| 00:00.23 | dusf123 | Primer: you mentioned you play on linux, ever experience white minimap indoors? i have read it was a problem for ati but i am using intel hd 4000 |
| 00:00.34 | Primer | nope, I use nvidia |
| 00:00.47 | Primer | I can't imagine how horrible that must be, using intel hd 4000 |
| 00:01.12 | dusf123 | i get 60 fps |
| 00:01.28 | Amarande | hm, how many fights do have players spread out over more than 100 yards |
| 00:01.28 | dusf123 | my screen has a refesh rate of 60hz so any fps more than that is wasted |
| 00:01.49 | Amarande | maybe that giant bug from HoF (Garalon? I always mix him up with that shaman named Gara from the other raid) |
| 00:02.09 | kullervo | technically it isn't |
| 00:02.29 | kullervo | since afaik addons etc go frame by frame |
| 00:02.32 | Amarande | heh, I gave up on linux gaming again for the time being |
| 00:02.45 | Amarande | I'm not sure why wine is so effing painfully hard to set up on debian in particular |
| 00:03.02 | dusf123 | all i play is wow and css right now so i am happy on linux |
| 00:03.21 | Amarande | otoh, attempting to set up wine did make me rather appreciate why windows takes up so much disk space, heh |
| 00:03.22 | dusf123 | with no truecrypt support for windows gpt i am not comfortable storing anything personal on windows so this works out nicely |
| 00:03.41 | dusf123 | Amarande: my wine wow install works - virtually - flawlessly |
| 00:03.51 | dusf123 | i'm sure there's a fix for white minimap indoors |
| 00:03.57 | Amarande | which is that as I understand it, 64-bit Windows basically has to install almost two full copies of Windows |
| 00:04.04 | Amarande | due to 32-bit library requirements |
| 00:04.12 | Esamynn|work | sounds about right |
| 00:04.40 | Esamynn|work | plus all the compatibility stuff |
| 00:04.48 | Amarande | (although it still at least seems like PE executables are larger on average than similar ELF ones) |
| 00:04.52 | Esamynn|work | ie. the 32bit emulation layer |
| 00:05.45 | Esamynn|work | I've come to realise that Microsoft does a shit ton of work to maintain backwards compatibility |
| 00:06.00 | Esamynn|work | mainly because they get screamed at for other peoples crap when they don't |
| 00:06.01 | Amarande | Esamynn: also that that's the greatest weakness of closed source software |
| 00:06.15 | Amarande | on linux, you don't maintain so much backwards compatibility if any |
| 00:06.28 | Amarande | but it's because you don't NEED backwards compatibility, because you get to just recompile most everything for the new libraries |
| 00:06.42 | Esamynn|work | mmm, that only goes so far |
| 00:06.43 | Amarande | on windows, you have so much closed source stuff that has to simply have the library structure accommodate because it can't be rebuilt |
| 00:06.47 | Esamynn|work | but yes, that is one factor |
| 00:07.18 | Amarande | yeah, I have seen library changes that were more far-ranging than they ought to be |
| 00:07.30 | Amarande | like for a while a glibc update prevented several strains of ircd from compiling |
| 00:07.46 | Primer | dusf123: at what resolution? |
| 00:07.56 | Amarande | and it was at the most a 2.y update, might even have been a mere patchlevel (2.0.z) update |
| 00:08.09 | Amarande | a mere patchlevel update shouldn't break that much stuff :S |
| 00:08.31 | Amarande | not even just talking binaries, I mean the source would throw make errors at that point |
| 00:08.37 | Esamynn|work | says you :P |
| 00:08.58 | Amarande | Esamynn: heh, as a WoW player, I've gotten used to that not being the case in real life, LOL |
| 00:09.20 | Amarande | seems quite often an innocent seeming third-number patch breaks stuff left right and middle |
| 00:09.23 | Esamynn|work | I've come to realise that developers WILL run amock if not kept in line by someone |
| 00:09.36 | Esamynn|work | even the best intentioned, most disciplined ones |
| 00:09.37 | Amarande | like 5.4.8 with cvars, or what was it ... 2.4.2 or 2.4.3 I think where they overhauled combat log? |
| 00:10.02 | Esamynn|work | this is how I've learned to play the "bad guy" |
| 00:10.25 | Esamynn|work | because it is sometimes necessary to keep things from going to crazy town |
| 00:13.20 | Dashkal | Esamynn|work: No no no, I know we ship tomorrow but the client once said offhandedly that he'd love to see that feature and I just got it done. I'm just gonna push that. |
| 00:15.24 | Esamynn|work | among other things, yes |
| 00:15.47 | Dashkal | I've /never/ done that. *innocent look* |
| 00:16.11 | Dashkal | See also "Nobody uses that feature anyway" |
| 00:17.45 | Esamynn|work | ~liar Dashkal |
| 00:17.58 | Esamynn|work | :( |
| 00:18.02 | Esamynn|work | Dashkal: LIAR! |
| 00:18.44 | Dashkal | I tried to play the bad guy for awhile, since nobody else at the time was doing it... Sadly, not a thing I seem to be suited for. |
| 00:19.21 | Esamynn|work | I get certain perverse joy from breaking someone's stuff when they well and truly deserve it |
| 00:20.42 | Dashkal | Heh, if I don't play nice with the agreed on contracts, I deserve it |
| 00:24.34 | Amarande | Dashkal: feature removals should be done ONLY in major version overhauls :p |
| 00:24.47 | Amarande | one doesn't like to have to worry about whether an up*date* is an up*grade* or the opposite, LOL |
| 00:25.21 | Amarande | by default, updates, especially automatic ones, should be either sidegrades or upgrades. an automatic update that includes major feature removals is called evil |
| 00:26.02 | Dashkal | Heh, I don't necessaraly disagree. |
| 00:26.08 | Dashkal | But on the other hand, it's a different game for me. |
| 00:26.18 | Dashkal | "upgrades" don't mean the same thing in SaaS land |
| 00:28.07 | Amarande | eh cloud features ... sometimes I get the impression we overrely on them lately :) |
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| 00:28.28 | Amarande | although I suppose there's a few I like, such as account-based application sync/redownload, IMAP email, and of course MMORPGs probably count too |
| 00:29.07 | Amarande | seems almost like they take the *aaS stuff too far lately though ... like 8.1 not allowing you to uninstall onedrive and defaulting to cloud storage for saving |
| 00:29.21 | Dashkal | It's more or less demand driven. People just don't want to deal with maintaining the stuff themeslves. |
| 00:30.55 | Amarande | yeah, some things are better off on the cloud I suppose, like who wants to self maintain email :) |
| 00:31.15 | plaw | "All users of FFmpeg, Libav, and projects that depend on them, should consider themselves at risk to remote code execution. Period. " |
| 00:31.16 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure there are sysadmins that delved into sendmail configuration one day and never came back, heh |
| 00:31.18 | plaw | http://blog.securitymouse.com/2014/06/raising-lazarus-20-year-old-bug-that.html |
| 00:31.19 | Dashkal | Heh, tried that once. Aaaaand now gmail knows every detail about me. *sigh* |
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| 00:31.35 | plaw | LZO/LZ4 is bust |
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| 00:34.58 | Amarande | hrm |
| 00:35.02 | Amarande | does vlc use that or some other lib? |
| 00:35.09 | Amarande | gah, please don't tell me vlc uses this. :| |
| 00:35.42 | Amarande | I could do without it on windows, but it seems to come standard (and with browser plugin) on the ubuntu 14.04 live |
| 00:36.03 | Amarande | and I'd hate to have to be without a live emergency disc I can safely browse with until 14.10 comes out :| |
| 00:36.59 | Amarande | (Knoppix causes a hard freeze about a minute after boot on my hardware, I don't know why.) |
| 00:39.41 | Dagmar | Tell it to not show the graphical hides-everything screen |
| 00:40.04 | Amarande | though tbh, on the other hand, I'm not entirely sure what you'd have to be browsing for the VLC plugin to be risky |
| 00:40.33 | Amarande | pretty sure Google re-encodes everything that's submitted to Youtube (which I'm not sure hits the vlc plugin anyhow) which would destroy any payloads in the process |
| 00:40.45 | Amarande | and ads usually use Flash or Java, not plain video |
| 00:41.06 | Amarande | (actually I'm not sure I've seen a java ad anytime lately anyway, but flash doesn't hit vlc either) |
| 00:42.18 | Dagmar | Flash is just desperately worse than VLC |
| 00:43.55 | Amarande | yeah, the standalone flash plugin is something I don't tend to bother to install anymore |
| 00:44.01 | Amarande | if I must use flash, I use what's included in Chrome |
| 00:44.24 | Amarande | speaking of which, I wonder how the browser wars are going to work out over in Europe now |
| 00:44.38 | Amarande | on open source operating systems, in some Scandinavian countries in particular, there may be NO ideal browser atm :| |
| 00:45.34 | Amarande | at least assuming you want to do day to day activities and watch web video |
| 00:46.32 | Amarande | Firefox on Linux has that ancient-tastic Flash, but on the other hand, apparently you can't use Java with Chrome/ium anymore unless you get icky Oracle Java, because NPAPI was dropped, and I hear in some countries like Denmark and at least one other place in Scandinavia you can't log onto the national banking system without Java |
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| 00:48.38 | plaw | FF on my linux box has no flash, ancient or otherwise. I have nfi what you're on about. |
| 00:49.03 | plaw | oh, you mean adobe stopped supporting linux back in flash 11 |
| 00:50.23 | Amarande | plaw: yeah, that |
| 00:50.31 | Amarande | so firefox is probably not ideal for watching web video on linux anymore |
| 00:50.35 | Amarande | pretty much gotta have chrome nowadays |
| 00:50.56 | Amarande | 'cept folks who need java (glad I don't) can't use chrome anymore pretty much (unless oracle java added support for the new plugin api) |
| 00:51.40 | Amarande | I'm surprised adobe still lets you install it, when they EOLed flash for Android they pulled it from download circulation altogether except for updates for existing installs |
| 00:52.17 | plaw | they're still supporting it because of enterprise linux installs (read US .mil) |
| 00:52.25 | plaw | and banks etc. |
| 00:52.53 | Amarande | wonder if <video> will ever quite mature enough that flash can finally be obsoleted, though |
| 00:53.03 | Amarande | seems like html5 has been spinning wheels for a long while :( |
| 00:53.39 | Arrowmaster | it wont ever happen due to bullshit from the license holders |
| 00:53.59 | Amarande | I'm guessing part of it is commerciality, sadly |
| 00:54.20 | Amarande | when you think about it, it seems like human nature is going to make tech grind to a halt at some point |
| 00:54.36 | Neffi | I dont know what you expect. It works great in all major browsers. It's starting to get widespread support, such that even some porn sites have an HTML5 player. And with FF giving up and agreeing to implement the necessities for DRM w/ <video>, it won't be long until it begins to supplant Flash for content distributors (I think Netflix already has an HTML5 player if the DRM extensions are enabled) |
| 00:54.43 | Amarande | a) tech has become complex enough that you can't really do anything huge and ambitious on your own unless you're the second coming of da Vinci |
| 00:55.04 | Arrowmaster | the html5 drm will never mature properly |
| 00:55.13 | Amarande | b) things that require a team seem to get the most productivity, by and large, in a commercially supported setting where people are paid to work on the project |
| 00:55.21 | Neffi | Depends what you mean by `mature` and `properly` |
| 00:55.27 | Arrowmaster | its going to be yet another plugin only supported on the primary systems and completely abandoned on everything else |
| 00:55.48 | Amarande | however, c) commercial interests' interest tends to increasingly lie in *holding back* progress rather than encouraging it, because encouraging process easily leads to self-obsolescence |
| 00:56.00 | Amarande | wonder if that's a reason why so many promising projects spin wheels. :S |
| 00:57.24 | Amarande | e.g., technology works best for everyone when you have open, robust standards, but open, robust standards do not lend themselves to profit the way that closed, fee-laden formats do :p |
| 00:58.01 | Amarande | however, few are the people who will work on something that complex for others without compensation :| |
| 00:59.21 | Amarande | Neffi: Flash is still common enough to be considered ubiquitous, though |
| 00:59.43 | Amarande | For instance, I'm currently on an Ubuntu 14.04 live DVD, which lacks Flash. It seems like every other site I visit in Firefox with it asks me if I would like to install Flash. |
| 01:00.13 | Amarande | In particular, it seems that advertisers dislike <video> for some reason. |
| 01:00.43 | Amarande | which is apparently what holds back Youtube to a large degree (last I saw, monetised videos still required flash, even though non-monetised ones work with html5) |
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| 02:28.56 | plaw | http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mad7euDmxj1qaxzdbo1_1280.jpg |
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| 02:35.04 | kullervo | I don't get it |
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| 06:20.03 | tardmrr | ~laziness |
| 06:20.03 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 06:20.10 | tardmrr | ~impatience |
| 06:20.10 | purl | IMPATIENCE: The anger you feel when the computer is being lazy. This makes you write programs that don't just react to your needs, but actually anticipate them. Or at least that pretend to. Hence, the second great virtue of a programmer. |
| 06:20.16 | tardmrr | ~hubris |
| 06:20.16 | purl | HUBRIS: Excessive pride, the sort of thing Zeus zaps you for. Also the quality that makes you write (and maintain) programs that other people won't want to say bad things about. Hence, the third great virtue of a programmer. |
| 06:20.25 | tardmrr | ~fear of complexity |
| 06:20.25 | purl | FEAR OF COMPLEXITY: That which causes you to implement as little as possible, as simplicity is easier to fix. As well, that which prevents feature creep due to the environmental damage it causes. Hence, the fourth great virtue of a programmer. |
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| 07:24.50 | plaw | 'Extreme viewing of "The Thing"' http://www.antarctica.gov.au/living-and-working/stations/casey/this-week-at-casey/2014/this-week-at-casey-27-june-2014/4 |
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| 08:39.58 | plaw | http://steamcommunity.com/games/265930/announcements/detail/1694792339497096481 |
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| 09:02.59 | zenzelezz | "For floating point values, is it guaranteed that a + b == b + a ?" -- "It is not even required that a + b == a + b." |
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| 09:26.37 | karl_w_w | http://www.antarctica.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0007/141397/varieties/antarctic.jpg I feel like most projectors wouldn't work at -22 |
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| 09:49.16 | Sintacks | lol |
| 10:02.06 | znf | Can someone slap some sense into me with ssh port forwarding? |
| 10:02.10 | znf | I'm having a brain lapse here |
| 10:02.32 | znf | I'm connecting from host1 to host2, and I want host1:12000 to be accesible as "localhost:24000" on host2 |
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| 10:43.37 | Maldivia | znf: ssh -R 24000:localhost:12000 host2 ? |
| 10:43.47 | znf | figured it out eventually, but thanks :) |
| 10:44.00 | Maldivia | well, I was eating pizza... and pizza >>>>> ssh questions :P |
| 10:44.20 | znf | don't worry :P |
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| 11:01.17 | zenzelezz | "Will someone do rooftop rumble with me?" -- "I can tonight 21.00" -- "U meen 9 pm?" ... dude, you're Norwegian, how can you have to ask that question |
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| 11:30.56 | nevcairiel | i thought only americans fail at counting to 24 |
| 11:31.44 | zenzelezz | so did I... but apparently my cousin isn't being as Norwegian as he should be |
| 11:32.03 | nevcairiel | at least he knew which time you menat |
| 11:32.05 | nevcairiel | meant* |
| 11:32.07 | nevcairiel | even if he asked |
| 11:32.35 | zenzelezz | wasn't me, but yeah. Apparently his posts sometimes show up on my Facebook stream |
| 11:35.42 | zenzelezz | actually noticed a few times lately that Facebook decides to show me that someone on my friends list posts to groups (or pages? or something) that I don't follow |
| 12:07.07 | zenzelezz | heh, coworker showed me an interesting auto-complete suggestion from Google... he was looking for a way to see if something was triggered from jQuery. Entered "detect if event called by j", and Google suggests "jesus" |
| 12:07.28 | nevcairiel | are you that surprised |
| 12:07.40 | zenzelezz | personally, yes |
| 12:09.04 | nevcairiel | maybe your coworker has his google search biased towards such results with things he usually searches for |
| 12:09.08 | nevcairiel | you should ask him about that |
| 12:19.39 | airtonix | isn't that just what google normally does |
| 12:20.18 | airtonix | search for / visit sites that run google ads/analytics |
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| 12:42.41 | relaxok | inline xml attributes and attributes set with SetAttribute, aren't case sensitive right? |
| 12:42.48 | relaxok | i'm seeing some setAllPoints and some setallpoints |
| 12:42.50 | relaxok | in blizz's stuff |
| 13:00.15 | zenzelezz | relaxok: I'm not sure about that; but for setallpoints I would think it would be better to just call SetAllPoints() on the frame instead of trying to SetAttribute it (I might be wrong, it's been a while) |
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| 13:53.25 | Lopeppeppy | Bonjour. |
| 13:54.14 | Fisker | Hey Lopeppeppy |
| 13:54.18 | Fisker | I'm free |
| 13:54.59 | Lopeppeppy | No charge for your services? |
| 13:55.27 | Fisker | Not for you |
| 13:55.42 | Fisker | But that's not what I meant >_> |
| 13:56.38 | zenzelezz | he's free as in beer |
| 13:58.17 | Lopeppeppy | Free Beer and Hot Wings? I listen to them in the mornings. |
| 13:58.56 | Fisker | ;_; |
| 13:59.43 | Lopeppeppy | * kiss kiss * I beg Your Grace to pardon me, for I was born to speak all mirth and no matter. |
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| 14:16.01 | Fisker | o_o |
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| 14:26.30 | Fisker | One day Lopeppeppy |
| 14:27.06 | Fisker | You will pay for your transgressions |
| 14:27.22 | Lopeppeppy | You really should watch the Joss Whedon version of "Much Ado About Nothing" |
| 14:28.28 | Fisker | Why? |
| 14:29.21 | Dagmar | Jesus some people are thick |
| 14:30.00 | Lopeppeppy | Because it kicks ass. |
| 14:31.34 | Fisker | Oh |
| 14:40.26 | Fisker | I don't get it Lopeppeppy |
| 14:41.07 | Lopeppeppy | Shakespeare too dense for you? |
| 14:41.14 | Fisker | Wow |
| 14:41.17 | Fisker | No |
| 14:41.21 | Fisker | Or maybe? |
| 14:41.34 | Fisker | Just don't see why I would watch it |
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| 15:05.53 | Fisker | I'm doing it Lopeppeppy |
| 15:05.54 | airtonix | http://www.luisaviaroma.com/index.aspx#ItemSrv.ashx|SeasonId=59I&CollectionId=7EZ&ItemId=1&SeasonMemoCode=sale&GenderMemoCode=men&CategoryId=&SubLineId=clothing&PID=3021243&AID=10809740&utm_source=CommissionJunction |
| 15:06.05 | airtonix | lol@sessionid |
| 15:06.26 | airtonix | err... nvm |
| 15:07.36 | Lopeppeppy | Classic shakespeare is education, Fisker. |
| 15:08.13 | Fisker | education in irrelevance |
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| 15:30.32 | jleclanche | This year's X.Org GSoC projects were very interesting and are listed here. One of the projects that failed was the the lightweight Qt Quick compositing window manager effort. |
| 15:30.34 | jleclanche | god damn it |
| 15:32.25 | Dagmar | probably wound up in the same place the Boy Scouts "icy campfire" research went |
| 15:32.31 | nevcairiel | you dont just write a new window manager, X APIs are of the devil |
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| 15:40.30 | Rythal | wtt my first born child for beta access :P |
| 15:41.07 | airtonix | i hear north korea is interested |
| 15:41.26 | airtonix | they'll use it to farm gold to sell back to you |
| 15:41.27 | Fisker | Also depends on gender and whether or not said first born is conceived yet |
| 15:42.09 | Rythal | no... not yet conceived :/ |
| 15:42.44 | airtonix | not of to a good start on this deal are you? |
| 15:44.26 | Rythal | ahh it's a mystery tho! you can gamble on if you'll get a male or female. |
| 15:45.38 | Fisker | What if you don't care? |
| 15:45.52 | Rythal | Then you win either way! |
| 15:46.50 | Ressy | o.O |
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| 16:09.54 | Shirik | I am going to stab someone |
| 16:10.09 | nevcairiel | if you must, stab Fisker |
| 16:10.18 | Shirik | I have spent 2 days troubleshooting some software, only to find out the real reason it's not working is because they didn't wire the ethernet as twisted pairs |
| 16:10.48 | nevcairiel | so..its not the software? |
| 16:10.52 | Shirik | no |
| 16:11.01 | Shirik | it's the dumbass that put a bunch of straight wires connecting two computers together |
| 16:11.16 | nevcairiel | wouldnt you like, test the network independently anyway |
| 16:11.30 | Shirik | here's the neat part |
| 16:11.34 | Shirik | pings work |
| 16:11.58 | Dagmar | You didn't notice the Tx/Rx errors on the interface? |
| 16:12.07 | nevcairiel | probably falls apart once you start to transmit any actual errors |
| 16:12.14 | nevcairiel | s/actual errors/actual data/ |
| 16:12.19 | Shirik | yup |
| 16:12.35 | nevcairiel | same thing happens when you use unshielded cables for long runs |
| 16:12.36 | Shirik | Dagmar: it's an embedded system so the things I can look at are extremely limited |
| 16:12.39 | Dagmar | The sad thing is that shittily pinned ethernet generally works *fine* until it get any sort of interference |
| 16:12.48 | Dagmar | Shirik: It's generally right there in the output of ifconfig |
| 16:12.54 | Shirik | not a linux system |
| 16:13.08 | Dagmar | Well, there's your _real_ problem, then. |
| 16:13.26 | Dagmar | If you were using an actual linux box it would have showed up |
| 16:13.30 | mikma | http://www.break.com/video/this-80s-style-game-of-thrones-intro-is-superb-2635196 |
| 16:13.40 | Dagmar | You'd have also probably known what the variable latency of pings meant |
| 16:13.42 | Fisker | haha Shirik |
| 16:13.49 | Fisker | That's normal |
| 16:14.07 | Dagmar | Retransmits take time, and you can spot bad wiring with a ping flood |
| 16:14.08 | Shirik | linux is not a DO-178 OS |
| 16:14.39 | Shirik | I would love to switch to it |
| 16:14.46 | Dagmar | Either it will handle it gracefully, or you'll get the Never Ending Ellipse as all teh collisions and errors make it impossible to keep up |
| 16:14.47 | Shirik | but it's simply not feasible |
| 16:15.50 | Shirik | but seriously, why would you wire it like that |
| 16:16.06 | Dagmar | Because not everyone knows *why* the pairs are used |
| 16:16.24 | Dagmar | ...and if you do it a few times at home where there's no interference, it's easy to assume there's maybe no longer a reason for it |
| 16:17.12 | Dagmar | ...but for future reference if you suspect shit wiring, ping -f as root from any linux box on teh same sagment should always basically just appear to output one line and then a period |
| 16:17.30 | Fisker | I also had nice one before Shirik |
| 16:17.42 | Fisker | Some file would fail to transfer to one location only |
| 16:17.45 | Fisker | and only that file |
| 16:17.51 | Fisker | But it was also the cables ;_; |
| 16:17.55 | Dagmar | If it goes "PING ammo.kung.foo (10.3.1.6) 56(84) bytes of data." and then ".................................................................................." your hardware level stuff is sucked |
| 16:17.58 | Dagmar | er fucked |
| 16:18.11 | Fisker | Had a fun one with Firefox though |
| 16:18.11 | Dagmar | Each dot represents a dropped packet. |
| 16:18.23 | Fisker | Mcafee blocks *Mozilla Firefox* |
| 16:18.34 | Dagmar | Flooding a non-shit ethernet card over a symmetric ethernet link should make any drops an utter rarity |
| 16:18.36 | zenzelezz | bleh. For some reason I can't access Acer's website from here. SSH into a box in another location and I can; but the links on their site seem pretty javascripty, so links isn't doing much help :-| |
| 16:18.42 | Fisker | unless its name is like "setup", "iexplore" or other some such nonsense |
| 16:19.27 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: www over ssh tunnel then |
| 16:21.30 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: doing it now; just a pain when I know it's not their site that's down :-) |
| 16:29.24 | Shirik | Fisker: don't you know that viruses never name themselves as common software? |
| 16:29.43 | Fisker | oh |
| 16:29.45 | Fisker | I didn't |
| 16:30.05 | Shirik | that's why virus scanners tell you the name of each file it's scanning |
| 16:30.12 | Shirik | because it's doing a string compare against the virus names |
| 16:30.14 | Shirik | to see if it matches |
| 16:30.24 | Fisker | :D |
| 16:30.48 | zenzelezz | personally I name all my viruses virus.exe, makes people curious |
| 16:38.20 | Shirik | you know what would be fin |
| 16:38.21 | Shirik | fun |
| 16:38.31 | Shirik | put the EICAR text in a string in all of your programs |
| 16:38.35 | Shirik | just to confuse the hell out of people |
| 16:38.50 | Shirik | can't test to see if it's a virus if it's always detected as a test virus |
| 16:39.22 | Fisker | You're fun Shirik |
| 16:42.29 | Ackis | Shirik: I was playing around with EICAR once and after around 30 detections of it, the IT helpdesk gives me a call :D |
| 16:42.52 | Shirik | my IT department would just take the computer without saying why and wipe it |
| 16:43.20 | Shirik | one time they did that because a teammate's computer was emitting multicast traffic |
| 16:43.47 | Shirik | when we found out why they decided to wipe it, we asked them if they were aware that our simulator communicates via multicast |
| 16:44.03 | Shirik | it's too bad we don't get to charge to IT's budget |
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| 16:44.50 | zenzelezz | we used to slip EICAR on each other at LAN parties |
| 16:45.02 | zenzelezz | especially fun when someone's computer blue screened. Good old virus programs |
| 16:45.41 | Ackis | I was in IS back then, and I imagine if IT took a PC w/o saying why shit would hit the fan here |
| 16:46.03 | zenzelezz | IS? |
| 16:46.56 | Ackis | information security |
| 16:47.34 | Fisker | I had big drama at work today |
| 16:47.37 | Fisker | i lol'd irl |
| 16:48.52 | zenzelezz | orly? |
| 16:49.14 | Fisker | yep |
| 16:49.21 | zenzelezz | do tell |
| 16:49.31 | Fisker | They wanted marketing shit in their signature |
| 16:49.38 | Fisker | I removed it earlier this week |
| 16:49.46 | Fisker | Apparently big dogs didn't like it |
| 16:49.51 | Fisker | so someone got in deep shit |
| 16:50.14 | Fisker | Told me to remove it on June 20th :3 |
| 16:50.16 | zenzelezz | they didn't like you removing it, or they didn't like having it in the signature? |
| 16:50.24 | Fisker | They didn't like me removing it |
| 16:50.29 | Fisker | But they told me to remove it june 20th earlier |
| 16:50.44 | Fisker | So basically they didn't like me remembering what my assignment were and completing it |
| 16:50.53 | zenzelezz | dude, you're European; it's 20th (of) June |
| 16:51.10 | Shirik | hey |
| 16:51.19 | Shirik | even I write dd MMM yyyy |
| 16:51.24 | Fisker | maybe zenzelezz |
| 16:51.36 | Fisker | I prefer dd-mm-yyyy |
| 16:51.39 | zenzelezz | Shirik: then you're a good example of how it should be =) |
| 16:52.11 | zenzelezz | Fisker: yes, but you didn't say 06.20 |
| 16:52.24 | Fisker | Nope |
| 16:52.26 | Fisker | I think that's weird |
| 16:52.43 | zenzelezz | so is June 20th \o/ |
| 16:53.10 | Fisker | you're weird |
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| 16:53.56 | zenzelezz | Fisker: true |
| 17:23.16 | karl_w_w | http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/298ep2/the_international_2014_prize_pool_is_now_over_10/ it happened Shirik |
| 17:23.22 | karl_w_w | $10m |
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| 17:48.34 | Primer | Anyone know when WoD developer beta keys will happen? |
| 17:48.51 | Primer | I really only want to make sure my addons work. I've never liked playing betas. |
| 17:59.56 | Dashkal | Well it doesn't look like the release is anytime near, so I wouldn't stress too far on that front. |
| 18:06.56 | kd3|hate`net | not any time soon - they've got /run (and now /dump) disabled still |
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| 18:16.47 | Amarande | and hopefully little or no raid content is exposed to beta, or the mechanics are changed more radically for release |
| 18:17.06 | Amarande | I still think this to be a much more major negative factor on WoW than most people think :S |
| 18:17.25 | Dashkal | Certainly doesn't hurt my enjoyment of the game |
| 18:17.31 | Dashkal | People who are not me do things I did not do. |
| 18:17.40 | kd3 | ^ |
| 18:18.12 | Fisker | Only hurts the enjoyment of the game on the people whose enjoyment of the game derives from others disenjoyment of the game |
| 18:19.25 | Amarande | Fisker: mostly I think too much raid exposure in beta contributes to the release content becoming played out sooner than otherwise |
| 18:19.39 | Unkle | Wait - did Fisker actually say something that makes him sound ... human? |
| 18:19.40 | Amarande | because a lot of the strategies are hashed out already during beta, leaving much less in the way of new things for release players |
| 18:19.59 | Amarande | (which I tend to then think is a major contributor to why patches and expansions have to zip by so quickly compared to days of yore) |
| 18:22.12 | Dashkal | Heh, in days of yore I simply didn't raid. Now it's an option to me. So the new order is benifical to my enjoyment of the game. |
| 18:22.15 | Fisker | if anything that is more a problem with the fact that normal is balanced differently than it used to be, especially since there can be a somewhat of a wall for players clearing normal and then moving on to heroic, though I don't know how that plays out in the new system |
| 18:22.40 | nevcairiel | Primer: for addon stuff, worst case they have a open PTR for 6.0 (without the expansion content), that should be plenty for most addons |
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| 18:26.00 | Primer | cool |
| 18:26.58 | nevcairiel | i should say "they will have" closer to the release |
| 18:27.22 | nevcairiel | right now the UI is still in flux anyway |
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| 18:39.33 | Amarande | Fisker: heh, I thought the wall was when moving on to Normal :) |
| 18:39.46 | Amarande | from what I have understood anyway, it seems like Normal has grown substantially more difficult since they introduced LFR |
| 18:40.04 | Amarande | sometimes I even get the impression that it's on par with Heroic from some previous expansions (especially Wrath) |
| 18:40.29 | Amarande | kd3, were you the one who was constantly having problems with Garalon back in the early days of MoP? :) |
| 18:40.37 | Amarande | I remember one of the folks in wowhead talking a lot about that fight |
| 18:40.46 | nevcairiel | normal is being renamed to heroic in WoD, in case you didn't pay attention |
| 18:41.00 | nevcairiel | they have a new easier normal, which right now is called Flex |
| 18:41.11 | Amarande | nevcairiel: ah, that I missed |
| 18:41.25 | Amarande | mainly because I thought Flex was the player count mechanic, not a difficulty per se in WoD |
| 18:41.37 | Amarande | since I do recall reading that every mode except Mythic has flex player count now |
| 18:41.43 | nevcairiel | thats right |
| 18:41.59 | nevcairiel | but in addition to myhic, they will also continue to have normal and heroic |
| 18:42.06 | nevcairiel | and Normal is what is Flex in SoO |
| 18:42.11 | nevcairiel | and old normal becomes Heroic |
| 18:42.16 | nevcairiel | in terms of difficulty |
| 18:42.24 | Amarande | ah |
| 18:42.32 | Amarande | yay difficulty renames :) |
| 18:42.46 | Amarande | still remember my brother destroying Playstation controllers over that back when DMC3 hit the states, LOL |
| 18:43.40 | Amarande | (apparently, they took the Japanese Hard (or was it Extra Hard? LOL) mode and that became Normal stateside ... and my brother was legendary for smashing PS2 controllers when the going got tough LOL) |
| 18:44.17 | Amarande | mind you, some of those console fights were just sadistic anyway (Demyx, anyone? :P) |
| 18:46.39 | Amarande | but yeah, old normal becoming heroic sounds about right :) |
| 18:47.02 | Amarande | since that's the general feeling I got about MoP Normal on the whole, that it roughly equated with Heroic from Wrath at least (I'm not at all familiar with Cata Heroics) |
| 18:47.30 | nevcairiel | i liked the normal difficulty in MoP, its was OK for semi-casuals, you still needed a bit of skill and dedication to do it, but not the 5 days a week hardcore stuff you needed for actual heroics |
| 18:47.34 | nevcairiel | flex was just too easy |
| 18:47.39 | Amarande | BTW, while we're on the word 'heroic' ... regarding the proving grounds rule for heroics, I'm assuming that applies solely to level 100 heroics? |
| 18:47.45 | Dagmar | Too right |
| 18:48.06 | Dagmar | Seeing a lone mage just sort of frolic over and hip check the Purple Beach Ball of Doom just about killed me |
| 18:48.11 | nevcairiel | which other heroics would still be there? anyone going to run 90 heroics? :p |
| 18:48.26 | Amarande | nevcairiel: heh, probably not |
| 18:48.33 | Amarande | I'm not even sure there are any 90 heroics that even offer a mount |
| 18:48.57 | nevcairiel | low level heroic dungeons you're going to solo anyway, so no LFD tool |
| 18:49.03 | nevcairiel | if you want a mount that is |
| 18:49.05 | Amarande | unlike say the transition from wrath to cata where there were still a couple of old heroics that had a mount that not everyone had acquired on every character (this being prior IIRC to account wide mounts) |
| 18:49.34 | Amarande | well, that and the transition from wrath to cata where having some 80 instance gear made the initial stages of cata content that much easier |
| 18:50.01 | Amarande | I still remember how hellish it was diving into Vashj'ir for the first time on my mage, who had not done any instance content in Northrend, heh |
| 18:50.26 | Amarande | till you start getting some quest gear upgrades, you feel like every mob is elite :P |
| 18:51.22 | Amarande | I'm guessing Stat Squish will make that jump of hell a thing of the past though |
| 18:52.21 | Amarande | and it'll go more smoothly, like a certain Middle Earth based game that Torhal hates seeing me mention :) |
| 18:54.00 | Amarande | speaking of Wrath content, I wonder how Fury of Frostmourne will pan out in the new expansion too :D |
| 18:54.30 | Amarande | like, how that whole "you're all dead" RP is going to work out when we're ... not actually all dead ... heh |
| 18:56.01 | Amarande | (with hit point trends as they are, we're going to have more than 800k or equivalent HP *easily* at 100, probably even in quest greens) |
| 18:57.33 | Amarande | unless maybe they're going to just change it to "instant death" mechanic to compensate, though I don't know how closely they'll go over old raid mechanics |
| 18:58.03 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/3jcDJ2a |
| 18:58.12 | kd3 | people are *already* surviving that attack. blizz doesn't care |
| 18:58.39 | Amarande | kd3: does it cause any strange effects on the cutscene? :) |
| 18:58.44 | kd3 | yes |
| 18:59.05 | Amarande | also does the encounter completely go haywire if you actually kill LK during the scene, or do you get loot as normal? |
| 18:59.14 | kd3 | he stops at 1 hp |
| 18:59.24 | Amarande | ah, they learned their lesson from Kael'thas then |
| 18:59.38 | Amarande | I still remember how fun it was to have to reset KT when we got too trigger happy with high levels :) |
| 19:01.15 | Amarande | come to think of it they should include at least a few encounters like that in WoD, where there's a death and rez scene |
| 19:01.34 | Amarande | it just occurred to me that might be a decent way to subtly implement some degree of gold sinking :) |
| 19:02.21 | Amarande | (because such an encounter guarantees the whole raid is paying at least one repair bill per attempt regardless of outcome, and if you ensure - such as the difficulty scheme for WoD seems to be geared towards - that the raid is as accessible as possible, that's a *lot* of forced repair bills :) |
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| 19:23.24 | kullervo | wtf is the purple beach ball of doom |
| 19:24.06 | kullervo | the only thing I can think of is the warlord zon'ozz orb |
| 19:26.54 | foxlit | kd3|hate`net: [18:06:54] not any time soon - they've got /run (and now /dump) disabled still << Ha! |
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| 19:33.07 | Fisker | Don't do it foxlit |
| 19:34.43 | foxlit | dunno what kind of Ha! you're thinking of, Fisker, but it's probably not the right one. |
| 19:35.06 | Fisker | It definitely is |
| 19:35.24 | Fisker | Hi |
| 19:37.29 | Simca_ | Fisker: Hi is one letter off Ha |
| 19:37.37 | Simca_ | these are dangerous waters in which you tread Fisker |
| 19:38.44 | Fisker | Doesn't matter anyway |
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| 19:44.06 | Fisker | You can't stop me Simca_ |
| 19:44.25 | Simca_ | uses kittens on Fisker |
| 19:47.50 | Fisker | Aww kitty |
| 19:50.56 | Fisker | Enough |
| 19:51.07 | Fisker | I'll stop foxlit |
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| 19:51.31 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/9sERKi6.gif |
| 19:55.45 | Unkle | Stanzilla: That must be a scene from the new 300 Kitteh Edition |
| 19:55.57 | Stanzilla | that would be a cool movie |
| 19:56.12 | Unkle | Madness? THIS IS KITTEH! |
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| 20:05.58 | relaxok | anybody know much about what Cooldown is in XML? |
| 20:06.01 | relaxok | no site has it documented |
| 20:06.05 | relaxok | is it just deriving from Frame? |
| 20:06.18 | nevcairiel | its the cooldown model |
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| 20:07.33 | nevcairiel | its directly derived from Frame |
| 20:07.43 | Simca__ | i can get you a specific list of what it derives/has independently if you want |
| 20:07.56 | nevcairiel | its on wowpedia really |
| 20:08.08 | nevcairiel | or here http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets_hierarchy |
| 20:08.29 | Simca__ | wowpedia (and wowprogramming to a lesser extent) are missing many widget API functions |
| 20:08.39 | Simca__ | I found that out the hard way after coding around what I saw |
| 20:08.44 | Simca__ | then doing a dump of functions |
| 20:09.16 | Simca__ | PlayerModel in particular is missing basically anything to do Cameras and Camera positioning |
| 20:14.59 | foxlit | tangentially-related trivia: before we gave up, the version label on [[Widget API]] read "This list is current as of patch 0.11.0-5428 (11100)." |
| 20:16.35 | foxlit | (and 3.2.2 was the live patch at the time) |
| 20:27.09 | Simca__ | Primer: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13272037213#8 the answer to your question |
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| 20:30.48 | foxlit | On some level, the "wait until we've written all our code before you can run yours" policy is annoying; it ends up producing things like the PetJournal API which might almost get to a decent state by the time the expansion is over. |
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| 20:39.44 | Simca__ | on the other hand, the majority of posters seem to blame Blizzard even when their error message specifically says 'Attempt to access nil table index in KittenAddon73' |
| 20:40.02 | Simca__ | because reading a full sentence requires PHD-level intelligence |
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| 20:40.39 | foxlit | That happens to more people than just users; see every "why doesn't my addon work" thread ever. |
| 20:41.50 | Amarande | Simca__: and those posters in turn tend to cause woe and gnashing of teeth for more savvy players, sadly |
| 20:41.58 | Amarande | because whenever there really IS a bug in the game client, or some other underlying issue |
| 20:42.14 | Simca__ | PLEASE DELETE YOUR WTF FOLDER |
| 20:42.15 | Amarande | the first thing Blizzard tells you to do is take your beautiful customised UI and shove it before they'll consider anything |
| 20:42.23 | Amarande | even if it's something that is obviously not at all tied to addons :p |
| 20:42.49 | Amarande | and do they have any idea HOW bloody long it takes to recustomise the UI (hopefully you backed it up, but still ...)? |
| 20:43.13 | Amarande | especially if you have multiple characters and those annoying addons (c'mon, everyone has some) that neither understand Profiles nor use global settings, thus have to be redone for every character? heh |
| 20:43.40 | Simca__ | heck, blizzard's defaults are part of that issue |
| 20:43.51 | Simca__ | since 'Auto Loot' has to be set on every single character afterwards |
| 20:43.53 | foxlit | speaking of, that should be an addon. |
| 20:43.58 | Amarande | Usually when I resubscribe to WoW the entire first evening consists of getting my UI back in gear |
| 20:44.04 | Amarande | Simca__: yeah that too |
| 20:44.22 | Amarande | I'll resubscribe, reinstall, and be bewildered when the loot window pops up and stays up, like, don't I autoloot? :) |
| 20:44.33 | foxlit | Log in, ask "is this the character you've customized your blizzard settings properly on?" yes —> apply those settings to every character not previously encountered on login. |
| 20:44.36 | Amarande | Mind you, I'd LOVE to see them do what LOTRO did with loot |
| 20:44.43 | Amarande | that would make oh so many of us happy. especially us ranged. :) |
| 20:45.05 | kd3|hate`net | wtb a wildstar 'hit v to vacuum all loot' button |
| 20:45.22 | Amarande | Turbine basically did away with click to loot altogether |
| 20:45.33 | Amarande | The moment a mob dies in LOTRO, you automatically receive the loot into your inventory |
| 20:45.53 | foxlit | Does that cut down on the amount of pig entrails and other gray-quality junk they're able to throw at you? |
| 20:45.56 | Amarande | pretty sure the only time you need to actually click the corpse is if you couldn't pick up the loot initially for some reason (eg. your inventory is full) or maybe in some group situations (I'm not sure how it handles group loot) |
| 20:46.33 | Amarande | it's especially nice when you're ranged, since you don't have to move to the corpse (and risk pulling more mobs, though LOTRO mobs also tend to be much less densely packed than WoW mobs are) to loot |
| 20:46.36 | kd3 | kinda/not really. you still get crap, but it's not annoying. there's no prompt, just a 'here's a list of what you just looted' display in chat |
| 20:47.01 | Amarande | does away with all those irritating "mob died on the cliff side and you can't get close to it for long enough to loot it before you fall" bits, too |
| 20:47.13 | foxlit | GW2 does the same thing, I think, but that has significantly less non-loot loot. |
| 20:47.25 | Amarande | kd3: also there's very little true vendor trash in LOTRO |
| 20:47.40 | Amarande | most of the things that would be grey items in WoW are usable for Daily Tasks |
| 20:47.45 | foxlit | The problem with just adding that to wow is that WoW's vendor trash will fill your bags annoyingly fast. |
| 20:48.03 | Amarande | although I usually just vend those too, I only bother with Daily Tasks if I happen to actually have enough of a required item on hand at the time I'm at the task board |
| 20:48.06 | kd3 | yah, there's nowhere near as much vendor trash in ws. |
| 20:49.42 | Amarande | foxlit: actually, it's perhaps worse in LOTRO, due to how bags work there |
| 20:50.14 | Amarande | in WoW you start with a 16 slot bag and fairly soon (depending on AH prices) can get 16-20 slot bags for your other four slots |
| 20:50.55 | Amarande | in LOTRO you start with just a 15 slot bag, and all bags are fixed 15 slot size (there are no crafted bags there), plus in order to get more than 3 bags you need to subscribe or pay, and to get more than 5 bags (6 is the present cap) you have to pay $10 for the final bag |
| 20:51.28 | Amarande | (well, 995 Turbine Points, which normally equate to about $10 if you buy the largest normally available point package and buy the bag when it's not on sale) |
| 20:52.16 | Amarande | Turbine's pretty damned murky when it comes to the actual costs of the cash shop, because there's so many opportunities to get a price break (even more now that the Mithril Coins exist) |
| 20:52.25 | Amarande | (though you can't buy bags with mithril) |
| 20:52.34 | kullervo | in wow you have a vendor everywhere in outdoor areas |
| 20:53.25 | Amarande | yeah, that too, I at least tend to think the vendor trek is longer in LOTRO |
| 20:53.50 | foxlit | doesn't particularly matter, it's still annoying to run out of bag space while staring at a loot screen containing something you want. |
| 20:54.10 | Amarande | especially given the generally slower movement speeds (WoW you can potentially quadruple your base movement speed via mount, LOTRO mounts cap out at 68% normally and I think 75% with a cash shop perk) |
| 20:54.20 | foxlit | Then the game becomes "find item stack of least value in your bags that you can discard" |
| 20:54.30 | Amarande | yeah, that's been a regular occurrence for me on Area 52 so far |
| 20:54.43 | foxlit | and "figure out whether you want to head back to town now, or if you have enough semi-free bag slots left to last you through the next ~20 kills in this quest area" |
| 20:54.56 | Amarande | since I decided to take tailoring and enchanting (so not many surplus gathered mats to auction for spare cash) |
| 20:54.57 | foxlit | neither of which is particularly fun. |
| 20:55.14 | Amarande | so I'm basically still using what bags I can get in the field because I don't have much gold yet on Ardathia |
| 20:55.50 | Amarande | thankfully there's a LDB addon I use that makes it easy to spot the cheapest stack, heh |
| 20:56.28 | foxlit | (a) now I have to install an addon (b) it's a multi-objective problem, and it's annoyingly tricky to solve properly. |
| 20:56.36 | Amarande | with shift-click to no-prompt discard it |
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| 20:57.20 | foxlit | (do I discard this 1 item that stacks to 100, and which I'm likely to find more of in the immediate future, or that 20-stack of things I'll not?) |
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| 21:05.09 | Silencer | poke Bibi |
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| 21:15.56 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/hs.jpg << awkward. |
| 21:18.04 | Simca__ | foxlit i herd u liek antialiasing: http://i.imgur.com/bIOYf3R.png |
| 21:20.40 | Primer | Simca__: So in other words, this is still alpha. Got it! |
| 21:21.00 | Primer | An alpha called beta... |
| 21:21.15 | Maldivia | Primer: that's CMAA for you :) |
| 21:21.50 | Primer | looks up that acronym |
| 21:22.03 | kullervo | that resolution is an unholy abomination |
| 21:22.51 | Maldivia | kullervo: it's windowed mode, I didn't need a larger size to show the issue .) |
| 21:22.59 | Primer | I got Club Managers Association of America |
| 21:23.04 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/qtt-hs.jpg << maybe you'll like this better? |
| 21:23.07 | Primer | Council of Mexican America Administrators |
| 21:23.09 | Maldivia | Primer: Conservative Morphological Anti-Aliasing |
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| 21:23.41 | foxlit | straw poll: what do you play? |
| 21:23.45 | kullervo | also, you get blurry text with CSAA as well but it doesn't look THAT bad |
| 21:24.22 | Primer | Maldivia: now I'm really lost...what does that have to do with WoD being called a beta when it's not feature-complete (as was my implication)? |
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| 21:24.48 | Maldivia | kullervo: the problem is if you resize the window, it doens't adjust to the new resolution |
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| 21:25.05 | Maldivia | Primer: because the image Simca linked shows an issue with CMAA |
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| 21:25.47 | Primer | (1:26:58 PM) Simca__: Primer: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13272037213#8 the answer to your question |
| 21:26.19 | Primer | sorry if my reference wasn't clear |
| 21:26.53 | Maldivia | ah, I just assumed you were referring to the image simca linked two minutes before what you wrote .) |
| 21:28.19 | Primer | I see now how that could have happened |
| 21:31.08 | foxlit | that deck also had Rag and Cairne. |
| 21:31.57 | foxlit | (and Velen.) |
| 21:34.10 | Primer | One of the problems of being a jack of all trades and master of none: coding by trial and error |
| 21:34.12 | Primer | Right now I'm working on fixing a firefox addon I wrote for work 3 years ago, when Firefox was at 3.x |
| 21:34.13 | Primer | before all browsers adopted crazy versioning schemes |
| 21:36.29 | Maldivia | psh, chrome is only on, what, 37? |
| 21:37.03 | foxlit | it's extremely sane versioning schemes :P |
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| 21:37.30 | foxlit | For insane, see Carbonite. (hi Rythal!) |
| 21:42.46 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2pJM1xAALM kerbal failures are fun to watch |
| 21:57.20 | Kesava | (this ruckus about the faction hubs not being karabor/bladespire is very silly) |
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| 22:48.19 | Amarande | foxlit: it's no fun for stability-oriented FOSS distros, heh |
| 22:48.52 | Amarande | pretty sure there are several Linux and BSD distros that still haven't been able to adopt Chromium into stable because it keeps changing too fast for them to get a handle on it |
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| 22:50.01 | Amarande | by the time you thoroughly vet a given version, four new versions are out! or so it seems. then when you have a policy like debian's or I think also freebsd's about stability, you have to sift through all the new versions for what needs to enter the stable version! |
| 22:50.19 | Amarande | by the time you do that, four new versions are out! it never ends, since basically every Chrome/ium and Firefox update is a full version bump now, too |
| 22:54.17 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/uws-hs.jpg << PvP is the best matchup ever. |
| 22:55.01 | foxlit | Amarande: you're arguying against the speed of development, not a versioning scheme. |
| 22:55.17 | foxlit | None of those problems would go away if we called Chrome 1.2.36 instead of 36.0. |
| 23:00.30 | Amarande | foxlit: still, there was a day once when versions actually told you how major an update was |
| 23:00.39 | Amarande | whereas now browsers (except IE) seem to just bump the major every update |
| 23:01.09 | Amarande | I'm guessing it's to impress on the less computer savvy that every update is a major update for security's sake? *shrug* |
| 23:03.14 | foxlit | (a) those browsers autoupdate, so there's no need to impress anything upon anyone |
| 23:03.34 | foxlit | (b) I'm reasonably certain that each and every version-bumping release includes something beyond "bug fixes" |
| 23:05.02 | Amarande | if it does, I haven't seen it, unless most of the feature updates are fairly obscure |
| 23:05.17 | Amarande | actually the most recent thing of note I saw with chrome was the *removal* of a feature, when they retired NPAPI |
| 23:06.13 | Amarande | kind of a sad day for linux, from what I can see :( or at least it would be if I actually really cared about java on the web |
| 23:06.55 | Amarande | I kinda stopped caring about that quite a while ago when it seemed every java update had critical hole after critical hole :p |
| 23:07.04 | Amarande | so I haven't even installed it recently, heh |
| 23:07.26 | Amarande | except on linux where an open source jre is often part of the base system, anyway |
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| 23:44.35 | Shirik | http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/you-have-higher-chance-being-bitten-uruguay%E2%80%99s-luis-suarez-shark |
| 23:50.08 | foxlit | ~failrik |
| 23:50.08 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 23:50.17 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:51.33 | foxlit | the original source of that story at least has a more reasonable update. |
