| 00:00.03 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 00:00.33 | Esamynn|work | is the US still getting a pitty spot at the World Cup? :P |
| 00:00.44 | karl_w_w | US came 8th in 2002 |
| 00:01.05 | Esamynn|work | pfft, don't bring FACTS into this! :P |
| 00:01.24 | karl_w_w | and 3rd in 1930 :P |
| 00:01.30 | nevcairiel | unless you're hosting the thing, you do actually need to qualify properly |
| 00:01.31 | Esamynn|work | ROFL |
| 00:01.49 | Esamynn|work | nevcairiel: again with the facts... |
| 00:02.07 | nevcairiel | and between 1950 and 1990, the US didnt even qualify :P |
| 00:02.15 | Amarande | heh, like brazil will have trouble with the group phase ... they're like the Yankees of FIFA |
| 00:02.32 | Amarande | oh, you mean the original qualifier phase |
| 00:02.34 | karl_w_w | england have never done better than 6th |
| 00:02.36 | Esamynn|work | nevcairiel: jeez, it's like you're looking at the same wikipedia article I was before I made the jibe :P |
| 00:02.42 | karl_w_w | apart from when they won, of course :P |
| 00:02.52 | nevcairiel | Esamynn|work: unlikely, i'm using the german one! |
| 00:02.58 | Esamynn|work | touche |
| 00:03.42 | nevcairiel | its hard to judge if the US has a chance to get out of the group phase |
| 00:03.52 | nevcairiel | it depends how portugal plays in the next matches |
| 00:03.57 | Esamynn|work | not that I have anything to brag about.... I don't believe Canada has ever qualified |
| 00:04.16 | karl_w_w | nevcairiel, it's football |
| 00:04.24 | karl_w_w | anything can happen on match day |
| 00:05.11 | Esamynn|work | even something actually exciting |
| 00:05.13 | nevcairiel | Esamynn|work: once actually |
| 00:05.20 | Esamynn|work | I'm shocked |
| 00:05.42 | nevcairiel | and then failed as the last in their group |
| 00:05.56 | nevcairiel | well its just not a north american sport! |
| 00:06.14 | karl_w_w | canada got to the world cup once and went out without scoring a goal :P |
| 00:06.33 | Esamynn|work | sounds about right |
| 00:07.10 | karl_w_w | quebec has their own team and they've never even come close to making it, if that makes you feel any better :P |
| 00:08.25 | Esamynn|work | shrugs |
| 00:08.35 | nevcairiel | would they even allow that |
| 00:08.55 | nevcairiel | its not like its a country |
| 00:09.26 | Esamynn|work | they just think they are |
| 00:10.28 | karl_w_w | well fuck, you're actually supposed to pronounce the final C in coup de grâce |
| 00:10.43 | Gnarfoz | gz |
| 00:10.53 | Gnarfoz | welcome to French |
| 00:11.09 | karl_w_w | I studied french but I never even thought of it |
| 00:12.30 | Mr_Rabies | lol i did the unlock stuff for the lion's landing and all the npcs are knee deep in the ground |
| 00:16.39 | Mr_Rabies | jeez the jigglebones on my priest's belt go totally nuts when i'm on a flying mount |
| 00:20.37 | Amarande | karl: well yeah, it's mercy blow, not fat blow :) |
| 00:20.46 | Amarande | you've been saying "coup de gras" :P |
| 00:25.06 | karl_w_w | I doubt I have ever said it actually |
| 00:25.42 | karl_w_w | so I've only thought wrong, I've never been wrong! :P |
| 00:38.42 | Mr_Rabies | coup de poulet |
| 00:54.19 | Wobin | the chicken revolution? |
| 00:55.29 | ccox | weird, warcraft says every server is currently down |
| 00:56.58 | ccox | looks like a glitch in the realm display. |
| 00:57.27 | kd3 | they just pushed a point patch, restart the client |
| 00:57.31 | kd3 | s/point/client/ |
| 00:57.45 | ccox | I did restart the client, twice |
| 00:57.53 | kd3 | is currently downloading a fresh live build in BNA |
| 00:58.14 | ccox | and it still shows the realms as down, even though I connected and am active on one |
| 00:59.35 | ccox | ok, realms now show up |
| 00:59.46 | ccox | guess the battle.net status was a bit behind reality |
| 01:00.42 | kd3 | but yeah, def a new build... 18414 |
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| 01:33.30 | Simca | yeah, a exe patch |
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| 01:42.03 | relaxok | so the toc is supposed to be loaded in order right? it loads MoneyFrame.lua which needs to call shit on stuff like _G[frameName.."GoldButton"] but that button isnt constructed until the .xml file which is AFTER the .lua in the toc.. how dose that work? |
| 01:42.04 | relaxok | does* |
| 01:42.41 | relaxok | when you dofile a lua file it generally needs all that stuff to exist right? |
| 01:45.13 | Esamynn|work | depends |
| 01:46.13 | Esamynn|work | when defining a method, Lua doesn't care if what it is referencinga actually exists. it won't error or even attempt to resolve them until the method is actually called |
| 01:47.19 | relaxok | luaL_dofile will run everything though won't it? |
| 01:47.44 | relaxok | i was under the impression you were supposed to do that to make sure there were no problems with it |
| 01:48.42 | Esamynn|work | stuff in methods doesn't run until you call it |
| 01:49.00 | relaxok | so when the lua appears in the toc it just loads it to have it available but doesn't run any methods? |
| 01:49.02 | Esamynn|work | loading the file simply parses the methods and builds their prototypes and closures |
| 01:49.13 | relaxok | as in lua_loadfile instead of luaL_dofile |
| 01:49.23 | Esamynn|work | correct, assuming nothing at the root of the file makes a method call |
| 01:49.54 | Esamynn|work | loadfile and dofile are different, iirc |
| 01:50.03 | Esamynn|work | but subtly so |
| 01:50.41 | nevcairiel | how would it possibly work any different then it does now, you cant just blindly run all code in the file during init, it would cause all kind of crazy things |
| 01:51.16 | nevcairiel | functions need to be called with proper state and whatnot, and only then it resolves global references |
| 01:51.43 | Esamynn|work | loadfile just loads the contents of the file, essentially wrapped in a method... do file is loadfile, with a call to the loaded file "method" at the end |
| 01:52.19 | nevcairiel | so practically, one is loadstring("") and one is loadstring("")() ? :p |
| 01:52.31 | Esamynn|work | precisely |
| 01:55.36 | Esamynn|work | however, the upshot there is that until you call the method returned by loadfile none of the contents there of are actually defined, including both the methods and global variables |
| 01:55.49 | Esamynn|work | which is why you have do file |
| 01:56.29 | relaxok | so when do you run dofile? |
| 01:56.31 | Esamynn|work | relaxok: what would you expect to happen if you defined a method INSIDE a method inside one of your files, but never called the containing method? |
| 01:56.42 | Simca | _G[frameName.."GoldButton"] - afaik this doesn't cause an error because it requires a variable to be compounded with a string. if you referenced the button directly in that lua, it would error |
| 01:57.08 | Esamynn|work | Simca: not exactly, no |
| 01:57.28 | relaxok | it does cause an error because you're calling :EnableMouse on it but it doesn't exist |
| 01:57.31 | relaxok | its like a null pointer |
| 01:57.43 | relaxok | as far as i can tell |
| 01:57.52 | Simca | it's fairly odd though, blizzard doesn't typically call .lua files in the .toc at all |
| 01:57.55 | Esamynn|work | that's exactly what it is |
| 01:58.11 | Simca | they call the .xml and the .xml defines the .lua as a script as the second line of the xml |
| 01:58.11 | relaxok | there's a bunch.. |
| 01:58.27 | relaxok | there's 16 .lua iles in the framexml toc |
| 01:58.30 | relaxok | files* |
| 01:58.37 | relaxok | i was trying to dofile them as i go |
| 01:58.38 | relaxok | which caused that |
| 01:58.41 | Esamynn|work | BUT, this is a dynamic language, the contents of all non-local variables are resolved only at RUNTIME |
| 01:59.01 | relaxok | so now since im just doing loadfile, there's no problem, but will it be bad to run one of them then? |
| 01:59.06 | relaxok | do i ever need to dofile at all? |
| 01:59.10 | nevcairiel | yeah, it shouldnt cause any issues unless the body of the file actually calls that code directly |
| 01:59.17 | kd3 | heh, a wow dev is complaining about shallow-vs-deep copies in lua atm |
| 01:59.32 | Esamynn|work | O_o |
| 01:59.38 | kd3 | https://twitter.com/pedrothedagger/status/478714969916067841 |
| 01:59.40 | nevcairiel | lua doesnt have any copies |
| 01:59.55 | relaxok | or i guess, what is the point of dofile then in a system like wow? |
| 02:00.24 | Esamynn|work | kd3: am I being pedantic to point out that that statement is wrong? |
| 02:00.29 | Simca | 'advanced scripting' - i'm guessing he is one of the people writing WoW cutscenes in Lua via SceneScript.db2 |
| 02:00.41 | nevcairiel | technically tables are also copied by value, except that their value is a bit more complex |
| 02:01.19 | nevcairiel | by reference would mean you modify the actual variable it came from, but thats not true |
| 02:01.22 | Esamynn|work | relaxok: dofile sounds like what you want, but I'm not entirely sure what you're doing |
| 02:02.03 | relaxok | Esamynn|work: basically creating the Wow UI in a self contained app to see if i can parse everything into a UI system |
| 02:02.07 | Arrowmaster | pickup my new car tomorrow |
| 02:02.12 | kd3 | yay arrow |
| 02:02.27 | Arrowmaster | 2012 mazda3 with 15.2k miles on it! |
| 02:02.36 | TC-Work | I was thinking of getting the same thing...but in a 2014 version, and s Grand Touring |
| 02:02.38 | kd3 | nice. I quite like my '06 mazda3 |
| 02:02.50 | Esamynn|work | I'm assuming you've loaded all the Lua files referenced in the XML up to that point? |
| 02:02.57 | kd3 | still working very well, but not having an aux in port is annoying |
| 02:03.01 | relaxok | Esamynn|work: yes.. just changed those from dofile to loadfile |
| 02:03.20 | Arrowmaster | TC-Work: i Touring, its all i had to work with for manual transmissions |
| 02:03.37 | TC-Work | Heh, I currently drive a '93 Chevy Lumina, I have dick as far as tech. |
| 02:03.43 | relaxok | Esamynn|work: like i said if you dofile them in that order, MoneyFrame.lua is trying to access stuff that hasn't been built yet |
| 02:03.55 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: I enjoy stick, but not in traffic. |
| 02:03.57 | Esamynn|work | if you just use loadfile...there won't be anything actually defined in the global context |
| 02:03.58 | kd3 | wait, a true manual? not just one with a clutchless shifter? |
| 02:04.07 | Arrowmaster | true 6 speed manual |
| 02:04.19 | Arrowmaster | with clutch |
| 02:04.24 | relaxok | now my problem is that my xml reader doesn't parse anything not in tags, so all those <Scripts> tags with lua lines in them are ignored.. UGH |
| 02:04.41 | Esamynn|work | that could be the problem ;) |
| 02:04.41 | relaxok | Esamynn|work: that sucks.. so you have to run the whole file then? |
| 02:04.55 | relaxok | Esamynn|work: or maybe you dofile if it hasn't been done yet when you first call something in it? |
| 02:05.05 | relaxok | by that time the xml will have made those buttons etc |
| 02:05.06 | Esamynn|work | yes, but nothing in the methods defined in the file will actually execute |
| 02:05.09 | Arrowmaster | i cant really think of any options the i Touring doesnt have that i would want |
| 02:05.24 | Esamynn|work | the act of "running" a function statement simply defines its closure |
| 02:05.41 | Arrowmaster | other leather interior etc |
| 02:06.33 | Esamynn|work | and keep in mind, the XML also defines a lot of global variables simply as handles to frames |
| 02:07.06 | Esamynn|work | so your program could easily be choking because you haven't defined those variables |
| 02:07.08 | relaxok | Esamynn|work: right.. i am doing that in my code |
| 02:07.26 | relaxok | Esamynn|work: every UI frame/element that's created defines itself as that name in the global namespace |
| 02:07.26 | Arrowmaster | when i first drove off the lot for the test drive i almost freaked out about the steering wheel until i figured out it was telescopic |
| 02:07.43 | Esamynn|work | sounds right |
| 02:08.02 | Esamynn|work | dofile is definitely what you want though |
| 02:08.29 | relaxok | im telling you though it doesnt work |
| 02:08.33 | relaxok | MoneyFrame.lua is BEFORE the xml in the toc |
| 02:08.39 | relaxok | so the frame doesn't even exist yet |
| 02:08.44 | Esamynn|work | right |
| 02:08.46 | Esamynn|work | so? |
| 02:08.48 | relaxok | so you can't dofile it |
| 02:08.55 | relaxok | at least, not at the time the toc lodas it |
| 02:08.57 | relaxok | loads |
| 02:09.09 | relaxok | so then when is it dofile'd? |
| 02:10.30 | relaxok | http://bh.polpo.org/mainmenubar.png |
| 02:10.31 | relaxok | whee |
| 02:10.31 | relaxok | =) |
| 02:10.43 | relaxok | was a surprising amount of work just to get that all layed out correctly |
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| 02:11.03 | Esamynn|work | sorry, browser crash |
| 02:11.18 | Esamynn|work | I lost everything after my last outgoing message |
| 02:11.18 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: I actually prefer good cloth to leather. |
| 02:11.40 | relaxok | <Esamynn|work> right <Esamynn|work> so? <relaxok> so you can't dofile it <relaxok> at least, not at the time the toc lodas it |
| 02:11.48 | relaxok | <relaxok> loads <relaxok> so then when is it dofile'd? |
| 02:12.11 | Esamynn|work | (sorry no history) what error are you getting when you use dofile? |
| 02:12.20 | Arrowmaster | TC-Work: i havent had a chance to really compare them, but i like premium cloth |
| 02:12.34 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: It works better in the heat imo |
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| 02:13.26 | Arrowmaster | the mazda3 does seem to have a little worse visibility than my saturn sc, it will take some getting used to |
| 02:13.28 | karl_w_w | browser IRC? DansGame |
| 02:13.39 | karl_w_w | hands up if you understand the irony ^ |
| 02:14.00 | relaxok | Esamynn|work: a nil value in MoneyFrame.lua online 284 or whatever.. _G[frameName.."GoldButton"]:EnableMouse(true); |
| 02:14.07 | Esamynn|work | karl_w_w: freenode webchat... work firewall :( |
| 02:14.08 | TC-Work | Every new sedan has worse visibility than my car which is really annoying. |
| 02:14.09 | relaxok | Esamynn|work: because it's before the xml in the toc |
| 02:14.45 | TC-Work | Esamynn|work: Work blocks ssh as well? |
| 02:15.09 | Arrowmaster | that reminds me i should setup a vpn or ssh tunnel before my night shift tomorrow |
| 02:15.11 | Esamynn|work | so... what is calling the MoneyFrame_SetType() function? |
| 02:15.25 | Arrowmaster | im using up my mobile data too fast |
| 02:15.50 | Esamynn|work | TC-Work: blocks everything |
| 02:16.06 | Esamynn|work | web access is through a proxy |
| 02:16.20 | TC-Work | Yea, that will be implemented here soon. |
| 02:16.29 | Esamynn|work | used to be able to ssh out :/ |
| 02:16.32 | Esamynn|work | many years ago |
| 02:17.25 | Esamynn|work | i could build a tunnel through the proxy over http if I really wanted, but had no real reason to do so |
| 02:18.03 | pompy1 | Fisker: so you ! http://kotaku.com/kid-developer-pranks-steam-gets-suspended-from-steam-1591730839 |
| 02:19.30 | Esamynn|work | relaxok: you can essentially simulate what dofile is doing by copying the contents of MoneyFrame_SetType method into an interactive Lua prompt |
| 02:19.38 | Esamynn|work | the entire definition |
| 02:19.47 | Esamynn|work | you won't get that error until you actually CALL the method after defining it |
| 02:23.19 | Simca | while this isn't an elegant solution, can't you just alter the toc? |
| 02:23.44 | Esamynn|work | that's not the solution to his problem. something else is wrong |
| 02:29.37 | Esamynn|work | relaxok: I can execute dofile on MoneyFrame.lua in a BLANK lua interpreter with no errors |
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| 02:37.48 | relaxok | Esamynn|work: i'm telling you i run dofile on it and it fails there |
| 02:40.36 | relaxok | Esamynn|work: okay actually you're right |
| 02:41.04 | relaxok | Esamynn|work: i forgot i was auto-calling OnLoad |
| 02:43.07 | relaxok | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts/OnLoad |
| 02:43.11 | relaxok | i don't really understand when this runs |
| 02:43.26 | relaxok | the frames are all created when the game runs arent they? |
| 02:46.22 | relaxok | Esamynn|work: are you able to run UIParent.lua? |
| 02:46.40 | relaxok | http://pastebin.com/S7d5EXLV |
| 02:46.44 | relaxok | i get an error on line 37 there |
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| 02:46.49 | relaxok | run = dofile |
| 02:47.47 | relaxok | also that block of code is confusing.. it's using tables with the name of frame names that haven't been created yet |
| 02:48.04 | relaxok | e.g. CastingBarFrame |
| 02:52.55 | Neffi | relaxok: OnLoad is run on frames defined by XML files, right after the game builds them |
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| 03:06.56 | Esamynn|work | relaxok: did you account for virtual frames? (ie. templates) |
| 03:17.56 | jleclanche | My git repository indicator bugged out and was not present for a minute |
| 03:18.03 | jleclanche | fuck, I got so scared. completely helpless |
| 03:18.06 | jleclanche | "what do i do now" |
| 03:18.24 | jleclanche | took me like 5 mins to figure out how to do git status |
| 03:29.25 | jleclanche | https://github.com/blog/1851-octicons-for-everyone |
| 03:29.25 | jleclanche | :D |
| 03:32.30 | jleclanche | sweet its ofl1.1/mit |
| 03:33.59 | Amarande | gah, fuck you small glimmering shards |
| 03:34.22 | Amarande | seriously, they are the ugly ducklings of the enchanting profession, and no they don't grow up into swans LOL |
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| 03:35.24 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 03:35.28 | Esamynn|work | I remember those |
| 03:36.02 | Dagmar | Probably easier to find a gnomish widget for making them from unicorn tears |
| 03:36.07 | Dagmar | ...or just buy 'em |
| 03:36.28 | Dagmar | I keep no more than five of anything now |
| 03:37.11 | Dagmar | becuase screw it, I can three-shot a guy who drops 250g now |
| 03:37.53 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 03:38.10 | Dagmar | Kill boss, hearth, buy shards. 0 darns given. |
| 03:38.41 | Amarande | Dagmar: no, the problem is when you're leveling enchanting on a new character you keep GETTING small glimmering shards |
| 03:38.56 | Amarande | and dog poop would probably be more useful |
| 03:39.05 | Dagmar | They go into the AH just fine |
| 03:39.11 | Amarande | (actually, it is, given that there's a quest where you actually get xp and a reward for digging through dog poop LOL) |
| 03:39.47 | Amarande | Dagmar: and then they sit |
| 03:39.49 | kd3 | a quest? http://wowpedia.org/Category:Coprophilic_quests |
| 03:39.54 | kd3 | try 11 |
| 03:39.57 | Dagmar | ...that is, after you're done of making 200 copies of Enchant Mustache: Lesser Shiny |
| 03:40.09 | Esamynn|work | rofl |
| 03:40.17 | Amarande | because there's like 5 things you can do with them, and they're all so weak and so wasteful of mats that they're not even any good for leveling enchanting with |
| 03:40.28 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 03:40.31 | Dagmar | Yeah but those five things are done in a jiffy |
| 03:40.53 | Dagmar | It's with good reason I set limits on my hoarding |
| 03:41.13 | Dagmar | Hell I got Alchemy over 300 just on "some crap I had lying around" and I didn't even have a Herbalist |
| 03:41.57 | Dagmar | Now I sort of symbolically turn the canvas Bag O' Loot upside down over the auction house NPC and walk away |
| 03:42.27 | Dagmar | Later, money shows up in easily stackable amounts in my mailbox, or it doesn't. I don't care. |
| 03:43.23 | Esamynn|work | Dagmar: I think that's a healthy attitude... I would do the same if I cared enough to take the time to post the auctions to empty my various bags =D |
| 03:43.44 | Dagmar | I use Auctioneer to just "whatever*click*" my way through it |
| 03:44.02 | Dagmar | Just as long as the prices are close to reasonable, I'm fine |
| 03:44.09 | Dagmar | My time is more valuable by far |
| 03:44.21 | Dagmar | ...and my collection of novelty whatsises |
| 03:44.44 | Esamynn|work | I don't scan the AH at all anymore, my auctioneer has no idea what a reasonable price is anymore for anything |
| 03:44.52 | Dagmar | ...and for sure there are other people doing precisely the same thing |
| 03:45.25 | Dagmar | Heck as far as I care the "right now" prices are *probably* fine |
| 03:45.33 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 03:45.53 | Esamynn|work | I also can't be bothered to even take the time to do the posting, even assuming I had prices even close to reasonable |
| 03:45.57 | Dagmar | Occasionally some things get listed for stupid prices, but I'd be more worried that I was overpricing something than underpricing it |
| 03:46.00 | Esamynn|work | I' |
| 03:46.02 | Dagmar | If someone else can use it, great |
| 03:46.13 | Esamynn|work | I'm sitting on about 50k gold between my chars, I just don't worry about it |
| 03:46.18 | Dagmar | Same here |
| 03:46.34 | Dagmar | Shortly after the last expansion I was like "When the hell did I get 75,000 gold?" |
| 03:46.49 | Dagmar | It was because I started just _getting rid of the crap_ I was hoarding |
| 03:46.56 | Esamynn|work | might be more now, my net gold value seems to steadily creep up these days |
| 03:47.03 | Esamynn|work | now that I don't raid regularly anymore |
| 03:47.08 | Dagmar | Clearly, it was way more crap than I could use, or I would have used it for something already |
| 03:47.14 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 03:48.01 | Dagmar | UNtil I quit my mailboxes wer universally 100 items deep |
| 03:48.22 | Dagmar | ...and I do mean 100 pieces of mail, stuffed full of crap I was tossing back and forth |
| 03:48.29 | Esamynn|work | hahaha |
| 03:48.39 | Dagmar | "Medium-sized pile of gold" is much easier to keep track of |
| 03:48.59 | Esamynn|work | okay... you were way deeper in crap than I have EVER been |
| 03:49.21 | Dagmar | Hell I was using some lua hooks too dangerous to be exposed to children to do some of the managing |
| 03:49.22 | Esamynn|work | I'm assuming that was after you maxed out your server with bank alts or regular alts |
| 03:49.31 | Esamynn|work | ROFL |
| 03:49.35 | Dagmar | No it was just four or five toons |
| 03:49.42 | Esamynn|work | I know exactly the sort you mean |
| 03:49.57 | Esamynn|work | bank alts.... wonderful thing |
| 03:50.00 | Fisker | old pompy1 |
| 03:50.12 | Dagmar | Yes I had two alts that were literally just 30-day holders |
| 03:50.28 | Fisker | "something valve has taken very seriously" |
| 03:50.33 | Dagmar | I never logged into them, I just expected that after 30 days the mail would come back at me |
| 03:50.33 | Amarande | generally speaking, I try to level up professions as far as possible without using the AH, though |
| 03:50.34 | Fisker | "Doesn't do anything when reported" |
| 03:50.34 | Fisker | kk |
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| 03:50.53 | Esamynn|work | god damnit, this build is approching an hour longer than it's average run time |
| 03:50.59 | Amarande | basically, it tends to go like this, I take the matching gathering prof that goes with the crafting prof (if applicable, i.e., anything but tailoring and enchanting, which go together) |
| 03:51.00 | Esamynn|work | FINISH ALREADY SO I CAN GO HOME! |
| 03:51.06 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yeah that's how I wound up at 300 in alchemu just from scraping flowers out of my mailboxes |
| 03:51.27 | Amarande | then I don't touch the AH until I've reached the point where I no longer get the particular mats I need but still need some |
| 03:51.50 | Dagmar | However, it is very _tedious_ to go scrabbling around in 100+ mails |
| 03:52.01 | Dagmar | Clicking around the AH, mere minutes |
| 03:53.10 | Dagmar | Should the universe wobble on it's axis and we get bidding queues in the next expansion there will be no sense in hoarding crap anymore |
| 03:53.45 | Dagmar | It'll be eaier to just drop some bid orders in and check on them tomorrow |
| 03:53.59 | Dagmar | If someone wants to go pick flowers for me, fine |
| 03:54.00 | Amarande | next expansion is going to be a nice breath of fresh air for crafting |
| 03:54.15 | Amarande | no more 'profession perks' to have to min-max, those are going away :) |
| 03:54.36 | Dagmar | I am not sure those were ever particularly useful to worry about in the first place |
| 03:54.47 | Esamynn|work | did they remove things like ring enchants as well? |
| 03:54.47 | Amarande | (I'm still not sure how that will work, like if the profession specific enchants, say, are being removed altogether, or if they're just going to be nerfed to be the same as the regular versions and perhaps only retain the lesser mats requirements) |
| 03:54.55 | Esamynn|work | or rather, are they? |
| 03:54.56 | Dagmar | Woowoo five more points of damage against animals |
| 03:55.07 | Amarande | Esamynn: good question ... ring enchants and the extra sockets probably would have to go away |
| 03:55.20 | Amarande | since those are only available via the profession |
| 03:55.29 | Esamynn|work | indeed, those were the reasons for the additional of the profession perks in the first place |
| 03:55.48 | Amarande | I'm wondering about the LW, Inscription, and Tailoring special enchants though, whether those will be gone altogether or if they will be nerfed to equivalent to the tradable version |
| 03:55.49 | Dagmar | Their utility was always pretty small |
| 03:56.09 | Esamynn|work | I'm still working my way through the alpha patch notes in small bites |
| 03:56.13 | Esamynn|work | right now I' |
| 03:56.17 | Amarande | I'm also not sure what will become of existing bonus sockets or ring enchants |
| 03:56.23 | Dagmar | I intend to just be utterly bewildered for awhile |
| 03:56.26 | Esamynn|work | I'm seriously hating on the Druid ability pruning |
| 03:56.46 | Amarande | since oftentimes things are removed simply by no longer providing level appropriate ones going forward, rather than retro-removing the legacy stuff |
| 03:56.50 | Dagmar | ...but it's not like this isn't the what... fourth complete round of L2P mode or something |
| 03:56.52 | Amarande | that's why there's still gems with spellpower for instance |
| 03:57.18 | Amarande | or were for a while, IIRC |
| 03:57.30 | Esamynn|work | maybe they'll use this opportunity to flat out remove some of that cruft |
| 03:57.36 | Dagmar | They were useful for Hunters., ;) |
| 03:57.41 | Amarande | seems like they mostly don't bother to remove legacy cruft unless it's something that's being removed altogether |
| 03:57.52 | Amarande | e.g., hit has to be changed to something else because there's no SUCH THING as hit rating anymore |
| 03:58.11 | Amarande | not like say spellpower, where basically it became a poorer version of intellect if it happened to remain on a few gear items (mostly old greens and I think gems) |
| 03:58.24 | Dagmar | ...and hunter staves |
| 03:58.34 | Dagmar | I miss having a whacking stick. |
| 03:58.53 | Esamynn|work | like I said, they are doing such a drastic overhaul, I'd say they're better off clearing a way a lot of that kind of stuff entirely |
| 03:58.56 | Dagmar | Now I have no way to waggle things at druids and say "Wow look at all the tentacles/flowers on this!" |
| 03:59.18 | Esamynn|work | this is, by far, the largest overhaul the game systems have ever had |
| 03:59.23 | Dagmar | I killed a boss in Kara once with my "wiggly stick" |
| 03:59.57 | Amarande | yeah, I'm also hoping they fix lower level bandages and healing potions |
| 04:00.08 | Amarande | atm, they are so weak they are not even worth the few seconds it takes to use one |
| 04:00.20 | Dagmar | This is true |
| 04:00.35 | Dagmar | Oh wow, I'm almost dead. Let me sit down and eat a cookie. |
| 04:00.37 | Dagmar | All better. |
| 04:00.48 | Amarande | and low level food, too |
| 04:01.08 | Amarande | although till maybe 30 or so you tend to regen so fast you don't even really need to eat anyway |
| 04:01.26 | Dagmar | Also mostly true |
| 04:01.27 | Amarande | and as an ellie shaman it's faster to just cast healing surge after a dustup |
| 04:01.36 | Dagmar | My last two noobs I just ate whatever was dropping |
| 04:02.41 | Amarande | this expansion pack seems like it will be very good to be an ellie shaman in |
| 04:03.01 | pnorman | finally |
| 04:04.09 | Amarande | not that it's ever been bad to be an ellie shaman, it seems |
| 04:04.58 | Amarande | wow, arathi highlands quest achievement is apparently as spare for horde as it is for alliance |
| 04:05.11 | Amarande | I'm still surprised it's the quickest quest achievement in the game ... even Silithus has more |
| 04:08.06 | Amarande | well for alliance it wasn't surprising, but I always thought horde had more to do here |
| 04:09.06 | Amarande | though I'm still not very familiar with most of the Horde content post cata, especially in the 1-60 range |
| 04:09.38 | pompy1 | http://www.forbes.com/sites/billkoenig/2014/06/16/general-motors-recalls-another-3-16-million-vehicles-boosts-quarter-recall-tab-to-700-million/ jesus |
| 04:12.19 | Amarande | gaaaahhhh |
| 04:12.43 | Arrowmaster | GM said it will make fixes to the keys of the recalled vehicles “in the next few weeks” |
| 04:12.47 | Amarande | let's see. I can get some strange dust which I don't need more of but sells well. I can get a lesser astral essence I actually need a couple more of to level chanting at this point. OR I CAN GET A STUPID SMALL GLIMMERING SHARD |
| 04:12.49 | Amarande | damn you, RNG |
| 04:13.05 | Arrowmaster | yeah weve been waiting for months now for them to fix my dads chevy for the exact same issue |
| 04:13.09 | Amarande | you know what I want to see for 6.0, a way to 'break down' shards into essences or dusts of similar item level |
| 04:13.34 | Amarande | it would be probably rarely used for higher level blues but would be nice for those low level shards that are no good for anything useful |
| 04:15.03 | pompy1 | at this rate, just recall your entire line of cars, GM :D |
| 04:20.17 | airtonix | Torhal: it's Guy Smiles latest movie. |
| 04:23.05 | airtonix | http://mangafox.me/manga/all_you_need_is_kill/ |
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| 04:48.18 | karl_w_w | kills airtonix |
| 04:48.32 | karl_w_w | is such a giver |
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| 05:41.48 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 05:46.43 | karl_w_w | http://games.on.net/2014/06/ubisoft-game-the-review/ heheh |
| 05:50.04 | relaxok | urf |
| 05:50.33 | relaxok | i've still got errors but not a huge huge amount |
| 05:54.24 | Thunder_Child | Just think how bored you would be if everything worked. |
| 05:54.34 | relaxok | http://pastebin.com/fZs6zMcJ |
| 05:56.11 | Simca | Stack begin: [[ `E:\MMOSDK\Data\Interface\FrameXML\ActionButton.lua:16: attempt to index global 'C_PetBattles' (a nil value)' |
| 05:56.12 | Simca | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.30 | Simca | C_PetBattles is part of the C-based Lua API, it should always exist. |
| 05:57.43 | Simca | looks like a ton of those errors are just because of earlier errors too |
| 05:57.53 | Simca | I think there are only probably 2-3 real errors in that bunch |
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| 06:00.17 | relaxok | a few are because i haven't implemented CreateFrame |
| 06:00.31 | relaxok | the first one is real odd though |
| 06:01.07 | Simca | what's the line in question (UIParent:1365) say? |
| 06:01.12 | relaxok | when you say C-based Lua API what do you mean? (keep in mind im making all this so if i havent added it it doesn't exist) |
| 06:02.11 | Simca | well if C_PetBattles truly wasn't working properly you'd have a thousand more errors |
| 06:02.26 | Simca | so there's something about it being called directly that is an issue |
| 06:02.31 | Simca | it is a table of functions |
| 06:02.42 | relaxok | UIParent:1365 is line 36 in this chunk: |
| 06:02.44 | relaxok | http://pastebin.com/ZV9PQ61Q |
| 06:02.51 | relaxok | 37* |
| 06:03.52 | relaxok | UIPARENT_MANAGED_FRAME_POSITIONS is set up right before it, so i dont know how it can't exist, unless it failed to be created but isn't saying so |
| 06:03.57 | Simca | yeah that's pretty odd |
| 06:04.18 | relaxok | here's soemthing weird too, if you look at the comments in there, it's saying 'these indexes require global variables of the same name to be declared' |
| 06:04.31 | relaxok | but like CONTAINER_OFFSET_X isnt declared until ContainerFrame |
| 06:05.25 | relaxok | which is loaded a lot later |
| 06:05.43 | Simca | i assume pairs() is working right? |
| 06:05.44 | relaxok | but maybe it doesnt mean it needs to exist already |
| 06:06.01 | relaxok | is pairs basic lua lib stuff? |
| 06:06.03 | relaxok | i have no idea |
| 06:06.09 | Simca | i believe so |
| 06:06.18 | Simca | but there are a few basic lua functions that are slightly altered |
| 06:06.20 | Simca | for wow |
| 06:06.28 | Simca | so that will trip you up if you use basic libs only |
| 06:06.38 | relaxok | before i fixed some bugs because blizz lua uses bit.or and stuff like that that isnt in the basic lua package, but i integrated luabitop into the lua build and fixed those |
| 06:07.19 | Simca | i have http://www.wowpedia.org/Lua_functions#String_Functions bookmarked because of that |
| 06:08.24 | Simca | wipe/table.wipe is custom, as well as the six string functions listed as being custom on that page |
| 06:08.47 | relaxok | ahhh hmm |
| 06:09.23 | relaxok | that's an interesting thought.. pairs being the problem |
| 06:09.40 | relaxok | or at least working differently |
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| 06:10.46 | Simca | well i mean you're right, it can't be that UIPARENT_MANAGED_FRAME_POSITIONS is nil because it's clearly defined right there |
| 06:11.09 | Simca | but if pairs is returning nil to the for loop then the error is the same |
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| 06:27.09 | relaxok | i get a different error when i change it to 'pairz' it says that it can't find the global |
| 06:27.16 | relaxok | so pairs exists or whatever |
| 06:27.31 | relaxok | http://wowpedia.org/API_pairs |
| 06:27.43 | Torhal | Don't forget that string.format has positional formatting that was removed after Lua 4.0 - Blizzard needed it for localizations, so they hacks it back into their version of Lua 5.1 |
| 06:28.04 | Torhal | s/hacks/hacked/ |
| 06:28.18 | relaxok | i figured there would be some stuff like that |
| 06:28.20 | relaxok | urgh |
| 06:28.45 | relaxok | is for _, data in pairs(UIPARENT_MANAGED_FRAME_POSITIONS)do |
| 06:28.49 | relaxok | somehow bad in lua 5.2? |
| 06:30.17 | Neffi | no |
| 06:30.18 | Torhal | No. |
| 06:31.09 | Torhal | relaxok: http://www.lua.org/manual/4.0/manual.html <-- string.format stuff is in there. Look for "n-th argument" |
| 06:31.15 | relaxok | i wish the error was a bit more helpful |
| 06:32.04 | Neffi | wbat's the error? |
| 06:32.12 | relaxok | http://pastebin.com/fZs6zMcJ |
| 06:32.14 | relaxok | the first one there |
| 06:32.56 | Neffi | did you check whatever function is being called on 1365 actually exists? |
| 06:33.29 | relaxok | http://pastebin.com/ZV9PQ61Q |
| 06:33.31 | relaxok | it's line 36 there |
| 06:33.41 | relaxok | damn.. again.. 37* |
| 06:34.13 | Neffi | weird. assert(pairs) ? |
| 06:34.27 | Torhal | ...this makes me wonder which version you're using. Line 1365 in UIParent.lua is |
| 06:34.28 | Torhal | -- Events for Pet Journal |
| 06:34.47 | Torhal | goes back to watching shows. |
| 06:34.59 | relaxok | well i guess it's gotten shifted since whatever version this is |
| 06:35.30 | relaxok | but that line is probably still in yours |
| 06:36.07 | relaxok | Neffi: you mean add assert(pairs) before that? |
| 06:36.22 | Neffi | yeah, see if you get assertion failure -- meaning pairs is nil |
| 06:36.59 | relaxok | hmm didn't do anything... |
| 06:37.03 | relaxok | but does that work properly on a dofile? |
| 06:37.38 | Neffi | yeah. assert ensures that you pass it a non-false/nil value, and raises an error otherwise |
| 06:37.58 | Neffi | so if it succeeded, pairs probably exists, and you're looking at the wrong line |
| 06:38.08 | relaxok | okay i'll assert the UIPARENT_* thing |
| 06:38.43 | Neffi | Well it said CALL a nil value. The error would be totally different if you tried to pass pairs a nil value |
| 06:39.20 | relaxok | and it can't be the _ or data? |
| 06:39.40 | Neffi | no. sure you're looking at the right error message even? |
| 06:39.49 | relaxok | yep |
| 06:39.56 | relaxok | i put two asserts in there and ran it again and the error was on 1367 |
| 06:40.00 | relaxok | since i pushed that line 2 lines down |
| 06:40.33 | relaxok | kooky |
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| 07:02.44 | airtonix | hey karl_w_w |
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| 07:12.22 | karl_w_w | airtonix hey |
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| 07:29.09 | airtonix | no karl_w_w |
| 07:30.48 | Workfoz | not so hey? |
| 07:30.53 | Workfoz | paging Fisker |
| 07:31.07 | Torhal | I'm still trying to decide on whether or not to blame you for the heat death of the Universe, airtonix. Stay tuned. |
| 07:31.20 | airtonix | more at 11 |
| 07:31.22 | Workfoz | GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY |
| 07:33.58 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.26 | Torhal | So, basically, you're stating that it's just waiting for the garbage collector to run. |
| 07:34.57 | airtonix | qqmoar |
| 07:40.32 | Torhal | Workfoz: SoBad? |
| 07:40.59 | Alram | why would you want to page Fisker |
| 07:41.05 | Alram | thats like paging the devil |
| 07:41.08 | Alram | bad Workfoz bad |
| 07:41.45 | airtonix | UltraButthurtMode |
| 07:42.05 | Torhal | rewrites all of Alram's code in Sanskrit. |
| 07:42.50 | Alram | i dont even know what that is |
| 07:43.01 | Torhal | Even better! |
| 07:43.16 | relaxok | what's the deal with CreateFrame("FRAME")? |
| 07:43.31 | Alram | but i want to be self aware Torhal |
| 07:43.41 | Torhal | relaxok: You can also create Button, CheckButton, Slider... |
| 07:43.56 | Torhal | They're all types of Frames. |
| 07:44.12 | airtonix | Alram: chatbots posing as mentally and culturally deficient 13 year old boys from ukraine doesn't help you. |
| 07:44.29 | airtonix | nice try though |
| 07:44.42 | Torhal | Alram: You have to first reach Pinocchio stage, then attempt to move on. |
| 07:44.46 | Alram | :( |
| 07:44.50 | Torhal | Though you'd need self awareness to do so. |
| 07:45.01 | Torhal | So, SOL I suppose. |
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| 07:47.16 | relaxok | Torhal: i see |
| 07:49.58 | Torhal | relaxok: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CreateFrame |
| 07:53.47 | relaxok | im trying to get away with not having different types |
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| 07:59.11 | ccox | not really sure how blizzard screwed up the spawn rates on timeless isle, but we just killed 2 "great turtle furryshell" at the same time. |
| 08:24.49 | Kodiack | freenode stahp |
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| 08:28.03 | Simca | <relaxok> im trying to get away with not having different types |
| 08:28.05 | Simca | you -might- be able to pull that off if you gave 'FRAME' every method from every object |
| 08:28.09 | Simca | type |
| 08:28.11 | Simca | repeating because of split: <relaxok> im trying to get away with not having different types |
| 08:28.13 | Simca | you -might- be able to pull that off if you gave 'FRAME' every method from every object type |
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| 09:10.14 | airtonix | btw karl_w_w. ubisoft invented the concept of open world games. they revolutionise the industry with every release. |
| 09:11.35 | Mr_Rabies | nice b8 m8 |
| 09:12.46 | Kalroth | 1 mite call it a ... mastr b8! |
| 09:13.39 | airtonix | you guys are just h8rs |
| 09:14.07 | airtonix | how about you get off your arse and try to do the same thing as ubisoft? |
| 09:15.00 | Kalroth | i am! right this moment i am providing the same experience as their uplay service |
| 09:15.46 | airtonix | i'm sure ubisofts lawyers are going to have words with you soon for concept infringement |
| 09:17.34 | Kalroth | "I'm sure you all remember when radio played the completely silent song for 5 minutes - they got sued and lost. That sets precedence for our copyright on cloud servers with a lot of downtime. Please don't infringe on our concept or we WILL sue!" |
| 09:18.03 | airtonix | keep talking. dig your graves deeper |
| 09:19.47 | karl_w_w | Mr_Rabies, it's "gr8 b8 m8, I r8 8/8" |
| 09:19.58 | zenzelezz | ur also l8 |
| 09:20.11 | karl_w_w | no I'm just on time! |
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| 09:37.27 | airtonix | or are you? |
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| 10:06.36 | jleclanche | "Bring your own food and drink, don't go over your baggage allowance and don't miss the flight for any reason because you'll have an easier time getting straight answers out of a politician than a refund out of Ryanair." |
| 10:09.57 | Kalroth | thats rude, ryanair is a high quality company |
| 10:31.56 | airtonix | Kalroth: i believe you're confusing ryanair with ubisoft |
| 10:32.32 | Kalroth | well excuuuuuuse me |
| 10:32.54 | airtonix | since dean hall now works at ubisoft, it is the pinnacle of revolutionary innovative market disruption |
| 10:33.03 | airtonix | also synergy |
| 10:33.09 | Kalroth | wait what |
| 10:33.28 | Kalroth | ubisoft bought bohemia? |
| 10:33.34 | airtonix | and colab.... colabs always a good marketing word |
| 10:34.02 | airtonix | didn't you know Kalroth? |
| 10:34.13 | airtonix | ubisoft is the only game company |
| 10:34.30 | airtonix | producers of "The Game" |
| 10:34.36 | Kalroth | what about ea! |
| 10:34.49 | airtonix | you mispelled Ubisoft again |
| 10:34.53 | Kalroth | :O |
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| 10:35.10 | airtonix | i mean "Game Company" |
| 10:40.44 | jleclanche | > The Government believes that, even when privacy violations happen, it is not an “active intrusion” because the analyst reading or listening to an individual’s communication will inevitably forget about it anyway. |
| 11:05.52 | airtonix | "It's ok because i forgot i was looking at your tits" |
| 11:06.43 | airtonix | karl_w_w: paraphrased just for you |
| 11:22.47 | karl_w_w | you guys are smart, what can I buy so that a laptop will get a stronger wifi signal? |
| 11:22.58 | airtonix | pringles |
| 11:23.12 | karl_w_w | the laptop apparently is shit at keeping a consistent video stream going |
| 11:23.48 | airtonix | you need to start with a wifi dongle that can use an external antenna |
| 11:24.19 | karl_w_w | no need to be so lewd |
| 11:24.44 | karl_w_w | it must be some setting in the laptop |
| 11:24.53 | airtonix | https://www.google.com.au/search?q=pringles+cantenna&tbm=isch |
| 11:24.56 | karl_w_w | god damn people who buy laptops |
| 11:25.22 | airtonix | or you can just push the wifi dongle into the cantenna |
| 11:25.22 | Kalroth | damn them all! |
| 11:25.59 | karl_w_w | damn them all to hell! |
| 11:26.08 | Kalroth | karl_w_w: http://repair4laptop.org/wireless_lan_antennae.html |
| 11:26.29 | airtonix | http://hackaday.com/2010/04/23/wifi-and-bluetooth-sniffing-rifle/ |
| 11:29.16 | karl_w_w | its a toshiba suckbox |
| 11:29.29 | airtonix | http://www.evdoforums.com/thread15303.html |
| 11:31.19 | karl_w_w | are pringles tubes metal all the way down in the US? |
| 11:32.03 | airtonix | either metal or foil lined |
| 11:32.12 | airtonix | i've made a few with just foil lined ones |
| 11:32.15 | airtonix | http://www.walkingitaly.com/radio/radioprogetti/ANTENNA/ |
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| 11:46.08 | Cairenn | waves |
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| 11:51.04 | karl_w_w | tsunamis back at Cairenn |
| 11:51.16 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 12:59.32 | jleclanche | We can debate how the liver breaks down sugar, or whether milk should be avoided, but that seems inconsequential when people are eating "hamburgers" where the buns are made from two deep fried chicken breasts. |
| 12:59.39 | jleclanche | haha thats a funny hyperbole |
| 12:59.41 | jleclanche | looks it up |
| 12:59.43 | jleclanche | oh my.. |
| 12:59.45 | Lopeppeppy | .... eeew, jleclanche. |
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| 13:04.56 | Kalroth | jleclanche: that sounds delicious, can i add some deep fried snickers bars to that?! |
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| 13:13.19 | airtonix | deep fried cheese coated snickers, with chilli |
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| 13:28.44 | karl_w_w | you've never heard of that jleclanche? |
| 13:28.55 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: I live in a civilized country |
| 13:29.00 | karl_w_w | I tried one, it was way too much food and rather bland |
| 13:29.33 | karl_w_w | it was however the only time I got properly hot food from kfc |
| 13:29.49 | karl_w_w | so you've got to take the positives |
| 13:31.56 | nevcairiel | they didnt seem to sell that one in europe |
| 13:32.31 | karl_w_w | it was a short-term thing here in aus-land |
| 13:32.34 | karl_w_w | "They place two or more people in a form of relationship not created by any other apparatus for the movement of bodies through space . . . What ought to occur is a model in miniature of the well-functioning civil polity, a system of co-operative strangers and an equilibrium of individual interests: the enterer's desire for ingress is presumed to counterbalance the exiter's for egress." |
| 13:32.54 | karl_w_w | first to guess what that is |
| 13:34.16 | nevcairiel | i could tell you since i cheated and googled |
| 13:35.03 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 13:35.45 | karl_w_w | I think it's a rather clever way of describing a sex swing |
| 13:36.21 | karl_w_w | or revolving door as well come to think of it! |
| 13:37.53 | nevcairiel | revolving door is what the article was about that google found it in |
| 13:41.02 | plaw | there's a country that's civilised? |
| 13:41.09 | plaw | INVADE AND BOMB AND DESTROY IT!!! |
| 13:42.46 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.52 | karl_w_w | yes nevcairiel, the sex swing was a joke :P |
| 13:46.13 | nevcairiel | really? i couldnt tell |
| 13:47.06 | nevcairiel | never sure what you aussies are up to |
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| 14:01.45 | airtonix | or down with |
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| 14:38.56 | Wobin | or into |
| 14:46.54 | karl_w_w | or dying of |
| 15:04.57 | airtonix | or stepping on |
| 15:06.05 | Lopeppeppy | Sex swings are serious biznez, not a joke. :P |
| 15:08.50 | airtonix | we just use kangaroos |
| 15:24.52 | Fisker | Hey Lopeppeppy |
| 15:24.58 | Fisker | It's no longer monday |
| 15:25.09 | Lopeppeppy | Thank the stars. |
| 15:25.16 | Lopeppeppy | Tuesdays I get a little sideways. |
| 15:25.40 | Fisker | yay |
| 15:26.06 | Fisker | I got spam to cure both my erectile disfunction AND my menopause |
| 15:41.28 | karl_w_w | Fisker is starting HRT? |
| 15:54.57 | karl_w_w | oh man the internet is so good |
| 15:55.23 | karl_w_w | I pick up a mandarin and thing "hmm, there's gotta be a good way to peel these" |
| 15:55.34 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_640oWdIT70 |
| 15:55.43 | karl_w_w | s/thing/think/ |
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| 16:34.55 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy |
| 16:34.58 | Fisker | today is a happy day |
| 16:35.05 | Fisker | my nvidia driver installed without needing a reboot |
| 16:35.17 | Torhal | I blame the sex swing. |
| 16:35.40 | Lopeppeppy | Why blame, when something finally went right? Save that for next time. |
| 16:35.50 | Torhal | Sorry; habit. |
| 16:36.28 | Fisker | we're talking about the driver right? |
| 16:36.50 | Torhal | I'm not sure of anything anymore, Fisker. |
| 16:36.51 | Arrowmaster | i feel like a teenager again, my car insurance is going up by $600 a year if i dont increase the deductible on this new car |
| 16:37.10 | Fisker | I once killed a guy for car insurance |
| 16:37.23 | Fisker | turns out his car insurance stopped automatically when he died |
| 16:37.26 | Arrowmaster | if it was free it sounds worth it |
| 16:37.49 | Fisker | Killing him certainly was |
| 16:38.14 | Fisker | I would never kill Lopeppeppy though unless she were to not attend Blizzcon 2014 |
| 16:38.22 | Lopeppeppy | Then I am totally a goner. |
| 16:38.28 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:40.13 | Arrowmaster | still trying to sell blizzcon 2014 ticket! |
| 16:41.28 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Not going this time? |
| 16:41.37 | Arrowmaster | no just have an extra |
| 16:41.39 | foxlit | scalper :P |
| 16:41.42 | Torhal | Ah |
| 16:42.04 | Lopeppeppy | Arrowmaster, you're not helping. :P |
| 16:42.21 | Arrowmaster | Lopeppeppy: i think Jelly has two extras |
| 16:42.43 | Lopeppeppy | I know - it's the plane and the rest of the extras I can't do. Buying a new car next year, saving up. |
| 16:43.06 | Arrowmaster | im doing that tonight |
| 16:43.23 | Arrowmaster | 2 weeks ago i wasnt expecting to do it for another few years |
| 16:44.12 | Arrowmaster | http://www.carmax.com/enus/transfers/default.html?sn=10551894&ref_type=4&make=Mazda&model=Mazda3&year=2012&v_type=u&loc_num=7144&name=Jeremy&adcode=ShrCrFaceBk_xfer |
| 16:44.28 | Lopeppeppy | I have the luxury of knowing that my hour commute is going to kill my 13 year old car right quick, so I'm planning ahead for when he tosses a tie rod and says, "I'm done." |
| 16:45.06 | Arrowmaster | 3 hour commute each day in a 12 year old car |
| 16:45.17 | Arrowmaster | i need to move too |
| 16:46.16 | Lopeppeppy | I already moved, where we live is halfway between my job and his job - we both have craptastic commutes. |
| 16:47.12 | Arrowmaster | you must both have good jobs if your willing to do that |
| 16:47.43 | Lopeppeppy | Stable jobs we've had for 5+ years now. The city we live in is the midpoint between two more rural-area schools. |
| 16:48.27 | nevcairiel | Lopeppeppy doesn't sound too happy with her job most days, tho! |
| 16:48.42 | TC-Work | Well with people anyway. |
| 16:48.47 | TC-Work | The job seems fine. |
| 16:49.30 | Lopeppeppy | The people, nevcairiel, like TC says. And there will be asshat users at any job I take, so what's the difference? I get 2 extra weeks of paid vacation, the rest of the benefits are nice, free college classes. |
| 16:50.11 | Fisker | yes Arrowmaster |
| 16:50.14 | Fisker | sell it |
| 16:50.16 | Fisker | SELLLLLLLLLL |
| 16:50.38 | Fisker | Let the Blizzcon flow through you Lopeppeppy |
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| 16:51.24 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, that would be prunes, not Blizcon. |
| 16:51.52 | Fisker | I don't know what prunes are, are they like Blizzcon tickets or something? |
| 16:52.20 | Lopeppeppy | No, they are fruits that make you crap like you've got dysentery. Some people eat them voluntarily, dunno WHY. |
| 16:52.53 | Fisker | hmm |
| 16:52.59 | Fisker | So I ate prunes apparently? |
| 16:53.26 | nevcairiel | they are dried plums really |
| 16:53.55 | Torhal | I so enjoy our mornings together. |
| 16:54.32 | Fisker | Well atleast somebody are |
| 16:54.40 | nevcairiel | man its way too hot today again |
| 16:54.47 | TC-Work | Except that Torhal lies. |
| 16:54.54 | nevcairiel | weather here is so weird, it alternates between rain storm and hot sun |
| 16:55.13 | nevcairiel | somehow in a daily rhythm |
| 16:55.23 | TC-Work | Does that here as well. |
| 16:55.30 | Fisker | Kind of like my craps nevcairiel |
| 16:55.31 | Fisker | lol |
| 16:55.44 | Lopeppeppy | ... I never did mind about the little things. |
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| 16:56.43 | nevcairiel | apparently thunderstorms this evening as well |
| 16:56.52 | nevcairiel | must be storm season |
| 16:57.41 | Lopeppeppy | No way! |
| 16:57.52 | g0urra | Ya wai! |
| 16:58.22 | Fisker | but you know what nevcairiel ? |
| 16:58.32 | Fisker | At least we won't be several hours without power |
| 16:58.38 | Fisker | get it? |
| 16:58.57 | nevcairiel | no |
| 16:59.10 | Fisker | why not? |
| 17:01.03 | Fisker | maybe it's a german thing what do you think Lopeppeppy ? |
| 17:01.45 | Lopeppeppy | I have no idea. I mean, I get thunderstorms in the US too. |
| 17:02.39 | Torhal | Do they have rhythm, though, Lopeppeppy? Mine certainly do not. |
| 17:03.13 | Lopeppeppy | In late july and early august, yes - every bloody damn afternoon. |
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| 17:04.00 | Fisker | no Lopeppeppy I meant the part about not getting that we won't be without power |
| 17:07.23 | Lopeppeppy | We'll have plenty of air-borne electrictiy during the power outage? |
| 17:07.36 | Shirik | so amazon just sent me an email |
| 17:07.50 | Shirik | "Now we are doing it again for music — introducing Prime Music, the newest benefit of your membership. Prime members now get unlimited, ad-free access to over a million songs and hundreds of playlists for free." |
| 17:07.52 | Shirik | curious |
| 17:07.53 | Fisker | oh ok Lopeppeppy |
| 17:07.58 | Fisker | nah Shirik |
| 17:08.12 | Fisker | I'm going away soon Lopeppeppy :( |
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| 17:10.29 | Lopeppeppy | Where ya going? |
| 17:11.10 | Fisker | away |
| 17:11.25 | Lopeppeppy | Come back soon? |
| 17:11.46 | Fisker | I wish |
| 17:13.22 | g0urra | jewish |
| 17:13.47 | TC-Work | jew-ish |
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| 17:33.27 | Amarande | Shirik: heh, are they trying to push people away from the idea of a la carte digital purchases in general and get people onto a regular subscription plan instead? |
| 17:33.32 | Amarande | what's going to be next, Prime Kindle Books? |
| 17:33.52 | nevcairiel | you already have a load of books for free |
| 17:33.55 | Amarande | until eventually the idea of the "purchase" is abolished altogether except for physical goods? |
| 17:34.21 | Amarande | seems like there's an effort to move *everything* to a subscription model these days. sometimes it makes sense, like for an ongoing project like WoW |
| 17:34.32 | Amarande | sometimes though it seems like it's trying to replace the past concept of a purchase and shift it to a rental |
| 17:34.45 | nevcairiel | subscription music isnt a new idea by amazon, its been around for years and years |
| 17:35.19 | Amarande | Yeah, but it seems like it kind of died out for the most part as Napster and the like gave way to iTunes and the Amazon and Google music stores |
| 17:35.37 | Amarande | I actually used to subscribe to Napster, heh |
| 17:35.49 | Amarande | (then I had an iPod for a while, and since Napster didn't work with iPods well at all, I gave it up) |
| 17:36.45 | Amarande | actually Napster was kind of crappy in general once the mobile market came to the fore ... it required an *additional* fee for rights to use music on a mobile device, and also was horrendously limited in such devices, basically you had to have a "Microsoft PlaysForSure" gadget |
| 17:37.18 | Amarande | plus they were about as annoying to cancel as AOL :p |
| 17:38.59 | Amarande | but yeah, seems like stores are trying to push for a paradigm where an awful lot of stuff that used to be something you bought becomes something you rent |
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| 17:39.40 | Amarande | mind you, Prime was seriously in need of some extra perks, I also tried that once (back before it came with digital content) and found that I didn't order anywhere close to enough stuff to be worth the annual fee in savings, and that was back when it was only $79 |
| 17:40.15 | Amarande | Back then, you practically had to either spend thousands of dollars a year or be into weightlifting or something LOL |
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| 17:52.12 | Arrowmaster | well this sucks, this ssh tunnel android app needs me to run a proxy server on the host, thats silly |
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| 17:55.11 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: I'm pretty sure that's how ssh tunnels in general work |
| 17:55.19 | Arrowmaster | no its not |
| 17:55.38 | Arrowmaster | ive been using them for years from putty on a flash drive |
| 17:55.49 | Amarande | at least, that both ends need to be running tunnel software, you can't just tunnel off of host XYZ willy nilly :) |
| 17:55.57 | Arrowmaster | you can with ssh |
| 17:56.40 | Arrowmaster | the ssh server can act as a socks proxy on its own with dynamic port forwarding enabled |
| 17:56.59 | Amarande | ah, it requires you to run something other than just standard ssh tunnel apparatus |
| 17:57.31 | Amarande | I'm thinking the obvious like ... "um the other end has to be willing, you can't just pick some random guy who's got ssh running and tunnel off them willy nilly" LOL |
| 17:57.43 | Amarande | otherwise ssh vampirism would be a serious issue everywhere :p |
| 17:58.36 | Arrowmaster | dynamic port forwarding is easy to enable with just a cmd line flag from the client end |
| 17:59.05 | Arrowmaster | if you can ssh into a server you can use it as a proxy unless somebody has gone to great lengths to disable it server side |
| 18:04.08 | Arrowmaster | ok i got it working now but its not forwarding dns properly and filling my ssh log with errors |
| 18:06.10 | Amarande | huh, odd |
| 18:06.20 | Amarande | mind you virtualisation of any sort seems to come with its oddities |
| 18:06.30 | Amarande | like if I install debian in hyper-v on win 8.1, it cannot get an IP via DHCP |
| 18:06.42 | Amarande | it can connect to the network just fine with a static LAN IP, but it cannot get an IP via DHCP |
| 18:06.47 | Amarande | I have no idea why, either |
| 18:07.07 | Amarande | but I'm thinking to just get rid of windows altogether and see about running linux full time again |
| 18:08.24 | Arrowmaster | that would just be an issue with the hyper-v network briding |
| 18:08.45 | Arrowmaster | ive got kvm setup so all my VMs connect to my routers dhcp server to get ips |
| 18:13.56 | Amarande | yeah, it's one reason I'm thinking of ditching windows altogether |
| 18:14.12 | Amarande | then I won't need hyper-V, which I only use because I need to run something under linux and don't want to have to keep rebooting back and forth whenever I use it |
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| 18:43.07 | Neffi | lol https://imgur.com/gallery/8bWlP5n |
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| 18:49.19 | zenzelezz | Neffi: heh |
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| 19:45.05 | Shirik | Amarande: prime books already exists :) |
| 19:46.42 | Shirik | but yeah, for a lot of people, prime simply doesn't make sense, and Amazon is kinda counting on people not doing the math |
| 19:46.56 | Shirik | that being said, it makes sense for me because I live in the middle of nowhere and so even the smallest purchases end up going through amazon |
| 19:48.37 | Shirik | here's how you know Windows phone has failed: news articles like this appear: "Rumors are circulating that Amazon is getting ready to unveil a smartphone addition to its Kindle lineup. But is there room for a third wheel in the smartphone space?" |
| 19:49.32 | relaxok | lol |
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| 19:52.25 | Amarande | Shirik: heh, that's going to flop pretty badly |
| 19:52.43 | Amarande | same issue as the Kindle Fire, you basically get a cut rate Android tablet with no access to Google core apps |
| 19:56.10 | Unkle | Shirik: If you're into streaming video legally - prime makes sense too. The cost is comparable to Netflix and their library has items that Netflix doesn't. Bonus becomes the free shipping. |
| 19:56.22 | karl_w_w | does the loser of the superbowl get a cash prize? |
| 19:57.36 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:57.37 | Shirik | why |
| 19:57.39 | Unkle | Both teams get some revenue from TV. |
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| 19:58.07 | karl_w_w | just wondering |
| 19:58.43 | Shirik | players get a bonus too for getting to the super bowl |
| 19:58.55 | Shirik | a bonus which is probably equivalent to a lot of peoples' yearly salary |
| 20:00.46 | Unkle | Getting to the Superbowl is ... big money. |
| 20:01.09 | Lopeppeppy | Huge money. And the pro bowl invites usually start after a Superbowl visit, so there's that too. |
| 20:01.40 | Amarande | yeah, sport tournaments in general are rarely winner take all matters in terms of prize money |
| 20:01.41 | Unkle | not to mention you get snazzy jewelery. |
| 20:02.31 | Amarande | although in some cases (major horse races, in particular) even the second prize isn't enough to cover what it cost to enter, so it's win or lose anyway |
| 20:02.46 | karl_w_w | well lots of sport tournaments revenue comes from ad revenue and so on more than from the prize pool itself |
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| 20:11.38 | Shirik | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=714106261981921 |
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| 20:44.55 | TC-Work | Shirik: It is seriously difficult to follow the wiki arbitration page since the conversations are not threaded. |
| 20:56.29 | Amarande | *shakes head* you people who voluntarily participate in wikipolitik ... LOL |
| 20:56.39 | foxlit | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkYQR_WmOBY |
| 20:57.13 | Fisker | Hi foxlit |
| 20:57.43 | foxlit | Hello Fisker. |
| 20:59.13 | foxlit | I wrote some code: p(c(w, z), s, c(u, 1), n, p(c(u, -1), l, d))(z,i,n,c,e,d, w,a,l,r,u,s, t,o,p) |
| 21:01.03 | foxlit | I’m not sure what it does, but it might involve a walrus. |
| 21:01.08 | Gnarfoz | the mad thing is, knowing you, that might be actual code |
| 21:02.17 | foxlit | it probably compiles. |
| 21:07.42 | karl_w_w | dont TC-Work |
| 21:07.50 | karl_w_w | it's not worth it |
| 21:07.55 | TC-Work | karl_w_w: Too late... |
| 21:08.12 | karl_w_w | okay, see you on the other side |
| 21:08.41 | karl_w_w | it'll be lonely tale of dismay and acceptance |
| 21:09.17 | karl_w_w | and eventually, uncaringness (because my grammar is gone and I can't think of the word I want there) |
| 21:10.35 | karl_w_w | indifference |
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| 21:30.54 | Amarande | Bah, Torhal ... why does Curse Client always try to reinstall itself the next time you reboot after uninstalling it? :P |
| 21:32.36 | Torhal | You're Doing It Wrong? |
| 21:32.40 | Torhal | Seriously, though, no idea. |
| 21:33.13 | Amarande | when you uninstall it, it looks to have gone away fine, next time you reboot you get a popup on the desktop asking if you would like to allow Curse Client to install or not |
| 21:33.30 | Simca | i've never seen that behavior |
| 21:33.50 | Torhal | Amarande: http://support.curse.com/entries/24113992-Uninstalling-the-Curse-Client |
| 21:33.55 | Simca | maybe if you set its application shortcut in your startup folder |
| 21:34.22 | Simca | ah ha, i guessed right, damn startup folder |
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| 21:34.41 | Amarande | ah, right |
| 21:34.58 | Amarande | mind you, the fact that it doesn't clean up after itself there is a -- for curse |
| 21:37.05 | Simca | could be a permissions issue with the removal or something |
| 21:40.56 | Mr_Rabies | i personally can't wait for the new mmoui minion to expand to wow |
| 21:42.58 | Amarande | also another strike against Windows |
| 21:43.30 | Amarande | after uninstalling Blizzard games (preparing to clean up the computer so I can figure out what I should back up before installing Linux, which includes my UI setup but *not* WoW itself since I don't want to use that much of my limited space) |
| 21:43.42 | Amarande | there are still entries for D3 and WoW on the All Apps start menu |
| 21:43.47 | Amarande | they cannot be deleted in any way, apparently :| |
| 21:43.54 | Amarande | there are not even registry entries for them *blink* |
| 21:44.10 | Amarande | because of Windows' crappy "games aren't the same as other applications!" setup |
| 21:44.13 | Simca | right-click - remove from menu? |
| 21:44.16 | Mr_Rabies | they're probably in the /users/public\start menu folder |
| 21:44.22 | Mr_Rabies | wow |
| 21:44.24 | Mr_Rabies | slashes |
| 21:44.27 | Mr_Rabies | are the best |
| 21:44.43 | Mr_Rabies | if not they're probably in the users\my games\ folder as short cuts |
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| 21:45.27 | Amarande | Simca: no such option. open file location takes you to that stupid Windows Games panel nobody ever uses (why the hell did they even include it?) |
| 21:45.36 | Amarande | and there's no right click option at all for either of them heh |
| 21:45.43 | Simca | weird |
| 21:45.54 | Dagmar | My guess is you're talking about a Win8 feature |
| 21:45.54 | Amarande | how lame. |
| 21:45.56 | Simca | wow/d3/blizzard games don't even use the windows games system |
| 21:46.08 | Amarande | actually the games panel started with either vista or 7 I think |
| 21:46.19 | Amarande | I'm still not sure why they thought it a good idea to treat games as different from other applications |
| 21:46.30 | Dagmar | It must be pretty damn subtle in 7 then, because I've no idea what it might look like |
| 21:46.41 | Simca | well i understand the theory but the implementation is terrible |
| 21:46.47 | Amarande | the only reason I even knew about it in Vista and 7 is because Guild Wars would keep ending up there instead of in the start menu |
| 21:47.07 | Simca | Dagmar: yeah that's why the implementation is terrible - you would never find it unless you started looking for it |
| 21:47.08 | Amarande | Simca: what exactly is the theory? sounds about as lame as Victor Ninov's fabricated discovery of ununoctium :) |
| 21:47.19 | foxlit | http://res2.windows.microsoft.com/resbox/en/windows%207/main/68440ea7-68ec-4e2f-ad4f-b33006455983_56.jpg |
| 21:47.24 | foxlit | It’s sooooooooooooo difficult to find. |
| 21:47.51 | Amarande | or is there some kind of legal eagle bullshit involved, because games have media ratings systems in various countries and regular apps do not :S |
| 21:48.28 | Simca | foxlit: odd, i don't have that option |
| 21:48.32 | Amarande | (and unlike here in the USA, in some of those countries there's actual criminal penalties involved for not obeying the rating system :P) |
| 21:49.37 | foxlit | Like almost everything else to do with the start menu, it’s configurable |
| 21:49.46 | foxlit | Maybe you installed the No-Fun-And-Games version of Windows. |
| 21:49.50 | Amarande | with any luck, it'll go away on reboot |
| 21:50.12 | Amarande | still, no other OS really treats games separate from other apps, so it seems silly that MS ever did |
| 21:50.19 | Gnarfoz | the one by Linux Torwald? |
| 21:53.02 | jleclanche | kd3: this one is for you https://pay.reddit.com/r/FloridaMan |
| 21:54.02 | jleclanche | Amarande: the windows games stuff was done for windows games live, really |
| 21:54.09 | jleclanche | nobody uses it because nobody fucking uses it |
| 21:54.30 | Mr_Rabies | i figured the games thing was just a place where shortcuts wound up |
| 21:54.30 | Amarande | jleclanche: indeed ... like I had noted, Guild Wars I think was the only game I ever saw actually do so |
| 21:54.32 | Mr_Rabies | with fancy metadata |
| 21:54.39 | jleclanche | ms took the hint and they're phasing it out, but once its in windows, its here to stay for 35+ years so games will save stuff there |
| 21:54.40 | Mr_Rabies | literally everything in my games folder is also on my start menu |
| 21:54.43 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: and apparently ghost shortcuts that can't be deleted, LOL |
| 21:54.55 | jleclanche | honestly, the games stuff is nice if properly used |
| 21:54.58 | Mr_Rabies | my guess is they're in users\public\start menu\ |
| 21:55.05 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: as in right clicking in all apps sends you to the games panel instead of the usual start menu repository and you can't even right click |
| 21:55.13 | Amarande | there's no such folder as users\public\start menu, either |
| 21:55.25 | Mr_Rabies | should be, it might be hidden |
| 21:55.26 | jleclanche | it can host savegames, scores etc (nobody cares though because windows is not that kind of gaming platform), screenshots |
| 21:55.27 | jleclanche | so on |
| 21:55.47 | jleclanche | heres the problem: its designed like shit and game developers dont care |
| 21:56.02 | jleclanche | they would rather have their own launchers |
| 21:56.29 | jleclanche | hey dont worry, one day people will look back at this and think "what the fuck is this inconsistent piece of shit I just installed on a nostalgia VM" |
| 21:56.32 | Mr_Rabies | hmm yeah you're right Amarande |
| 21:56.38 | Mr_Rabies | shit i forget where the all users start menu is nowadays |
| 21:56.46 | Amarande | ah, I did find the start menu folders by right clicking another program and going there |
| 21:56.55 | Amarande | but the games folder is empty ... I am not at all sure where those ghost shortcuts come from |
| 21:57.06 | Amarande | I even tried doing a search in regedit and apart from a firewall permission entry for D3 there is nothing |
| 21:58.37 | Mr_Rabies | ah try C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu |
| 21:58.47 | Mr_Rabies | or driveletter as appropriate ofc |
| 21:59.02 | Amarande | yeah, the games folder is empty |
| 21:59.14 | Amarande | probably stale cachey sort of stuff in memory that (as usually happens with windows :p) requires a reboot to remove then I'm guessing |
| 21:59.16 | Mr_Rabies | try just the root of that folder or within \Programs |
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| 22:25.51 | Gnarfoz | Californians! Can you fry avocado? Cook it? Bake it? Do something with it besides just putting on top of things raw? :D |
| 22:26.01 | TC-Work | Yes |
| 22:27.11 | TC-Work | Avacado Cheesecake |
| 22:28.18 | TC-Work | I think it can substitute for butter in various ways. |
| 22:33.48 | Mr_Rabies | gnarfoz: it can be substituted for eggs in a lot of stuff |
| 22:33.51 | Mr_Rabies | like ice cream |
| 22:34.48 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/avocado-ice-cream-recipe.html |
| 22:35.07 | Mr_Rabies | also the obvious, guacamole |
| 22:36.20 | Torhal | Amarande: Games tend to write to their own directories, and since MS wanted to protect the hell out of Program Files, they deemed it necessary to move them out of there. |
| 22:37.00 | Torhal | That's the gist; I'm not sure of the entire reasoning since I tend to avoid Windows when I can. |
| 22:44.01 | Amarande | Yeah, I'm getting ready to avoid Windows if I can, myself :) |
| 22:44.12 | Amarande | I just need to make sure I have a distro with a new enough wine package that I can actually run WoW |
| 22:44.33 | Amarande | which means, NOT debian staid, oops, did I say staid? I mean stable this time |
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| 23:03.51 | Simca | so i'm setting a frame's size with :SetSize(), and then setting it to the center with :SetPoint("CENTER", UIParent, "CENTER"). later i call :ClearAllPoints, and then i check the size and the size is not what it was originally set to |
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| 23:08.10 | Simca | i guess i'll just constantly redefine its size to the size i want, but that's really weird |
| 23:10.55 | foxlit | so what’s the new size compared to the old size? |
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| 23:26.57 | TC-Work | "stempStor = (q['code'],tempvalu['login'],q[i]['id'] , tipePerson)" *whimper* |
| 23:31.34 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.22 | TC-Work | foxlit: You linked a very similar line earlier. |
| 23:36.56 | foxlit | yes, but no. |
| 23:37.50 | TC-Work | yes, but yes. |
| 23:37.56 | TC-Work | it is similar. |
| 23:38.06 | foxlit | I disagree with “linked.” |
| 23:38.36 | TC-Work | Typed? |
| 23:38.49 | TC-Work | although I suspect you copy pasta'd it. |
| 23:41.12 | foxlit | those are such unfounded and hurtful accusations. Okay, yes, I probably pasted it. |
| 23:55.38 | Amarande | foxlit: these are the sort of things that in an IT business setting tend to involve the server rack developing a suspicious red spot on the corner, I'm guessing :) |
| 23:56.01 | Simca | foxlit: the old size was 1920 by 1080, and it became 900ish width (didn't bother checking height exactly) after clearing points |
| 23:56.35 | Amarande | Followed by the team members who went berserk over figuring out the code getting off with only needing mandatory anger management classes. |
| 23:57.07 | Mr_Rabies | ugh |
| 23:57.11 | Mr_Rabies | they've gotta find a way to fix lfr |
| 23:57.25 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't run it in months, so i go to run it on an alt and it's a nightmare already |
| 23:58.29 | foxlit | Simca: it shouldn’t do that, and doesn’t do that for me. |
| 23:58.47 | foxlit | which probably means that there’s more at play there than what you’ve described. |
| 23:59.25 | Simca | weird because calling :SetSize again after calling ClearAllPoints fixes the issue |
