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| 00:02.31 | Neffi | he's also like "lol django, use flask" |
| 00:02.48 | Neffi | pokes Semlar. |
| 00:03.00 | Semlar | explodes |
| 00:03.05 | Neffi | o.o |
| 00:08.11 | Neffi | https://imgur.com/gallery/rRhOW |
| 00:08.16 | Neffi | Cairenn: ^ |
| 00:09.32 | Simca | Neffi: my hero |
| 00:09.47 | Neffi | :D |
| 00:10.20 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:10.38 | Neffi | so much derp and aww |
| 00:11.07 | Simca | a good third of those are cats doing the "crabwalk" with the prancing and the hunched back |
| 00:12.06 | Neffi | otherwise known as "i'm tall and scary, roar!.... no, stop awwwing at me" |
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| 00:50.51 | Fisker | I want to sleep Cairenn |
| 00:51.11 | Cairenn | sings Fisker a lullabye |
| 00:51.31 | Fisker | Oh why didn't I think of that |
| 00:51.56 | Cairenn | https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sleepsoftllc.com%2F&ei=IzOFU-StOcbY8AGW44GIDA&usg=AFQjCNEaVAHitvko9KqZMsvSumjrsZtJrQ&bvm=bv.67720277,d.b2U |
| 00:51.59 | Cairenn | err |
| 00:52.06 | Cairenn | http://www.sleepsoftllc.com/ |
| 00:52.10 | Simca | damn, $50 256GB Sandisk SSD on amazon right now if you have a kindle fire |
| 00:52.12 | Cairenn | <3 that |
| 00:56.39 | Shirik | I don't understand |
| 00:56.42 | Shirik | you have to have a kindle fire? |
| 01:01.03 | Wobin | SSD or SD? |
| 01:02.17 | Simca | SSD, and yes Shirik: http://slickdeals.net/f/6958858-sandisk-ultra-plus-256gb-ssd-for-49-kindle-special-offer |
| 01:03.14 | Shirik | I don't understand what kindle has to do with it |
| 01:03.49 | Simca | it's a kindle special offer; requires an amazon account with linked kindle fire |
| 01:04.09 | Shirik | yes I get that |
| 01:04.10 | Shirik | why |
| 01:04.24 | Wobin | yeah |
| 01:04.31 | Wobin | it's not like you can -use- it in a kindle fire |
| 01:04.48 | Simca | works well as a promotional opportunity i guess |
| 01:05.17 | Arrowmaster | as a way to make it up to the people that were unfortunate enough to buy a kindle fire |
| 01:05.18 | Wobin | "Haha, you can't expand the storage in your kindle, here, have some cheaps storage" =P |
| 01:06.44 | TC-Work | I have a kindle fire and I still see it for $120 |
| 01:07.27 | Shirik | "Qubits are the basic building blocks of a quantum computer, an undeveloped technology devised in the early 1980s. Unlike that of ordinary bits, the power of qubits grows exponentially with their number." |
| 01:07.44 | Shirik | Somebody doesn't know what "exponentially" means |
| 01:11.48 | Wobin | http://qz.com/213787/the-english-speaking-country-starbucks-cant-conquer/ |
| 01:11.55 | Neffi | or "power" |
| 01:12.39 | Wobin | I would read that as 'computing power' |
| 01:12.51 | Wobin | or complexity achievable |
| 01:13.15 | Wobin | and perhaps not exponential, but it's not a binary expansion, is it? |
| 01:13.19 | Torhal | Simca: Thanks. Just got mine. $12.90 due to my Rewards Visa. |
| 01:13.42 | Simca | awesome |
| 01:16.22 | Simca | unrelated: there is no simple way to check if a function has been hooked, right? |
| 01:16.58 | Wobin | not unless there's some central registration |
| 01:17.05 | Torhal | Not that I'm aware. |
| 01:17.19 | Shirik | in other amusing news “If every home in the world had solar panels on their roofs, global temperatures would drop by as much as thirty degrees over 20 years, and the Sun could die out within three hundred to four hundred years.” |
| 01:17.23 | Shirik | I loled |
| 01:17.40 | Simca | k. i'll just have to maintain a list of offending addons and watch if they're loaded |
| 01:17.46 | Shirik | Simca: there is kinda |
| 01:17.52 | Shirik | if it's a blizzard function |
| 01:17.54 | Torhal | Shirik: Satire site. |
| 01:17.57 | Shirik | Torhal: I know |
| 01:18.01 | Simca | it is a blizzard function |
| 01:18.06 | Shirik | but the fact that IFLS had to explain it is sad |
| 01:18.12 | Torhal | lol |
| 01:18.55 | Shirik | Simca: It's (theoretically) impossible to hook a function without tainting it, so you could check if it's still secure |
| 01:18.56 | Simca | my addon and another addon both try to modify the tooltip displayed by BattlePetTooltip_Show (a blizz function). the result is a feedback loop that causes the tooltip to disappear entirely |
| 01:19.18 | Simca | even using hooksecurefunc? |
| 01:19.22 | Neffi | Sounds like somebody isn't hooking properly then |
| 01:20.03 | Neffi | Simca: hooksecurefunc does indeed avoid taint, but it's solely a post-hook that throws away its returns |
| 01:20.16 | Simca | yeah, we're both using hooksecurefunc |
| 01:20.43 | Neffi | Somebody is causing side effects inside their hook body that they shouldn't, if what you described is being caused by the hooks |
| 01:20.58 | Shirik | uh |
| 01:21.05 | Shirik | if you're using hooksecurefunc it can't break anything |
| 01:21.22 | Shirik | I mean, the hooking part can't break anything |
| 01:21.26 | Shirik | obviously whatever they "do" could |
| 01:21.33 | Neffi | aye, that's what I meant |
| 01:21.34 | Shirik | but it wouldn't be the hooking that's responsible at that point |
| 01:22.18 | Simca | BattlePetTooltip_Show calls GameTooltip:Show() with a specific set of data, both of our hooks change the first line of the tooltip |
| 01:23.03 | Neffi | oh fuck, it's so hot my computer's about to overheat while it's totally idle |
| 01:23.14 | Shirik | you can't alter a function's behavior with hooksecurefunc |
| 01:23.18 | Neffi | summer sucks yo |
| 01:23.19 | Shirik | you can do additional things |
| 01:23.24 | Shirik | is it summer yet? |
| 01:23.27 | Shirik | I t hought it was still spring |
| 01:24.21 | Neffi | well apparently nobody told the sun it's supposed to be spring |
| 01:24.22 | Simca | this somehow can sometimes cause a series of C overloads if you're at the AH and browsing over a pet you haven't seen |
| 01:24.48 | Simca | and the tooltip ceases to show up after that |
| 01:24.50 | Shirik | I think your analysis on what's going on here is flawed |
| 01:25.07 | Shirik | what you're describing is impossible; it runs contrary to the very protection model employed |
| 01:25.22 | Shirik | the whole reason why hooksecurefunc() is safe is because it can guarantee that you can't alter what that function does |
| 01:25.39 | Neffi | I think he means they change the first line of the tooltip after the fact |
| 01:25.54 | Neffi | How it's causing an overflow, is probably a matter of accidental recursion maybe |
| 01:25.55 | Simca | We're not altering the function. The function alters an object and shows it. The hooks we use just change the first line of that tooltip. we don't touch the function. |
| 01:26.37 | Simca | since they're securehooks, they're post-hooks, so the tooltip is already set up and shown by the time the hooks run |
| 01:27.01 | Shirik | ok |
| 01:27.06 | Shirik | so it has nothing to do with the hook then |
| 01:27.16 | Shirik | and has everything to do with the fact that both of you are trying to do something that competes |
| 01:27.26 | Neffi | well Semlar, no chance I can play D3 with you. my computer can't take the heat :( |
| 01:27.38 | Semlar | :( |
| 01:27.40 | Simca | yes, but if I could detect the presence of his hook, i could know we were competing and stop trying to compete |
| 01:27.52 | Shirik | but that doesn't really tell you that such competition will exist |
| 01:27.55 | Shirik | it tells you one WAY it could happen |
| 01:28.38 | Neffi | Rather, you should investigate what's competing and rework it to account for this |
| 01:33.10 | Neffi | Ugh, I can't wait to dump this laptop off somewhere. 81C idle. |
| 01:33.31 | Neffi | and that's after I cooled ambient down considerably |
| 01:33.49 | kd3 | open it up and redo the thermal paste? |
| 01:34.10 | Neffi | I was considering it. Not sure if I can be arsed |
| 01:34.32 | Neffi | I think the paltry heatsink is just too little. And the fans don't move enough air to even feel at full spin |
| 01:34.52 | Simca | if it's a laptop you're probably screwed anyway; it's very rare to find one with adequate cooling that doesn't fall apart in a year |
| 01:35.28 | Neffi | One day soon I will build a desktop. One day soon. heh |
| 01:49.21 | Shirik | coughs *macbook* |
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| 01:52.00 | Neffi | ~lart Shirik |
| 01:52.00 | purl | flings poo at Shirik |
| 01:52.10 | Shirik | what |
| 01:52.19 | Neffi | "Shirik coughs *macbook*" |
| 01:52.26 | Shirik | I used to be like that too |
| 01:52.30 | Neffi | Probably the absolute last thing I'd buy |
| 01:52.32 | Shirik | I used to bash jnwhiteh |
| 01:52.36 | Shirik | and then I saw the light |
| 01:52.43 | Shirik | and I was like "why the fuck didn't I do this years ago" |
| 01:52.58 | Neffi | I have nothing against OS X. I just don't like it. And the last thing I want is another laptop. And the last thing I want is to overpay for given performance |
| 01:53.11 | Shirik | also |
| 01:53.21 | Shirik | my macbook outperforms my desktop for music production |
| 01:53.22 | Neffi | I'll be going with a desktop + tablet (when I go back to uni) from now on |
| 01:53.33 | Shirik | but that's mostly because windows architecture for audio is pathetic |
| 01:54.02 | Neffi | If I had actually gotten into music production, I might've cared. I was seriously considering it at a time |
| 01:54.14 | Wobin | I went and got an Alienware laptop |
| 01:54.26 | Wobin | (by knowing a DELL employee) |
| 01:54.43 | Neffi | Ahh. The price of a Macbook, the portability of a 90s-era laptop, and the battery life of a desktop. How can you go wrong with Alienware? ;) |
| 01:54.47 | Wobin | I don't advise it otherwise =P |
| 01:55.18 | Neffi | I seriously think gaming laptop is both an oxymoron, and moronic |
| 01:55.42 | Wobin | Neffi: until you actually want to go to a LAN party |
| 01:56.23 | Wobin | and you don't have a car to lug your desktop around |
| 01:57.01 | Neffi | Well I'm the type of person that would probably never go to a lan party. There's these things called internet multiplayer and VoIP |
| 01:57.21 | Wobin | Ah yes, you must live in a country where high speed interwebs is a common thing =) |
| 01:57.36 | Neffi | Fair enough. Well, not my whole country, but yes my area |
| 01:57.47 | Wobin | also, it's more about the socialisation for me, than the games themselves |
| 01:57.57 | kd3 | lans were always more about the filesharing than the games for me |
| 01:57.59 | Wobin | if socialisation can be applied to such things |
| 01:58.30 | Wobin | it's essentially a weekend slumber party for geeks |
| 01:58.34 | Neffi | If there's two things I'd want to mix, it's the experience of playing a game, and the experience of my drunk friends trying to fart on me :P |
| 01:58.49 | Wobin | you possibly need a better class of friends =P |
| 02:03.51 | Shirik | OH DEAR GOD I NEED ONE OF THESE https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/levelup/sabertron-foam-swords-with-electronic-scoring |
| 02:04.34 | Neffi | haha oh wow, so do I now |
| 02:04.45 | nebula169 | kd3: i always fucking hated those guys that just downloaded off of everyone's shares the entire lan instead of actually playing games |
| 02:04.48 | nebula169 | shakes fist |
| 02:05.16 | kd3 | I still played, but I was a crap CS player back then |
| 02:05.39 | kd3 | I'm still a crap CS player, but I was back then too |
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| 02:51.50 | jleclanche | Fisker: I was asleep |
| 02:52.14 | jleclanche | TC-Work: in which situation do you want to negate a \n? |
| 02:52.38 | Thunder_Child | jleclanche: looping through a list |
| 02:52.51 | jleclanche | so? |
| 02:52.53 | jleclanche | show me your code |
| 02:52.55 | Thunder_Child | also afk 10 min getting food |
| 03:00.32 | Thunder_Child | jleclanche: I'll link it tomorrow when I am at work. |
| 03:00.52 | jleclanche | Thunder_Child: fine, but you gotta stop being so obscure in your questions |
| 03:01.01 | jleclanche | i dont see how spaceless relates to what you were asking |
| 03:01.52 | Thunder_Child | simply an option that I tried. |
| 03:02.41 | jleclanche | Thunder_Child: print() writes a line to stdout and terminates it with \n by default. If you pass it the endl="" argument, it doesn't. |
| 03:03.08 | jleclanche | Thunder_Child: "in a template" makes no sense. In templates, you write {{ variables }} which are replaced by their content. no endline. |
| 03:04.06 | Thunder_Child | Well, that's how it outputs in a loop. Not sure what to tell you. And all it is on the python side is a list |
| 03:04.18 | Thunder_Child | I could try jsonifying it I suppose. |
| 03:04.30 | Thunder_Child | but I don't think that would help |
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| 03:08.21 | kd3 | wow ars. ctrl+f "smashed into each other" and look at the link. http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/05/beyond-gravity-the-complex-quest-to-take-out-our-orbital-trash/ |
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| 03:11.56 | Iriel | kd3: nice. |
| 03:12.09 | Iriel | kd3: Obviously their CMS does awesome link validation |
| 03:13.15 | jleclanche | Thunder_Child: a loop in django looks like this |
| 03:13.27 | jleclanche | {% for x in list %}{{ x }}{% endfor %} |
| 03:13.34 | jleclanche | x is replaced by whatever its contents are |
| 03:13.39 | Thunder_Child | yup |
| 03:13.44 | jleclanche | if there is a newline at the end of x, it means x contains a newline |
| 03:13.46 | Thunder_Child | thats what i have |
| 03:13.46 | jleclanche | so fix that |
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| 03:36.28 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: are you watching fargo? |
| 03:36.33 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: Not yet |
| 03:36.41 | jleclanche | I will watch the ep in a few mins |
| 03:36.45 | Arrowmaster | fucking brilliant, watch it now |
| 03:37.32 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: yeah well its loading |
| 03:38.42 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: you finished watching it? |
| 03:38.53 | Arrowmaster | no im only a few minutes into it |
| 03:39.03 | jleclanche | alright |
| 03:42.04 | airtonix | hi fisker |
| 03:44.07 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: i finally just got the title screen |
| 03:44.26 | Arrowmaster | 13 minutes in, everything before that was perfect |
| 03:46.11 | airtonix | good direction to run once you get out of the boot of a car.... into the distance along the headlight beams :s |
| 03:46.20 | airtonix | come on guy |
| 03:46.37 | airtonix | are you looking to die? |
| 03:46.45 | Arrowmaster | are you just now watching the first episode? |
| 03:47.13 | airtonix | yes |
| 03:47.16 | Wobin | live IRCing it =) |
| 03:47.18 | airtonix | and that annoys me |
| 03:48.54 | airtonix | probably the contributing factor that allowed him to end up semi naked in the boot |
| 03:50.24 | airtonix | what is this drivel |
| 03:50.33 | airtonix | Arrowmaster: dissapoint son |
| 03:50.41 | airtonix | dissapoint |
| 03:50.43 | Arrowmaster | watch until the end of ep1 |
| 03:50.59 | airtonix | i refuse |
| 03:51.24 | Arrowmaster | then you will end up watching the rest of the episodes before tomorrow night |
| 03:51.43 | airtonix | in fact. i'm going to attribute a portion of my ethernet cable to the amount of time i just watched and cut it out of the cable |
| 03:51.48 | airtonix | then splice it back to gether |
| 03:52.15 | airtonix | i might even have to write 0s to my hdd |
| 03:52.29 | airtonix | omg the ram and lcd |
| 03:52.36 | airtonix | Arrowmaster: you have cursed me |
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| 03:52.46 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: yeah that was an awesome title screen |
| 03:52.47 | jleclanche | shit |
| 03:53.17 | airtonix | time to watch a Bay masterpiece |
| 03:53.27 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: part of the charm of these sorts of series is the wait between episodes though. got, breaking bad, fargo |
| 03:53.30 | Arrowmaster | done trolling? |
| 03:57.33 | Thunder_Child | Never! |
| 04:09.06 | Arrowmaster | this scene is so perfect |
| 04:09.23 | Arrowmaster | absolutely nothing is happening on screen but its perfect |
| 04:09.28 | jleclanche | Im 7 mins behind you Arrowmaster |
| 04:13.12 | Arrowmaster | i want to yell out something but im trying to avoid spoilers |
| 04:13.45 | Neffi | what'cha watchin? |
| 04:13.50 | Arrowmaster | fargo |
| 04:16.39 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: this scene was indeed perfect |
| 04:16.45 | Arrowmaster | told you |
| 04:16.59 | jleclanche | funny how i immediately knew what you were talking about |
| 04:17.24 | Neffi | the TV show? I guess it's good? |
| 04:17.45 | Arrowmaster | id put it at top2 currently airing show |
| 04:18.17 | Neffi | I dunno. Turn is pretty good. GoT is great |
| 04:18.28 | Arrowmaster | turn is good but not as great |
| 04:18.38 | Neffi | I'll check it out |
| 04:18.54 | Arrowmaster | ep1 starts slow |
| 04:19.03 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: I just realized who the actors are hahahah |
| 04:19.24 | Arrowmaster | the fbi agents? |
| 04:19.33 | jleclanche | yes |
| 04:20.13 | Neffi | if it sucks, I'ma ~lart you ;) |
| 04:20.23 | Arrowmaster | i didnt catch it, who are they? |
| 04:20.47 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: key and peele |
| 04:21.01 | jleclanche | http://www.bustle.com/articles/25793-key-peele-hit-fargo-as-fbi-agents-we-love-them-so-this-is-going/image/25793 |
| 04:22.44 | jleclanche | and yeah i wouldnt put fargo ahead of GoT |
| 04:23.27 | jleclanche | id put it just behind breaking bad |
| 04:24.02 | Neffi | I'd put Turn 2-3 notches below BB, so that sounds about right |
| 04:24.10 | Neffi | But Turn has potential yet to be better |
| 04:25.09 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: hell of an episode |
| 04:25.16 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 04:25.35 | jleclanche | back to 6FU :p |
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| 04:38.25 | Arrowmaster | guess ill catch up on knights of sidonia now |
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| 04:47.56 | Wobin | oh man |
| 04:48.01 | Wobin | how not to do game PR http://mumbrella.com.au/australia-square-evcauated-bomb-squad-called-pr-agency-sends-suspicious-package-ninemsn-229352 |
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| 05:14.18 | karl_w_w | why not Wobin |
| 05:14.19 | karl_w_w | it worked |
| 05:14.46 | Wobin | by the time they got it unlocked, it was probably too late to review it in time =P |
| 05:14.50 | karl_w_w | the goldfish was more stupid |
| 05:15.03 | Wobin | most pr stunts involving live animals is stupid |
| 05:15.30 | Wobin | eg http://shanghaiist.com/2014/05/27/look_model_has_live_butterflies_pin.php |
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| 05:58.14 | airtonix | should have sent a white safe |
| 05:58.23 | airtonix | and comic sans typeface on the letter |
| 05:58.37 | Wobin | yeah, except they'd think a clown sent it |
| 05:58.42 | Wobin | and that'd be creepier |
| 05:59.13 | airtonix | still, bomb scare aside... how is any of that even related to watchdogs? |
| 05:59.38 | airtonix | time to promote minecraft with giant robots |
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| 06:03.47 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK1vPu6U2B0 I wanna know where they live that they can afford all that on $44k |
| 06:05.49 | karl_w_w | a place to live on your own at $420 / fortnight is simply impossible in perth |
| 06:08.01 | airtonix | come to adelaide |
| 06:11.02 | karl_w_w | you'd have to pay me to live in adelaide :P |
| 06:12.10 | airtonix | how can perth be any more exciting though? |
| 06:12.34 | airtonix | it's lke, dust and surrounded by lean to tin sheds for petrol addicts |
| 06:12.53 | airtonix | with a bit of a stream running through it |
| 06:13.04 | airtonix | overlooked by mining warlords |
| 06:13.44 | airtonix | at least we have wine |
| 06:13.54 | karl_w_w | we have wine as well |
| 06:14.10 | karl_w_w | and deforestation, lots of that |
| 06:14.52 | airtonix | i'd like some of that actually |
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| 06:34.10 | zenzio | so Monday morning at 08:03 I senta customer an e-mail, "Would you please call me when you have time so we go over the changes?". Yesterday at 16:54 I receive an e-mail, "Please send me feedback as soon as possible" |
| 06:34.18 | zenzio | I wish customers would just freaking read their e-mail |
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| 06:37.59 | Wobin | karl_w_w: It is America though, home of the subprime mortgage crisis |
| 06:38.12 | Wobin | There's undoubtedly a whole passel of houses going cheap |
| 06:43.02 | airtonix | zenzio: psycopaths in waiting |
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| 07:16.13 | Wobin | oh. for Australians http://bit.ly/CAHAus |
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| 07:50.07 | airtonix | don't click it. asio malware |
| 08:03.15 | Kalroth | free malware? but it's not even my birthday |
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| 08:25.11 | airtonix | it's ok Kalroth, this gift keeps on giving |
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| 09:11.45 | airtonix | http://www.petersandeen.com/paypal-is-stealing/ |
| 09:12.10 | airtonix | One of the basic features of PayPal is the ability to accept and move any currency you want all around the world. But when it would stop them from stealing from you, it’s blocked. |
| 09:15.47 | airtonix | essentially: http://www.petersandeen.com/paypal-is-stealing/#comment-2652 |
| 09:17.26 | Kalroth | take your common sense and walk out the door, right now |
| 09:20.01 | airtonix | why no zoidberg? |
| 09:39.33 | zenzio | "More kernel developers and fewer people making yet another fleshlight app on iOS or Android is a good thing." - I assume the "fleshlight" was intentional, but it still amused me |
| 09:43.59 | zenzio | also "In kernel space, no one can hear you scream." (yes, I'm sill reading Slashdot comments) |
| 09:54.58 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/T3leCeT.jpg oh watch dogs |
| 09:59.15 | Trela | karl_w_w: How do they mess up that badly. o.o; |
| 09:59.27 | haste | the reflection was hacked by someone karl_w_w ! |
| 10:19.29 | airtonix | zenzio: direct me, good sir to these mentioned apps |
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| 12:39.10 | jleclanche | Seriously why the hell does this hard drive keep spinning all the time |
| 12:39.26 | jleclanche | I have 6 external hard drives and one of them spins 100% of the time while the others are quiet |
| 12:40.29 | Maldivia | buggy firmware? |
| 12:40.31 | karl_w_w | it hates you |
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| 12:51.18 | Simca | blame windows |
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| 13:12.47 | Semlar | jleclanche: check the resource monitor |
| 13:13.11 | Semlar | it should show you disk activity |
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| 13:31.38 | airtonix | i blame windows |
| 13:41.19 | g0urra | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WHMCa1FbWE |
| 13:51.47 | Maldivia | jleclanche: have you (and all you other Whovians) seen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WBqHdI5Bdw |
| 13:54.21 | Simca | Maldivia: excellent |
| 13:54.54 | Simca | I got exactly what I expected from that video, thanx Rocky Horror Picture Show |
| 13:58.52 | jleclanche | Maldivia: its creepy |
| 13:59.10 | jleclanche | that is some impressive cosplay tho |
| 14:02.26 | Maldivia | not to mention the voice, that's pretty spot on! |
| 14:03.30 | jleclanche | some of them |
| 14:03.58 | jleclanche | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019537.html |
| 14:03.58 | jleclanche | hm |
| 14:04.00 | jleclanche | no more ntpd? |
| 14:04.26 | jleclanche | sweet stuff |
| 14:08.01 | jleclanche | Good work django team!; |
| 14:08.01 | jleclanche | I am actually a slavedriver, and always when i was doing some DB work in my spare time, the slave/master terms consistently reminded me of a bunch on malnourished people i keep locked up in my basement; I dont want to give the matter too much attention, they really do not deserve it; |
| 14:08.01 | jleclanche | Thanks to you, i dont feel alienated and actually can keep them out of my head; |
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| 14:45.33 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 14:49.40 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: that seemed more like a musical homage instead of an actual parody |
| 14:52.01 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: yeah... but great none the less |
| 14:52.12 | Maldivia | nonetheless |
| 14:52.18 | Maldivia | ... yep, one word :) |
| 14:52.44 | nevcairiel | anyway, off to the cinema, alonsi! |
| 14:52.49 | airtonix | andstuffetc |
| 14:52.53 | Maldivia | X-Men? |
| 14:53.03 | nevcairiel | godzilla |
| 14:53.07 | Maldivia | bah |
| 14:53.09 | airtonix | waste of money |
| 14:53.18 | Maldivia | X-Men is great though |
| 14:53.43 | airtonix | rule of thumb: big robots or monsters === waste of money |
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| 14:56.29 | airtonix | let me get this right. fargo is a celebration of the mouth breathing muck raking culture? |
| 14:58.30 | airtonix | meh |
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| 15:10.55 | fewyn | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/readingrainbow/bring-reading-rainbow-back-for-every-child-everywh |
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| 15:22.55 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: it's spelled allons-y |
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| 15:27.05 | Stanzilla | ok, jerom-e |
| 15:27.05 | nevcairiel | Didn't I make myself clear a few days ago that I don't speak French? :P |
| 15:27.31 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: you made it clear less than an hour ago with a spelling worse than my shoes'. |
| 15:27.58 | karl_w_w | does america not have public libraries? |
| 15:28.02 | nevcairiel | That's intentional to taunt crazy frenchies |
| 15:28.20 | nevcairiel | Like you |
| 15:29.13 | jleclanche | I'm not french |
| 15:29.20 | jleclanche | I just happen to speak french |
| 15:29.27 | jleclanche | and be born in france |
| 15:29.32 | jleclanche | and have citizenship. |
| 15:29.55 | karl_w_w | how unfortunate |
| 15:30.19 | jleclanche | I know, my life sucks |
| 15:30.41 | TC-Work | I am sitting next to a frenchie mentioning this to him. |
| 15:31.23 | jleclanche | punch him in the face, the french love being punched in the face |
| 15:33.13 | TC-Work | He is not amused. |
| 15:34.12 | karl_w_w | of course he isn't, he's french |
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| 16:05.58 | jleclanche | TC-Work: I'm not liable for any damage |
| 16:06.06 | TC-Work | jleclanche: Says you. |
| 16:06.15 | TC-Work | jleclanche: Also, there is no space! |
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| 16:07.48 | jleclanche | TC-Work: well then? |
| 16:16.36 | TC-Work | jleclanche: well then what? I'm still not seeing where the space is coming from |
| 16:16.56 | jleclanche | I dont know dude, I can't see your code |
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| 16:38.52 | TC-Work | [root@mail04 mqueue]# ls | wc -l |
| 16:38.53 | TC-Work | 16740 |
| 16:38.53 | TC-Work | >.< |
| 16:50.32 | zenzelezz | TC-Work: that's a lot of porn |
| 16:50.45 | TC-Work | zenzelezz: That's queued mail |
| 16:50.54 | TC-Work | and it hit 20K |
| 16:50.57 | zenzelezz | sure it is |
| 16:51.15 | zenzelezz | something malicious, or something runaway? |
| 16:51.29 | TC-Work | more like runaway. |
| 16:51.43 | TC-Work | it was bouncing against googles email cap |
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| 17:08.52 | kd3|hate`net | garrison post finally up: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/14001702/garrison-preview-part-1-your-base-on-draenor-5-28-2014 |
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| 17:10.46 | Shirik | really? |
| 17:10.51 | Shirik | are they that afraid of wildstar? |
| 17:11.53 | Shirik | oh it's not what I thought it was |
| 17:12.08 | Shirik | but still I would expect blizzard to be doing new things not playing catch-up |
| 17:13.56 | Dagmar | It's catch-up now? |
| 17:15.02 | Dagmar | I was under the impression Blizz is just kinda slow, but they've been working on this stuff for some time now |
| 17:15.31 | Dagmar | So long as they give me a bloody commodities market, it'll be good enough |
| 17:16.01 | Dagmar | They've literally no excuse for not kitting out the auction house with that now |
| 17:19.23 | g0urra | dafuq is a bloody commodities market |
| 17:19.56 | kd3|hate`net | "hey, I want to buy 86 stacks of cloth when it's at x gold/stack" |
| 17:22.07 | g0urra | is that in any mmorpg? |
| 17:22.12 | foxlit | yes. |
| 17:22.33 | foxlit | http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Trading_Post |
| 17:24.02 | zenzelezz | well, while it's not the same at all, I like how you can make purchase requests in Anarchy Online |
| 17:24.07 | Dagmar | It's in _several_ now actually |
| 17:24.16 | Dagmar | Guild Wars 2, as well as Wildstar |
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| 17:24.52 | Dagmar | It is the thing that stomps on the biggest "edge" the "professional" auction traders have--as much as that can even be done |
| 17:25.36 | Dagmar | They can hit the auctions as often as they want all day long and scrape out the deals, but if someone's already put a bid in at that price the things will be sold already |
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| 17:50.05 | zenzelezz | "I Want a Kindle Killer"... you know a slashdot post is (more than usually) bad when it starts with "I" |
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| 18:18.58 | Arrowmaster | seriously ubisoft, new game comes out and your servers are fucking down again? |
| 18:21.48 | Kesava | .. do we have any idea what the in-game spam filter actually does? |
| 18:22.21 | Kesava | not the chat throttling, which everyone seems to think is the same thing |
| 18:22.35 | Kesava | because in my experience it does not block spam |
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| 18:41.58 | jleclanche | 2hrs 20min to set up my new case. not too bad |
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| 18:52.24 | Arrowmaster | watchdogs looks like trash on 360, im seriously shocked that a game can look this bad on 360 in 2014 |
| 18:54.27 | Dagmar | Hey look on the bright side |
| 18:54.41 | Dagmar | Half the fancy social stuff Ubi dorked with doesn't work right either. |
| 18:55.12 | Dagmar | Is "ubi" perhaps the Finnish word for 'fail'? |
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| 19:01.11 | Arrowmaster | this corrupted digital video style for the flash backs looks terrible |
| 19:02.29 | pompy | http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html#.U4Yyfihe6Uk |
| 19:03.46 | Kesava | at least the corruption actually looks like avi corruption |
| 19:03.53 | Kesava | rather than, i don't know, static |
| 19:04.05 | Kesava | because apparently you get static in digital video *nod* |
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| 19:15.49 | karl_w_w | people actually bought watch dogs? |
| 19:16.54 | karl_w_w | it just seems like common sense to me, if they dont let anybody publish reviews before the game is released, something is up |
| 19:24.23 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: I really like this new case. It's big enough that I can store a pretty fat toolbox inside it |
| 19:24.34 | jleclanche | toolbox/cablebox |
| 19:27.09 | Fisker | hey jleclanche |
| 19:27.15 | Fisker | whats the django thing all about? |
| 19:31.42 | jleclanche | Fisker: you saw the PR? |
| 19:31.49 | Fisker | nope |
| 19:31.51 | Fisker | Just saw your post |
| 19:32.00 | jleclanche | https://github.com/django/django/pull/2692 |
| 19:32.47 | kd3|hate`net | gah is that thread still going? |
| 19:32.57 | jleclanche | tldr, some idiot complained that "master" and "slave" are RAYSIST and wanted to replace them by leader/follower or primary/replica |
| 19:33.06 | Fisker | wat |
| 19:33.07 | jleclanche | some other idiot (hi gaynor we know it's you) merged it |
| 19:33.41 | Stanzilla | jleclanche: http://truecrypt.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:34.02 | Fisker | Is this real life indeed |
| 19:34.31 | jleclanche | Stanzilla: whatever, got luks set up so |
| 19:34.57 | jleclanche | but im guessing thats just a defaced page |
| 19:35.06 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 19:35.11 | Fisker | I can't |
| 19:35.45 | Fisker | I don't |
| 19:35.47 | Fisker | I |
| 19:35.52 | Fisker | wat |
| 19:36.09 | jleclanche | Fisker: not to point any fingers but you'll notice the correlation between european and american working hours and the trends of people saying "this change is awesome and very much needed". |
| 19:36.12 | jleclanche | no fingers. nowhere. |
| 19:36.23 | Fisker | :3 |
| 19:36.31 | Fisker | well don't worry |
| 19:36.36 | Fisker | in 10 years it'll be the same over here |
| 19:37.20 | jleclanche | we'll see |
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| 19:37.54 | Fisker | I want to sleep so much |
| 19:38.40 | Fisker | Barely slept today |
| 19:38.58 | Simca | those have to be bots |
| 19:39.00 | Syllios | Is there a built-in function which will get the x and y offset from a certain anchor on another frame, like a frame on UIParent? |
| 19:39.13 | Fisker | yeah Simca I also thought that |
| 19:39.16 | Fisker | but who knows |
| 19:39.19 | Stanzilla | GetPoints |
| 19:39.21 | Fisker | btw Simca |
| 19:39.21 | Fisker | I need sleep |
| 19:39.23 | Syllios | GetCenter() gets it from the bottomleft |
| 19:39.23 | Fisker | sleeeeeeeeep |
| 19:39.35 | Fisker | I slept from 4am to 7am |
| 19:39.39 | Fisker | gotta go to work 7:15 |
| 19:39.54 | Fisker | so 15 minutes to wake up, shower and get dressed |
| 19:39.56 | Fisker | :o |
| 19:40.11 | Fisker | but stop stalking me on here please |
| 19:40.15 | Fisker | It's kind of creepy :O |
| 19:40.22 | Simca | Syllios: http://wowpedia.org/API_Region_GetPoint |
| 19:40.54 | jleclanche | Fisker: Im technically still at work |
| 19:40.58 | jleclanche | which is why I'll just go to bed |
| 19:41.04 | Fisker | I just got home from "work" |
| 19:41.13 | Fisker | Haven't worked all day though |
| 19:41.22 | Fisker | Because they think it's smarter to hold meetings |
| 19:41.24 | Fisker | and have "fun" |
| 19:41.49 | jleclanche | id really like to know how networkd names network devices |
| 19:42.00 | jleclanche | wtf is the difference between enp10s0 and eno1 |
| 19:42.26 | Fisker | isn't that like the pm nonsense in rhel and stuff? |
| 19:42.42 | jleclanche | pm nonsense? |
| 19:42.56 | Fisker | I don't recall |
| 19:43.03 | Fisker | not linuxing a whole lot |
| 19:43.49 | Fisker | Something about they changed the naming convention |
| 19:43.49 | jleclanche | linux more then |
| 19:43.55 | jleclanche | yes, they did that a while back |
| 19:44.01 | Syllios | Simca: Thanks for the link, is there another link to which points are which? (Says there it takes argument n, but idk the numbering to point mapping) |
| 19:44.12 | jleclanche | from eth1 eth2 etc to this new stuff, which is more persistent |
| 19:44.21 | Fisker | yep |
| 19:44.24 | Simca | iterate from 1 to :GetNumPoints() |
| 19:44.24 | jleclanche | id just like to know how it named one of my devices eno1 and another enp10s0 |
| 19:44.35 | Simca | it's based on how the region is defined |
| 19:44.45 | jleclanche | good night, Fisker. |
| 19:44.46 | Syllios | alright i'll just try that |
| 19:44.47 | Simca | the first point set is 1, second point set is 2 |
| 19:44.51 | Fisker | ok bye |
| 19:44.51 | Simca | etc etc |
| 19:44.52 | Fisker | don't die |
| 19:44.56 | Fisker | unlike Simca |
| 19:45.09 | Simca | Don't make me :< at you Fisker |
| 19:45.22 | End | always be :< at Fisker |
| 19:45.25 | Fisker | :( |
| 19:45.33 | Fisker | But it's like everyone is stalking me everywhere |
| 19:45.52 | Fisker | can't even hide from the quakenetters or freenoders anymore |
| 19:45.59 | Fisker | convergence |
| 19:49.11 | Simca | The Fisker Convergence |
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| 20:33.48 | Simca | DreanorOrge - blizzard spelling best spelling |
| 20:34.54 | karl_w_w | that seems like an amazing reason to not use django |
| 20:37.59 | karl_w_w | i wouldnt want a framework i was using to change just to suit some stupid people |
| 20:38.39 | Neffi | Think of the kittens! Use Lapis instead |
| 20:48.53 | kd3 | not like we haven't known this for a decade now, simca. case in point: up until cata, darnassus's map was called "Darnassis" |
| 20:51.58 | Simca | Maiev's model is still spelled Meiv and Draenei is consistently spelled Dreanei |
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| 20:56.15 | Primer | lies, all dirty lies! |
| 20:58.58 | Simca | related - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DnXOP_91Mw |
| 21:03.59 | g0urra | they're artists, not english teachers |
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| 21:19.59 | TC-Work | Whelp, so much for having a 4K monitor at work. |
| 21:23.54 | Kalroth | why not |
| 21:27.00 | TC-Work | Nonr of the cards here are good enough to drive it |
| 21:27.02 | TC-Work | even at 30hz |
| 21:27.29 | TC-Work | That are avliable that is. We have some titans and a 780ti but they are in use. |
| 21:28.15 | nevcairiel | you dont need that huge of a card for 2D usage at 4k |
| 21:28.28 | nevcairiel | you have a few high end models and otherwise just lemons? |
| 21:28.49 | TC-Work | Uh, monitors or cards? |
| 21:28.57 | nevcairiel | cards |
| 21:29.04 | TC-Work | In my machine I have a Quadro 4K and a GTX 580 and neither would do it. |
| 21:29.50 | TC-Work | Either over HDMI @ 30 or DP @ 60. |
| 21:30.05 | Kalroth | you'll need two HDMI cables, i think? |
| 21:30.07 | kd3 | whee, a big sc2 banwave just landed: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/12945505136#1 |
| 21:30.12 | Kalroth | or is that two DVI |
| 21:30.15 | nevcairiel | i guess those are one generation too early |
| 21:30.19 | TC-Work | No, you can do it over one @ 30 |
| 21:30.32 | TC-Work | it either takes 2 or HDMI 2.0 to do it over one. |
| 21:30.39 | TC-Work | @ 60 |
| 21:31.10 | Kalroth | https://www3.pny.com/QuadroPDFs/NVIDIA%20Quadro%20UHD%20and%20%204K%20Display%20Solutions%20v10_01_13.pdf |
| 21:31.35 | TC-Work | Yea, I browsed that pdf as well |
| 21:31.49 | Kalroth | http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-580/specifications Maximum Digital Resolution |
| 21:31.51 | Kalroth | 2560x1600 |
| 21:32.16 | TC-Work | But that is out of one. Not two |
| 21:32.23 | Kalroth | what model is the quadro |
| 21:32.27 | TC-Work | granted that only works for the DP |
| 21:32.34 | TC-Work | I said it was a 4K |
| 21:32.46 | Kalroth | oh, i thought you meant the resolution |
| 21:33.05 | Kalroth | Maximum Display Resolution Digital @ 60Hz 2560x1600 |
| 21:33.10 | Kalroth | for http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-us.html |
| 21:33.27 | TC-Work | Right, but the DP is supposed to pull both displays for one. |
| 21:33.40 | nevcairiel | also, Display Port 1.2 can in theory support 4k@60, if you use all 4 lanes, but apparently many DP transmitters are not equipped for that, which is why many cheapo screens use multi-stream instead, which is horrible, terrible and unusable :p |
| 21:33.48 | TC-Work | "DisplayPort can support 4K @ 60Hz using Multi-Stream Transport(MST). The graphics card provides signals for multiple displays but these are multiplexed on a single cable. Computer monitors such as the ASUS PQ321Q 31.5-in 4K 60 Hz Tiled Monitor take input using this format." |
| 21:34.11 | nevcairiel | you can do it without multi-stream if you use high quality DP transmitters |
| 21:34.22 | Kalroth | i'm not sure a desktop card like the 580 would support it |
| 21:34.29 | Kalroth | quadro sure |
| 21:34.36 | nevcairiel | because MST sucks balls! |
| 21:34.38 | TC-Work | It doesnt because it does not have DP |
| 21:34.52 | Kalroth | ah! |
| 21:35.02 | TC-Work | and on the 4k it reported that it was using 4 channels, it still did not go |
| 21:36.14 | nevcairiel | i believe the quadro 4k generation was still stuck on DP 1.1 |
| 21:36.18 | Mr_Rabies | i can't stop watching this help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6ZybPDizaI |
| 21:36.29 | Neffi | nevcairiel: do you mean using MST to drive one display sucks balls, or MST altogether sucks balls (as in, daisy chaining too?) |
| 21:36.37 | nevcairiel | Neffi: nah, for one display |
| 21:36.53 | Neffi | Ah, ok. I was looking at daisy chaining because most GPUs have one DP out |
| 21:37.00 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: yes |
| 21:37.37 | Kalroth | "DisplayPort 1.1a, HDMI 1.3a, and HDCP support" |
| 21:37.41 | nevcairiel | Neffi: you get crazy issues with full-screen things, as its technically two screens for windows, and you rely on some magic to make it work |
| 21:37.54 | nevcairiel | and the magic fails |
| 21:38.12 | nevcairiel | wish people would just build better DP transmitters to use its full bandwidth for a direct 4k@60 connection |
| 21:38.14 | Neffi | Yeah, that sounds fun |
| 21:38.26 | Kalroth | need 4k@120 or 144 |
| 21:38.57 | Kalroth | otherwise i cant play counterstrike 1.6 on it |
| 21:39.03 | nevcairiel | admittedly display connections are already nearing a potential maximum bandwidth, its like one of the fastests connections a PC has today |
| 21:39.24 | Kalroth | they just need to compress the data better |
| 21:39.48 | nevcairiel | they actually proposed a compression technique to tackle that recently |
| 21:39.50 | Kalroth | like real-time 3820x2160 PNG encoding |
| 21:39.55 | Neffi | I'm pretty sure they don't compress it |
| 21:39.59 | nevcairiel | not yet |
| 21:40.12 | Kalroth | they do compress it some, dont they? |
| 21:40.41 | nevcairiel | the data is even kinda expanded due to old legacy things like blanking intervals |
| 21:40.44 | Neffi | So when compression comes, and you're pushing its limit, and a few fields happen to compress very poorly, you get stutters from your connection? oh boy |
| 21:40.48 | Kalroth | oh, its only 1.3 |
| 21:40.56 | Kalroth | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#1.3 |
| 21:41.06 | Kalroth | " It will also support VESA Display Stream Compression, which uses a visually lossless low-latency algorithm, to offer increased resolutions and color depths, and reduced power consumption." |
| 21:41.20 | nevcairiel | yeah thats the compression they posted papers about a month ago or so |
| 21:41.37 | nevcairiel | Neffi: its a fixed bitrate compression, nothing else would ever work |
| 21:41.38 | Kalroth | yup, was probably where i picked it up, i thought they implemented something with 4k, but guess not |
| 21:42.09 | Kalroth | http://www.vesa.org/news/vesa-finalizes-requirements-for-display-stream-compression-standard/ ah, its over a year old |
| 21:43.20 | Kalroth | we just need to reduce the colors, go back to 64k colors or even 256! |
| 21:43.32 | Kalroth | can do 16k resolutions np |
| 21:43.36 | nevcairiel | the trend is even to increase colors, as well as resolution |
| 21:43.46 | Kalroth | yeah |
| 21:44.21 | Kalroth | i dont get why they just dont make thicker cables, so there's room for more trucks in the tubes |
| 21:45.01 | nevcairiel | 4K TV broadcasts will quite likely use 10 or even 12 bit colors soon enough (because some of the UHD standards don't even allow 8-bit anymore), and if our screens couldn't handle that, it would end up in a nightmare |
| 21:45.44 | nevcairiel | (thats bits per color channel, not total, before anyone tries to be smart) |
| 21:45.48 | Kalroth | yeah, 10-bit is likely, i'm not sure there's much benefit of going deeper though |
| 21:45.56 | Neffi | 12 bit? that's kinda... high |
| 21:46.06 | Kalroth | anime encoders have been doing 10-bit for years :P |
| 21:46.15 | nevcairiel | not for the extra colors though |
| 21:46.24 | Neffi | banding is more noticeable on anime, no? |
| 21:46.26 | nevcairiel | just because H.264 10-bit happens to compress better for math reasons |
| 21:46.36 | Neffi | Ah, yes, I remember that |
| 21:46.57 | Kalroth | oh, it's purely because of compression |
| 21:46.59 | nevcairiel | its a algorithmic problem with H.264 |
| 21:47.07 | nevcairiel | extra precision helps the compression |
| 21:47.12 | nevcairiel | it seems backwards a bit, but it works |
| 21:47.30 | Kalroth | i've tried to understand some of the code, i'll believe it |
| 21:47.44 | nevcairiel | i had a paper once that explained why |
| 21:48.17 | nevcairiel | in any case, both 10 and 12 bit are already support by DP and HDMI, just not at 4K due to lack of bandwidth |
| 21:48.37 | Neffi | but Kal made a good point? Why not shove more wires in? |
| 21:48.45 | Neffi | s/?/. |
| 21:48.48 | Kalroth | i was being sarcastic :P |
| 21:48.48 | Neffi | gah! |
| 21:48.58 | nevcairiel | because the transmitters are the problem at some point |
| 21:49.02 | Neffi | Well we are starting to hit some limits, so it seems like a sane solution |
| 21:49.03 | kd3 | then we go back to the parallel cable days |
| 21:49.13 | kd3 | which were unfun |
| 21:49.19 | Kalroth | the issue isn't the cables, it's handling the 17gbit+ data in a timely fashion |
| 21:49.21 | nevcairiel | like i said, display connection is already the fastest connection a PC has |
| 21:49.32 | nevcairiel | short of on-mainboard connections like memory |
| 21:49.34 | Neffi | kd3: you don't like ribbon cables? what's wrong with you. block ALL the airflow! |
| 21:50.00 | Kalroth | 4k displays got the potential to require 20-30gbit data streams |
| 21:50.01 | nevcairiel | and DP 1.3/HDMI 2.0 are going to boost that even more |
| 21:50.05 | Kalroth | yeah |
| 21:50.10 | TC-Work | nevcairiel: You are correct, it is 1.1a |
| 21:50.24 | Kalroth | it's simply a lot of bits and even a powerful computer will struggle |
| 21:50.49 | Kalroth | especially when you add filters, layers and stuff |
| 21:51.10 | nevcairiel | for 4K resolutions, we will manage with the next gen |
| 21:51.18 | nevcairiel | what comes after that? well, we will see |
| 21:51.33 | pompy | http://www.universetoday.com/112099/antares-rocket-engine-suffers-significant-failure-during-testing/ welp |
| 21:51.36 | Kalroth | sure, in a powerful desktop, a laptop will require a beefy GPU (or beefier CPU) |
| 21:52.02 | nevcairiel | well thats more about power to actually produce all these pixels |
| 21:52.13 | nevcairiel | the transmitters are typically dedicated hardware just for that task |
| 21:52.22 | Kalroth | produce, yeah |
| 21:53.15 | Kalroth | most people dont realize that 4k will take four times as much processing power as 1080p :p |
| 21:53.26 | nevcairiel | its 4 times the resolution! |
| 21:53.33 | Kalroth | and that most gaming/media applications currently are optimized for 1080p |
| 21:53.47 | nevcairiel | technically you could argue that you can dial down the fine detail a bit since pixels are going to be much smaller |
| 21:53.50 | nevcairiel | but shrug |
| 21:53.56 | Kalroth | i play at 1440p and there's a lot of games that doesn't handle that well |
| 21:54.14 | Kalroth | well the benefit of a 4k monitor is that it supports 1080p natively :) |
| 21:54.17 | nevcairiel | i know what you mean, at 1600p myself |
| 21:54.52 | Kalroth | also I got AMD cards, but I like to shoot myself in the feet |
| 21:55.06 | kd3 | not just one, but both feet? |
| 21:55.14 | Kalroth | I got two cards, so .. |
| 21:55.23 | Kalroth | (and they're both AMD!) |
| 21:55.35 | nevcairiel | I have been testing an application for a customer that consistenly crashes on AMD systems |
| 21:55.41 | nevcairiel | and with crashes i mean cause a BSOD |
| 21:55.45 | Kalroth | yup |
| 21:55.47 | TC-Work | I'm thinking of grabbing a 780 ti so I can play on the 4K |
| 21:56.03 | nevcairiel | i couldn't for the live of me figure out if the app is doing something wrong |
| 21:56.07 | Kalroth | 780 ti probably wont be enough for 4k gaming, save for casual games |
| 21:56.13 | nevcairiel | but then, an app shouldn't ever be able to cause a BSOD |
| 21:56.16 | nevcairiel | no matter how wrong it is |
| 21:56.25 | kd3 | driver bugs are fun |
| 21:56.32 | Kalroth | AMD got a lot of issues with their drivers, a lot, a lot lot |
| 21:56.47 | nevcairiel | at least i'm rather confident at this point that its not my fault |
| 21:56.54 | Kalroth | like the driver bug where they uninstalled HDMI sound when you turned the TV off |
| 21:57.13 | Kalroth | you had to reboot the system with TV running or install the driver manually to fix it |
| 21:57.47 | Kalroth | and it's hardware acceleration is .. not that stable :p |
| 21:58.59 | nevcairiel | its gotten better in 6xxx and newer models |
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| 21:59.18 | nevcairiel | assuming you run recent drivers that actually disable the just broken parts of the acceleration |
| 21:59.34 | Kalroth | the hardware is usually great, but i dont know what they do to those drivers |
| 21:59.53 | zenzelezz | I'm a little surprised ESO doesn't do any "why do you want to unsubscribe?" like most other MMOs seem to |
| 22:00.20 | Kalroth | zenzelezz: because they know why |
| 22:00.41 | zenzelezz | I suppose |
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| 22:07.26 | g0urra | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBIWDpHKfcM |
| 22:07.29 | foxlit | NGNL continues to be awesome. That ending! |
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| 22:10.46 | foxlit | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PPz11rRBQw (though maybe kind of spoilerish) |
| 22:10.57 | TC-Work | Kalroth: Tomb Raider on high for the 780 Ti is 70fps. |
| 22:11.03 | TC-Work | at 2169p |
| 22:11.14 | TC-Work | 2160* |
| 22:11.43 | nevcairiel | in the benchmark or what? |
| 22:12.08 | TC-Work | *shrug* that's all that is said |
| 22:12.12 | TC-Work | 'High preset' |
| 22:12.51 | TC-Work | 51fps for bioshock inf. |
| 22:13.09 | nevcairiel | oh you are reading reviews instead of reporting your own data |
| 22:13.17 | TC-Work | Yea, toms hardware |
| 22:13.38 | TC-Work | Kalroth was saying that a 780 ti could not drive 4k gaming well. |
| 22:14.31 | nevcairiel | at tomb raider launch i couldn't sustain 60 fps on 1600p on a 780 (and the ti isn't *that* extremely much faster), but i might've been running higher than high, if it has such a preset, and they may have also improved the performance since then |
| 22:14.47 | nevcairiel | wonder if i still have it installed... |
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| 22:15.12 | Stanzilla | that was only because of bugs |
| 22:15.14 | Stanzilla | and the hair |
| 22:16.00 | nevcairiel | the hair made the game crash at first :p |
| 22:16.06 | nevcairiel | but it looked kinda neat |
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| 22:51.16 | TC-Work | Anyone know if you can use ports on both cards of an SLI if the displays are mirrored? |
| 23:03.47 | plaw | lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jJEJUsdQ40 |
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| 23:19.57 | Esamynn|work | TC-Work: my guess is that if monitors connected to the second card are even recognized, then yes |
| 23:20.10 | TC-Work | Esamynn|work: Well that's my question. |
| 23:20.27 | TC-Work | As far as I can tell all of the outputs for one card work but not the second. |
| 23:20.45 | Esamynn|work | that would be my best guess, but I've never worked with an SLI setup |
| 23:20.52 | Esamynn|work | or other equivalent |
| 23:20.59 | TC-Work | I would like to SLI but I have 5 displays and 4 outputs. |
| 23:21.08 | TC-Work | however 2 of them ar cloned. |
| 23:21.10 | TC-Work | are* |
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| 23:21.28 | Esamynn|work | what generation of card? |
| 23:21.34 | TC-Work | 780 |
| 23:21.43 | TC-Work | it's that or get a 780 ti |
| 23:22.08 | Neffi | I think only outputs on the main card work, but I can't remember where I read that. But have you considered using DP to daisy chain? |
| 23:22.27 | Neffi | If your monitor doesn't support it, you can buy a hub |
| 23:22.33 | Esamynn|work | nice, yah, I last upgraded my GPU to the generation before they went to supporting 4 video streams at once |
| 23:22.47 | Esamynn|work | looking forward to that feature next time I ugprade probably next year |
| 23:23.12 | TC-Work | I only have 1 monitor with DP |
| 23:23.14 | TC-Work | sadly |
| 23:23.47 | Neffi | Ah, if the DP port is able to emit HDMI signaling, you probably lose daisy chain support |
| 23:24.17 | Neffi | You can feed active converters from a hub, but that's probably expensive |
| 23:24.20 | TC-Work | It's not a huge deal, I'll just buy the ti |
| 23:24.51 | TC-Work | but then I'll want to buy a new desk that can handle 2 27's and a 28" |
| 23:25.01 | Neffi | Have you simply tried feeding the displays from both cards? I can't seem to find info on whether or not it works nowadays |
| 23:25.15 | TC-Work | That works fine, it's what I do now |
| 23:25.26 | TC-Work | but I need more oomph to power a 4k monitor |
| 23:26.47 | plaw | hugs Esamynn|work |
| 23:27.05 | Esamynn|work | uhh.. thanks? |
| 23:28.25 | Neffi | So unappreciative, Esamynn|work |
| 23:28.59 | Esamynn|work | I admit, random hugs from ppl I don't know make me uncomfortable/ |
| 23:29.15 | TC-Work | strokes Esamynn|work |
| 23:29.23 | Neffi | haha |
| 23:29.39 | Esamynn|work | ~poke TC-Work |
| 23:29.39 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind TC-Work, pokes TC-Work repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 23:29.50 | TC-Work | ~dodge Esamynn|work |
| 23:29.50 | purl | at the last second tc-work dodges out of the way of Esamynn|work's malicious and unprovoked attack. |
| 23:31.03 | Esamynn|work | unprovoked? |
| 23:31.42 | Torhal | Clearly, purl needs a context upgrade. |
| 23:34.21 | Esamynn|work | clearly |
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