:32.15 | Simca | plus you get revered rep with hyjal and can buy some free blues |
| 19:32.20 | Simca | well not free, but cheap |
| 19:32.21 | smcn | well yeah i only meant in that specific scenario (not having money for faster flying which i have only encountered once) |
| 19:32.59 | smcn | also i like the music in vashjir more than hyjal |
| 19:33.22 | smcn | too bad cata wasn't like wotlk where the best starting zone also had the best music (howling fjord) |
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| 19:49.23 | foxlit | how do the garrison building construction "cooldown" graphics work? |
| 19:49.47 | Stanzilla | magnets |
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| 19:50.12 | foxlit | (the thin circle that gradually gets filled in/reveals a texture radially?) |
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| 20:05.24 | zenzelezz | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/08/monkeys-selfie-at-center-of-copyright-brouhaha/ |
| 20:07.07 | Alram | wait |
| 20:07.10 | Alram | the ape took a selfie? |
| 20:07.17 | Alram | and people are discussing whose copyright it is? |
| 20:07.20 | Alram | what the heck |
| 20:09.46 | nebula169 | he wants royalities from the pics, wikimedia said yarite |
| 20:10.44 | TC-Work | I doubth this will hold up in court for wiki. |
| 20:10.50 | TC-Work | doubt* |
| 20:11.04 | nebula169 | if i took someone's camera and took a bunch of pictures, it wouldn't be their work just because it wasn't my camera /shrug |
| 20:11.39 | foxlit | unless you're a monkey, that is only mildly relevant. |
| 20:15.43 | Simca | the problem is that it is his film/digital storage space |
| 20:16.06 | Gnarfoz | that is not what imparts the copyright claim, though ;p |
| 20:16.32 | TC-Work | nebula169: If you did it without the owners permision? I think it would. |
| 20:16.45 | Gnarfoz | the artist gets the copyright |
| 20:17.17 | Gnarfoz | (and laws probably assume the artist is human, so... claiming the ape selfie to be public domain seems sane?) |
| 20:17.23 | nebula169 | doesn't mean he needs to give me the final product, but he can't call it his |
| 20:17.45 | nebula169 | well. shouldn't, because that would be mean |
| 20:18.05 | Simca | the question is really 'how far does copyright extend if the artist's medium is stolen' |
| 20:18.17 | TC-Work | But the ape is not human so it would default to the same thing as an automated shutter. |
| 20:18.35 | TC-Work | Or rather it should if this was a resonable place. |
| 20:18.39 | nebula169 | i mean if he framed the shot and set up everything sure |
| 20:18.46 | TC-Work | reasonable* |
| 20:18.50 | TC-Work | He did. |
| 20:18.51 | nebula169 | just sounds like the ape grabbed his camera and went to town |
| 20:18.53 | nebula169 | oh |
| 20:18.59 | nebula169 | well then fuck that, it's his |
| 20:19.03 | Simca | He says both things |
| 20:19.10 | TC-Work | He was trying to shoot something else, but it was 'set up' |
| 20:19.20 | TC-Work | the ape walked over and just started hitting the button |
| 20:19.24 | Simca | he says he set it up and then he says the ape stole it and took hundreds of pictures, most of them out of focus |
| 20:19.24 | nebula169 | its not like photographers don't have someone else operate the camera at shoots |
| 20:19.34 | nebula169 | ah |
| 20:20.00 | TC-Work | Personally I think theft should invalidate everything, but I seem to be the silly voice of reason. |
| 20:20.35 | TC-Work | Rather, knowingly stolen. |
| 20:21.17 | Gnarfoz | how's that different from theft? ;c |
| 20:21.45 | Gnarfoz | at least you can reassign your copyrights! |
| 20:21.47 | TC-Work | There are many times when it is theft, but it is unkowning. |
| 20:22.56 | TC-Work | It comes down to the question of does the court find that copyright applies to non-humans. If it does, then it is moot because the ape owns the copyright and good luck getting the ok. |
| 20:23.18 | TC-Work | If no, then it would most likely default back to the owner of the equipment. |
| 20:23.50 | Gnarfoz | theft = "the action or crime of stealing" btw |
| 20:23.56 | Gnarfoz | so... I don't see the distinction :D |
| 20:24.09 | Gnarfoz | unless you're saying it's some weird legal distinction |
| 20:26.12 | TC-Work | The same difference between voluntary and involuntary manslaughter. |
| 20:27.22 | Maldivia | ot to be confused with a man's laughter |
| 20:27.27 | Maldivia | not* |
| 20:29.03 | TC-Work | Let's say there is a pile of cameras on a table, all but one are free to use, there is nothing differentiating them. You take the one that is not free to use, by the strict definition you have stolen it. |
| 20:34.59 | Gnarfoz | I don't see another definition in the dictionary ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 20:41.26 | smcn | hmm beta patch |
| 20:41.30 | smcn | or not |
| 20:41.37 | Simca | blob update |
| 20:41.56 | karl_w_w | ok so my computer has hung |
| 20:42.09 | karl_w_w | as a result of me quitting hearthstone |
| 20:42.13 | smcn | you're a blob |
| 20:43.14 | karl_w_w | ctrl-alt-del works, choosing task manager does nothing |
| 20:43.44 | karl_w_w | alt tab works but my taskbar doesnt |
| 20:44.39 | karl_w_w | aaand we're back |
| 20:45.12 | karl_w_w | ish |
| 20:46.35 | karl_w_w | except now alt tab is the only thing not working, and something called remote procedure call is using 30% of my cpu |
| 20:46.46 | nevcairiel | Reboot tine |
| 20:46.50 | nevcairiel | Time |
| 20:47.04 | Gnarfoz | your hdd is dying~ |
| 20:47.47 | karl_w_w | my hdd is weeks old |
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| 20:50.30 | kd3 | huh. 25-player naxx still requires an MC for raz. I'm not a good enough mage to absorb those kinds of hits |
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| 20:50.57 | foxlit | squishy robes are squishy. |
| 20:51.06 | foxlit | real bears tank with face. |
| 20:51.47 | nevcairiel | Complain on the forums, they changed such things before |
| 20:51.52 | foxlit | I don't have icons for the new world markers; there are only five quiraji mount colors :( |
| 20:52.43 | nevcairiel | 10m has a MC orb doesn't it. Maybe they'll enable it for 25 |
| 20:52.58 | kd3 | yah |
| 20:53.01 | nevcairiel | Not that this will help soloing much |
| 20:53.05 | kd3 | not really |
| 20:53.20 | kd3 | I expect it'll be easier in warlords either way |
| 20:54.45 | karl_w_w | so when does this wow 10th anniversary stuff actually happen |
| 20:55.01 | nevcairiel | When was the anniversary the other years |
| 20:55.20 | karl_w_w | some time between september and january |
| 20:55.35 | karl_w_w | s/january/december/ |
| 20:55.36 | nevcairiel | I thought it was November, but that would be too late |
| 20:55.56 | nevcairiel | Unless they unlock the content before the anniversary |
| 20:56.36 | karl_w_w | i like how blizzard never actually tells us when the anniversary is |
| 20:56.51 | karl_w_w | as if we care as much about wow as they do |
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| 20:57.09 | karl_w_w | I have enough trouble remembering my own birthday! :P |
| 20:57.38 | kd3|hate`net | ...wow. disconnected about 20 seconds into the heigan fight. log back in and I'm still alive |
| 20:59.03 | Sharparam | anniversary was november last year, got achiev on 2013-11-18 |
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| 21:09.42 | Gethe | when using the Blizz Equip manager, is there any way to know what set an item belongs to? (aside from tooltip scraping) |
| 21:10.33 | alestane | Before I go asking total strangers, anyone have a clue how to troubleshoot a MySQL replication setup? |
| 21:11.39 | foxlit | Gethe: GetContainerItemEquipmentSetInfo |
| 21:12.17 | Gethe | ah cool |
| 21:13.55 | foxlit | (but you get to figure out how that works on your own) |
| 21:14.15 | TC-Work | alestane: Look at the logs. :p |
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| 21:16.00 | alestane | Apparently it's a permissions issue. |
| 21:16.09 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxi7xTOECxM that last clip |
| 21:16.35 | Kraps | http://i.imgur.com/suKbTnZ.jpg |
| 21:24.20 | alestane | TC-Work, turns out I was slaved to the wrong MySQL instance. We'll see how it goes now. |
| 21:26.56 | Semlar | are "$screen" and "$cursor" actual valid anchors, because you don't appear to be able to use them in SetPoint |
| 21:27.41 | Semlar | but they're mentioned in iriel's secure headers guide |
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| 21:33.50 | foxlit | No, they're not actual valid anchors. |
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| 21:34.39 | Neffi | I always forget to backup Quassel settings D: Anyone have a good color configuration I can steal? |
| 21:34.42 | foxlit | just tokens to trigger alternate code paths through the SetPoint wrapper. |
| 21:35.30 | Neffi | Semlar: Compy's all set up with my new SSD. Windows starts up damn fast, which should save me like 60 seconds per 6 months! |
| 21:35.59 | Semlar | chompy |
| 21:36.18 | zenzelezz | one side effect of SSDs is that loading screen tips are entirely useless |
| 21:36.31 | Neffi | but they're kinda useless anyway |
| 21:36.43 | zenzelezz | usually, yeah... but now I will never know |
| 21:36.48 | Neffi | Still waiting for WoW to install to get an idea of how fast the loading screens go. |
| 21:41.12 | TC-Work | alestane: Any better? |
| 21:49.12 | pompy | Neffi: which SSD? |
| 21:50.10 | TC-Work | I think he said the 840 |
| 21:50.28 | kd3|hate`net | oh wow twitch. muting in-game audio on a service meant to stream games? |
| 21:53.20 | Neffi | pompy: Samsung 840 EVO |
| 21:54.21 | smcn | kd3: didn't you read the first sentence? it's for *your* benefit! http://blog.twitch.tv/2014/08/3136/ |
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| 22:00.39 | Maldivia | kd3: sorry, your VODs od Guitar Hero will no longer play any sound :) |
| 22:01.23 | Gnarfoz | they got the best thing Google had to offer: Content ID :D |
| 22:02.51 | Gnarfoz | that AMA is going to be legendary |
| 22:03.09 | Simca | Content ID is reasonable but implemented badly |
| 22:03.17 | kd3 | if by legendary in that the twitch devs will respond to a softball post or two and then say 'bye!', sure |
| 22:03.45 | Simca | the wording on the ContentID controls for YT as a rights manager are so ridiculous |
| 22:04.05 | Simca | When a claim comes up that is better than yours, it tells you "You should possibly consider releasing" yours |
| 22:04.12 | Simca | -should possibly consider-, really |
| 22:04.40 | Simca | no wonder so many companies are dicks about it, since the controls suggest they should be |
| 22:04.42 | smcn | kd3: even if they respond to hardball questions it'll be nothing the masses will want to hear. it's lose/lose for them |
| 22:06.02 | Gnarfoz | kd3: legendary in the amount of hate posts that are going to be there ;) |
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| 22:15.16 | TC-Work | "Rhymes:English:-ÊÅkÊÉn" Riiiiiiight... |
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| 22:31.00 | TC-Work | It's amazing how offering sport and luxury on cars seems to be mutually exclusive. |
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| 22:48.34 | pompy | http://fortune.com/2014/08/06/tesla-says-it-has-resolved-a-chinese-trademark-dispute/?xid=ob_rss |
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| 23:45.09 | Kesava | i'm pretty sure they won't have applied the mute to the actual files retroactively |
| 23:45.24 | Kesava | that's what it sounds like in the announcement so um. it seems pretty easy to avoid |
| 23:45.32 | Kesava | perhaps they will in future mute the files directly. |
| 23:46.43 | Gnarfoz | they're deleting the old VoD's anyway. |
| 23:46.48 | Gnarfoz | so no point in doing that |
| 23:47.16 | Kesava | oh yeah. |
| 23:47.23 | Kesava | two terrible things in one day |
| 23:47.25 | Kesava | yay google. |
| 23:47.34 | kd3|hate`net | oh gods not again https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140806.txt |
| 23:49.05 | Stanzilla | yup |
| 23:50.30 | Gnarfoz | the VoD deletion was announced a long while ago if I don't misremember. |
| 23:50.37 | kd3 | 12 hours ago? |
| 23:50.42 | Gnarfoz | months. |
| 23:50.46 | Gnarfoz | they just sent a reminder now and set a date |
| 23:50.59 | Gnarfoz | or something~ |
| 23:51.17 | Gnarfoz | I distinctly remember twitch+vod-something being a topic a while back ^^ |
| 23:51.40 | Gnarfoz | might not have been precisely this, but was already related to "hm, we noticed storing all this stuff costs money in the end!" |
| 23:54.04 | Gnarfoz | kd3: nothing in there seems critical to actual people? :D |
| 23:54.34 | kd3 | probably, but just that that's my gut reaction now says something |
| 23:55.46 | Gnarfoz | "Note: the online version of the advisory may be updated with additional |
| 23:55.46 | Gnarfoz | details over time." - compared to... what other version? copies sent to people's mailboxes? :F |
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