| 00:03.18 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: did you see it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM5jnmBdXug |
| 00:09.05 | relaxok | i feel like im going backwards in % done with this |
| 00:12.13 | jleclanche | you're still here? |
| 00:14.56 | relaxok | still? |
| 00:15.05 | relaxok | well, i've left many times |
| 00:15.16 | jleclanche | thats one way to look at it |
| 00:17.50 | Stanzilla | jerome <3 |
| 00:18.12 | jleclanche | Stanzilla: you will have to get over your crush on me at some point |
| 00:18.16 | jleclanche | my heart belongs to another |
| 00:19.04 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 00:19.28 | Stanzilla | excited for Lychee tomorrow? |
| 00:19.58 | TC-Work | Does it belong to the devil? |
| 00:20.35 | jleclanche | Stanzilla: .. the fruit? |
| 00:20.45 | Stanzilla | android L release actually |
| 00:21.10 | jleclanche | they do candy, not fruits |
| 00:21.34 | Stanzilla | wait and see! |
| 00:21.40 | jleclanche | yeah well |
| 00:21.47 | jleclanche | if its not lollipop it's something similarly unoriginal |
| 00:21.53 | TC-Work | Candied Lychee? |
| 00:22.03 | Stanzilla | needs 2 l |
| 00:22.08 | Stanzilla | maybe lychee licorice |
| 00:22.50 | Stanzilla | wait, 2l was a lie |
| 00:23.05 | jleclanche | if i know google well, they already dropped hints somewhere on what it will be |
| 00:23.18 | jleclanche | and if i know google really well, those hints are bullshit red herrings |
| 00:23.53 | Dagmar | Licorice |
| 00:24.01 | Dagmar | ...or possibly Lice Cream. |
| 00:24.02 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 00:24.05 | jleclanche | Licorice or Lollipop are the safe bets |
| 00:24.11 | jleclanche | also |
| 00:24.11 | jleclanche | http://satwcomic.com/e-elt |
| 00:24.33 | Stanzilla | https://plus.google.com/u/0/+KennyRoot/posts/gkdTuuTE719 |
| 00:24.35 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 00:25.32 | Dagmar | If they name it lychee, some people are going to be angry |
| 00:25.47 | Dagmar | Lots of folks are under the impression that berry == tasty |
| 00:25.49 | Dagmar | NOT SO |
| 00:25.54 | Dagmar | Mother Nature is evil. |
| 00:26.15 | Dagmar | For example... Mulberry. |
| 00:26.24 | Dagmar | The flavor of nasty yellow cough syrup. |
| 00:26.32 | Dagmar | The cough syrup part is not why it tastes nasty. |
| 00:26.48 | jleclanche | probably the same assholes who complained about master/slave in django are going to shit over google for picking a name with the letter "y" in it, a letter which is in "daddy", which reminds them of all their daddy issues |
| 00:27.07 | Dagmar | lol |
| 00:27.28 | Stanzilla | +1 |
| 00:27.38 | Dagmar | I look at it this way... If their primary concern is naming and not performance, then perhaps they're mistaken about what the fuck it is they're supposed to be doing. |
| 00:29.10 | nevcairiel | didnt the django weirdos even accept that change |
| 00:29.15 | nevcairiel | thats the real crime here |
| 00:29.29 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 00:29.57 | Dagmar | I wonder how they'd feel about any variables less than three letters long being renamed to 'sodomy' |
| 00:30.17 | Dagmar | ...because fuck people who still use i and j. |
| 00:30.25 | jleclanche | this is less funny in python |
| 00:30.28 | jleclanche | you cant do sodomy++ |
| 00:31.00 | nevcairiel | aw, no ++ in python? |
| 00:31.09 | jleclanche | arent you a python dev nevcairiel? |
| 00:31.18 | nevcairiel | what made you think that |
| 00:31.32 | jleclanche | I have no idea |
| 00:31.43 | jleclanche | maybe you're the same nick color as another python dev |
| 00:31.47 | jleclanche | you all look alike. |
| 00:32.03 | Stanzilla | pretty sure you know me from the others |
| 00:32.07 | nevcairiel | i can read and probably even write a bit of python, and i dabbled in python web things a couple years ago, but never anything serious |
| 00:32.21 | jleclanche | anyway, no, python has -= and += but no ++ / -- |
| 00:32.26 | nevcairiel | i have a few small utility scripts in python when shell just didnt do |
| 00:32.38 | p3lim | Stanzilla: Yeah, I'm aware of that issue, I intended to set a max of 8 items, then do scrolling for the rest if it exceeded |
| 00:32.43 | p3lim | Just never got around to do it |
| 00:33.04 | jleclanche | OH MAN GEEK ALERT |
| 00:33.19 | jleclanche | My ipv6 appears raw in logged out wikipedia edits! |
| 00:33.23 | jleclanche | <3 |
| 00:33.34 | nevcairiel | ..so? :D |
| 00:33.39 | jleclanche | its awesome. |
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| 00:33.52 | jleclanche | I didnt know wikipedia was already on v6 |
| 00:34.05 | nevcairiel | many large web things seem to adopt it these days |
| 00:34.17 | nevcairiel | even when the actual population that has it is still like 0.1% |
| 00:34.20 | jleclanche | lemme guess, they adopted it on 2013-06-06 |
| 00:34.25 | nevcairiel | are you native or tunneling? |
| 00:34.27 | jleclanche | native |
| 00:34.39 | nevcairiel | welcome to the club, then! |
| 00:34.48 | jleclanche | you wanna ask that again, just so i can repeat my answer? |
| 00:35.02 | Stanzilla | are you an indian? |
| 00:35.23 | nevcairiel | i got it a couple months ago as well, although my ISP seems to have a few routing problems to some hosts |
| 00:35.31 | nevcairiel | ie. i cant play wow in v6 because the route is broken |
| 00:35.45 | nevcairiel | no idea where to report that either, customer support is way too dumb to understand what i want from them |
| 00:36.04 | jleclanche | report it to blizzard. they can take it up to the appropriate isp channels |
| 00:36.11 | jleclanche | which might not even be your actual isp |
| 00:36.37 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz and me spent like 2 hours on it a while ago, and we''re quite certain the route gets lost out our ISPs router somewhere |
| 00:36.50 | p3lim | Stanzilla: https://github.com/p3lim-wow/HabeebIt/issues/9 |
| 00:37.18 | nevcairiel | then the next question, where do i report it to blizzard to make sure it gets attention? forums is hardly worth-while |
| 00:37.25 | jleclanche | um |
| 00:37.28 | jleclanche | .. here? :p |
| 00:37.56 | nevcairiel | any blizzard network techs listening? :p |
| 00:38.07 | jleclanche | by now you should know who to ping to report this sort of tech issues |
| 00:38.08 | nevcairiel | german t-online doesn't have routing to your v6 addresses! |
| 00:38.09 | nevcairiel | there |
| 00:38.09 | nevcairiel | ! |
| 00:38.36 | nevcairiel | well, i don't! |
| 00:38.42 | Stanzilla | I don't either |
| 00:38.54 | jleclanche | in that case get someone with US forum access to post it for you in the US tech support forum |
| 00:39.00 | jleclanche | do include the debug logs |
| 00:39.10 | nevcairiel | because the US techs will care for EU routing problems? |
| 00:39.47 | jleclanche | because there's no such thing as an EU tech, more like. |
| 00:39.54 | jleclanche | fkin blizzard. |
| 00:40.18 | Esamynn|work | ~calm jleclanche |
| 00:40.19 | purl | ACTION sooths jleclanche, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm jleclanche down. |
| 00:40.20 | Dagmar | Well, not many techs are ever going to care about routing problems |
| 00:40.20 | nevcairiel | i would assume they have techs in the appropriate data centers that take care of such thigns as network routing |
| 00:40.21 | jleclanche | though its a good point |
| 00:40.38 | jleclanche | I'd post traces to US ipv6 servers too |
| 00:40.41 | jleclanche | get a guest account |
| 00:40.46 | nevcairiel | those probably work |
| 00:40.57 | jleclanche | dont make assumptions? |
| 00:41.00 | Dagmar | They fall squarely within the intersection of the categories of "shit we can't do anything about" and "shit managers keep asking us to do something about" |
| 00:41.23 | nevcairiel | well tell me a ipv6 address for a US server then and i'll tell you! |
| 00:41.25 | jleclanche | Dagmar: blizzard was really proud of their v6 support and this is relatively easy to forward |
| 00:41.32 | Dagmar | I had a manager at our office ask if I'd called Qwest about a route flap in Austin |
| 00:41.38 | jleclanche | i dont have US server access |
| 00:41.40 | Dagmar | My answer, "No, and I'm not going to." |
| 00:41.43 | jleclanche | well, I do, but Im fucking lazy |
| 00:41.56 | Esamynn|work | ~lart jleclanche |
| 00:41.56 | purl | executes killall -HUP jleclanche |
| 00:42.03 | Esamynn|work | ~botsnack |
| 00:42.03 | purl | Esamynn|work: aw, gee |
| 00:42.15 | Dagmar | Damn thing was three hops out from our network, and if they hadn't already noticed it they wouldn't be a big telecom operator |
| 00:42.18 | jleclanche | sighup wont be very effective. |
| 00:42.45 | Dagmar | Only reason PHB was asking was because some student called to complain, and they were on the other side of the disturbance, so fuck them. |
| 00:42.53 | Esamynn|work | jleclanche: I know, the problem is fundamental to the program :P |
| 00:42.56 | nevcairiel | i might have more luck finding a tech that works for that ISP in a close-enough position, some of my friends should probably know one over 3 corners somewhere, just didnt bother to find out yet |
| 00:43.07 | jleclanche | FINE |
| 00:43.11 | jleclanche | give me the fucking logs ill do it myself |
| 00:43.44 | Esamynn|work | ./popcorn |
| 00:44.13 | nevcairiel | i dont have them with me, i'm 4500 miles away from home! |
| 00:44.50 | jleclanche | I'm 26 meters away from my server I would still acquire logs the exact same way |
| 00:47.52 | Gnarfoz | where did we even talk about it, nevcairiel |
| 00:47.57 | Gnarfoz | I can't find it |
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| 00:48.02 | nevcairiel | there even are rerports on the german EU tech support forum |
| 00:48.17 | Gnarfoz | right, there was a thread that precisely described the issue, wasn't there |
| 00:48.21 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: reporting it without the traces is useless fyi |
| 00:48.34 | Gnarfoz | http://eu.battle.net/wow/de/forum/topic/6298132627 |
| 00:48.52 | nevcairiel | but like anyone reads these |
| 00:48.52 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: #wowace |
| 00:48.52 | nevcairiel | there were traces |
| 00:49.32 | Gnarfoz | we went as far as using our ISP's looking glass website and putting Blizzard's IP in there - and got a 'no route to host' error :D |
| 00:49.47 | nevcairiel | there is also this, which got a blue response, but i don't think he really understood what it meant; http://eu.battle.net/wow/de/forum/topic/6298061651 |
| 00:49.58 | nevcairiel | silly community managers |
| 00:51.16 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 00:51.28 | Gnarfoz | only the last 2 posts before his post actually started to pick up the real problem |
| 00:51.32 | Gnarfoz | (and vaguely) |
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| 00:52.54 | Gnarfoz | Drogana's posts in my first link describe the problem precisely, I couldn't say it better. I'll have a look at translating them tomorrow |
| 00:53.07 | nevcairiel | i responded to the blue post and linked the other thread, maybe it helps :p |
| 00:53.10 | Gnarfoz | in the mean time: https://s-lga1.s.de.net.dtag.de/index.php?pageid=lg&query=ipv6+bgp¶=2001%3A067c%3A27a6%3A%3A%2F48&server=194.25.0.206&EXEC=Execute this shouldn't return "Network not in table" ^^ |
| 00:56.27 | Gnarfoz | http://infobot.rikers.org/%23wowace/20140511.html.gz from 18:56 @ nevcairiel |
| 00:56.59 | Gnarfoz | (or well, jleclanche ^ - it doesn't contain traces, though) |
| 00:57.15 | jleclanche | im not really interested in months-old traces |
| 00:57.23 | jleclanche | that is, im not interested by proxy |
| 00:57.29 | jleclanche | oh its may |
| 00:57.30 | jleclanche | meh |
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| 00:57.55 | jleclanche | try a bunch of servers |
| 00:57.59 | jleclanche | including US ones |
| 00:57.59 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: current http://pastebin.com/xsQfJj82 |
| 00:58.05 | Gnarfoz | I can't login to US servers, so no ty |
| 00:58.42 | nevcairiel | it actually says destination net unreachable? |
| 00:58.45 | nevcairiel | never noticed that before |
| 00:58.53 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: that dies super early |
| 00:59.04 | Gnarfoz | surprise! |
| 00:59.05 | jleclanche | what is 2003:0:1a03:c202::1 ? |
| 00:59.05 | Gnarfoz | (not really) |
| 00:59.05 | nevcairiel | like we said, our isp lacks a route :p |
| 00:59.11 | Gnarfoz | the first router, obviously |
| 00:59.19 | Gnarfoz | what more can I say :D |
| 00:59.24 | nevcairiel | thats the ISP router we talk to |
| 00:59.37 | nevcairiel | and it doesnt route anywhere with that v6 address |
| 00:59.38 | Gnarfoz | (or at least I do, could be a different one for you, who knows) |
| 00:59.46 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 00:59.51 | nevcairiel | different location etc |
| 00:59.53 | nevcairiel | but same problem |
| 01:00.11 | jleclanche | http://dpaste.com/20SK0YJ |
| 01:00.13 | jleclanche | this is mine fwiw |
| 01:00.29 | nevcairiel | should just call the phone number thats listed on the iana entry for that router :p |
| 01:00.41 | jleclanche | haha |
| 01:00.50 | Simca_ | "Hello, linksys technical support speaking" |
| 01:00.59 | Gnarfoz | what's that, jleclanche, the login server? |
| 01:01.07 | jleclanche | its the ip you just gave me |
| 01:01.14 | jleclanche | Simca_: ni hao |
| 01:01.21 | Gnarfoz | *scratches eyes* |
| 01:01.27 | jleclanche | dude dont. |
| 01:01.33 | Gnarfoz | it's utterly not? |
| 01:01.39 | jleclanche | C:\Users\Christian>tracert 2001:67c:27a4:400:f6ce:46ff:fe8a:c3b4 |
| 01:01.45 | jleclanche | traceroute to 2001:67c:27a4:400:f6ce:46ff:fe8a:c3b4 |
| 01:01.56 | Gnarfoz | what did I just copy *checks* |
| 01:02.01 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 01:02.10 | Gnarfoz | well ok I copied the IP of the last hop |
| 01:02.30 | Gnarfoz | which... should equal what you gave traceroute as the argument? Oo |
| 01:02.37 | Gnarfoz | well no, I guess not |
| 01:02.42 | Gnarfoz | since those are reverse lookups |
| 01:02.43 | Gnarfoz | nevermind |
| 01:02.47 | Gnarfoz | < 3 am |
| 01:03.03 | nevcairiel | we could traceroute just fine to the ip from other ISPs, like our v6 enabled servers in a datacenter |
| 01:03.09 | nevcairiel | just not our local telekom connections |
| 01:03.12 | Gnarfoz | true dat |
| 01:03.23 | nevcairiel | (or 1&1 as it may be, same shit) |
| 01:03.25 | jleclanche | reverse traceroute would be super useful |
| 01:03.32 | Gnarfoz | yeah good luck with that :< |
| 01:03.45 | jleclanche | i can reach 2003:0:1a03:c202::1 just fine |
| 01:04.06 | Gnarfoz | we can probably reach your ISP's routers, too! :P |
| 01:04.07 | nevcairiel | we can reach most v6 content on the web just fine as well, just not blizzards :P |
| 01:04.19 | jleclanche | 2003:0:1a03:c202::1 is your isp's stuff |
| 01:04.23 | Gnarfoz | exactly |
| 01:04.27 | jleclanche | ill have a look through my isp |
| 01:04.29 | jleclanche | they love ipv6. |
| 01:04.47 | Esamynn|work | I wish my ISP supported IPv6 :/ |
| 01:04.51 | Gnarfoz | point them to the forum thread, that guy seems to know what the problem is |
| 01:05.56 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: what does it say? |
| 01:06.40 | nevcairiel | i just noticed "by mistake" that it wasnt working, i turned v6 on in WoW and could still login just fine, except that logins took ages (it fails and falls back to v4), but it took me a while to link those two together |
| 01:06.47 | Gnarfoz | very short summary according to that guy: RIPE assigned 2001:67c:27a0::/45 to Blizzard (out of 2001:678::/29), Blizzard is trying to announce 2001:067c:27a6::/48 out of their assigment, but they didn't create a route6 object in the RIPE DB for that. Therefore, there's no AS that should announce these prefixes and that leads to them being filtered out |
| 01:07.13 | nevcairiel | or so is that guys assumption |
| 01:07.26 | Gnarfoz | (that's what his last post says. and the link to the DTAG looking glass confirms that they simply have no route to the target net in their routing table - this matches that guys description) |
| 01:07.30 | nevcairiel | knows way too little how it all interacts |
| 01:12.24 | jleclanche | hmm |
| 01:12.39 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: why does my traceroute die after 7 prs-b8-v6.telia.net (2001:2000:3018:2a::1) 22.745 ms 22.039 ms 23.662 ms |
| 01:12.55 | Gnarfoz | because nodes beyond that don't respond to ICMP |
| 01:13.17 | nevcairiel | either that or firewalled, traceroutes dont always work properly |
| 01:13.18 | Gnarfoz | (same on v4, since the game has been live at least ^^) |
| 01:13.33 | jleclanche | that is a little annoying |
| 01:13.36 | jleclanche | i cant test that theory then |
| 01:13.37 | Gnarfoz | they just filter it out, pretty standard |
| 01:13.47 | jleclanche | i dont ever reach that /45 |
| 01:13.58 | Gnarfoz | you should reach a /48 |
| 01:14.16 | jleclanche | yes, the one i pasted |
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| 01:15.37 | Gnarfoz | yeah, blocking ping and traceroute at Telia's gates is a bit annoying because you're blind from there on out ^^ |
| 01:17.07 | nevcairiel | but we would be happy even getting that far :D |
| 01:17.15 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 01:17.37 | nevcairiel | i wonder if you cant traceroute with a normal data packet |
| 01:17.52 | nevcairiel | just set ttl low and see which router sends it back |
| 01:18.02 | Gnarfoz | sure |
| 01:18.10 | Gnarfoz | well, it's not ICMP most of the time by default anyway |
| 01:18.14 | Gnarfoz | most of them default to UDP? |
| 01:19.00 | Jamash | yeah |
| 01:19.43 | Gnarfoz | meh, winmtr doesn't do v6 ^^ |
| 01:19.55 | nevcairiel | i suppose those filters then just dont allow any response to a packet that reached its ttl |
| 01:20.30 | nevcairiel | suppose it might be considered a potential attack vector if you manage to fake such a packet, get their servers to send the responses to someone else |
| 01:22.31 | Jamash | nevcairiel: "just set ttl low and see which router sends it back" that's how traceroute works :) |
| 01:24.40 | nevcairiel | i just figured there is a standard port or such you send it to |
| 01:25.21 | Jamash | there are some conventional ports but no standards as far as I know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traceroute |
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| 01:28.53 | Esamynn|work | reflection attacks are only possible because ISPs don't filter bad source addresses before they leave their networks |
| 01:29.02 | Esamynn|work | I still cannot fathom why that isn't a standard practice |
| 01:32.38 | jleclanche | nevcairiel Gnarfoz: a tool with a database of blizzard ips that traceroutes/pings stuff would be useful |
| 01:32.44 | jleclanche | who's up for it :) |
| 01:33.05 | jleclanche | you could essentially run this from any isp and get a report of which server works best, which servers are problematic etc. |
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| 02:20.51 | Simca__ | wouldn't be hard, their ips are clustered together in groups of four |
| 02:21.01 | Simca__ | so the pattern is easy to put together |
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| 03:03.04 | Jamash | Esamynn|work: because it's Somebody Else's Problem™ |
| 03:04.06 | Jamash | most ISPs will only routinely install egress filters for that sort of thing if someone forces them to |
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| 08:37.21 | zenzelezz | "Kingston DDR3L 1333 MHz 128 GB (32x4 GB)"... I'm sure there is a use case, but I can't quite see where you'd use 128 GB low-voltage RAM |
| 08:40.45 | Dagmar | Your sales rep at Dell is the reincarnation of the Marquis de Sade. |
| 08:49.49 | Kalroth | but you save like 2-3W per DIMM!! |
| 08:55.43 | zenzelezz | this thing (an Intel NUC) uses mini-HDMI. The webshop I'm buying from only lists one mini-HDMI => HDMI cable under the computer components page; a Monster 2m for $100... but under "sound and [picture/video]" it has a non-brand 5m for $50 |
| 08:56.00 | zenzelezz | I'm tempted to go with the cheaper one, but hiding a 5m cable would be about 3m more tricky than the 2m one |
| 08:56.05 | Alram | i got one of those with one of my graphics cards |
| 08:56.28 | Alram | might be worth checking if you did too at one point |
| 08:56.36 | zenzelezz | hm, interesting... I'll do that |
| 08:56.48 | Alram | it works fine on my NUC |
| 08:57.20 | Kalroth | zenzelezz: at $50 it's likely cheaper to find a cable of the right length elsehwere |
| 09:01.27 | zenzelezz | found an adapter for $10... would work, though I don't like using adapters since they add length (and it's also not in stock) |
| 09:05.28 | zenzelezz | not sure whether or not I should be surprised when offline stores have a better selection than webshops these days |
| 09:05.45 | Mr_Rabies | zenzelezz, are you in the US, i forget? |
| 09:05.55 | zenzelezz | nope, Norway |
| 09:05.59 | Mr_Rabies | aw man |
| 09:06.06 | Mr_Rabies | was gonna say, firefold or monoprice, yo |
| 09:07.10 | zenzelezz | hehe. Thanks though |
| 09:07.22 | Mr_Rabies | you need 2 meters right? |
| 09:07.31 | zenzelezz | nope. Strictly speaking I could do with 50 cm |
| 09:07.41 | zenzelezz | but 1m is the least I've seen |
| 09:07.41 | Maldivia | checked to see if you don't have one already in a gfx card box or something? |
| 09:07.56 | zenzelezz | Maldivia: yeah, only came with a regular one |
| 09:08.14 | zenzelezz | apparently mini is "type c", that might help slightly in finding something |
| 09:08.35 | Maldivia | ok, I just know I have 2 mini-hdmi-to-hdmi adapters from gfx cards lying in a drawer somewhere :) |
| 09:08.36 | Mr_Rabies | firefold ships internationally, hmm, lets see http://www.firefold.com/3ft-hdmi-cable-mini |
| 09:08.46 | Mr_Rabies | apparently you may incur a customs fee ontop of everything else though |
| 09:09.02 | Mr_Rabies | probably will, in norway, lol |
| 09:09.26 | zenzelezz | if it's above ~$32 (200 NOK) it will... if they detect it |
| 09:09.27 | Mr_Rabies | doesn't seem like you can fart without paying somebody there, as i understand it |
| 09:10.08 | Maldivia | that's emitting green house gasses, ofcourse it's taxable then :P |
| 09:10.24 | zenzelezz | I'll find something, just took more than the two minutes I'd thought it would ;) |
| 09:11.31 | Mr_Rabies | can you order from amazon germany? |
| 09:11.57 | Mr_Rabies | no clue where you guys order stuff :( |
| 09:11.57 | zenzelezz | can order from any Amazon I'd imagine |
| 09:12.11 | zenzelezz | I've used both .com and .co.uk, I don't think they restrict it |
| 09:12.19 | zenzelezz | often the .co.uk has been shipped from Germany |
| 09:13.52 | Mr_Rabies | there's an adapter for 5,99 EUR at http://www.amazon.de/dp/B00JM9NKRU?psc=1 |
| 09:16.08 | Mr_Rabies | i really hate living in the US at times, and then ther's times like these |
| 09:16.34 | Mr_Rabies | where it's like, well shit we DO have much better access to very specific things at times |
| 09:16.53 | Mr_Rabies | on the other hand you have much better access to healthcare soooo |
| 09:16.59 | Mr_Rabies | and a living wage, etc |
| 09:18.50 | zenzelezz | found a 1.5 m that I can pick up in town... will have to do |
| 09:20.27 | Fisker | want End |
| 09:20.29 | Fisker | damnit |
| 09:20.30 | Fisker | want zenzelezz |
| 09:20.32 | Fisker | WAAAAAAAAAAAAAANT |
| 09:20.37 | Fisker | giev sauce |
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| 09:54.07 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 09:55.51 | airtonix | zenzelezz: you can't see a use for 128gb of ram? |
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| 10:08.42 | zenzelezz | airtonix: of low-voltage RAM? I'm no expert at all about these things, but I would think that if you wanted low voltage, you also weren't running a very high-performance system |
| 10:09.10 | airtonix | well |
| 10:09.37 | airtonix | it's not about performance as you imagine it in the regard of "high" |
| 10:09.56 | airtonix | maybe it's just about improving performance |
| 10:44.14 | Gnarfoz | zenzelezz: nah, that's a misconception |
| 10:46.40 | Workfoz | oh, wrong client |
| 10:46.42 | Workfoz | :D |
| 10:48.02 | Workfoz | it's really just for saving power |
| 10:48.03 | Workfoz | (cf. http://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/04/campaigns/poweredge-memory for example) |
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| 13:29.11 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwo8qxUit00 classic |
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| 13:48.40 | airtonix | karl_w_w: didn't know tony abbot was a comedic actor in his younger years |
| 13:49.38 | karl_w_w | the more you know |
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| 14:32.57 | jleclanche | '''What if I want my password to be "one small step for man one giant leap for mankind" (or something less known)? Do I really have to put a dollar in that to make it secure? |
| 14:32.57 | jleclanche | Teach good password hygiene. Use keepassx. Use decentralized third party authentication with providers that know what they are doing and use 2FA and such! But password restrictions achieve very little. Let people use their 12345 if they really want, they won't learn by watching the stove but by touching it. Some people are like that and we should educate, not babysit''' |
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| 14:48.25 | nevcairiel | i guess it depends what kind of page you're running, if the password only protects that one persons data, let them screw themself.. |
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| 15:16.31 | Workfoz | grrr |
| 15:16.58 | Workfoz | why can't I buy all 3 "Dunk and Egg" stories (prequels to A Song of Ice and Fire) in the same format |
| 15:17.57 | Workfoz | the prose versions of 1 & 2 are only available as part of collections, which is not a big problem, except that part 2 is only contained in collections that are out of print (someone on Amazon offers it for 300+ € :D) |
| 15:18.10 | Workfoz | there's also graphic novel adapations, but only of part 1 & 2 |
| 15:18.27 | Workfoz | (oh wiat, part 3 prose is also only available in a collection) |
| 15:18.35 | Workfoz | so I can get part 1 & 3 as prose |
| 15:18.43 | Workfoz | or part 1 & 2 as graphic novels + part 3 as prose |
| 15:18.45 | Workfoz | what. |
| 15:22.27 | nevcairiel | the fate of books that are a bit older and never made it for re-print, its teh horrible |
| 15:23.20 | nevcairiel | if you're lucky you find some other book store that may still have them, but in general its really all about luck or paying way too much :p |
| 15:25.21 | Workfoz | or buy used |
| 15:25.48 | nevcairiel | that usually falls in one of the last two categories |
| 15:25.52 | nevcairiel | luck or expensive |
| 15:25.53 | nevcairiel | :D |
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| 16:41.18 | jleclanche | congratulations google |
| 16:41.26 | jleclanche | you just figured out that tabs should be handled by the window manager |
| 16:41.33 | jleclanche | maybe now everyone else will fucking figure it out |
| 16:42.37 | fewyn | ? |
| 16:43.02 | jleclanche | fewyn: google io |
| 16:43.07 | fewyn | oh |
| 16:43.11 | fewyn | i forgot that was going on today |
| 16:43.17 | fewyn | i'm watching soccer |
| 16:43.18 | jleclanche | https://www.google.com/events/io |
| 16:43.23 | fewyn | they picked a horrible time to host this event |
| 16:43.35 | jleclanche | they showcased having open chrome tabs in the WM |
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| 17:13.41 | jleclanche | i get the feeling google is going after a no-shot betting so much on watches |
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| 17:36.52 | zenzelezz | <jleclanche> you just figured out that tabs should be handled by the window manager <jleclanche> maybe now everyone else will fucking figure it out <-- not sure I understand that (without more context) |
| 17:38.58 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: google io - sec i think ars blogged about i |
| 17:38.59 | jleclanche | it |
| 17:39.18 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/06/google-previews-next-version-of-android-codenamed-l-release/ |
| 17:39.27 | jleclanche | Demonstrations of web browsing showed off a wealth of new animations, along with individual Chrome browsing tabs becoming part of your total "recent apps" log, while a demonstrator addressed touch latency, assuring developers that they'll receive a few more frames of notice so that apps can react to touch more quickly. |
| 17:39.56 | Gnarfoz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtLJPvx7-ys at around 1:00:00 |
| 17:39.59 | relaxok | fuck. |
| 17:40.18 | relaxok | TaxiFrame.xml is the only frame where a parent is referenced before that parent is defined |
| 17:40.21 | relaxok | in the whole game |
| 17:40.23 | relaxok | fuck you |
| 17:40.29 | relaxok | phew, sorry |
| 17:40.39 | nevcairiel | i doubt thats actually possible |
| 17:40.49 | zenzelezz | jleclanche: oh, on the phone... makes sense now. Somehow I didn't think of that :-| |
| 17:40.50 | relaxok | well its just a string |
| 17:40.57 | relaxok | but the way im doing things it needs to be created because im storing the parent as a pointer |
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| 18:01.40 | relaxok | http://bh.polpo.org/ui_ip_6.png |
| 18:01.41 | relaxok | whee |
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| 18:02.41 | nevcairiel | that looks broken |
| 18:08.50 | relaxok | nevcairiel: it is broken |
| 18:08.54 | relaxok | but give me a break |
| 18:08.55 | relaxok | =) |
| 18:12.04 | TC-Work | No. |
| 18:27.08 | Alram | (have a break, have a kitkat relaxok) |
| 18:29.33 | zenzelezz | kitkat relaxok, is that another minor Android version? |
| 18:30.19 | kd3|hate`net | in today's episode of 'kd3's life lessons': when giving somebody a jump, make sure to put the battery cover back before closing the hood or you'll wedge the hood release mechanism and have to fish the battery cover out to close/reopen the hood |
| 18:30.45 | Dagmar | heh |
| 18:30.56 | Gnarfoz | good job |
| 18:30.56 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:31.35 | Dagmar | This isn't quite the same thing, but I begin to think that we should have *one* rider attaced to renewing people's licences--they should be able to pass a test about the correct way to jump-start a car |
| 18:32.30 | Gnarfoz | that's one idea, I'd prefer mandatory vision and reflex tests ;) |
| 18:34.43 | jleclanche | oh fantastic |
| 18:34.48 | jleclanche | google's version of GFWL |
| 18:34.54 | jleclanche | Im sure that'll go great |
| 18:35.56 | zenzelezz | exactly what everyone has been clamoring for |
| 18:36.48 | Dagmar | At least twice a year I have to intervene because I'll see people doing things that are likely to _start a battery fire_ |
| 18:37.04 | Dagmar | I don't think we're going to be able to do things about vision and reflex tests. |
| 18:37.11 | Dagmar | Airbags are the problem there. |
| 18:37.29 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 18:37.31 | Dagmar | Airbags keep idiots alive and on the roads. |
| 18:37.45 | Dagmar | They sure as shit don't look where they're going, so visual acuity isn't an issue |
| 18:37.53 | Gnarfoz | uh. |
| 18:37.55 | Gnarfoz | yes it is |
| 18:38.02 | zenzelezz | true to some extent, but they also keep alive the victims of those idiots |
| 18:38.05 | Dagmar | Ride a two-wheeled vehicle for awhile |
| 18:38.05 | Gnarfoz | because 90 year olds keep their licenses without checks :| |
| 18:38.13 | Gnarfoz | and what zenzelezz said |
| 18:38.31 | Dagmar | I have a loud stereo on my bike to _stop_ the monthly issues of "some asshole trying to merge into me" |
| 18:38.43 | Dagmar | They don't _look_, so whether or not they can see is academic. |
| 18:39.13 | Dagmar | ...and SUV drivers tend very strongly to be utter assholes who will _take_ the right of way |
| 18:39.35 | Dagmar | Once a year I have to kick a dent in someone's quarterpanel. |
| 18:39.44 | Gnarfoz | ok, so back to reflexes and vision tests: I was talking about old people who think they can still drive safely, not morons in general |
| 18:40.24 | Dagmar | I suspect the old people are more careful, since I've never had an altercation with an octogenerian behind the wheel |
| 18:40.32 | Dagmar | Middle aged assholes on the phone, every time |
| 18:40.58 | Gnarfoz | it's not about "altercations", it's about straight crashes and accidents |
| 18:41.20 | Dagmar | Maybe if we required everyone to spend their first two years driving on a two-wheeled vehicle without hte use of the interstate, we'd see some change in behaviour |
| 18:41.35 | Gnarfoz | maybe we could also just outlaw two-wheeled vehicles |
| 18:41.46 | Gnarfoz | they're a lot more dangerous than necessary anyway :> |
| 18:41.49 | Dagmar | Dude the only reason my "altercations" aren't accidents is because I'm a psycho |
| 18:41.56 | Gnarfoz | oh ok |
| 18:42.05 | Dagmar | I'm not kidding about kicking people's cars |
| 18:42.09 | Gnarfoz | are altercations between senior citizens and buildings possible? |
| 18:42.12 | Dagmar | This happens when they leave me *nowhere* to go |
| 18:42.33 | Dagmar | If I can kick someone's car, they are not in their lane by any definition |
| 18:42.38 | Gnarfoz | true |
| 18:43.07 | Dagmar | ...and I've usually got an idiot tailgating me, which means I can't brake to get out of the way either |
| 18:43.50 | Dagmar | Generally when I'm on the bike, I rush up at the first light to get into the long gap between traffic pulses, and I *stay there*, away from all other vehicles |
| 18:44.19 | Dagmar | There's nothing particularly dangerous about a two-wheeled vehicle when idiot cagers aren't around |
| 18:44.41 | Gnarfoz | anyway, every time I read a news story about some 86 year old plowing onto a sidewalk, flying off the road in a corner, colliding with $object... yeah, I'd like the license renewals to include more than a new photo for the license. |
| 18:45.06 | TC-Work | There is in places that do not have space them. |
| 18:45.38 | Gnarfoz | more importantly: your body is your crumple zone |
| 18:46.11 | Gnarfoz | it's probably not more accident-prone when handled correctly and the traffic situation is safe |
| 18:46.22 | Gnarfoz | that's not what I meant though ;( |
| 18:46.32 | Gnarfoz | I meant: accident? you're fucked |
| 18:46.55 | Dagmar | You're also very, very aware of this. |
| 18:47.04 | Dagmar | Trust me that has an effect on how you pilot the vehicle. |
| 18:47.07 | Gnarfoz | (accident doesn't even have to include other parties :\) |
| 18:48.04 | Dagmar | The "asshole who 'knows' the bike will yield" is a far greater danger |
| 18:48.06 | Gnarfoz | we're talking two different worlds here anyway, motoring is a lot safer here I think |
| 18:48.37 | Dagmar | The idiots who think it's a good idea to pull a wheelie in a windy residential area auto-Darwinate, so they're just not a problem for very long. |
| 18:48.51 | Gnarfoz | lol, they can just remove themselves from the gene pool, np |
| 18:48.59 | Dagmar | Exactly. |
| 18:49.40 | Dagmar | Of the people who used to ride bikes and don't, generally the story I hear is "Well, I twisted the handle too hard and the front end came up and got away from me" |
| 18:49.58 | Dagmar | Easy solution to this problem: Don't ride a bike that's improperly overpowered. |
| 18:50.44 | Dagmar | A CVT bike can actually be tuned down so that's no longer a problem. |
| 18:51.02 | Dagmar | ...but you'll almost never find the crotch rocket types doing that. |
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| 19:20.10 | zenzelezz | "You are more likely to be bitten by Luis Suarez (1 in 2,000) than a shark (1 in 3,700,000)" |
| 19:21.06 | foxlit | Luis Suarez bit…. 3 million people? |
| 19:22.47 | Fisker | o hi Lopeppeppy |
| 19:23.11 | Lopeppeppy | Heya. What a day today has been, rawr. |
| 19:23.29 | Fisker | yes |
| 19:23.32 | Fisker | dat Google I/O |
| 19:23.51 | Fisker | also dat user asking me how to access the internet when all he get when opening the internet is "our intranet site" |
| 19:24.03 | Fisker | and dat user thinking her username is her password |
| 19:24.05 | Fisker | O_O |
| 19:24.13 | Fisker | or the other way around |
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| 20:24.56 | Gnarfoz | ~seen mentalpower |
| 20:24.59 | purl | mentalpower <~textual@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 348d 22h 39m 6s ago, saying: 'bleeter!'. |
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| 21:22.37 | Arrowmaster | what all did i miss from I/O |
| 21:22.48 | sb | android cancelled |
| 21:23.09 | TC-Work | So...nothing important? |
| 21:23.27 | Arrowmaster | oh well, winphone was better anyway.... sorry cant say that with a straight face |
| 21:23.47 | sb | basically android on every device (watch, car, tv, chromebook) and everything syncs + communicates plus new ui/ux elements+guidlines and lots of small improvements (battery, performance, etc.) |
| 21:24.15 | Fisker | Everything changed |
| 21:24.26 | sb | even android on Fisker |
| 21:24.58 | Fisker | The best part was that we're getting a beta |
| 21:25.06 | Arrowmaster | so i can root and mod my Fisker now? |
| 21:25.15 | sb | yup |
| 21:25.28 | Arrowmaster | i wonder what the first thing ill change will be |
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| 21:31.04 | jleclanche | Dagmar Arrowmaster: this is my lsblk: http://dpaste.com/3BY5VY6 - that sdb used to be an external hard drive that I extracted from its enclosure, but now it cant find its first and only partition. wtf? |
| 21:31.06 | jleclanche | how do I recover this? |
| 21:31.19 | jleclanche | i am almost certain the drive hasnt been damaged |
| 21:31.51 | Dagmar | This'll sound dumb, but since it was pretending to be a USB device, it may be a raw image |
| 21:32.03 | Dagmar | See if it's mountable directly. |
| 21:32.06 | jleclanche | tried, no luck |
| 21:32.31 | Dagmar | What does `file` think about it? |
| 21:32.41 | jleclanche | /dev/sdb: block special (8/16) |
| 21:32.45 | Arrowmaster | did you try putting it back in the enclosure? |
| 21:32.49 | Dagmar | Oh duh that's right |
| 21:33.08 | jleclanche | and heres the header: https://mediacru.sh/nB_RnmTEuXBq |
| 21:33.22 | jleclanche | oops |
| 21:33.25 | Dagmar | If you've got that much free space around, it wouldn't hurt to extract the entire thing with dd and then try to mount that file over the loop interface |
| 21:33.53 | jleclanche | i dont really have that much space |
| 21:33.54 | Dagmar | Hexview on the first two sectors might give hints |
| 21:34.09 | Dagmar | Otherwise, Arrowmaster probably has the right idea |
| 21:34.25 | jleclanche | gparted thinks its unallocated |
| 21:34.31 | Dagmar | Maybe something else is stuffed up. What does hdparm say about it? (both -I and -i) |
| 21:34.38 | jleclanche | also yeah Dagmar that screenshot is a hexview |
| 21:34.46 | jleclanche | but mediacrush is getting ddos'd |
| 21:34.46 | Arrowmaster | how many drives does the enclosure hold? |
| 21:34.49 | jleclanche | 1 |
| 21:34.55 | Dagmar | IF you get reasonable responses back from the drive then it's probably not some crazy shit in the firmware of the adapter |
| 21:35.14 | Dagmar | gparted is going to say it's unused because it has no partition |
| 21:35.18 | jleclanche | yeah |
| 21:35.21 | Dagmar | Partitions aren't realyl necessary tho |
| 21:35.27 | Dagmar | Hell, the damn thing might have used GPT |
| 21:35.38 | Arrowmaster | gparted supports GPT |
| 21:35.48 | Dagmar | I dunno if all versions of gparted can read GPT tables tho |
| 21:35.51 | nevcairiel | unless jleclanche's system is like 10 years old, it owuld probably detect gpt =p |
| 21:35.52 | jleclanche | http://i.imgur.com/pBuMcs2.png |
| 21:36.11 | jleclanche | and yes i can read gpt just fine |
| 21:36.30 | jleclanche | http://dpaste.com/32WF57W |
| 21:36.36 | Dagmar | That link is promising. It looks like at least something is still there |
| 21:36.46 | Arrowmaster | but yeah my first guess is that the enclosure was doing something funny, its highly likely for them to do that if it was purchased as an external drive |
| 21:37.09 | Gnarfoz | put it back in its enclosure, get the data off, take it back out, nuke it, start over? |
| 21:37.16 | Gnarfoz | (or not enough room to store the data temporarily?) |
| 21:37.36 | jleclanche | everything is \0 up until 0x000FFFFC |
| 21:37.40 | jleclanche | guessing this might be fs |
| 21:37.47 | jleclanche | er |
| 21:37.51 | jleclanche | 0x100000 |
| 21:38.18 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/v0-BhYS6FOGy.png |
| 21:38.19 | Dagmar | pBuMcs2.png looks like sane stuff. WHat I don't know yet |
| 21:38.30 | jleclanche | this is probably journal or sth |
| 21:40.02 | nevcairiel | a MBR would have the boot loader in the first 440 bytes, but the MBR signature after that isn't present |
| 21:40.20 | Dagmar | If the enclosure still works, fall back and punt. Pop it into the enclosure and read it from there |
| 21:40.24 | nevcairiel | maybe its a smart enclosure and actually encryption your drive? :p |
| 21:40.31 | nevcairiel | encrypting* |
| 21:40.31 | jleclanche | i doubt it |
| 21:40.37 | jleclanche | and none of this looks encrypted |
| 21:40.44 | Dagmar | I suspect that's the enclosures own idea of a partition table or something |
| 21:40.46 | jleclanche | how do you seek in hexedit |
| 21:40.54 | Dagmar | Heh you just page down through the file |
| 21:41.07 | Dagmar | ...or you use dd to seek and pipe through STDOUT |
| 21:41.13 | jleclanche | ive been doing that for 10 mins im still in the journal |
| 21:41.15 | plaw | Fisker: |
| 21:41.22 | Fisker | plaw: |
| 21:41.25 | plaw | tackle hugs Dagmar |
| 21:41.27 | nevcairiel | what file system is it supposed to have? |
| 21:41.30 | jleclanche | ext4 |
| 21:41.37 | jleclanche | from start to end |
| 21:42.54 | jleclanche | fuck i cant read block devices from bless |
| 21:43.20 | Dagmar | Well... You're not going to much care for this, but you can always try searching through the thing until you come to some directory structures, and try to create an image using dd from that point forward, but i've never tried to do that with ext4 |
| 21:43.57 | jleclanche | ddrescue time i guess |
| 21:44.03 | Dagmar | Um no |
| 21:44.06 | nevcairiel | if you feel adventorous you could try creating a partition table that matches the start of the partition (probably 0x100000) |
| 21:44.12 | Dagmar | ddrescue will not untangle that |
| 21:44.41 | Dagmar | Don't write to the device |
| 21:44.47 | jleclanche | i dont intend to write |
| 21:44.50 | jleclanche | just read |
| 21:45.02 | Dagmar | Does the enclosure still work? |
| 21:45.14 | jleclanche | i think so ill try it |
| 21:45.24 | Dagmar | 'cuz it looks like the enclosure wrote it's own form of partitioning in there |
| 21:45.44 | Dagmar | Without 2Tb of free space to make an image, experimentation is probably bad |
| 21:45.52 | jleclanche | i have some extra drives |
| 21:45.54 | jleclanche | but all external |
| 21:45.56 | jleclanche | meh ill try |
| 21:46.35 | jleclanche | ok thank fuck i still had backups |
| 21:46.37 | Fisker | I'm scared |
| 21:46.58 | Dagmar | Being that it's _nearly_ >2Tb the enclosure probably was doing something fancy like it's own GPT |
| 21:47.14 | Dagmar | Except not actually GPT and therefore evil |
| 21:47.53 | Dagmar | Sometimes manufs like to get ahead of problems like that, sometimes they just create new and exciting onees. |
| 21:48.00 | jleclanche | either that OR |
| 21:48.14 | jleclanche | i wiped the partition table when i was drunk |
| 21:48.23 | jleclanche | happens to everyone |
| 21:49.53 | jleclanche | fuck i think that might be it |
| 21:49.58 | jleclanche | except i wasnt even drunk |
| 21:54.18 | jleclanche | Dagmar: this hd is making concerning noise |
| 21:54.23 | jleclanche | on writes |
| 21:54.42 | jleclanche | and i cant tell if its normal or not. its a brand new hd so ive never heard it before, but i did a full badblocks on it and it didnt catch anything |
| 21:56.06 | Dagmar | Is it Seagate/Maxtor? |
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| 21:58.08 | jleclanche | Dagmar: WD |
| 22:05.05 | Shirik | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=610945725687838&set=a.590906274358450.1073741841.445940315521714&type=1&theater |
| 22:08.07 | Fisker | dat ietan though Shirik |
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| 22:47.06 | jleclanche | ffs |
| 22:47.18 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/jXnDbQ0QuGrb |
| 22:47.32 | jleclanche | guess which of the two replies is by an actual CW employee and which one is by a volunteer |
| 22:47.38 | jleclanche | you guessed it, the asshole is the one being paid |
| 22:47.54 | jleclanche | i swear to fuck people sabotaging their own project |
| 22:48.27 | fewyn | welcome to the internet |
| 22:50.03 | Simca | devs making short sarcastic remarks at the worst moments? that would never happen |
| 22:50.30 | Simca | #Torvalds |
| 22:50.33 | nevcairiel | jleclanche: thats normal, someone being paid doesnt necessarily like his job, while volunteers are there by choice |
| 22:50.37 | Fisker | what do you mean Simca ? |
| 22:50.46 | Fisker | Torvalds does it all the time |
| 22:50.55 | Fisker | and on purpose too |
| 22:50.56 | jleclanche | good point i guess |
| 22:51.45 | Fisker | maybe they should pay the people who enjoy it nevcairiel |
| 22:52.09 | nevcairiel | maybe they should |
| 22:52.14 | nevcairiel | but doesnt work like that sadly |
| 22:52.24 | Fisker | I know |
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| 23:41.33 | Arrowmaster | i saw this and had to place an order http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/1345/ |
| 23:42.35 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: they spell 'aluminium' wrong. :) |
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| 23:43.58 | Constie | At least they spell "aluminum" right. |
| 23:47.41 | Amarande | Constie: actually, nope, IUPAC ruled against American usage there, they granted "aluminium" |
| 23:47.52 | Amarande | in exchange we got to officially be able to spell "sulfur" with an F instead of a PH |
| 23:48.16 | Esamynn|work | O_o |
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| 23:51.16 | Constie | Amarande: Is that something very recent? Wikipedia and http://www.iupac.org/fileadmin/user_upload/news/IUPAC_Periodic_Table-1May13.pdf both seem to disagree. |
| 23:53.35 | Constie | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium#Etymology , that is. |
| 23:54.05 | Amarande | Constie: that's how I understood it anyway, "aluminium" and "sulfur" became the official picks |
| 23:54.19 | Amarande | since one is common British and one is common American usage, I can only presume it was chosen that way as a compromise |
