| 00:02.57 | relaxok | OptionsFrameTemplates.xml:394? |
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| 00:47.00 | Amarande | hrm ... tell me 6.0 doesn't make use of AVX :) |
| 01:00.46 | Mr_Rabies | Avengers vs X-Men? |
| 01:03.00 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: Advanced Vector Extensions |
| 01:03.09 | Amarande | it's an instruction set on Intel, and it's BAD news |
| 01:03.39 | Amarande | apparently, sometime between now and the time AVX becomes common usage in games, I'm going to need to shell out for an aftermarket cooler for my CPU |
| 01:03.46 | Amarande | and this is despite the fact that I don't (and can't) overclock :P |
| 01:04.37 | Mr_Rabies | my guess is it'll be togglable |
| 01:04.47 | Mr_Rabies | you're always so gloom and doom about this stuff mang, just chill :p |
| 01:06.25 | Stanzilla | Amarande: where did you read that it does |
| 01:08.14 | Amarande | Stanzilla: I don't know if it does or not, I'm wondering if it will |
| 01:08.45 | Amarande | mainly since apparently programs that use AVX regularly tend to spike Haswell CPUs' temperature by about 20C |
| 01:09.16 | Amarande | if you use AVX constantly (e.g. prime95 or primegrid) you basically run right up against tjmax (by comparison a normal full load is only about 80C or so) |
| 01:15.48 | Mr_Rabies | well that is the whole point of prime95/primegrid to be fair |
| 01:16.00 | pompy | https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t1.0-9/10418463_10152246701586172_2812454223024813753_n.jpg gg |
| 01:17.42 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: well, yeah, but it's been determined that the use of AVX on Haswell in particular is responsible for the higher temperatures |
| 01:17.57 | Amarande | or more specifically, because apparently the processor likes to draw as much as 0.1V additional when AVX is in use, I'm not sure why :S |
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| 01:18.16 | Primer | pompy: stop using IE |
| 01:18.31 | Primer | but yeah, console isn't defined in IE unless the console is open... |
| 01:18.44 | Amarande | atm it's not so big of an issue because not much apart from benchmarks and prime stuff actually makes much use of AVX, but I worry for the day when games start using it much (I've heard talk that GW2 might, it seems to heat things up a lot more than most games) |
| 01:19.11 | pompy | Primer: it;s a friends screenshot |
| 01:19.19 | Primer | pompy: uh huh...sure... |
| 01:19.26 | pompy | thats australia |
| 01:19.28 | pompy | i dont live there! |
| 01:19.32 | Primer | yes, the .au gave it away |
| 01:19.45 | Primer | I'm sure you told said friend to stop using IE? |
| 01:19.53 | Primer | Friends don't let friends use IE... |
| 01:20.34 | Amarande | Obligatory conspiracy theory: this is ultimately part of Intel's roadmap (AVX is an Intel specific extension, AFAIK) and is designed to drive the upgrade to Skylake in a year or two :) |
| 01:21.36 | Primer | as if they hadn't already won the CPU wars... |
| 01:21.47 | Amarande | Primer: heh, they have, which is partially a problem for them I'd imagine |
| 01:22.13 | Amarande | improvements have been getting more and more spare each generation (notice that CPU speeds hover around 3.5 GHz give or take for the most part, except for that special Devil's Canyon i7-K) |
| 01:22.27 | Amarande | they've gotta have some reason for us to upgrade to the next one, heh |
| 01:22.27 | Primer | I recall when AMD was actually kicking Intel's ass, which prompted Intel to get better...and they did |
| 01:22.37 | Primer | Nothing to do with Moore's Law, I suppose? :) |
| 01:22.55 | Amarande | actually, it's getting to the point it almost seems like Moore's Law is on the way to repealment, LOL |
| 01:23.22 | Primer | Relegated to Moore's Theory? |
| 01:23.25 | Amarande | as for how this would drive Skylake upgrades, that's simple |
| 01:23.39 | pompy | Primer: HAHA i told him and he has a valid point.... "This is at the government office, no sane person would willingly choose to use IE dude" |
| 01:23.41 | Amarande | first they introduce AVX. at first it's just another instruction set that barely anything uses for a while until enough folks use it for it to matter |
| 01:24.35 | Primer | pompy: I hear you. I work for a place that has a lot of government clients, and we have to make sure shit works in IE. It's fucking lame. |
| 01:24.51 | Primer | At least we were able to drop support for IE8 with XP going EOL. |
| 01:25.02 | Primer | That part was non-negociable |
| 01:25.08 | Primer | Because...fuck IE |
| 01:25.26 | Amarande | Then by the time it's entrenched enough that devs will likely start using it, it turns out the current CPUs of the time both have lousy thermal properties AND get an especially bad thermal spike from it |
| 01:25.55 | Amarande | so this works perfectly for Intel ... presumably games will be starting to introduce AVX now or in the near future, people will worry for CPU temperatures and will jump for Skylake when it comes out and hopefully has better temps |
| 01:26.31 | Amarande | the conspiracy theory would be whether Intel planned this out on purpose or if they're just getting really lucky |
| 01:26.42 | Amarande | otoh, Intel does tend to plan out their roadmaps pretty damn far in advance, so *shrug* |
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| 01:29.38 | pompy | http://www.cbronline.com/news/tech/software/operatingsystems/bad-news-for-microsoft-windows-xp-still-on-the-rise-as-windows-8-usage-drops-4307093 oh jeez |
| 01:30.54 | Amarande | pompy: 0.04% market share increase? |
| 01:31.28 | Primer | haha classic |
| 01:31.34 | Primer | but yeah, fuck XP |
| 01:31.50 | Primer | well, fuck IE actually |
| 01:32.26 | A-KO | IE11 is fine |
| 01:32.28 | A-KO | works great here |
| 01:33.32 | Primer | lies |
| 01:33.40 | pompy | Amarande: indeed |
| 01:33.45 | pompy | i said the same |
| 01:33.58 | Amarande | pompy: heh, my guess is some company sold out to a megacorp |
| 01:34.20 | Amarande | and the megacorp is a typical back-asswards one that still requires XP to be used in the offices, so some more offices get downgraded to XP |
| 01:34.35 | pompy | https://www.modern.ie/en-us/ie6countdown and china still wont let go of ie6 ! |
| 01:35.07 | pompy | hell 95% of the ATMs used windows xp |
| 01:36.58 | Mr_Rabies | many still do! |
| 01:37.05 | Mr_Rabies | it's embedded so it's still supported |
| 01:37.27 | Amarande | pompy: that has to do with China's piracy policy |
| 01:37.33 | Amarande | yes, apparently they have a piracy policy |
| 01:38.47 | pompy | Mr_Rabies: "One version of XP Embedded will lose support next week at the same time as the PC platform. Another will keep getting patches until Jan. 12, 2016." |
| 01:39.02 | pompy | dunno what the other version is |
| 01:39.19 | Mr_Rabies | there's like windows xp embedded, then there's the special one for ATMs and POSes and whatnot |
| 01:39.34 | Primer | I wonder who the salesman was who sold using embedded XP for ATMs. That guy's a genius. |
| 01:39.46 | Mr_Rabies | usually aren't connected to the internet directly at all, instead go over intranet |
| 01:39.59 | Primer | yet still get owned |
| 01:40.23 | Mr_Rabies | most ATM hacks are hardware, are they not? like, not even connected hardware |
| 01:40.33 | Amarande | pompy: it's something like you can only have X pirated copies of Windows per Y legitimate copies (yes they do have some legit licences there LOL) |
| 01:40.36 | pompy | "Does that mean copies of Windows XP will stop working, and ATMs will shut down?No. They will keep running, but Microsoft won't release security fixes for the program anymore. So if a new bug is discovered, ATM operators will need to find a way to squash it themselves." |
| 01:40.37 | pompy | heh |
| 01:40.51 | Amarande | pompy: as a result, internet cafes can't just pirate 7 or 8, they have to shell out for enough real copies to meet the piracy rules |
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| 02:35.33 | Dagmar | Dwarves and ledges. *sigh* |
| 02:37.59 | Shirik | karl_w_w: Among the reasons LoL > DOTA: Riot patch notes are awesome |
| 02:38.06 | Shirik | scroll down to Lucian: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-411-notes |
| 02:41.05 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: http://i.imgur.com/zCIBQJ0.jpg |
| 02:42.47 | Shirik | I approve |
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| 02:49.22 | kullervo | that artist cannot into crustacean anatomy |
| 02:51.54 | Amarande | bleh, damn you intel |
| 02:52.15 | Amarande | (my sneaky suspicion is that this is an intel limitation and not asrock's, they wouldn't release a feature that doesn't do anything LOL) |
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| 02:58.24 | kullervo | also perspective |
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| 03:08.28 | Shirik | he's not a crustacean kullervo |
| 03:08.32 | Shirik | he's an alien |
| 03:29.17 | Iriel | A strange pair of lines to arrive to, especially given complete silence since them. |
| 03:30.13 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 03:31.27 | Iriel | It’s more amusing if you mentally insert a comma before kullervo |
| 03:33.03 | Iriel | Or if you read Shirik: as part of the message, as if spoken by an off-screen narrator |
| 03:36.16 | kullervo | Shirik: to draw alien creatures one should first be familiar with how real structures work |
| 03:36.25 | Shirik | why? |
| 03:36.32 | kullervo | else they'll look like shit |
| 03:36.56 | Shirik | Why should be believe that aliens are bound to our set of evolutionary options |
| 03:37.25 | Shirik | I'm totally open to the idea of an alien, intelligent gaseous blob |
| 03:37.33 | kullervo | I wasn't speaking of that, I'm speaking of how parts connect |
| 03:43.14 | kullervo | also, I did recognize it as a carnifex. They aren't asymmetric unless they've got ranged weapons. |
| 03:45.38 | Shirik | he has ranged weapons! |
| 03:45.40 | Shirik | well he can |
| 03:46.28 | kullervo | not right now he doesn't |
| 04:07.30 | Shirik | what |
| 04:07.32 | Shirik | yes he does |
| 04:07.44 | Shirik | he's just concealing them because it wouldn't be very gentlemanly |
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| 04:42.31 | karl_w_w | I have no idea why that's an awesome patch note, Shirik |
| 04:43.18 | karl_w_w | an awesome patch note would be "we know he is too strong so this is the change we made" |
| 04:43.53 | karl_w_w | in dota 2 I can't think of a hero who was too strong last patch and didn't get a change |
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| 06:52.46 | karl_w_w | robocopy E:\ G:\ /S /ZB /J /COPY:DATO /SL /R:3 /W:10 /REG /V /FP /LOG:C:\robolog.txt /TEE <- I expect this will take a while |
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| 07:19.15 | Rythal | damnit... so I fix my computers profile for beta's... and instead of an invite to warlords... I get the invite to Heroes :/ |
| 07:23.20 | Mr_Rabies | same |
| 07:33.08 | Fisker | I got one for both |
| 07:37.35 | pompy | no you didnt Fisker |
| 07:37.45 | Fisker | oh ok pompy |
| 07:38.39 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/OWDY51K.png |
| 07:38.40 | Fisker | mad? |
| 07:38.59 | Kalroth | umad |
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| 08:04.26 | pompy | http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv live stream up.. launch in 2 hrs |
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| 08:19.43 | Shirik | so the american express app apparently supports push notifications so that if your card is declined because of fraud detection, you can approve it from your phone |
| 08:19.49 | Fisker | hey pompy |
| 08:19.59 | Fisker | Oh that's neat Shirik |
| 08:20.01 | Fisker | NEAT |
| 08:20.38 | Fisker | It's nice when they block your card on a saturday |
| 08:20.38 | Kalroth | what if both your card and phone is stolen |
| 08:20.43 | Fisker | you can't get it unblocked until monday |
| 08:20.50 | Workfoz | what if you are stolen |
| 08:20.51 | Fisker | pin locks Kalroth |
| 08:20.57 | Fisker | what if your mother is stolen Workfoz |
| 08:21.09 | Workfoz | I'd have to write less emails |
| 08:21.10 | Kalroth | what if your mothers mother is stolen |
| 08:22.44 | Kalroth | did you win the steam sales, fisker |
| 08:22.53 | Fisker | I am the sole winner |
| 08:26.51 | Kalroth | hands Fisker his left sole |
| 08:27.42 | Fisker | hi Kalroth |
| 08:28.42 | pompy | what Fisker |
| 08:28.52 | Fisker | hi pompy |
| 08:28.57 | Fisker | Did you see how I had both betas? |
| 08:29.52 | Shirik | also hey Fisker |
| 08:30.05 | Maldivia | Fisker: not that uncommon :D |
| 08:30.32 | Fisker | pompy said I lied Maldivia |
| 08:30.50 | Maldivia | also, you having storm installed doesn't mean you have alpha access :P |
| 08:31.07 | Fisker | pls |
| 08:31.52 | Shirik | what does it mean to have an organic banana? |
| 08:31.57 | Shirik | they're genetically engineered in the first place |
| 08:32.16 | Workfoz | ok |
| 08:32.45 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/pJYThRW.jpg |
| 08:32.48 | Fisker | does that help Maldivia ? |
| 08:33.42 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 08:33.55 | Shirik | it's photoshopped |
| 08:34.18 | Fisker | :( |
| 08:34.24 | Shirik | want to see something cool? |
| 08:34.29 | Shirik | let's see how quickly I can do this |
| 08:34.37 | Kalroth | put your pants back on, please |
| 08:35.57 | Shirik | damn it |
| 08:35.59 | Shirik | there's a glow |
| 08:36.01 | Maldivia | not like it's hard to get storm access though |
| 08:37.22 | Maldivia | Fisker: btw -- if you log into the bnet account page, what does it say below "Heroes of the Storm"? |
| 08:38.21 | Shirik | ghttp://i.gyazo.com/fe74f910a4d8b94e97ce53aae0ef8eb1.png |
| 08:38.23 | Fisker | Says pratical hypetrain again |
| 08:38.26 | Shirik | not bad for a couple minutes, imo |
| 08:38.35 | Fisker | Or if you mean the edition, it says standard edition |
| 08:38.47 | Fisker | what are ghttp links Shirik ? |
| 08:39.01 | Fisker | google http? |
| 08:39.05 | Shirik | gnu http |
| 08:39.09 | Shirik | because gnu likes to reinvent the wheel |
| 08:39.26 | Maldivia | Shirik: why not just log on to storm yourself and take a screenshot ?:) |
| 08:39.38 | Shirik | that would have my name? |
| 08:39.49 | Shirik | this can be used by everyone! |
| 08:40.12 | Shirik | still, my real point with this is |
| 08:40.16 | Shirik | content-aware fill is scary |
| 08:40.23 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 08:41.09 | Shirik | the only hard part of that was getting the selection right because of the damn glow around the letters |
| 08:41.15 | Shirik | I eventually gave up and just did a rectangular selection instead :P |
| 08:41.53 | Maldivia | Shirik: https://www.dropbox.com/s/zi5lt1p0bluwhq9/Progress.png -- not bad for a quick take? |
| 08:48.46 | pompy | oh shi- https://twitter.com/NASA_Wallops/status/484256092265136128 |
| 08:49.41 | Workfoz | what the hell is that :D |
| 08:49.49 | Workfoz | also, how did their flying saucer test go? |
| 08:53.02 | pompy | Workfoz: http://www.space.com/26383-nasa-flying-saucer-test-ldsd.html |
| 08:54.15 | pompy | and its a rocket they just launched earlier.. looks like something happened after liftoff |
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| 09:27.49 | Sintacks | Semlar, ur addon broke |
| 09:28.02 | Sintacks | or it doesn't support adding and losing of battletag friends in a single session. |
| 09:28.02 | Sintacks | :( |
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| 09:46.59 | pompy | http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv t-10mins |
| 09:57.39 | karl_w_w | miles per hour |
| 09:57.59 | karl_w_w | NASA embarrasing |
| 09:59.04 | Mr_Rabies | man it's nice to hear the word verniers again |
| 09:59.14 | Mr_Rabies | usually that talk is relegated to gundam chats :( |
| 10:01.44 | Mr_Rabies | someone needs to update the pc they're running ksp on |
| 10:02.08 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 10:02.34 | pompy | haha |
| 10:03.23 | zenzelezz | pompy: thanks for the link :) |
| 10:03.37 | zenzelezz | NASA seems to have more different stations checking in during countdown than SpaceX |
| 10:03.41 | zenzelezz | unless I'm misremembering |
| 10:05.17 | Mr_Rabies | this is how i feel about things http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g83/ic1ng/tokusatsu%20gifs/fourzefavoritehenshin.gif |
| 10:06.21 | karl_w_w | you feel like using a horrible image host? |
| 10:06.53 | pompy | going 14,800mph |
| 10:07.09 | Mr_Rabies | wasn't gonna rehost a google image search |
| 10:07.10 | Mr_Rabies | too lazy |
| 10:08.10 | Mr_Rabies | can't find any decent fourze footage on youtube :( |
| 10:08.12 | Mr_Rabies | thanks, content id |
| 10:24.13 | karl_w_w | robocopy is very tolerant of disk read errors |
| 10:24.44 | karl_w_w | most programs will just hang if they hit an unreadable sector |
| 10:25.08 | Mr_Rabies | as far as windows programs go, fastcopy is really good for that |
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| 10:45.43 | karl_w_w | didn't realise how slow my old hard drive had become until I replaced it |
| 10:47.27 | karl_w_w | in other news, turning off particles makes for a much smoother cookie clicker experience |
| 10:50.35 | pompy | zenzelezz: feeds back up |
| 10:50.42 | pompy | 2 mins till separation |
| 10:50.53 | zenzelezz | cheers :) |
| 10:52.44 | karl_w_w | if you're having trouble with separation use an emulsifier |
| 10:53.14 | pompy | ~lart karl_w_w |
| 10:53.14 | purl | executes killall -HUP karl_w_w |
| 10:54.44 | karl_w_w | restarts |
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| 12:57.52 | Semlar | Sintacks: it certainly worked during a single session when i wrote it because that's the only way i ever tested it |
| 12:59.19 | Semlar | the only time i know it won't report anything is if you don't have any other battletag friends |
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| 13:09.51 | Semlar | because there isn't really any way to tell the difference between "no bnet friends" and "not connected to bnet" |
| 13:13.51 | karl_w_w | there must be Semlar |
| 13:13.58 | karl_w_w | because the default UI does it |
| 13:14.05 | Semlar | let me rephrase that |
| 13:14.22 | karl_w_w | no backsies |
| 13:14.32 | Semlar | when you log in, BNGetNumFriends() and GetNumFriends() both return 0 |
| 13:14.49 | Semlar | they also return 0 randomly while you're online |
| 13:15.27 | Semlar | so if it's 0 it could mean your list is empty or it could mean your list isn't propagated |
| 13:16.31 | Semlar | the point of the addon is to tell you when you lose a friend because the default ui doesn't tell you who's missing |
| 13:17.34 | Semlar | and if you only had 1 friend i never found a way to check whether your list hasn't been propagated or if you lost your only friend |
| 13:17.57 | nevcairiel | maybe there is another function that tells you somehting else! |
| 13:18.08 | Semlar | there might be |
| 13:19.10 | nevcairiel | there is BNConnected() at least |
| 13:20.12 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/M3kzeuv3 here's the addon if you want to see the code |
| 13:20.31 | Semlar | it's not very complicated |
| 13:20.54 | nevcairiel | how would normal friends ever manage to vanish from your list |
| 13:21.01 | nevcairiel | i guess they could transfer of the realm or something |
| 13:21.05 | Semlar | yeah |
| 13:21.11 | Semlar | if the character gets deleted |
| 13:21.41 | Semlar | i was going to make the database permanent in case you missed the message |
| 13:21.48 | Semlar | so you can still go back and browse it |
| 13:22.25 | nevcairiel | in any case, wouldnt hurt to throw in a BNConnected() check, maybe it stops it from misbehaving at login at least |
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| 13:28.54 | karl_w_w | TIL microsoft is making a new file system |
| 13:29.08 | Fisker | sauce karl_w_w |
| 13:30.24 | Workfoz | again? |
| 13:30.44 | Fisker | And this time they mean it Workfoz |
| 13:42.48 | karl_w_w | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/01/16/building-the-next-generation-file-system-for-windows-refs.aspx |
| 13:43.01 | karl_w_w | ^ Fisker |
| 13:43.09 | nevcairiel | you do realize thats from 2012 |
| 13:43.19 | nevcairiel | and ReFS is already available on a bunch of systems |
| 13:44.24 | karl_w_w | not sure I understand the significance |
| 13:44.31 | nevcairiel | its just OLD |
| 13:44.34 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 13:44.54 | nevcairiel | its not like "microsoft is making a new file system", but "microsoft made a new file system 2 years ago" |
| 13:45.05 | karl_w_w | well it's not finished yet |
| 13:45.39 | nevcairiel | software is never finished |
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| 13:54.47 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: did you ever try it? |
| 13:59.16 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 13:59.21 | nevcairiel | i dont have any use case for it |
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| 14:46.06 | karl_w_w | do i want to play ksp or space engineers? |
| 14:52.35 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. Have some. |
| 14:57.57 | Fisker | has some Lopeppeppies |
| 14:58.54 | Lopeppeppy | .... with cheese sauce, if you please. Poutine. |
| 15:01.19 | Fisker | I'm not that into cheese Lopeppeppy |
| 15:01.21 | Fisker | and they're mine |
| 15:01.23 | Fisker | so nom nom |
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| 15:06.19 | Lopeppeppy | Evil Fisker is evil. |
| 15:06.27 | Fisker | :( |
| 15:06.47 | Fisker | How did you know? |
| 15:07.38 | Fisker | I think some kind of telepathy is used here |
| 15:07.47 | Lopeppeppy | Bwah ha ha. Evil Peppy is eviler. |
| 15:08.42 | Semlar | setting the monochrome flag on this font crashes the game.. |
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| 15:11.13 | Semlar | oh but only if i don't also set the outline flag |
| 15:11.22 | Semlar | well that makes total sense |
| 15:11.33 | Fisker | At least you admit it Lopeppeppy |
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| 15:25.30 | Unkle | Cairenn: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2738 |
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| 15:29.59 | Torhal | outlines Semlar in monochrome. |
| 15:30.06 | Semlar | :( |
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| 15:32.03 | t-mart | hi, an addon I'm working with (TradeSkillMaster) exposes an API for other addons to use. But, I'm having trouble figuring out a precise time (event) when this API is available. right now, I'm doing my work at event PLAYER_LOGIN because it guarantees that all addons have ADDON_LOADED. this seems kinda sloppy... is there a way to know exactly when a certain addon has loaded? |
| 15:33.16 | Semlar | it does not guarantee that all addons have loaded |
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| 15:33.41 | t-mart | heh, well, dang. what should I be doing then? |
| 15:33.59 | Semlar | you should either add TSM as a dependency or watch ADDON_LOADED for TradeSkillMaster |
| 15:34.39 | Semlar | if your addon requires TSM to be loaded to do anything then it should be a dependency |
| 15:35.40 | t-mart | alright. the thing about your watch ADDON_LOADED method though: I'd tried something like that before, but I was worried that I wouldn't be catching the event if TSM ADDON_LOADED before my code loaded. in other words, I wouldn't get the event because I loaded _after_ TSM. is this a correct assumption? |
| 15:35.52 | alestane | Unkle, (& Cairenn): Also http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp07012014.shtml |
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| 15:36.35 | Semlar | you would have to check that it's already been loaded |
| 15:36.55 | t-mart | and do what if when it isnt? |
| 15:37.07 | t-mart | poll? doesn't seem right |
| 15:37.08 | Semlar | register the ADDON_LOADED event and check it |
| 15:37.39 | Semlar | if you set TSM as a dependency in your toc file your addon is just automatically loaded after TSM is |
| 15:37.53 | t-mart | yes yes, right. I think the dependency method is the way to go here |
| 15:38.07 | t-mart | thanks Semlar |
| 15:38.17 | t-mart | I didnt know I could do that |
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| 15:38.35 | Semlar | you just do like ##Dependencies: TradeSkillMaster or whatever the addon name is |
| 15:39.16 | Semlar | but your addon won't load if TSM is disabled so only do that if your addon can't operate independently |
| 15:39.30 | Workfoz | OptionalDeps! \o/ |
| 15:40.11 | t-mart | thats alright. the addon only makes sense if TSM is available anyway. (if you're familiar, I'm adding custom price sources to it) |
| 15:40.29 | t-mart | whats a use case for optionaldeps? |
| 15:41.17 | karl_w_w | if its an optional dependency the dependency will load first if it's going to be loaded |
| 15:41.39 | Semlar | yeah i think if you mark something as an optional dependency it always loads it before your addon |
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| 15:41.49 | Semlar | but it isn't required for your addon to load if it isn't there |
| 15:42.14 | karl_w_w | i wonder what happens if you have 3 addons in an optional dep chain |
| 15:42.24 | Semlar | it implodes |
| 15:42.25 | karl_w_w | circle |
| 15:42.38 | karl_w_w | the world (of warcraft)? |
| 15:43.21 | Semlar | if two addons set each other as optional dependencies i have no idea what it does |
| 15:43.31 | Semlar | possibly loads them in alphabetical order like normal |
| 15:44.01 | Semlar | that could cause problems so maybe it just doesn't work |
| 15:44.17 | TC-Work | ~lart karl_w_w |
| 15:44.17 | purl | gets a hotmal account and SPAMs karl_w_w |
| 15:44.58 | karl_w_w | thats so hot, mal |
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| 15:52.56 | TC-Work | Heh, that reminded me of firefly. |
| 15:53.00 | Maldivia | hotmal, as in http://38.media.tumblr.com/6c6d8d4cc0aa6c03e31e4f38418cb621/tumblr_n346jlqTfX1rh9lofo1_400.jpg |
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| 15:53.20 | TC-Work | I see I am not the only one. |
| 15:53.31 | Maldivia | :D |
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| 16:06.01 | t-mart | another problem I'm trying to tackle: loading an arbitrary directory of fonts (with LibSharedMedia). but to do this, I a function that does directory listings. does WoW's lua have anything for this? |
| 16:07.55 | t-mart | every lua function I've seen that returns directory listings seems to rely on calling a system function (e.g. ls or dir). i doubt i have access to these |
| 16:08.18 | Semlar | i'm not sure what you're trying to do |
| 16:08.53 | Semlar | i think the client loads all of the media in your addon folder |
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| 16:09.58 | Semlar | you can't get a directory listing from your addon though |
| 16:10.17 | Semlar | if you want to make a list of the fonts or whatever you're going to have to do that yourself and store it as a table |
| 16:10.27 | t-mart | mm, perhaps so, but I don't think it registers them with LibSharedMedia (a library many addons use for font handling) |
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| 16:11.24 | Semlar | i think libshardmedia has functions you can call for registering files |
| 16:11.40 | t-mart | Semlar: yea, I think that's the issue. I'd like to _not_ hardcode which fonts I'm trying to load. it'd be way easier to just "put a font in this dir", reload, and voila. no lua editing |
| 16:11.58 | Semlar | i don't believe that can be done |
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| 16:13.26 | t-mart | alright. its just a minor inconvience. actually, I don't really see myself adding/removing fonts often anyway |
| 16:14.04 | Semlar | you can make a table of file names and just loop over the table to register them with the library |
| 16:14.23 | t-mart | yea, but there it is again: hardcoding. =( |
| 16:14.51 | t-mart | that's what i'm trying to avoid. i need to get a directory listing at runtime. |
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| 16:18.22 | t-mart | essentially: for file_name in dir("fonts") do libsharedmedia_or_whatever:register(file_name) end |
| 16:23.42 | Jamash | t-mart: use an external script to generate "youraddon\fonts.lua" and include it in your toc |
| 16:24.22 | t-mart | Jamash: that's actually what the standalone LibSharedMedia does right now. |
| 16:24.27 | Jamash | well then |
| 16:25.34 | t-mart | but, then you're having to run the script. it's certainly not a bad tradeoff. my hopes were to automate _even that out_. |
| 16:25.38 | Jamash | so, when do we get author keys :3 |
| 16:25.59 | TC-Work | Never |
| 16:29.00 | Jamash | pfft |
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| 16:32.41 | Gnarfoz | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/sharedmedia implements the "provide your own files" thing, but it, too, has to do what Jamash suggested |
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| 17:56.10 | Fisker | curls up behind Lopeppeppy |
| 17:56.20 | Fisker | People are mean :( |
| 17:57.00 | Lopeppeppy | It's a thunderstorm here, I'm hiding too. |
| 17:57.06 | Fisker | good |
| 17:57.12 | Fisker | Lets hide under the desks together |
| 17:57.42 | TC-Work | Oh La La |
| 17:58.04 | Fisker | please TC-Work the gutter is filled with rain from the thunderstorm |
| 17:58.14 | Fisker | There's no room for your head down there |
| 17:58.15 | TC-Work | Also filled with my mind |
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| 18:13.31 | Lopeppeppy | Politics in the workplace make me mad in the face. Rawr! |
| 18:13.56 | Lopeppeppy | TC in the gutter makes me slashy with chainsaws. |
| 18:14.01 | kd3 | people who talk religion or politics in the office should be shot... out of a rocket... into the sun |
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| 18:14.41 | TC-Work | Oh please Lopeppeppy, you enjoy my gutter. |
| 18:15.04 | Dagmar | Oh come now. Discussions of the proper way to worship Satan are always welcome in the workplace |
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| 18:19.08 | Lopeppeppy | TC, you are one of the few people who have ever managed to offend me enough to walk away from a conversation. Take that as a gold star for your wall or something. |
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| 18:37.27 | Cairenn | alestane: rofl |
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| 18:43.51 | TC-Work | Lopeppeppy: Walk away? I thought you just turned to the other side. I mean we were eating at the time. |
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| 18:51.26 | Lopeppeppy | I totally went table hopping because of something you said. I have no idea what anymore, but stars for your wall. |
| 18:51.32 | Lopeppeppy | I've told you this before, TC. |
| 18:56.26 | TC-Work | Yes, but I disagree that you walked away, You were still eating. |
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| 18:57.16 | Lopeppeppy | Walked away from you, I said. Not "walked away from the entirety of California." |
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| 18:58.40 | TC-Work | Which I am disagreeing with, unless you are talking about a different conversation. |
| 18:58.47 | TC-Work | Which is possible |
| 18:59.28 | Lopeppeppy | Too many years ago, too many eggrolls. *shrug* |
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| 18:59.32 | Fisker | Why TC-Work why do you persist? |
| 18:59.50 | TC-Work | I never learned my lesson. |
| 19:01.26 | TC-Work | On the other hand I am playing ass creed unity so, *thbbtht* |
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| 19:27.19 | Fisker | So how's your phone holding up Lopeppeppy ? |
| 19:37.42 | Lopeppeppy | I haven't danced on it in weeks, Fisker, why do you ask? |
| 19:38.11 | Fisker | No particular reason |
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| 19:45.03 | Fisker | Though if you happen to for some reason visit blizzcon then I'll probably steal it |
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| 20:04.08 | TC-Work | You seriously have a thing for phones Fisker |
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| 21:31.16 | Amarande | you know it's gonna be a bad year when the A storm is already possibly coming your general part of the country heh |
| 21:31.37 | Amarande | I've heard rumour it might hit the Connecticut/New York area *sigh* |
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| 22:20.32 | VIad | why did the finish ban female players from playing with the guys? |
| 22:50.59 | MiRai | http://www.pcgamer.com/uk/2014/07/02/hearthstone-tournament/ |
| 22:51.18 | MiRai | sorry... 30 minutes late |
| 22:51.21 | MiRai | reply for VIad |
| 22:51.22 | MiRai | heh |
| 23:06.10 | Amarande | "This is to avoid possible conflicts (e.g. a female player eliminating a male player during RO8) among other things." |
| 23:06.11 | Amarande | Good God. |
| 23:06.28 | Amarande | That sounds as ridiculous as that Nihilum officers' joke that accidentally hit their news blog |
| 23:08.01 | Amarande | when they claimed no girls allowed |
| 23:08.16 | Amarande | which apparently in that case was not actually Nihilum policy, but how many women would want to play after hearing them be crass like that :S it did, however, spark a huge discussion as if it had actually been seriously meant |
| 23:08.36 | Amarande | and at one point someone actually tried to make a case for the idea that women should not be included in a guild that competes for world firsts |
| 23:08.53 | Amarande | It just made me shake my head for quite some time. |
| 23:10.46 | Amarande | also: "The decision to divide male and female competitions was made in accordance with international sports authorities, as part of our effort to promote e-Sports as a legitimate sports." WTF? |
| 23:11.42 | Amarande | There's legitimate reasoning behind the idea of female-only competitions, but I can't think of a single major league "male" sport that has a specific rule barring women |
| 23:12.39 | Amarande | Especially to do it in eSports seems absurd :P |
| 23:12.40 | plaw | I wonder if they'll make people pull down their pants to 'prove' maleness etc. |
| 23:12.56 | kd3 | heh; http://www.google.com/killer-robots.txt |
| 23:12.59 | Amarande | This smacks of "male gamers can't take a loss to a girl" immature elitism :S |
| 23:14.53 | Amarande | Unless they're trying to steer eSports in the Olympic type direction rather than the typical "major league sports" direction as seen in America (since most Olympic sports do strictly gender segregate IIRC, except for ones specifically labeled "mixed" ... at least, I cannot personally recall any cases of women competing in the mens' competitions in the Olympics) |
| 23:15.21 | Amarande | That seems like a bad way to run things though, look at how much more lucrative American major leagues tend to be compared to Olympic sports (most of which most people never even see except every four years when the Games come u :S) |
| 23:15.22 | Amarande | *up |
| 23:15.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Ressy (~Ressy@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Ressy) |
| 23:15.58 | Amarande | plaw: or DNA testing, although I'm not sure how readily that's practised anymore after certain issues have cropped up |
| 23:16.28 | Amarande | (the most notable being competitors with androgen-recepter insensitivity, apparently) |
| 23:17.43 | Amarande | I think there was actually a huge row in the Olympics some time back about a competitor with androgen insensitivity, and I'm actually not sure how it turned out on final appeal |
| 23:19.13 | Amarande | but yeah, this whole gender segregation in esports thing seems ... fail |
| 23:19.23 | Amarande | I hope the WoW Arena Tournaments aren't like that :| |
| 23:20.37 | Amarande | oh, and IeSF ... FAIL. "For example, chess is also divided into male / female leagues" |
| 23:21.13 | Amarande | *wrong*, there are female-only World Championships and Woman Master/Grandmaster titles, but FIDE explicitly has no rule saying that women can't have the "male" titles, and there are indeed a fair number of women with the standard GM title |
| 23:21.53 | kullervo | ha |
| 23:23.05 | Amarande | ... eSports are never going to get off the ground if this is the kind of representation they get |
| 23:23.32 | Amarande | well, except maybe in South Korea, but South Korea makes Nihilum and Ensidia seem like casuals when it comes to gamer obsession apparently |
| 23:59.59 | plaw | ouch http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/02/cisco_you_cant_just_leave_your_ssh_keys_lying_around/ |
