| 00:08.49 | Semlar | but can a 13 year old boy pass a turing test |
| 00:09.22 | Amarande | heh, I think once bots genuinely pass the turing test without cheating, we may have problems :) |
| 00:12.36 | zenzelezz | you think we'll all be turned into batteries, don't you |
| 00:12.50 | Amarande | zenzelezz: I was more thinking its impact on our fun |
| 00:12.59 | Amarande | for one, forget about playing any video games where bots perform as well or better than humans |
| 00:13.22 | Amarande | all they'd have to do is program an actual robot to sit and play the game, put the Turing-passing code into its operating system |
| 00:13.32 | Amarande | and nobody will ever know botting is even happening, because the thing will respond just like a human :| |
| 00:13.33 | Semlar | why would you need a physical robot to play a video game! |
| 00:13.59 | Semlar | that's a step backwards |
| 00:14.10 | Amarande | Semlar: well, if they create physical robots to do it, no amount of warden or punkbuster or vac will detect them heh |
| 00:14.30 | Amarande | unless you want to start banning top human players because they play too much like the robots do :) |
| 00:14.31 | Semlar | i'm not sure that would be the best use of robotics |
| 00:16.04 | Amarande | zenzelezz: mind you, we might as well be turned into batteries at that point |
| 00:16.28 | Amarande | once bots can really interact like humans do, then they can automate most of the other jobs, the ones that right now can't be automated because they actually need a human touch |
| 00:17.12 | Amarande | ... then at some point some shareholders get the bright idea that they can make a corruption proof CEO by automating THAT, and that's when the robots push humans out of business altogether. :) |
| 00:18.04 | Semlar | that is never going to happen |
| 00:18.47 | Semlar | will smith would come in and bust all those robots down a peg |
| 00:18.56 | Amarande | heh, you never know. at each step the people in charge realise they can save money by automating the step below them |
| 00:19.38 | Amarande | and then eventually ... "well you see, we're paying this 'CEO' guy a few million a year when we could be having the company pay us shareholders that money in dividends ... I KNOW! maybe we can automate that, too" |
| 00:20.04 | Amarande | (especially since by then the banking industry will likely have sufficiently automated itself to the point that the shareholders themselves are robots.) |
| 00:20.54 | Amarande | heck, with high grade AI, all it takes is a little upgrade to the high-frequency trading computers and huzzah ... |
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| 00:28.01 | Amarande | aright, back to wow. |
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| 02:08.36 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: wtb GoT? |
| 02:09.21 | Neffi | Semlar: you around? |
| 02:09.24 | Arrowmaster | sure |
| 02:10.59 | Amarande | hrm |
| 02:11.08 | Amarande | wonder if the stat squish will make it useful to use bandages while leveling again |
| 02:11.43 | Amarande | atm, because of health inflation in 5.x, lower level healing potions and bandages are *utterly* useless, heh |
| 02:13.30 | Stanzilla | Kesava: how's the rewrite coming along? D |
| 02:16.32 | Kesava | Stanzilla: haven't done anything to it since the last time i mentioned it really |
| 02:16.46 | Kesava | some little things left like combo points, then configuration |
| 02:16.47 | Semlar | neffi |
| 02:16.50 | Kesava | which i still don't know how i'll do |
| 02:17.53 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 02:18.05 | Semlar | neffiiiiiiii |
| 02:29.52 | Amarande | rofl ... someone's posted mageroyal on illidan horde for 1045g a stack |
| 02:33.32 | Neffi | seems about right |
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| 03:05.30 | Arrowmaster | wow an entire GoT episode focusing on one location and character |
| 03:07.42 | Simca | does '...' have any special meaning in lua? |
| 03:08.09 | Simca | WoW uses it in some functions to stand for multiple arguments, but this lua intepreter is rejecting it as a valid variable name. |
| 03:10.46 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 03:11.11 | kd3 | it's the vararg, you can't use it as an lvalue |
| 03:11.47 | kd3 | foo, bar, baz = ...; |
| 03:12.17 | Simca | if I had a function that returned 5 values, could I do |
| 03:12.25 | Simca | local a, b, c, ... = function() |
| 03:12.32 | Simca | local d, e = ... |
| 03:12.33 | Simca | ? |
| 03:12.48 | kd3 | local a, b, c, d, e = function() |
| 03:12.53 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 03:13.10 | kd3 | wait, you can split it up? |
| 03:13.58 | Arrowmaster | should be fine |
| 03:14.09 | Simca | neat |
| 03:14.16 | Arrowmaster | you might need to wrap the ... in a () or select(1, ...) |
| 03:14.43 | Arrowmaster | its been fucking forever since ive written lua code |
| 03:15.49 | Neffi | you can do: local a,b,c = ... |
| 03:15.56 | Neffi | you cannot do: local a,b,... = 1,2,3,4,5 |
| 03:16.03 | Neffi | It's not an identifier |
| 03:16.38 | Simca | could I without the local |
| 03:16.55 | Simca | (and just define local a, b, c, d, e on a prior line) |
| 03:21.27 | Arrowmaster | well you could do local a,b,... = (function() return 1,2,3,4,5 end)() but its rather backwards |
| 03:21.56 | Simca | i guess i'll just use select |
| 03:22.06 | Arrowmaster | again, not touched lua in 5 years but im 100% sure thats correct |
| 03:23.08 | Simca | it's a massive string where I know the first values 13 values will always exist but values 14-20+ are dependent on value 13 so i didn't want it to have to split the string twice |
| 03:23.16 | Simca | but wanted 14-20 in an array |
| 03:23.32 | Simca | i guess it's really not that big of a deal though |
| 03:23.33 | Arrowmaster | wait we are forgetting the most important part, you just put ... in the fuction arguments and use it inside a function |
| 03:23.57 | Arrowmaster | so yeah i guess i was wrong about that being correct |
| 03:24.11 | Arrowmaster | but the part on the right of the = is valid |
| 03:24.35 | Arrowmaster | and if you code like that i will slap you unless you have a damn good reason for it |
| 03:26.59 | Simca | does 'for i = 1, 3 do' imply 'local i' in the declaration or is global scope unless previously defined? |
| 03:27.08 | Simca | is it* |
| 03:27.37 | Simca | i' |
| 03:27.58 | Simca | i've* always explicitly defined it as a local first but this author doesn't, so i'm wondering |
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| 03:58.26 | Iriel | Simca: yes |
| 03:58.44 | Iriel | Simca: futhermore i is logically declared local inside the do block |
| 03:58.50 | Iriel | Simca: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.4.5 |
| 03:59.22 | Simca | ok, thanks! |
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| 04:29.31 | karl_w_w | I think it's time to reset my cookie clicker |
| 04:29.43 | karl_w_w | is it time to reset my cookie clicker Arrowmaster? |
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| 04:47.03 | kullervo | cookie clicker. Isn't that just hugely pointless? |
| 04:47.18 | kullervo | As opposed to "empty room" that actually has a story |
| 04:47.24 | kullervo | and similar ones |
| 04:47.32 | Dagmar | It takes about ten minutes to edit your cookie and you're done with it. :) |
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| 07:17.26 | airtonix | takes about five seconds to kill the program |
| 07:17.35 | airtonix | and.be.done.with.it |
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| 09:16.54 | jleclanche | Dagmar: Is it safe to hot-unplug a graphics card from a headless server? |
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| 09:20.30 | Fisker | It should be apparently |
| 09:20.36 | Fisker | But that's not a good safety :P |
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| 09:26.18 | karl_w_w | http://www.gfycat.com/ComplicatedLavishAmericanwarmblood and then watch it in reverse |
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| 09:54.25 | Shirik | http://gabegaming.com/ |
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| 09:57.55 | karl_w_w | they could do the same sort of thing on this page http://www.dota2.com/international/compendium/ :P |
| 10:00.56 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
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| 10:31.39 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 10:45.22 | karl_w_w | hey Fisker |
| 10:45.26 | karl_w_w | you are the demons |
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| 12:00.27 | airtonix | i am the machine |
| 12:25.33 | karl_w_w | "Sign in again to post a comment! " |
| 12:45.07 | airtonix | do it |
| 12:46.36 | karl_w_w | hey airtonix did you know sajedene just got robbed? |
| 12:46.43 | airtonix | oh |
| 12:46.46 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSVyPq1b-qk |
| 12:47.03 | airtonix | better go tell someone who gives a shit |
| 12:47.16 | karl_w_w | other people did that, I thought I'd tell you |
| 12:47.17 | airtonix | it might be important |
| 12:47.48 | airtonix | sorry man |
| 12:47.56 | airtonix | not sure what to say |
| 12:48.07 | airtonix | "i'm not your guy, dude" |
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| 13:24.18 | jleclanche | So who else is playing wildstar in europe? |
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| 14:03.46 | karl_w_w | do politians put lotion on their faces to get that gleam? |
| 14:04.15 | airtonix | no |
| 14:04.29 | airtonix | it's the sweat of desparation and fear |
| 14:05.00 | karl_w_w | it must be tough when you have to visit far away countries like canadia |
| 14:05.01 | airtonix | not a matter if, but when they're bullshit gains sentience and comes knocking for crimes of mis-parentage |
| 14:05.44 | airtonix | lol |
| 14:05.51 | airtonix | you said canadia |
| 14:06.02 | airtonix | what are you? from punchbowl or something? |
| 14:06.20 | airtonix | come on guy |
| 14:06.43 | karl_w_w | http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/australian-pms-canadia-gaffe-the-butt-of-jokes-on-social-media/article19071011/ |
| 14:06.53 | karl_w_w | if the prime minister says it it must be correct |
| 14:28.52 | airtonix | he's a christain after all. they don't lie. |
| 14:43.37 | karl_w_w | so this commenting system that a lot of websites have now called Disqus |
| 14:43.54 | karl_w_w | I know it's meant to be pronounced discuss |
| 14:44.21 | karl_w_w | but it's spelt a lot more like discus so that's how I pronounce it in my head |
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| 15:02.18 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 15:05.28 | karl_w_w | thanks airtonix |
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| 15:29.11 | karl_w_w | http://www.comedy.co.uk/podcasts/dotherightthing/series3_6/ oh that was a quality spirit level gag |
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| 16:13.08 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy |
| 16:13.14 | Fisker | It's hot |
| 16:13.27 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, that's what summer is for, Fisker. |
| 16:13.33 | Fisker | I hate it :( |
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| 16:33.01 | Fisker | I also ate food Lopeppeppy |
| 16:33.05 | Fisker | Which I don't hate so much |
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| 16:36.17 | karl_w_w | hahahah call of doody is microsoft's opening gambit |
| 16:39.19 | Rythal | A mech / future version of CoD? >.> |
| 16:40.40 | karl_w_w | omg it looks so shit :D |
| 16:41.06 | Rythal | when has CoD not looked like shit lol |
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| 16:41.55 | karl_w_w | it's a shitty ripoff of crysis 2 |
| 16:43.52 | karl_w_w | maybe that was the whole storyline we just saw |
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| 16:44.06 | karl_w_w | he goes home injured and they win the war the end |
| 16:44.28 | Lopeppeppy | Food is also part of summer. And every other season. |
| 16:46.04 | karl_w_w | WOW free stuff in a game you paid for! 21st century ladies and gents! |
| 16:49.31 | Rythal | Forza once again just doing cut scenes... where's the game play :/ |
| 16:49.49 | karl_w_w | the ps4 guys are probably sitting at the back giggling |
| 16:49.59 | karl_w_w | dramatic weather! |
| 16:51.40 | Dagmar | I'm sure they're really enjoying all their awesome 720p graphics |
| 16:51.50 | Rythal | Evolve showing off PC version cut scenes.... |
| 16:51.56 | Rythal | no game play again |
| 16:52.09 | Rythal | and now off to another yearly game no one plays anymore |
| 16:53.32 | karl_w_w | ahahahah clip showing off the same terrible AI AC has always had |
| 16:54.33 | Amarande | karl_w_w: what's fun is when the free stuff you get with the game is not even FOR the game |
| 16:54.39 | Rythal | multiplayer campaign? now that does interest me... even with the bad AI |
| 16:54.42 | Amarande | it's why I passed on the MoP digital deluxe |
| 16:55.01 | Amarande | the MoP digital deluxe was to a large degree "pay $20 so we can try to sell you SC2 and D3" LOL |
| 16:55.17 | Amarande | like seriously, only a small minority of the bonuses were even actually for wow, heh |
| 16:55.37 | Amarande | (though I guess it would have been a value, inasmuch as usually a premium pet is $10 and a premium mount $25) |
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| 16:56.15 | Amarande | it still felt like the wrong thing, though. it felt like if Bioware released Dragon Age Inquisitor and said "okay, with preorder, you get this minor little item for DA:I and 2000 free cartel coins for SW:TOR" |
| 16:56.55 | Amarande | (mind you, I have actually played SW:TOR so that would be somewhat relevant to me personally, but I tend to think game bonuses should, you know, mostly relate to the game you actually bought, not be an effort to sell you to other games) |
| 16:57.43 | Rythal | Damn you ubisoft... making me wait for your press release to find out if it really is a 4 player campaign |
| 16:59.16 | Fisker | So I still haven't guilttriped or logically trapped you into going to Blizzcon this november Lopeppeppy ? |
| 16:59.26 | Fisker | Imagine the cool birthday you would have |
| 16:59.28 | Fisker | tripped* |
| 16:59.43 | Rythal | ok... DA:I looked badass... but after DA2 i'm still leary :/ |
| 17:00.22 | Fisker | I'll get it |
| 17:01.30 | karl_w_w | this guy is a douche |
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| 17:05.48 | karl_w_w | I wouldn't play that game if I got paid for it |
| 17:06.00 | Fisker | What game? |
| 17:06.15 | Amarande | Rythal: I'm still interested in finding out about that Tarot deck in the super collectors' edition, though I don't know if I want to spend $170 heh |
| 17:06.17 | TC-Work | If you got paid enough you would. |
| 17:06.27 | Amarande | what makes me blink is that it says "72 card Major and Minor Arcana" tarot deck themed on DA |
| 17:06.35 | Amarande | which is just weird |
| 17:07.19 | karl_w_w | that can't be real |
| 17:07.25 | Rythal | It is |
| 17:08.34 | karl_w_w | so far this conference has left glad I don't console game and depressed |
| 17:08.39 | karl_w_w | left me |
| 17:08.45 | Amarande | as for why it's weird ... I have experience with Tarot |
| 17:09.05 | Amarande | so I know that "Major and Minor Arcana" means it should be a standard theme tarot deck with normal tarot suits and trumps |
| 17:09.10 | Amarande | *but* a normal tarot deck has 78 cards, not 72 |
| 17:09.17 | Rythal | Most the games I want to play, are comign to PC anyways... so i've yet to see a reason to buy a console yet |
| 17:09.26 | Amarande | and I can't for the life of me figure out which six could have been taken out, the structure of a normal tarot deck really doesn't lend itself to exactly six cards being removed |
| 17:09.42 | Amarande | if they took out the Knights, say, and had just 13 cards per Minor suit like a modern playing card deck, that would only be four cards |
| 17:09.42 | Rythal | Amarande: PR probably messed up, and put the wrong number |
| 17:09.55 | Amarande | even if they took out the Fool also (which would be Fool-ish), that's just 5 |
| 17:09.57 | Amarande | yeah, that's probably the case |
| 17:12.32 | Amarande | okay, this is getting very strange with my UI |
| 17:13.12 | Amarande | one, MikScrollingBattleText won't reliably use its font settings (the config dialog confirms they are set, but then it goes and uses that funky looking default font instead a lot of the time, often forcing a console reloadui to fix) |
| 17:13.21 | Amarande | also, I keep losing keyboard control in WoW completely, often after /console reloadui |
| 17:14.40 | jleclanche | ~ping |
| 17:14.40 | purl | ~pong |
| 17:15.05 | Rythal | Well... that gives me some hope... they never used that evil word Exclusively during the Fable presentation |
| 17:15.07 | jleclanche | Fisker: Yep, hot-unplugged my graphics card and not even a peep in dmesg |
| 17:15.17 | Fisker | haek |
| 17:15.20 | jleclanche | Fisker: literally *hot* unplugged. that shit is burning |
| 17:15.24 | Fisker | yeah |
| 17:15.44 | jleclanche | Fisker: its at 75 degrees |
| 17:15.54 | Fisker | At first I was "Probably not" but then I said to myself, it is standard, and they do make render farms after all |
| 17:16.27 | jleclanche | Fisker: for comparison, wildstar makes my 780Ti burn at a mighty 35 degrees celcius, aka "a sickly human being" |
| 17:16.38 | Fisker | :o |
| 17:16.53 | jleclanche | but a headless box? OH GOD THE MOLTEN LAVA |
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| 17:18.40 | Fisker | presumably it's doing work? |
| 17:19.20 | jleclanche | Fisker: its idle |
| 17:19.27 | Fisker | wow |
| 17:19.29 | jleclanche | fucking piece of shit |
| 17:19.29 | Fisker | GTX 480? |
| 17:19.30 | Fisker | :P |
| 17:19.48 | jleclanche | anyway, in an unrelated matter. anyone wants a cheap gtx 480? |
| 17:19.49 | jleclanche | :P |
| 17:20.10 | Fisker | It's only cheap if power is free :P |
| 17:21.16 | karl_w_w | i heard halo is new and exciting |
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| 17:25.47 | karl_w_w | they aren't even pretending, they're just re-releasing halo 2 |
| 17:27.11 | karl_w_w | that stunk of pre-recorded |
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| 17:33.15 | karl_w_w | idiot xbox? wait thats not what his shirt says |
| 17:37.04 | Amarande | GTX 480, I'm not surprised it's at 75 degrees ... Fermi was a notorious power and heat hog |
| 17:37.13 | Amarande | it's almost like they made it out of ... Fermium or something LOL |
| 17:38.56 | Rythal | cd-projekt sold out to be part of MS conference? for shame... for shame |
| 17:43.16 | Amarande | there really an advantage these days game-publishing wise to siding with Microsoft? I'd think Sony was the company to go with lately |
| 17:43.25 | Amarande | at least I *think* the PS4 has been the somewhat winner this gen so far |
| 17:44.05 | Amarande | XB1 has suffered too much from too-high pricing |
| 17:44.08 | Fisker | Who doesn't sell out? |
| 17:44.29 | Rythal | They have been... but sony is losing money... MS has money to spend... even games coming to PS4/XB1/PC ... MS can use $$ to have them promote XB1 |
| 17:44.30 | Fisker | Not to mention not the best performance |
| 17:44.35 | Amarande | and it's not like getting in good with Microsoft really helps you publish Windows games anymore, GFWL is a dead duck AFAIK and the Metro market is not suitable for AAA titles |
| 17:44.42 | Fisker | LOL |
| 17:45.01 | Fisker | Both have tons of money to use on exclusives |
| 17:45.27 | Fisker | But you know when Microsoft sees a problem they throw as much money after it as they can |
| 17:45.29 | Rythal | There isn't exclusives... maybe 2 of the games shown during this conference has been exclusive |
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| 17:45.43 | Fisker | XB1 sales are irrelevant in that equation |
| 17:46.17 | karl_w_w | wtf do these people know what a game is? |
| 17:46.25 | karl_w_w | its not cutscenes |
| 17:46.38 | Amarande | also, exactly what motivation would there be for CD-Project's sell out |
| 17:46.43 | Amarande | well I mean from their side, money, yeah |
| 17:46.55 | Amarande | but I don't see the point from MS's end ... it's not like they were going to not publish for Windows anyway LOL |
| 17:47.01 | Esamynn|work | karl_w_w: what? a game isn't just a movie with some minimal "user" interaction? :P |
| 17:47.36 | karl_w_w | well the most surprising example was the cutscene in the middle of a witcher 3 fight |
| 17:47.45 | karl_w_w | but otherwise, every game so far |
| 17:48.22 | Rythal | if MS was expecting to make me want an XB1.... they failed :/ every game that even looked remotely interesting... is coming to PC |
| 17:48.22 | Dagmar | I dunno. It took me a few tries to figure out why the next to last FF ended very abruptly with an unexplained death |
| 17:49.38 | Esamynn|work | Dagmar: foolish mortal... the kinect is awesome sauce which you know you want.... |
| 17:49.40 | Esamynn|work | oh wait |
| 17:50.15 | Amarande | Dagmar: next to last, you mean FF13, FF13-2, or FF12? |
| 17:50.38 | Esamynn|work | it's been somewhat entertainint to see many times and how far M$ has backtracked regarding the XB1 |
| 17:51.14 | Amarande | I'm not sure if you're counting just main line FFs or if you're including the MMOs when you're referring to "last" or "next to last" |
| 17:51.15 | Esamynn|work | and apparently I Fail2English this morning |
| 17:51.43 | Rythal | It's also funny... that not a single game shown so far... uses anything MS.. no kinect... fable uses glass but that's it.... |
| 17:51.59 | Amarande | well, some of the proposed ideas were just plain stupid |
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| 17:52.18 | Amarande | like the whole "scan how many people are in front of the machine and not allow movies to play if there's too many" thing that was apparently a thing at one point |
| 17:52.24 | Dagmar | Amarande: I don't keep track anymore, and I doubt Square does either. The game just started with an incrediblly busy full-motion video and three-quarters of the way through you were expected to actually notice the press X to not die that appeared |
| 17:52.53 | Amarande | ugh, press X to not die |
| 17:52.54 | Esamynn|work | oh GOD... I hate interactive cutscenes |
| 17:52.57 | Amarande | WHAT THE HELL WAS WRONG WITH CUTSCENES |
| 17:53.01 | Esamynn|work | *HATE* |
| 17:53.05 | Amarande | did they really think they ruined sales that badly? |
| 17:53.18 | Amarande | hell, Xenosaga has bits where there's an HOUR or so of cutscenes at a time, and it made Greatest Hits for godssakes |
| 17:53.22 | Amarande | Xenosaga 1, that is |
| 17:53.37 | Amarande | in fact, attempts to make Xenosaga more "mainstream friendly" actually ruined its sales figures :p |
| 17:54.11 | Amarande | mind you, there are some cases where cutscenes can be an issue, but it's more to do with game structure (Xenosaga generally let you save after really lengthy cutscenes, IIRC) |
| 17:54.32 | Amarande | the biggest issue is usually when you have a cutscene right before a boss battle and you can't skip any of it, which has been an issue ever since Baldur's Gate II's pre-battle convos |
| 17:54.56 | Amarande | (and it's not like Press X to Not Die in the cutscene actually helps *that*, LOL) |
| 17:55.06 | zenzelezz | Amarande: I could not agree more |
| 17:55.12 | Dagmar | Yeah, I watched it three times before I finally saw the prompt appearing |
| 17:55.21 | Dagmar | The screen was full of exploding and flying shit |
| 17:55.29 | Esamynn|work | rofl |
| 17:55.47 | Amarande | mind you with pre-boss battle stuff I'm not sure how much leeway there is for allowing saving, lest you end up with the ludicrous insanity that is the Neverwinter Nights engine |
| 17:55.55 | Dagmar | Since it was the actual _start_ of the game, I just figured it was a long introductory cutscene |
| 17:56.04 | Amarande | NWN engine was practically the closest thing an AAA game has ever gotten to emulator save states, LOL |
| 17:56.27 | Amarande | hrm, that must be XIII-2 then, since I don't remember XII or XIII having that |
| 17:56.45 | karl_w_w | ooh symphony is in the current humble bundle |
| 17:57.00 | Dagmar | I didn't even bother to finish it, thanks to most of the boss fights being endurao turtle-fests |
| 17:57.21 | Amarande | (in the NWN engine, you could generally actually save *during* battle, which made hard battles sillily easy if you exploited it too shamelessly) |
| 17:57.48 | Rythal | I never played NWN much... I was to busy scripting for the social mods |
| 17:58.30 | Esamynn|work | save during boss fight is not unique to NWN, but I agree that it's rare |
| 18:00.14 | Amarande | yeah, I think you can do it in KOTOR also (but that's using the aurora engine too) |
| 18:00.20 | Amarande | trying to think of anything else that lets you save in combat |
| 18:00.30 | karl_w_w | xbox 180 andwalkaway announced |
| 18:00.41 | Amarande | well, there's one weird case where you can do it in BG2 |
| 18:00.54 | Amarande | and I mean seriously weird, like I found Draconis to be such a painfully hard fight that I ended up half-breaking the game LOL |
| 18:01.33 | Rythal | so.... 2 hours... and not once did I even hear the word Kinect mentioned.... :P |
| 18:01.38 | Esamynn|work | Skyrim |
| 18:02.45 | Esamynn|work | the most recent Deus Ex, as well |
| 18:04.57 | Amarande | ah, right, forgot about elder scrolls :) |
| 18:07.56 | Amarande | probably pretty much the case in any game that has no separate combat screen and doesn't lock down saving while "in combat", I guess |
| 18:08.13 | Dagmar | DeusEx needed more partially mechanical asian chicks int the cutscenes |
| 18:08.46 | zenzelezz | all two of them |
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| 18:23.18 | Amarande | sooo ... with the level boost (not that I'll be seeing one till I buy WoD, since I am not spending 60 bucks on a level boost :P) |
| 18:23.36 | Amarande | do you have to use it right away once acquired (as in the next character you log into gets boosted whether you like or not), or can you hold it in reserve as long as you like? |
| 18:23.44 | Primer | the latter |
| 18:24.00 | Primer | I bought WoD because I wanted to boost a toon though |
| 18:24.10 | Esamynn|work | I've been sitting on mine for weeks (if not months) |
| 18:24.12 | Amarande | yeah, sooner or later I'll probably use the free one, though I'm not sure on what |
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| 18:24.29 | Amarande | maybe something like a warrior where I can never seem to get into the low level game but it seems like it gets more fun at higher levels *shrug* |
| 18:25.13 | Amarande | I don't see the paid boosts being very pointful though, and expect them not to sell very well, although it seems a lot of people disagree with that |
| 18:25.51 | Dagmar | I miss the days when people only boosted stereos |
| 18:26.08 | Amarande | also there's a pretty simple argument contra boost: 60 bucks is the cost of a regular video game these days. So normally you pay 60 bucks to GIVE yourself some video gameplay, not to CUT OUT some gameplay, heh |
| 18:27.00 | Esamynn|work | pfft, you're assuming the decision is going to be made by some rational actor :P |
| 18:27.05 | Amarande | and as we know, there's generally way more variety and choice in the leveling game than at current expansion (where you usually must do just about everything everywhere, and often with little choice as to order either) |
| 18:27.09 | Esamynn|work | foolish, foolish mortal |
| 18:28.07 | Amarande | Esamynn: yeah, especially given that the pro boost argument is usually one that seems to make me shake my head the moment I look beyond the surface |
| 18:28.37 | Amarande | specifically, there seems to be a very strong tendency for arguments to be made that essentially value one's free time at the same per-hour rate one gets paid while at work |
| 18:29.05 | Amarande | but *that* kinda assumes that if you weren't spending that hour playing wow or whatever, you could have been actually spending it doing extra work and getting paid another hour's wage for hit |
| 18:29.06 | Amarande | *it |
| 18:29.16 | Amarande | this is not commonly actually possible these days, especially in America heh |
| 18:29.47 | Amarande | no, these days the economy tends to foster an abundance of leisure time and a dearth of paid hours heh |
| 18:29.59 | Esamynn|work | it's an approimation which has it's uses, imo |
| 18:30.06 | Esamynn|work | but the uses are limited |
| 18:30.38 | Esamynn|work | and yes, it does depend greatly on whether you actually could easily opt to work more for more money |
| 18:30.59 | Amarande | though I suppose the boost has got its uses, like when a raid guild needs a new class sooner than later and doesn't want to have to recruit outside |
| 18:31.35 | Amarande | (then again this seems like it would also be very limited, probably mainly to mythic guilds, because flex everything but mythic means that it's easy for regular and heroic guilds to just recruit one more and sacrifice nothing) |
| 18:33.02 | Ackis | My wife is doing a charity walk for homeless pets. If anyone wants to donate: https://cause2give.unxvision.com/P2PWeb/PublicParticipantPage.aspx?EventId=222&LanguageId=1&ParticipantIdView=23777#.U5U4oyUb8eY.gmail |
| 18:33.12 | Amarande | gaaaahhhhh damn you SW:TOR and LOTRO and all |
| 18:33.34 | Amarande | I can't even count how many times I've popped up the dungeon finder since returning to WoW because I keep instinctively reaching for I for inventory instead of B for bags :) |
| 18:33.44 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 18:42.54 | Amarande | also regarding the boost, and as a strictly silly argument |
| 18:43.07 | Amarande | wonder if there will be those on RP servers who will insist that every Goblin character MUST buy a boost :) |
| 18:43.18 | Amarande | (you know, because time is money, friend! :) |
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| 19:01.04 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy I got a parrot |
| 19:01.20 | Kalroth | http://img.pr0gramm.com/2014/06/09/d7be90c591df5d69.gif weeeee |
| 19:02.38 | Amarande | hrm, at what level am I actually going to see any relevance to being on a pvp instead of a pve server, btw? :) |
| 19:02.46 | Amarande | as in actually having to regularly deal with world pvp as a thing? |
| 19:03.20 | Amarande | so far I'm level 38 on illidan and apart from one asshole gnome who seemed to be getting his jollies sniping on people one night in southern barrens I haven't seen any sign of world pvp at all |
| 19:03.24 | Amarande | or even of the opposite faction for that matter |
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| 19:03.40 | Amarande | (and yeah I know illidan is like, 99%+ horde, but we're talking crz zones here atm) |
| 19:06.12 | karl_w_w | oh my gosh a cello. how dramatiq |
| 19:06.55 | Amarande | hey, cellos and their cases can be useful. you've seen the living daylights, haven't you? :) |
| 19:07.11 | karl_w_w | sadly I have |
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| 19:09.14 | Cide | hi noobrik |
| 19:09.23 | Shirik | GUYS |
| 19:09.26 | Shirik | HEY GUYS |
| 19:09.29 | Shirik | SOMETHING AMAZING HAPPENED |
| 19:09.36 | Shirik | CIDE COMPLIMENTED ME |
| 19:09.56 | Shirik | I'm going to break out the good wine for this |
| 19:09.57 | Cide | everybody is shocked |
| 19:10.27 | Shirik | also Cide you should be playing wildstar |
| 19:13.44 | Cide | Shirik: I am looking at it now |
| 19:13.48 | Cide | but I don't have windows atm |
| 19:14.19 | karl_w_w | sims 4 |
| 19:14.48 | karl_w_w | they just created obama |
| 19:14.54 | Shirik | o.O |
| 19:15.55 | Primer | Seems wildstar is all the rage |
| 19:16.18 | Primer | but with how disappointing SW:TOR was, I don't think I can try to commit to a new MMO ever again |
| 19:18.10 | karl_w_w | holy fuck what a dumb idea, in sims 4 they can die of laughter |
| 19:18.43 | Primer | Have they announced a release date for that yet? |
| 19:18.49 | Primer | My daughter really wants it |
| 19:19.04 | Primer | So I'll need to figure out how to use that as leverage |
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| 19:20.31 | Dagmar | Have they made it public yet that they've chosen to partner with Ubisoft so they can make sure players have an "extended" amount of playtime while waiting for the DRM servers to come back up and/or stop malfunctioning? |
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| 19:20.57 | TC-Work | Primer: Ever again? |
| 19:21.05 | Primer | eh? |
| 19:21.13 | TC-Work | " I don't think I can try to commit to a new MMO ever again" |
| 19:21.17 | Primer | well |
| 19:21.26 | Dagmar | After Sims3 I'm just not interested in messing with their craptacular work again |
| 19:21.43 | Primer | I suppose it'd take all the people I know switching to a new MMO |
| 19:21.51 | Primer | and never returning to WoW |
| 19:22.00 | Dagmar | ...unless they're dumb enough to do like the did the last time and let you upload pretty much any filthy tainted thing into the community exchange stuff |
| 19:22.33 | Dagmar | If you wanted to encode some porno in SimsTV-size and bundle it in with your painted chair, their system didn't seem to notice |
| 19:23.10 | karl_w_w | please somebody murder these sports games |
| 19:23.30 | TC-Work | murders 'these sports games'. |
| 19:23.46 | Dagmar | I figure since it took them six months to get the Exchange stuff even remotely stable, and Ubi two weeks to manage to get mayorships in Watch_Dogs to happen, the two companies have a lot of compatible "piss off our customers" goals inn mind |
| 19:23.58 | Primer | So yesterday I discovered this excellent android app named Lakitu |
| 19:24.19 | Primer | it can stream twitch to chromecast |
| 19:24.40 | Primer | At the start of the day I installed it and discovered it didn't support search or followed streams |
| 19:24.49 | Primer | mid day there was an update that added it |
| 19:25.04 | Primer | I spent several hours watching streams on my TV |
| 19:25.21 | Primer | The official twitch app doesn't support chromecast...WTF? |
| 19:26.35 | karl_w_w | the twitch app barely supports video |
| 19:28.05 | Primer | Lakitu is really well done. After the update everything worked perfectly |
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| 20:24.51 | Amarande | oh yay, I just got PKed by someone closish to my level, LOL |
| 20:25.01 | Amarande | also, let's add Feralas to my list of "zones I'm not questing again on a pvp server" |
| 20:25.49 | Neffi | pk? |
| 20:26.07 | Amarande | player-killed |
| 20:26.13 | Neffi | Get looms |
| 20:26.27 | kd3 | you're on a pvp server. why are you complaining about getting PK'd? |
| 20:26.29 | Amarande | as in the sort where you get picked off, rather than actually having had a chance :) |
| 20:26.38 | Amarande | kd3: heh, it's not the getting PK'd itself that's the issue |
| 20:26.46 | Neffi | I can't imagine leveling an unfamiliar class on a PvE server. You miss out on valuable preparation and learning experience |
| 20:26.48 | Amarande | it's that I've just discovered Feralas is a really lousy zone to die in :) |
| 20:27.10 | Amarande | e.g., if you die while on that quest to get yeti hides towards the northwest part? |
| 20:27.21 | Neffi | Or rather, leveling the same in a dead zone, where it might as well be a PvE server |
| 20:27.29 | Amarande | huzzah, apparently the nearest graveyard is the one at dire maul, so you have to walk all the way round the mountain LOL |
| 20:27.52 | Primer | the expression is "ganked" |
| 20:27.58 | Primer | no such thing as PK |
| 20:28.02 | Amarande | it wasn't as bad to die in Southern Barrens, heh |
| 20:28.34 | Neffi | I feel like ganked refers to getting killed by a monstrously more powerful player, eg 20 levels above. When they're close to your level, it's not so much as a gank but fair game |
| 20:28.45 | Primer | naw |
| 20:28.49 | Primer | gank is pvp |
| 20:28.58 | Primer | pvp happened...on a pvp server... |
| 20:29.11 | Amarande | yeah, the deaths in Southern Barrens were ganking, goblin mage was a 90 |
| 20:29.13 | Neffi | Not in my experience. When people bitch about getting ganked, it's usually high level players hanging out just to kill lowbies |
| 20:29.26 | Amarande | But I still didn't mind those ones all that much, since the corpse run was bad |
| 20:29.34 | foxlit | PK is totally a thing. Off to //G.U. with you. |
| 20:29.53 | Amarande | It's not even the matter of having died to a player here in Feralas either, it's the fact that like I said, I've discovered that this part of Feralas is a really shitty place to die |
| 20:30.17 | Neffi | Submit a ticket -> moar gy plz |
| 20:30.31 | Neffi | Feralas is one zone that needs another GY |
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| 20:31.43 | Amarande | mind you, oddly enough it's not my longest corpse run ever |
| 20:32.06 | Amarande | that one happened as a newbie on Turalyon, I died in Felwood and went the wrong way as a ghost, which resulted in being in Darkshore and having to walk allllll the way around through Ashenvale in order to get back |
| 20:33.11 | Esamynn|work | I take it this was before the "return to GY" button |
| 20:33.12 | zenzelezz | the person who could make a tool that would read a book, then watch a series based on the book and strip out all the fiction would make a fortune |
| 20:33.34 | Amarande | Esamynn: yeah, this was back in BC |
| 20:33.42 | Neffi | zenzelezz: but isn't it all fiction? ;P |
| 20:33.55 | foxlit | which points to fiction being misused. |
| 20:34.01 | foxlit | probably “content not in the book" |
| 20:34.39 | Fisker | Hey foxlit |
| 20:34.52 | Neffi | Then you would probably destroy any semblance of plot. Sometimes artistic liberty needs to be taken to condense a long story thread down. |
| 20:35.23 | Semlar | NO, THE SHOW MUST BE EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE BOOK |
| 20:35.47 | Semlar | it should actually just be an audio book |
| 20:35.47 | Esamynn|work | ~lart Semlar |
| 20:35.47 | purl | executes killall -KILL Semlar |
| 20:35.56 | Neffi | aww, beat me to it, esa |
| 20:36.10 | Esamynn|work | ~fail Neffi |
| 20:36.10 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Neffi. I hate you because you fail. |
| 20:36.17 | Semlar | harsh |
| 20:36.22 | Neffi | D: I'll just leave then |
| 20:36.27 | Esamynn|work | ~botsnack |
| 20:36.27 | purl | Esamynn|work: aw, gee |
| 20:36.27 | Semlar | no neffi |
| 20:37.23 | Amarande | I'm still trying to figure out how MikScrollingBattleText keeps forgetting its font, though |
| 20:37.29 | Amarande | or failing to honour the setting, actually |
| 20:37.40 | Amarande | since if I look in the settings dialog I see my fonts, but most of the time it uses the default one for the addon instead |
| 20:39.08 | foxlit | hey Fisker. |
| 20:39.28 | Fisker | Hey period |
| 20:39.30 | Fisker | . |
| 20:40.15 | Amarande | mind you, this world pvp thing does suggest that at some point the boost might be the only way for someone to get into the game on pvp servers |
| 20:40.42 | Amarande | well ... if CRZ ever increases the player density on both factions in leveling zones high enough, anyway |
| 20:41.59 | Amarande | (as in, eventually I could see it coming to be that the only way to survive leveling in some cases might end up being to have looms, and if you're just starting on that realm, you'll have to have a high level already in order to get looms) |
| 20:45.02 | karl_w_w | http://www.craveonline.com.au/gaming/articles/703149-e3-2014-the-sims-4-gets-new-gameplay-footage-re-creates-obama see! i told you, they made obama! |
| 20:46.23 | Amarande | though given how unpopular the leveling zones actually are, even in crz's that feature the highest pop servers, I doubt that'll happen anytime soon |
| 20:50.28 | Amarande | then again, in that light, I could see it being to Blizzard's business advantage to tweak CRZ now to increase player density :) |
| 20:52.15 | Amarande | that'd probably have twofold positive outcomes, 1) some extra money for Blizz from people starting their first character on a PvP realm (whether or not they have others elsewhere), and 2) stem the tide of what seems to be the loss of players on most PvE realms |
| 20:52.59 | Amarande | anyway. that quest's done. remind me never to attempt it again on a pvp realm without looms. :) |
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| 21:16.23 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IZ_fctnakE I found this hilarious |
| 21:16.38 | karl_w_w | I like the amount of effort he puts into cyka |
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| 22:33.25 | Neffi | Anyone can recommend an RPG, RTS or hack-n-slash style game that'll play comfortably on an HD 3000? D3 is getting repetetive quickly |
| 22:33.52 | Neffi | No Bethesda or Blizzard games. I've played them all out |
| 22:33.59 | Mr_Rabies | do you have a controller, Neffi? |
| 22:34.17 | Neffi | yes, I have a DS3 and Motioninjoy, so Xinput games are fine |
| 22:34.24 | Mr_Rabies | preferably an xbox 360 controller because i have no clue how others work |
| 22:34.27 | Mr_Rabies | ah |
| 22:34.34 | Neffi | yeah, this emulates a 360 controller |
| 22:34.41 | Mr_Rabies | dark souls 2 is amazing |
| 22:34.54 | Neffi | I severely doubt it'll run comfortably on an HD 3000 |
| 22:34.56 | Mr_Rabies | have you played any of the Souls games? |
| 22:35.14 | Mr_Rabies | it runs comfortably on a geforce gtx 260 |
| 22:35.19 | Neffi | Not yet. I watched my cousin play DS1 the other day. It felt very Bethesda, but I'd be open to it |
| 22:35.22 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not sure how old the 3000 is in comparison |
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| 22:35.39 | Neffi | 3000 is the Sandy Bridge IGP. Probably a lot weaker than a GTX 260 |
| 22:35.56 | Mr_Rabies | DS2 runs a lot better than DS1, it's a much much better pc version |
| 22:35.57 | Mr_Rabies | ah, okay |
| 22:36.01 | Mr_Rabies | didn't realize that it was IGP |
| 22:36.50 | Mr_Rabies | i was thinking that was an AMD card |
| 22:36.57 | Neffi | It can push WoW and D3 on low settings (occassionaly medium), but can't handle big raids; for reference points. Skyrim runs if I use a mod to cut the resolution between 1/3rd and 1/2 dynamically (of my native 1366) |
| 22:37.07 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, lemme see |
| 22:38.04 | Mr_Rabies | not exactly what you asked for, but do you like metroidvanias? |
| 22:38.25 | Neffi | you mean games of the metroid/vania style? |
| 22:38.34 | Mr_Rabies | yup |
| 22:38.42 | Neffi | Never played them enough, so maybe |
| 22:38.57 | Mr_Rabies | la mulana and guacamelee are both really good and both 99% 2D so they should run on anything |
| 22:39.29 | Neffi | Guacamelee sounds like a ridiculous enough name to be good. I'll check em both out. Thanks |
| 22:41.29 | Amarande | hrm |
| 22:41.35 | Amarande | would torchlight play well on an HD 3000? |
| 22:41.47 | Amarande | or is Torchlight considered too Blizzardy (Diablo style gameplay, former Blizzard devs)? |
| 22:42.33 | Neffi | Graphics look simpler than D3 so maybe |
| 22:43.09 | Mr_Rabies | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpHN5_H4b08 neffi |
| 22:44.22 | Neffi | o.O |
| 22:47.20 | Mr_Rabies | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtAFGes3Xdo and here's la mulana |
| 22:53.50 | Amarande | How did you end up needing the IGP? :( |
| 22:54.05 | Neffi | what? |
| 22:54.30 | Amarande | did your graphics card bite the dust? |
| 22:55.08 | Neffi | I bought this notebook for school. It was good enough to play WoW but still portable. Could never afford to build something actually good for gaming |
| 22:56.14 | Amarande | ah, laptop |
| 22:56.17 | Neffi | Nowadays I'll never buy a notebook again. I'd rather get a tablet for school stuff |
| 23:13.13 | TC-Work | Or one that does both. |
| 23:13.20 | TC-Work | Like a surface. |
| 23:13.38 | Neffi | Nah, I might as well has a laptop at that point. |
| 23:18.35 | Amarande | heh, apparently people have actually managed to play wow on windows tablets |
| 23:18.49 | Amarande | ... with the framerate and response time that must have, I pray I never see them in a raid LOL |
| 23:21.49 | Mr_Rabies | a tablet as a secondary input device would be neat |
| 23:22.03 | Mr_Rabies | spells and whatnot |
| 23:22.22 | Mr_Rabies | oh man a game that used a tablet to cast spells would be neat |
| 23:23.10 | Mr_Rabies | not for wow, but like, draw the spell's finger movements o the tablet to cast them |
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| 23:26.42 | Neffi | Amarande: They're basically laptops without the keyboard part, so why not? If I can play it on a Sandy Bridge IGP, I bet it runs quite alright on a Haswell IGP |
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| 23:32.07 | Amarande | Yeah, but the tablets use the super low power versions, right? |
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| 23:32.39 | Amarande | Plus I'm trying to imagine how you'd enter your actions |
| 23:32.59 | Amarande | I wouldn't want to use one of those Surface case keyboards for fast gaming, heh |
| 23:42.37 | Neffi | Amarande: I'm not clear on that, but it's hard to say. If you get a Haswell model that has an Iris GPU, it's considerably faster than the Sandy Bridge IGP. And even the low power versions probably don't download the GPU considerably |
| 23:43.14 | Neffi | I'd bet a good Surface will run circles around my machine for gaming. Of course that's comparative, because you still just have an IGP, not a real gaming GPU |
