| 00:14.13 | pompy | Torhal: so random |
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| 00:14.56 | Torhal | Dagmar: Hahahahaha |
| 00:15.00 | Torhal | pompy: Newp. |
| 00:34.25 | Jamash | Happy birthday to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 00:35.16 | Thunder_Child | No. |
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| 03:37.51 | Simca | <jleclanche> things i want: a json command line tool |
| 03:38.01 | Simca | couldn't you make in C# in like five minutes? |
| 03:39.01 | jleclanche | Simca: no because that would require a mono setup |
| 03:39.04 | jleclanche | so more like five days |
| 03:39.18 | jleclanche | Simca: also, yeah it could easily be done but i want a high quality one |
| 03:39.26 | jleclanche | with syntax highlight and paging and all that |
| 03:39.34 | jleclanche | a few hours of hacking maybe but cba :p |
| 03:39.36 | Simca | ah |
| 03:40.23 | Simca | none of the hundreds of diff tools out there did what I want so I had to make one (compare hash of a line) |
| 03:40.56 | Simca | json would probably be even easier if you didn't want a million features |
| 03:41.04 | jleclanche | i figure what i want is probably out there already |
| 03:41.10 | jleclanche | i found some shitty web UIs that do it |
| 03:41.14 | jleclanche | friggin node |
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| 05:04.30 | Neffi | Anyone know of the brand Team? |
| 05:05.32 | Neffi | Their RAM is cheap as hell compared to equivalently specced stuff from G.Skill and the like, and their reviews seem good. Not sure if trustworthy |
| 05:06.11 | Semlar | i probably wouldn't buy anything cheaper than gskill |
| 05:06.26 | Neffi | gskill is my go-to recommendation, but the prices on this stuff is incredible |
| 05:06.48 | Neffi | Like, between 20 and 60% off of the equivalent gskill model |
| 05:07.40 | Neffi | The heat spreaders aren't pretty, so I'm guessing maybe that's it. I'm thinking people buy for cool-looking heat spreaders, really. Explains why Corsair sells RAM specced worse than GSkill for twice the price |
| 05:08.05 | Semlar | when i buy ram i generally buy the cheapest of whatever amount of ram i'm looking for |
| 05:08.19 | Semlar | and just completely ignore the voltages and whatever |
| 05:08.29 | Semlar | because it makes almost no difference |
| 05:09.15 | Neffi | yeah. and it's all OEMed from like a few sources, so it's literally the same thing. but I'm wondering if they cut costs with poor quality control and not honoring their warranty (though it's lifetime) |
| 05:11.22 | Semlar | team seems fine |
| 05:11.58 | Neffi | Ah. Now I find the reports of heatsinks falling off, and packages arriving torn apart with broken sticks |
| 05:17.12 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.16 | Neffi | D: |
| 05:18.39 | Neffi | I love that car |
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| 05:18.56 | Semlar | they don't have anything under the hood |
| 05:19.18 | Neffi | I believe the liquid cooling system for the batteries and motor are under there |
| 05:19.29 | Neffi | Oh, and I think the motor is front wheel, so that's under there too |
| 05:19.39 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.05 | Neffi | As you can see, there's a lot of extra space not occupied by the compartment |
| 05:20.11 | Neffi | The motor is relatively tiny |
| 05:20.35 | Neffi | If ever I could afford that thing, it'd be a struggle between this and the A7. Both incredible cars |
| 05:22.26 | Semlar | well in another 50 years when we've run out of gas we won't have much choice |
| 05:22.49 | Semlar | we we've got that to look forward to |
| 05:23.05 | Neffi | Somebody might have just found a way to safely burn ammonia or hydrogen |
| 05:23.24 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/07/hydrogen-powered-cars-may-be-fueled-by-stored-ammonia/ |
| 05:23.28 | Semlar | why we gotta burn everything |
| 05:23.42 | Neffi | They both burn clean. |
| 05:23.54 | Semlar | just put a nuclear reactor in there |
| 05:24.34 | Neffi | Haven't heard of the thorium powered car that will drives for like a hundred billion years on a fuel recharge? (or some ludicrous shit like that) |
| 05:25.06 | Neffi | Semlar: http://youtu.be/568iDYn8pjc |
| 05:25.26 | Semlar | we could power a city block on a reactor the size of a housecat |
| 05:28.07 | Neffi | afaik it doesn't matter if the reactor is the size of a cat. you still need a shitload of other equipment to run it |
| 05:28.15 | Neffi | you won't fit a reactor in a car |
| 05:29.54 | Semlar | but noo nuclear power is dangerous! |
| 05:30.17 | Neffi | stahp it semlar |
| 05:30.29 | Neffi | when you say that, stupid people don't know you're joking |
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| 05:54.06 | Neffi | ummm, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA3SD1JE2048 |
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| 06:37.21 | pompy | Neffi: silly 3rd party merchants |
| 06:49.03 | Iriel | sleeps |
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| 07:24.05 | Mr_Rabies | oh dolby is the minion developer? :O |
| 07:24.30 | Mr_Rabies | rad |
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| 07:52.40 | Cairenn | In part, yes |
| 07:53.51 | Fisker | develops Cairenn in part |
| 07:53.57 | Cairenn | lol |
| 08:00.31 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/EqhecIa.png <-Poor germany we have to do all the celebrating for them |
| 08:30.03 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/nhZeafO.jpg |
| 08:33.55 | Maldivia | Mr_Rabies: there are a few of those, yeah :) |
| 08:34.06 | Mr_Rabies | it reminds me of venture brother |
| 08:34.08 | Mr_Rabies | s |
| 08:34.25 | Mr_Rabies | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U62vMI8Npfo |
| 08:36.23 | Mr_Rabies | better clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y2gdLDzjt0 |
| 08:36.51 | Mr_Rabies | i guess :( |
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| 09:31.04 | tinystomper | in wow lua, besides tables, how else can you 'leak' memory? can it happen if you're processing (ie: sub sampling) thousands and thousands of strings? |
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| 09:39.17 | Neffi_ | tinystomper: Well strings consume memory if that's what you're asking. And if you're keeping references to them lying around unused, it will accumulate |
| 09:40.25 | Neffi_ | tinystomper: But in Lua two things to know: strings are interned, so each unique string is only stored once; and once there are no more references to a string (or any other objects), it automatically gets (marked for) deletion |
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| 10:01.17 | tinystomper | if i'm not holding a reference to it, how can it continue to accumulate/leak? |
| 10:01.33 | tinystomper | couild it be held in a global somewhere? |
| 10:08.50 | Workfoz | millions of unique strings could well do that on their own until they're collected, no? |
| 10:12.14 | tinystomper | but wouldn't the memory usage drop if i manually pushed a garbage collection? that's not happening |
| 10:17.34 | Workfoz | I'd expect so, yes |
| 10:18.13 | Workfoz | lacking further insight, I'd say they don't fit the "not accessible from Lua anymore" qualifier to be collected - or they are not the source of your problems |
| 10:20.44 | tinystomper | if i stop message flow, leaks stop. timers still going, so that's not it. there's something when processing a message that 'leaks' over time. |
| 10:21.05 | VIad | hooksecure or HookScript |
| 10:21.17 | VIad | you sure those don't overlap? |
| 10:22.18 | tinystomper | well, without messaging, the timed event to send msg bundles wouldn't trigger. so the outbound calls to b.net wouldn't be happening |
| 10:23.02 | Workfoz | I guess with the relevant code, some of the wizards in here could probably figure it out ^^ |
| 10:23.15 | tinystomper | i've been wondering if there's a 'stealth' table leak somewhere, like what happens if you constantly call time to get timezone info (it leaks a system table every time, no reuse) |
| 10:23.52 | tinystomper | the code is available. solidice.com/oqueue |
| 10:24.35 | tinystomper | one thought i've had. if i do this: |
| 10:24.57 | tinystomper | function doit() local i; i = "hello"; end |
| 10:25.27 | tinystomper | is 'i' a local or global, since the declaration didn't assign a value, and stayed nil |
| 10:26.45 | Workfoz | maybe point out which function you're having problems with, too? ;) |
| 10:27.15 | Workfoz | "local i" is local |
| 10:27.33 | tinystomper | if i knew which function, i'd be more able to find it. i'm looking for an understanding what makes a 'leak' (lua is not my langauge) |
| 10:27.47 | Workfoz | ah |
| 10:28.35 | tinystomper | if i understand it properly, if i were to do 'local i = 0' it would create an entry in the 'local table' (whatever that is). similar to __locals[i] = 0 |
| 10:28.37 | Workfoz | you can run stuff through "luac -l" to see if you're leaking globals |
| 10:28.50 | Workfoz | although Mikk's FindGlobals script is probably more user-friendly: http://www.wowace.com/addons/findglobals/ |
| 10:29.08 | tinystomper | but if i just do 'local i ;' ... then it would be equivalent to '__locals[i] = nil ;' which would create nothing |
| 10:29.43 | tinystomper | and then when i do 'i = 5;' on the next line, it'd check the __locals table, see no entry, then push it up to the global table |
| 10:30.04 | tinystomper | is this how it's supposed to work?? |
| 10:30.24 | tinystomper | luac ?? |
| 10:30.27 | Workfoz | I don't think so, but I (also) have only a rudimentary understanding of it |
| 10:30.50 | Workfoz | yeah, lua compiler, one of the lua binaries |
| 10:31.44 | Workfoz | (the "local table" you're thinking of resides in the Lua virtual machine's registers, btw) |
| 10:32.48 | Workfoz | btw |
| 10:32.49 | Workfoz | http://www.lua.org/pil/4.2.html |
| 10:33.12 | Workfoz | has a clear example that "local x" without an assignment still makes the variable local |
| 10:34.05 | Workfoz | (or the reference itself: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.4.7 -- the assignment is optional) |
| 10:35.12 | Arrowmaster | fuck i forgot to download a new audiobook lastnight |
| 10:35.32 | Arrowmaster | maybe i can transfer enough files from my home computer after it downloads while im at work for the drive home |
| 10:36.21 | tinystomper | so 'luac -l' checks for globals? |
| 10:37.39 | Workfoz | it's not that simple, no |
| 10:38.11 | Workfoz | it lists the bytecode instructions |
| 10:38.29 | Workfoz | which include GETGLOBAL and SETGLOBAL |
| 10:38.55 | Workfoz | see above, mikk's FindGlobals script is probably more user-friendly |
| 10:38.57 | tinystomper | yea... tried pushing the .toc and the main .lua file thru it... no joy |
| 10:39.34 | Workfoz | meaning what |
| 10:39.45 | Workfoz | doesn't work? or says "all fine" (I've last used it 5 years ago or so xD) |
| 10:41.10 | tinystomper | it doesn't like utf-8 files |
| 10:41.25 | Workfoz | of course it doesn't, neither does WoW :p |
| 10:41.40 | Workfoz | save it without the BOM |
| 10:41.47 | tinystomper | sorta required for some languages |
| 10:42.00 | Workfoz | not having the BOM doesn't mean you can't have it as utf-8 |
| 10:43.02 | Workfoz | (also, Cogwheel's Lua-wow package referred to in the FindGlobals description ignores the BOM :-)) |
| 10:44.47 | tinystomper | removed the BOM from all utf-8 files... checking |
| 10:46.36 | tinystomper | luac -l oqueue.lua | head --> 0+ params, 209 slots, 0 upvalues, 175 locals, 1900 constants, 1063 functions |
| 10:47.18 | tinystomper | so i'd be looking for things in the global table that shouldn't be there? |
| 10:51.14 | tinystomper | why would the saved_variables table, specified in the .toc as OQ_data, be referenced in the global list 834 times? shouldn't it be just once?? |
| 10:51.36 | Workfoz | I don't think "head" will get you the information. http://www.wowace.com/addons/findglobals/ references "luac -l | grep ?ETGLOBAL" - which I previously mentioned, too |
| 10:52.12 | Workfoz | I have no idea, I can't see what you're looking at (: also, just trying to point in (hopefully) the right direction ^^ |
| 10:52.18 | tinystomper | right. wc -l shows 3853 lines |
| 10:52.27 | Workfoz | perhaps when the US wakes up there'll be more helpful input |
| 10:52.43 | tinystomper | no, i appreciate any insight. i know no one that does anything with lua |
| 10:53.15 | Workfoz | well, you came to the right place :-D |
| 10:53.38 | tinystomper | i've been doing c/c++ since the mid 80s... all the ppl i know (that are still in the industry) are doing that kind of work |
| 10:53.40 | Workfoz | Germans are probably still drunk/celebrating, French are probably celebrating, too, US is about to wake up... it's hopefully going to get more lively hin here in a while ^^ |
| 10:53.53 | tinystomper | you in the UK? |
| 10:54.03 | VIad | tinystomper: just randomly found "l" on 8947 being referenced without existing |
| 10:54.09 | VIad | (i.e. global leak to a nil) |
| 10:54.27 | tinystomper | wait.. please explain |
| 10:54.44 | tinystomper | 'I' is that an 'eye' or an 'elle' ? |
| 10:54.47 | VIad | line 8947 you have a variable "l" in a function, there is no "l" defined in the function :D |
| 10:54.48 | VIad | L |
| 10:55.03 | tinystomper | thx checking |
| 10:55.18 | VIad | just randomly saw it |
| 10:56.17 | VIad | tinystomper: http://pastebin.com/PwDjr6QT |
| 10:56.29 | VIad | oqueue.lua dump of SET and GET GLOBALS |
| 10:56.38 | tinystomper | yup.. that's a typo |
| 10:58.07 | VIad | things like Register_Logout_Prehook could contribute |
| 10:58.10 | Workfoz | formatting, info and Register_Logout_Prehook look "questionable" |
| 10:58.19 | VIad | if it is called more than once, you have hooked the functions on multiple levels |
| 10:58.24 | Workfoz | the OQ_ ones are clearly intentional and the SLASH_ ones are unavoidable |
| 10:58.25 | VIad | Workfoz: |
| 10:58.29 | Workfoz | ^^ |
| 10:59.10 | Workfoz | time to find some food, the sun came out :D |
| 10:59.36 | VIad | the way _to_name and _player_name are used those should be locals and not in the global scope :p but only found one reference to _player_name so probably dead code |
| 11:00.05 | tinystomper | should be player_name ... typo |
| 11:00.06 | VIad | look through the list for now |
| 11:00.35 | VIad | if things like "font" leak it might conflict with other addons and code :p |
| 11:00.57 | tinystomper | font leak?? |
| 11:02.17 | VIad | I mean you reference "font" but never saw it declared in the file, might be a constant you use from global scope |
| 11:02.31 | VIad | in any case you reference to it in the getglobals section of the dump :p |
| 11:02.36 | Workfoz | if a variable named "font" leaks, and other addons try accessing a global variable "font" at the same time, you have a problem |
| 11:02.54 | Workfoz | (which is the entire point of not polluting the global namespace. the performance issues are secondary) |
| 11:03.12 | Workfoz | (and by leak we don't mean memory leak, but "unintentionally appear in the global scope") |
| 11:03.49 | tinystomper | font could be relating to OQ.FONT defined in oqueue.defines.lua |
| 11:04.44 | VIad | somewhere you use just font, not oq.font, might be getting nil or other values if other code interracts with it :3 |
| 11:05.32 | tinystomper | it's amazing how much you can take something as common as a complier for granted |
| 11:05.58 | VIad | I remember oqueue was one of your first addons for wow, if not mistaken. |
| 11:06.09 | tinystomper | yes |
| 11:06.36 | tinystomper | where did you see 'font' referenced? |
| 11:06.38 | VIad | there are a lot of small things you don't notice until you encounter the issues associated. |
| 11:06.49 | VIad | just the dump log I posted |
| 11:06.55 | VIad | but it's somewhere in oqueue.lua : |
| 11:07.12 | tinystomper | checking |
| 11:07.23 | VIad | gotta prep for work, not muich work, but work non the less :p |
| 11:07.25 | tinystomper | btw, what was the command line that produced the file? |
| 11:07.37 | VIad | ah I use findglobals.bat thingy |
| 11:07.52 | VIad | but modified it a bit and second parsed it to make a simple list for me to debug with |
| 11:08.09 | VIad | but its the findglobals lua script package from curse/wowace |
| 11:08.27 | tinystomper | got it |
| 11:08.29 | tinystomper | thx |
| 11:14.57 | tinystomper | it'd be cool if we could drop the known blizz functions from the output |
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| 11:55.33 | tinystomper | yea, i found it. been crawling thru the output of that de-linting file |
| 11:56.18 | tinystomper | the cmd i'm using to generate the file: |
| 11:56.19 | tinystomper | luac -l -p oqueue.lua | lua ../findglobals/globals.lua oqueue.lua | grep ETGLOBAL | awk '{print $6}' | sort | uniq |
| 11:56.57 | tinystomper | anyone know where i can get a list of known blizz and blizz-supported lua functions? |
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| 13:30.03 | p3lim | Torhal: why did you split ARL into multiple downloads instead of just unembedded in the one download? |
| 13:30.12 | p3lim | Seems a lot of work for the end user if he wants all of them |
| 13:40.09 | Workfoz | because huuuuge, IIRC. |
| 13:42.35 | VIad | ARL is that addon that was drawing in the world? |
| 13:43.05 | VIad | p3lim: |
| 13:43.27 | p3lim | Ackis' Recipe List |
| 13:43.29 | p3lim | :p |
| 13:44.20 | p3lim | I understand the reason behind splitting up the addon itself, wow doesn't like large databases, but it doesn't make sense splitting it into 10 downloads |
| 13:44.40 | p3lim | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info8512-AckisRecipeList.html |
| 13:45.57 | zenzelezz | I was going to say "size", but since none of them look like they're over 100 kb... |
| 13:47.05 | Kalroth | that's still a lot of you're playing WoW from a 33.6k dialup |
| 13:48.45 | tinystomper | where are you playing wow from? the 1990s? |
| 13:49.23 | p3lim | you can't blame this on comcast |
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| 13:49.40 | Kalroth | :D |
| 13:49.43 | tinystomper | comcast... taking YOU into the 90s |
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| 13:50.46 | p3lim | just happy I live in a country where the shit they pull off is illegal |
| 13:51.36 | p3lim | I pay for 50/50, I get 60/55 because the provider would rather give me more than be subject of complaints/legal action |
| 13:52.18 | tinystomper | i pay for 30/5 and i get 20/2 because... f*ck me |
| 13:52.46 | p3lim | curious tho, what do you pay for that? |
| 13:53.03 | tinystomper | $60/mon + taxes |
| 13:53.13 | tinystomper | only internet |
| 13:53.39 | tinystomper | competition is.. nonexistent |
| 13:53.41 | p3lim | I pay the same incl taxes |
| 13:53.51 | Kalroth | we're actually seeing ISPs compete on removing the "up-to bandwidth" and advertising guaranteed speeds here |
| 13:54.01 | p3lim | actually, I pay $55 incl taxes for 50/50 |
| 13:54.29 | tinystomper | where? what region? |
| 13:54.41 | p3lim | norway |
| 13:54.47 | Kalroth | i pay $70 usd/50 eur for my 150/15 cable (denmark) |
| 13:54.57 | Kalroth | but i also got a 2500GB monthly fair use limit |
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| 13:55.04 | p3lim | I can get 100/100 for $72 incl taxes |
| 13:55.15 | tinystomper | ah. in the US our providers are trying to squeeze every last cent out of their legacy hardware |
| 13:55.15 | Fisker | hugs Lopeppeppy |
| 13:55.36 | Kalroth | this is legacy too, it's standard cable equipment, not fiber |
| 13:55.44 | p3lim | our entire city, one of the largest in the country upgraded to fiber a couple of years back |
| 13:55.50 | karl_w_w | ValveTime in action: http://www.dota2.com/international/watch/July14/ |
| 13:55.50 | p3lim | the entire city got rewired |
| 13:56.14 | p3lim | and I don't have capacity caps |
| 13:56.17 | tinystomper | just this area has about 1m people and was wired in the mid to late 90s for cable |
| 13:56.48 | p3lim | yeah we only have like 200k or so living here |
| 13:56.55 | tinystomper | 20+ yr old tech. needs replacing/upgrade |
| 13:57.01 | p3lim | expensive tho |
| 13:57.18 | tinystomper | the upgrade will be 100mb up/dn wirelsss when it comes |
| 13:57.41 | tinystomper | far too many people to run fiber the last mile |
| 13:58.13 | tinystomper | unless they changed building codes to include a requirement for integrated fiber lines |
| 14:00.39 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Fiskerboo. Happy July. |
| 14:01.39 | tinystomper | does anyone know is the bandwidth info on BrokerCPU is accurate? |
| 14:02.52 | Fisker | There are happy versions of things Lopeppeppy ? |
| 14:03.14 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, fer sher, Fisker. |
| 14:03.18 | Fisker | If you found July can you go look for me? |
| 14:05.21 | Workfoz | VIad: you were thinking of AVR |
| 14:07.49 | Workfoz | tinystomper: it'll be as accurate as the WoW API provides |
| 14:07.55 | Workfoz | i.e. "who knows" ^^ |
| 14:08.04 | Lopeppeppy | There are happy versions of things, but not happy versions of everything, Fisker. |
| 14:08.10 | tinystomper | it doesn't seem to update |
| 14:08.19 | Fisker | Damn |
| 14:08.52 | Workfoz | no idea what that particular addon does =) |
| 14:25.19 | Torhal | p3lim: Not all of the professions will be updated at once except for new expansion releases and the occasional content patch. |
| 14:26.09 | karl_w_w | 100/100, tinystomper? our government is spending $30bn+ to give everyone 25/2 |
| 14:26.52 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/ZzdzPTu |
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| 14:42.48 | Workfoz | karl_w_w: I thought that was the previous government and the current one is doing jack shit? :D |
| 14:46.34 | karl_w_w | no the previous government was spending 36 or something to give us all 1 gb |
| 14:46.49 | karl_w_w | and yes this one is essentially doing jack shit |
| 14:47.00 | karl_w_w | they're just spending 30 billion doing it |
| 14:49.50 | tinystomper | well, 'spending' is all relative... as it ends up in the bank accounts of various politicans |
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| 16:12.47 | Shirik | http://gawker.com/france-bans-work-email-after-6-p-m-1561752788/all |
| 16:13.06 | Fisker | old Shirik |
| 16:13.13 | Shirik | :< |
| 16:13.26 | Fisker | It's ok I still like you |
| 16:14.24 | tinystomper | sounds like france is about to shift the work day from 9a-5p to 6a-2p |
| 16:16.58 | pompy | so that and the book selling thing lol |
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| 16:18.37 | TC-Work | tinystomper: That way they can make dinner for you by the time you get home. |
| 16:19.45 | tinystomper | of course, there's another issue with banning work emails after 6pm... who uses email anymore? |
| 16:20.01 | pompy | Raspberry Pi trending on facebook bc of their new board https://www.facebook.com/topic/Raspberry-Pi/203144396396318?source=whfrt&position=2&trqid=6035950441593046456 |
| 16:22.08 | jleclanche | pompy: i should run down to the office see if i can get one for free! |
| 16:23.47 | pompy | jleclanche: doo eet. |
| 16:23.53 | jleclanche | :3 |
| 16:23.56 | Lopeppeppy | Doo eet NAOW. |
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| 16:32.55 | Fisker | do you want candy Lopeppeppy ? |
| 16:33.06 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty desperately, Fisker. |
| 16:33.35 | Fisker | :O |
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| 16:34.41 | Fisker | Too bad I can't give you any post-haste then |
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| 16:52.38 | Lopeppeppy | I just went and got some with lunch. |
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| 16:57.33 | Violante | I have a question, i'm writing a plugin that shows how many warforged seals you have, but i can't get the icon to show up. is there somewhere i can find the exact name so i can reference it right in the lua? |
| 16:58.12 | VIad | :D |
| 16:58.14 | VIad | yes Violante |
| 16:58.22 | VIad | static icon path or dynamic by using API? |
| 16:58.39 | VIad | for static just look on wowhead and find their icon image name |
| 16:59.04 | VIad | dynamic by API then look at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCurrencyInfo |
| 16:59.05 | Violante | ok, i'll try that. ty |
| 17:06.06 | Violante | ok i fixed the icon issue. it shows now. but its not pulling the correct number. so i'll have to take a look. |
| 17:07.59 | Lopeppeppy | Heisenberg API - you cannot have one be accurate without the other being wrong. :) |
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| 17:13.01 | Violante | i already did one for timeless coins and it works perfectly. you'd think the same thing would work for warforged seals. |
| 17:13.49 | Fisker | I ate dinner Lopeppeppy |
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| 17:15.30 | Lopeppeppy | I just had some very indifferent pudding. |
| 17:16.02 | Fisker | D: |
| 17:16.25 | karl_w_w | pompy, facebook trends are so important |
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| 17:17.48 | Lopeppeppy | Also, two foods that I'm mildly allergic to - and they tasted damn good. |
| 17:21.07 | Violante | http://pastebin.com/TE3Gu4TT is there something wrong in this code. its the same as my timeless coins one but its just showing Warforged Seals: 0 instead of 8 |
| 17:23.26 | Fisker | What two foods Lopeppeppy ? |
| 17:24.13 | Lopeppeppy | Mushrooms and blue cheese dressing. I'm allergic to molds. |
| 17:26.49 | Fisker | ah |
| 17:27.20 | Fisker | Beam me up Lopeppeppy |
| 17:27.37 | Lopeppeppy | Where and when? |
| 17:27.59 | Fisker | idk |
| 17:28.11 | Fisker | The Bridge, now? |
| 17:28.54 | Lopeppeppy | Roster's full, you'll have to wait until shift change. |
| 17:29.12 | Fisker | :( |
| 17:29.18 | Fisker | In your ready room then? |
| 17:29.51 | Lopeppeppy | The D&D setup is all over the place in there. |
| 17:30.16 | Fisker | Cool |
| 17:30.18 | Fisker | Lets play |
| 17:32.49 | Lopeppeppy | You've been eaten by a grue. Re-roll. |
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| 17:44.30 | Fisker | btw Lopeppeppy |
| 17:45.08 | Fisker | When you dream about being an assassin infiltrating Putin's inner circle and you fail assassinating him at an abandoned gas station because you see an old friend and chase him while texting smileys to him |
| 17:45.10 | Fisker | what does that mean |
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| 17:45.54 | Lopeppeppy | That you should have had one less drink with dinner. |
| 17:45.57 | Dagmar | It means put down the damn phone. |
| 17:46.06 | Lopeppeppy | If you were texting threats, it would mean that you should eat more beets. |
| 17:47.00 | Fisker | I don't like beets |
| 17:48.35 | Lopeppeppy | You asked for meaning, not valid culinary choices. |
| 17:50.03 | Fisker | :( |
| 17:54.53 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/M6VrVO7.jpg <-Didn't know this place existed |
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| 18:46.40 | Neffi | nasty bit o' business http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/07/obama-administration-says-the-worlds-servers-are-ours/ |
| 18:48.52 | Kalroth | hardly a surprise |
| 18:49.33 | Kalroth | any US company not sharing their data are afterall supporting terrorists and pedophiles |
| 18:50.23 | Fisker | Super troll super troll does whatever a super troll does |
| 18:50.51 | Kalroth | you're just jealous, Fisker |
| 18:51.02 | Fisker | Not even if I were |
| 18:52.10 | Fisker | But at least maybe now we can use Google cloud services |
| 18:53.02 | Fisker | Don't even need to let them look at our connections anymore |
| 18:53.19 | Kalroth | it would be easier |
| 18:54.41 | Kalroth | i dont get why they don't go full facebook and sell it, companies are people too and freedom of speech goes for them too |
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| 19:37.30 | Fisker | hugtackles Lopeppeppy |
| 19:41.48 | Lopeppeppy | Is it time to go home yet? *sigh* |
| 19:43.35 | Fisker | :( |
| 19:43.59 | Fisker | Well at least I can sleep soon |
| 19:46.28 | Lopeppeppy | Sleep is for the weak. The sane, well-adjusted weak, but the weak nevertheless. |
| 19:46.58 | Torhal | Plenty of time to sleep when you're dead, Lopeppeppy? |
| 19:47.03 | Lopeppeppy | Aye. |
| 19:47.22 | Neffi | jleclanche: mediacrush just borked itself on my PC D: |
| 19:47.31 | jleclanche | ? |
| 19:47.44 | Neffi | I realized the program for Windows kinda sucks, so I tried to uninstall. That doesn't work well |
| 19:47.55 | Neffi | The uninstaller can't figure out wtf it's doing and crashes |
| 19:47.58 | jleclanche | the windows program sucks |
| 19:48.06 | jleclanche | "dont use it" is the official stance |
| 19:48.09 | jleclanche | kinda sad but hey |
| 19:48.21 | Neffi | Then you should tell those dudes to remove the link and wait for a proper application to be developed |
| 19:48.26 | Neffi | Because it really is terrible |
| 19:48.34 | Fisker | Oh so basically I shouldn't sleep Lopeppeppy ? |
| 19:48.36 | Fisker | :( |
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| 19:49.08 | Lopeppeppy | SLEEP? Wha-at is it good for? Absolutely NOTHIN'! Say it again! |
| 19:49.18 | Neffi | This is really upsetting my OCD. I can't remove it. Damn all |
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| 19:53.41 | Torhal | Format! |
| 19:54.19 | Neffi | I've formatted for less! |
| 19:54.43 | Neffi | "Oh god adware. Well, it's been long enough. Where's my windows flash drive?" |
| 19:55.49 | Fisker | I think I'm gonna beam Lopeppeppy to blizzcon |
| 19:57.58 | Fisker | so a simpsons/family guy crossover |
| 19:57.59 | Fisker | D: |
| 19:58.21 | Lopeppeppy | Evil mirror universe for the win. |
| 19:58.48 | Fisker | This is the darkest timeline Lopeppeppy |
| 20:26.01 | Dagmar | Evil mirror universe? Did some adware come with a working uninstaller or something? |
| 20:26.28 | Fisker | A lot of it does actually |
| 20:26.49 | Dagmar | Note the presence of the word "working". |
| 20:27.01 | Fisker | Yes |
| 20:27.14 | Fisker | I know what the implications of the word "working" are |
| 20:27.17 | Dagmar | I keep having to explain to my mother that no, she does not actually need the latest video codecs--she already has them. |
| 20:27.33 | Dagmar | ...and if I find out where the fuck iLivid's offices for, there may be a fire. |
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| 21:22.04 | Esamynn|work | Dagmar: so angry... |
| 21:29.16 | TC-Work | Well yea, that's Dagmar. He is not known for his....reservoir of patience. |
| 21:29.43 | TC-Work | Granted, the channel is unclear on the bite/bark ratio.. |
| 21:32.31 | Amarande | heh |
| 21:32.42 | Amarande | speaking of angry, I can't believe Windows 7 is so porcelain fragile :P |
| 21:33.02 | Amarande | Apparently I can either reinstall an OS or I can go out and shell out for a new keyboard or mouse |
| 21:33.31 | zenzelezz | ? |
| 21:34.02 | TC-Work | Elaborate zenzelezz. And no damn puns. |
| 21:34.55 | zenzelezz | as you wish |
| 21:35.14 | zenzelezz | Amarande: did you somehow manage to find hardware arcane enough to Windows 7 to struggle with; or did you just break Windows? |
| 21:36.07 | TC-Work | Oh, I thought you were talking to me. |
| 21:36.41 | zenzelezz | TC-Work: heh :) |
| 21:40.13 | Esamynn|work | Amarande: ^ (what zenzelezz said) |
| 21:41.36 | Amarande | zenzelezz: I managed to perform a recovery operation that on Windows 8 runs entirely smoothly, but on Windows 7 leaves you without the use of a mouse and keyboard |
| 21:42.52 | Semlar | um |
| 21:43.01 | zenzelezz | you have both Win8 and Win7 on the same machine? |
| 21:45.08 | Semlar | what did you do |
| 21:45.30 | Semlar | because i would be impressed if you managed to prevent a plug and play keyboard from functioning in windows |
| 21:46.30 | Amarande | Semlar: well, here's how it is |
| 21:46.35 | Amarande | I have 3 front USB ports on the machine |
| 21:46.43 | Amarande | 2 are USB 2.0, 1 is USB 3.0 |
| 21:46.45 | Semlar | there are specific usb ports for the mouse and keyboard on the motherboard |
| 21:47.07 | Amarande | Scenario A: Devices are connected to both the front USB 2.0 ports and none to the 3.0: This works just fine. |
| 21:47.28 | Amarande | Scenario B: Device was connected to the USB 2.0 and one to a 3.0: This posed issues. |
| 21:47.47 | Amarande | Not only did it pose issues, but even after I disconnected *all* the ports and connected a pendrive to the 3.0 port, I got the dreaded "a device has malfunctioned" message |
| 21:48.21 | zenzelezz | I'm still wondering why you're recovering both Win 8 and 7 on the same machine |
| 21:48.22 | Amarande | Googled solution, general thing seemed to be the same thing you do on 8, which is that you delete the USB core device and reboot, letting Windows re-recognise the device and reinstall the driver |
| 21:48.38 | Amarande | zenzelezz: I mean I'd previously run Windows 8 and used the same sort of tactic and had it work there |
| 21:49.03 | Amarande | however, the same tactic used on 7 resulted in Windows failing to reinstall the Intel USB 3.0 driver (even though I did NOT select "uninstall the driver too" at the remove device screen) |
| 21:49.31 | Amarande | This means Windows no longer recognises ANY usb devices, and since I lack a PS/2 input device, it seems that I can't gain control |
| 21:49.45 | Amarande | F8 menu recognises the keyboard, USB works fine (of course, since it's a driver issue) at UEFI and in Linux |
| 21:50.08 | zenzelezz | your computer somehow needs specific Intel USB drivers for them to work at all? |
| 21:50.16 | Semlar | that's not possible |
| 21:50.31 | Semlar | the motherboard has usb ports for the mouse and keyboard for them to work in the bios |
| 21:50.34 | Amarande | zenzelezz: no, that was simply the name of the USB core device as recognised |
| 21:50.40 | zenzelezz | ah |
| 21:50.46 | Amarande | Semlar: they do work in the BIOS, they work in Linux also |
| 21:51.02 | Amarande | apparently Windows is unable to rerecognise the core device and reinstall the driver on its own at boot |
| 21:51.19 | Semlar | windows should not have to install a driver for your keyboard to work |
| 21:51.20 | Amarande | which causes no USB devices to function once Windows is booted, which means one would need to reinstall the driver through manual means |
| 21:51.29 | Amarande | however, when your HID devices aren't working, you can't exactly do anything through manual means |
| 21:51.41 | Amarande | Semlar: yeah, I'm presuming it's not the keyboard driver that's at fault, it's that it can't find the USB core device |
| 21:51.50 | Amarande | which means it lacks a device path *to* the USB ports, and thus to the HIDs |
| 21:52.48 | Semlar | have you booted into safe mode |
| 21:52.59 | Amarande | yup, no dice. even "repair windows" gets no HIDs |
| 21:53.18 | Amarande | basically, the problem seems to be a path one ... since to use a USB keyboard or mouse |
| 21:53.38 | Amarande | the keyboard is linked to the USB Root Hub which is linked to the USB controller which is linked to the chipset which is linked to the CPU |
| 21:54.07 | Amarande | the device in need of re-recognition is the Intel USB 3.0 Controller. Without this, the USB Root Hubs are not known, so the keyboard linked to them might as well be in thin air. |
| 21:54.08 | Semlar | obviously the usb controller is working because you can use it in the boot menu |
| 21:54.26 | Amarande | I'm not sure which kernel has control at that stage |
| 21:54.43 | Amarande | I'm talking the text-based menu when you hit F8, which seems to have more in common with the BIOS and bootloader than the OS-once-loaded |
| 21:55.29 | Semlar | you've tried plugging the keyboard into different usb ports while in windows? |
| 21:55.33 | zenzelezz | judging by the lights on my keyboard, Windows does seem to "restart" it when it loads |
| 21:55.39 | Amarande | (which is a critical difference for usb, I've seen it on earlier computers, since in the earlier days of USB if you tried using USB HIDs, the BIOS and bootloader had special support -or not- which was entirely independent of the OS kernel support) |
| 21:55.47 | Amarande | Semlar: yup. |
| 21:55.59 | Semlar | and it just does nothing |
| 21:56.04 | Amarande | bingo. |
| 21:56.19 | Amarande | I guess 7 is too old to recognise a B85 USB controller |
| 21:56.33 | Amarande | but I'd have thought it would have used the existing software |
| 21:57.05 | Amarande | unfortunately, I don't like 8 and 9 isn't out yet ... maybe the gods are telling me that I'm meant to use Linux? |
| 21:57.20 | Semlar | i don't know, it sounds like you somehow corrupted or installed the wrong usb drivers inside of windows |
| 21:57.21 | Amarande | come to think of it, except for that one issue with sound (which was a hardware problem), I'm not sure I've ever had any issues in recent years in Linux |
| 21:57.24 | Amarande | everything's been with Windows, LOL |
| 21:58.09 | Amarande | it's also majorly hitting my "gripes with Windows design" nerve |
| 21:58.23 | Amarande | since this sort of issue is not possible on Linux, as the way in which devices are loaded at boot there forbids it |
| 21:58.42 | Amarande | the only way you can hose yourself out of a device in Linux nowadays is to custom compile a kernel and forget to include said device :) |
| 22:00.45 | Amarande | Semlar: perhaps, or perhaps when you uninstall a device that you install via a third party driver, the driver is altogether removed even if you don't check the "uninstall the software too" box |
| 22:01.32 | Amarande | i.e., the self healing feature is only for drivers that are included with Windows |
| 22:01.47 | Torhal | brings in a Faith Healer for Amarande. |
| 22:01.53 | Amarande | it would explain why on Win8 this procedure worked properly when I had to do it and on Win7 it breaks the OS |
| 22:02.17 | Amarande | Torhal: hah, I've already had to use voodoo to control CPU load temps |
| 22:02.28 | Amarande | (no really, the name of the cooler unit in this machine is the 'Venom Voodoo' heh) |
| 22:04.19 | Amarande | Mind you I'm still not sure if there's any sort of mutual exclusivity going on among the USB ports on the front panel, either. Even on Ubuntu, when I hooked my external DVD to the 2.0 ports, the pen drive wouldn't work in the 3.0 |
| 22:04.49 | Amarande | OTOH, if I plug the external DVD into a 2.0 and a 3.0 port, and the pendrive in the other 2.0, it all works (and the DVD drive needs 2 ports for power, so presumably all 3 ports work for power) |
| 22:05.44 | Amarande | Yeah, I get the feeling that Linux is probably more my style, heh |
| 22:06.59 | Amarande | For one, Linux seems to actually be designed to let you fix things readily when you break them, as long as you know how. Windows seems to be much less accommodating in that regard. :P |
| 22:07.25 | Amarande | (In fact, "break and learn" seems to be a common motto for Linux, heh) |
| 22:16.28 | Esamynn|work | Amarande: remote desktop! |
| 22:22.07 | Amarande | heh, this is when you *wish* you caught a RAT, LOL |
| 22:23.06 | Amarande | pretty sure I would need to have enabled remote desktop stuff *before* hosing the machine, alas |
| 22:23.35 | Amarande | that's the thing about Linux, you can pretty much fix anything as long as you've got access to the root password, and most of what you can't can be fixed even then with live media |
| 22:24.05 | Amarande | Win8 seems to be moving in that direction too for deleted devices, but I didn't realise just how archaic 7 seems to be now |
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