| 00:14.18 | Gnarfoz | oh man, I just discovered the genius that is BBC1's Innuendo Bingo xD |
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| 01:00.07 | Sintacks | what the fuck curse client.... using fucking 400kbps of bandwidth doing nothing. |
| 01:02.28 | TC-Work | It's doing something |
| 01:02.33 | TC-Work | Pissing you off at least. |
| 01:03.17 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
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| 01:49.06 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: its great isnt it |
| 01:49.48 | nevcairiel | i've been listening to bbc radio a lot at home, but its even funnier watching the video clips on youtube :p |
| 02:04.56 | Wobin | I'm sad that the aluminium tie is technically a clip on |
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| 02:27.55 | Kemayo | Pretty dead on 3 months of not being on here, entirely because I was too lazy to go dig up an HDMI cable to get my raspberry pi to fsck itself. |
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| 02:33.34 | nevcairiel | ~lazyness |
| 02:33.45 | nevcairiel | ~ping |
| 02:33.45 | purl | ~pong |
| 02:39.48 | karl_w_w | arrowmaster is gone home any good? |
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| 02:44.08 | kd3|hate`net | grar, damn you, battle.net app, stop "Waiting on another installation or update..." |
| 02:52.01 | Dagmar | Looks like some kind of virus |
| 02:52.07 | Dagmar | I've apparently gotten it, too |
| 02:52.16 | kd3 | uh oh |
| 02:52.29 | Dagmar | I clicked hte restart button. |
| 02:52.35 | Dagmar | Seems like it's doing something now. :) |
| 03:02.16 | kd3 | finally got it to go... blah at a gig download |
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| 03:11.03 | Neffi_ | Bored and feel like watching some gameplay videos of Wildstar. Anybody know a good Twitch stream or Youtube channel for it? |
| 03:27.29 | kd3 | oh, boo, they disabled /dump too? |
| 03:57.10 | Stanzilla | neat you can now have different graphic settings in a raid https://cdn.mediacru.sh/n3sUIYJY1aRy.jpg |
| 03:58.13 | Gethe | yeah saw that while reading through the ui diff |
| 04:09.13 | kd3 | oof. neither database has scraped the quests yet |
| 04:10.49 | Fisker | I'm so tired kd3 |
| 04:10.51 | Fisker | so tiiiiiiiiired |
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| 05:03.28 | kd3 | ahaha, some random shadowmoon ritualist goes "My life for Ner'zhul" |
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| 05:24.29 | pompy | anyone with verizon not have service right now? :o |
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| 05:52.56 | relaxok | can somebody look at CharacterMicroButton for a sec? |
| 05:53.05 | relaxok | its parent is UIParent and it anchors to BOTTOMLEFT |
| 05:53.11 | relaxok | with an offset of x=548 |
| 05:53.24 | relaxok | doesnt that mean it's 548 pixels from the left of the screen no matter what resolution? |
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| 05:58.17 | Iriel | 548 _logical_ pixels |
| 05:58.27 | relaxok | i didnt know there was such a thing |
| 05:58.45 | Iriel | The game always normalizes the units to 1024 pixels high |
| 05:58.59 | Iriel | Then you get scaling on top of that |
| 05:58.59 | relaxok | high? |
| 05:59.08 | relaxok | 1024 by what? |
| 05:59.28 | relaxok | or in both directions? |
| 06:00.14 | Iriel | Sorry, I was getting my axes wrong |
| 06:00.34 | relaxok | all the offsets are based on 1024x768? |
| 06:00.34 | Iriel | The screen is always 768 pixels high (1024 x 768 being the “standard” resolution) |
| 06:00.38 | relaxok | ahhh |
| 06:00.42 | Iriel | The width will be whatever the monitor ends up being |
| 06:00.55 | relaxok | okay but im talking about width here.. an x offset of 548 |
| 06:00.59 | relaxok | is that also scaled based on 1024 width? |
| 06:01.13 | Iriel | so if your screen was 2000 x 1000, wow would have a logical size of 1536 x 768 |
| 06:01.36 | relaxok | so that encompasses anchor offsets, does it also deal with sizes? |
| 06:01.54 | Iriel | EVERYTHING in wow is scaled logical units |
| 06:01.56 | relaxok | this is going to be a bit tricky |
| 06:01.58 | Iriel | there is no such thing as ‘pixel” really |
| 06:02.08 | Iriel | you get actual pixels when the scales line up |
| 06:02.33 | Iriel | In a way it makes things easier because you already have to deal with the inherited scale model |
| 06:02.50 | Iriel | so just starting at a normalized size instead of the monitor size gets you in the right mindset 8-) |
| 06:04.21 | Iriel | Bear in mind that if you have an anchor between frames of DIFFERENT scales, the anchor size is relative to the frame being anchored, not the relative one. |
| 06:04.37 | Iriel | (Well, that’s always true, it’ sjust an irrelevant distinction if they have the same effective scale) |
| 06:05.43 | Iriel | sleeps. |
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| 07:05.23 | Gethe | relaxok: http://wowpedia.org/UI_coordinates |
| 07:18.22 | Shirik | tbh this isn't "tricky" relaxok |
| 07:18.29 | Shirik | it makes everything a lot more sane |
| 07:18.42 | Shirik | if you had to figure out what every user's screen size was in your addon it would be a mess |
| 07:18.54 | Shirik | and then they resize it and your UI positioning is completely wrong |
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| 08:05.38 | Gethe | is there any info on how the new ui atlases work? |
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| 08:47.19 | znf | Anyone has 0.02 BTC for sale? |
| 08:57.22 | Workfoz | sure, from my mtgox account |
| 08:57.25 | Workfoz | coughs |
| 09:04.25 | Mr_Rabies | i've got point oh two cosbycoins |
| 09:05.13 | karl_w_w | hmm do i want to buy space engineers |
| 09:05.33 | znf | I can't really buy from a popular exchange, as most of them require wire transfers, would be silly to pay 20€ in fees for a 10€ transfer... |
| 09:07.49 | karl_w_w | does anyone want to go in on a space engineers 4 pack? |
| 09:20.09 | Mr_Rabies | i'll go in on a 4 pack of space cosbys if that ever goes on sale |
| 09:20.32 | Mr_Rabies | i've been watching house of cosbys again, forgive me |
| 09:36.02 | Workfoz | wire transfer fees? :\ |
| 09:36.06 | Workfoz | 3rd world country indeed |
| 09:36.21 | Workfoz | wait you're in the EU, can't you SEPA the shit out of that |
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| 09:43.29 | karl_w_w | most archaic technologies have an associated cost, wire transfers included :P |
| 09:44.04 | znf | Workfoz, what's a sepa? |
| 09:44.11 | karl_w_w | colour film has been cheaper than black and white for a long time |
| 09:44.46 | Workfoz | karl_w_w: uhhh, not in my lifetime |
| 09:44.55 | Workfoz | but you're not from here :D |
| 09:45.04 | znf | Not sure, tbh. |
| 09:45.05 | Workfoz | znf: Single Euro Payments Area |
| 09:45.25 | Workfoz | i.e. unified wire transfers between European countries |
| 09:45.31 | Workfoz | Romania not in it, yet? |
| 09:45.33 | Workfoz | no idea |
| 09:45.35 | znf | wiki says it is |
| 09:46.23 | Workfoz | should make it quick and cheap (if not free?), as long as the target bank is also in |
| 09:46.23 | znf | So what does SEPA imply? No fees when making euro payments? |
| 09:46.25 | znf | Or? |
| 09:46.25 | Workfoz | (I'm not going to assume you were going to wire money to Japan) |
| 09:46.32 | karl_w_w | Workfoz, I think the US has more important advancements to make than replacing wire transfers, such as a sane system of weights and measures ;) |
| 09:46.44 | znf | I would preferably like to pay with paypal :P |
| 09:46.54 | Workfoz | karl_w_w: they mail cheques, right? I guess that works for now! |
| 09:47.46 | znf | I have 2 deliveries incoming today, shoes and N5 |
| 09:47.52 | znf | It's 1pm almost |
| 09:48.10 | znf | I want to take a shower... but I bet that as soon as I step into the bathroom, the delivery guys show up >_< |
| 09:48.27 | Workfoz | he was there already |
| 09:48.28 | Workfoz | didn't ring |
| 09:48.32 | znf | they call :P |
| 09:48.34 | Workfoz | and will say "nobody was home" |
| 09:49.00 | Workfoz | meh, I must have fucked something up, Piwik not working on new domain >_> |
| 09:49.28 | znf | I was thinking of installing that |
| 09:49.29 | znf | but me lazy |
| 09:51.30 | znf | Workfoz, does piwik work in some way with varnish? |
| 09:51.41 | Workfoz | I have no idea |
| 09:51.47 | Workfoz | what kind of integration are you thinking of |
| 09:52.03 | Workfoz | it's quite likely not aware of anything around itself |
| 09:58.16 | znf | like, if it looks at server logs, all it will see will be its own local IP :P |
| 09:59.12 | znf | oh, nevermind, found some info, google finally worked for 2 queries :P |
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| 10:14.38 | znf | ofc, I stepped into the bathroom |
| 10:14.39 | znf | phone rang |
| 10:22.03 | Mr_Rabies | ive actually used that technique to get something over with that i know's gonna happen |
| 10:22.09 | Mr_Rabies | scientifically i know that's not possible |
| 10:23.11 | Mr_Rabies | like, my food at a fast food joint will be ready the second i sit down |
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| 10:58.29 | plaw | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrDP5XzCEAAtneN.jpg |
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| 11:30.49 | karl_w_w | Mr_Rabies, what fast food joint would leave time for sitting but doesn't allow you to phone ahead? |
| 12:20.26 | nevcairiel | kd3: i'm confused, now i have two diffs for 18443 alpha, did they re-use the same build version for the new alpha build? |
| 12:20.52 | nevcairiel | although the second diff is much larger |
| 12:21.15 | nevcairiel | hm no, alpha build online is 18471 |
| 12:21.18 | nevcairiel | i think you screwed up |
| 12:21.18 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 12:52.15 | Workfoz | znf: it doesn't typically look at server logs, you typically integrate it into the page like GA |
| 12:52.25 | Workfoz | znf: (but you can feed it logs if you so desire) |
| 12:52.43 | znf | Ah, I thought the logs part is not optional |
| 12:52.49 | Workfoz | znf: and of course you can tell it to interpret some http header as the remote IP |
| 12:52.56 | znf | yeah, noticed |
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| 16:10.05 | kd3 | yah, I put in the wrong number, the latest email is from 18471 |
| 16:16.42 | Ackis | ~fail kd3 |
| 16:16.42 | purl | kd3, you Fail! |
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| 16:28.21 | nevcairiel | kd3: the diff smells like its against the wrong version too |
| 16:28.34 | nevcairiel | not 18443->18471 |
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| 17:21.31 | pompy | Shirik: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/26/world/use-of-drones-for-killings-risks-a-war-without-end-panel-concludes-in-report.html?_r=0 |
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| 17:49.51 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: could always check https://github.com/tomrus88/BlizzardInterfaceCode/commit/e2c83f994823b5e49483a9d5a7c0426ec516a651 |
| 17:52.40 | foxlit | "Simple Warden implementation for MaNGoS" << Some people lead interesting lives. |
| 17:55.59 | Stanzilla | just why |
| 18:05.09 | foxlit | maybe the client expects something to exist by this point, and they needed a dummy plug? |
| 18:17.32 | Simca | maybe |
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| 19:45.36 | zenzelezz | that moment when you realize you did in fact not order an mSATA drive, just a regular SATA |
| 19:45.44 | Fisker | lol |
| 19:48.10 | zenzelezz | I do in fact not feel very bright right now |
| 19:50.03 | zenzelezz | on the up side, I now have an SSD to put the OS on when I reinstall my linux box |
| 20:04.49 | Esamynn|work | whoops! |
| 20:05.39 | Amarande | heh |
| 20:05.47 | Amarande | also, B85 seems to be much more reliable than Z87 |
| 20:07.30 | Amarande | zenzelezz: on the fail side, I now have a bunch of extra mobo accessories and a ROG mobo I can't warranty |
| 20:09.28 | Neffi | Amarande: The ROG board is the one with no sound driver in Linux? |
| 20:09.58 | Amarande | Neffi: apparently there is some Linux support, but there was a weird hardware issue with the sound chip |
| 20:10.04 | Amarande | it's a common problem with Maximus boards for some reason |
| 20:10.16 | Amarande | The Realtek chip glitches out and starts thinking the green output is an input |
| 20:10.30 | Amarande | so you don't get any rear sound anymore because the DDR is mixed up and won't send data out an in |
| 20:10.37 | Neffi | That's kinda good to know. I was looking at the VI Impact for my next build (well, I guess the VII Impact now) |
| 20:10.52 | Amarande | heh, I went with a $75 ASRock B85 board as my replacement |
| 20:10.56 | Amarande | it's working like a charm so far :) |
| 20:11.47 | Amarande | the weird thing is that overriding that glitch is apparently pretty much ONLY possible in Linux, go figure |
| 20:12.09 | Amarande | you can manually flip the DDR bit with hda-verb, but that goes away on reboot so you can't fix it for Windows |
| 20:14.04 | Amarande | yeah, the ROG boards are not worth the $200 |
| 20:14.44 | Amarande | tbh, I'm not sure I'd want to buy any more ASUS boards for Intel ever, heh |
| 20:14.58 | Amarande | given that my budget B75 ASUS board I had a while back had dead RAM slots |
| 20:15.04 | Amarande | seems like ASUS is not doing very well with reliability on Intel :( |
| 20:16.45 | Amarande | ASRock on the other hand I already like |
| 20:16.55 | Amarande | (this B85 is my first board from them) |
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| 20:20.12 | Dagmar | ASRock is essentially the US assets of ASUS having been spun off into their own company |
| 20:20.42 | Dagmar | They make pretty decent inexpensive boards |
| 20:21.01 | Dagmar | Seems like they leave the "high-end desktop" stuff mainly to ASUS |
| 20:21.21 | Dagmar | I've bought 4-5 of their boarads |
| 20:32.51 | Neffi | Pretty sure I just hit the lotto. Set music player to shuffle -> the specific seed had all tracks in order |
| 20:38.27 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh, ASUS doesn't seem to do very well even with high end boards, based on my experience and other googled experiences with the ROG series |
| 20:38.37 | Amarande | Dagmar: I'm getting the feeling it's like Blizzard and the Diablo series, LOL |
| 20:39.03 | Amarande | the good mobo talent at ASUS left to form ASRock, just like it seems to many like the good talent for the Diablo series were the folks who left in between D2 and D3 to make Torchlight :) |
| 20:40.51 | Neffi | Problem tho |
| 20:41.14 | Neffi | People only report problems, not success. Reviews of Asus boards continue to be great. They continue to receive much respect from enthusiast communities. |
| 20:42.01 | Amarande | On a more objective point, ASUS designs their stuff in a way that makes it really hard to get a warranty claim :P |
| 20:42.17 | Amarande | whereas ASRock looks to be much better in that regard. If I ever needed to get a warranty claim from ASRock, anyway. |
| 20:42.37 | Amarande | The choice of LGA socket shield being the big thing there. |
| 20:42.45 | Amarande | As you may or may not know, there's two kinds. |
| 20:43.29 | Simca | Spells\OrcMaleSkin00_00_HD.blp i'm glad blizz file paths always make sense |
| 20:43.39 | Amarande | ASRock uses the kind that goes OVER the socket lid, which means if I ever had to return it, it'd be easy |
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| 20:43.56 | Simca | gotta have textures for all those spells where you throw high quality orcs at people |
| 20:44.29 | Amarande | ASUS uses the kind that goes under the socket lid. I don't know if I've *EVER* gotten one of those reinstalled and the lid secured without bending pins and ending the campaign for a return. |
| 20:45.05 | Amarande | I'm not even sure how you do it, come to think of it. The under one never stays still, and the pins get killed when you're trying to latch the lever back down to pack it up. |
| 20:45.19 | Neffi | Simca: lol |
| 20:45.31 | Amarande | The over one just snaps back into the top of the lid, I'd presume (I've never had to return one with that kind, though heh) |
| 20:45.33 | Semlar | you literally just lay the cpu on the socket and close it |
| 20:45.45 | Amarande | Semlar: I'm not talking about CPU installation, I've never had an issue with that |
| 20:46.05 | Amarande | Semlar: I'm talking about how if you need to return/warranty the board, you have to "well place" (yay Engrish) the black plastic shield back over the socket after removing the CPU |
| 20:46.07 | Neffi | literally just lays Semlar on the socket and closes it |
| 20:46.29 | Amarande | And like I said, there's two kinds of such shields, the kind that snaps into the lid and the kind that goes under the lid. The kind that goes under the lid is an abomination that needs to die. :P |
| 20:47.02 | Neffi | Amarande: Open lid. Center shield on lid itself. Tape from back-side. Close. Perfectly aligned. Remove tape. |
| 20:47.20 | Amarande | And of course, if pins get bent, you have more chances out on the streets in that Springsteen song than you do of getting an RMA. LOL |
| 20:47.32 | Amarande | (From what I hear, it's almost impossible for people to get RMAs even when the reason is that pins CAME bent, heh) |
| 20:47.58 | Simca | yep, pretty much |
| 20:48.24 | Amarande | In fact, it's to the point where I begin to get the sneaky feeling that the "under" form is popular among mobo manufacturers precisely because it improves profits, heh |
| 20:48.40 | Amarande | (because it makes it more likely that people will screw up the socket when packing up for RMA and they can deny it and force a brand new purchase, natch) |
| 20:49.07 | Simca | meh, when it happened to me newegg was shitty about it and gigabyte was nice |
| 20:49.41 | Simca | didn't give me a new board but used some specialized tool to straighten the pins nearly perfectly and works fine |
| 20:49.52 | Amarande | Simca: ah ... I hear asus are pretty much fascist bastards about it |
| 20:50.02 | Amarande | I'm not sure why they're so picky about the socket compared to other components |
| 20:50.06 | Amarande | unless it's some sort of backend business reason |
| 20:50.22 | Amarande | like, does replacing the socket entail them paying a whole new licence fee to Intel as if they were making a brand new board, maybe? |
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| 20:50.58 | Amarande | I'm not sure if Intel ties mobo licencing fees to any one specific component or not, and if so, whether it's the PCH or the LGA socket that it's married to |
| 20:52.02 | Amarande | it's not like the makers *buy* the socket from intel though (far as I'm aware lga sockets are mainly made in yet another dark crevice in that giant foxconn foundry o' doom, heh) |
| 20:53.40 | Amarande | Gigabyte I've used recently for AMD, but not for Intel, though, so I'm not sure how they roll with LGA sockets |
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| 20:55.42 | Amarande | but meh, with the asus board it doesn't really matter all THAT much in the end, since I wasn't wanting to keep using that model anyway |
| 20:55.55 | Amarande | it would have been nice to get a warranty repair or replacement and craigslist it for some extra cash though |
| 20:56.29 | Amarande | probably would have at least netted the 75 bucks I paid for the ASRock that replaced it :) |
| 21:07.12 | Shirik | pompy1: turns out that's good for capitalism |
| 21:28.48 | TC-Work | http://bacontoday.com/bacon-chocolate-guinness-challah-bread-pudding/ This looks surprisingly tasty. |
| 21:33.34 | Neffi | TC-Work: My god, that looks horribly unhealthy and delicious |
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| 21:36.23 | TC-Work | Neffi: Yea, and I don't even really like chocolate. |
| 21:39.48 | Neffi | wait, are you human? |
| 21:40.06 | TC-Work | Negitive, I am a meat popsicle. |
| 21:40.28 | Neffi | ah, ok. That explains the disdain for chocolate |
| 21:43.50 | Jamash | TC-Work: o/ for 5th el |
| 21:44.59 | Jamash | TC-Work: but ಠ_ಠ for not liking chocolate |
| 22:02.21 | Amarande | Hrm, so apparently I must have the wrong view of professions in WoW, LOL |
| 22:02.46 | nevcairiel | thats not the only thing |
| 22:02.49 | Amarande | I always think they're fun and interesting, whereas apparently I'm supposed to appreciate that the prevailing player POV of it is that they're an annoying chore that people only do because they have to and would rather not |
| 22:02.53 | Stanzilla | what nev said |
| 22:03.18 | Amarande | like ... it seems like people are actually looking forward to the decreasing role of professions in WoW in 6.0, heh |
| 22:03.37 | Amarande | meanwhile, for me to imagine an MMO without crafting is almost to imagine golf without irons, heh |
| 22:04.20 | Amarande | I'm guessing the issue is I never stick around to a single MMO long enough to get into the "endgame treadmill" play style :S |
| 22:04.40 | Stanzilla | no you just never played it efficiently |
| 22:04.42 | Amarande | I usually (except for ICC where I did invest considerable time into raiding) tend to cycle between them often enough that they tend to feel shiny and new when I get back to each |
| 22:06.09 | Amarande | Stanzilla: exactly what would class "efficiently"? |
| 22:06.24 | Amarande | and it sounds like playing the game efficiently actually makes large parts of the content less fun |
| 22:06.25 | Stanzilla | swapping between professions for maximum dps/hps |
| 22:06.35 | Amarande | which seems like playing the game efficiently is a bad thing, because games are supposed to be fun :) |
| 22:07.07 | Stanzilla | there are many ways to play the game but in the end there are still numbers involved, and some people always want the biggest numbers |
| 22:07.12 | Amarande | yeah, the day my raid leader tells me to do that is the day I'm typing /gquit, LOL |
| 22:07.15 | Stanzilla | so with the current system, that meant switching a lot |
| 22:08.02 | Stanzilla | good guilds even paid their members to do the switch so yeah |
| 22:08.12 | Amarande | has there actually been content recently where that actually mattered to a significant degree in "real life" so to speak? |
| 22:08.12 | Stanzilla | all a matter of dedication and how serious you are about it |
| 22:08.22 | Amarande | last time I remember damage numbers being that tight was things like Brutallus back in BC |
| 22:08.29 | Amarande | and it was something Blizzard justifiably moved away from |
| 22:08.38 | Stanzilla | it was mostly going engineering this expansion |
| 22:08.40 | Stanzilla | because of utility |
| 22:08.42 | Amarande | well ... actually I guess damage numbers did matter on that one BQL run, like the slightest little advantage would have had it for us |
| 22:08.59 | Amarande | but that attempt had clearly gone south by that point anyway, it wasn't like we would have expected to make it anyhow |
| 22:09.06 | Stanzilla | and some professions offered different bonuses so there were BiS ones for every class/spec |
| 22:09.14 | Amarande | (she literally had 5 digits HP remaining when the last raid member died) |
| 22:10.28 | Dagmar | No, it still didn't matter. |
| 22:11.00 | Stanzilla | what do you mean, Dagmar |
| 22:11.10 | Dagmar | There was a rogue present. |
| 22:11.14 | Dagmar | Always blame the rogue. |
| 22:11.18 | Stanzilla | I agree |
| 22:11.23 | Stanzilla | but only if there is no hunter present |
| 22:11.34 | Dagmar | If you fell short by 0.0001% of a bosses HP, it's the rogue's fault, always. |
| 22:11.40 | Dagmar | Yeah there is that |
| 22:12.13 | Dagmar | Except I'd pass the buck onto Blizzard at that point for taking away my melee ability. |
| 22:12.36 | Stanzilla | want raptor strike back? |
| 22:12.46 | Dagmar | I got the ill on two bosses in Karazhan and one in BC with a melee blow |
| 22:12.50 | Dagmar | s/ill/kill/; |
| 22:12.58 | Dagmar | ...because it was just that goddamn close. |
| 22:13.31 | Stanzilla | good old min-range days |
| 22:13.34 | Stanzilla | would not happen today |
| 22:13.56 | Dagmar | Yeah I'm not going to fuss too terribly much. I don't miss being zerg rushed all the time in BGs |
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| 22:26.09 | Mr_Rabies | you know, after watching metal gear solid v's mother base mechanic, i think it'd be neat to implement some "invasion" mechanics for garrisons |
| 22:27.41 | Mr_Rabies | like an other-faction player could attack your garrison using a long cooldown/single use rare garrison-related item to send a squad of troops from his garrison to attack yours |
| 22:28.23 | Mr_Rabies | which normally are defended by your own troops, but you can assist if you want to push the odds in your favor |
| 22:29.06 | nevcairiel | they said this will happen with NPCs doing invasions on your garrison |
| 22:29.07 | Mr_Rabies | maybe have it take 24-48 hours to actually succeed or fail if you don't intervene, and the loss might be minor (maybe lose a few non-unique garrison soldiers) |
| 22:29.13 | nevcairiel | but probably not other players, that would be weird |
| 22:29.30 | Mr_Rabies | but it would be a neat mechanic |
| 22:29.31 | Amarande | nevcairiel: it seems a little like some of the stuff Guild Wars 1 had |
| 22:29.44 | Amarande | except on an individual rather than multiple players a team basis |
| 22:29.47 | Mr_Rabies | i love that the dark souls invasion mechanic is slowly gaining interest |
| 22:29.58 | nevcairiel | well the iron horde will attack you, not the other players, which kinda makes sense from the lore and all |
| 22:30.07 | Amarande | like they had Guild vs Guild were you actually did attack the other guild's hall |
| 22:30.21 | Mr_Rabies | the censer of eternal agony was kind of an experiment in one of the dark souls pvp mechanics |
| 22:31.15 | Mr_Rabies | and Metal Gear Solid V is applying that mechanic to the Mother Base, which is really, really similar to garrisons |
| 22:42.59 | relaxok | how exactly does framestrata work? is it possible to have a child object of a frame have a 'higher' framestrata than the parent? |
| 22:43.27 | relaxok | trying to think of how you'd logically run through everything to render it or not |
| 22:43.28 | relaxok | in what order |
| 22:43.55 | relaxok | could you feasibly draw stuff that's BACKGROUND, and then iterate through all children of all children skipping stuff with 'lower' strata but still draw its children of higher strata? |
| 22:44.01 | relaxok | seems kinda bad for performance |
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| 23:01.27 | karl_w_w | i find it hard to believe the daily teams thing in steam isn't rigged |
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| 23:04.58 | karl_w_w | because it is |
| 23:05.02 | karl_w_w | good job internets |
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| 23:11.22 | karl_w_w | it seems like it's time to remake jurassic park. they've remade every other film, maybe they could make jurassic park actually good |
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| 23:12.31 | karl_w_w | "Jurassic World re-entered development and is now scheduled for theatrical release on June 12, 2015" never mind |
| 23:17.36 | dusf123 | http://i.imgur.com/0cYMtDi.jpg |
| 23:17.58 | dusf123 | in the image the player unit does not display health or the value of rage as per the target frame |
| 23:18.08 | dusf123 | from looking can anyone tell me how i would set this? |
| 23:18.15 | dusf123 | i use pitbull but i cannot find the option |
| 23:23.58 | Primer | I love Pitbull4 |
| 23:24.24 | Primer | I once lost my PB4 config and spent 2 hours recreating everything |
| 23:25.07 | Primer | dusf123: But your question is a tad vague given that screen shot |
| 23:25.36 | dusf123 | Primer: my question concerns the player frame, that shows health and rage etc, like in the picture |
| 23:25.42 | dusf123 | is player frame the right term? |
| 23:25.46 | Primer | yeah, that's vague |
| 23:25.51 | Primer | which one is the player frame? |
| 23:25.54 | dusf123 | :) |
| 23:26.05 | dusf123 | okay, the player frame is on the left, it is what i see when i am in my charcater |
| 23:26.11 | dusf123 | the target, which is also me, is on the right |
| 23:26.11 | Primer | http://ceregatti.org/725_Ordos.jpg |
| 23:26.17 | Primer | that's what my player frame looks like |
| 23:26.32 | dusf123 | if you look on the target frame on the right it shows a numerical value for rage, whereas the player frame on the left does not - i am wondering how to fix this |
| 23:26.35 | dusf123 | *click* |
| 23:26.44 | Primer | ahh OK |
| 23:26.59 | kullervo | Primer: looks a bit cramped |
| 23:27.01 | Amarande | Primer: heh, I switched to Shadowed unit frames specifically so I didn't HAVE to spend an aeon configuring |
| 23:27.07 | dusf123 | same problem with health, the target on the right displays a value, player on the left does not |
| 23:27.11 | Primer | well, in /pb, pick the drop down that represents the player |
| 23:27.19 | Primer | I actually use a dedicated one for that called "player" |
| 23:27.22 | dusf123 | ok |
| 23:27.30 | Primer | but IIRC, there's always one named "normal" |
| 23:27.33 | Primer | which is the player |
| 23:28.03 | Primer | kullervo: What exactly is "cramped", or are you trolling? |
| 23:28.11 | Primer | because people troll my UI a lot |
| 23:28.44 | Primer | I see a ton of free space |
| 23:28.49 | dusf123 | Primer: should the player frame be in the units section? |
| 23:29.16 | Primer | dusf123: I'm trying to remember this from memory, sec |
| 23:29.20 | Primer | firing up wow |
| 23:29.43 | Primer | and I have to update... |
| 23:29.44 | Primer | bah |
| 23:30.08 | dusf123 | Primer: thanks, i appreciate the help |
| 23:30.34 | Primer | Amarande: I like having ultimate configurability, which is why I've stuck with PB (since 3) all this time |
| 23:30.41 | Primer | I've even written PB3 and 4 addons |
| 23:30.51 | Primer | One of which is visible in that screen shot :) |
| 23:31.16 | Primer | and the updater is failing... |
| 23:31.27 | dusf123 | :( |
| 23:31.34 | Primer | is on Linux running wow in wine |
| 23:31.43 | kullervo | Primer: it's just not very zen |
| 23:31.59 | dusf123 | also plays wow in wine |
| 23:32.06 | Primer | kullervo: tell me something specific |
| 23:32.12 | Primer | please, I really want to know |
| 23:32.18 | foxlit | there's… a lot… of buttons. |
| 23:32.41 | Primer | wow characters have a lot of abilities... |
| 23:32.47 | foxlit | Most of them aren't situationally relevant. |
| 23:33.02 | kullervo | you don't need to see all those abilities |
| 23:33.09 | kullervo | especially not in the middle of your screen |
| 23:33.15 | Primer | those track CDs |
| 23:33.21 | kullervo | yes, so? |
| 23:33.35 | kullervo | make weak auras or something more sensible |
| 23:34.04 | dusf123 | Primer: could you download the update? |
| 23:34.05 | Primer | I've pondered doing that |
| 23:34.06 | kullervo | you also have every single spell you've got visible on the screen |
| 23:34.10 | Primer | dusf123: still trying |
| 23:34.29 | foxlit | having the damage/healing meters visible is kind of meh; it's the sort of thing that you'd look at after a fight to pat self on back or figure out which healer to blame for dying to a fire. |
| 23:34.34 | kullervo | the auras are oddly placed and asymmetric in a distracting manner |
| 23:34.55 | kullervo | the party frames are just useless clutter with how little at-glance information they contain |
| 23:34.56 | dusf123 | Primer: thansk |
| 23:35.00 | Primer | right side is buffs, left side is debuffs |
| 23:35.06 | Primer | not hard to comprehend |
| 23:35.06 | foxlit | You're zoomed out further than I normally am; at my zoom levels (or some camera angles), your center stuff would obscure the character. |
| 23:35.20 | Primer | negative |
| 23:35.28 | kullervo | if you were suddenly to be attacked by two warlocks, your debuff area would flow over the chat |
| 23:36.02 | Primer | ok, got it running |
| 23:36.13 | Primer | yes, that much is true |
| 23:36.20 | Primer | but the strata has it over the chat |
| 23:36.26 | Primer | so that's not a problem |
| 23:36.32 | kullervo | it would still look bad |
| 23:37.21 | Primer | dusf123: so I go /pb, layout editor, then there's a drop down for "current layout", for that I pick "player", but again, IIRC, that's not the default for player. "normal" is the default for player |
| 23:37.34 | foxlit | [and there are two Question Mark icons in the micromenu.] |
| 23:37.50 | Primer | Then you hit the "bars" tab, and pick health |
| 23:38.10 | Primer | and go from there |
| 23:38.35 | dusf123 | got it working |
| 23:38.40 | dusf123 | thanks a lot :) |
| 23:38.57 | foxlit | player frame's pvp icon is kind of floating in the void. |
| 23:39.32 | dusf123 | time to backup! |
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| 23:39.57 | kullervo | hmh, just noticed I haven't got any recent combat screenshot that would display all things |
| 23:41.11 | Primer | well, my screen shot is missing my target and targettarget (and targettargettarget) |
| 23:41.16 | Primer | since I have nothing targeted |
| 23:41.23 | Primer | but it does show my awesome DPS :) |
| 23:41.30 | kullervo | why would you ever need ttt? |
| 23:41.36 | foxlit | (screw everything, we're goign to target^5) |
| 23:41.54 | dusf123 | :D |
| 23:42.00 | Primer | kullervo: one can never have enough info |
| 23:42.13 | kullervo | even if it's redundant? |
| 23:42.22 | Primer | anyhow, if you want to see how bad my UI really is, I have some videos :) |
| 23:42.43 | kullervo | ooh I do too |
| 23:43.23 | foxlit | anyway, it's not like any of this is /bad/; it's just a different set of preferences regarding the level of detail you want to see. |
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| 23:43.55 | kullervo | https://youtu.be/T5p7ZFIZ5HY |
| 23:44.21 | Primer | apparently I can't sign in to youtube... |
| 23:44.43 | Primer | We are sorry, but you do not have access to this service. |
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| 23:45.55 | Primer | it seems my work account is overriding my own account...WTF |
| 23:47.04 | Primer | WTF |
| 23:47.17 | Primer | I removed the work account, logged in, and it's still the work account! |
| 23:48.00 | kullervo | it uses your gmail login |
| 23:48.09 | Primer | which is bullshit |
| 23:48.13 | Primer | because I have a personal one and work one |
| 23:48.27 | foxlit | kullervo: scrolling text… everywhere. |
| 23:48.30 | Primer | And the only reason I have a personal one is because of youtube |
| 23:48.43 | kullervo | foxlit: only at the edges |
| 23:49.05 | kullervo | the current incarnation does away with crit display, they're in the same mass |
| 23:49.44 | foxlit | also, who forgot to buff might? |
| 23:49.54 | kullervo | we had a shaman |
| 23:50.58 | Primer | I had to delete all my google and youtube cookies to fix this |
| 23:51.14 | foxlit | I'm not up to date on raid buff stacking. Aren't blessings always better? |
| 23:51.32 | kullervo | it's the same buff |
| 23:51.35 | Esamynn|work | most of the overlaps are equivalent now |
| 23:51.35 | Primer | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SoCntgekTQ |
| 23:51.38 | Primer | so yeah, terrible |
| 23:52.07 | Esamynn|work | the substitutes from crafted items are slight worse |
| 23:52.11 | Esamynn|work | slightly* |
| 23:52.12 | kullervo | but at least I have ridiculous amounts of real estate |
| 23:52.26 | kullervo | the video is downscaled due to editing software limitations |
| 23:52.42 | foxlit | (not solely referring to the magnitude, but also the application mechanic) |
| 23:52.59 | kullervo | 100yd range aura |
| 23:53.50 | foxlit | compared to a personal buff :) |
| 23:54.03 | kullervo | won't matter in most encounters |
| 23:55.04 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/gallery/photos/Screenshots/World%20of%20Warcraft/WoWScrnShot_050814_013824.jpg |
