| 00:02.12 | Amarande | Gnomish, I guess. (Although they do run pretty hot. :P) |
| 00:17.09 | Dagmar | "explody" is the word I'd use. |
| 00:17.20 | Dagmar | Frankly it's a wonder there are gnomes left. |
| 00:17.31 | Dagmar | Who fucks up their home city? |
| 00:17.44 | Dagmar | How have they survived _this long_? |
| 00:19.09 | Dagmar | They are dangerous little anklebiters and frankly, Dwarven architecture is strong, but even it has limits. |
| 00:19.40 | Dagmar | So... it's Cyrix you're thinking of. |
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| 00:51.38 | kd3 | sweet! there are competent config tools for the roccat savu in linux |
| 01:19.04 | foxlit | x, x[1] = {}, 2 |
| 01:28.09 | Kesava | kd3 you just posted on that mob tagging thread and i saw it and omg coincidences |
| 01:28.50 | kd3 | tap is a concept that has had it's time. we need to move past it |
| 01:28.57 | Kesava | indeed |
| 01:35.14 | Kesava | what's that named mob they added this build that they apparently forgot to disable tagging for |
| 01:35.29 | Kesava | in the starting area. in a choke point. |
| 01:35.47 | kd3 | in tanaan? oh, the gronn right before you get up on the worldbreaker |
| 01:35.54 | Kesava | yees |
| 01:42.55 | foxlit | Semlar: write me some code? :) |
| 01:43.21 | Semlar | i think you can write better code than i could |
| 01:44.20 | foxlit | But in this case, itâd take too long for the expected benefit. |
| 01:44.29 | Semlar | i see how it is |
| 01:44.53 | foxlit | Can you /click a nameplate to target its unit? |
| 01:44.53 | Semlar | what do you want it to do |
| 01:44.58 | Semlar | yeah |
| 01:45.02 | Semlar | er |
| 01:45.04 | Semlar | you mean a macro? |
| 01:45.08 | foxlit | yes. |
| 01:45.08 | Semlar | no |
| 01:45.23 | Semlar | the clickable portion of the nameplate is actually part of the world frame |
| 01:45.48 | Semlar | so you're actually clicking on the world frame and it has an interactive area if you have nameplates enabled |
| 01:45.52 | foxlit | so thereâs no way to target based on them short of the user clicking the actual nameplate. |
| 01:45.59 | Semlar | correct |
| 01:46.04 | Semlar | but it IS possible to move the nameplate |
| 01:46.17 | Semlar | the clickable area follows the frame itself |
| 01:46.21 | Semlar | even though it isn't the frame |
| 01:46.48 | Semlar | i was able to move the clicky part from the restricted environment |
| 01:47.00 | foxlit | that doesnât really work for me. Pity. |
| 01:47.11 | Semlar | you can resize it too |
| 01:47.58 | Semlar | but it follows the same rules as other unit frames so you can't know what unit the nameplate belongs to from the restricted environment or anything |
| 01:48.24 | Semlar | like you can't pull the name out of the fontstring |
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| 01:50.06 | foxlit | Thatâs less of an issue; Iâd be okay with rather abstract âtarget whatever nameplate X is currently showingâ actions. |
| 01:50.26 | Semlar | it would be nice if they'd just make them real unit frames |
| 01:50.31 | Semlar | that you could query |
| 01:51.41 | Semlar | apparently they're concerned about people exploiting the nameplates to do things like get the camera angle |
| 01:51.54 | foxlit | boooogus. |
| 01:52.34 | Semlar | but maybe someday they'll add some nameplate api functions |
| 01:52.46 | foxlit | turning on friendly nameplates and comparing names to raid members would give you the camera angle just as easily as if they had actual unit IDs. |
| 01:53.08 | Semlar | that would in fact be about the only way to get the camera angle since you can't get the exact position of enemies |
| 01:53.36 | Semlar | it's easier to tie a GUID to a player nameplate anyway, since their names are more or less unique |
| 01:54.39 | Semlar | personally i didn't see AVR causing that much of a problem |
| 01:55.13 | Semlar | i mean, it's not like you can't do something like tell someone where to stand in a 2D format |
| 01:55.37 | foxlit | Personally, Iâd kill location information in raids entirely |
| 01:56.18 | foxlit | (screw bossmods telling people theyâre too close to each other; thatâs what eyes are for!) |
| 01:57.12 | Semlar | it can sometimes be difficult to gauge distance but i wouldn't really care if they broke bossmods |
| 02:01.18 | foxlit | I think if AVR lasted for more than 1.5 raid tiers, weâd see boss mods that would make most boss fights âfollow the blue circle around your screenâ |
| 02:01.49 | foxlit | (âalso, stay out of red circles") |
| 02:05.56 | foxlit | anyhow, itâd be neat to be able to interrupt nameplate targets via key bindings, but the no-/click thing kills it. |
| 02:06.46 | foxlit | @mouseover doesnât update until the next frame after you move the nameplate, yeah? |
| 02:08.36 | Semlar | there is a delay if you use the secure mouseover macro event thing |
| 02:08.57 | Semlar | there's probably at least a 1 frame delay for just checking if @mouseover exists onupdate |
| 02:09.12 | Semlar | i don't really know |
| 02:10.20 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure i thought of a way to reanchor the nameplate when it started casting so it just took up the entire screen but i don't think i ever attempted to write that |
| 02:10.50 | foxlit | itâd be more annoying than useful. |
| 02:10.54 | Semlar | probably |
| 02:11.27 | Semlar | i'm not sure if you can parent a show/hide frame to the castbar anyway |
| 02:12.08 | Semlar | the idea was basically just make a secure show/hide template frame, parent it to the nameplate's castbar, and when it showed itself resize the nameplate |
| 02:13.40 | Kesava | .. did you get around not being able to resize the click area in combat or something? |
| 02:13.47 | Semlar | yes |
| 02:13.58 | Semlar | i can resize the clickable area in response to secure events |
| 02:14.04 | Kesava | well that sounds like something they wouldn't want |
| 02:14.07 | Kesava | ah |
| 02:14.14 | Semlar | same as any other unit frame |
| 02:14.25 | Semlar | well, except that the nameplates control themselves and move around |
| 02:14.34 | Semlar | so possibly not quite the same implications |
| 02:14.38 | Torhal | Kinda like Semlar. |
| 02:14.53 | Thunder_Child | Nothing is like Semlar. |
| 02:15.02 | Torhal | :/ |
| 02:15.12 | Semlar | in my nameplate addon i rescale the nameplates every time you have a @mouseover event |
| 02:15.34 | Semlar | it's not terribly efficient but they stay scaled when they get recycled so it's slightly better than using a set size |
| 02:16.19 | Semlar | although i THINK if you made a bunch of show/hide templates and gave each new nameplate one you could make that resize the nameplate every time it was shown |
| 02:17.53 | Semlar | and the default nameplate clickable area is absurdly large |
| 02:18.03 | Semlar | they overlap all the time and it was driving me nuts |
| 02:19.03 | Semlar | also i came up with an idea for making your own nameplate spreading formula |
| 02:19.20 | Semlar | but it requires covering the screen with a grid of secure frames |
| 02:20.51 | Semlar | the key is that you don't have to keep the nameplate's clickable area in the same place as the nameplate is being displayed, so you can make it look like it's on top of the unit and only recalculate where it should be clicked after you mouse over one of the tiles |
| 02:21.14 | Kesava | right |
| 02:21.50 | Semlar | so you basically just have a ton of secure mouseover frames |
| 02:22.16 | Semlar | that when you mouse over one, it hides itself so it's not blocking the mouse, and moves the nameplates where they should be based on your design |
| 02:25.14 | Semlar | you can make the nameplates lock into the nearest grid tile |
| 02:25.23 | Semlar | so they're all neat and clickable |
| 02:25.38 | Semlar | but only when the mouse is near them |
| 02:25.57 | Semlar | and then move them back over the units when you move away |
| 02:27.04 | Semlar | i haven't tried it but i'm fairly sure it can be done |
| 02:27.29 | Kesava | an interesting concept |
| 02:27.34 | Semlar | it's just combining a couple of my previous ideas that i know work |
| 02:27.38 | Kesava | that would be better served with an actual addition to the api |
| 02:28.12 | Semlar | it would be nice if we could get better stacking for the nameplates, they can sometimes be hard to click |
| 02:28.18 | Kesava | indeed |
| 02:28.23 | Kesava | and they float off the top of the screen |
| 02:28.58 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/ie3n9KU.jpg |
| 02:30.08 | foxlit | screen so small even the gryphons donât fit. |
| 02:30.10 | Kesava | i like the 5 boxer joining in |
| 02:30.37 | Semlar | honor day |
| 02:31.21 | Semlar | i don't remember if they'd just added new armor or if it was just time for honor to be calculated |
| 02:31.47 | Kesava | it was calculated every day wasn't it |
| 02:31.53 | Semlar | it was calculated once a week |
| 02:31.57 | Kesava | oh |
| 02:31.58 | Kesava | psh |
| 02:32.12 | Semlar | so you'd have a certain number of honor kills |
| 02:32.37 | Semlar | and on the reset it would calculate your honor and your rank although i don't know about rank at level 70 |
| 02:33.16 | Semlar | were they still giving titles for that in BC? |
| 02:33.26 | Semlar | i think that might have stopped at 60 |
| 02:33.27 | foxlit | My memory says 2.0 scrapped the contribution switcharoo altogether. |
| 02:33.56 | Semlar | i know only 2 of my characters have pvp titles and i'm fairly sure it was from pvping at 60 |
| 02:33.59 | foxlit | the patch notes imply that too â âhonor points earned each day" |
| 02:34.13 | Semlar | yeah they changed the honor system multiple times |
| 02:34.16 | foxlit | so no, no weekly honor calculations at 70. Weekly conquest, maybe. |
| 02:34.36 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Honor_system_%28pre-2.0%29 |
| 02:35.13 | foxlit | then again, conquest was 4.0 |
| 02:35.23 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Honor_point_%28pre_4.0.1%29 |
| 02:36.23 | Semlar | i think in that screenshot they had just added new armor to the npc |
| 02:36.29 | foxlit | ooh, ooh, link [[Arena point]] next |
| 02:37.04 | Kesava | i completely forgot you could cap the epl towers |
| 02:37.17 | kd3 | and sandlol |
| 02:37.36 | foxlit | (I think thatâs the minimal change to Semlarâs recollection thatâd make it true â you could imagine that there would be people around the arena vendors at the weekly arena point calculation) |
| 02:37.45 | kd3 | and that's not even a shortcut on the wiki? wow, for shame |
| 02:38.03 | foxlit | now now, the main namespace is not your personal t.co/ :) |
| 02:38.12 | Semlar | it was a long time ago, i can't be bothered to remember these things |
| 02:38.13 | kd3 | lol |
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| 04:22.08 | kd3|hate`net | A mass murderer poses in a group photo with his victims. http://i.imgur.com/hR8P4mj.jpg |
| 04:33.17 | Torhal | Hah |
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| 05:13.19 | karl_w_w | funny thing is only 3 of the people in the picture are dead so far |
| 05:13.42 | karl_w_w | any reply to that message should be careful of spoilerinos |
| 05:30.43 | karl_w_w | does anyone else thing the phrase "fan favourite" is completely redundant? |
| 05:30.47 | karl_w_w | think* |
| 05:31.05 | karl_w_w | I mean, if you're a fan of something it must be your favourite |
| 05:33.21 | Semlar | you can be fans of a show and have a favorite part of it |
| 05:34.30 | Semlar | and when the majority of fans like something in particular it can be a fan favorite! |
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| 05:35.57 | Semlar | for example, neffi is my favorite fan |
| 05:36.22 | karl_w_w | oh yes sure |
| 05:36.36 | karl_w_w | but when they use it describe the whole thing |
| 05:36.53 | karl_w_w | like GTA V the fan favourite game |
| 05:37.02 | Semlar | i guess maybe if it's part of a series |
| 05:37.38 | Semlar | fans of the franchise |
| 05:37.58 | Semlar | the whole thing can't be a fan favorite, that wouldn't make any sense |
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| 06:07.49 | Neffi | Semlar: http://i.imgur.com/yP3uS3V.gif |
| 06:08.30 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.31 | Neffi | Semlar: Perhaps it's the favorite of people who are fans of open-world sandboxed shooter RPGs |
| 06:08.56 | Neffi | haha, that gif is perfect |
| 06:10.01 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.19 | Semlar | neffi how i bind key to do something |
| 06:10.44 | Neffi | I don't remember. Ask wowpedi |
| 06:10.58 | Semlar | i think you can use bindings.xml or just override a key |
| 06:11.57 | Semlar | SetOverrideBindingClick good enough |
| 06:12.13 | Simca | yeah SetOverrideBindingClick is the best option imo |
| 06:12.40 | Simca | bindings.xml just pollutes things most of the time |
| 06:12.44 | Semlar | wait can i get a binding to fire on down and up |
| 06:12.52 | Simca | yeah |
| 06:13.55 | Semlar | do i just give SetOverrideBindingClick LeftButtonDown for the mousebutton argument or something |
| 06:14.06 | Semlar | no that wouldn't work |
| 06:14.14 | Semlar | what am i thinking |
| 06:14.23 | Simca | you could make it /click another button |
| 06:14.50 | Neffi | Semlar: Whichever button is the receiver of the click, register for AnyDown ? |
| 06:15.02 | Neffi | Not sure if this is how it's done, but seems reasonable |
| 06:15.06 | Semlar | oh the button it clicks can recognize keydown and up |
| 06:15.11 | Semlar | that probably makes more sense |
| 06:15.34 | Simca | it may not be incredibly useful since I don't know how /click triggers keydown and keyup |
| 06:15.41 | Simca | it probably literally triggers them instantly one after another |
| 06:15.53 | Simca | so both keydown and keyup will fire on first keydown or keyup |
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| 06:16.18 | Semlar | i'm assuming the button you give to SetOverrideBindingClick stays down as long as you hold the key |
| 06:16.31 | Semlar | i guess i'll find out |
| 06:16.34 | Simca | hmm, yeah, that is true |
| 06:17.30 | Neffi | Does AceConfigDialogue depend on anything besides AceGUI? |
| 06:24.46 | Semlar | looks like i just have to do button:RegisterForClicks('AnyDown', 'AnyUp') |
| 06:26.55 | nevcairiel | Neffi: one of the other AceConfig things, but that's all. We tried to keep inter dependencies low |
| 06:27.22 | Neffi | cool beans |
| 06:28.18 | Semlar | apparently a button doesn't have to be mouse enabled to respond to key clicks |
| 06:28.22 | Semlar | that makes this simpler |
| 06:29.08 | Semlar | i need a frame to cover the screen to get the mouse position |
| 06:30.41 | Neffi | you sure about that? |
| 06:31.13 | Semlar | for what i'm doing i'm pretty sure i do |
| 06:31.39 | Semlar | the last time i tried this i couldn't get the cursor position relative to the screen, only relative to the frame it's over |
| 06:31.50 | Semlar | inside the restricted environment |
| 06:32.00 | Semlar | so i just covered the screen with a frame |
| 06:32.48 | Neffi | #yolo |
| 06:32.50 | Semlar | neat, that works |
| 06:32.57 | Semlar | muahaha |
| 06:33.31 | Semlar | oh god i need to do math for this |
| 06:33.39 | Semlar | this could take a while |
| 06:48.26 | Stanzilla | wtf are you doing Semlar |
| 06:48.40 | Semlar | nuffin |
| 06:49.08 | Stanzilla | tell me more |
| 06:49.23 | Neffi | did you get very far? |
| 06:49.25 | Semlar | i'll tell you in a minute |
| 06:50.54 | Neffi | http://youtu.be/HlgDbTpFYJc |
| 06:51.18 | Stanzilla | that looks unreal in HD |
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| 07:17.10 | Neffi | so semlar, whatcha doin? |
| 07:19.17 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/SFTeCRva |
| 07:20.54 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/HiQtU4A.jpg |
| 07:21.33 | Semlar | alright this is a terrible example but you hold a key and all the nameplates go to your mouse |
| 07:22.07 | Semlar | this would look a lot better with grid-styled nameplates |
| 07:22.43 | Semlar | in fact |
| 07:23.01 | Semlar | the part that groups around the mouse could look completely different from the part that shows above their heads |
| 07:23.11 | Semlar | and would act independently |
| 07:23.47 | Semlar | i just wanted to make sure i could actually do it |
| 07:24.05 | Neffi | Is this an independent project, or a feature of LazyPlates? |
| 07:24.31 | Neffi | and is LazyPlates still a thing? |
| 07:25.09 | Semlar | this was to test that you could theoretically make your own nameplate motion positions |
| 07:25.24 | Neffi | this seems to totally undermine usefulness: "(not really possible to move the click part back)" |
| 07:26.16 | Semlar | okay, picture having a grid-type unit frame cluster pop up around the mouse that you could click on when you hold a key |
| 07:26.26 | Semlar | and when you release it goes away |
| 07:26.38 | Semlar | and then you just wouldn't be able to click on the nameplate above the units head |
| 07:26.46 | Neffi | oh, ok |
| 07:26.49 | Semlar | which nobody does anyway |
| 07:27.15 | Neffi | are you able to sort them in any meaningful ways? |
| 07:27.18 | Semlar | no |
| 07:27.22 | Semlar | ewll |
| 07:27.28 | Semlar | i could sort them based on their position on screen |
| 07:27.51 | Neffi | not based on their contents? eg, health remaining, class (based on bar color), level (if visible), etc? |
| 07:27.54 | Semlar | no |
| 07:28.06 | Semlar | that would be like sorting unit frames |
| 07:28.13 | Semlar | by their contents |
| 07:28.22 | Neffi | true |
| 07:28.48 | Neffi | I could think of a few uses for this |
| 07:29.04 | Semlar | i can't even tell the difference between friendly and enemy plates, but i could style them differently |
| 07:29.42 | Semlar | in the restricted environment the frames all look the same |
| 07:29.54 | Neffi | this is cool stuff, as usual |
| 07:31.17 | Semlar | alright now i can get back to never turning this into something useful |
| 07:32.16 | Semlar | neffiiiiiiii |
| 07:33.34 | Semlar | it's too early |
| 07:34.12 | Neffi | late* |
| 07:34.30 | Semlar | i was thinking i would just show a list of the nearest handful of nameplates |
| 07:34.42 | Semlar | so it would be easier to pick one out in a cluster |
| 07:35.44 | Semlar | the ones without a certain distance to the mouse |
| 07:35.47 | Mr_Rabies | p3lim: as much as i'll miss seeing "habeebit" in my addon list, i'm glad you renamed it :P |
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| 08:19.23 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 08:19.43 | Mr_Rabies | i'm so confused as to when WoD is supposed to be in the timeline on alternate draenor |
| 08:24.37 | Simca | there are a lot of inconsistencies that are explained when you remember that Garrosh going there didn't create the AU, there were always a lot of AUs. So this AU is the result of some different choice in the past that made things play out mostly the same but not exactly the same. |
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| 08:53.27 | Dagmar | THe Khadgar's Bacon Theory? |
| 08:53.43 | Dagmar | In one AU, Khadgar had bacon with his eggs for breakfast. |
| 08:53.55 | Dagmar | In another, Khagar decided to have sausage instead. |
| 08:55.46 | Dagmar | Since sausage releases more steam than bacon when cooked, the surplus water molecules in the atmosphere went up into the sky and later formed a set of clouds which caused a gloomy, overcast day which affected everyone's decision-making towards the dire, rather than a bright sunny day which led to less dire thoughts and less susceptability to sneaky demonic pleadings. |
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| 09:12.12 | Mr_Rabies | <Simca> there are a lot of inconsistencies that are explained when you remember that Garrosh going there didn't create the AU, there were always a lot of AUs. So this AU is the result of some different choice in the past that made things play out mostly the same but not exactly the same. |
| 09:12.41 | Mr_Rabies | it is kinda weird since as i understand it it's supposed to be AU modern draenor, but like, mankrik is a kid |
| 09:12.57 | Mr_Rabies | or maybe not, kd3 explained it once |
| 09:13.00 | Mr_Rabies | maybe it does make sense |
| 09:13.13 | Dagmar | Look! A squirrel! |
| 09:13.27 | Dagmar | erm... I mean a chopper! |
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| 10:59.27 | nebula169 | don't suppose anyone has the overlay data from GetMapOverlayInfo for Draenor |
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| 11:08.28 | jleclanche | nebula169: you dont have a wod account? |
| 11:11.39 | karl_w_w | the triangle is real jleclanche |
| 11:11.50 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: what triangle? |
| 11:12.17 | karl_w_w | amaz's triangle |
| 11:12.31 | jleclanche | i dont know what you mean; I just started watching it 5 mins ago |
| 11:12.36 | jleclanche | and he 12-0s an arena of course. |
| 11:13.02 | jleclanche | god damn it every time |
| 11:13.52 | karl_w_w | he had 3 copies of 3 cards |
| 11:13.59 | karl_w_w | so it was called the triangle |
| 11:14.03 | jleclanche | oh |
| 11:14.13 | karl_w_w | hammer of wrath, kodo, something else |
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| 11:31.38 | nebula169 | jleclanche: i do, but not everything discovered yet |
| 11:38.03 | nebula169 | oh sweet jesus ExportInterfaceFiles bugged? just dumped everything into one folder lol |
| 11:38.52 | nevcairiel | it didnt work at all for a while, and now its back but broken |
| 11:53.06 | Gnarfoz | why bother with it when there's people extracting it directly and putting it on Github? |
| 11:53.17 | nebula169 | was getting the art |
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| 15:06.51 | Arrowmaster | damn you alcohol for making me feel shitty in the morning |
| 15:09.51 | karl_w_w | did the alcohol take humanoid form so it could chain you up and force itself down your throat? |
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| 15:49.56 | nebula169 | no homo |
| 15:50.49 | zenzelezz | ... |
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| 15:56.37 | foxlit | names are hard. What do I call a macro-related library? |
| 15:57.33 | karl_w_w | lib-macro? |
| 15:57.36 | zenzelezz | "related" how? |
| 15:58.53 | karl_w_w | macro-libre |
| 15:59.13 | foxlit | zenzelezz: letâs say you give it a macro, and it runs it. Itâs like an insane manâs SABT macrotext attribute. |
| 15:59.16 | karl_w_w | for that nacho libre reference |
| 15:59.31 | zenzelezz | macroscope? |
| 16:04.55 | foxlit | probably avoiding âlibâ or âmacro" |
| 16:05.12 | zenzelezz | that's expecting us to be creative |
| 16:06.00 | foxlit | worse; itâs expecting you to hit the criteria that I canât formulate properly. |
| 16:06.03 | zenzelezz | it's sad how long I've sometimes spent before starting a project, trying to work out a name |
| 16:07.42 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/names.png << very few of these actually make sense. |
| 16:09.49 | zenzelezz | looks familiar |
| 16:10.31 | zenzelezz | I used to use the names of girls I fancied in school, but that wouldn't work for public stuff |
| 16:11.43 | Kraps | lol |
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| 16:31.52 | foxlit | In unrelated news, Aldnoah continues to be awesome. |
| 16:32.52 | zenzelezz | what's that? |
| 16:33.44 | foxlit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldnoah.Zero |
| 16:35.23 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.00 | Fisker | mechs foxlit |
| 16:40.09 | VIad | anyone from US wanna do? http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=294425#post294425 |
| 16:40.41 | foxlit | mechs everywhere, Fisker. |
| 16:40.46 | Fisker | D: |
| 16:41.12 | VIad | why do blizzard hardcode the realm data? :( |
| 16:41.17 | VIad | would be so epic if it was in a js file :p |
| 16:41.28 | Fisker | a javascript file? |
| 16:41.31 | VIad | yes |
| 16:41.41 | Fisker | why? |
| 16:41.42 | VIad | any file just not html :p |
| 16:41.54 | VIad | don't need auth to access js files |
| 16:42.11 | VIad | I wrote on the detect current region thread |
| 16:42.20 | VIad | tomrus posted internal list of realms and their ids |
| 16:42.34 | VIad | so I checked the character transfer page and found they embed the realm data in the html |
| 16:42.44 | VIad | but there is a list of the realms and their ids on the transfer page :) |
| 16:46.21 | Alram | i remember that |
| 16:46.26 | Alram | that was found a few years back too |
| 16:46.32 | Alram | list of internal realms leaked |
| 16:48.34 | VIad | yeah, but now you don't need leaks, they're there :p |
| 16:48.37 | Torhal | banishes Alram to The Internal Realms. |
| 16:48.38 | VIad | just requires you to login |
| 16:48.46 | Alram | this was that method |
| 16:48.49 | Alram | exactly the same |
| 16:48.52 | Alram | im surprised they havent fixed it yet |
| 16:48.54 | VIad | so not a leak :3 |
| 16:49.06 | Alram | something at blizzard leaking development realms |
| 16:49.08 | Alram | i'd say its a leak |
| 16:49.16 | Alram | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1122273-hidden-development-realm |
| 16:49.36 | Alram | also through a realm selection thing |
| 16:50.28 | Fisker | I'd say it is a pretty unlikely oversight and probably didn't care if people mined it |
| 16:50.43 | Alram | they didnt care last time but fixed that specific instance anyways |
| 16:50.49 | Fisker | Beats filtering it |
| 16:52.08 | Fisker | I want to work for blizzard only so I can know what that does |
| 16:53.00 | Alram | heh |
| 16:53.07 | Alram | i still have the original list i remember saved http://marlamin.com/u/2014-07-27_18-52-23-7Z3130MS.txt |
| 17:03.05 | Fisker | 2.4.0 server? |
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| 17:04.45 | Alram | thats from during wotlk beta |
| 17:05.49 | VIad | I am sure most of thoe realms dont exist anymore :p |
| 17:06.09 | Alram | i hope they dont |
| 17:06.14 | VIad | Web Server Test is probably old by now |
| 17:06.31 | Alram | if those are once again showing with the new method |
| 17:06.36 | Alram | we'll know as soon as someone in US tries it :P |
| 17:17.45 | Mr_Rabies | oh my god i'm fuming |
| 17:17.52 | Mr_Rabies | this jerk in this group i was in |
| 17:17.59 | Mr_Rabies | needing every item, harassing me in whisper |
| 17:18.14 | Mr_Rabies | ask them if we can boot him because he's a total jerk |
| 17:18.19 | Fisker | Can't you just make it query the us service Alram ? |
| 17:18.20 | Mr_Rabies | there's a kick timer |
| 17:18.24 | Mr_Rabies | so he boots me |
| 17:18.31 | Alram | probably Fisker |
| 17:18.32 | Fisker | Don't think they actually would bother checking if you were eu or not |
| 17:19.14 | Mr_Rabies | the vote to kick system needs a massive overhaul |
| 17:19.21 | Mr_Rabies | protecting jerks is the dumbest thing |
| 17:24.09 | Alram | nah Fisker is embedded |
| 17:24.23 | Fisker | :( |
| 17:26.47 | Alram | im gonna guess those are internal realms are gone tho |
| 17:27.20 | Fisker | Maybe |
| 17:27.44 | Fisker | somewhere some blizzard web guy is cursing over you guys making his work 10 times harder |
| 17:28.36 | Fisker | The list is hardcoded too |
| 17:28.37 | Fisker | :3 |
| 17:28.52 | Alram | might still be generated serverside |
| 17:28.55 | Alram | probably is |
| 17:28.57 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 17:29.08 | Fisker | what I meant is that after you datamined it they probably filter it manually |
| 17:29.38 | Alram | yeah :D |
| 17:29.45 | Fisker | Actually think I recall earlier that new realms usually had a lot of web-related issues after being added |
| 17:29.49 | Fisker | probably because of that |
| 17:30.03 | Fisker | But it's been a while |
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| 18:03.39 | Semlar | http://www.wowhead.com/item=95059 jikun is marked as an underwater mount on the beta |
| 18:04.11 | kullervo | so it doesn't despawn when you take a dip? |
| 18:04.23 | Semlar | it says you can't use it unless you're underwater |
| 18:05.34 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/1zwh8Gq.jpg |
| 18:06.59 | VIad | Semlar: :D |
| 18:15.17 | foxlit | Keep on writing Rewrite instead of Rewire, might have to reconsider this. |
| 18:18.31 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzagptMxFWE this is mildly cool, is there anything like it for WoW? |
| 18:19.38 | Alram | there's https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blizzard.blizzardarviewer |
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| 18:21.38 | Industrial | Is there any addon that already has a database of map icons that it places on the map? I'm using HandyNotes but it only places things on the map that I have already seen. |
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| 18:25.21 | Fisker | rewrites foxlit's brain to use rewrite instead of rewire |
| 18:25.42 | Kemayo-cloud | Industrial: don't most handy note plugins have a bunch of pre-existing nodes to add? |
| 18:27.16 | Kemayo-cloud | I mean, what sort of things are you looking to have on your |
| 18:27.20 | Kemayo-cloud | map? |
| 18:28.24 | Industrial | all the tracked things I guess :) |
| 18:29.13 | Industrial | I'm trying to fix HandyNotes_Directions atm |
| 18:31.07 | Kemayo-cloud | Oh, has it broken again? I neglect it so. |
| 18:32.02 | Kemayo-cloud | That addon's design is very much a sign of my aversion to building up and maintaining a database of content. :D |
| 18:32.40 | Industrial | Astrolabe 0.4 -> 1.0 and line 44: WorldMap_GetPOITextureCoords becomes GetPOITextureCoords |
| 18:33.25 | Kemayo-cloud | Technically I suppose I could have dedicated an evening to visiting every capital and asking a guard about everything on their list, then pre-packaging that data set with it... |
| 18:34.15 | Industrial | you only need tot alk to a guard once and you have averything? that's fine with me |
| 18:34.20 | Industrial | thats once per city/towm |
| 18:35.10 | Kemayo-cloud | Well, you have to talk to a guard and pick every single option in the dialogue. |
| 18:35.20 | Industrial | k |
| 18:35.51 | Kemayo-cloud | it can only find the data once selecting the dialogue option has placed the poi on the map. |
| 18:36.48 | Industrial | bet I can edit idQuestAutomation really easy to select them all |
| 18:37.51 | Industrial | it would hopefully take a single click to open the NPC window, or otherwise one per leaf in the nav menu |
| 18:40.33 | Kemayo-cloud | I'd suspect one per leaf, just because I don't think there's a "back to start" option once you've picked one. Been a while though, so I might be misremembering. |
| 18:43.56 | VIad | with WOD is it hard to keep astrolabe updated? |
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| 18:48.13 | Stanzilla | LibMapData > Astrolabe |
| 18:48.22 | Stanzilla | speaking of that, someone needs to wake up kagaro1 |
| 19:11.47 | VIad | Stanzilla: why LibMapData > Astrolabe? :( |
| 19:12.54 | Stanzilla | random tease on Esamynn|Away :p |
| 19:14.52 | VIad | :po |
| 19:15.40 | VIad | on beta I got an item that doesn't exist |
| 19:15.41 | VIad | 112017 |
| 19:19.11 | VIad | client dies if I touch it |
| 19:22.29 | Stanzilla | stop touching it then |
| 19:22.53 | VIad | ugh. problem being hairy is hair movements can feel like flies sometimes :P |
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| 19:31.39 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: which twitch stream is the tourney? |
| 19:32.19 | karl_w_w | the prismata cup? dont know, trump is streaming it though |
| 19:33.35 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: hes not |
| 19:33.40 | jleclanche | i mean im watching trump |
| 19:33.46 | jleclanche | hes playing Dont Starve |
| 19:33.50 | karl_w_w | well, his matches |
| 19:34.00 | jleclanche | ah |
| 19:34.03 | jleclanche | Cairenn: are the WoD invites US only? |
| 19:42.30 | VIad | no jleclanche |
| 19:42.37 | jleclanche | good |
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| 19:43.16 | VIad | but the servers are in the US so expect not being able to copy your characters |
| 19:43.17 | EthanCentaurai | kd3: ping |
| 19:43.44 | VIad | EthanCentaurai: pong |
| 19:43.50 | EthanCentaurai | hai! :3 |
| 19:44.13 | EthanCentaurai | can you help me write a dataminer that crawls through wowhead? |
| 19:44.23 | jleclanche | EthanCentaurai: what do you need off wowhead? |
| 19:44.32 | EthanCentaurai | professions data |
| 19:44.39 | jleclanche | get it off the game files, then? |
| 19:45.13 | EthanCentaurai | I mean, I maintain a professions addon and would like a dataminer to help me keep the database up to date |
| 19:45.18 | jleclanche | get it off the game files, then? |
| 19:45.32 | jleclanche | what data do you need? |
| 19:45.36 | EthanCentaurai | someone donated a miner to me but it reads from buffed.de |
| 19:45.57 | jleclanche | yes, cut out of the middleman and get it off the game files. |
| 19:46.06 | jleclanche | there are excellent libraries for it |
| 19:46.31 | jleclanche | what data do you need exactly? |
| 19:46.32 | Shirik | most of which jleclanche has written |
| 19:46.35 | EthanCentaurai | which would you recommend? |
| 19:46.44 | jleclanche | id recommend the shit i wrote |
| 19:46.45 | jleclanche | :P |
| 19:46.47 | Shirik | :D |
| 19:46.48 | jleclanche | ~shirik++ |
| 19:46.49 | EthanCentaurai | :p |
| 19:47.04 | jleclanche | EthanCentaurai: once again, what data do you need? |
| 19:47.23 | EthanCentaurai | I need crafted item id, crafting spell id, skill levels, yield and recipe item id |
| 19:47.47 | jleclanche | recipe item id, as in which item teaches what spell? |
| 19:47.54 | EthanCentaurai | aye |
| 19:48.09 | jleclanche | you need spell.dbc, item-sparse.db2 and skill.dbc |
| 19:48.57 | jleclanche | spell.dbc will let you get all the spells that craft an item, you can filter on those; youll get the crafted item id from that. get those spell ids from there too |
| 19:49.00 | zenzelezz | so, Torvalds doesn't like gcc 4.9. I am shocked |
| 19:49.10 | jleclanche | skill.dbc will have skill levels, whatever the ones you need |
| 19:49.14 | jleclanche | "yield" i dont know what you mean by that |
| 19:49.29 | Shirik | torvalds is an idiot |
| 19:49.29 | EthanCentaurai | yield is the number of crafted items made by the spell |
| 19:49.33 | Shirik | so there's that |
| 19:49.37 | jleclanche | thats in spell.dbc as well |
| 19:49.49 | EthanCentaurai | hunts for libraries. |
| 19:50.05 | jleclanche | just look for a dbc and db2 reader theres a million of them |
| 19:50.41 | EthanCentaurai | I feel like a moron. |
| 19:50.43 | jleclanche | and recipe item id will be in item-sparse.db2. look for "teaches spell" and matches the spell to the spells you care about |
| 19:51.31 | Shirik | so I'm pretty sure I pulled a chest muscle yesterday |
| 19:51.36 | Shirik | this is the worst feeling in the world |
| 19:52.00 | jleclanche | Shirik: pulling a chest muscle *while* giving birth is worse |
| 19:52.11 | Shirik | ok, worst feeling in the world for men? |
| 19:52.21 | Amarande | Shirik: I remember doing that once as a kid on vacation when I was sick to my stomach :( |
| 19:52.23 | Amarande | and yeah, owie |
| 19:52.27 | jleclanche | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.39 | Amarande | the worst thing is (unless it's obvious like that), you almost have to stoically take the pain, no matter how bad you might have pulled it |
| 19:52.41 | Shirik | I've been told that you can only feel pain in one place at a time |
| 19:52.52 | jleclanche | Shirik: wanna advance science and try? |
| 19:53.00 | Amarande | unless you want to find yourself paying for emergency cardiac care because everyone assumes pain in chest = heart attack and takes precautions |
| 19:53.28 | Shirik | that was my first thought, and then I realized I went overboard on the butterfly machine yesterday |
| 19:53.32 | Shirik | and I think that's what it is instead |
| 19:54.06 | jleclanche | Shirik: get better soon then |
| 19:54.07 | jleclanche | and lie down |
| 19:54.10 | Shirik | nope |
| 19:54.14 | Shirik | need to play more league of legends |
| 19:54.24 | Amarande | MOBA? Not MMO? |
| 19:54.27 | Amarande | heh, I was just saying in wowhead |
| 19:54.31 | Amarande | what is it with the decline in MMOs |
| 19:54.42 | Amarande | and RPGs in general ... seems like people are flocking to MOBA and FPS instead mostly |
| 19:54.54 | Amarande | and that I wonder if it's influencing wow, too |
| 19:55.21 | Amarande | as in, if the ever present march towards simplification is in order to try to woo the FPS/MOBA type crowds who want to be able to just show up on game night and not have to do all this "raid prep" stuff |
| 19:55.23 | Shirik | I actually play Wildstar too |
| 19:55.39 | Shirik | I think Wildstar is what the MMO world needed |
| 19:55.39 | jleclanche | i miss wildstar :( |
| 19:55.42 | jleclanche | i really cant reboot tho |
| 19:56.02 | jleclanche | will see how well it runs on linux in a month |
| 19:56.09 | Amarande | (and thus, conversely, while I tend to think that other MMOs like LOTRO and TOR and FFXIV that stick to classical MMO mechanics are doing the right thing by comparison, that just makes me weird. LOL) |
| 19:56.22 | Amarande | I might give Wildstar a go, but if I'm going to get an entirely new MMO, friends want to see me in FFXIV |
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| 19:56.31 | Shirik | the problem is the gaming industry has become so popular that it has become very business-oriented |
| 19:56.33 | Amarande | and I already also juggle WoW, LOTRO, and TOR over various months as it is |
| 19:56.37 | Thunder_Child | I have played ~1d worth and never went back. I think it was a mistake to get a year long sub |
| 19:56.43 | Amarande | and as Monty Python says ... Five is right out :( |
| 19:56.48 | jleclanche | Thunder_Child: of WS? |
| 19:56.53 | Shirik | and classical MMOs simply aren't cost effective |
| 19:56.54 | Thunder_Child | Yes |
| 19:57.01 | jleclanche | i didnt know 1y subs were a thing |
| 19:57.07 | Amarande | yeah, I wonder if WoW would have quickly gone F2P if it was newer, too |
| 19:57.11 | Thunder_Child | was it 6 months then? |
| 19:57.19 | Shirik | pretty sure I hear someone's smoke detector going off in the apartment |
| 19:57.20 | Amarande | as it is, there are only three MMOs I can think of off the top of my head that are steadily subscription model |
| 19:57.23 | Amarande | WoW, FFXIV, and EVE |
| 19:57.24 | Thunder_Child | Whatever the longest was |
| 19:57.29 | jleclanche | Amarande: and ws. |
| 19:57.33 | Amarande | and of those, EVE is seriously unique, while FFXIV is quite young |
| 19:57.35 | jleclanche | ws is same model as eve |
| 19:57.38 | Amarande | (and the same is the case with WS, too) |
| 19:57.45 | Amarande | so you can't really tell FFXIV or WS yet in the long run |
| 19:58.00 | Shirik | Wildstar is "subscription" model |
| 19:58.12 | Shirik | it's a subscription but there are also items you can buy to extend your subscription by 30 days |
| 19:58.13 | Amarande | otoh, you had games like LOTRO and TOR that seemed to have a world of things going for them |
| 19:58.19 | Amarande | and yet they had to fall back to F2P hybrid ultimately |
| 19:58.21 | Shirik | which means you could theoretically farm enough gold to play for free |
| 19:58.29 | Shirik | but it really just means that someone else is paying for your subscription |
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| 19:58.58 | Amarande | (mind you, TOR's expansion being such blah-ness probably didn't help its cause ... 1-50 is awesome, but hutt cartel content is seriously meh) |
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| 19:59.34 | Amarande | Shirik: ah, is gold something that ultimately has to be bought for real money, rather than the "in game" cash? |
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| 19:59.43 | Amarande | or something like the relationship between zen and astral diamonds in neverwinter? |
| 19:59.47 | jleclanche | Shirik: yes this is the eve model |
| 19:59.48 | Shirik | no |
| 19:59.50 | jleclanche | and its a great model imo |
| 19:59.57 | Amarande | heh. zen. that seemed a funny name at first |
| 19:59.59 | Shirik | so a subscription is normally $15/mo |
| 20:00.09 | Shirik | but players can also buy an item for $20 that extends your account by 30 days |
| 20:00.12 | Shirik | then they sell that on the AH |
| 20:00.18 | Amarande | I mean, Buddhism is all about material minimalism pretty much, it seems weird to call a luxury currency Zen at first LOL |
| 20:00.23 | Shirik | one player gets a bunch of gold, and the other gets a free account subscription |
| 20:00.25 | Amarande | ... but then I realise that it's a perfectly appropriate name after all |
| 20:00.32 | jleclanche | Shirik: yes, the eve model :P |
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| 20:00.37 | Shirik | that was @ Amarande |
| 20:00.57 | Amarande | ah, so it's not an item you can buy in an in-game store for gold directly, it's more like cartel market stuff in TOR |
| 20:01.11 | Shirik | yeah but that's the only item that's bought for real money |
| 20:01.16 | Shirik | everything else is the in-game currency |
| 20:01.22 | Shirik | it's just an alternate way to fund your subscription |
| 20:01.30 | Amarande | (or store stuff in LOTRO, but that's mostly BoA/BoP while barely any cartel market items are bound after the initial anti fraud period) |
| 20:01.33 | Shirik | (and a way to avoid gold farmers) |
| 20:02.33 | Amarande | yeah, seems like gold farming is especially endemic otherwise in subscription games for some reason |
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| 20:02.49 | Amarande | it actually seems for the most part to be *rarer* in f2p games that I've seen anyway |
| 20:02.50 | Shirik | because it turns out gamers don't like to spend time doing boring things |
| 20:02.58 | Shirik | and it turns out there are people that like money |
| 20:03.05 | Amarande | you see some in sw:tor but it's pretty strongly curbed (largely because of chat restrictions on non-subs) |
| 20:03.07 | Shirik | as they say in wildstar, "market efficiency!" |
| 20:03.34 | Amarande | you basically don't see gold farming *at all* in LOTRO (I wonder if it's because auction house prices tend to be a lot lower there, so there's a lot less need felt for large amounts of cash) |
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| 20:03.48 | Shirik | some day I should look at playing eve |
| 20:03.55 | Amarande | otoh, in WoW ... well ... I've played WoW off and on for seven years now, and Susan Express STILL advertises in /2 |
| 20:04.02 | Amarande | pretty sure they were around when I first started, LOL |
| 20:04.13 | Shirik | every so often I look at playing eve and it seems like it would be interesting |
| 20:04.28 | Amarande | and FFXIV has such an epidemic of RMT that over a thousand accounts are banned every week for it |
| 20:05.01 | Amarande | I guess FFXIV must be actually a lot more successful than many people give it credit for :) |
| 20:05.18 | Amarande | if they can afford to lose 1000+ subs every week to bans and not show signs of sputtering |
| 20:05.33 | Shirik | sooooo |
| 20:05.40 | Shirik | in RF Online I was a GM |
| 20:05.45 | Shirik | we did something pretty epic |
| 20:05.48 | Amarande | EVE seems like it has the wrong nexus of gameplay elements to me |
| 20:05.57 | Shirik | when we found an RMT bot, we ported it to an island |
| 20:06.01 | Shirik | let it continue to run |
| 20:06.12 | Shirik | on average it took them a week to realize that they weren't actually accomplishing anything |
| 20:06.22 | Amarande | any *one* such element? I probably wouldn't mind *too* much (although FFA PVP might be a bit of a nail biter as I eventually found PvP servers in WoW to be less fun than I thought they'd be :P) |
| 20:06.27 | Shirik | we made a video at one point too but I think it got taken down |
| 20:06.55 | Amarande | but the nexus of a) FFA PVP + b) the fact that possessions can be destroyed permanently + c) the fact that said possessions are also often worth huge amounts of REAL cash |
| 20:07.03 | Amarande | ... yeah, probably not my cup of tea |
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| 20:07.27 | Amarande | especially with the fact that it means you have to take such a cowardly approach whenever you get anything nice |
| 20:07.37 | Amarande | in WoW when you get nice things you mog 'em up and show 'em off |
| 20:08.07 | Amarande | in EVE you keep them in the fullest of full-sec space because you'd literally be clinically insane to do otherwise, since you'd literally be throwing possibly hundreds of real dollars away risking them in nullsec |
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| 20:08.49 | Amarande | heh, speaking of RMT bots, did they ever rule whether flying will be a thing in WoD at all? |
| 20:08.51 | Fisker | Do you love me Shirik ? |
| 20:08.53 | Shirik | noooooooooo |
| 20:08.56 | Shirik | I found the link |
| 20:08.56 | Fisker | :( |
| 20:08.58 | Shirik | but it's dead |
| 20:08.59 | Shirik | also hey Fisker |
| 20:09.02 | Amarande | I heard mention that we might not get to fly in Draenor at all, not even at 100 |
| 20:09.19 | Fisker | Didn't they already confirm that a billion years ago? |
| 20:09.27 | Amarande | It occurs to me that if that's the case, it might actually twist botting such that it actually benefits the legitimate player rather than the botter :) |
| 20:09.40 | Amarande | at least, if bots continue to be as stupid as the ones I witnessed back in Wrath were, which is likely |
| 20:10.20 | Amarande | the way I see bots benefiting us muchly and the cheaters nil? well, pretty simple really |
| 20:10.31 | Amarande | most nodes (especially mining ones) tend to be guarded closely by some or other mob |
| 20:11.20 | Amarande | bot will probably be dumb as rocks and rush in, which means it can't manage to mine the node because the mob keeps interrupting it, while us real players end up getting to get in (while the mob is distracted) and get the node ourselves :) |
| 20:11.20 | Amarande | ore for us, nothing for the farmer :) |
| 20:12.52 | VIad | won versus a gold 500 win paladin at rank 15 :P |
| 20:13.03 | VIad | was a bit fun |
| 20:13.10 | Amarande | heh, it's always nice to beat the smug :) |
| 20:13.26 | Amarande | like the time in D2 I beat a decked out in typical duped/botted gear hammerdin |
| 20:13.33 | Amarande | using my own hammerdin, who had nothing more valuable than a crappy shako |
| 20:13.46 | Amarande | and would you believe he called *me* a noob ... LOL |
| 20:14.37 | Amarande | *shakes head* guy pays probably 20, 30 dollars for his ill gotten gear and still can't win a duel against someone using legitimate gear ... I think that kind of makes him the noob :P |
| 20:14.47 | VIad | ^^ |
| 20:15.45 | Amarande | I bet he didn't make it through the whole game solo (except the occasional baal/cow xp run) either, he probably got rushed and such :P |
| 20:20.35 | Amarande | I wish I could justify the budget to stay subscribed to more than one MMO at once, but I can't really |
| 20:20.56 | Amarande | so I juggle them, because I figure, I've only got X amount of time a month to game, and that's all I'm going to be able to game whether I spend 15 or 30 or 45 or 60 bucks a month on subs |
| 20:21.28 | VIad | how is SWTOR doing these days? |
| 20:21.57 | Amarande | it's pretty nice, apart from the eternal frustration of trying to gather up nice looking gear sets to make each of your characters not be a carbon copy of the others |
| 20:22.07 | Amarande | which mainly ties into the blah-ness of endgame |
| 20:22.21 | VIad | sadly never raided in swtor |
| 20:22.22 | Amarande | since to get enough creds to actually be able to complete a set you pretty much have to grind endgame content |
| 20:22.28 | Amarande | well, at least dailies |
| 20:22.48 | Amarande | and unfortunately, the bulk of the fun stuff in SW:TOR is concentrated in the 1-50 range |
| 20:22.48 | Shirik | Amarande: oh come on it's not that bad |
| 20:22.56 | Shirik | in RF Online you literally had one gear set for each class |
| 20:23.13 | Shirik | As a GM, remembering the item codes for each piece was easy though |
| 20:23.13 | Amarande | Makeb just doesn't have the same fun factor as the 1-50 content, and let's not even get into CZ-198 |
| 20:23.24 | Amarande | CZ-198 is about as dull vanilla generic MMORPG daily zone as you can *imagine* |
| 20:23.48 | Shirik | for example if I wanted boots, I would type %bfb50c for "bellato (race) force (class) boots, level 50, type C (meaning best stats)" |
| 20:23.57 | Amarande | At least in SW:TOR reps are legacy (account, but server specific) based, so you only have to grind them once per server |
| 20:23.58 | Shirik | because literally every level 50 bellato force player used the same boots |
| 20:24.13 | Amarande | that's one thing I'd like to see in WoW actually ... account based reps |
| 20:24.27 | Shirik | I always felt like your account should be a kind of "family name" |
| 20:24.32 | Shirik | doesn't TOR have something like that? |
| 20:24.38 | Amarande | Shirik: yeah, it's called the legacy |
| 20:24.40 | VIad | but Amarande if that happens no one will level alts, and people will consume content even quicker! |
| 20:24.42 | Amarande | although a legacy is server bound |
| 20:24.46 | Shirik | when I played TOR it wasn't around yet |
| 20:24.51 | Amarande | the only benefit you can take with you across servers is Collections |
| 20:24.52 | Shirik | they were still figuring it out |
| 20:25.30 | Amarande | Shirik: I'm more talking about the million or so creds (if you're lucky it's that cheap) you have to eke out in order to afford all the pieces of a given cartel set |
| 20:25.37 | Amarande | (since you need the *whole* set to unlock it for easy reuse in collections) |
| 20:26.04 | Amarande | unfortunately, the only place to get credits in that quantity (unless you want to spend 70 bucks on a hypercrate just to put it up on GTN) is doing dailies |
| 20:26.40 | Amarande | And except for the Belsavis (bonus + Section X) and Black Hole stuff, the dailies zones aren't that great |
| 20:27.00 | Amarande | (well actually I haven't ever tried Oricon, but I disliked Ilum distinctly, and CZ-198 is like I said duller than a broken pencil) |
| 20:27.54 | Torhal | thinks Amarande should change his nick to LOTRO:TOR |
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| 20:28.39 | Amarande | One gear set for each class meanwhile sounds almost WoW-like, heh |
| 20:28.54 | Amarande | or at least how WoW was like before mog (where there was only one set per class that really *mattered* anyways) |
| 20:29.50 | Amarande | though come to think of it, one wonders if that model actually had more practical importance back in the day |
| 20:30.25 | Amarande | (as in the fact that you had 40 people in a raid and much lower specced machines, so it probably helped performance a lot if only a very limited number of player appearance graphics had to be loaded most of the time) |
| 20:30.48 | VIad | Amarande: vanilla had shit graphics |
| 20:30.55 | VIad | computers couldnt handle better :po |
| 20:31.13 | VIad | smeared textures on everything was normal |
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| 20:31.28 | Amarande | wasn't the reason for Dalaran lag the fact that too many textures had to be loaded too quickly? |
| 20:31.40 | VIad | that's wotlk suddenly |
| 20:31.55 | VIad | can't remember any big issues with dalaran myselfg |
| 20:31.56 | kd3 | you'd think after doing this for 15 years I'd learn to not lift with my back. hay bale moving sucks for computer geeks who don't work out |
| 20:32.18 | Amarande | well, yeah, but I'm thinking if BITD (like before mog got introduced) limiting the amount of graphics was of large importance |
| 20:32.30 | Amarande | thus the limited cosmetic customisation available if you wanted to be competitive |
| 20:32.54 | Amarande | (since it would mean a lot of same look players in dense, fast action areas like raids, so less strain on the system) |
| 20:33.34 | Thunder_Child | That's not usually an issue for most geeks. |
| 20:33.43 | VIad | I only remember wintergrasp sucked in wotlk |
| 20:33.48 | VIad | like 5-10 fps |
| 20:33.50 | Amarande | T_C: large numbers of textures have routinely swamped video cards |
| 20:33.53 | Amarande | look at watch dogs, heh |
| 20:33.53 | kd3 | that's what I get for living within driving distance of my parents |
| 20:33.55 | VIad | server lagged as hell too |
| 20:34.04 | Amarande | apparently you can't even run it on ultra at all unless you have at least a 3GB video card |
| 20:34.05 | kd3 | who still have three Tennessee walking horses |
| 20:34.09 | Amarande | and even 3GB is a strain |
| 20:34.45 | Amarande | I'm apparently not the only one to believe it's an nVidia marketing conspiracy that the 780 Ti doesn't come in 6GB like the vanilla 780 did, nor even 4GB like the 760 and 770 are available in :) |
| 20:34.52 | Amarande | (and conveniently, the 780 Ti apparently comes *with* watch dogs) |
| 20:35.31 | Neffi | Don't blame the messenger |
| 20:35.38 | Amarande | y'know, give the flagship card (that geeks will flock for) a crucial Achilles heel |
| 20:35.43 | Amarande | so you have a leverage point to sell the next gen cards :) |
| 20:35.45 | Neffi | Blame the team for using large textures, not compressing well, etc |
| 20:36.00 | Amarande | Neffi: nVidia and Ubisoft are pretty close buddies apparently |
| 20:36.06 | Neffi | There's far more to making good graphics than throwing more texture resolution at it. That's just lazy |
| 20:36.21 | Amarande | I'm sure nVidia reciprocates too, since Ubisoft seems to be about the only big publisher that seems to still focus strongly on nVidia rather than AMD |
| 20:36.34 | Amarande | (because consoles are all Radeon based now, leaving nVidia basically a niche PC thing) |
| 20:36.42 | Neffi | Amarande: Based on what I've read, NVidia's generally buddies with all the big game companies |
| 20:37.02 | VIad | I had ATI before, when it wasn't AMD. It sucked so bad. :P |
| 20:37.07 | VIad | Compared to what NVIDIA had to offer. |
| 20:37.08 | Amarande | hm. it at least seemed like the other game manufacturers are flocking to AMD's Mantle |
| 20:37.11 | Amarande | presumably for optimisation for consoles |
| 20:37.24 | Amarande | while still getting a large amount of the PC market in the crosshairs too |
| 20:37.44 | Amarande | Ubisoft apparently uses some sort of game dev library that nVidia heavily influences, though |
| 20:37.53 | Amarande | as in, they actively get the library optimised for them while frustrating AMD input |
| 20:38.12 | Amarande | you need a much higher end radeon to run watch dogs well than you need a geforce |
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| 20:38.27 | VIad | Amarande: watch dogs was handicapped on purpose anywayu |
| 20:38.42 | VIad | had to apply a community patch to improve the visuals |
| 20:39.37 | Amarande | I had ATI cards in the past ... drivers were the only real issue at times |
| 20:39.54 | Amarande | and tbh, it seemed like nVidia and ATI played catch with the fail ball when it came to drivers back in the day |
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| 20:40.34 | Amarande | I did have an X1600 that never worked properly, but it turned out later on I had subtly bad RAM in that machine, and apparently ATI drivers were MUCH more sensitive to that |
| 20:41.13 | Neffi | Well you can't blame software for breaking from RAM errors |
| 20:41.22 | Neffi | that's just silly |
| 20:41.24 | Amarande | subtly bad as in it was very hard to pin down because only a few things in general really seemed to bring it out ... Guild Wars would crash but only after long sessions, even WoW was fairly stable till 2.4.x came out, then it threw 132's all the time |
| 20:41.32 | Amarande | and that's when I finally ran memtest and found out about the problem |
| 20:41.32 | VIad | isn't the OS layer or below responsible to avoid using bad ram sectors? |
| 20:42.08 | Amarande | and with GW I pretty much blamed it on the graphics drivers, since graphics drivers were often pretty spotty back then |
| 20:42.19 | VIad | it's like Amarande speaking to himself :p |
| 20:42.33 | Amarande | wasn't till I couldn't stop the 132's no matter what I tried that I really got to finding out it was ram |
| 20:42.39 | Amarande | I'm not sure if the OS layer is able to do that very well |
| 20:42.48 | Amarande | that might be the hardware layer, and probably only if you have ECC |
| 20:43.37 | Amarande | Neffi: well, yeah, but the RAM was not very overtly acting up in most cases, plus ATI's reputation driver-wise made it hard to pinpoint |
| 20:43.56 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 20:44.00 | Amarande | especially given that nVidia cards generally worked okay except in a few games |
| 20:44.04 | Fisker | Why don't you love me? |
| 20:44.46 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: nice comeback from trump so far |
| 20:44.54 | VIad | jleclanche: ? |
| 20:44.55 | Amarande | It was easy to think that maybe the card and mobo bios had some kind of compatibility issue, or that the ATI drivers were just being crap |
| 20:45.00 | jleclanche | VIad: tourney |
| 20:45.06 | VIad | where? let me watch |
| 20:45.10 | jleclanche | trumpsc on twitch |
| 20:45.51 | VIad | thanks |
| 20:46.14 | Neffi | ~seen jaliborc |
| 20:46.17 | purl | jaliborc <~Jaliborc@ip124.wh184.uni-hannover.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 665d 10h 8m 48s ago, saying: ':P'. |
| 20:46.27 | VIad | ~seen admin |
| 20:46.27 | purl | i haven't seen 'admin', VIad |
| 20:46.30 | VIad | :( |
| 20:46.35 | jleclanche | ~seen ChanServ |
| 20:46.35 | purl | i haven't seen 'chanserv', jleclanche |
| 20:46.39 | VIad | "i" ? |
| 20:46.57 | VIad | ~seen purl |
| 20:46.58 | purl | purl is currently on ##bz-inc (12h 35m 48s) #kas (12h 35m 48s) #casualti (12h 35m 48s) #dub (12h 35m 48s) #lotrouidev (12h 35m 48s) #dbgc (12h 35m 48s) #diablofans (12h 35m 48s) #norganna (12h 35m 48s) #how (12h 35m 48s) #wowace (12h 35m 48s) #arl (12h 35m 48s) #hosernet (12h 35m 48s) ##kierra (12h 35m 48s) ##ducleague (12h 35m 48s) #familysearch (12h 35m 48s) ... |
| 20:47.04 | jleclanche | man trump is screwed |
| 20:47.05 | Neffi | ~seen Tuller |
| 20:47.05 | purl | tuller <~Tuller@2601:a:4a00:167:49e9:5724:8c3c:653e> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 4h 52m 45s ago, saying: 'independence day is a great movie, but it is not a great film'. |
| 20:47.28 | VIad | ~seen viad |
| 20:47.28 | purl | viad is currently on #wowuidev. Has said a total of 54 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '~seen viad'. |
| 20:47.33 | VIad | :D |
| 20:47.45 | VIad | ~seen Amarande |
| 20:47.45 | purl | amarande is currently on #wowhead (3h 11m 18s) #wowuidev (3h 11m 18s). Has said a total of 160 messages. Is idling for 2m 50s, last said: 'It was easy to think that maybe the card and mobo bios had some kind of compatibility issue, or that the ATI drivers were just being crap'. |
| 20:49.01 | Amarande | Neffi: also, to add to the confusion, I actually once *did* have to flash a mobo BIOS back in the dark ages for the mobo to boot with a new video card, so the idea of BIOS incompatibility didn't seem that far fetched there either |
| 20:49.07 | Amarande | RAM was the last thing from my mind ... ah well, fail and learn, heh |
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| 20:53.48 | VIad | why is trump so serious this time? |
| 20:53.53 | VIad | usually he is more jolly :( |
| 20:53.57 | jleclanche | cause its a tournament |
| 20:54.00 | jleclanche | and hes always this serious |
| 20:54.59 | VIad | I am subscribed to trump you youtube |
| 20:55.01 | Amarande | even the most jolly of fellows keeps their poker face on in WSOP if they want to win |
| 20:55.04 | VIad | he seems more serious atm :p |
| 20:55.12 | Amarande | I'm guessing it might be similar in this sort of tournament, too |
| 20:55.32 | Amarande | not 100% sure ... does the streaming result in the players being able to see each other's face, too, or only the spectators get to see that? |
| 20:55.56 | jleclanche | Amarande: this is a home tournament so its just streamers delaying their plays |
| 20:56.01 | Amarande | any card game where you can see the other players' faces probably requires poker facing |
| 20:56.22 | VIad | 10 min delay |
| 20:56.28 | jleclanche | ya |
| 20:57.06 | VIad | trump lsot |
| 20:57.11 | jleclanche | pretty much |
| 20:57.41 | jleclanche | he won his worst matchup and lost his best one |
| 20:57.41 | VIad | how do they matchmake? |
| 20:57.56 | Amarande | jleclanche: hah, sounds like the red sox sometimes |
| 20:58.02 | VIad | any tournament matchup system or? |
| 20:58.04 | Amarande | like the year we ended our 86 year Series drought |
| 20:58.08 | jleclanche | nah not yet VIad |
| 20:58.12 | jleclanche | hopefully soon |
| 20:58.16 | jleclanche | but this is just friendslist based |
| 20:58.17 | VIad | so you gotta add them to friendlist :p |
| 20:58.19 | Amarande | we generally beat the big name teams we might have expected a chance to lose to |
| 20:58.26 | Amarande | ... and on the other hand we lost five times in a row to Kansas City |
| 20:58.50 | Amarande | (for euro folks who aren't familiar with baseball as much: the Kansas City Royals are basically the very definition of 'shitty team') |
| 20:59.08 | Amarande | they're pretty much one of those teams that if it was soccer would probably have been booted out of premier league by now LOL |
| 20:59.08 | VIad | royals in the name |
| 20:59.21 | VIad | trump goes to cry now |
| 20:59.22 | VIad | :P |
| 20:59.31 | VIad | poor trump |
| 21:05.15 | VIad | what is the format of the tournament, jleclanche? |
| 21:05.29 | jleclanche | bo5 |
| 21:05.33 | jleclanche | er |
| 21:05.35 | jleclanche | bo3 |
| 21:05.42 | VIad | bo5erbo3? |
| 21:06.08 | VIad | explain it like you would explain it to your grandmother |
| 21:06.30 | Amarande | elimination, round robin, or swiss? |
| 21:06.46 | jleclanche | elimination - four decks, one ban allowed, first to 3 wins |
| 21:06.55 | Amarande | or am I silly to ask this ... basically every game tournament is elimination except for some magic drafts, chess, and bridge, isn't it LOL |
| 21:07.12 | VIad | how do they decide what class to play or how do they tell each other what they ban? |
| 21:07.22 | jleclanche | idk |
| 21:07.27 | Amarande | and even chess tends towards small round swiss or sometimes elims most of the time |
| 21:07.42 | Amarande | round robins seem to have mostly died out, although most of the great historical chess tournaments were so |
| 21:09.21 | jleclanche | so neither bo5 nor bo3 im an idiot |
| 21:09.21 | Amarande | heh I'm surprised Hearthstone has a banlist |
| 21:09.22 | Amarande | or do you mean they each get to forbid the opponent to use one specific card? |
| 21:09.22 | jleclanche | deck |
| 21:09.23 | jleclanche | the millenium tourney popularized the banning thing |
| 21:09.23 | jleclanche | i like it a lot |
| 21:09.24 | Amarande | (at first I was thinking "there's a banlist, of which you're allowed one exception" like is the case in some CCGs ... but hearthstone should never need such a list, given they can just nerf cards on the fly :) |
| 21:09.26 | jleclanche | you can ban a class basicall |
| 21:09.26 | jleclanche | y |
| 21:09.26 | VIad | what happens if blizz releases a nerf patch, like with eaglebow, mid tournament? :D |
| 21:09.30 | jleclanche | but you know what the opponents are running so you ban a deck |
| 21:09.32 | Amarande | VIad: too bad, I suppose |
| 21:09.40 | Amarande | act of God, basically, after a fashion :P |
| 21:09.53 | VIad | why is trump loosing? |
| 21:09.55 | VIad | WHY? |
| 21:09.59 | VIad | he never looses in his normal videos |
| 21:10.11 | jleclanche | cause you look at his highlights? |
| 21:10.16 | Amarande | VIad: why did Capablanca lose the world championship to Alekhine, after being basically an almost unbeatable juggernaut for so many years? |
| 21:10.19 | Amarande | no one stays at the top forever |
| 21:10.22 | jleclanche | he often loses. in fact he's been losing a lot lately |
| 21:10.29 | jleclanche | season 4 has been tough |
| 21:10.31 | VIad | I thought they just clip out the pauses on youtube and keep the rest intact |
| 21:10.55 | jleclanche | he doesnt upload everything :p |
| 21:11.15 | jleclanche | besides he has more constant results in arena than ranked |
| 21:12.15 | VIad | I liked it how dota had a website with a lot of explanation on the format, who fights who, e.g. |
| 21:12.23 | VIad | bit hard to see what a loss really means for Trump |
| 21:12.32 | jleclanche | theres a thing somewhere |
| 21:12.34 | jleclanche | idk where. |
| 21:12.55 | jleclanche | i dont care much for tournaments, just the specific players |
| 21:13.02 | jleclanche | and more because i like trump and amaz than anything else |
| 21:13.40 | VIad | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wYP4y8axXqygqOqJg-5r66UVfjkQ_SjXkJi_4aswjZU/htmlview?sle=true |
| 21:13.47 | jleclanche | i find that hearthstone is a fantastic game to watch. i dont know why mobas/rts are so much more popular |
| 21:14.45 | VIad | you probably like chess too |
| 21:14.50 | VIad | but not all like slow paced games :p |
| 21:14.52 | jleclanche | not really |
| 21:15.01 | Amarande | VIad: even chess has lost its slow paced charm :( |
| 21:15.10 | VIad | in dota there is more action, team composition, more people involved |
| 21:15.11 | Amarande | even FIDE tournament time controls are a lot faster than they used to be |
| 21:15.19 | VIad | and bigger playingfield, more stuff to do |
| 21:15.20 | Amarande | and if you want an online chess game that's not blitz? good luck with that, bub :( |
| 21:15.45 | jleclanche | i wouldnt spit on a fast-paced hearthstone with 15 second turns and no anims |
| 21:16.04 | VIad | nozdormu is the worst legendary :p |
| 21:16.10 | Amarande | ah, time per turn might do, heh |
| 21:16.16 | Amarande | if only chess was like that |
| 21:16.22 | Amarande | instead they usually go with fixed time per game |
| 21:16.30 | Amarande | which means eventually it tends to stop being a challenge of skill at all |
| 21:16.32 | VIad | you got clock chess |
| 21:16.42 | jleclanche | chess is a physical game you can do whatever |
| 21:16.44 | Amarande | it just devolves into someone having a little extra time left and/or being able to click the mouse faster |
| 21:16.47 | jleclanche | hearthstone is a closed source online game |
| 21:16.58 | jleclanche | help me with my simulator and we can have some fun. |
| 21:17.20 | Amarande | as in, it stops being about skill of choice of move at all, just who can bang pieces around faster and avoid being the first to run out of time |
| 21:17.35 | Amarande | especially online where the FIDE "insufficient losing chances" rule isn't applied |
| 21:18.02 | Amarande | some players do time increment per move (2 min + 12 sec per move is a semi popular one), but 1, 3, or 5 minutes and that's it seems much more common |
| 21:18.36 | VIad | jleclanche: https://www.google.com/search?q=Legend+of+Crouching+Dragon&source=lnms&tbm=isch |
| 21:18.45 | jleclanche | yes i know |
| 21:18.51 | VIad | :D |
| 21:18.52 | jleclanche | thats different tho |
| 21:18.55 | Amarande | I'm not sure why ever faster pacing is so popular though :| |
| 21:19.08 | VIad | knockoff :( |
| 21:19.29 | jleclanche | thats the problem though people have access to all sorts of game modes but nobody plays around with it |
| 21:19.38 | Amarande | in online chess there's an argument that people feel it's necessary to avoid computer cheating, but ICC in particular actually has analysts that examine games carefully for the use of computer cheating where it is suspected |
| 21:20.05 | Amarande | (i.e. if the time control is fast enough there's no time to keep alt-tabbing to your chess prog to consult it) |
| 21:20.27 | jleclanche | computer cheating should be encouraged :p |
| 21:20.34 | jleclanche | progress, yo |
| 21:20.41 | Amarande | jleclanche: that would probably be the end of human chess altogether |
| 21:20.46 | VIad | play over webcam |
| 21:20.48 | VIad | can't cheat :D |
| 21:20.49 | Amarande | because computers beat humans nowadays by a *huge* margin |
| 21:20.52 | VIad | just need good HD camera |
| 21:21.00 | Amarande | as in even the world human champion can't beat top computers regularly anymore |
| 21:21.14 | Amarande | so basically it would behoove human players to just slavishly obey the computer every move |
| 21:21.21 | VIad | Amarande: then it's not a game |
| 21:21.28 | VIad | then who ever start wins |
| 21:21.30 | jleclanche | a zero player game is still a game |
| 21:21.31 | VIad | pointless |
| 21:21.36 | jleclanche | and thats not the point i was trying to make |
| 21:21.43 | Amarande | which means they might as well just have the computer play (you can actually register a computer account on ICC for just that purpose ... also, the punishment for being caught computer cheating is to have your account perma tagged as "computer") |
| 21:21.45 | jleclanche | computer chess competitions are interesting |
| 21:22.29 | jleclanche | trump is screeeewwed |
| 21:22.34 | Amarande | but yeah, basically the idea is that players are expected to, unless the opponent specifically has the (C) mark after their name, be able to comfortably expect that their opponent is solely a carbon-based player |
| 21:22.59 | VIad | in WOD |
| 21:23.08 | VIad | you have pleasurebot 6000 in your garrison |
| 21:23.09 | VIad | :D |
| 21:23.12 | VIad | how kinky |
| 21:23.22 | Amarande | VIad: does it sell the steamy romance novel items? :) |
| 21:23.31 | VIad | not interractable - yet |
| 21:24.27 | jleclanche | totem is happening either way.. |
| 21:25.03 | VIad | poor trumpy |
| 21:25.40 | VIad | druids looks powerful |
| 21:25.45 | VIad | good early game, great end game |
| 21:25.54 | jleclanche | ouch |
| 21:26.05 | VIad | he should just play frost mage |
| 21:26.07 | VIad | with two ice blocks |
| 21:26.07 | VIad | :D |
| 21:26.11 | VIad | like he did a while ago |
| 21:27.00 | jleclanche | "Zoo, carry me for 3 games somehow." |
| 21:27.08 | karl_w_w | druid always beats shaman |
| 21:27.19 | VIad | karl_w_w: trump would know that |
| 21:27.22 | VIad | but he played shaman anyway |
| 21:27.30 | VIad | calling trump stupid? |
| 21:27.38 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 21:27.56 | karl_w_w | considering he literally just said he doesnt play this matchup so he doesnt know |
| 21:27.59 | VIad | respects karl_w_w oppinion. |
| 21:32.13 | VIad | the only winning move is not play |
| 21:33.50 | VIad | a hundred thousand copper to who ever gets the reference |
| 21:33.52 | Amarande | how about a nice game of global thermonuclear war? :) |
| 21:34.14 | VIad | btw is it pronounced "nuclear" or "nucular"? |
| 21:34.18 | VIad | I just remembered bush :p |
| 21:34.30 | Amarande | nuclear is the correct pronunciation. nucular is a bush-ism |
| 21:34.37 | Shirik | nucular strategory |
| 21:34.39 | VIad | heard others say nucular too :D |
| 21:34.51 | Amarande | yeah, it may be a common and exasperating error |
| 21:34.54 | Amarande | like "artic" |
| 21:35.07 | Neffi | heh |
| 21:35.07 | jleclanche | VIad: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucular |
| 21:35.26 | Neffi | "There's got to be a more efficient way than this. How does another popular addon do it?" exactly the same as my original code <_< |
| 21:36.04 | VIad | Neffi: what adddons xD |
| 21:36.05 | VIad | ? |
| 21:36.31 | Neffi | CoolLine. Not exactly the same in the sense that he ripped off my code. Just in the sense that he decided upon the same way of doing things |
| 21:36.56 | Neffi | Although it's eery that he's even throttling the same events I am. Couldn't have stolen my code though, since I dont believe I ever released it |
| 21:36.58 | VIad | so why fork your addon if its just the same? |
| 21:37.25 | Neffi | I'm not? |
| 21:37.35 | VIad | why did he fork your addon |
| 21:37.42 | VIad | if its the same as your addon :P |
| 21:37.55 | Neffi | He didn't. It's a separate project that just happens to work the same |
| 21:38.19 | Neffi | I'm updating my old addon from WLK to make sure it's still correct for Mists, and slap a new configurable UI on it so I can release it. |
| 21:38.32 | VIad | ahj |
| 21:39.09 | jleclanche | grand theft egg lol |
| 21:41.54 | VIad | game over scrub |
| 21:42.47 | karl_w_w | my deck sucks, you won't find any answer there |
| 21:43.03 | jleclanche | :D |
| 21:43.20 | jleclanche | soulfire seppuku was fitting |
| 21:43.40 | VIad | all heroes should have a hero ability to kill oneself |
| 21:43.49 | VIad | exclusive for self damage |
| 21:44.03 | jleclanche | its called concede |
| 21:44.11 | VIad | yes but this would be fancier |
| 21:44.20 | VIad | like a shortcut to concede, only on the board itself:P |
| 21:44.32 | jleclanche | so you want concede to be fancier then |
| 21:44.32 | jleclanche | :p |
| 21:44.38 | VIad | clicking anywhere on the sand concedes |
| 21:44.52 | jleclanche | THE SAND IS LAVA |
| 21:44.56 | VIad | ! |
| 21:45.08 | VIad | WTB custom game modes |
| 21:45.09 | VIad | for fun |
| 21:45.13 | VIad | i.e. no minion mode |
| 21:45.16 | VIad | no spells |
| 21:45.18 | VIad | no taunts |
| 21:45.20 | VIad | e.g. |
| 21:45.28 | VIad | like a huge checkbox grid where you pick what you want on/off |
| 21:45.30 | jleclanche | this is why simulators exist :p |
| 21:45.41 | VIad | no but it would be fun to play wit ha friend, for fun |
| 21:45.45 | VIad | make some weird gamemode |
| 21:46.18 | VIad | "only one instance of a card" :D |
| 21:46.22 | VIad | would be a fun one |
| 21:46.28 | VIad | tons of different cards |
| 21:51.26 | jleclanche | i have a lot of love towards custom game modes |
| 21:51.40 | jleclanche | i think it comes from my love of Worms and how customizable the games are |
| 21:58.42 | Stanzilla | Simca: is there a way you can provide kagaro with some dbc files so he can fix up LibMapData? |
| 21:58.59 | Simca | sure, ofc |
| 21:59.01 | Simca | what's he need |
| 21:59.17 | kagaro | sec |
| 22:05.00 | jleclanche | VIad: you still watching trump? that was beautiful |
| 22:05.09 | VIad | ^^ |
| 22:05.13 | jleclanche | working around defender + knife juggler with an enrage |
| 22:12.54 | Ressy | Wowdb's not wod-ready? |
| 22:14.51 | Amarande | VIad: yeah, one instance of a card sounds interesting ... kinda like Commander |
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| 22:20.42 | jleclanche | !api chatframe |
| 22:20.42 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'chatframe': ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter, ChatFrame_RemoveMessageEventFilter, ChatFrame_GetMessageEventFilters |
| 22:20.50 | jleclanche | !api maxline |
| 22:20.50 | lua_bot | Found 4 possible results for 'maxline': ScrollingMessageFrame:SetMaxLines, ScrollingMessageFrame:GetMaxLines, FontString:GetMaxLines, FontString:SetMaxLines |
| 22:21.56 | VIad | Ressy: they got a beta switch |
| 22:22.20 | kd3 | beta.wowdb.com |
| 22:26.35 | jleclanche | !api getglyphinfo |
| 22:26.35 | lua_bot | GetGlyphInfo: Returns information about a glyph in the glyph list (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetGlyphInfo) |
| 22:29.58 | Stanzilla | kagaro: did you get what you needed? |
| 22:30.10 | kagaro | yes and no stan |
| 22:30.35 | Stanzilla | anything we can help you with? |
| 22:32.14 | VIad | kagaro: what you want mf? |
| 22:32.23 | VIad | mf = my friend, not the other one |
| 22:32.38 | kagaro | i fixed it, had wrong runtime invoked |
| 22:32.57 | kagaro | Stanzilla you running in beta? |
| 22:33.58 | kagaro | Stanzilla gist for libmapdata WOD edition https://gist.github.com/washu/808654b32a37c57a2c31 |
| 22:35.09 | kagaro | if you wana check it out Stanzilla |
| 22:35.15 | VIad | why is LibMapData better than Astrolabe? :O |
| 22:35.21 | VIad | Astrolabe been around for many expansions |
| 22:36.03 | Ressy | ahh.. I didn't see the switch. |
| 22:36.05 | Ressy | Thank you guys! |
| 22:36.06 | Stanzilla | kagaro: yes will test, remember to sign up for beta on wowi! |
| 22:36.22 | kagaro | libmapdata is just data not a minimap pin management system |
| 22:36.29 | kagaro | so 0 cpu to use it |
| 22:36.41 | VIad | but, but... |
| 22:37.08 | kagaro | it also covers area astrolabe doesnt since it uses dbc dataset |
| 22:37.23 | VIad | but astrolabe is designed to be dbc idependent, and it works! |
| 22:37.54 | VIad | <3 astrolabe |
| 22:38.01 | VIad | I don't want to see it go :( |
| 22:38.06 | kagaro | i made it for gathermate since we didnt need astrolabe management system |
| 22:38.20 | Stanzilla | VIad: why would it die, Esamynn|Away did not die :p |
| 22:38.35 | kagaro | gotta run Stanzilla lemme know if you find any issues |
| 22:38.48 | Ressy | Ahh.. Astrolabe. |
| 22:39.05 | Stanzilla | kagaro: logging in just now and ok! |
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| 22:45.50 | Stanzilla | kagaro: I'll just post everything I find on that gist |
| 22:49.14 | Shirik | I don't know if I linked this but here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYDza1iznhI |
| 23:07.52 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: ahaha |
| 23:08.04 | jleclanche | trump got DESTROYED |
| 23:08.25 | jleclanche | rogue played it right and he had mc tech which he had been talking about all evening |
| 23:09.49 | Ressy | Is there a script or something quick to get an itemid? |
| 23:09.59 | jleclanche | Ressy: GetItemInfo |
| 23:10.02 | Ressy | thx. :) |
| 23:10.21 | Semlar | to get it from what |
| 23:10.34 | Ressy | on mouseover? |
| 23:10.50 | Semlar | the item in the tooltip? |
| 23:11.27 | Ressy | yeah? |
| 23:11.59 | Semlar | GameTooltip:GetItem() |
| 23:12.23 | VIad | jleclanche: I never expected trump to get destroyed like this tbh |
| 23:12.28 | VIad | never saw him in a tournament before now either |
| 23:12.51 | jleclanche | VIad: i was talking about his arena match just now |
| 23:12.55 | Semlar | second return is the link and you can pull the itemID out of that |
| 23:12.58 | VIad | :P |
| 23:13.27 | Ressy | I see it. :) |
| 23:13.44 | Ressy | getting used to /dump'ing stuff these days and figuring out what part I need. lol |
| 23:14.30 | Semlar | i wrote an addon that just puts ids in practically every tooltip for everything |
| 23:15.15 | Ressy | This one item doesn't seem to exist yet.. |
| 23:15.25 | Ressy | but it has an itemid |
| 23:15.27 | VIad | if you are on beta and got a "?" item then its just a bug |
| 23:15.31 | VIad | it exists in the dbc |
| 23:15.33 | Ressy | yeah |
| 23:15.38 | Ressy | Truesteel Greataxe |
| 23:15.52 | Ressy | but mouseover worked for it. :) |
| 23:16.02 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/WFBa66LN |
| 23:16.21 | Semlar | i might have to modify this for the beta |
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| 23:20.31 | Semlar | neffi i think i figured out where the water was coming from |
| 23:20.41 | Semlar | i took my entire car door apart |
| 23:20.42 | Neffi | you found the trolls? |
| 23:21.31 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure the water is getting in through the side mirror, draining into the door and traveling along a bar down to the speaker where it's coming out through a hole into the cabin |
| 23:22.11 | Neffi | ack |
| 23:22.51 | Semlar | so i'm just going to seal off the hole from the mirror enclosure into the door as best as i can |
| 23:23.45 | Semlar | i think it's supposed to drain into the door and just come out through holes in the bottom of the door panel |
| 23:23.53 | Semlar | outside |
| 23:26.08 | Semlar | i don't know if i can completely seal off the hole going into the door because there are wires routed through it to control the mirror |
| 23:27.43 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.54 | Neffi | it's how I sealed the wire hole in my house |
| 23:27.58 | Semlar | i was thinking about filling it with expanding foam |
| 23:28.19 | Neffi | alternately, see if the hole in the door panel can be filled |
| 23:28.34 | Semlar | that won't be possible |
| 23:28.46 | Semlar | it's part of the speaker enclosure |
| 23:28.57 | Neffi | ic |
| 23:28.59 | kullervo | Semlar: it's entirely possible to do good seals even if there are wires |
| 23:29.28 | kullervo | it just might take effort |
| 23:29.47 | Semlar | duct tape everywhere |
| 23:30.13 | Neffi | Semlar: this pastebin of yours. It seems like it's for seeing what kind of info was used to fill the tooltip. Correct? |
| 23:30.24 | Stanzilla | jleclanche: so your new headphones..how good are they? |
| 23:30.35 | Semlar | it tells me what function populated the tooltip and the id if possible |
| 23:30.41 | kullervo | Semlar: no not duct tape. You'll want glue or something. |
| 23:30.47 | jleclanche | Stanzilla: excellent. but i have to work on them; they are bluetooth only and the linux bluetooth stack is not all it is |
| 23:31.03 | jleclanche | really good purchase so far |
| 23:31.15 | Semlar | Neffi: i think i have it disabled for units but it identifies most other tooltips |
| 23:31.18 | Neffi | Semlar: add this: debugstack(2,1,0):match("in function `([^']+)'") or '?' |
| 23:31.28 | Neffi | see what made the call to fill the tooltip |
| 23:31.32 | Neffi | Fails on tail calls though |
| 23:31.45 | Semlar | what is that |
| 23:31.55 | Neffi | get the name of the function that called your function |
| 23:32.10 | Neffi | or 3,1,0 for the name of the one that called that one, etc |
| 23:33.06 | Neffi | useful little snippet for figuring out which parts of FrameXML are doing what with some objects |
| 23:33.18 | jleclanche | dat brawl |
| 23:33.32 | Semlar | i didn't know you could trace the function calls |
| 23:33.57 | Neffi | Like I said, it fails if the call is a tail call. But works otherwise |
| 23:34.10 | Semlar | booty call? |
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| 23:34.14 | Neffi | lol |
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| 23:36.39 | Neffi | oh, you're probably right. it probably doesnt get info past a hooksecurefunc() |
| 23:53.09 | Neffi | hey Semlar, you in WoW? |
| 23:53.13 | Semlar | no |
| 23:53.32 | Neffi | Can somebody test something for me? Can't really do it on the trial |
| 23:54.11 | Neffi | I wanna know if GetItemCooldown(itemID) works for an equipped item like a DPS trinket |
| 23:54.23 | Neffi | (only works with itemID) |
| 23:54.41 | Semlar | something with a Use? |
| 23:55.02 | Neffi | yes |
| 23:55.04 | Semlar | it wouldn't work for internal cooldowns |
| 23:55.14 | Neffi | No. That needs special-case handling |
| 23:55.29 | Neffi | to-be-implemented, because that's a little bit of a bitch |
| 23:55.38 | Semlar | if the item is on cooldown it probably works |
| 23:55.53 | Semlar | i think it worked when i tried it with my synapse springs |
| 23:56.03 | Neffi | My existing code is using GetInventoryItemCooldown, and there might be a reason for that |
| 23:56.46 | Semlar | dunno |
| 23:57.31 | Neffi | I'll leave the old code commented out, and test it when I sub then |
| 23:58.51 | Neffi | ~framexml |
| 23:58.52 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Extract it yourself by following intructions on http://wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard's_interface_code ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml |
| 23:59.32 | Semlar | GetInventoryItemCooldown is probably safer |
