| 00:00.03 | foxlit | bam, no heals. |
| 00:00.13 | Semlar | use citizen snips the emperor crab |
| 00:00.46 | Shirik | great victory is mine! |
| 00:00.56 | Shirik | http://i.gyazo.com/a1a7de73b1337b74b537a8ccbc493a24.png |
| 00:02.28 | Semlar | i don't know how hard leech seed hits but shell shield completely negated low damage attacks |
| 00:02.34 | smcn | foxlit: assuming you got three of them it would also have to outsurvive 479 elemental/turn |
| 00:02.38 | Semlar | it might stop him from healing |
| 00:03.00 | Jamash | Shirik: Cryptozoic is still in business? |
| 00:03.37 | Semlar | there's also a suggestion on how to beat him in the wowhead comments |
| 00:07.05 | smcn | holy cow |
| 00:08.36 | smcn | so not unbeatable but idk if it's okay that you should need such a specific setup/rotation just to unlock a garrison building |
| 00:08.47 | Semlar | i would just focus on very high damage attacks and avoidance |
| 00:09.01 | Shirik | Jamash: why wouldn't they be? |
| 00:09.06 | Semlar | saying you have to do "636.5 damage per turn to break even" is flawed reasoning |
| 00:09.12 | Jamash | I thought they only had the wow card game |
| 00:09.16 | smcn | yeah probably |
| 00:09.29 | Semlar | it's only if you attack every turn and they always heal |
| 00:09.30 | Neffi | hey Semlar, still playing on teh same server? |
| 00:09.41 | Jamash | you have to do a greater fraction of their health per turn than they do to you per turn on average |
| 00:09.51 | Jamash | which is to say you have to beat them before they beat you |
| 00:10.07 | Semlar | crazy |
| 00:11.01 | Shirik | Jamash: why wouldn't they be? |
| 00:11.07 | Shirik | oh I typed that already |
| 00:11.12 | Shirik | no, they have like 40 games or something |
| 00:11.15 | Jamash | l2r |
| 00:11.22 | Jamash | okay |
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| 00:44.35 | Neffi | VIad: why is your post on wowhead forums yellow color? what does that mean? |
| 00:44.50 | VIad | probably because I am a patron member |
| 00:45.14 | Neffi | oh, I c |
| 00:45.14 | VIad | http://www.wowhead.com/user=Vlad |
| 00:45.58 | Neffi | so many characters |
| 00:46.28 | VIad | not sure if I updated it recently - hmm |
| 00:46.54 | VIad | it's okay |
| 00:47.01 | VIad | the tier 3 are all 90 now |
| 00:47.04 | VIad | even got a 90 monk |
| 00:47.09 | VIad | except rogue, rogue still 85 :p |
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| 00:49.38 | Gethe | VIad: what do the tiers mean? |
| 00:51.37 | VIad | old accounts |
| 00:51.44 | VIad | t1 is vanilla/tbc |
| 00:51.54 | VIad | t2 is tbc/wotlk |
| 00:51.57 | VIad | t3 is cata+ |
| 00:52.04 | VIad | haven't paid for t1 and t2 accounts for ages :p |
| 00:52.44 | Neffi | you come up with the cleverest names |
| 00:54.03 | VIad | :p |
| 00:54.28 | VIad | the RP era was vanilla |
| 00:54.32 | VIad | since I don't make RP names |
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| 00:56.21 | Semlar | neffi |
| 00:58.10 | Semlar | if you don't have the arrow in the center of your screen the angle is wrong, but i don't know if i should offset to account for that |
| 01:00.06 | Semlar | i think that might just get confusing |
| 01:01.37 | Neffi | what? |
| 01:01.58 | Neffi | arrow to what? |
| 01:02.05 | Semlar | if i make an arrow that points to a destination and i put it in the center of the screen |
| 01:02.29 | Semlar | you can just spin around to line up the angle |
| 01:02.52 | Neffi | The arrow only appears if you're facing correctly? |
| 01:02.59 | Semlar | no |
| 01:03.12 | Neffi | Ohhh. I see |
| 01:03.35 | Neffi | I'd have to use it to see if it feels quirky |
| 01:03.36 | Semlar | if i move the arrow to the side of the screen and i leave the angle the same |
| 01:03.41 | Neffi | What are you pointing to? |
| 01:03.44 | Semlar | rares |
| 01:03.56 | Neffi | Have you seen Wildstar gameplay videos? |
| 01:03.59 | Semlar | no |
| 01:04.21 | Neffi | There's a cool thing there. I think it's an addon. If you can implement it with the restrictions of the WoW API, you should do that instead of an arrow. Let me find an example |
| 01:04.29 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.54 | Neffi | Seerah: http://www.curse.com/ws-addons/wildstar/220025-track-master |
| 01:04.57 | Neffi | Semlar: http://www.curse.com/ws-addons/wildstar/220025-track-master |
| 01:05.04 | Neffi | Seerah: sorry, wrong tab completion |
| 01:05.25 | Neffi | The distance between the dots indicates the distance to the object |
| 01:05.34 | Neffi | If it's offscreen, it just extends in that direction |
| 01:05.51 | Semlar | that might be overkill |
| 01:06.08 | Neffi | it really looks awesome in gameplay videos |
| 01:06.28 | Semlar | find one |
| 01:06.59 | Semlar | this screenshot just looks like my nameplate arrows |
| 01:09.20 | Neffi | here, this guy is using it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4Bt3CZYKYQ |
| 01:09.31 | Semlar | now that quest arrow that's popping up |
| 01:09.35 | Semlar | that looks interesting |
| 01:10.44 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.52 | Neffi | I'm not sure if you can account for it in 3 dimensional space, even if you accept that you can't get accurate height info |
| 01:12.31 | Neffi | also I'm gonna resub to WoW soon so I can come annoy you in-game |
| 01:12.40 | Semlar | y u do dis |
| 01:13.05 | Neffi | mostly so I can play with my little bro because I never see him :| |
| 01:16.20 | Semlar | i'm not going to offset the angle because it's more work |
| 01:20.46 | Shirik | wildstar's API is far less restrictive than wow's |
| 01:20.55 | Shirik | it's pretty much the only thing I hate about wildstar |
| 01:21.27 | Semlar | can you get the position of enemies? |
| 01:21.50 | Semlar | i assume this couldn't work offscreen if you couldn't |
| 01:21.53 | Neffi | You just saw an addon that does that |
| 01:22.08 | Semlar | uh well most of those had nameplates |
| 01:22.19 | Neffi | iirc it does work offscreen |
| 01:22.21 | Semlar | and my addon does that exact same thing for onscreen enemies |
| 01:22.29 | Shirik | Semlar: in wildstar or wow? |
| 01:22.39 | Semlar | i know you can't get enemy positions in wow |
| 01:22.47 | Semlar | i don't know anything about wildstar |
| 01:23.15 | Shirik | in wildstar you have almost perfect information about the camera alignment and unit positions |
| 01:23.15 | Shirik | even things nobody has targeted |
| 01:23.18 | Semlar | neat |
| 01:23.27 | Semlar | i would exploit the hell out of that |
| 01:23.32 | Shirik | even non-units |
| 01:23.39 | Shirik | like clickable items on the ground |
| 01:23.48 | Shirik | and yes, I generally believe it is being exploited to hell already |
| 01:23.59 | Semlar | needs more avr |
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| 01:24.12 | Semlar | VIRTUAL HOUSING |
| 01:24.42 | Neffi | Shirik: How so? |
| 01:25.07 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure people would have started making virtual garrisons in wrath if they hadn't shut down avr |
| 01:25.36 | Shirik | Neffi: do you play wildstar? |
| 01:26.06 | Shirik | if yes, have you run malgrave trail? |
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| 01:26.12 | Neffi | Nope. Tried a guest pass. My computer almost melted. A Sandy Bridge IGP is not sufficient D: |
| 01:26.26 | Neffi | I want to play is so badly though. It looks amazing |
| 01:26.40 | Shirik | ok so there's an instance that is extremely difficult, and among other things, members have to break off the group throughout the encounter to go collect resources off the ground |
| 01:26.51 | Shirik | failure to collect enough resources result in failure, and there are 3 types of resources |
| 01:27.14 | Shirik | an addon exists to point you in the direction of all the resources, even if they're miles away off-screen |
| 01:27.26 | Shirik | and to be clear, these are random spawns, not something that's the same every time |
| 01:27.36 | Neffi | ah, I see |
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| 01:28.00 | Shirik | that's just one example of people doing stuff that I generally think should not be allowed |
| 01:29.26 | Shirik | in other news: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/07/satanists-troll-the-hobby-lobby-decision/375268/ |
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| 01:39.42 | Shirik | pets Krapsy |
| 01:40.00 | TC-Work | s/pets/kicks/ |
| 01:40.22 | Krapsy | Wow so angry |
| 01:40.42 | TC-Work | Why angry? |
| 01:42.21 | Krapsy | Kicking people is generally seen as an act of anger |
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| 01:46.38 | kd3 | oh, wow. they're actually sending us off-world for a one-off quest in Talador |
| 01:52.14 | kd3 | and of course, the first thing I do is get myself out of bounds and wind up in westfall >.> |
| 01:52.37 | Kraps | westfall bestfall |
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| 01:53.58 | Simca | betterthantherestfall |
| 01:54.44 | Semlar | so you're saying you get free transportation to westfall just for walking off the map? |
| 01:54.57 | kd3 | at the cost of a repair bill, yup |
| 01:55.13 | Semlar | surely you have free inventory space |
| 01:55.33 | Semlar | does death damage everything you have on you? |
| 01:56.18 | kd3 | no, but taking a spirit res does |
| 01:59.31 | Semlar | what if you just wandered the earth as a ghost |
| 01:59.39 | Semlar | haunting other players |
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| 02:16.31 | Semlar | so with the change to SendAddonMessage accepting a channel name, can you send addon messages through General |
| 02:17.47 | Semlar | because right now a custom chat channel is local to your server |
| 02:18.14 | Semlar | but general chat and such are local to the server you're currently on |
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| 02:51.44 | p3lim | is it possible to use gifs in addon descriptions on wowi? |
| 02:52.44 | alestane | You mean the description shown in the AddOn Management section of the login screen? |
| 02:52.52 | p3lim | that is not on wowi |
| 02:53.09 | p3lim | oh you can.. |
| 02:53.14 | p3lim | interesting.. |
| 02:57.54 | VIad | working on my friend list addon https://github.com/Vladinator89/wow-addon-friendlistcolors not sure sure how I feel about it yet |
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| 03:05.33 | Neffi | VIad: Neat idea. But why no {color=#ffffff} or something? |
| 03:05.44 | VIad | could be added |
| 03:05.49 | VIad | for now I just want to add dynamic colors |
| 03:05.54 | VIad | based on class or level diff |
| 03:06.08 | Neffi | The main reason I would install this is to make a certain friend's name pink |
| 03:06.12 | Neffi | not naming names, here |
| 03:06.13 | VIad | :p |
| 03:06.22 | VIad | good idea, could add hex to it |
| 03:07.14 | Neffi | Also, another idea for a feature. Implement some form of stable color sorting, so each of my friends can have a quasi-unique color, like IRC clients do |
| 03:07.37 | Neffi | Stable though, because you learn to identify people by their color after a while, so it ought to always be the same |
| 03:08.02 | VIad | for now all it does is modify the default friend list by going through the buttons and recoloring the name portion |
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| 03:08.08 | VIad | sorting and such might be a headache |
| 03:08.30 | Neffi | You just have to implement a tag that assigns a color depending on some uniquely hashable thing, like their real name |
| 03:08.44 | Neffi | Something that's always the same, more or less |
| 03:09.57 | VIad | Neffi: http://s.cdn.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw44476.jpg |
| 03:10.35 | VIad | picture of the original addon - new one will have the same features only new syntax |
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| 03:10.52 | Neffi | it's pretty |
| 03:11.01 | VIad | I was just tired of having a dull list |
| 03:11.11 | VIad | wanted to read the class name easier :p |
| 03:11.17 | VIad | also wanted a way to alias people |
| 03:11.32 | VIad | if you add a note "^Name$" then the name will appear as "Name" in the list |
| 03:12.07 | VIad | will only affect the list atm |
| 03:12.22 | VIad | the old code hijacked a lot of API, can still do it, but gonna reconsider :p |
| 03:13.11 | Neffi | Best to post-hook and then re-apply your changes, instead of hijacking |
| 03:13.22 | VIad | hard to post hook stuff like links in chat |
| 03:13.31 | VIad | well maybe |
| 03:13.33 | VIad | but yea |
| 03:13.41 | Neffi | Ah yeah that's a bitch |
| 03:14.12 | VIad | gonna sleep now! :D |
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| 04:08.58 | Arrowmaster | hahaha http://i.imgur.com/xrmvHJ1.jpg |
| 04:12.54 | Neffi | o.o |
| 04:12.56 | Neffi | what a monster |
| 04:15.06 | Semlar | i've got a spoiler for you: everyone dies |
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| 04:21.54 | Neffi | Semlar: I've seen your WoW videos. You're definitely the expert on this |
| 04:22.01 | Semlar | :( |
| 04:33.48 | Semlar | are you ready for sharknado 2 |
| 04:35.36 | Neffi | no, but I am ready for bed. g'night |
| 04:35.54 | Semlar | think of me |
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| 07:54.35 | Mr_Rabies | oh snap |
| 07:54.50 | Mr_Rabies | the most anticipated game of 2014 is now available for preorder http://store.steampowered.com/app/310080/ |
| 07:55.26 | nevcairiel | kinda pricy, isnt it |
| 07:55.35 | karl_w_w | I thought that was going to be a link to GTA V |
| 07:56.06 | nevcairiel | no pre-order yet for that |
| 07:56.30 | Mr_Rabies | http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/310080/ss_caf5e4727f7b95b431cf52e2473ff416a3550c3c.600x338.jpg |
| 07:56.31 | Mr_Rabies | GOTY |
| 07:57.48 | Mr_Rabies | is it bad i legitimately have more hype for hatoful boyfriend than GTAV |
| 07:57.57 | haste | Additional Notes: Windows Vista is not supported. |
| 07:58.00 | haste | nooo! |
| 07:58.30 | Mr_Rabies | i actually still use vista so welp |
| 07:58.31 | Mr_Rabies | :v |
| 07:58.48 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 07:58.53 | haste | :D |
| 07:59.40 | Fisker | Why would you do that? |
| 07:59.56 | Mr_Rabies | because it's really not that different from windows 7 to a power user and i cba to reformat |
| 08:00.02 | Semlar | :| |
| 08:00.05 | Mr_Rabies | as long as you start with SP2 and not SP0 |
| 08:00.19 | Mr_Rabies | if you start with SP0 it's a totally broken POS |
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| 08:17.18 | karl_w_w | http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-31/detention-centre-inquiry-hears-claims-of-immigration-cover-up/5637654 |
| 08:20.46 | karl_w_w | some of these things have got to be criminal |
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| 08:25.05 | karl_w_w | well, some of it blatantly is |
| 08:35.37 | Mr_Rabies | dear everyone on the whole internet, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m-vVKHideI |
| 08:44.43 | karl_w_w | nah |
| 08:51.37 | Mr_Rabies | yea |
| 08:52.00 | Mr_Rabies | also urgh i really wish i knew what was keeping us from killing sha of pride :( |
| 08:52.37 | Mr_Rabies | we're through heroic juggernaut doing 1 night a week, except for sha |
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| 08:58.05 | Mr_Rabies | 1 night a week is killing us, though, ughhh |
| 08:58.35 | Mr_Rabies | we literally can't do that or we'd lose 2+ people in the raid by adding one day |
| 08:58.42 | Mr_Rabies | i can't wait until WoD where this will be a much smaller issue |
| 09:00.24 | Mr_Rabies | 5/14 heroic on 3 hours a week ain't too shabby though |
| 09:01.52 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:03.38 | Semlar | have you tried just jumping around in circles because that usually works for me |
| 09:05.46 | Mr_Rabies | i saw that crosshair appear and heard the music start up and thought it was gonna turn into a snipars video at any moment |
| 09:06.00 | Mr_Rabies | (what is that crosshair thing, btw) |
| 09:06.08 | Semlar | just my focus target |
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| 09:06.46 | Semlar | from ma nameplates |
| 09:08.27 | Mr_Rabies | so your raid stays pretty split up on the fight then |
| 09:08.39 | Mr_Rabies | ours stays pretty well grouped around the weapon, though seperate -enough- |
| 09:08.43 | Semlar | we spread out all over the room |
| 09:08.56 | Mr_Rabies | how do you handle dispels and whatnot, and gift of the titans? |
| 09:09.26 | Semlar | gift of the titans we group up for if it's convenient |
| 09:09.34 | Semlar | we mostly don't have the buff |
| 09:10.07 | Semlar | and we're all around the boss so presumably in range of someone who can dispel most of the time |
| 09:10.23 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, what about banishment? how do you handle that? |
| 09:10.43 | Mr_Rabies | there are a lot of advantages to being close together, but the big advantage to how you do it is rifts |
| 09:11.11 | Semlar | our other raid group does it all on one half of the room |
| 09:11.32 | Semlar | and i guess just sends people out to pick off rifts from the other side |
| 09:11.47 | Mr_Rabies | you should replace your life bar with a picture of your race getting progressively bloodier, doom style |
| 09:11.57 | Mr_Rabies | your number indicator |
| 09:12.01 | Mr_Rabies | very efficient |
| 09:12.17 | Semlar | yeah it usually shows me how dead i am |
| 09:12.44 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/v6DBeck.jpg |
| 09:12.46 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/Vuj1Aaf.gif |
| 09:13.19 | Mr_Rabies | your healers are way better at avoiding pride |
| 09:13.26 | Mr_Rabies | i think that's really it |
| 09:13.34 | Mr_Rabies | ours are at like 75-80 by the time unleashed happens |
| 09:14.38 | karl_w_w | http://runt-of-the-web.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/batman.jpg rofl |
| 09:15.01 | Mr_Rabies | oh no i guess it's close enough, hmm |
| 09:15.02 | Mr_Rabies | i just don't know |
| 09:16.29 | Mr_Rabies | fun fact: there is a Catman character |
| 09:16.46 | Mr_Rabies | ...and he was a batman villain at some point |
| 09:17.44 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/M3WT8Ry.gif |
| 09:18.23 | Mr_Rabies | also an Owl Man |
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| 09:18.31 | Mr_Rabies | but he's an alternate universe batman sooo |
| 09:18.36 | Mr_Rabies | (also a batman villain) |
| 09:19.21 | Semlar | probably just misunderstood |
| 09:19.44 | Mr_Rabies | you should totally find a way to utilize your focus crosshair thing into a montage parody video semlar |
| 09:20.40 | Semlar | someone here made me turn it into a target indicator http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info22883-Crosshairs.html |
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| 09:26.05 | Semlar | which is what it was originally going to be but i didn't like it on top of the arrows i was already using |
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| 09:28.09 | Semlar | i need guinea pigs who actually do things on the beta to play around with my rare tracker and give me feedback |
| 09:28.45 | Mr_Rabies | not in beta yet :( |
| 09:28.54 | Mr_Rabies | ...i don't think |
| 09:28.56 | Mr_Rabies | lemme see here |
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| 09:29.40 | Semlar | i have it but i don't feel like setting everything up so i can play seriously |
| 09:30.59 | Semlar | also the level 100 does way less damage than my level 90 |
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| 09:32.12 | Semlar | maybe we should do level 100 raids without leveling |
| 09:33.51 | Semlar | i'm guessing my 90 probably can't hit a level 100 mob |
| 09:35.07 | Mr_Rabies | what was the preferred ingame/lore term for levels? |
| 09:35.15 | Mr_Rabies | "seasons of battle" or something |
| 09:35.26 | Semlar | i have no idea |
| 09:35.32 | Mr_Rabies | USELESS |
| 09:35.35 | Semlar | i don't rp |
| 09:35.39 | Semlar | or read |
| 09:35.40 | Mr_Rabies | YER USELESS SEMLAR, TURN IN YOUR BADGE |
| 09:36.00 | Semlar | i'm just there to shoot stuff |
| 09:38.46 | Mr_Rabies | cats have no fingers what which to shoot |
| 09:38.57 | Mr_Rabies | so i pretty much just bite and scratch things |
| 09:39.44 | Semlar | i wonder how much damage i'll cause if i straight up replace the blizzard function that draws the map |
| 09:40.02 | Semlar | because that is by far the easiest way to do what i want |
| 09:40.32 | karl_w_w | http://www.absoluteradio.co.uk/onair/dave-gorman/features/pun-street/pun-street-yellow-pages.html creepy close is hilarious |
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| 09:46.24 | Mr_Rabies | a nonsequitor after looking at guardians of the galaxy rotten tomatoes score so far: |
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| 09:47.07 | Mr_Rabies | one of my favorite hobbies is going to movies that i liked but were critically panned/mixed and counting how many bad reviews say the movie was "like a video game" even if there's literally no way to say that about the movie |
| 09:47.29 | Mr_Rabies | on RT |
| 09:48.11 | mitchnull | could someone check on beta if GetItemInfo() returns "" as first param for invalid itemids or nil? (GetSpellInfo changed from nil to "" for some reason) |
| 09:48.55 | Semlar | empty result |
| 09:49.06 | karl_w_w | a most wanted man was really good |
| 09:49.06 | mitchnull | so, nil ? |
| 09:49.16 | Semlar | i'm not sure that's the same as nil |
| 09:49.16 | karl_w_w | I think I killed philip seymour hoffman |
| 09:49.38 | Semlar | i guess it's nil |
| 09:49.41 | karl_w_w | I was just getting into his stuff and then he's dead |
| 09:49.45 | mitchnull | Semlar: thanks |
| 09:49.49 | karl_w_w | no way that's a coincidence |
| 09:50.32 | Semlar | i wasn't sure if /dump translated nil to "empty result", but GetItemInfo(1000000) == nil returns true |
| 09:52.03 | Semlar | truly invalid arguments throw an error though |
| 09:52.17 | mitchnull | that's ok |
| 09:52.53 | mitchnull | hm. now that blizz changed IsSpellInRange to return true/false, I dunno if I should change my returns to return true/false, too... previously they returned true/nil |
| 09:53.46 | Semlar | IsSpellInRange returns 0 for me on the beta |
| 09:54.17 | mitchnull | wtf |
| 09:54.45 | Semlar | 0/1 indicating whether the spell is in range and nil for invalid spells |
| 09:54.54 | mitchnull | that's how it used to be |
| 09:55.05 | mitchnull | but according to some post it got changed to true/false |
| 09:55.11 | nevcairiel | Do you really do func() == true instead of just relying on its Boolean truth value, which didn't change with this change? |
| 09:55.26 | mitchnull | I did func() == 1 before |
| 09:55.29 | mitchnull | (as I had to) |
| 09:55.47 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/kX0zzzm.jpg |
| 09:56.21 | nevcairiel | Well if it was 1/0 sure, but many functions returned 1/nil, which act quite the same as true/false |
| 09:56.48 | mitchnull | nevcairiel: it was 1/0/nil |
| 09:56.58 | mitchnull | Semlar: hm... |
| 09:58.14 | mitchnull | Semlar: well, thanks for testing. could be it was changed in the bulk-rewrite and later they noticed they really need the 3-state return or somesuch... still, true/false/nil would've been better |
| 09:58.34 | mitchnull | still strange |
| 09:59.06 | mitchnull | Semlar: could you check IsItemInRange(), too? |
| 09:59.18 | Semlar | you have an item id |
| 09:59.38 | mitchnull | 32698 |
| 10:00.36 | Semlar | seems to return true and false |
| 10:00.43 | mitchnull | darn |
| 10:00.53 | Semlar | and nil if the item isn't cached |
| 10:01.07 | mitchnull | yay, consistency ;) |
| 10:01.54 | karl_w_w | that's metamucil for you |
| 10:03.23 | Semlar | apparently there are PLAYER_STARTED_MOVING and PLAYER_STOPPED_MOVING events now |
| 10:05.16 | Semlar | argh someone is running around the isle killing my rares |
| 10:05.18 | Semlar | y u do dis |
| 10:05.29 | mitchnull | sorry, was bored |
| 10:05.31 | Semlar | DO YOU NOT GET ENOUGH OF THIS ON LIVE |
| 10:06.19 | Semlar | i'm just impressed people manage to navigate to the timeless isle on the 100 test realm |
| 10:06.42 | mitchnull | btw, do you really need an active / paying subscription for beta? :) |
| 10:06.49 | Semlar | no |
| 10:07.21 | mitchnull | hm. then I should probably apply for a beta key |
| 10:07.23 | Semlar | they give out keys to people who don't have an active subscription |
| 10:07.38 | Semlar | i don't know about for addon authors who apply |
| 10:07.53 | mitchnull | well, worth a try |
| 10:08.15 | Semlar | it was one of the stipulations mentioned in the post but i'm not sure |
| 10:09.43 | Semlar | oops, well SendAddonMessage actively denies you from broadcasting over General |
| 10:09.57 | Semlar | so i guess that's one mystery solved |
| 10:10.38 | Semlar | the hell is the point of them letting you use this with custom channels if you still have to go through all the trouble of making a custom channel |
| 10:13.50 | Semlar | i mean, joining the channel is easy, but joining it without breaking your channel numbers is kind of a pain |
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| 10:19.36 | Semlar | any idea what this new GetSpeed() function does, i can't get it to return anything but 0 |
| 10:21.01 | nevcairiel | it was added in the same build when C_PetBattles.GetSpeed was removed |
| 10:21.06 | nevcairiel | does that tell you anything? |
| 10:21.34 | Semlar | possibly gets the speed attributes for pets |
| 10:21.55 | Semlar | but confusing that they would take it out of that table |
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| 11:08.27 | karl_w_w | ooh, it's ebola time? |
| 11:11.01 | karl_w_w | yep |
| 11:13.36 | Mr_Rabies | just in time for dragoncon! |
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| 11:23.00 | Hurtgar | Hi there, I have a prototype of an addon and I would like to place it on the curse.com. But since it is very early in the development I would like to keep it test base only for my friends who do the testing of the new itterations. Do you know it is possible to set the project access to something like "limited" or "unlisted"? |
| 11:23.47 | nevcairiel | you can list it on curseforge, and as long as you only ever release "alpha" versions, they wont show up on curse.com, but only on curseforge, however that still doesnt limit anyone from downloading it |
| 11:28.11 | Hurtgar | I want to make it public when all of the core functionality will be there, working and tested. So having it available through curseforge even in alpha is not a problem. But having it only on curseforge will not make the testers life easier, as they could not download the new versions through the curse client, I guess? Or could they? |
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| 11:29.05 | nevcairiel | not sure, they might |
| 11:29.18 | Hurtgar | I know the curse client has some versions switch, but ... ;) |
| 11:41.10 | Mr_Rabies | could put it on some kinda repo that's commonly used and have them use the appropriate software to download it from there |
| 11:41.38 | Mr_Rabies | might also want to see what wowinterface offers, Hurtgar, i've never written or submitted an addon but checking the big two is probably a good option |
| 11:42.16 | Mr_Rabies | since almost literally everything not associated with the big 2 in some way is dubious at best (unless it's the author's personal site) |
| 11:43.35 | karl_w_w | you cant get it off curse client till there has been a version make it to curse |
| 11:48.11 | Hurtgar | I have it currently in my local repository. I could give them access, but I doubt they will know how to use the SVN client. So I am looking for some easy to share solution, ideally through the curse.com as majority of them uses the client... |
| 11:50.28 | Hurtgar | Thanks for the advices. It looks like to me I might continue for a while through the current sharing pipeline (dropbox & link in guild forum) and then release it on curse. |
| 11:53.22 | Mr_Rabies | if you want more testers at any point, here's a good spot to ask |
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| 12:02.21 | Workfoz | huh? you can get alphas via the client but you can't if there hasn't ever been a release? |
| 12:02.32 | Workfoz | that seems... odd |
| 12:04.28 | karl_w_w | http://i.4cdn.org/b/1406797255597.png lmao |
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| 12:17.12 | VIad | :D |
| 12:17.32 | VIad | btw, there is a design issue with CUSTOM_CLASS_COLORS :P |
| 12:18.11 | VIad | table with custom colors that don't notify the addons upon change, so thats a bit lame :p |
| 12:20.34 | zenzelezz | do addons cache the colors then? |
| 12:20.41 | zenzelezz | otherwise I don't see the need |
| 12:22.15 | nevcairiel | VIad: its supposed to be a very simplistic design, if anyone changes their colors every 5 minutes they are doing it wrong, and otherwise just set it and reloadui |
| 12:22.50 | VIad | jupp |
| 12:23.37 | VIad | for example I have a situation where I got regular class names, so I have to map them to the class names like DEATHKNIGHT, so I do this at the start of the addon |
| 12:23.48 | VIad | meaning I cache a private table ["Death Knight"] = color |
| 12:23.59 | VIad | so user gotta /reload if they change stuff:p |
| 12:24.15 | nevcairiel | maybe you should just cache the mapping of Death Knight=DEATHKNIGHT :P |
| 12:26.45 | VIad | no but then the addon will do two lookups to get the color :( |
| 12:26.58 | VIad | and it uses the function much more often than user changes their color :p |
| 12:27.04 | VIad | so drawback is mandatory /reload |
| 12:33.46 | zenzelezz | I must be out of touch; when does the player change the colors? |
| 12:38.36 | VIad | community thing |
| 12:39.04 | zenzelezz | that doesn't really tell me anything |
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| 14:25.49 | Jamash | Station |
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| 14:58.59 | VIad | Neffi: hi |
| 14:59.13 | VIad | gui so far http://ss.bool.no/capture_1406818731.png |
| 15:00.19 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1406818799.png pink :p |
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| 15:50.59 | VIad | anyone around here? :) |
| 16:03.40 | karl_w_w | no |
| 16:04.16 | VIad | karl jarl |
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| 16:13.55 | VIad | karl_w_w: any addons you've ported to WOD? |
| 16:14.10 | karl_w_w | negatory |
| 16:16.00 | VIad | any you wish to? |
| 16:20.29 | VIad | http://www.salon.com/2014/07/29/alabama_state_officials_we_wont_comply_with_the_epa_because_god_gave_us_coal/ |
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| 16:35.21 | VIad | so... is it normal to use logic regarding what god did and why to settle arguments in US? :P |
| 16:42.36 | Shirik | hell no |
| 16:42.44 | Shirik | just normal for the south |
| 16:42.54 | Semlar | this is a terribly written article |
| 16:43.11 | VIad | what do you expect from a site called "salon.com" |
| 16:43.12 | VIad | :P |
| 16:43.28 | Semlar | by "an assistant editor at Salon, focusing on sustainability" |
| 16:45.23 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 16:45.29 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 16:46.11 | Semlar | this guy is appealing to the people of alabama, which just makes him a politician |
| 16:46.18 | Fisker | by the power vested in me by god Shirik |
| 16:46.35 | VIad | there is only one true god Fisker |
| 16:46.41 | Dagmar | Everything goes fine until you say something like "God gave me ten fingers and two hands for strangling lying politicians with... and then everyone loses their minds." |
| 16:46.45 | VIad | can you go to join in the US for blasphemy? |
| 16:46.48 | Fisker | I'm flattered VIad |
| 16:47.00 | VIad | jail* |
| 16:47.14 | Dagmar | Blasphemy is not a crime in the US, yet. |
| 16:47.19 | Semlar | sort of |
| 16:47.21 | VIad | if god is used to settle arguments then he can probably be usded to put someone in jail :p |
| 16:47.31 | Dagmar | However, do it right and illiterates will try to prosecute public obscenity charges. |
| 16:47.44 | Dagmar | ...and TN has a new and especially retarded law about "offensive" verbiage. |
| 16:47.45 | Semlar | an amish person could go to jail for shearing another amish person's beard off |
| 16:47.50 | Fisker | http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/70110/header_292x136.jpg?t=1406656612 |
| 16:47.53 | Fisker | This can't be real |
| 16:48.24 | VIad | http://steamdb.info/app/70110/ |
| 16:49.08 | VIad | you know real hackers use the command line right |
| 16:49.16 | VIad | to enter commands help lists and do stuff :P |
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| 16:52.40 | VIad | ~birthday |
| 16:52.46 | VIad | ~purl what's my birthday? |
| 16:52.51 | VIad | ~purl are you here? |
| 16:52.51 | purl | Yes, I'm right here, viad. |
| 16:53.05 | VIad | ~purl help me |
| 16:54.03 | Fisker | http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/07/31/teardown-of-the-oculus-rift-development-kit-2-reveals-a-samsung-galaxy-note-3-front-panel-and-screen-seriously/ |
| 16:54.48 | VIad | SAMSUNG! |
| 16:54.53 | VIad | ~whalenuke |
| 16:55.12 | VIad | ~purl whalenuke |
| 16:55.18 | VIad | did purl forget about whalenuking? |
| 16:55.44 | zenzelezz | ~emulate VIad |
| 16:55.52 | VIad | ~emulate zenzelezz |
| 16:55.52 | purl | OMG STOP TALKIN TO TEH BOT! |
| 16:56.03 | VIad | I think purl is stuck in some loop |
| 16:56.07 | zenzelezz | why? |
| 16:56.11 | Semlar | clearly isn't |
| 16:56.13 | VIad | ~emulate karl_w_w |
| 16:56.19 | VIad | ~emulate Semlar |
| 16:56.25 | VIad | it isn't working right |
| 16:56.28 | zenzelezz | it is |
| 16:56.32 | Semlar | MAYBE IT JUST DOESN'T WANT TO TALK TO YOU |
| 16:56.33 | zenzelezz | ~literal emulate zenzelezz |
| 16:56.33 | purl | "emulate zenzelezz" is "<reply> OMG STOP TALKIN TO TEH BOT!" |
| 16:56.42 | zenzelezz | it's specifically made, not a general command |
| 16:56.53 | VIad | purl are you alive? |
| 16:56.53 | purl | The dead cannot live |
| 16:57.07 | VIad | purl do you have free will? |
| 16:57.07 | purl | yes, I have free will. |
| 16:57.16 | foxlit | honestly, Viad, take your inanity to PMs. |
| 16:57.27 | VIad | :D |
| 16:57.31 | zenzelezz | you should listen to the response to my emulate :-p |
| 16:58.12 | VIad | ~emulate foxlit |
| 16:58.13 | purl | ACTION hides. |
| 16:58.45 | karl_w_w | irons VIad |
| 16:59.26 | VIad | whalkenukes karl_w_w |
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| 17:46.05 | Jamash | derp |
| 17:46.40 | Jamash | spent a while looking for a mysterious bug, turns out I assigned the return values of GetSpellBookItemInfo in the wrong order |
| 17:46.48 | VIad | xD |
| 17:47.08 | Jamash | an API function that is basically what my addon does all day |
| 17:48.01 | Semlar | looks like you need to give things like EnableMouse and SetMovable an argument for them to work on the beta |
| 17:48.22 | Semlar | on live you've always been able to just do :EnableMouse() for it to assume true |
| 17:48.25 | VIad | I had an issue too today where I passed the wrong parameters, getting unexpected results :d |
| 17:50.24 | VIad | Jamash: what are you making? |
| 17:50.44 | Jamash | Vlad: The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to get Learning Aid working with Mists of Pandaria |
| 17:51.02 | VIad | I hate the spellbook btw |
| 17:51.06 | Jamash | ME TOO |
| 17:51.07 | VIad | so easy to taint and break that shit |
| 17:51.28 | Jamash | even ignoring taint, working with the API is a giant pain |
| 17:51.32 | foxlit | problem exists between chair and keyboard. |
| 17:51.42 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/YCjBu3pT << RE errors are the best errors. You want context? Fuck you. |
| 17:51.44 | Jamash | separation of concerns is not one of blizzard's concerns |
| 17:52.15 | Semlar | there was an error somewhere, what more do you want |
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| 17:52.44 | Jamash | So for example, I would design a spellbook API that takes a filter as an argument and returns the spell IDs that match |
| 17:53.19 | Jamash | Blizzard's api is an *almost* (but not quite) 1-to-1 match of what you actually see in the spellbook |
| 17:53.25 | Jamash | which sucks |
| 17:53.37 | Jamash | if you want to, say, do anything but implement Blizzard's spellbook GUI |
| 17:53.56 | VIad | the spellbook GUI could need giant overhauling |
| 17:54.06 | Jamash | I'm thinking about it |
| 17:54.14 | VIad | I am sure you can even make everything you can do appear in one dialog :P |
| 17:54.17 | Jamash | It really needs to be taken out back and shot |
| 17:55.43 | Jamash | For example, spells you don't know yet have spellbook slots and are tagged "FUTURESPELL" in GetSpellBookItemInfo |
| 17:56.23 | Jamash | however, if you call the utility function FindSpellBookSlotBySpellID(id) on a FUTURESPELL you get nil |
| 17:56.31 | Jamash | why? because fuck you, that's why |
| 17:57.50 | foxlit | hey, I use that behaviour. |
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| 17:58.36 | Jamash | I'm trying to implement a consistent spellbook interface and there's nothing consistent about the spellbook |
| 17:59.02 | Jamash | There should be a single, persistent identifier for each spell. There isn't. |
| 17:59.03 | VIad | problem |
| 17:59.06 | VIad | combat and spellbook |
| 17:59.07 | VIad | glhf |
| 17:59.15 | Jamash | I don't care, I'm not doing anything in combat |
| 17:59.20 | VIad | can't even make your own probably - how do you paginate in combat? :P |
| 17:59.30 | foxlit | with skill and finesse. |
| 17:59.35 | Jamash | Except printing "Cannot do that in combat" |
| 17:59.46 | Jamash | Vlad: I don't |
| 17:59.51 | Jamash | No pages = no pagination |
| 17:59.55 | VIad | yeah |
| 18:00.09 | Jamash | if your screen isn't big enough that's not my problem |
| 18:00.48 | foxlit | Jamash: you rather blatantly want the API to provide more information than the default UI needs. |
| 18:00.57 | Jamash | foxlit: yes |
| 18:01.00 | Semlar | calling :StartMoving() on a scrollchild doesn't appear to do anything any more |
| 18:01.07 | VIad | no clue how on earth opie works in combat |
| 18:01.15 | Semlar | magic |
| 18:01.17 | VIad | just btw - like so many frames moving around |
| 18:01.17 | Jamash | Vlad: Overlays and shit |
| 18:01.35 | Semlar | you can get the mouse position from the restricted environment |
| 18:01.38 | Jamash | Secure blah de blah header etc |
| 18:01.49 | VIad | I always assumed the secure framework sucks |
| 18:01.51 | VIad | limited |
| 18:01.53 | VIad | like no pagination |
| 18:02.03 | Jamash | opie doesn't use pages either |
| 18:02.14 | Semlar | pretty sure you could make pages in the secure environment.. |
| 18:02.23 | Jamash | If you hated yourself, yeah |
| 18:02.36 | foxlit | For my next trick, I'm doing macros. But nevermind that. |
| 18:02.53 | foxlit | Actually, asking you to draw up how you think opie works in combat is a fun exercise: it's annoyingly convoluted by this point. |
| 18:03.14 | VIad | the visuals are probably just visuals |
| 18:03.23 | VIad | the actuall buttons aren't visible to the eye |
| 18:03.25 | Jamash | My problem is a lot of spellbook stuff is implemented in C++ magic |
| 18:03.43 | Jamash | automorphing spells and whatnot |
| 18:04.13 | foxlit | For example, you could put the ExtraActionButton in an opie ring, and have it only show up if you have an ability using that button. How does that work? It's a mystery to everyone. |
| 18:04.41 | Semlar | gently pats foxlit |
| 18:05.16 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.27 | Jamash | Vlad: Because it would confuse most people |
| 18:05.33 | Jamash | It certainly confuses me. |
| 18:05.41 | VIad | feels like making visually pleasing animations is not welcomed |
| 18:05.45 | Jamash | I should implement a tab ribbon |
| 18:05.47 | VIad | dont need to be exactly like OPie |
| 18:05.50 | Jamash | action bar ribbon |
| 18:05.51 | Jamash | thingy |
| 18:06.07 | Jamash | actually I shouldn't |
| 18:06.08 | Semlar | i can't even imagine why blizzard would consider implementing anything like that into the default interface |
| 18:06.45 | VIad | no but |
| 18:06.51 | VIad | world map could be more nice, like carbonite |
| 18:06.57 | VIad | they got the brains |
| 18:07.01 | VIad | they could make the map nicer :P |
| 18:07.04 | VIad | gw2 got nice map |
| 18:07.12 | VIad | feels modern yet usable |
| 18:07.55 | Semlar | they would have to redraw like every map |
| 18:08.28 | VIad | just use the minimap textures as base and make an awesome way to fluently navigate the map, drag around, scroll zoom in and out, e.g. |
| 18:08.37 | VIad | so many ways to make it nicer :3 |
| 18:08.56 | Jamash | They tend do the minimum necessary to make things work at all |
| 18:09.02 | foxlit | oh dammit. |
| 18:09.04 | VIad | not the blizz I know |
| 18:09.10 | Semlar | the minimap textures aren't really very practical to use as a base for the map |
| 18:09.12 | VIad | they did awesome work in vanilla |
| 18:09.14 | Jamash | and only adopt stuff from addons when they become overwhelmingly popular |
| 18:09.29 | foxlit | remind me to whine at Iriel and alestane the next time they're around; they broke unpack. |
| 18:09.43 | VIad | whats broken about it foxlit? |
| 18:09.51 | Jamash | especially if they're considered mandatory for certain activities |
| 18:10.09 | foxlit | http://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/18291/RestrictedInfrastructure.lua#476 |
| 18:10.33 | VIad | why does that break things? |
| 18:10.44 | VIad | because THEY use unpack themselves like that? |
| 18:10.47 | VIad | taint? |
| 18:12.07 | Jamash | which is why we have boss ability announcements, dynamic raid frames, spell notifications, the dungeon journal, scrolling combat text, and so on |
| 18:12.18 | Semlar | quest. locations. |
| 18:12.24 | Jamash | yeah that |
| 18:12.48 | Semlar | let's call harken back to when you had no idea where a quest objective was |
| 18:12.53 | VIad | btw, might be nostalgia goggles, but I think the vanilla patching system was awesome. the way the devs added content, almost major content each month or two, 0.1 patches had new stuff to do! |
| 18:12.55 | Jamash | everyone had zorba's questhelper |
| 18:13.39 | VIad | then came a point when patching wasn't so popular, instead they make an expansion and add stuff, add some smaller stuff after, no really huge major additions until next expansion |
| 18:13.39 | Jamash | Vlad: They were desperate to get things working at all, roll out new raids, rebalance classes, introduce pvp |
| 18:13.45 | VIad | yes |
| 18:13.51 | VIad | yet people say they got a larger dev team now |
| 18:14.04 | Dagmar | You can tell some of htem are new |
| 18:14.06 | VIad | I doubt its larger than vanilla - yet they got much more revenue now than vanilla days |
| 18:14.09 | Jamash | basically the reason there were so many patches was because the game was missing a lot of stuff |
| 18:14.12 | Jamash | it |
| 18:14.16 | Jamash | it's much more mature now |
| 18:14.25 | Semlar | nothing slows down development like adding more manpower |
| 18:15.00 | Gethe | they also didnt have hotfixes like now. everthing needed a patch |
| 18:15.01 | VIad | they already say they are gonna add tanaan in 6.1 or something, heirloom box, probavbly more stuff getting pushed back |
| 18:15.01 | Jamash | Read it and learn, young padawan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month |
| 18:15.02 | Dagmar | Yes but it's let me find more server crashing bugs, which is a plus |
| 18:15.21 | Jamash | Blood elves |
| 18:15.30 | Dagmar | Oh we don't need blood elves. |
| 18:15.32 | VIad | so many older expansions adding so much content, yet they managed to meet the deadline |
| 18:15.40 | VIad | why is WOD so special and slow all of the sudden? |
| 18:15.41 | Jamash | gonna be real funny with all the new models running around and blood elves going :[ |
| 18:15.56 | Jamash | Vlad: When has Blizzard ever made a deadline for anything? |
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| 18:16.19 | Dagmar | They can just tell them there was a shortage of Aqua-Net |
| 18:16.29 | VIad | shrug. I just find it odd how slow WOD is going :P |
| 18:16.40 | Dagmar | It's actually going pretty fast... _now_ |
| 18:17.06 | VIad | feels like they should have focused more on developing than making their screenshots nice for last blizzcon :P |
| 18:17.10 | Jamash | http://wowpedia.org/Blizzard_Time |
| 18:17.29 | smcn | every time i've felt a beta was going slow the next patch basically added everything |
| 18:17.30 | Jamash | the garrison is a pretty ambitious feature |
| 18:17.36 | Gethe | i think its not so much that wod is slow, but that MIst was a bit too fast. they could have delayed each raid at least a month or two |
| 18:17.49 | Jamash | yeah they need to pace content better |
| 18:18.01 | VIad | btw TBC had awesome raid progresssion |
| 18:18.08 | VIad | you could see the patch add the next raid tier |
| 18:18.09 | Jamash | especially since new content renders old content totally obsolete now |
| 18:18.22 | VIad | yet you had to first finish the current one - this way it was a nice "oh soon we go there, let's finish this up!" |
| 18:18.31 | VIad | just felt better paced if you ask me |
| 18:18.40 | Jamash | Vlad: only awesome if you were at the leading edge |
| 18:18.51 | VIad | well |
| 18:18.56 | VIad | my guild wasnt on the front lines |
| 18:18.57 | Jamash | If not, get owned. |
| 18:18.58 | VIad | we were two tiers behind |
| 18:19.04 | VIad | we still had fun progressing |
| 18:19.23 | VIad | it's childish to think you can be on the same place as other guilds, on the front lines, if you didn't start early like they :P |
| 18:19.38 | smcn | cataclysm i pretty much skipped entirely and didn't play mop until 5.1 was already out, i thought it was incredible how easy it is to catch up now which imo is a good thing |
| 18:19.44 | Jamash | My guild tried to go from Kara to ZA at which point we learned Blizzard hadn't actually figured out that there were guilds that didn't want to do 25s |
| 18:19.46 | foxlit | it's childish to play games in general. |
| 18:19.55 | foxlit | real adults only do so for professional development, or something. |
| 18:19.56 | Jamash | ^ |
| 18:20.11 | VIad | you can play a game and be behind on content progress and have fun :P |
| 18:20.21 | Semlar | maybe YOU can |
| 18:20.32 | Semlar | i clearly need to be the best |
| 18:20.37 | VIad | lol |
| 18:20.37 | Jamash | ZA was 1.5 to 2 tiers ahead of Kara, so trying to gear up was punishing as hell |
| 18:20.58 | Jamash | er, 2 to 2.5 |
| 18:21.07 | Jamash | basically missing a tier inbetween |
| 18:21.22 | VIad | I never remember much issues with ZA and such |
| 18:21.23 | Jamash | no I was right the first time |
| 18:21.23 | VIad | or Kara |
| 18:21.36 | VIad | Kara was actually quite fun |
| 18:21.38 | VIad | miniraid :) |
| 18:21.46 | Jamash | nothing mini about kara |
| 18:21.53 | VIad | minibigraid |
| 18:21.54 | VIad | :D |
| 18:21.58 | VIad | we had two raid groups for it |
| 18:22.12 | Semlar | karazhan is huge |
| 18:22.40 | kd3 | karazhan is also an indictment of wow's map system |
| 18:22.43 | Jamash | 12 encounters, 22 bosses |
| 18:22.44 | foxlit | Jamash: personally, I think you should look into just shipping a giant dictionary with LearningAid, avoiding hte spellbook api altogether. |
| 18:23.03 | Jamash | foxlit: patches welcome |
| 18:23.55 | foxlit | hah, maybe one day. |
| 18:24.39 | foxlit | I had a similar api problem with action slots being a horrible abstraction for adding more action bars; now implementing the third kitchen sink. |
| 18:24.50 | Jamash | yeah |
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| 18:27.16 | VIad | Semlar: seen the guy who made wow into minecraft? |
| 18:27.51 | Jamash | then there's the terrible function naming, consider IsPassiveSpell vs IsSpellKnown |
| 18:28.00 | VIad | it's old but fun http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/show-your-creation/screenshots/1595918-crafting-azeroth |
| 18:28.39 | p3lim | 18645 is just a exe update? |
| 18:28.43 | Jamash | which ought to be named SpellIsKnown and SpellIsPassive |
| 18:28.47 | kd3 | yes |
| 18:28.51 | kd3 | mainly for garrison fixes |
| 18:28.58 | Jamash | not respectively |
| 18:29.00 | p3lim | alright |
| 18:29.16 | p3lim | Jamash: Isn't it IsPlayerSpell, not IsSpellKnown? |
| 18:29.17 | VIad | Jamash: shouldn't all bools be like "is" or "has" in front? |
| 18:29.32 | VIad | "can" and such |
| 18:29.43 | Semlar | not if you want to sort anything |
| 18:29.48 | VIad | well, best is ofc to group up in C_ |
| 18:29.51 | VIad | C_SpellBook |
| 18:29.57 | VIad | add all related to it there |
| 18:29.59 | Jamash | p3lim: those both exist -_- |
| 18:30.05 | VIad | C_Map |
| 18:30.06 | p3lim | Jamash: and they do the same? |
| 18:30.30 | p3lim | I prefer IsSomeThing to SomeIsThing |
| 18:31.14 | Jamash | IsPlayerKnown works with spell overrides |
| 18:31.16 | Jamash | hey, that's cool |
| 18:31.27 | Jamash | I didn't know that existed |
| 18:31.31 | Jamash | that simplifies things |
| 18:31.52 | p3lim | I didn't even know IsSpellKnown existed :p |
| 18:31.53 | Jamash | er, IsPlayerSpell |
| 18:31.55 | smcn | p3lim: yeah b/c you're basically asking the function a question and it's telling you yes/no |
| 18:32.11 | Jamash | smcn: this is programming, english grammar has nothing to do with it |
| 18:32.19 | p3lim | exactly how a boolean function is expected to work |
| 18:32.34 | VIad | I am going out to buy a small cake! |
| 18:32.35 | Jamash | I much prefer Spell.Known() |
| 18:32.44 | Jamash | which is what I'm working on implementing |
| 18:32.45 | p3lim | Spell.IsKnown |
| 18:33.13 | Jamash | Spell.GetWhetherOrNotThisSpellIsKnownByTheCurrentPlayerCharacterAsABoolean() |
| 18:33.24 | p3lim | perfect! |
| 18:33.37 | Jamash | -_- |
| 18:33.57 | Semlar | this is how i feel about things like C_Vignettes.GetVignetteInfoFromInstanceID |
| 18:34.08 | VIad | all API worthy of mention start with __firstLetterIsLowercase() |
| 18:34.13 | p3lim | yeah that one is a bit over the top |
| 18:34.17 | foxlit | -> .GetInfo() |
| 18:34.23 | Semlar | like, there's literally 3 vignette functions |
| 18:34.28 | Jamash | what's all this C_ stuff |
| 18:34.30 | Semlar | how verbose does it need to be |
| 18:34.47 | foxlit | IsKnown(...) -> not not GetSpellInfo(GetSpellInfo(...)) |
| 18:34.49 | p3lim | C_Vignettes.GetInfoFromInstanceID should be enough |
| 18:35.05 | VIad | why not just GetInfo though? |
| 18:35.06 | Semlar | you can't even get info from anything else |
| 18:35.12 | VIad | not many other "GetInfo" to confuse it with :p |
| 18:35.19 | p3lim | oh, ok |
| 18:35.30 | Jamash | Vignettes.GetVignette(instanceID).GetVignetteInfoFromVignette() |
| 18:35.30 | p3lim | did not know that, then indeed the FromInstanceID part is stupid |
| 18:35.36 | Semlar | not to mention it's no longer an instanceID, it's now a GUID |
| 18:35.40 | VIad | UNLESS they plan to add more API to that lib! |
| 18:36.04 | p3lim | It's a major version, they are allowed to break things, so I hope that one gets renamed |
| 18:36.16 | VIad | I hope they add Z coordinates |
| 18:36.19 | Jamash | Spell["Isn'tPassive"]() |
| 18:36.28 | VIad | those arrows should point up/down to their targets :P |
| 18:36.40 | Semlar | i can't tilt the model anyway |
| 18:36.53 | VIad | isn't it doable? |
| 18:37.01 | p3lim | you mean the arrow? |
| 18:37.05 | VIad | yes |
| 18:37.13 | VIad | pitch yaw roll |
| 18:37.15 | Semlar | only with some models, pretty much exclusively units |
| 18:37.28 | Semlar | and it's basically a hack |
| 18:37.42 | VIad | but all this is pointless as long we can't read Z axis |
| 18:37.44 | p3lim | haven't touched models in like forever, so I don't know how they work |
| 18:37.48 | p3lim | not my kinda thing |
| 18:37.55 | Semlar | i can figure out if the unit is above or below you |
| 18:37.59 | VIad | how? |
| 18:38.11 | p3lim | actually |
| 18:38.13 | foxlit | minimap tells you. |
| 18:38.14 | Semlar | it's in the tooltip when you hover over it on the minimap |
| 18:38.15 | VIad | I know the ^ v icons on the tooltip on the minimap |
| 18:38.21 | VIad | but you can't get that data |
| 18:38.25 | Semlar | that's not true |
| 18:38.29 | p3lim | could I possibly "cut" a model horizontally using scrollframes? |
| 18:38.30 | VIad | what? |
| 18:38.35 | Semlar | i can read the tooltip |
| 18:38.38 | VIad | yes |
| 18:38.40 | Semlar | i just have to break the minimap |
| 18:38.43 | Jamash | I can break these cuffs |
| 18:38.43 | VIad | but it requires player interaction |
| 18:38.47 | Semlar | no |
| 18:38.52 | Semlar | i can put the minimap under the cursor |
| 18:38.56 | VIad | :P |
| 18:38.57 | Jamash | lolololol |
| 18:38.59 | Semlar | read the tooltip and put it back |
| 18:39.04 | Jamash | TAINTED |
| 18:39.08 | Semlar | no taint! |
| 18:39.10 | VIad | ! |
| 18:39.12 | Jamash | really |
| 18:39.17 | Semlar | why would that taint anything |
| 18:39.21 | Jamash | I don't know |
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| 18:39.32 | Semlar | i mean, they probably don't want you doing that |
| 18:39.34 | p3lim | why isn't zork on irc, gah |
| 18:39.35 | VIad | CreateFrame"Minimap" ? |
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| 18:39.43 | Jamash | I've never dealt with taint much |
| 18:39.47 | Semlar | in fact |
| 18:39.56 | Semlar | man, i don't even have to break the minimap |
| 18:40.00 | Semlar | i didn't think about that |
| 18:40.02 | VIad | :D |
| 18:40.12 | Semlar | i could do this without moving your real minimap since i know where the icon is |
| 18:40.14 | VIad | I think the special queue status minimap button could break |
| 18:40.38 | VIad | the one you use to join/leave dungeons, bgs, arena, e.g. |
| 18:40.47 | VIad | that dropdown is sensitive and breaks if you smell it |
| 18:40.56 | VIad | had issues with it when playing with some minimap stuff in the old days |
| 18:41.12 | Semlar | i don't have to move the real minimap |
| 18:41.20 | Semlar | i just need to hide it while i create my own |
| 18:41.28 | Semlar | so don't worry about tainting anything |
| 18:41.49 | Jamash | p3lim: you should set up twitch plays zork |
| 18:41.51 | Semlar | you can have more than one minimap it just freaks the blips out if they're different sizes |
| 18:43.15 | Jamash | ah yes, the ultimate solution to taint: hide all the original blizzard frames and replace them with exact duplicates :X |
| 18:43.51 | Semlar | even if i had to move the frame it wouldn't taint anything |
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| 18:44.44 | Semlar | i don't even think the minimap buttons are anchored to the minimap itself |
| 18:44.59 | Semlar | should be part of the cluster |
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| 18:51.13 | Jamash | how the heck does SUF taint the chat frame |
| 18:52.16 | Jamash | please tell me it's not tainting _G |
| 18:53.06 | Semlar | taints jamash |
| 18:53.46 | Dagmar | People _want_ the taint. |
| 18:56.18 | Jamash | so taintlog 1 is brief and cryptic, while taintlog 2 is overwhelmingly verbose and cryptic |
| 18:56.20 | Jamash | awesome |
| 18:57.16 | Semlar | you don't even want to know what taintlog 3 does |
| 18:58.08 | Jamash | nothing? |
| 18:58.45 | Jamash | ~taint |
| 18:58.46 | purl | ACTION calls a few functions and nothing is secure any longer. |
| 18:58.49 | Jamash | ~tainted |
| 18:58.49 | purl | SUBMIT YOURSELF TO THE TAINT! |
| 18:58.52 | Jamash | there we go |
| 18:59.01 | Dagmar | The taint is what sells magazines. |
| 18:59.57 | Jamash | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyN3iGuMTu0 |
| 19:04.08 | Sharparam | there seems to be an issue when importing translations on curseforge that contain "namespaces", like this file: http://git.io/uy7hNA It will complain about "Got non-string table value". Is this intended behaviour? Manually importing each section to the proper namespace is quite a pain :/ |
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| 19:21.39 | jleclanche | Anyone US-based who wants a Google Domains invite? |
| 19:21.42 | jleclanche | this is a one-time offer |
| 19:21.55 | Primer | What is it? |
| 19:22.02 | jleclanche | google as a registrar |
| 19:22.21 | Primer | and you need an invite for that? |
| 19:22.23 | Primer | wtf |
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| 19:22.39 | Primer | ahh I see they're all into those new TLDs |
| 19:25.33 | foxlit | Sharparam: not sure, but namespaces (and the curseforge localization ui) seem like a pain in general; I ended up just using flat string maps for everything. |
| 19:26.07 | Kaelten | yeah I never used namespaces in my localizations |
| 19:26.47 | Sharparam | it gives some nice organizational feel to the code imo :P |
| 19:27.06 | Sharparam | might have to redesign though, i don't much fancy updating each namespace manually |
| 19:29.09 | foxlit | also annoying: syncing the phrase list to actual code. |
| 19:30.54 | Sharparam | importing or exporting? |
| 19:31.24 | p3lim | is there some way of doing this: 230 - (230 * min / max) |
| 19:31.40 | Sharparam | i'm not using curseforge repo for this project, so i'd have to pull phrases from curseforge to code manually or some script using the api |
| 19:31.41 | foxlit | both, but importing is way harder. |
| 19:31.43 | p3lim | better way* |
| 19:32.06 | Sharparam | well if you don't use namespaces it's just copy source file into the import textbox and hit import? |
| 19:32.18 | foxlit | I don't have a source file. |
| 19:32.34 | foxlit | It's just :SetText(L"This string is in English") all over the place. |
| 19:32.39 | Sharparam | ah |
| 19:33.10 | Sharparam | write a tool to analyze code and spit out all the L calls? :P |
| 19:33.10 | foxlit | and ocassionally L("This string would be in English" .. butHereIsAVariable .. withAFunction(call)) |
| 19:33.30 | nevcairiel | foxlit: I have a lua script that exports all phrases from code |
| 19:33.30 | Sharparam | i use format strings for that |
| 19:33.51 | nevcairiel | Its actually Shadowed's script iirc |
| 19:33.57 | foxlit | I'm exagerating. |
| 19:34.08 | foxlit | it's more like L(someObject.caption or "Default caption") |
| 19:35.00 | foxlit | nevcairiel: and does it cope with ^? |
| 19:35.23 | nevcairiel | No |
| 19:35.30 | Semlar | p3lim: 230 * (1-min/max), not that it makes much difference |
| 19:44.23 | foxlit | What's the current story with macro length limits for addons? |
| 19:46.38 | foxlit | /macro stuff caps out at 255 codepoints(?), RunMacroText at like 1k the last time I checked; did someone fix those in an addon yet? |
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| 21:25.27 | p3lim | Anyone on the beta servers right now? I need to test something in a party/raid |
| 21:25.34 | Semlar | i'm on |
| 21:25.37 | Semlar | the horde pve 100 server |
| 21:25.41 | p3lim | alright, I'll brt |
| 21:25.50 | Semlar | i'm on semlarjr |
| 21:28.02 | p3lim | just had to create a char |
| 21:38.01 | TC-Work | We can't handle semalrsr, let alone semlarjr |
| 21:45.58 | foxlit | heh, where's the limit on script execution time in combat when you actually need it? |
| 21:46.14 | foxlit | I'm meleeing a dummy, running some code, and wow still freezes as if caught in an infinite loop somewhere in addon code. |
| 21:46.59 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 21:48.02 | foxlit | recovered 20 seconds later, no error. |
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| 21:50.53 | Jamash | semlariiiesq |
| 21:53.51 | Semlar | there can be only one |
| 21:54.35 | foxlit | so the good news is that I did have an infinite loop, and it was silly, and I fixed it. |
| 21:54.45 | foxlit | the bad news was that I did eventually get the "script ran too long" error. |
| 21:54.58 | foxlit | so that's still (1) not removed (2) subject to race conditions. |
| 21:55.45 | Semlar | on the plus side i get a big lua error in the middle of my screen every time i raid from libperiodictable because of that |
| 21:56.44 | foxlit | bug report, imo. |
| 21:57.33 | Semlar | i just uncheck "show lua errors" whenever raid, thus solving the problem forever |
| 21:58.30 | Semlar | i'm not even sure which addon uses it |
| 21:59.44 | foxlit | problem: malfunctioning ceiling fan causes terrible noise. solution: wear noise-cancelling headphones. |
| 21:59.49 | Semlar | i don't use any of the ones listed under reverse relationships |
| 22:00.12 | foxlit | cd Interface/Addons && grep -r PeriodicTablee |
| 22:00.17 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.43 | Semlar | i'm sure it's datastore |
| 22:00.53 | Semlar | altoholic is like the only addon i use that would make any sense |
| 22:01.21 | Semlar | i should reeeeeeally just make my own addon for this |
| 22:01.56 | Semlar | the only thing i use altoholic for is tracking my inventory on other characters |
| 22:02.13 | Semlar | and it seems to have some issues |
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| 22:16.23 | kd3 | gah. I'm keeping track of 562 "vignettes" (rares/treasures) so far |
| 22:17.00 | Maldivia | kd3: including if the player has already killed it or not? |
| 22:17.21 | kd3 | yup, I suppose I should be more specific in saying 562 vignette tracking quests |
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| 22:18.20 | Maldivia | :) |
| 22:21.40 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/bKbQNLqz |
| 22:22.31 | foxlit | resynthesizing the [@target] conditional after calling OptionsParse seems yucky. |
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| 22:24.28 | VIad | foxlit: I've sometimes encountered it too - NO clue what does it. But the game can lock up for 30 sec in combat and usually I am found dead after it ends. No errors, no ways to figure out what the hell did it. |
| 22:24.39 | VIad | worst part is it's so rare I have no clue what addon causes it either |
| 22:24.51 | p3lim | can I query auras by spellID? |
| 22:24.57 | p3lim | or is that still not a thing? |
| 22:27.57 | VIad | p3lim: you can't I think |
| 22:28.18 | VIad | can GetSpellInfo the name and then query using it |
| 22:31.22 | VIad | UnitBuff(GetSpellInfo(1337)) |
| 22:31.32 | VIad | or better yet cache GetSpellInfo two arguments and pass them on |
| 22:31.34 | VIad | ofc "player" :p |
| 22:37.44 | Maldivia | VIad: problem with that is when there are multiple buffs with the same name |
| 22:38.13 | VIad | jupp |
| 22:38.14 | VIad | game over |
| 22:38.19 | VIad | or texture checking in additionm |
| 22:38.21 | VIad | otherwise game over |
| 22:38.21 | VIad | :P |
| 22:38.29 | Maldivia | for instance the 1000 different Well Fed buffs :p |
| 22:39.14 | foxlit | as long as they're all mutually exclusive... |
| 22:39.18 | Maldivia | but UnitAura does return spellId now, so you can check that |
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| 22:43.35 | VIad | ugh |
| 22:43.41 | VIad | would be better if you can just query with a spellid |
| 22:43.54 | VIad | instead of iterating all buffs all the time :d |
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| 22:54.50 | Neffi | <VIad> http://ss.bool.no/capture_1406818799.png pink :p <- :D |
| 23:07.17 | Jamash | this is an actual string constant in one of my Hack snippets: "\"/\"" |
| 23:07.56 | Jamash | I suppose I could use '"/"' instead |
| 23:11.37 | Neffi | does Hack even still work? |
| 23:11.59 | Neffi | I've been using Devpad myself |
| 23:12.35 | foxlit | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/project-340/ |
| 23:12.59 | Neffi | I like Devpad better :| |
| 23:13.05 | Jamash | of course IsSpellClassOrSpec returns in the order Spec, Class |
| 23:13.14 | Jamash | dammit blizz |
| 23:14.20 | Jamash | Hack was last updated in 2013, making it the most current :P |
| 23:15.03 | foxlit | and LuaPad had ##Interface:1300 before I had to change it due to BC. :P |
| 23:15.13 | Jamash | Hack has some nice features |
| 23:15.21 | foxlit | LuaPad has a textbox. |
| 23:15.26 | Jamash | categorization, autorun, syntax coloring |
| 23:15.35 | foxlit | in a scroll frame! |
| 23:15.39 | Neffi | https://i.imgur.com/aen4aHL.gif oh god, I'm having an allergy attack just looking at this |
| 23:15.47 | Jamash | the autorun is super nice when I'm trying to debug event ordering on login |
| 23:16.02 | Neffi | Yeah, Devpad does all that. And you don't have to click a separate tab to see your categories |
| 23:16.51 | Ressy | geeeez |
| 23:17.14 | Jamash | Neffi: Seems legit |
| 23:17.58 | Neffi | Thank god air filters caught on |
| 23:19.40 | Neffi | https://imgur.com/gallery/NwiGh |
| 23:19.42 | Neffi | Cairenn: ^ |
| 23:20.01 | Cairenn | awwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 23:31.40 | VIad | hmm |
| 23:37.13 | Jamash | Neffi: http://bigcatrescue.org/abuse-issues/issues/pet-cubs/ |
| 23:38.41 | Semlar | tracks kd3 |
| 23:40.32 | Neffi | Jamash: I entirely ignored the people on imgur pointing to that for a reason |
| 23:40.41 | Jamash | Neffi: Which is? |
| 23:40.59 | Neffi | It's a zoo that doesn't appear to be charging for the petting. The animal is not carted around the country or anything like that |
| 23:41.09 | Neffi | Literally nothing applies expect the very last point. |
| 23:41.27 | Neffi | And if it was that significant, it wouldn't be mentioned in passing |
| 23:41.58 | Neffi | Assuming by default that the zoo is treating their animals badly or not giving them proper care is just cynical |
| 23:43.10 | Jamash | The tiger's nose is clearly injured |
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| 23:50.16 | Neffi | " Mangle ( Cat Form) has been removed." wtf am I reading? |
| 23:50.36 | Semlar | patch notes? |
| 23:50.41 | znf | the removal of the useless mangle ability |
| 23:50.44 | Semlar | what kind of guessing game is this |
| 23:50.48 | znf | or, rather, the merge of mangle and shred |
| 23:50.54 | znf | or the removal of the retarded positional thingie for shred |
| 23:50.58 | znf | take your pick |
| 23:50.59 | Neffi | znf: ohh, okay, I see |
| 23:51.11 | Neffi | I was like "lol wtf how do I hit stuff now?" |
| 23:51.28 | znf | or, "cleaning up button bloat" |
| 23:51.37 | znf | want me to go on? :D |
| 23:51.45 | VIad | Semlar: hmm... if I got a frame I can SetPoint so it appears on the right position. But if I parent it then the UI scale will distort where the frame is. :/ |
| 23:52.08 | Semlar | yes |
| 23:53.18 | Neffi | znf: I'm still reading but I'm seriously wondering, are ferals just not allowed to CC anymore? |
| 23:53.25 | Neffi | PvP seems like it's gonna suck as a feral |
| 23:53.33 | znf | Everyone got CCs removed :) |
| 23:53.48 | Neffi | I think the only thing we didnt get removed is hard-casted roots |
| 23:53.54 | Neffi | Even Nature's Grasp is gone |
| 23:54.20 | Neffi | Ferals were not exactly CC kings after we long NS 'clone. Letting us keep hard clone only seems sane |
| 23:54.40 | znf | You didn't read the other classes, did you? :P |
| 23:54.42 | Semlar | did they give cc to ferals at some point because we didn't have anything but cyclone and roots and you had to shift out for both |
| 23:55.06 | Neffi | znf: Going little by little. Started with rogue and pretty happy with those changes. Looked at feral and said "fuck, I guess I'm playing rogue" |
| 23:55.11 | znf | Priests lost their lvl10 aoe fear, for example |
| 23:55.12 | znf | it's now a talent |
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| 23:55.33 | Neffi | Semlar: 20% chance per combo point to make 'clone and roots insta-castable in-form (but then clone got removed from that) |
| 23:55.52 | Neffi | also NS, which is a button that makes cyclone (or other stuff) instant cast and free |
| 23:55.59 | Semlar | probably because that sounds op as hell |
| 23:56.03 | Neffi | (which we also dont have anymore) |
| 23:56.27 | Neffi | that's fine. but now ferals lost access to cyclone altogether. so we're back to no real CC at all |
| 23:56.37 | Neffi | who's gonna shift out to root somebody when roots sucks ass? |
| 23:56.47 | Neffi | takes longer to cast than it lasts |
| 23:58.01 | Semlar | in my day ferals were just faster than everyone and mangle slowed them so it was almost impossible to get away from you without even having to cc anyone |
| 23:58.38 | Neffi | Feral mobility is still a strong point. |
| 23:59.57 | znf | well, Rake stuns |
