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| 00:10.00 | karl_w_w | jleclanche, sennheiser is the mainstream |
| 00:12.07 | Neffi | New Legend of Korra in case anyone forgot |
| 00:14.01 | Amarande | Legend of what? |
| 00:14.47 | smcn | legend of your mom |
| 00:15.09 | Neffi | Amarande: Followup to Avatar: The Last Airbender, following the next Avatar (Korra) |
| 00:15.29 | Neffi | Season 3 started on Friday, airing first 3 episodes |
| 00:18.22 | Neffi | Dagmar: ^ (because IIRC you watch this ;) ) |
| 00:26.27 | Dagmar | I don't actually watch that show. |
| 00:27.02 | Dagmar | I'm watching Orphan Black at the moment, and am waiting to see how badly Fox will screw up Halt, Catch Fire before I commit to bothering. |
| 00:28.43 | Gnarfoz | fox? |
| 00:28.47 | Gnarfoz | HCF is on AMC |
| 00:29.55 | Dagmar | Okay that's good then, actually |
| 00:30.07 | Dagmar | ...cuz Orphan Black just hit the end of a season |
| 00:33.29 | Neffi | Speaking of amc, go watch Turn |
| 00:33.56 | Neffi | I wasn't so sure about it from the first episode or two, but I'm really glad I watched it through at the recommendation of my brother |
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| 00:57.05 | plaw | Cairenn: HAPPY CANADARIAISTAN DAY! |
| 00:57.11 | Cairenn | Hehehe |
| 00:57.14 | Cairenn | Thanks ;) |
| 00:59.53 | Esamynn|work | O_o |
| 01:00.07 | Esamynn|work | also, a little early :P |
| 01:00.22 | Cairenn | Meh, only 3 hrs |
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| 01:01.09 | Shirik | canadariastan? |
| 01:01.31 | plaw | Shirik: yes |
| 01:01.43 | Cairenn | Yeah, I don't exactly get the 'riastan' on the end, but whatever :) |
| 01:01.45 | plaw | our (aussie) prime minister went there and called it canadia |
| 01:01.46 | Esamynn|work | whomever this "stan" fellow is... he's obviously very popular :P |
| 01:01.55 | Cairenn | Oh. right |
| 01:01.56 | Cairenn | that |
| 01:01.57 | Esamynn|work | plaw: did he really? |
| 01:02.00 | plaw | so it's inevitable that we've taken it one step further |
| 01:02.01 | Cairenn | Yeah, he did |
| 01:02.04 | Esamynn|work | facepalms |
| 01:02.09 | Esamynn|work | ROFL |
| 01:02.18 | plaw | he's a moron |
| 01:02.35 | Esamynn|work | pfft, so is our PM |
| 01:02.44 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn |
| 01:02.45 | Cairenn | Esamynn, put it this way - he almost makes Harper look good by comparision |
| 01:02.49 | Cairenn | hugs Sargeras |
| 01:03.02 | Esamynn|work | Cairenn: no... no... that's not possible |
| 01:03.13 | Cairenn | Unbelievable, I know |
| 01:03.20 | plaw | strue |
| 01:03.42 | Cairenn | But I finally watched a video of him a week or two back, and he really is that bad |
| 01:03.47 | Torhal | Silly people, talking about fictional characters. |
| 01:03.54 | Kesava | (are the beta realms up atm?) |
| 01:04.24 | Amarande | plaw: well, Tony Abbott is a train wreck anyway, heh |
| 01:04.34 | plaw | Esamynn|work: john oliver did a great piece on him, check youtube for 'tony abbott john oliver' |
| 01:04.48 | Amarande | if he was in the States he'd be a Tea Partier for sure |
| 01:04.55 | Amarande | or actually maybe he'd be too far right even for the Tea Party, LOL |
| 01:05.03 | Esamynn|work | ... I'm kinda scared to look |
| 01:05.07 | Cairenn | I think that's the one you linked to me, wasn't it, plaw? |
| 01:05.13 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:05.19 | Shirik | so I replaced my american express card last week |
| 01:05.25 | Shirik | and I just called american express for another card |
| 01:05.30 | Shirik | and they're like "wtf are you doing" |
| 01:05.39 | Esamynn|work | hahaha |
| 01:05.44 | Esamynn|work | do you blame them? |
| 01:05.52 | Shirik | my old one was damaged (the strip wasn't working) so I got it replaced |
| 01:06.03 | Shirik | and then now that I'm going to London I need a chip card, so I'm getting it replaced again with a chip card |
| 01:06.12 | Esamynn|work | hahahaha |
| 01:06.37 | Shirik | the lady was really nice though |
| 01:14.13 | Gnarfoz | they gave you, last week, a card without an EMV chip |
| 01:14.16 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 01:15.09 | Gnarfoz | (but I guess we've been over how stuck in the past some US systems are... this among them) |
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| 01:19.42 | Jamash | Neffi: that's absurd, apis are functional, not creative |
| 01:20.20 | Jamash | korra is rad |
| 01:20.35 | Neffi | Jamash: wait wat |
| 01:21.06 | Gnarfoz | plaw: you mean, he's not a Dingo?! |
| 01:21.11 | Jamash | Neffi: Courts have consistently held that reverse engineering for compatibility purposes is a protected activity |
| 01:21.51 | Jamash | Neffi: I bet that the decision ruling that APIs are copyrightable will get overturned |
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| 01:31.23 | Shirik | sooooooooooo |
| 01:31.26 | Shirik | this just happened https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc1AadWt3nk |
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| 01:38.34 | Neffi | O_O |
| 01:46.24 | Arrowmaster | damnit why is unkle never here when i want to talk to him |
| 01:53.14 | Jamash | because he doesn't want to talk to you? |
| 01:53.58 | Arrowmaster | thats not it |
| 01:55.58 | Arrowmaster | i need to calm down, im nervous waiting for a reply to a message |
| 01:58.17 | Esamynn|work | Shirik: video not available in my country :( |
| 01:58.19 | Esamynn|work | WTF |
| 01:58.41 | Esamynn|work | I didn't know youtube allowed uploaders to do that |
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| 02:11.56 | Torhal | Shirik: CIA, man. |
| 02:13.15 | Jamash | Hey, what addon do I need to properly compare my 1h+offhand to a 2h weapon? RatingBuster seems defunct and the Blizzard equip compare fails miserably |
| 02:25.23 | Neffi | Jamash: Not sure if it works, but have you checked out the latest alpha of RatingBuster from wowace? |
| 02:25.58 | Neffi | Aside from that, the best way to compare, honestly, is to run the numbers. There's probably a spreadsheet out there you can plug the stats into |
| 02:27.00 | Jamash | I can use wowhead but that involves alt-tabbing and searching |
| 02:27.18 | Neffi | Are Wowheads calculations correct? Last I used it, almost all of them were wrong |
| 02:28.41 | Jamash | I dunno, I only care about the raw numbers, not the stat weightings |
| 02:29.12 | Jamash | I'm looking for a couple of seconds equip-or-not-equip while out questing, not agonizing over raid upgrades |
| 02:29.30 | Neffi | Equip, do a quest, see if it feels better |
| 02:29.31 | Jamash | the built-in one is fine except for 1h vs 2h |
| 02:29.37 | Jamash | har har har |
| 02:29.38 | Neffi | If not, then it's a close enough call to not matter |
| 02:29.44 | Neffi | No, I'm serious |
| 02:30.04 | Jamash | No, I'm seriously laughing at that |
| 02:30.07 | Neffi | It probably doesnt matter for leveling |
| 02:30.14 | Jamash | I know that |
| 02:30.24 | Neffi | What class btw? |
| 02:30.49 | Jamash | what *does* matter is that I try to vendor old quest gear as fast as I get new quest gear to keep my bags relatively clear |
| 02:31.07 | Jamash | so even if the difference is small I don't want to vendor the better item |
| 02:31.13 | Jamash | lock |
| 02:32.19 | Neffi | The latest RB on wowace is for 5.4.2. It might suffice for that, since it's just a raw numbers change unlike melee. Not sure though |
| 02:32.57 | Jamash | ratingsbuster alpha appears to work, thanks |
| 02:33.14 | Jamash | Yeah I don't care about the weapon dps |
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| 04:58.31 | relaxok | hmm the heal prediction bar is weird |
| 04:58.56 | relaxok | it anchors its left to the right side of the health bar but is the same size as it |
| 04:59.09 | relaxok | so by default it like extends off the end of it |
| 04:59.14 | relaxok | there must be some update that disables it |
| 04:59.37 | Neffi | Probably the initial size is the same, but then when the event fires, it changes the size accordingly |
| 04:59.51 | Gethe | ^ |
| 04:59.51 | Neffi | Exactly how I do it: just anchor to the end of the bar |
| 05:03.11 | relaxok | shouldnt it be hidden by default? |
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| 05:06.26 | Neffi | relaxok: Is it not? Look at the Lua code, maybe it manually hides in an early event like PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
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| 08:07.49 | relaxok | where is StaticPopup_Visible defined? |
| 08:08.03 | ZTrek | hello everyone |
| 08:08.17 | ZTrek | is anyone on? |
| 08:08.26 | Workfoz | nope |
| 08:08.30 | ZTrek | lol |
| 08:08.53 | Workfoz | (every time someone asks a question like that, I wonder if their IRC client has no user list? :D) |
| 08:09.00 | Gethe | relaxok: StaticPopup.lua |
| 08:09.05 | ZTrek | I'm new to irc |
| 08:09.11 | Workfoz | welcome! |
| 08:09.17 | ZTrek | ty |
| 08:09.44 | ZTrek | I have an addon related question |
| 08:09.56 | Gethe | Workfoz: i his defense many of them may be afk |
| 08:10.52 | Workfoz | well... they should be grayed out, if their IRC clients don't suck :D |
| 08:10.55 | ZTrek | how do you check if a character exists by name? I'm pretty sure UnitExists("playername") will do this? not sure yet..but is there another way? |
| 08:11.26 | Workfoz | (tbh, I've probably seen 50% of the people in here actually say something, if not less :D) |
| 08:11.39 | Workfoz | you can't check that |
| 08:11.42 | Workfoz | not that way at least |
| 08:12.09 | Workfoz | UnitExists("charactername") will work when you're grouped with "charactername" |
| 08:12.14 | Workfoz | but not if you're not |
| 08:12.23 | ZTrek | I've been searching through the API and that's the only thing I could find |
| 08:12.29 | relaxok | Gethe: oh i see, it hadnt been loaded yet and im doing OnShow right after OnLoad for stuff thats not hidden.. which is a bad thing |
| 08:12.55 | Workfoz | well, you can't just check for arbitrary character's existence =) |
| 08:13.21 | Gethe | relaxok: ah yes it's good to make sure the thing you're using has loaded first |
| 08:13.32 | Workfoz | you could try creating a character with a certain name, and if you can't, it either exists or it's blocked :D |
| 08:13.49 | ZTrek | what I actually need to do is have a way of determining if an alt was deleted |
| 08:14.00 | Workfoz | even less chance |
| 08:14.12 | Workfoz | that's information Blizzard doesn't want you to have |
| 08:14.15 | ZTrek | from within the addon |
| 08:15.15 | ZTrek | lol that's why I came here hoping someone might have more knowledge as to how to do it |
| 08:15.40 | ZTrek | I can't find a way that actually works |
| 08:15.56 | Workfoz | that seems intentional ;-) |
| 08:16.02 | Gethe | why do you need to know about deleted alts? |
| 08:16.29 | Gethe | and whos alts are they? guildy? friend? |
| 08:16.45 | Workfoz | yours, Gethe |
| 08:16.46 | Workfoz | :> |
| 08:16.51 | Gethe | D: |
| 08:16.52 | ZTrek | it's for an addon I'm working on...so they can be deleted from the friendslist automatically if they got deleted by the user |
| 08:17.01 | Workfoz | Blizzard does that for you |
| 08:17.05 | ZTrek | the players alts |
| 08:17.25 | Workfoz | deleted characters disappear from friends/ignore list automatically |
| 08:17.32 | ZTrek | oh |
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| 08:17.45 | Workfoz | (with a non-specific chat message that just says "friend was removed because the character no longer exists") |
| 08:18.40 | ZTrek | this is for Runes of Magic and Gameforge doesn't do it that way |
| 08:19.07 | Workfoz | ah well |
| 08:19.15 | Workfoz | you're in #WoWUIDev :P |
| 08:19.35 | Workfoz | no idea how others do it |
| 08:20.04 | ZTrek | Runes of Magic API is 99% the same as WoWs |
| 08:20.18 | Workfoz | I rather doubt that's an accurate statement |
| 08:20.47 | Gethe | ~lart Workfoz |
| 08:20.47 | purl | plops Workfoz into a giant vat of herring |
| 08:21.05 | Workfoz | yum |
| 08:21.12 | Workfoz | prepares some potatoes |
| 08:21.14 | Gethe | -_- |
| 08:21.57 | Gethe | steals Workfoz's potatoes. |
| 08:22.11 | Workfoz | Gethe: http://static.chefkoch-cdn.de/ck.de/rezepte/156/156270/223178-960x720-heringsstipp-light.jpg nom nom |
| 08:22.26 | Gethe | oh man... |
| 08:23.11 | Workfoz | it's delicious :< |
| 08:23.19 | Workfoz | (and very good against hangovers, I hear) |
| 08:23.47 | Gethe | good to know |
| 08:35.45 | zenzelezz | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/07/01/0025220/microsoft-takes-down-no-ipcom-domains - right... |
| 08:38.48 | Workfoz | I was quite confused when I saw that in my feed oO |
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| 09:42.22 | karl_w_w | you know what's good for hangovers? |
| 09:42.25 | karl_w_w | sobriety |
| 09:42.43 | VIad | or simply drinking moderatly |
| 09:43.14 | Workfoz | neither of those have quite the same appeal |
| 09:43.24 | relaxok | where is the UI paperdoll back texture? |
| 09:43.28 | relaxok | the empty slot |
| 09:45.16 | karl_w_w | also a pint of water and 2 asprin before bed, Workfoz |
| 09:45.27 | Workfoz | no way |
| 09:45.44 | karl_w_w | you don't like... asprin? |
| 09:45.47 | karl_w_w | water? |
| 09:45.49 | Workfoz | you... drink? |
| 09:45.50 | Workfoz | :D |
| 09:45.57 | Workfoz | I don't, usually ^^ |
| 09:46.06 | Workfoz | and certainly not to the point of getting a hangover ;) |
| 09:46.31 | karl_w_w | well u said sobriety and moderate drinking werent as appealing :P |
| 09:46.41 | karl_w_w | that only leaves hangover-level drinking |
| 09:46.46 | Workfoz | to those who drink, I meant |
| 09:46.55 | Workfoz | i.e. those with hangovers \o/ |
| 09:47.01 | Workfoz | or rather /o\ |
| 09:48.54 | karl_w_w | more like ♪┏(・o･)┛♪ |
| 09:49.56 | Workfoz | nice |
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| 10:26.53 | zenzelezz | "Summer: the best day of the year in the UK". Sometimes it feels like that in Norway too |
| 10:39.02 | karl_w_w | how do I have no spare sata cables in my house |
| 10:39.09 | karl_w_w | this isn't living |
| 10:42.52 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 10:43.15 | zenzelezz | SATA cables are like bobby pins, once they're in the house, they're everywhere |
| 10:45.16 | Mr_Rabies | universal power cables are that way for me |
| 10:45.24 | Mr_Rabies | i probably had 15+ not in use |
| 10:45.25 | Mr_Rabies | somehow |
| 10:45.32 | zenzelezz | universal? |
| 10:45.54 | Mr_Rabies | like the ones PSUs use, not truly universal but a ton of stuff uses it |
| 10:46.37 | zenzelezz | oh, the ones you also use for monitors and such things? |
| 10:47.16 | Mr_Rabies | these buggers: http://www.bestlinknetware.com/products/210101BK.jpg |
| 10:47.18 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 10:50.18 | karl_w_w | aka kettle leads |
| 10:51.12 | Mr_Rabies | i've never heard that term |
| 10:53.45 | Workfoz | here, have some standards http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60320#C13.2FC14_coupler |
| 10:54.32 | karl_w_w | who needs standards |
| 10:55.04 | zenzelezz | "The great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from" |
| 10:55.43 | Workfoz | let's make a standard to replace all these competing standards |
| 10:55.47 | Workfoz | </xkcd> |
| 10:58.35 | Mr_Rabies | speaking of standards |
| 10:59.12 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish i could modify the coupling strength in space engineers without delving into the world of player mods :( |
| 10:59.35 | Mr_Rabies | like, half of these couplers break my ship to some extent when they snap into place |
| 10:59.36 | karl_w_w | i really should get around to playing that |
| 10:59.36 | Mr_Rabies | it's crazy |
| 10:59.58 | karl_w_w | maybe you're supposed to make a ship that's stronger than couplers |
| 11:00.06 | Mr_Rabies | merge blocks and connectors both lurch with insane might |
| 11:00.12 | Mr_Rabies | that's the thing, though, you really can't |
| 11:00.41 | karl_w_w | have you tried duct tape? |
| 11:01.15 | Mr_Rabies | the shockwave from a single large merge block connection damaged the surface on my 3x3x30 large heavy armor block for like 3x3x10 |
| 11:02.07 | Mr_Rabies | i'm trying to build a giant mobile mining rig |
| 11:04.27 | Mr_Rabies | and it keeps ending in sadness when my drill's conductor pipe snaps when i pull the drill up, then i spend hours trying to reattach it |
| 11:05.31 | Mr_Rabies | it survives all the stresses from drilling fine, but the snap at the end where it hits the connector breaks the pipe everytime |
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| 11:10.33 | Mr_Rabies | ah, it's likely a bug with mass |
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| 11:11.15 | Mr_Rabies | ships with more mass cause a hell of a lot more percentage of destruction to the ship itself than smaller ships |
| 11:12.03 | Mr_Rabies | but i have inertial dampening on, etc, it's just the pull force is absurd with larger ships atm :( |
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| 13:14.42 | Kraps | World of Warcraft: War Crimes is narrated by scott brick |
| 13:14.48 | Kraps | thats cool |
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| 13:43.19 | karl_w_w | you know what annoys me about windows? the button on the taskbar that your mouse was last over always stays lit up |
| 13:54.55 | Semlar | no it doesn't |
| 13:56.07 | Semlar | at least not in windows 7 |
| 13:57.58 | nevcairiel | it sometimes happens, but its not intentional |
| 13:58.10 | Semlar | you might have to kill explorer and restart it |
| 13:58.27 | nevcairiel | it goes away when you hover it again |
| 14:02.18 | Workfoz | I've never managed to make it behave sanely |
| 14:02.37 | Workfoz | (i.e. it happens all the time for me) |
| 14:03.15 | Semlar | maybe something you're running is breaking it |
| 14:03.18 | Workfoz | one highlight for active program (brighter) and one for "cursor here" (colour derived from program icon) |
| 14:03.25 | Workfoz | the latter never goes away |
| 14:03.33 | Workfoz | always stays at the point where I left the taskbar |
| 14:03.41 | Workfoz | and what would that be, pray tell, Semlar |
| 14:03.59 | nevcairiel | i cant say I've seen this since windows 8.1 |
| 14:04.05 | Semlar | i don't know, but the highlight goes away when i mouse off an item in the taskbar |
| 14:04.10 | Workfoz | I've had it in 7 and I still have it in 8.1 :o |
| 14:04.19 | Workfoz | is your taskbar at the bottom of your screen? |
| 14:04.24 | Semlar | yes |
| 14:04.32 | Semlar | but i'm using windows 7 |
| 14:04.45 | Workfoz | mine isn't (and I've previously suspected that as the source of the problem, I never cared enough to try, though :P) |
| 14:05.09 | Semlar | it's also not on my primary monitor if that makes a difference |
| 14:05.39 | Workfoz | happens at the bottom, too |
| 14:07.11 | Semlar | does shift right clicking on the icon make it stop |
| 14:07.36 | Workfoz | no |
| 14:07.41 | Workfoz | (what's that supposed to do) |
| 14:08.03 | Workfoz | also, I have it set to only combine buttonswhen the task bar is full |
| 14:08.32 | Workfoz | can you move the taskbar to screen 2 when you only have it enabled on one screen? |
| 14:08.43 | Workfoz | (if so, I can't do that through teamviewer and I'll have to wait until I get home :D) |
| 14:09.01 | Semlar | i have my taskbar on my second monitor only |
| 14:09.05 | Workfoz | ok, now it's not doing it :| |
| 14:09.13 | Workfoz | how'd you do that? |
| 14:09.19 | Workfoz | did you move it there? |
| 14:09.27 | Semlar | right click, unlock, drag it over |
| 14:09.37 | Workfoz | ok, yeah, I guess I can't do that over teamviewer ^^) |
| 14:09.47 | Workfoz | oh wait I can |
| 14:10.00 | Workfoz | there's an option to display all screens that I overlooked |
| 14:10.28 | Semlar | i don't like it on my primary monitor because that's where i have games and videos and fullscreen stuff |
| 14:10.32 | Workfoz | well, it stopped doing it before I moved it |
| 14:10.41 | Workfoz | probably only a matter of time before it does it again |
| 14:10.53 | Workfoz | what would shift-right click do? |
| 14:11.19 | Semlar | just bring up the context menu, it's a suggested fix i saw for the issue in windows 7 but it rarely ever happens to me |
| 14:12.04 | Workfoz | yeah I just saw |
| 14:12.05 | Workfoz | http://superuser.com/questions/61833/windows-7-taskbar-icon-highlight-sticks |
| 14:12.08 | Workfoz | probably read this? :D |
| 14:12.14 | Semlar | yeah |
| 14:12.41 | Workfoz | guess it does fix it, but not immediately...? maybe I didn't pay proper attention to when exactly it stopped |
| 14:12.47 | Semlar | if it ever bugs out i just kill explorer though |
| 14:13.13 | Semlar | once in a while the window preview thing gets a little buggy on me |
| 14:13.41 | Workfoz | that's too annoying for me, I think several programs have still not learned how to re-register for the notification tray when that happens |
| 14:13.50 | Semlar | that's true |
| 14:14.06 | Semlar | not everything comes back in the tray |
| 14:14.21 | Semlar | although i think only one of my programs doesn't |
| 14:14.57 | Workfoz | I guess I could nuke it and see what gets lost :D |
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| 14:47.51 | karl_w_w | I have the same behaviour as Workfoz |
| 14:48.04 | karl_w_w | I'm also great at starting conversations and disappearing |
| 14:48.13 | Workfoz | well, the same solution should work then |
| 14:48.21 | Workfoz | (although the posts claim that it's only temporary) |
| 14:49.26 | karl_w_w | interesting |
| 14:50.01 | karl_w_w | i wonder how long it'll take to come back |
| 14:51.32 | karl_w_w | i have 20 things in my tray and they all come back if I kill explorer |
| 14:52.36 | Dagmar | Uninstall the damn things |
| 14:54.05 | karl_w_w | i dont want to |
| 14:56.12 | karl_w_w | well I got rid of 1 of them, the rest I don't want to :P |
| 14:57.01 | karl_w_w | or can't without going to more effort than it's worth |
| 14:57.09 | karl_w_w | (I'm looking at you skydrive) |
| 14:57.29 | karl_w_w | oh it's called onedrive now |
| 14:58.49 | Workfoz | "now" |
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| 16:54.30 | foxlit | the first days of a hearthstone season are weird. |
| 16:54.59 | Fisker | You're weird |
| 16:55.08 | foxlit | Thanks. |
| 16:57.36 | Fisker | It's what I do |
| 16:59.45 | Fisker | Played hots though foxlit ? |
| 17:00.27 | foxlit | nerf… terran, it has to be. |
| 17:04.03 | Fisker | Ok |
| 17:04.10 | Fisker | I'll nerf you |
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| 17:22.47 | Fisker | needs foxlit |
| 17:22.57 | Fisker | Damnit keyboard |
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| 17:49.23 | kd3|hate`net | eesh. match #4 going to extra time |
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| 17:59.51 | smcn | doesn't every match go into extra time |
| 18:00.06 | kd3 | as in overtime, not stoppage time |
| 18:00.15 | smcn | like why even have extra time just make the matches longer #openmicnightjokes |
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| 18:07.42 | Dagmar | Because during the "extra time" there are "instantaneous win" conditions that make the crowd buy more beer and chips |
| 18:08.54 | Dagmar | If it weren't for the increased pressure providing extra excitement, players would start again start biting each other to entertain the crowd. |
| 18:12.49 | Amarande | Instantaneous win? |
| 18:13.01 | Amarande | Dagmar, there's no Sudden Death scoring (or "Golden Goal" as they call it) in soccer :) |
| 18:13.20 | Amarande | Mind you, given the glacial pace at which goals tend to be scored in soccer, any scoring in extra time usually *is* the end of it but still, heh |
| 18:13.32 | Dagmar | ...and now we can see why you're not involved in beer and chips sales |
| 18:14.41 | Amarande | :P |
| 18:17.11 | Dagmar | I've got a good one to report tonight once I'm home. |
| 18:17.42 | Dagmar | One of the garrison missions allowed me to send someone off with her _own_ follower contract as a reward |
| 18:17.59 | Dagmar | Should be interesting to see what happens there |
| 18:22.24 | Gnarfoz | what "instantaneous win" conditions are you referring to? |
| 18:22.50 | Gnarfoz | a goal in minute 90 is just as much an instantaneous win as one in minute 120 |
| 18:23.16 | Dagmar | For those not paying attention, the point is that it sells beer and chisp |
| 18:23.47 | Gnarfoz | ok, I forgot for a minute that football rules are made by the snacks lobby |
| 18:23.49 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:24.02 | Dagmar | Have you _seen_ American football games? |
| 18:24.28 | Dagmar | You could add extra time into the game, but then there'd be ties which are boring |
| 18:24.38 | Dagmar | ...or you'd wind up adding more extra time on top of that again. |
| 18:24.51 | Dagmar | ...but the clincher is that when a game goes into "extra" time, people buy another round. |
| 18:25.00 | Gnarfoz | I haven't seen a full-time handegg game, no :D |
| 18:25.53 | Dagmar | We've spent like a few million just making sure advertising overlay areas in the field can show different ads to different viewer groups |
| 18:26.00 | Gnarfoz | if the rules were made by the snacks lobby, wouldn't they just add a mandatory 3rd half with a similar pause as between the first two? :D |
| 18:26.16 | Dagmar | Like, ads and tchotcke are what makes most major sports happen |
| 18:27.30 | Dagmar | Umm... somewhat obviously people would simply continue buying the same amount of junk food as before |
| 18:27.33 | kd3 | and with 3 minutes to spare... |
| 18:27.55 | Dagmar | Go to one of these things and watch when the countrs get rushed |
| 18:28.14 | Gnarfoz | god I hate Messi :p |
| 18:28.34 | Dagmar | ...or, pick up a brass instrument and go be in college band. |
| 18:28.47 | Dagmar | Plenty of time to sit there and watch what's actually happening |
| 18:28.55 | Gnarfoz | sorry, not traveling 9000 km just to understand your ravings ^^ |
| 18:29.20 | Dagmar | Then feel free to get a job working concessions |
| 18:30.12 | Dagmar | Major sports happen involving largess because of advertising, merchandising, and _venue sales_ |
| 18:30.47 | Gnarfoz | yes, yes, keep moving those goalposts ^^ |
| 18:30.52 | Fisker | drops the beat |
| 18:31.04 | Dagmar | Not moving them, although you apparently can't even find them to begin with |
| 18:31.37 | Gnarfoz | surely you just turned "make major sports happen" into "make major sports happen with largess [sic]" |
| 18:31.47 | Dagmar | There's no benefit to making extra time or overtime just part of standard game time, but the stadiums would absolutely pitch a fit if you took it out because they make a lot of dough then |
| 18:32.01 | Dagmar | They make a lot of dough _because_ it's "extra" time |
| 18:32.30 | Dagmar | yes, because major sports without largess is called "minor leagues", tool |
| 18:32.31 | Gnarfoz | nobody suggested removing extra time, though. |
| 18:33.03 | Dagmar | <smcn> like why even have extra time just make the matches longer #openmicnightjokes |
| 18:33.12 | Gnarfoz | exactly |
| 18:33.27 | Gnarfoz | he suggested making matches longer by default |
| 18:33.31 | Gnarfoz | which you just said does nothing |
| 18:33.35 | Gnarfoz | but he didn't suggest removing extra time |
| 18:33.37 | Gnarfoz | (still wondering what those instantaneous win conditions are, btw) |
| 18:34.00 | Dagmar | Keep wondering |
| 18:35.52 | Gnarfoz | no need, I'll just discard the notion ^^ |
| 18:36.00 | Dagmar | Good for you |
| 18:36.07 | Dagmar | No need to worry about how soccer works |
| 18:36.13 | Gnarfoz | yep, no need, since I know |
| 18:36.13 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:36.28 | Dagmar | Odd you're confused about how extra time is still in the game then |
| 18:36.46 | Gnarfoz | I am? that's news to me :D |
| 18:37.00 | Dagmar | I imagine rather a lot of things are. |
| 18:37.20 | Gnarfoz | yep, by the nature of the universe |
| 18:39.26 | Gnarfoz | nice try though ^^ |
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| 19:01.53 | smcn | that was a joke btw i don't even watch The Footie |
| 19:17.54 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh, isn't the generally understood reason why MLS hasn't made it as big as MLB or NBA or NFL is because soccer doesn't permit for as much ad insertion as baseball or basketball or American football? |
| 19:18.17 | Amarande | (largely because the clock never stops, and because the Heidi Bowl already taught TV stations their freezingly cold chilling lesson about not showing everything :P) |
| 19:35.45 | zenzelezz | the ad theory is actually an interesting one |
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| 19:49.11 | Amarande | yeah, I'm not even sure there's a way to really adapt soccer to let you take more commercial breaks either without basically completely changing from international rules (which would never fly if we're to be credible and not just create American Football Mk. 2) |
| 19:50.22 | Amarande | and yup, *definitely* can't cut out parts of the game. Heidi Bowl, anyone? :P |
| 19:50.55 | kd3 | they can try what they do for racing -- a small clip of the race in one corner while most of the screen is the ad |
| 19:51.13 | Amarande | whereas with the MLB, the game is practically turn based; I'm not sure quite how they handle it in basketball off the top of my head heh; and with NFL the clock is jokish, it's almost as turn based as baseball :P |
| 19:51.56 | Amarande | Hockey seems like it has a little trouble maintaining revenue lately too, its passing similarity to soccer possibly indicates it's the same troubles at hand (slow scoring, not so many opportunities to take a break) |
| 19:52.43 | Unkle | Injecting commercial messages into sports events doesn't really seem to be a problem for US TV networks. |
| 19:54.32 | Amarande | Unkle: wouldn't be surprised if for things like the racing and the World Cup they get cut-rate payment though compared to if the advertisers could get everyone's FULL attention, though, I suppose |
| 19:54.47 | Amarande | while with the NFL, say, the game stops altogether for the ads, so they know they've got your full eyeball |
| 19:55.18 | Amarande | If you put the ad as a subset of the screen like a web ad, you can probably expect them to pay you like a web ad, LOL |
| 19:55.37 | Dagmar | Unkle: West coast viewers and east coast viewers actually see different billboards superimposed over other billboards around the playfield |
| 19:56.49 | Amarande | Dagmar: well, ever since the Super Bowl Halftime Crass Extravaganza a few years ago (and also considering crass US practises like streaking), presumably football matches are edited in real time already anyway, so they can get away with that easily |
| 19:57.48 | Unkle | Dagmar: Yeah. I've seen it at work. |
| 19:58.54 | Amarande | heh, wonder if that's also why FOX was so pissed off at Aereo |
| 19:59.11 | Amarande | things like Aereo would pretty badly eat into their ability to modulate ad content based on regions, I suppose :P |
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| 20:06.45 | Unkle | http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/starz-bryan-fuller-board-neil-716142 |
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| 20:38.03 | Shirik | do we have any UK people here? |
| 20:38.20 | Shirik | what's the deal with northern ireland? it seems like they're being made out to be terrorists or something |
| 20:38.46 | Gnarfoz | the deal is: please read some history |
| 20:39.05 | Gnarfoz | that can't really be summarized in this format ;D |
| 20:39.56 | Shirik | but like |
| 20:40.16 | Shirik | I never even heard that there was any dispute until some forced reading by my company |
| 20:40.23 | Shirik | so this is actually a thing? |
| 20:40.38 | Shirik | it's not just biased writing? |
| 20:41.00 | Gnarfoz | uh |
| 20:41.26 | Gnarfoz | it was 30 years of violence with thousands of dead :\ |
| 20:41.33 | foxlit | “this” is clearly not a thing. “that” on the other hand, is. |
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| 20:42.13 | foxlit | Are you trying to refer to something specific, Shirik? |
| 20:43.01 | Gnarfoz | the period has such a British name it can't really get any more British: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles |
| 20:44.44 | Shirik | foxlit: well for example, the fact that MI5 says there is a "severe" threat level for Northern Ireland (attack highly likely), for example |
| 20:45.44 | foxlit | ooh, threat levels, fancy. |
| 20:45.57 | foxlit | You know what would be more informative? “Time since last attack” |
| 20:46.12 | Gnarfoz | a nice, big billboard |
| 20:46.38 | kd3 | there have been [0] days since the last terror attack |
| 20:47.32 | Shirik | omg |
| 20:47.34 | Shirik | I approve of this idea |
| 20:48.07 | Gnarfoz | kd3 read my mind |
| 20:51.03 | foxlit | Shirik: add some context, it has been “SEVERE” since 2010, when it was first introduced. |
| 20:52.05 | Shirik | sure I mean that's not really what I was looking at exactly, but it was a comment in the paragraph I Was reading |
| 20:52.16 | Shirik | this is what I was actually reading: http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/country/united-kingdom.html |
| 20:57.06 | foxlit | meh, seems sane to me. |
| 20:58.24 | Fisker | Hey hey foxlit |
| 21:07.06 | Amarande | Shirik: from what I remember in history class, Northern Ireland has been a horrendously conflict-ridden area for centuries |
| 21:07.24 | Amarande | pretty much ever since the English tried to lay a claim to Ireland, I suppose |
| 21:08.08 | Amarande | but it's probably been especially bad for nearly 500 years now |
| 21:08.36 | Amarande | since that's when Henry VIII reigned, and he was the one who started the whole Church of England thing, whereas Ireland has always been strongly Catholic |
| 21:09.12 | Amarande | (wow, I was surprised to double check and find Henry VIII was THAT long ago ... I thought there was more time between the Wars of the Roses and Henry VIII) |
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| 21:56.28 | pompy | http://gizmodo.com/the-ftc-just-accused-t-mobile-of-putting-fake-charges-o-1598656528 |
| 21:56.31 | pompy | i wouldnt doubt it |
| 21:58.18 | foxlit | “Where disputes arise, a panel of experts will decide what counts as a swear word.” << That must be a greatly amusing job. |
| 21:59.16 | pompy | Shirik: http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/ |
| 21:59.37 | pompy | today seems to mark an anniversary of a terrorist attack there |
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| 22:13.34 | Amarande | wow our goalie ran out of steam |
| 22:13.50 | kd3 | after 15 saves... |
| 22:13.55 | Shirik | maybe the US can stop pretending like they like soccer now |
| 22:14.10 | Amarande | but hey, look at the team that beat us last time ... (derisive voice) Ghana didn't even make it out of the Group Round ... |
| 22:14.27 | fewyn | i liked soccer before the world cup Shirik :( |
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