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| 00:08.00 | airtonix | numberofpeoplewhounderstandembermetal.com |
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| 01:37.42 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: yes I have it; it appears to be just the deluxe preorder title |
| 01:37.55 | Gnarfoz | that should be Chosen of the Eldan |
| 01:37.57 | Gnarfoz | or whatever it is |
| 01:38.14 | Gnarfoz | Chosen of the Progenitors |
| 01:38.30 | Gnarfoz | or are there separate ones for "deluxe" and "deluxe + preorder" |
| 01:38.40 | Gnarfoz | that might be it... the achievement has no description >_> |
| 01:40.12 | Shirik | not sure |
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| 02:11.45 | Shirik | I don't understand this login queue thing |
| 02:11.53 | Shirik | Log in, see 1000 people in queue, estimated time 1 hour 45 minutes |
| 02:12.01 | Shirik | 3 minutes later, 900 people in queue, estimated time 2 hours 15 minutes |
| 02:15.33 | Gnarfoz | a dev said on twitter that you should ignore the queue time estimation since it's stupid |
| 02:15.49 | Gnarfoz | instead, use ~1 hour for each 1000 people |
| 02:16.31 | airtonix | it's stupid? dean hall probably made it. |
| 02:16.33 | Gnarfoz | actually a CM, but nevermind https://twitter.com/CRB_Anlath/status/473114764051505152 |
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| 02:18.50 | Shirik | neat: http://dk.okfn.org/2014/05/28/open-electoral-data-reveal-errors-in-danish-electoral-results/?utm_content=bufferc0e0f&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer |
| 02:27.16 | Arrowmaster | is GoT out yet? |
| 02:27.35 | airtonix | no |
| 02:28.26 | Kesava | i know i'm late and everything but that primary/replica thing is most dumb thing evar |
| 02:28.54 | Kesava | .. /endofmycontributions |
| 02:29.23 | Arrowmaster | i forgot what time it airs, it must be airing now then right? |
| 02:40.21 | plaw | http://i.imgur.com/41u2Brb.jpg |
| 02:43.25 | Gnarfoz | airtonix is trolling you |
| 02:43.28 | Gnarfoz | it's been out for 40 minutes |
| 02:43.50 | Semlar | it aired at 9 est |
| 02:43.55 | airtonix | Gnarfoz is trolling you |
| 02:44.18 | Arrowmaster | im not seeing it online yet, but im not looking very hard |
| 02:44.55 | airtonix | hey Gnarfoz, i don't agree with you, therefore you're trolling me |
| 02:45.03 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 02:45.37 | plaw | Fisker: |
| 02:45.44 | Gnarfoz | you're plain answering wrongly intentionally (unless you also didn't look) |
| 02:45.56 | airtonix | see. |
| 02:47.10 | Gnarfoz | see what? |
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| 03:29.04 | Kesava | SEE? |
| 03:37.52 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: Example of why I love Wildstar's combat system https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10100332571940358&set=a.835300743848.2201987.39704112&type=1&theater¬if_t=photo_comment |
| 03:38.03 | Shirik | stupidity is punished |
| 03:41.38 | Thunder_Child | According to that Shirik, you were at 0 health. |
| 03:41.51 | Shirik | it's a bug |
| 03:42.01 | Shirik | the overkill thing doesn't actually work |
| 03:42.06 | Shirik | it always says the exact same value |
| 03:42.45 | Thunder_Child | There are quite a few bugs. Luckily, none are game breaking....so far. |
| 03:42.52 | Shirik | and in case you don't believe me, I just died again :P http://i.gyazo.com/47ea55d3a7cfa3ccdd0ab42db51d5f09.png |
| 03:44.33 | Arrowmaster | damnit theyre deviating from the books again |
| 03:52.41 | karl_w_w | Arrowmaster, http://tvcountdown.com/s/game-of-thrones |
| 03:54.07 | Torhal | karl_w_w: Clearly wrong, since it's already aired. |
| 03:54.09 | Torhal | >.> |
| 03:54.10 | Torhal | <.< |
| 03:54.36 | karl_w_w | how foolish of me to not notice that |
| 04:11.57 | Arrowmaster | at least they got oberyns lines right during the fight |
| 04:44.09 | karl_w_w | there's a fight? in game of thrones? spoilers man |
| 04:44.16 | Fisker | why is it neat Shirik ? |
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| 05:00.46 | Fisker | I might hurt you Shirik |
| 05:09.55 | airtonix | he's busy using silly image uploading services |
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| 05:59.27 | kd3 | gah. the mental hula hoops going from ilvl565 in wow to level 20 in wildstar is annoying. "what, that mob has 2 million health? I can solo it". a raid of 25 players and 10 minutes later... |
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| 06:17.00 | zenzio | so, my payment provider issue continues. Clock finally hits 08:00, and I call their support line. Start explaining the problem, and the person says "yeah, there's a problem with the test URL. You can use [old API URL]". I ask him if the new API works there? "Yes" |
| 06:17.41 | zenzio | good, I think. Now, I don't know exactly how PHP's SoapClient behaves, or how the server processes things, but the new and old WSDLs wildly differ in what they provide |
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| 06:26.48 | airtonix | your problem is php |
| 06:28.26 | Trela | The problem is the PHP SoapClient is a giant piece of shit and I advised only using it if you enjoy cutting your wrists. |
| 06:32.03 | mitch0 | s/SoapClient// |
| 06:36.08 | Arrowmaster | Dark Souls became available for free today on xbox, its such great entertainment reading newcomers cry about how hard it is |
| 06:39.06 | airtonix | oh xbox |
| 06:39.12 | airtonix | not free then |
| 06:39.30 | airtonix | pls Arrowmaster |
| 06:39.59 | airtonix | i bet you're the kind of guy who goes afk in place of NPCs |
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| 07:46.13 | Shirik | omg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eD2UpdhbwA |
| 07:48.00 | nevcairiel | that was great Shirik |
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| 07:55.35 | airtonix | yeah, double plus good. I used it to save someones life. |
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| 08:47.13 | jleclanche | Shirik: in the frozen subtitles, the giant snowman is actually referred to as "Marshmallow" |
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| 09:50.23 | Breagha | Hey :) - I'm doing something stupid here - http://pastebin.com/z2BxNBvX - and I can't see what it is... Why do I keep creating new frames? When I used this method in another script, it only creates the frame if it doesn't already exist... |
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| 10:18.41 | nevcairiel | timeFrame is a local, of course it'll always be nil |
| 10:30.19 | Breagha | Oh... But I did the exact same thing in another script... It worked there... |
| 10:31.51 | Breagha | I guess it can't have been the same thing, then... I'll try making it not local |
| 10:42.19 | Breagha | I'm too tired for this, I think... nap time, then new eyes :) |
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| 10:44.49 | airtonix | nevcairiel: you scared him off |
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| 13:11.45 | Fisker | "hi" Lopeppeppy |
| 13:12.00 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Fiskerboo. Happy Maundy. |
| 13:12.17 | Fisker | maundy? |
| 13:17.54 | Fisker | Moonspeak for monday? |
| 13:19.01 | Lopeppeppy | I'm very moony today. |
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| 13:25.08 | Fisker | >_> |
| 13:25.39 | Fisker | please don't, it's already summer here |
| 13:28.02 | karl_w_w | wow, so much summer in here |
| 13:32.31 | Lopeppeppy | F summer and the frakin' sun. |
| 13:34.04 | karl_w_w | jonathan frakin? |
| 13:35.48 | Lopeppeppy | Someone's frakkin somewhere. |
| 13:38.04 | Lopeppeppy | Also, I am not allowed to sell magic beans during duty hours. |
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| 13:53.51 | Fisker | fracking? |
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| 14:49.42 | airtonix | Fisker: stop being vulgar |
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| 15:02.44 | bluspacecow | lol fisker |
| 15:02.49 | bluspacecow | you been time travelling again ? |
| 15:02.56 | bluspacecow | http://www.retronaut.com/2012/12/a-demon-firing-a-rifle/?utm_content=buffere8cda&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer |
| 15:03.09 | bluspacecow | giving rifles to demosn in the middle ages ? bad form fisker! |
| 15:03.13 | Fisker | not lately but maybe I am in the future |
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| 15:53.00 | Unkle | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/06/wildstar-developer-chad-moore-on-the-challenges-of-mmos/ - puff piece. |
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| 16:22.46 | bluspacecow | fisker |
| 16:22.57 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 16:23.02 | bluspacecow | are you Fabulous ? |
| 16:24.11 | Fisker | Yes |
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| 16:30.06 | bluspacecow | Excellent. Stay classy |
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| 17:24.16 | Fisker | I'm hungry Lopeppeppy |
| 17:24.20 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:25.05 | Lopeppeppy | Eat some lunch, dear. |
| 17:25.13 | Fisker | It's evening |
| 17:25.52 | Lopeppeppy | Eat some cake then. |
| 17:26.49 | bluspacecow | with Chocolate cookies |
| 17:26.50 | bluspacecow | and Bacon |
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| 17:27.17 | Adys | Shirik: ping |
| 17:27.52 | Shirik | hi adys |
| 17:28.01 | Shirik | also jleclanc_ |
| 17:28.06 | Shirik | and Guest74203 |
| 17:28.15 | jleclanc_ | Shirik: wildstar guilds are realm-wide or continent-wide? |
| 17:28.21 | jleclanc_ | like can you get invited to a guild cross-realm |
| 17:28.30 | Shirik | I don't believe so |
| 17:28.39 | Shirik | I haven't tried it |
| 17:28.40 | jleclanc_ | damn it i need a sure answer |
| 17:28.42 | Shirik | it would be REALLY weird |
| 17:28.50 | Shirik | because guilds are meant to play with each other constantly |
| 17:28.55 | jleclanc_ | how dare you be a fan of wildstar without knowing all its intricacies |
| 17:29.06 | Fisker | nice Lopeppeppy |
| 17:29.11 | Shirik | cross-realm grouping is available but it doesn't work quite to that level |
| 17:29.12 | Fisker | I was about to die from starvation |
| 17:29.16 | Fisker | but your tips helped me through it |
| 17:29.20 | Shirik | like if you're in a guild and NOT in a group, it's a bad thing |
| 17:29.23 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 17:29.27 | Fisker | I asked you a question |
| 17:29.32 | Shirik | so cross-realm guilds would be really strange |
| 17:29.38 | Shirik | I could test it right now if you want |
| 17:29.41 | jleclanc_ | Shirik: do you at least know if the guild names are available cross realm or per-realm? |
| 17:29.57 | jleclanc_ | like can you have <Bag of Cocks> on two different realms |
| 17:30.01 | Shirik | I believe they're per realm |
| 17:30.37 | jleclanc_ | final question, how do you create them and what level do you need to be |
| 17:31.34 | Shirik | I don't think there's a level limit but you need 10g |
| 17:31.56 | Shirik | and you just talk to the dude |
| 17:32.35 | jleclanc_ | alright |
| 17:32.44 | jleclanc_ | bonus question then, do you have 10g. |
| 17:35.35 | Fisker | I got 10 grams for $50 |
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| 17:36.54 | Fisker | hey g0urra |
| 17:46.51 | g0urra | hey Fisker |
| 17:48.54 | Fisker | hey g0urra |
| 17:48.57 | Fisker | you hey much better than Shirik |
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| 17:57.53 | Unkle | jleclanc_: Heh. I'm scrounging for cash in the headstart, and I don't even have 10g. |
| 17:59.13 | Unkle | (granted, I'm not playing hardcore) |
| 18:02.02 | TC-Work | I think I have _maybe_ 2 or 3 golds |
| 18:02.05 | TC-Work | gold* |
| 18:03.57 | Unkle | I took two gathering skills and got a nice offer for my iron ore in trade. And in the beta, even the vendor paid well for those components. |
| 18:05.40 | Gnarfoz | don't craft, don't repair, don't buy all skills, don't do housing... and you should have enough gold to buy a mount when you're level 15 (or probably enough for a guild, not both, though) |
| 18:05.47 | Gnarfoz | at least that was my experience during beta ^^ |
| 18:06.17 | TC-Work | Or guy the DE and have a house and mount. |
| 18:06.56 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/tLdtSbY i dont know who any of the first 6 people are |
| 18:07.35 | karl_w_w | and you dont resign from being monarch |
| 18:09.14 | Primer | Anyone here getting one of these: http://oneplus.net/one |
| 18:09.15 | karl_w_w | unless you're a twat, like edward viii |
| 18:09.47 | Gnarfoz | nobody's getting one, since they produce like 10 of them per year |
| 18:10.36 | karl_w_w | if google havent canned it, im sure the next nexus will be better than it |
| 18:10.46 | karl_w_w | next nexus, or nextus if you will |
| 18:11.12 | Gnarfoz | you mean Android Silver? |
| 18:11.14 | Primer | So you're saying this phone has no future? |
| 18:11.24 | Gnarfoz | this phone has no *present*, is what I'm saying |
| 18:11.48 | Primer | That was one of the things I was looking for in the reviews, the ability to use google apps, since google likes to "ban" phones it doesn't like |
| 18:12.09 | Gnarfoz | "ban phones"? that's not how it works |
| 18:12.18 | Primer | but all I read was "This phone is amazing!" |
| 18:12.49 | karl_w_w | jury's out on if there'll be a nexus this year or if it'll just be android silver, Gnarfoz |
| 18:12.56 | Gnarfoz | ok |
| 18:13.07 | Gnarfoz | Primer: the phone is great, but you'd be the first to actually get one |
| 18:13.35 | karl_w_w | "Launch your favorite apps more quickly than ever before. Tap twice and your screen will come to life, or draw a simple image on the sleeping screen to launch your preferred app." there's the reason I wouldn't buy this phone |
| 18:13.46 | Gnarfoz | first they asked people to smash their old smartphone and send in video of that, then realized that's a bullshit idea. then there was a lottery, not sure what the state is now. |
| 18:14.03 | Primer | yeah, the smashing thing is stupid |
| 18:14.24 | Primer | as one of the reasons I'm even looking at a new phone is because I need to get another phone for one of my kids |
| 18:15.51 | Primer | as he cheapo android phone she had just died |
| 18:16.00 | karl_w_w | Primer: http://www.nokia.com/au-en/phones/phone/106/ |
| 18:16.14 | Primer | no |
| 18:16.50 | karl_w_w | you're right, it's too colourful |
| 18:19.13 | Gnarfoz | Moto G? |
| 18:20.45 | Unkle | Primer http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/06/the-samsung-z-is-the-worlds-first-commercial-tizen-phone/ - you know, if you like android clones. |
| 18:20.50 | Primer | What about a recommendation for an inexpensive unlocked android phone? |
| 18:20.55 | Unkle | (note, not a serious suggestion) |
| 18:21.11 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/e1.jpg << well, what do you play then? |
| 18:22.23 | Primer | wtf, there's a 10 mana card? |
| 18:22.30 | Primer | I really don't play HS much |
| 18:22.41 | karl_w_w | foxlit, go back in time and dont put temple enforcer in your deck |
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| 18:22.52 | Fisker | There are cards above 10 mana |
| 18:22.56 | foxlit | But it’s all kinds of useful! |
| 18:23.09 | Fisker | Hi foxlit |
| 18:23.17 | karl_w_w | what you do is hit him in the face and pass |
| 18:23.59 | karl_w_w | and use a circle so u dont burn a card |
| 18:24.33 | karl_w_w | then next turn you can either MC sylvanas, or if he trades just holy nova |
| 18:32.52 | pompy | http://www.ustream.tv/nasajpl2 |
| 18:33.01 | pompy | NASA JPL talking abou the flying saucer! |
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| 18:36.36 | Cide | hi hello |
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| 18:41.23 | karl_w_w | http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-raises-eyebrows-after-linking-wwii-dday-memorial-with-policies-on-mining-and-carbon-taxes-20140602-39cuy.html most 1-sided poll in human history at the bottom of that article |
| 18:47.05 | zenzelezz | and he seems like such a jolly fellow |
| 18:47.43 | karl_w_w | he's a fucking cunt is what he is |
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| 18:55.08 | Arrowmaster | Primer: if that rumored moto g with lte and a microsd slot came out then thats probably the best inexpensive one |
| 18:56.27 | Arrowmaster | Primer: did you decide if you wanted to come to blizzcon? i still need to sell my last spare ticket |
| 18:57.51 | Primer | not for $200 |
| 18:58.12 | Gnarfoz | no, it's going to be more expensive :P |
| 19:02.53 | Arrowmaster | if i dont sell it before the con ill probably give it away |
| 19:05.57 | karl_w_w | you'll never find a buyer if you tell them that :P |
| 19:07.05 | zenzelezz | reminds me of the sales guy in the Simpsons |
| 19:09.04 | Primer | Arrowmaster: I'd go for free :) |
| 19:09.20 | Primer | since it'd be just a day off work and a 20 minute drive |
| 19:09.45 | Primer | sigh, Skada still doesn't save world boss segments |
| 19:09.52 | Arrowmaster | if i give it away i might keep the goodie bag depending on whats in it |
| 19:10.00 | Primer | I did 725k DPS on Ordos |
| 19:10.21 | Primer | me and 2 other DPS carried everyone |
| 19:16.54 | Shirik | for those of you comic guys that may be looking for something a little off-the-beaten-path, this is one of my favorites, and it's free today: https://www.comixology.com/Locke-Key-Welcome-To-Lovecraft-1/digital-comic/16358 |
| 19:17.01 | Unkle | I did LFR on Saturday (I'm trying to finish the legendary cloak before the expansion hits) - I spent most of a boss fight dead and STILL managed to be #3 DPS for that fight. |
| 19:18.07 | Primer | people in LFR are bad |
| 19:18.17 | Primer | I've decided I'm not wasting my time with another cloak |
| 19:18.28 | TC-Work | Primer: You should at least go for the dinner. |
| 19:18.31 | Primer | I find more enjoyment from RBGs |
| 19:18.47 | Primer | TC-Work: What time/day? |
| 19:18.52 | Primer | I could probably make that |
| 19:19.01 | Unkle | I'm working on my first. I'm ... super casual about play these days. once or twice a week, working on specific goals. |
| 19:19.11 | Primer | meh, I play every day still |
| 19:19.14 | TC-Work | Primer: It's thursday night at some point, Cairenn will post it on the forums when she figures it out. |
| 19:19.16 | Primer | it's my only hobby |
| 19:19.45 | Primer | lately I've been doing a lot of RBGs, trying to find a consistent group for 2k |
| 19:19.57 | Unkle | Primer: I'm just sort of run down after playing since 2004 |
| 19:20.27 | Primer | well, I've not been able to find any other games I like |
| 19:20.35 | Primer | I did SW:TOR for 4 months |
| 19:20.43 | Primer | then when I realized it sucked, I stopped |
| 19:22.46 | Unkle | I noodle around with other games, DIII, Hearthstone sometimes, trying out Wildstar now. But I'm not really 'feeling' any of them, you know? |
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| 19:23.03 | TC-Work | No, no I don't. |
| 19:23.06 | Primer | I know exactly |
| 19:23.25 | Primer | I played BF4 for a while. I've always loved FPS |
| 19:24.02 | Primer | but...it just wasn't doing it for me doing the same thing over and over. Yes, I know that in WoW you ultimately do the same thing over and over |
| 19:24.14 | Primer | but it's different somehow |
| 19:25.47 | Shirik | So I just got sent an email. It contains a PDF. The text of the email describes what will be found in the PDF. |
| 19:26.02 | Primer | it's not a pdf |
| 19:26.02 | Shirik | The PDF is 2 sentences, in times new roman 12 point font, with plain black on white text. |
| 19:26.08 | Shirik | The email is longer than the PDF |
| 19:26.32 | Shirik | literally the description of what you are about to read is longer than the thing you actually read |
| 19:26.33 | Fisker | Hey Shirik |
| 19:26.35 | Primer | well, in the case of the email attachment my wife recently opened, it was a file.pdf.scr |
| 19:26.36 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 19:26.43 | Fisker | Finally |
| 19:26.58 | Shirik | Primer: Not only do we block such attachments, but we also use digital signatures on all emails :) |
| 19:27.01 | Fisker | So why do you hate on democracy? |
| 19:27.11 | Shirik | because I'm an american |
| 19:27.35 | karl_w_w | have you played metro, Primer? |
| 19:27.53 | Primer | Shirik: well, I run my own mail server, which runs everything via clamav, but I have a feeling that isn't quite working |
| 19:27.56 | TC-Work | I almost installed 2033, but I went with pirate assassian instead. |
| 19:28.02 | Primer | karl_w_w: no |
| 19:28.05 | Shirik | Primer: I generally do not believe in virus scanners |
| 19:28.18 | Shirik | their very nature implies that they are always one step behind |
| 19:28.21 | Primer | Shirik: me neither, which is why I have none installed on any of my home machines |
| 19:28.41 | Primer | where my wife and kids all have their own machines |
| 19:28.48 | karl_w_w | metro 2033 and the sequel last light are creepy, atmospheric FPSs where you pretty much never do the same thing |
| 19:29.11 | Primer | the only incident recently is that of my wife opening the .scr file...been incident-free for years before that |
| 19:29.21 | Primer | not sure why she was compelled to open this one... |
| 19:29.25 | Primer | must be complacency |
| 19:31.49 | Arrowmaster | i just use gmail and never receive any of that crap |
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| 19:49.40 | Primer | I'd have to convert my domain over |
| 19:49.49 | Primer | I've been running my own mail server for a very long time |
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| 20:00.54 | plaw | so apple have embraced and extended opengl for the web? most excellent... |
| 20:01.09 | plaw | I also like the bit where all your obj-c is about to be come useless |
| 20:02.26 | Esamynn|work | become? |
| 20:04.15 | Unkle | http://fashionablygeek.com/hats/this-graduate-is-clearly-a-warcraft-player/ |
| 20:04.26 | plaw | Esamynn|work: https://itunes.apple.com/au/book/swift-programming-language/id881256329?mt=11 |
| 20:04.33 | Shirik | plaw: except that Apple could have done the right thing and used an existing language |
| 20:04.39 | Shirik | but instead they had to reinvent the wheel again |
| 20:04.41 | plaw | every senior iOS programmer has become a junior overnight |
| 20:04.54 | plaw | and the recruiters are now looking for 'Swift programmers with 5+ years experience" |
| 20:05.01 | Esamynn|work | plaw: (as in, I thought it already was) :P |
| 20:05.28 | Shirik | I bet if I put on my resume 5+ years experience with swift, it would get through most hiring processes until the final interview |
| 20:05.30 | plaw | Esamynn|work: oh. heh. I should get another coffee. just gone 06:00 here... |
| 20:05.36 | plaw | Shirik++ |
| 20:05.52 | Esamynn|work | Shirik: sounds likely |
| 20:06.45 | alestane | I was watching that going "There wasn't an existing language you could have leveraged?" |
| 20:06.46 | Esamynn|work | Apple is creating their own language... |
| 20:06.49 | Esamynn|work | facepalm |
| 20:07.03 | alestane | "Or more accurately, there wasn't one you already owned, right?" |
| 20:07.14 | karl_w_w | i think people need to just stop talking about apple really |
| 20:07.15 | plaw | just what the world needs. another fucking language |
| 20:07.20 | plaw | karl_w_w++ |
| 20:07.26 | alestane | They did that once already, Esamynn|work, or maybe it was NeXt. |
| 20:08.00 | Esamynn|work | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-s-q59Ddhask/T-7gqITVmTI/AAAAAAAACRQ/v1EjsKgB-bY/s973/the_apple_cycle.jpg |
| 20:08.03 | karl_w_w | apple make overprice computers and overpriced phones with shit software on them |
| 20:08.09 | alestane | It doesn't look like a bad language, I just don't see how it was necessary. |
| 20:08.15 | karl_w_w | there is far too much brainpower devoted to them |
| 20:08.16 | Esamynn|work | it's dated, I'd say we're at the last step of the cycle now, or pretty soon |
| 20:10.53 | karl_w_w | um, apple haven't been the leader in post-pc since 2010 |
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| 20:11.18 | Unkle | So wait, no one here was negative about the introduction of python, perl, java, etc? 'cause you know, new languages happen all the time. |
| 20:11.40 | Primer | most people here probably don't remember perl being "introduced" |
| 20:11.51 | Primer | unless we're all a bunch of old fuckers |
| 20:11.55 | Unkle | Oh, right. You're all young. |
| 20:12.04 | Primer | <-- old fucker |
| 20:12.13 | Primer | and I don't remember perl being introduced |
| 20:12.21 | Arrowmaster | when python first came out i thought it was some useless language only good for teaching people new to programming |
| 20:12.26 | plaw | Unkle: except for Java, those other languages grew by community and not launched by corporate |
| 20:12.31 | Unkle | It wasn't splashy Primer. |
| 20:12.53 | Unkle | plaw: C# anyone? |
| 20:13.02 | karl_w_w | when are they introducing Lua? |
| 20:13.21 | plaw | Unkle: out of the ones you listed :-) |
| 20:13.32 | alestane | Unkle, I'm quite fond of Go. And Swift actually looks very usable. But the only real reason I can see for introducing it is that the other languges with the features it showcases are falgships for organizations that aren't Apple, like C#. |
| 20:13.46 | alestane | sp* |
| 20:14.07 | Unkle | I'm just saying... new programming languages happen all the time. It's a fact of existence. Someone will invent a new language because they don't like the way some old ones work, or because they don't own it, or something. *shrug* |
| 20:14.25 | alestane | They're all converging on each other semantically, but since no-one wants to cede stewardship, they all apply their own syntaces. |
| 20:14.56 | alestane | At least it looks a hell of a lot more usable than Objective-C. |
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| 20:15.22 | alestane | The SmallTalk syntx should have died years ago. |
| 20:15.39 | plaw | Y U H8 SMALLTALK?!?!?!?!?!!? |
| 20:16.09 | alestane | [[Y [U H8]] SMALLTALK] |
| 20:16.53 | Unkle | SmallTalk delenda est |
| 20:16.55 | alestane | If anyone wants to check out the language guide, it's now available free at https://itunes.apple.com/gb/book/swift-programming-language/id881256329?mt=11 . It honestly doesn't look bad; I hope it will be usable in environments other than Apple's OSs. |
| 20:17.47 | alestane | "SmallTalk is gone", Unkle? |
| 20:18.18 | Shirik | Unkle: The fact that new languages happen all the time is a stain on our society |
| 20:18.30 | Shirik | We should be inventing new languages when they solve a PROBLEM |
| 20:18.34 | Shirik | not "because we're Apple" |
| 20:18.43 | alestane | Frequently that problem is "someone else owns it." |
| 20:18.58 | alestane | And Apple are by no means the only ones to see it. |
| 20:19.02 | Unkle | alestane: No, "SmallTalk must be destroyed" |
| 20:19.09 | plaw | wonder how much in-chip tuning for Swift will go on |
| 20:19.09 | Unkle | Carthago delenda est |
| 20:19.28 | alestane | C# pretty much exists because MicroSoft wanted Java without Sun/Oracle. |
| 20:19.42 | Unkle | Shirik: The world suffers from "we don't own that" or "Wasn't Invented Here" |
| 20:19.43 | Shirik | well |
| 20:19.48 | Shirik | Sun wanted Java without Microsoft |
| 20:20.03 | Arrowmaster | and c# is only so successful because people wrote mono because they wanted c# without microsoft |
| 20:20.11 | alestane | Google Translate rendered "delenda est" as "deleted". |
| 20:20.41 | Unkle | alestane: Latin. |
| 20:20.55 | alestane | It is, yes. |
| 20:21.07 | alestane | The trailing "est" kind of gave it away. |
| 20:22.17 | alestane | Google translates "Carhago delenda est" as "Carthage is to be destroyed" and "SmallTalk delenda est" as "SmallTalk deleted." |
| 20:22.47 | alestane | Even given that the source language is set to Latin in both cases. |
| 20:23.57 | Unkle | alestane: The first phrase is 'famous' enough and has been translated 'definitively' that they just pulled it out of a table |
| 20:24.23 | alestane | That's my guess as well. |
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| 20:36.06 | Simca | doesn't C# have substantially better performance than Java? |
| 20:39.31 | Gnarfoz | Java having "bad performance" is a myth anyway :p |
| 20:40.12 | Arrowmaster | it was more of the swing toolkit being a fucking pos right? |
| 20:40.21 | Iriel | AWT was the nightmare |
| 20:40.31 | Iriel | Swing is, in contrast, unicorns and sunshine. |
| 20:40.48 | Iriel | (and swing isn’t awesome, but it’s much better than AWT) |
| 20:41.07 | Arrowmaster | whatever it was, when people were actually still making desktop apps in java all of them had terribly unresponsive uis |
| 20:41.17 | Iriel | 90% of that is bad developers. |
| 20:41.22 | Iriel | IMHO |
| 20:41.48 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 20:42.33 | zenzelezz | won't lie, one of my main gripes with Java for desktop apps was when they didn't look nearly native |
| 20:43.30 | plaw | surely that was the native OS not being friendly to Java |
| 20:43.38 | plaw | so they couldn't really go native |
| 20:44.07 | Iriel | I think it was largely the conflict between a consistent API across all platforms, and platforms going in inconsistent directions. |
| 20:44.58 | Unkle | "Write Once, Run Anywhere" is sort of a myth for that reason. |
| 20:45.35 | plaw | yeah, but the platforms weren't enamoured to idea of making their APIs consistent enough for Java to look more native because it'd mean less $$ elsewhere in their biz |
| 20:46.33 | zenzelezz | I'm not blaming Java for it, it was simply something I didn't like |
| 20:47.11 | Iriel | Yeah, it didn’t help Java’s desktop existence. |
| 20:47.33 | Iriel | I mostly use java for server side stuff, and write once run (almost) anywhere is pretty achievable as long as you’re careful. |
| 20:47.43 | Iriel | And really it’s filesystems that screw you more than anything else. |
| 20:48.28 | Shirik | woah |
| 20:48.42 | Shirik | Citrix is being weird o.o |
| 20:48.56 | Shirik | I opened citrix and on my computer popped up a message saying "your computer was recently restarted to install updates!" |
| 20:49.06 | Shirik | and I'm like "... no it wasn't >.>" |
| 20:49.21 | Gnarfoz | that's what *you* think |
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| 20:52.49 | Esamynn|work | Iriel: that's been my experience as well |
| 20:52.59 | plaw | http://copywrong.cc/john-oliver-stop-calling-it-net-neutrality-its-preventing-cable-company-fkery/ |
| 21:09.40 | Unkle | That... was brilliant |
| 21:13.27 | Dashkal | Java unresponsive UIs explained: Threads are hard, lets just do all the work in the UI thread. |
| 21:13.55 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 21:19.58 | plaw | "The real win here is that I don't have to learn Objective-C. I've successfully waited a language out." |
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| 21:38.41 | Shirik | plaw: that was the greatest ever |
| 21:39.23 | Gnarfoz | you should watch the whole show ;p |
| 21:43.26 | Unkle | dolby: http://www.parrot.com/usa/products/bebop-drone/ |
| 21:43.59 | dolby | aye, saw their press conference. looks pretty cool. |
| 21:44.12 | dolby | I like they have an addon for actual RC controls too |
| 21:44.24 | plaw | people saying Swift is "like python but done good" |
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| 21:44.55 | Unkle | I was just seeing it for the first time and I thought you'd be into it. |
| 21:46.40 | Mr_Rabies | is there still not a JP dump? |
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| 21:57.37 | plaw | was there a consensus on Metal? |
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| 22:19.01 | TC-Work | Iriel: So one downside of the monitor is that when it is powered off it actually powers off the port, so windows no longer recognizes it as an attached display. |
| 22:19.17 | Iriel | TC-Work: that’s odd. |
| 22:19.32 | TC-Work | Anoying to say the least |
| 22:20.41 | TC-Work | Iriel: Only thing I can think of is that it is a green thing. |
| 22:23.04 | Unkle | TC-Work: What's the brand/model? |
| 22:23.26 | TC-Work | Unkle: SAMSUNG U28D590D |
| 22:24.48 | nevcairiel | many screens do that, causing windows to re-arrange your desktop when you turn one off |
| 22:25.00 | nevcairiel | but personally i've never really had issues with that, why would i turn one off |
| 22:25.16 | Unkle | Connected via HDMI? |
| 22:25.18 | kullervo | watching a movie or something? |
| 22:25.23 | TC-Work | Display Port |
| 22:25.36 | TC-Work | No, I turn them off instead of using a screen saver |
| 22:25.39 | TC-Work | when I leave |
| 22:25.47 | kullervo | anyway, there's software that can fix that by forcing monitor and/or window arrangement setups to remain they way you like |
| 22:25.51 | Unkle | Yeah, I can see that happening. |
| 22:26.04 | nevcairiel | i just have windows set to standby the screens |
| 22:26.09 | nevcairiel | but shrug, whatever works for you |
| 22:26.20 | TC-Work | Well out of 6 displays this is the first. |
| 22:28.15 | tlund | kullervo: software that can fix that by forcing monitor and/or window arrangement setups to remain they way you like?!? URL plz! :) |
| 22:29.05 | kullervo | tlund: I use DisplayFusion, it does.. things |
| 22:29.24 | kullervo | was on steam christmas sale IIRC |
| 22:29.25 | tlund | thanks kullervo, i'll check it out |
| 22:30.02 | kullervo | there was also some software that saved window layouts in what seemed to be a really smart manner but I didn't have the need for it at the time and so forgot the name |
| 22:36.13 | Stanzilla | Alram why |
| 22:36.15 | Stanzilla | why |
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| 22:54.54 | Shirik | so TIL |
| 22:55.10 | Shirik | the USS Voyager plaque not only lists all of the "characters" that were involved in "making" the ship |
| 22:55.31 | Shirik | but that each of the names on it is the actual name of the behind-the-scenes crewmembers for the show |
| 22:55.53 | Shirik | all shows should be this awesome |
| 22:58.05 | Unkle | Shirik: The "panels" in all the Star Trek TNG decor often had little fortune cookie like jokes on them for the extras to read during shooting. |
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| 23:22.39 | Gnarfoz | that's what you get on shows that were produced with the expectation that the resolution they'll be shown in won't be able to resolve those details :> |
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| 23:24.21 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 23:27.43 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: But all you have to do is run a NSIS "zoom and enhance" and be able to clear it up |
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| 23:27.58 | Gnarfoz | I think you mean NCIS? |
| 23:27.59 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:28.20 | Gnarfoz | NSIS is awesome, too, though ;) |
| 23:30.11 | Shirik | crap |
| 23:30.12 | Shirik | yes NCIS :P |
| 23:31.07 | Shirik | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbCWYm7B_B4&t=1m |
| 23:33.26 | airtonix | no shirik. bladerunner was firt. |
| 23:33.34 | airtonix | first etc and stuff |
| 23:44.10 | Gnarfoz | meh, Wildstar login servers not there :D and I decided to log out for a moment >_> |
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| 23:44.39 | Gnarfoz | or was just transient, already back... |
| 23:44.51 | Gnarfoz | the on-screen keyboard for the 2FA entry is a bit annoying :p |
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| 23:48.40 | plaw | lol http://superuser.com/questions/746497/what-hardware-device-used-to-eat-up-1-4gb-of-my-4gb-ram-and-now-suddenly-after/762821#762821 |
| 23:59.21 | Gnarfoz | that's certainly an interesting issue o_o :D |
