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| 00:36.21 | Kraps | kd3: they grow up so fast |
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| 00:40.33 | Neffi_ | kd3: Is he referring to when a developer's (or CM's?) <something inside his computer> exploded? |
| 00:41.00 | kd3 | no, the ConEd power station serving irvine blew up two fridays ago |
| 00:41.36 | Neffi_ | oh fuck <_< |
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| 01:59.51 | kd3 | the new build's on the launcher... ~2.5GB, it says |
| 02:00.47 | smcn | "Realms are coming up." http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13681508475?page=14#279 |
| 02:02.50 | smcn | woo |
| 02:02.54 | smcn | textures!!! |
| 02:03.12 | smcn | whoa and i have 6 available garrison missions |
| 02:09.53 | TC-Work | Is list comprehension supposed to be intuitive, because it damn sure doesn't seem like it. |
| 02:17.46 | MysticalOS | yeah 2.5 is a lie. i wish they'd fix CASC bugs |
| 02:17.49 | MysticalOS | it's miserable. |
| 02:18.08 | MysticalOS | mis reports download size, mis reports download speed. ignores download throttle. requires significant cpu (maxes out 2 cores). |
| 02:18.24 | MysticalOS | but apparently stable enough to be pushing 6.0 background download soon,:) |
| 02:18.25 | kd3 | oh so that's not just a wine thing |
| 02:18.37 | MysticalOS | no, agent doesn't properly support casc yet |
| 02:18.51 | kd3 | not the download size bit, the pegging cores bit |
| 02:19.07 | MysticalOS | the download size issues are because it calculates size of download and speed of download off data size after download |
| 02:19.41 | MysticalOS | nah that's a general issue. it has to use a lot of cpu to map out data. every single install is different |
| 02:20.02 | MysticalOS | it has to calculate and assemble data and build indexes that map out how your install even works |
| 02:20.29 | MysticalOS | also, fyi if you ever delete an index or it gets corrupt, your ENTIRE INSTALL is garbage. data unreadable |
| 02:20.57 | MysticalOS | you could download the game on same machine 3 times and data files won't match on any of them :) |
| 02:21.12 | Gethe | HillsbradFoothillsBG1.blp interesting... |
| 02:21.27 | kd3 | o_O |
| 02:21.35 | MysticalOS | HillsbradFoothillsBG1.blp is just a green texture, don't owrry |
| 02:21.37 | MysticalOS | :) |
| 02:21.42 | Gethe | oh ok |
| 02:21.58 | MysticalOS | lol i'm trolling. at the texture bug. i actually don't know what HillsbradFoothillsBG1.blp is |
| 02:22.19 | Gethe | aww and i fell right into it >.> |
| 02:22.59 | kd3 | is it just the one, or are there files with 2-12 on the end? |
| 02:23.20 | Gethe | yes 1-12 inclusive |
| 02:24.12 | kd3 | well, it's a map, then. I don't have the patch done yet ("2.21" GB left), could you extract them and post the zip of that folder somewhere? I'll compose the map |
| 02:24.24 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.55 | smcn | huh, my innkeeper's daughter disappeared |
| 02:25.24 | Gethe | ill have it up on my github |
| 02:25.26 | kd3 | one of the item devs said on twitter that it's out of the toybox. I doubt you'll get it back on beta, though |
| 02:27.12 | MysticalOS | https://github.com/tomrus88/BlizzardInterfaceCode/commit/a45999eff363959bd7623e8969f8702fef844120 |
| 02:28.02 | MysticalOS | you subtrack the boring garrison stuff. and it looks like they added a confirm to deleting macros and upped world raid flares from 5 to 8 |
| 02:30.14 | Stanzilla | green textures fixed? yay |
| 02:30.53 | Stanzilla | finally no more eye cancer |
| 02:30.56 | MysticalOS | are they fixed? |
| 02:31.00 | MysticalOS | i don't see any indication of that |
| 02:31.01 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 02:31.15 | MysticalOS | are servers up already? |
| 02:31.18 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 02:31.39 | MysticalOS | guess I don't have to release patch for green textures after all |
| 02:31.49 | MysticalOS | there was a way to fix it in previous builds |
| 02:31.59 | Stanzilla | I know |
| 02:32.07 | MysticalOS | i was getting impatient with blizzard and thinking of just including patch with DBM, since radar was pretty fucked up without it |
| 02:32.39 | MysticalOS | "CONFIRM_RESET_KEYBINDINGS = "Do you want to reset all keybindings to their defaults?";" |
| 02:32.47 | MysticalOS | i can't imagine a good reason to EVER do that |
| 02:33.49 | TC-Work | If it's fubar. |
| 02:34.15 | Stanzilla | cooldown frame has a new design |
| 02:35.25 | MysticalOS | lol |
| 02:35.27 | MysticalOS | "local is32BitFail = false" |
| 02:35.34 | MysticalOS | i agree with this |
| 02:35.49 | MysticalOS | if(self.validity[cvar_name][cvar_value] == VR_WINDOWS_32BIT) then |
| 02:35.49 | MysticalOS | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.23 | MysticalOS | if only this included a static popup too that said "WTF are you doing on a 32 bit OS in 2014?" |
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| 02:44.25 | Kesava | .. |
| 02:44.32 | Kesava | everything is being tracked on the minimap |
| 02:44.38 | Kesava | many dots |
| 02:44.43 | Mr_Rabies | handle them |
| 02:48.05 | TC-Work | That's whelps you ignant heathen. |
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| 02:49.40 | Kesava | -60 dkp |
| 02:50.15 | Wobin | twenty years from now, we'll still be talking about how CAT IS FOR FITE |
| 02:50.48 | TC-Work | I won't, because I have no idea what you are talking about. |
| 02:50.59 | Shirik | sigh |
| 02:51.14 | Shirik | ~lart TC-Work |
| 02:51.14 | purl | takes a big bite out of TC-Work's jugular vein |
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| 02:51.48 | Shirik | does this help at all? http://tcgbrowser.com/#!/cardid=1277 |
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| 02:52.49 | TC-Work | Shirik: Nope. |
| 02:53.37 | TC-Work | I mean I can read the text but I sispect they reflect something else. |
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| 02:55.11 | TC-Work | suspect* |
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| 02:57.06 | Simca__ | random question - i need a model to rotate every 0.05 seconds or so but I need it to be independent of frame rate |
| 02:57.09 | Simca__ | is there a way to do that? |
| 02:59.16 | Neffi_ | TC-Work: http://wowpedia.org/Alamo |
| 02:59.24 | Neffi_ | cat durid is 4 fite |
| 03:00.01 | Neffi_ | Simca: OnUpdate specifies the amount of time since the last OnUpdate cycle. Use that |
| 03:00.07 | p3lim | just me or is the chat frame a bit buggy in the new build |
| 03:00.38 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:01.15 | p3lim | when I did a print on PLAYER_LOGIN, it wouldn't show up until I changed tabs back and forth |
| 03:01.22 | p3lim | but only on login |
| 03:01.33 | Semlar | was it a huge block of text |
| 03:01.34 | p3lim | need to investigate, my whole chat addon got broken too |
| 03:01.36 | p3lim | no |
| 03:01.58 | Semlar | because a large message in the chat will basically break it |
| 03:02.26 | p3lim | it was just 'login' |
| 03:02.49 | Semlar | there wasn't any other text in the chat that would have interfered with it |
| 03:03.20 | p3lim | disabled my chat addon, seems to work fine now |
| 03:03.32 | p3lim | wonder what they changed |
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| 03:04.05 | Semlar | well, i don't see a welcome message so if the chat addon is waiting for that it might cause problems |
| 03:06.02 | Gethe | texture diff https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-textures/commit/deebc8f465d56d1b71a92526321641d3090c674f |
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| 03:08.09 | Semlar | aw, they replaced the flightmap |
| 03:08.33 | Semlar | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Gethe/wow-ui-textures/deebc8f465d56d1b71a92526321641d3090c674f/MINIMAP/OBJECTICONS.PNG NEW BLIPS |
| 03:08.49 | Semlar | i have no idea what these are |
| 03:09.56 | Semlar | they look like jelly-filled headstones |
| 03:10.08 | fewyn | ogre waygates |
| 03:10.13 | fewyn | i assume |
| 03:10.15 | Gethe | my guess is portals |
| 03:10.25 | fewyn | or portals |
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| 03:11.25 | Semlar | what like instance portals? |
| 03:11.42 | Gethe | yeah |
| 03:11.54 | Gethe | dungeons/raids |
| 03:12.10 | kd3|hate`net | which would work... raid/pvp/dungeon, respectively |
| 03:12.12 | p3lim | fits the colors |
| 03:12.38 | Semlar | these are going to be pretty tiny on the actual minimap |
| 03:13.26 | Semlar | they're like half the size of the other icons |
| 03:13.58 | p3lim | what is the left-most two icons on the vignette row? |
| 03:14.06 | p3lim | looks like a pylon |
| 03:14.14 | kd3 | mantid sonic towers |
| 03:14.15 | Semlar | i don't know |
| 03:14.15 | Kesava | gnawface is fixed. and is now incredibly easy. yay. |
| 03:14.19 | Kesava | (ot) |
| 03:14.25 | p3lim | ah ok |
| 03:14.25 | kd3 | and old version of that texture sheet: http://wowpedia.org/Template:Zone_Map_Note#Minimap_blips |
| 03:14.30 | kd3 | s/and/an/ |
| 03:14.31 | Gethe | that one scenario |
| 03:14.45 | kd3 | here's the composed map: http://wowpedia.org/File:WorldMap-HillsbradFoothillsBG.jpg |
| 03:15.01 | p3lim | kd3: it's on the mmo-c front page too |
| 03:15.53 | Simca | kd3 i have stormshield and warspear maps lying around if you need/want them |
| 03:16.09 | kd3 | nah, I've got 'em. thanks |
| 03:16.13 | Simca | k |
| 03:16.35 | Semlar | kd3 http://wowpedia.org/File:Iconsmall-obj30.png?version=ff1749cc1e89c3785ea24ec7971806f1 this thing has a ? for a label, it's the background for the targeted unit on your minimap |
| 03:16.38 | Simca | also quest/item/npc data should be synced from servers on new build to wowdb in a moment |
| 03:17.18 | kd3 | thanks semlar |
| 03:17.41 | Semlar | it basically just shows up under the other blip so you never see the whole thing |
| 03:18.52 | Semlar | also, i've never seen these "epic" versions of the vignette icons in the actual game |
| 03:18.58 | Semlar | are they ever used anywhere? |
| 03:19.05 | kd3 | they were used on timeless isle for early ptr builds |
| 03:19.37 | kd3 | only the rare elite mob one, iirc. they phased them all out before 5.4 went live |
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| 03:20.05 | Semlar | interesting |
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| 03:21.49 | kd3 | when I composed this map, they were still in use: http://wowpedia.org/Timeless_Isle#Endless_events |
| 03:23.10 | Semlar | it looks like they were used for the unique rares and the mini rares had the regular icon |
| 03:24.20 | Semlar | common rares? |
| 03:24.26 | kd3 | the non-elite rares |
| 03:25.05 | Simca | http://beta.wowdb.com/quests/36808-disrupt-the-shadow-council jeeze |
| 03:25.20 | Simca | quest addons going to be screwed for that |
| 03:26.24 | p3lim | how so? |
| 03:26.47 | Simca | there are 15 objectives |
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| 03:27.10 | kd3 | I was amused by one quest in smv that had not quite that many... http://wowpedia.org/Quest:Gloomshade_Grove |
| 03:27.27 | Semlar | the only requirement it puts in the tooltip is "Shadow Council Assaulted" |
| 03:31.27 | Simca | they also added a bunch of ogre waypoint quests too |
| 03:31.39 | Simca | appear to just be phasing/tracking quests |
| 03:31.49 | Simca | still, I guess it's some new alternate form of transport? |
| 03:32.05 | kd3 | tracking quests, you say? https://github.com/kaydeethree/wow-vignettes |
| 03:32.40 | Simca | haha I wrote an addon like that for the PTR for 5.4 for treasure chests |
| 03:33.51 | Stanzilla | 1x [string "Tanaan Jungle Intro - Bleeding Hollow - Kil..."]:9: attempt to index global 'kilrogg' (a nil value) |
| 03:33.52 | Stanzilla | lol |
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| 03:39.47 | Semlar | uhh, what appear to be enemy player tracking blips are briefly popping up on my minimap every once in a while |
| 03:40.23 | Semlar | i should probably disable my addon |
| 03:41.12 | Neffi_ | Semlar: wod beta? |
| 03:41.24 | Semlar | yeah |
| 03:42.36 | p3lim | found the culprit in my chat addon btw, I disable the combatlog by nulling CombatLog_LoadUI() |
| 03:42.42 | p3lim | gotta find a new way of doing that then |
| 03:43.32 | Semlar | you can't just go around replacing functions! |
| 03:44.10 | Neffi_ | p3lim: ChatFrame2:UnregisterAllEvents(); ChatFrame2:Hide() ? |
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| 03:44.22 | p3lim | I'm using the frame |
| 03:44.43 | p3lim | and you can't disable it that easy in any case |
| 03:45.08 | smcn | Semlar: i'm getting it too w/o any map addons, especially when first logging in |
| 03:45.20 | smcn | the tracking blips |
| 03:45.28 | Semlar | the blips seem to be freaking out and i can't tell if it's actually revealing real units or not |
| 03:45.57 | Semlar | possibly ghosts |
| 03:46.12 | Semlar | isn't the combat log an addon? can't you just unload it? |
| 03:46.13 | p3lim | instanced mobs perhaps |
| 03:46.27 | Semlar | i can't track anything, they shouldn't be showing up regardless |
| 03:47.17 | Semlar | can you do like DisableAddon('Blizzard_CombatLog') ? |
| 03:47.58 | Semlar | why is the O capitalized, that's just annoying |
| 03:48.04 | Semlar | DisableAddOn('Blizzard_CombatLog') |
| 03:48.29 | Semlar | oh god, that puts a giant error in your screen after you reload |
| 03:48.36 | p3lim | :D |
| 03:48.39 | p3lim | yeah I saw that one too |
| 03:49.27 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/URgN9BS.jpg |
| 03:49.41 | p3lim | and you have to manually enable it again or it won't go away |
| 03:50.02 | Semlar | well fine |
| 03:50.46 | p3lim | hm, have they disabled global channels? |
| 03:51.35 | kd3 | occasionally whenever I log in, it's like the chat settings got lost in transit - joined channels, window layout, everything got lost |
| 03:51.44 | kd3 | try `/join general`? |
| 03:52.07 | p3lim | ah ok |
| 03:52.08 | p3lim | thanks |
| 03:54.55 | Simca | <Semlar> why is the O capitalized, that's just annoying |
| 03:55.03 | Simca | this has been the official spelling for forever and ever |
| 03:55.21 | Simca | unfortunately for blizzard, nobody cares how they think it should be spelled |
| 03:55.29 | Arrowmaster | kd3, jleclanche: you ever use youtube-dl on vimeo? |
| 03:55.37 | kd3 | not I |
| 03:55.39 | Semlar | well, tell that to functions like SendAddonMessage |
| 03:55.50 | p3lim | zing |
| 03:55.59 | Simca | GetAddOnMetadata |
| 03:56.47 | Mr_Rabies | What O? |
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| 03:56.53 | Semlar | the big O |
| 03:56.53 | Mr_Rabies | i'm confused :( |
| 03:56.56 | Mr_Rabies | oh, AddOn |
| 03:56.59 | p3lim | AddOn vs Addon |
| 03:57.00 | Simca | Mr_Rabies: "Addon" vs "AddOn" |
| 03:57.01 | Semlar | BIG O BIG O BIG O |
| 03:57.06 | Mr_Rabies | IT'S SHOWTIME |
| 03:57.42 | Mr_Rabies | i know way too much weird trivia about Big O |
| 03:57.55 | smcn | this turret sequence in talaar is probably the lamest one yet |
| 03:58.19 | smcn | tanaan |
| 03:58.41 | Mr_Rabies | like, the opening is combining Ultra Seven and Flash Gordon to represent that it's combining Japanese and Western fiction |
| 03:59.30 | Semlar | big O has the greatest intro for anything ever |
| 04:00.13 | Semlar | http://youtu.be/s7_Od9CmTu0 |
| 04:02.43 | Arrowmaster | oh wow it looks like the issue im experiencing with youtube-dl was just reported and fixed 8 hours ago |
| 04:04.15 | Mr_Rabies | www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=7xWXVQE0lw4&video_start=9&audio=m9kCCLwEga8&audio_start=50 |
| 04:04.23 | Mr_Rabies | there you go, semlar, instant big o opening |
| 04:04.44 | Semlar | oops, looks like the "spawn UID" part of the GUID isn't very unique |
| 04:06.00 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/r495it9.jpg |
| 04:06.45 | Semlar | i thought i might be able to pick a unit out of the combat log with it but apparently not |
| 04:09.37 | Semlar | this also means i can't just plug an npc ID into a vignette's GUID to try and make a tooltip to get its name |
| 04:10.04 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: Yeah i have, why? |
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| 04:10.48 | Arrowmaster | i wanted to rip something and it wasnt working, found an 8 hour old bug report followed by a patch and pull request |
| 04:11.09 | Arrowmaster | seems to complicated to build on my own though for just ripping these 4 videos |
| 04:11.23 | jleclanche | O_o |
| 04:11.36 | jleclanche | youtube-dl is just a single-file script |
| 04:11.40 | jleclanche | you should be able to patch it easily |
| 04:11.54 | Arrowmaster | its fucking compiled to binary |
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| 04:16.58 | Arrowmaster | nvm i got it, i just edited my distro installed copy instead of the compiled binary from the primary site |
| 04:17.32 | jleclanche | its pure python here |
| 04:18.20 | Arrowmaster | http://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/download.html |
| 04:18.26 | Arrowmaster | the linux instructions give you a binary |
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| 04:20.48 | End | you can get through the binary using unzip |
| 04:21.54 | End | end@bioshock:~/tmp$ unzip -l youtube-dl |
| 04:21.57 | End | [...] 1381431 334 files |
| 04:22.10 | jleclanche | guessing its a python egg |
| 04:23.37 | End | it's missing the egg-info metadata, but it uses the same zipimporter an egg does |
| 04:25.06 | End | oh I guess it's just zipimport |
| 04:25.31 | Arrowmaster | well its sorted out and ive got http://vimeo.com/album/2610343 downloading now |
| 04:25.38 | End | oh zipimport is the module, zipimporter is the class name, I was right |
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| 04:32.07 | p3lim | any of you on the beta? need a group |
| 04:33.44 | Shirik | haste: I do not understand how such a simple game can bring about so much rage |
| 04:39.02 | Gethe | p3lim: im on. |
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| 04:43.56 | kd3 | holy crap the minimap blips |
| 04:44.24 | kd3 | I'm in stormwind and I can't see anything else |
| 04:48.29 | kd3 | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13681548519 |
| 04:50.21 | Stanzilla | those just disappeared for me |
| 04:50.27 | Stanzilla | took a while after initial load but yeah |
| 04:50.29 | Stanzilla | gone then |
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| 05:01.33 | End | kd3: yer a cat druid mage |
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| 05:05.36 | kd3 | heh, an op one. the tooltip was showing all kinds of bunnies |
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| 05:09.53 | kd3 | ooh, a random red-eye falcon 9 launch is about to go off: http://www.spacex.com/webcast/ |
| 05:09.58 | p3lim | oh, and for the whole thing with the combatlog, I just skipped ChatFrame2 for my setup and closed it with FCF_Close(ChatFrame2) |
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| 05:27.38 | Shirik | thwacks kd3 |
| 05:27.43 | Shirik | you made me watch that |
| 05:28.42 | tz | annoying, huh |
| 05:28.46 | tz | T-12, fuckers |
| 05:30.59 | kd3 | hey, not like I could predict the computer would call a halt at ~t-30 |
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| 06:09.11 | Shirik | every so often I think about applying to spacex |
| 06:09.20 | Shirik | they have a few positions that are perfect matches for me |
| 06:09.24 | Shirik | but I'm not sure I'm ready to move |
| 06:35.55 | haste | Shirik: it can be very frustrating :P |
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| 06:48.50 | karl_w_w | Fisker, you havent filled out your compendium team shuffle predictions, you have 11 minutes left :P |
| 06:50.09 | Kalroth | hurry fisker!! |
| 07:03.53 | p3lim | nice, they've fixed all the cooldown glitches |
| 07:12.02 | haste | Shirik: I have two guys who always tear down my work portal 2-4 times a day for example |
| 07:12.11 | haste | Shirik: it does get slightly frustrating after a while |
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| 07:32.24 | Shirik | haste: I had this huge field I was going to set up |
| 07:32.30 | Shirik | and I decided to go "I can wait an hour before finalizing it" |
| 07:32.40 | Shirik | and then some brat set up a little mini-field in the way |
| 07:32.44 | Shirik | and now I can't make the last link |
| 07:33.42 | Shirik | kd3|hate`net: if you're still watching, countdown restarted, expected launch at 4 AM EDT |
| 07:36.25 | haste | Shirik: flip the portal P: |
| 07:44.07 | Kalroth | i installed it yesterday, is there no public profile thingy? |
| 07:44.13 | Kalroth | like wow armory! |
| 07:49.09 | haste | for ingress? |
| 07:49.56 | Kalroth | yup |
| 07:50.28 | haste | there's none |
| 07:50.44 | haste | I'm working on a agent profile tracker thingy |
| 07:50.51 | haste | but mainly to graph badge progress |
| 07:51.46 | haste | miiight extend it to scrap profile directly from the mobile API at some point, but they change it so often :P |
| 07:51.51 | tlund | Shirik: what is this game you guys are talking about? |
| 07:51.58 | haste | Shirik: Ingress |
| 07:52.00 | haste | uhm |
| 07:52.02 | haste | tlund: ^ |
| 07:52.52 | haste | and they are fairly aggressive at banning people using the mobile API directly |
| 07:53.18 | Kalroth | ow |
| 07:53.50 | haste | and it changes quite often :P |
| 07:54.39 | Kalroth | tell them to use API versioning, so you don't have to change your code! |
| 07:54.55 | haste | they have API versioning |
| 07:55.19 | Kalroth | oh |
| 07:55.20 | haste | but you have to MITM the mobile client to scrap the API as well |
| 07:55.44 | haste | you also need to send the correct client version and build information |
| 07:55.50 | haste | and their JSON format is horrible :P |
| 08:08.22 | Shirik | it might be a security feature :D |
| 08:11.15 | haste | probably is :P |
| 08:11.31 | haste | right now I just OCR the agent profile screenshots |
| 08:21.21 | tlund | damnit, my nick was already taken :( |
| 08:21.43 | tlund | checked map of my local area, mostly green - so I went for blue team :) |
| 08:25.18 | haste | correct team! |
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| 08:28.24 | Kalroth | viva le resistance! |
| 08:43.38 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/Iqf9mjk.jpg |
| 08:43.42 | Mr_Rabies | there seems to be a porblem |
| 08:45.01 | Mr_Rabies | what does the little circular arrow button do on the char select screen in beta? |
| 08:45.04 | Mr_Rabies | (not my screenshot) |
| 08:45.30 | nevcairiel | i believe it allows re-ordering of the chars |
| 08:45.41 | nevcairiel | should be on live as well |
| 08:46.21 | p3lim | it's for recovering recently deleted characters |
| 08:46.34 | p3lim | the reordering stuff is to the left of the characters when you hover over them |
| 08:46.39 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 08:46.47 | nevcairiel | well then, there you have it! |
| 08:55.57 | Mr_Rabies | huh, neat |
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| 09:00.11 | p3lim | gah youtube playlists are still unusable |
| 09:00.19 | p3lim | been like this for over a year now :/ |
| 09:09.10 | zenzelezz | unusable how? |
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| 09:20.29 | p3lim | they never follow the set order |
| 09:24.17 | Mr_Rabies | make sure you don't have shuffle on |
| 09:24.23 | Mr_Rabies | because they do for me |
| 09:24.30 | p3lim | I never use shuffle |
| 09:24.44 | Mr_Rabies | toggle it a couple of times, maybe it's weirdly set but not displaying as on? |
| 09:24.55 | p3lim | already tried that |
| 09:25.16 | Mr_Rabies | weird, they play in order for me |
| 09:25.53 | p3lim | might be a thing with the watch later playlist |
| 09:25.57 | p3lim | which is the only playlist I use |
| 09:26.49 | Mr_Rabies | ah hmm |
| 09:29.56 | Mr_Rabies | https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRQGRBgN_Eno6hKuBDtqL9JBv5k5DRGd1 skip through this playlist a few times and see if it plays in order, there should be enough videos to see :p |
| 09:31.40 | p3lim | yeah it skips every other |
| 09:31.46 | p3lim | so, 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 etc |
| 09:31.53 | p3lim | at least it's consistent |
| 09:31.57 | Mr_Rabies | whaaaaaat |
| 09:32.04 | Mr_Rabies | that makes absolutely no sense |
| 09:32.14 | Mr_Rabies | try another browser and see? |
| 09:32.16 | p3lim | i've tried clearing cookies, other browser, other computer even |
| 09:32.23 | Mr_Rabies | other browser does it too? |
| 09:32.26 | p3lim | yup |
| 09:32.33 | Mr_Rabies | even if you're not signed in? |
| 09:32.35 | p3lim | I tried all this like a year ago |
| 09:32.36 | p3lim | ye |
| 09:32.40 | Mr_Rabies | what on the earth |
| 09:32.50 | Mr_Rabies | that sounds like your isp is doing something funny |
| 09:32.54 | p3lim | so I figured youtube was borked |
| 09:33.04 | Mr_Rabies | mine goes 1,2,3,4, etc |
| 09:33.07 | p3lim | my isp is neutral, so I doubt it |
| 09:34.52 | Mr_Rabies | that's totally weird |
| 09:35.10 | Mr_Rabies | you're not double clicking or something weird? any weird phantom clicks from your mouse? |
| 09:35.18 | Mr_Rabies | i doubt that'd do it but |
| 09:35.22 | p3lim | I'm not even clicking next, I let the playlist handle it |
| 09:35.24 | Mr_Rabies | literally nothing makes sense |
| 09:35.33 | karl_w_w | it goes in order for me as well |
| 09:35.34 | Mr_Rabies | but it does it when you click next, too |
| 09:36.07 | Mr_Rabies | does it try to load 2 after 1 then skip to loading 3 or just jump straight to 3? |
| 09:36.22 | p3lim | straight to 3 |
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| 10:09.19 | p3lim | does wowdb get their data straight from the mpq/idx files? |
| 10:09.39 | nevcairiel | probably, just like everyone else |
| 10:09.53 | p3lim | I thought wowhead was collecting from an addon |
| 10:10.19 | nevcairiel | afaik not the basics you can get from the game itself so easily |
| 10:10.41 | p3lim | alright |
| 10:11.01 | p3lim | i need to learn how to read those files one day |
| 10:11.35 | nevcairiel | there is plenty people that have figured this out already and published small libraries and tools to read them, just use those |
| 10:11.35 | Mr_Rabies | wowhead's addon is for stuff like drop chance, etc, as i understand it |
| 10:12.03 | Mr_Rabies | aren't they stored in .dbc files inside the archives or something? basically databases that a ton of stuff can get into? |
| 10:13.14 | Mr_Rabies | client side definitely doesn't have everything, and server side can take prescedence over client side on some stuff, for hotfixes, as i understand it |
| 10:13.42 | p3lim | nevcairiel: got a link to one of them? |
| 10:14.25 | Mr_Rabies | they're switching to new archives soon, as i understand it |
| 10:14.34 | Mr_Rabies | dunno if WoD beta has that yet or not, but yeah |
| 10:14.56 | nevcairiel | p3lim: ask jleclanche, he can probably hook you up with a recent version |
| 10:15.03 | Alram | WoD beta had the new archives from the start |
| 10:15.19 | Mr_Rabies | ah ok |
| 10:15.45 | Mr_Rabies | what's the new format called again? |
| 10:15.48 | Alram | casc |
| 10:15.49 | nevcairiel | casc |
| 10:15.51 | Alram | i think https://github.com/ladislav-zezula/CascLib is the most recent/featured library to interact with the files |
| 10:16.40 | Mr_Rabies | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/13645405/ |
| 10:17.01 | Alram | some of those features arent in yet |
| 10:17.05 | Alram | or truthful |
| 10:17.38 | Alram | patching is still not done in the way they initially wanted to do it |
| 10:17.47 | Alram | streaming is so much better though |
| 10:18.44 | Mr_Rabies | how's the real performance on beta versus live? |
| 10:18.55 | Mr_Rabies | i hear it's actually a lot nicer due to optimized spell effects, etc? |
| 10:18.58 | Mr_Rabies | especially in raids |
| 10:19.14 | p3lim | loading times are about the same |
| 10:19.22 | Mr_Rabies | WoD pretty much cut my fps in half |
| 10:19.23 | Alram | well the lookups are probably a bit faster |
| 10:19.28 | p3lim | although I'm still running the game on a spinning drive |
| 10:19.29 | Alram | it doesnt have to patch files on the go anymore |
| 10:19.51 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 10:19.52 | Mr_Rabies | MoP |
| 10:19.56 | Mr_Rabies | i can't brane |
| 10:19.58 | Mr_Rabies | it's too late |
| 10:20.01 | Mr_Rabies | i should be sleeping |
| 10:20.11 | Alram | WoD uses a different rendering method |
| 10:20.14 | nevcairiel | Mr_Rabies: the spell effect reduction is still in progress, last I heard, and then again the beta debug builds may be slower just because of how they are built |
| 10:20.25 | Alram | fps -might- be better |
| 10:20.27 | nevcairiel | so hard to draw final conclusions |
| 10:20.35 | Mr_Rabies | i'm still on a dx9 card |
| 10:20.40 | Alram | sadly the new rendering method also drops all useful anti aliasing options |
| 10:20.41 | Mr_Rabies | i should fix that but i'm poor :( |
| 10:21.02 | p3lim | got a 770 myself, I play a lot of fps games that require the extra power |
| 10:21.07 | nevcairiel | at least they added CMAA, it looks much better than FXAA |
| 10:21.11 | Kalroth | why can't poor people just buy some more money??? |
| 10:21.34 | Mr_Rabies | the only game i feel really -needs- something like a 770 that i've played to date is natural selection 2 |
| 10:21.35 | Mr_Rabies | that game |
| 10:21.42 | Mr_Rabies | apparently the whole engine was coded in lua? |
| 10:21.43 | nevcairiel | (and is much faster than high levels of MSAA at similar results) |
| 10:21.58 | Mr_Rabies | it literally runs at 20 fps on my system no matter what settings i change |
| 10:22.04 | Alram | an engine in lua? |
| 10:22.14 | Alram | sounds scary |
| 10:22.44 | Kalroth | just the logic |
| 10:22.51 | Kalroth | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Selection_2#Development |
| 10:22.55 | p3lim | lua is fine for scripting like addons or websites, but a game engine? .. |
| 10:23.13 | Mr_Rabies | ah |
| 10:23.25 | Mr_Rabies | it's really...really poorly optimized |
| 10:23.45 | Mr_Rabies | it runs worse than literally any game i've ever played by a massive order of magnitude |
| 10:23.48 | p3lim | I wonder what you'd get running a game like watchdogs |
| 10:23.58 | p3lim | I've heard titans have issues with that game |
| 10:24.01 | Mr_Rabies | i'm on a GTX 265 and i can play most games at an okayish framerate |
| 10:24.13 | Mr_Rabies | except really poorly optimized ones |
| 10:24.26 | Kalroth | watchdogs runs fine on my 290, but it's also just a console port |
| 10:24.28 | Mr_Rabies | like Dark Souls 1 |
| 10:24.36 | Mr_Rabies | DS2 i get 60 fps solid 100% of the time |
| 10:24.38 | p3lim | also a console port |
| 10:25.02 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 10:25.05 | Mr_Rabies | i'll say 95% of the time |
| 10:25.26 | Mr_Rabies | because some stuff definitely causes some insane stutter after playing for like 10 hours at a time |
| 10:25.29 | Mr_Rabies | with multiple invasions, etc |
| 10:25.43 | Kalroth | a lot of those engines leak over time |
| 10:25.52 | Kalroth | just look at fallout 3 series :) |
| 10:26.25 | Mr_Rabies | looking at bethesda for an example of doing things right is rarely a good idea |
| 10:26.42 | Kalroth | you have to patch the executable for large address aware to make it stable for more than a couple of hours |
| 10:26.43 | Mr_Rabies | not always, their games' moddability is literally the only selling point for me |
| 10:27.51 | Mr_Rabies | just can't get into the combat in TES games, and fallout is neat but i dunno |
| 10:28.00 | Mr_Rabies | the art design is blehhhhh |
| 10:28.11 | Mr_Rabies | everything's so dingy i can't really play it for long |
| 10:28.16 | Kalroth | yeah, just saying that from software (dark souls) were newbies on PCs when they released it |
| 10:28.28 | Mr_Rabies | well, not just that |
| 10:28.40 | Mr_Rabies | the game was literally out for like a year before pc development began |
| 10:28.51 | Mr_Rabies | so they didn't have a normal development process at all for it |
| 10:29.08 | Mr_Rabies | it was just released on pc because demand was so high |
| 10:30.59 | Mr_Rabies | so it was kind of a hasty port of the xbox version |
| 10:31.11 | Mr_Rabies | but DS2 feels a lot better |
| 10:32.00 | Mr_Rabies | so schmoot |
| 10:32.17 | Mr_Rabies | DS1 feels weird and floaty in comparison, even on xbox |
| 10:32.40 | Mr_Rabies | running dsfix just makes it feel floatier, pc wise |
| 10:33.07 | Mr_Rabies | it felt so tight and responsive back when i played it but it's nothing in comparison to 2 |
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| 11:26.10 | tlund | Shirik, haste: is there a good resouce that explains the game, other than the on-mobile-only tutorials? |
| 11:26.52 | Kalroth | the mobile tutorials are pretty good though, at least i thought so |
| 11:27.04 | tlund | Kalroth: yeah, but I can't watch that right now :) |
| 11:27.27 | Kalroth | but it's pretty simple, find a portal, hack it for phat lewt, attack it to try and take it over, put up resonators to keep it running |
| 11:27.39 | Kalroth | add epics for additional portal bonuseses |
| 11:27.46 | Kalroth | that's about where i'm at so far :P |
| 11:28.32 | tlund | Kalroth: what about thse fields that are created by linking portals? |
| 11:28.50 | tlund | and who adds new portals? |
| 11:29.24 | Kalroth | that's advanced stuff! |
| 11:29.27 | Kalroth | (i don't know) |
| 11:29.36 | Kalroth | http://ingressfieldguide.com/content/portals-linking |
| 11:29.58 | tlund | ah, thaat looks like the site i wanted :) |
| 11:30.02 | Kalroth | :P |
| 11:33.54 | haste | tlund: Try to hook up with someone in your community, so they can give you a quick guide and boost you |
| 11:35.29 | tlund | haste: yeah |
| 11:38.44 | Sharparam | are there any dev guilds on the beta yet? |
| 11:40.38 | sb | is there still a level cap on beta? |
| 11:41.06 | Sharparam | level cap? |
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| 11:42.52 | sb | yup, beta was limited to level 96 last time i checked |
| 11:43.49 | steino | There is no cap on beta |
| 11:43.59 | steino | You can level to 100 |
| 11:44.26 | Maldivia | there's a difference in levelling to 100, and making a premade 100 |
| 11:46.32 | nevcairiel | the leveling zones for the last step are still locked afaik, and as such you also cap at 96 |
| 11:47.49 | Sharparam | hard cap or soft cap? |
| 11:48.29 | nevcairiel | they may have removed the cap recently though, havent been paying too much attention |
| 11:48.47 | steino | They opened all the zones last week |
| 11:49.25 | steino | maybe even the week before |
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| 12:03.46 | karl_w_w | I can't trust people who use the word pie to refer to all pizzas |
| 12:10.13 | Trela | Same. |
| 12:10.39 | Simca | level cap has been gone for 2 weeks |
| 12:10.45 | Trela | <Person> We're going to have PIE! <Alexia> FUCK YEAH. *Gets to location.* ...THIS IS PIZZA. |
| 12:11.10 | Simca | Pizza is better than pie, so that's acceptable in that case |
| 12:11.26 | Simca | but I do agree it is a characteristic of an untrustworthy individual |
| 12:12.06 | p3lim | level cap was removed when they reset the characters about two weeks ago |
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| 12:36.49 | Torhal | Trela: Foof? |
| 12:38.19 | Trela | Torhal: I am sick. Yes? |
| 12:38.35 | Torhal | Ah, was wondering your state of being. |
| 12:38.42 | Torhal | I was answered before I asked. |
| 12:39.04 | Torhal | I wouldn't advise pie of any kind. |
| 12:40.14 | Trela | I had a light fever last night so it is not advised that I come in to work. |
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| 14:28.42 | Thunder_Child | I wonder why the reveal event is in LA instead of Irvine. |
| 14:39.41 | karl_w_w | holy fucking shit, heroic heigan is a total cunt |
| 14:40.27 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Probably to keep dimwits from protesting it |
| 14:40.49 | Dagmar | ...or they just got a better deal on the meeting space. |
| 14:43.09 | Thunder_Child | Protesting what? |
| 14:43.44 | Ressy | Thunder_Child: More room? |
| 14:44.07 | Thunder_Child | I feel like there are large theaters in irvine. |
| 14:44.32 | Thunder_Child | Well at least Primer should go, it might even be in walking distance for him. |
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| 16:01.39 | Stanzilla | Starting now, Gmail (and shortly, Calendar) will recognize addresses that contain accented or non-Latin characters. This means Gmail users can send emails to, and receive emails from, people who have these characters in their email addresses. |
| 16:01.41 | Stanzilla | wohoo |
| 16:03.04 | Fisker | :o |
| 16:03.33 | Arrowmaster | they couldnt before? |
| 16:03.53 | nevcairiel | who uses accented characters in their mail address anyway |
| 16:04.27 | Arrowmaster | its valid as long as its in quotes |
| 16:05.37 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: people with names that have them :D |
| 16:06.15 | nevcairiel | its going to break down with loads of crappy mail implementations aorund the world, so its wiser not to :p |
| 16:07.07 | Arrowmaster | everything should support it |
| 16:07.12 | Arrowmaster | im shocked gmail didnt till now |
| 16:07.54 | Arrowmaster | its been part of the standard for a very very long time |
| 16:08.05 | nevcairiel | your point being? |
| 16:08.29 | nevcairiel | something being in the standard doesnt mean anyone supports it properly :P |
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| 16:12.34 | g0urra | Fisker |
| 16:12.51 | Fisker | g0urra |
| 16:12.57 | g0urra | why don't you have the RIPD game |
| 16:13.12 | Fisker | Because it's shit? |
| 16:13.21 | g0urra | oh okay |
| 16:35.16 | Shirik | tlund: the mobile tutorials are pretty good, plus friends :) |
| 16:35.38 | tlund | Shirik: i have a portal i can hack from my balcony :) |
| 16:35.41 | Shirik | tlund: a field is created by 3 links. Just like a link is between two portals, a field is between 3 portals. |
| 16:35.44 | karl_w_w | g0urra, when's the last time there was a good movie tie-in game? spiderman 2? |
| 16:35.53 | Shirik | fields are what actually generate points |
| 16:36.02 | tlund | Shirik: yeah, that website explained it pretty good |
| 16:36.16 | Shirik | the big thing to note, though, is that fields can't cross each other |
| 16:36.41 | Shirik | so there's some strategy involved in how you set up your fields. For example, last night I was trying to set up a large field across town, and when I got to my final portal, it wouldn't let me |
| 16:36.59 | Shirik | after being confused for a bit, I realized the enemy faction set up a field that cuts right through my proposed one, which was blocking it |
| 16:37.08 | g0urra | I heard the scott pilgrim game was good, not sure when that was released |
| 16:37.45 | karl_w_w | ah yes that was apparently good |
| 16:38.30 | Shirik | since we resolved that issue, I am now going back to that portal and finishing that field after being so rudely interrupted :) |
| 16:38.32 | karl_w_w | enter the matrix as well, but that was before spiderman 2 |
| 16:38.49 | karl_w_w | but good tie-ins seem like 1 in a million |
| 16:38.53 | karl_w_w | goldeneye |
| 16:38.57 | g0urra | then there's blade runner and goldeneye |
| 16:39.26 | Shirik | omg goldeneye |
| 16:41.40 | VIad | what's your preference? (A) "local s=select(4,UnitBuff(...))" or (B) "local _,_,_,s=UnitBuff(...)" |
| 16:43.27 | VIad | 0 |
| 16:43.30 | VIad | ops :p |
| 16:46.17 | karl_w_w | select is slightly slower |
| 16:46.59 | karl_w_w | not enough to matter, but still, good habits and all that :P |
| 16:47.55 | karl_w_w | escape from butcher bay |
| 16:51.06 | smcn | where's beta realms? can't find any info on twitter/blue trackers |
| 16:51.34 | kd3|hate`net | in today's episode of "wtf... how?" I left the bnet app running all night to finish getting the build downloaded. expected my computer to go to sleep after the usual 30-min inactivity timeout, but it didn't. the mouse cursor got moved all the way across the screen, though |
| 16:51.48 | smcn | g-g-g-g-ghooooooosts |
| 16:52.10 | Semlar | http://solidice.com/downloads/world-of-warcraft?page=1 heh |
| 16:54.25 | Sharparam | good thing my addons aren't popular enough to be hosted against my will on other sites... i think |
| 16:54.49 | foxlit | doesn't matter, will still end up seventeen versions out of date on someone's github page. |
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| 17:08.28 | smcn | beta realms "should" be up for raid testing https://twitter.com/WatcherDev/status/496702615028125696 |
| 17:08.29 | Jamash | I guess the Dean Machine is back, this time with 100% more quantum mechanical bafflegab http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-07/31/nasa-validates-impossible-space-drive |
| 17:12.47 | Simca | saw that a few days ago and thought it was so much bullshit from the url that I didn't even bother to read it |
| 17:12.54 | Simca | sounds interesting though |
| 17:14.38 | Arrowmaster | they should just build Project Orion |
| 17:14.46 | Arrowmaster | it will work fine... |
| 17:15.13 | kd3 | nuking things in the upper atmosphere... sure, why not? we know what it did to hawaii |
| 17:15.39 | Arrowmaster | you arent supposed to use it while still in the atmosphere |
| 17:16.14 | Simca | kd3: what happened to hawaii? |
| 17:16.24 | Semlar | hawaii used to be next to alaska |
| 17:16.40 | Arrowmaster | the more you know... |
| 17:18.22 | kd3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime |
| 17:28.31 | Semlar | "heroic ko'ragh' is now available for testing in the highmaul raid" |
| 17:29.25 | Semlar | i wonder how my level 90 would do in a raid |
| 17:31.36 | kd3 | decently enough? they'll scale your stats up |
| 17:31.42 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: You have to use it in the atmosphere to get it into space in the first place. |
| 17:32.03 | Arrowmaster | only if you are building a SSTO |
| 17:36.15 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: You would need to put about a thousand tons of material into orbit in order to assemble it |
| 17:38.58 | Jamash | Unfortunately, our best chemical launch systems would take at least 30 launches to do that |
| 17:39.29 | Semlar | alright, i'm still seeing random minimap blips popping up on the beta |
| 17:39.30 | Jamash | then consider what happens when one of the rockets carrying lots and lots of nuclear bombs into orbit blows up |
| 17:42.00 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: i love how both noxious and amaz are trying to get thaddius at the same time |
| 17:42.19 | karl_w_w | i love nothing |
| 17:44.54 | Simca | kd3: the EMP to Hawaii was meh because 1970s - only electronics that were knocked out were TVs and streetlights and stuff mainly |
| 17:45.12 | Simca | but wow at the "The weaponeers became quite worried when three satellites in low earth orbit were disabled. These man-made radiation belts eventually crippled one-third of all satellites in low earth orbit. Seven satellites failed over the months following the test as radiation damaged their solar arrays or electronics, including the first commercial relay communication satellite, Telstar." |
| 17:49.15 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure the blips showing up on the minimap are from humanoid tracking |
| 17:49.40 | Semlar | i hooked the tooltip and the names only ever show up as Unknown |
| 17:50.53 | Semlar | actually that might depend on whether the unit type is cached |
| 17:52.00 | Semlar | i managed to get a couple names out of it http://i.imgur.com/lOkk9cK.jpg |
| 17:52.48 | Semlar | spiny terrapin is a critter so it isn't just humanoids |
| 17:58.35 | foxlit | So Draenor is [flyable]. Stabbing time? |
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| 18:02.49 | Semlar | does [flyable] return true if you don't have the skill to do it |
| 18:05.47 | Semlar | doesn't look like it |
| 18:06.47 | Jamash | I should eat breakfast |
| 18:07.15 | Jamash | this has been your stream-of-consciousness update, tune in next time for "where are my socks" |
| 18:08.13 | foxlit | Semlar: it should not. |
| 18:08.51 | Arrowmaster | this shit is confusing, trying to file for unemployment and its only searching for employers in the state but i worked in the state for a national company |
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| 19:13.45 | jleclanche | Fisker: http://thesproutlings.com/hearthstone/eyes.html |
| 19:14.50 | Fisker | :P |
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| 19:33.01 | Ackis | https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways |
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| 19:57.48 | Ackis | http://store.steampowered.com/app/315260/ Free on steam right now |
| 20:04.11 | Ressy | Anyone know who exactly to send the DMCA notices to? Westhost? |
| 20:04.44 | Stanzilla | Ressy: should probably tell Cairenn about what you just posted on twitter btw |
| 20:04.55 | Ackis | shh don't tell Cairenn |
| 20:05.02 | Ackis | never tell Cairenn |
| 20:05.08 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 20:05.22 | Fisker | Cairenn doesn't want to know |
| 20:05.26 | Stanzilla | in short: http://solidice.com/downloads/world-of-warcraft |
| 20:05.35 | Stanzilla | oqueue guy does his own addon hosting site now .D |
| 20:05.40 | Cairenn | yeah, saw the thread |
| 20:05.52 | Ackis | see that's why you don't tell Cairenn... she knows already |
| 20:05.55 | Ressy | lol |
| 20:06.02 | Stanzilla | me scusi |
| 20:06.05 | Ressy | maybe she knows where to send the DMCAs too? :D |
| 20:06.08 | Ackis | Cairenn is a sneaky spymistress persons |
| 20:06.50 | Ressy | They have 7 of the Ackis Recipe List addons up. |
| 20:11.09 | Cairenn | http://who.godaddy.com/whoisstd.aspx?domain=solidice.com&prog_id=GoDaddy&k=lnFPj3oFPNESiZpPh+TIvsLLyIvLQ5R5UBtPo9jQsMaF4i7NMDYXkXTsa+crY6bZ |
| 20:11.18 | zenzelezz | I despise programs that copy stuff to your clipboard without asking. Like Warthunder, copying a "refer a friend" link when I launched it |
| 20:11.35 | Maldivia | eew |
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| 20:13.13 | Semlar | hey he only lives 2 hours away |
| 20:14.13 | kd3 | bleh. raid testing is causing world server issues |
| 20:16.20 | Dagmar | You can say that again |
| 20:23.11 | smcn | bleh. raid testing is causing world server issues |
| 20:27.35 | Ressy | http://whois.domaintools.com/solidice.com |
| 20:27.48 | Ressy | Abuse info: http://whois.domaintools.com/98.158.176.22 |
| 20:28.55 | VIad | new addon stealing site? |
| 20:29.06 | Ressy | tiny from oqueue apparently? |
| 20:29.30 | VIad | oh... interesting! |
| 20:29.38 | VIad | I wouldn't expect this from a fellow wowui'er |
| 20:29.49 | Semlar | meh, it seems to be registered to his dad |
| 20:30.04 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.19 | VIad | or tiny lives in his parents basement |
| 20:30.32 | Seerah | I noticed that every addon I looked at on there has just "-" for the author name, except for his (say "tiny"). He also copied the license info field (I assume he's gotten all this stuff from Curse) and has some that specifically say "All Rights Reserved". Lastly, his updater program, icebox, says "Currently, icebox supports only addons created by Solid ICE. We will increase it's list shortly." |
| 20:30.54 | Semlar | its |
| 20:30.55 | smcn | #wordcrimes |
| 20:31.25 | Seerah | not sure if all the addons he's hosting there are available through their client and they're claiming ownership via that statement... |
| 20:32.49 | Seerah | ah, yep - looks like it: http://solidice.com/forums/346/topic/iceboxs-addon-span |
| 20:33.33 | Ressy | They also use those 1-use download tokens, so you can't directly link to the infringing .zip files |
| 20:33.34 | Seerah | or I am misunderstanding /shrug. Not gonna install it to find out |
| 20:34.18 | VIad | ironic that he would try to reduce hotlinking from his servers like that :P |
| 20:34.27 | Seerah | haha |
| 20:34.30 | Ressy | lol |
| 20:35.16 | Gethe | i dont see the point of all this if oQueue is going to be obsolete in Warlords |
| 20:35.40 | VIad | probably trying to generate traffic |
| 20:35.47 | VIad | I bet icebox is full of ads |
| 20:35.51 | Semlar | he's attempting to save his site |
| 20:35.53 | VIad | if not, will be :p |
| 20:36.08 | VIad | not so honorable attempt the way its handled |
| 20:36.35 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.04 | Semlar | found his facebooooooook |
| 20:37.07 | Torhal | Semlar: He's always spouting on the OForums during his "you're a troll, he's a troll" rants that he's an IT professional. |
| 20:38.47 | Semlar | oh i've seen his posts |
| 20:41.47 | Arrowmaster | oh whats this, a new hangouts update |
| 20:41.50 | VIad | I bet if this was EA they'd have the manpower to burn his servers down for plagiarism |
| 20:42.07 | VIad | or any other huge company out for blood |
| 20:42.20 | Arrowmaster | i could probably do it if i tried |
| 20:42.35 | Arrowmaster | people in here can be pretty resourceful |
| 20:42.55 | foxlit | it's the combination of resourceful and moron that's required. |
| 20:43.13 | foxlit | Please don't be one. |
| 20:43.20 | Arrowmaster | not many of those here which is why its not likely to happen |
| 20:44.39 | Semlar | to be fair, all it takes is one |
| 20:45.43 | TC-Work | My ears are burning. |
| 20:45.48 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 20:46.04 | VIad | wowmatrix has some of my addons :( |
| 20:46.08 | VIad | whai? |
| 20:46.17 | Mr_Rabies | <Semlar> and it looks like tiny really is 48, i wouldn't have figured that |
| 20:46.37 | Semlar | documented forever |
| 20:46.39 | VIad | I hate "opt out" such bullshit |
| 20:46.46 | Mr_Rabies | yup, he's a bit of a freeper, it seems, which totally explains his mindset when dealing with others |
| 20:51.29 | smcn | wow i haven't heard the word freeper since the 2008 elections |
| 20:51.47 | smcn | which is coincidentally around the time i stopped visiting fark |
| 20:52.00 | Mr_Rabies | i know, right |
| 20:52.11 | VIad | tbh each host provider or ISP (if one hosts themselves) should have a legal team to handle complaints. though it is an issue when it's in russia or china where they don't give a shit about the complaints coming in :P |
| 20:52.18 | Mr_Rabies | i didn't even realize freerepublic was even still a thing, but apparently it is and tiny's all about it |
| 20:52.42 | smcn | and that just reminded me about hillaryis44.org lol |
| 20:54.44 | Dagmar | Wow. It's like going to a scheisse site |
| 20:55.27 | Ressy | their host's abuse email is: abuse@uk2group.com |
| 20:56.18 | Dagmar | If I started emailing people about their stupid websites I'd never have time to sleep again |
| 20:56.44 | Semlar | looks like you can load textures on the beta now |
| 20:58.26 | smcn | yup |
| 20:59.52 | foxlit | http://www.townlong-yak.com/opie/release/plum1 << in unrelated news, the doomsday countdown is up to P now. |
| 21:00.06 | Torhal | Oh, man. I registered and made an "I didn't give you permission to host my stuff" message. He replied with "email me and I'll remove it. Oh, I also updated the original post." |
| 21:00.13 | Torhal | They're offering "compensation" for hosting. |
| 21:00.16 | Torhal | headdesks. |
| 21:00.17 | Torhal | http://solidice.com/forums/544/topic/site-upgrade?page=1 |
| 21:01.02 | Mr_Rabies | i'd just send dmca stuff to his host and prepare for the comedy when he inevitably lashes out |
| 21:01.12 | Torhal | Heh. |
| 21:01.14 | Ressy | same |
| 21:01.41 | Mr_Rabies | it's gonna happen; you'll probably get hardcode-blacklisted out of OQ |
| 21:01.49 | Mr_Rabies | but worth it |
| 21:01.56 | Ressy | Better me than the other ARL people. I don't use that addon |
| 21:02.26 | Mr_Rabies | i use openraid myself since tiny's insufferable |
| 21:02.27 | Ressy | Also, updated the DMCA notice if anyone's interested.. |
| 21:02.42 | Ressy | for the 1-time use download token nonsense |
| 21:05.40 | Ressy | Funny thing.. He also kept the License.txt file in the .zip, which explicitly states you can't rehost ARL. |
| 21:06.28 | Mr_Rabies | mannn, i miss the undermine journal :( |
| 21:07.38 | Gethe | i think TSM is positioning itself to replace TUJ |
| 21:07.54 | Semlar | is there supposed to be a new raid finder on the beta somewhere |
| 21:08.03 | Semlar | or is that not yet implemented |
| 21:08.48 | Semlar | oh wait |
| 21:08.49 | Mr_Rabies | but TSM is a UX nightmare, Gethe :( |
| 21:09.05 | Semlar | they added a "premade groups" thing on the dungeon window |
| 21:09.17 | Gethe | have you seen the new site? |
| 21:09.46 | Mr_Rabies | i've reinstalled it like 10 times, and every time i uninstall it after a few hours because it's just a quagmire |
| 21:09.55 | Gethe | https://www.tradeskillmaster.com/ |
| 21:10.42 | Gethe | but yeah the addon ui is not the best |
| 21:17.27 | Semlar | well this is interesting, the frame levels for my nameplates are spazzing out |
| 21:22.40 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/IsIkvdF.gif |
| 21:22.56 | Semlar | stahp |
| 21:23.23 | TC-Work | Spaz |
| 21:24.28 | Torhal | In case anyone else wants to chime in: http://solidice.com/forums/544/topic/site-upgrade?page=2 |
| 21:31.48 | Torhal | Ackis: Transferred ARL to myself for the time being. |
| 21:34.00 | Cairenn | ... "freely accessible" does not mean that anyone and everyone can host addons whether the author agrees or not |
| 21:34.19 | Cairenn | god people suck |
| 21:34.27 | Fisker | tackles Cairenn |
| 21:34.36 | Cairenn | falls over |
| 21:34.42 | Fisker | :( |
| 21:34.45 | Fisker | That was not my intent |
| 21:34.52 | Cairenn | hehehe |
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| 21:47.46 | Semlar | "there are thousands of addons. it'd be impracitcal to try and contact everyone" hahaha |
| 21:48.52 | Cairenn | Yeah |
| 21:49.32 | Cairenn | I linked to that thread in the one on our site, so folks that aren't in here know where to go to get in on the 'conversation'. |
| 21:53.08 | Cairenn | Torhal: got an emoticon for you to use: http://cdn.wow.mmoui.com//storage/cairennsmilies/mad.gif |
| 21:53.41 | Torhal | Ahahahaha |
| 21:53.41 | Cairenn | (amongst man others) |
| 21:53.46 | Cairenn | many* |
| 21:53.48 | Torhal | I guess you're keeping up with the "conversation"? |
| 21:53.54 | Cairenn | yeah ... |
| 21:54.17 | Torhal | Got a WildStar person in on it now. |
| 21:54.18 | Torhal | Hah |
| 21:54.22 | Cairenn | being deliberately obtuse, imo |
| 21:54.31 | Torhal | Yes, just as he always is on the WoW forums. |
| 21:54.40 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 21:57.26 | Torhal | Never go full retard. |
| 21:57.29 | Torhal | sighs. |
| 21:59.56 | Cairenn | He also completely missed where you said you host on more than just Curse |
| 22:00.22 | Torhal | Yeah :/ |
| 22:04.30 | Torhal | I pulled the Comcast card. |
| 22:06.15 | Gethe | i just read that and was like "oh shit!" |
| 22:07.39 | Torhal | Hahaha |
| 22:07.57 | Torhal | He took my stuff down, though. Even _NPCScan, which is GPL. |
| 22:08.56 | Cairenn | hahahahahhahaha |
| 22:09.04 | Cairenn | Comcast |
| 22:09.09 | Cairenn | hahahhaaha |
| 22:09.24 | Torhal | >.> |
| 22:09.32 | alestane | I haven't made the connection yet that reveals how this is hilarious, I'm afraid. |
| 22:10.40 | Torhal | alestane: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/07/comcast-memo-on-viral-cancelation-call-it-was-painful-to-listen-to/ |
| 22:10.40 | Cairenn | heh, you snagged the link quicker |
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| 22:10.43 | Torhal | TL;DR - someone spend a couple of hours simply trying to convince the rep that they _really_did_ just want their cable disconnected. |
| 22:10.46 | Torhal | spent* |
| 22:11.10 | Cairenn | "i'm not ignoring copyright. the works are intact and passed along as intended. restricting redistribution would be the issue here." |
| 22:11.26 | Cairenn | restricting redistribution IS PART of copyright |
| 22:11.28 | Cairenn | geez |
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| 22:11.42 | alestane | ALL Rights reserved. |
| 22:13.35 | Torhal | He says I never mentioned which projects I want restricted...yet they're gone from the site. |
| 22:13.39 | Torhal | I'm...confused. |
| 22:13.46 | Dagmar | You should be sure to drive home the fact that he has clearly never attempted to read the licence under which the works are being distributed in the first place. |
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| 22:18.52 | Alram | Torhal, his name is ronburgundy |
| 22:19.00 | Alram | surely you didnt expect professionalism |
| 22:21.11 | Torhal | Hah |
| 22:32.57 | MysticalOS | like i said on twitter. just make ace3 refuse to load if oqueue is installed, print a notice explaining why ace3 doesn't want to run on a system with oqueue installed. :)that most certainly assures that people will be forced to abandon OQ or abandon like 80% of their other mods |
| 22:33.01 | MysticalOS | :) |
| 22:34.14 | Torhal | Eeeeeeevil. |
| 22:34.17 | Torhal | I like. |
| 22:35.51 | Cairenn | lol |
| 22:35.52 | MysticalOS | i can't think of any blizzard policy (at least yet) that restricts not allowing your mod if another mod is present. although i could totally see blizzard grandfathering something in to kiss tiny's ass, just like they did with removal of friend notes from all game clients, then readding it back specifically and only for the ONE mod in world that uses it, OQ |
| 22:36.31 | MysticalOS | and of course allowing him to disregard in game donations policy |
| 22:37.07 | Torhal | Yeah. |
| 22:38.10 | MysticalOS | what's funny is, based on his downloads, he would have made a LOT more money just obeying policy and taking advantage of curse rewards. |
| 22:38.53 | Torhal | Yep. |
| 22:39.13 | Torhal | My putting it into moderation was, apparently, a personal affront. |
| 22:40.10 | MysticalOS | puts torhal into moderation |
| 22:40.11 | kullervo | MysticalOS: tbh I couldn't remember who half my friends were without the notes |
| 22:40.20 | MysticalOS | not those notes |
| 22:40.25 | kullervo | oh. |
| 22:40.34 | MysticalOS | blizzard decided in their INFINITE WISDOM that adding a note to a friend request wasn't needed |
| 22:40.55 | Cairenn | Torhal: now he's trying to call you out because you work for Curse |
| 22:40.57 | MysticalOS | they removed it from all game clients, now when you add someones battletag or realid, you cannot add a note saying who the hell you are. |
| 22:41.07 | MysticalOS | one of the many dumb things blizz does |
| 22:41.53 | MysticalOS | tiny complained cause apparently OQ spamming broadcasts wasn't enough it actually uses friend requests in bogus ways too and requires "notes" to function. so blizz grandfathered in a new api where mods could still end notes even though feature was removed |
| 22:43.40 | MysticalOS | what was funny is tiny blamed THAT on why his mod didn't work in that patch, instead of the fact he spent none of the 3 months of PTR changing his broadcasts to the new BN_Whisper sync, so his mod was hitting chat throttle limits on patch day. he played it off like he was waiting for blizzard to hotfix things to fix the thousands of error messages his mod got :) was very classy |
| 22:44.12 | Mr_Rabies | he was trying to sell OQ to blizzard at one point |
| 22:44.15 | Mr_Rabies | that was fun |
| 22:46.15 | Mr_Rabies | <Semlar> "there are thousands of addons. it'd be impracitcal to try and contact everyone" hahaha |
| 22:46.31 | Mr_Rabies | isn't this the exact like TTH gave, as if that matters |
| 22:46.38 | Mr_Rabies | line* |
| 22:48.06 | Torhal | Mr_Rabies: Almost verbatim. |
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| 23:22.39 | pnorman | I'd be tempted to send a DMCA notice if I had any addons of note |
| 23:24.54 | Stanzilla | foxlit: I guess you already planned for it but: favorite mount button in opie pls! |
| 23:26.13 | foxlit | I kind of want predictable randomness. |
| 23:26.34 | foxlit | It's annoying that when you have a /castrandom Moonfire, Sunfire macro, I can't tell you which one it'll cast. |
| 23:26.45 | Silencer | <MysticalOS> blizzard decided in their INFINITE WISDOM that adding a note to a friend request wasn't needed <--- was using this feature |
| 23:27.07 | foxlit | (similar problem would apply to favorite mounts: I'd like to be able to show you what you're getting before you commit, which raises questions.) |
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| 23:27.20 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:31.01 | Sharparam | was wondering where flight form was, it's merged into travel form now? |
| 23:33.56 | Semlar | you automatically shift into whatever form |
| 23:34.23 | Semlar | i think it's all tied to travel form |
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| 23:34.40 | Semlar | like if you jump into the water in travel form you automatically turn into a seal |
| 23:35.32 | Semlar | Neffi_: http://i.imgur.com/IsIkvdF.gif y u do dis |
| 23:36.09 | kullervo | wth is this |
| 23:36.32 | Semlar | it's my nameplates on the beta, their frame level is freaking out |
| 23:36.58 | Stanzilla | foxlit: I wish the button was a real button |
| 23:37.12 | foxlit | hm? |
| 23:37.18 | Stanzilla | the random mount button |
| 23:37.48 | Stanzilla | looks more like areal button though |
| 23:37.50 | Stanzilla | now |
| 23:38.21 | Sharparam | so, is there any guild for addon devs on lvling realm 02? :P |
| 23:38.30 | foxlit | still confused. |
| 23:38.44 | Stanzilla | the random mount button in the mount journal in 6.0 |
| 23:38.50 | Stanzilla | can't drag it into a ring |
| 23:38.58 | Stanzilla | because gnomes |
| 23:39.14 | foxlit | can you drag it onto your action bar? |
| 23:39.19 | Neffi_ | Semlar: wtf happened? |
| 23:39.19 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 23:40.00 | Semlar | Neffi_: not sure, i haven't had time to figure out what's causing it, there is nothing in the code that has anything to do with frame levels |
| 23:40.37 | Semlar | nothing gets reparented either |
| 23:41.21 | Semlar | it's possible their frame level is reset every time you re-anchor their points |
| 23:41.37 | Semlar | which would be a huge issue |
| 23:42.28 | Neffi_ | why are you reanchoring every frame? |
| 23:42.36 | Semlar | because they're nameplates? |
| 23:42.53 | Semlar | they have to stay above their heads! |
| 23:43.06 | Neffi_ | <_< |
| 23:43.21 | Semlar | anchoring them to the actual plate frames was causing huge performance issues |
| 23:43.37 | Semlar | so i was manually positioning them onupdate |
| 23:43.50 | Neffi_ | really? hmmm |
| 23:44.12 | Semlar | anyway, i'll try and narrow down the cause |
| 23:44.33 | Neffi_ | hmm. lemme know how it ends up |
| 23:44.59 | Neffi_ | also did you release this? 'cause I might just rework nfNameplates to add in your clever integrated healthbar |
| 23:45.10 | Neffi_ | I already stole the general style, but no healthbar |
| 23:45.38 | Semlar | i'm rewriting it for the beta to clean up the code |
| 23:45.54 | Guillotine | (I'll second the question about whether there's an AddOn developer guild on Beta yet!) |
| 23:46.10 | Semlar | not that i know of |
| 23:46.11 | Neffi_ | Once in a while I think "I should refactor this to make it nicer and more readable" and then I remember I'd rather just be ganking noobs, so I don't |
| 23:46.48 | Semlar | i want to make it more modular with a light fluffy core so i can easily add features and take them away without breaking anything else |
| 23:46.48 | Sharparam | Guillotine: i could create one but if there already is one we'll end up with two :/ |
| 23:48.06 | kd3 | last one got lost with the wipe |
| 23:48.07 | Neffi_ | Semlar: I solved that by with a little abstraction. All frame objects (and their children) has a :Listen() to register a callback. Then when I want to add new features, I come up with a signal name and add it as a new event. |
| 23:48.08 | kd3 | afaik there isn't one now |
| 23:48.29 | Neffi_ | they can just call :Update to make the frame aware of some info |
| 23:48.36 | Sharparam | i guess i'll go make one then ^^ |
| 23:48.39 | Semlar | orly |
| 23:48.46 | Gethe | gogo horde |
| 23:49.00 | Guillotine | What are we naming the guilds this year? |
| 23:49.18 | Neffi_ | eg, UNIT_HEALTH fires :Update('health', current, max) on units[unit]. whether or not the frame cares about it doesn't matter |
| 23:49.18 | Gethe | AllRightsReserved |
| 23:49.20 | kd3 | I think the last one was CastSpellByName? |
| 23:49.33 | foxlit | Stanzilla: I suggest a curseforge ticket; would help me not to lose track of it by the time 6.0 is live. |
| 23:49.43 | foxlit | <Directories are people too> |
| 23:49.43 | Sharparam | Guillotine: no idea, got any suggestions? :P |
| 23:50.50 | Semlar | Neffi_: i'm not sure how i should do this efficiently |
| 23:51.05 | Gethe | there was a guild, but then the wipe happened |
| 23:51.16 | Sharparam | what was it called? |
| 23:51.31 | Neffi_ | Semlar: this is my stuff https://gist.github.com/a5ad1f29197b65eef3d4 |
| 23:52.14 | Gethe | i think kd3 called it right: CastSpellByName |
| 23:52.26 | Sharparam | oh |
| 23:52.35 | Guillotine | I think we used "Secure Templars" one year. There were a couple taint-based names, but I think those got force name-changed. |
| 23:53.05 | Sharparam | are we coming up with a new name now then, or what |
| 23:53.15 | Gethe | based on recent events i like <AllRightsReserved> |
| 23:54.07 | Sharparam | with or without spaces? :P |
| 23:54.11 | Sharparam | i'd say spaces look better |
| 23:54.36 | Gethe | not sure what the char limit is, but spaces if you can |
| 23:55.55 | Sharparam | got a guild charter for <All Rights Reserved> |
| 23:55.57 | Stanzilla | foxlit: hokay |
| 23:56.11 | Guillotine | Which server? |
| 23:56.30 | Sharparam | lvling 02 |
| 23:56.49 | Gethe | :< pvp |
| 23:56.55 | Sharparam | :P |
| 23:57.24 | Gethe | i assume horde? |
| 23:57.30 | Sharparam | yep |
| 23:58.30 | Sharparam | character name: Seylaina |
