| 00:06.59 | Arrowmaster | ok i originally bought 1600 card sleeves for my CAH cards, I now have 20 left |
| 00:07.27 | Neffi | o.o wow Arrowmaster. addicted much? |
| 00:07.43 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 00:07.53 | Arrowmaster | i have two bigger blacker boxes now full |
| 00:08.48 | Arrowmaster | im going to bring them to blizzcon this year |
| 00:08.56 | Arrowmaster | oh and i still have a ticket for sale |
| 00:12.26 | Gnarfoz | o_o 1600 cards |
| 00:12.43 | Gnarfoz | wait, you only have 300 cards and ate the rest of the sleeves, admit it |
| 00:14.19 | Arrowmaster | theres more than 300 in the starter box |
| 00:22.26 | Wobin | <Arrowmaster> i have two bigger blacker boxes now full <- I read that without context, and still managed to grasp context. |
| 00:22.34 | Wobin | CAH has ruined me |
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| 00:26.55 | Wobin | jleclanche: "Thanks as a DevOP, I've always had to endure BS snickering and jokes about being a dominatrix when trying to have a civil conversation about databases" |
| 00:27.10 | Wobin | I think that's more indicative of their work environment than any particular terminology |
| 00:27.22 | jleclanche | yea ... |
| 00:27.33 | Wobin | I'm actually wondering why I'm reading these comments =P |
| 00:27.42 | jleclanche | i unsubscribed immediately |
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| 00:38.04 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: really? no idea. We only have a self-cut one because, well, you still can't buy it here |
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| 00:52.39 | jleclanche | any swedes online? |
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| 01:00.33 | Wobin | Gnarfoz: most of my friends have imported them =P |
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| 01:20.09 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it's not like we're looking for the english version |
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| 01:31.06 | Wobin | Gnarfoz: yeah, we just skip the overly American pop culture reference cards |
| 01:31.25 | Wobin | any card that evokes even a single "Wuh?" from a player gets the boot |
| 01:31.32 | Gnarfoz | you misunderstand :P |
| 01:31.57 | Gnarfoz | official German version, wtb |
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| 02:00.33 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: you know an official german version would never get approved to be sold in germany |
| 02:02.13 | Thunder_Child | 12Arrived at Sort Facility LOS ANGELES GATEWAY - USA LOS ANGELES GATEWAY, CA - USA19:24 |
| 02:02.14 | Thunder_Child | 11Departed Facility in CINCINNATI HUB - USA CINCINNATI HUB, OH - USA18:28 |
| 02:02.28 | Thunder_Child | Uhh, 1 hour to get to ca from oh? |
| 02:03.00 | kd3|hate`net | local time for each? |
| 02:03.30 | Thunder_Child | Possibly but the page does not reflect that |
| 02:03.53 | Thunder_Child | they are both listed under Sunday May 25th] |
| 02:03.59 | Thunder_Child | -] |
| 02:04.13 | Semlar_ | it's a 4 hour flight |
| 02:05.46 | Thunder_Child | Bad page design then. |
| 02:06.27 | pompy | Thunder_Child: view page source and spot what's going on? |
| 02:06.52 | Semlar | it's probably static |
| 02:07.27 | kd3 | aww: http://i.imgur.com/DjDg8rD.jpg |
| 02:12.30 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: Sub-orbital insertion |
| 02:18.00 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: Balistic Rail Gun? Now that I could get behinf. |
| 02:18.02 | Thunder_Child | behind. |
| 02:18.22 | Wobin | well, you'd not want to get ahead of it |
| 02:18.37 | Thunder_Child | I dunno, it would be an awesome kick in the pants. |
| 02:19.06 | kd3 | that's the thing with pie-in-the-sky railgun delivery concepts... how do you not nuke new york if something's blown offcourse? |
| 02:19.33 | Thunder_Child | Well first it is kenetic, not nuclear. |
| 02:20.00 | Mr_Rabies | giant rubberband |
| 02:20.13 | Thunder_Child | Secondly I am sure you could work around that. |
| 02:20.39 | Thunder_Child | ECRS: Explosive Course Readjustment System. |
| 02:21.24 | Thunder_Child | Although PR would never use 'Explosive' |
| 02:22.17 | Mr_Rabies | most shipments, etc are local time unless stated otherwise |
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| 02:42.04 | Neffi | https://i.imgur.com/oPElr97.png |
| 02:46.13 | Semlar | you don't spontaneously break into русский? |
| 02:46.22 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 02:47.53 | Neffi | not usually, Semlar |
| 02:48.06 | Semlar | why not |
| 02:48.29 | Neffi | I think you need to have at least 1/3rd Russian blood. I'm only 25% |
| 02:49.34 | Amarande | ah, that's Russian for 'Russian' |
| 02:49.40 | Amarande | I had to hit Google Translate to figure out what Semlar meant |
| 03:02.12 | Xuerian | It's fairly recognizable to be fair, but as a friend poitned out, there's a mysterious lack of cyka |
| 03:02.39 | Mr_Rabies | war thunder is chock full o' cyka |
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| 03:33.19 | Wobin | Neffi: That review looks pretty zalgo, actually |
| 03:35.07 | Dagmar | Only an hour and a half left to go |
| 03:35.09 | Dagmar | I can make it. |
| 03:38.10 | Wobin | til? |
| 03:40.21 | Neffi | til he can't make it anymore |
| 03:43.16 | Dagmar | 'til Watch_Dogs unlocks |
| 03:44.13 | Iriel | AH, that’s what “about an hour” means - thanks steam. |
| 03:45.18 | Iriel | Or I guess “..approximately 1 hour” |
| 03:49.34 | Dagmar | Probably one hour and eleven minutes |
| 03:53.00 | Simca | I'm like a million hours late to the conversation, but from what I can tell, there are no restrictions on targas or blps IF they're loaded for the UI |
| 03:53.20 | Simca | they don't even need to be a dimension of two, contrary to all of the wiki articles on the subject |
| 03:53.23 | Amarande | Dammit, why is it that when I get around to deciding to resubscribe to WoW, it's always almost Tuesday morning :( |
| 03:53.32 | Simca | have dimensions that are multiples of 2** |
| 03:53.51 | Semlar | i don't think i've seen any blizzard images that don't conform to that format |
| 03:54.13 | Simca | virtually all of the don't conform to that format in WoD since they're using texture atlases |
| 03:54.20 | Simca | all of them* |
| 03:54.38 | Simca | some images are 130 by 13 or even 254 by 254 |
| 03:54.58 | Semlar | so maybe they changed it for WoD |
| 03:55.34 | Simca | possible, I haven't tested it much on Live |
| 04:01.20 | Amarande | Simca: wonder if there are possible rendering errors if they're not the "right size" |
| 04:01.26 | Amarande | kinda like with Doom |
| 04:02.01 | Simca | if you do it with a model, it'll just display the spot where the texture should go as pure green |
| 04:02.03 | Amarande | where if a texture was less than 128 high, you had to make absolutely sure that it was never used on walls taller than its height, and pretty sure you got weird artifacts if textures were not a power of 2 in width (again, if the walls were built to cause more than the actual texture space to need rendering) |
| 04:03.00 | Amarande | not sure offhand what happened in the latter case ... in the former it would still insist in tiling in 128 pixel increments, filling in the extra space with garbage graphics (it was called the tutti-frutti effect) |
| 04:03.54 | Dagmar | Failure Purple |
| 04:05.17 | Wobin | Dagmar: let me know how Watchdog plays |
| 04:05.28 | Wobin | I think I got overhyped |
| 04:05.29 | Dagmar | I am "in between" on specs so it should be interesting |
| 04:05.39 | Dagmar | I'm still running a 550Ti |
| 04:05.41 | Wobin | so I didn't preorder |
| 04:06.11 | Wobin | I'd like to know if you can play the game without gunfire/direct violence |
| 04:06.12 | Dagmar | I might have to turn down textures a bit |
| 04:06.23 | Dagmar | Wobin: Does not compute. |
| 04:06.42 | Wobin | ghost runs were always more interesting to me as a game mechanic |
| 04:06.47 | Dagmar | All I am gonna need is a leather hat with pointy ears |
| 04:06.59 | Wobin | and you'll be Catman? |
| 04:07.12 | Dagmar | I didn't get very excited until I saw they're planning to basically let us be vigilantes |
| 04:07.21 | Dagmar | Now I'm like "HOLY SHIT CRIME" |
| 04:07.27 | Wobin | healthy outlets, eh? =) |
| 04:07.30 | Dagmar | In Chicago |
| 04:07.41 | Dagmar | Just... *prey* everywhere You look |
| 04:08.22 | Dagmar | I'm going to see how many "completely accidental deaths" I can solve problems with |
| 04:08.26 | Xuerian | pff, that's why we have Prototype |
| 04:09.01 | kd3 | I'm glad I have an nvidia card, because this kinda concerns me: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2014/05/26/why-watch-dogs-is-bad-news-for-amd-users-and-potentially-the-entire-pc-gaming-ecosystem/ |
| 04:10.44 | Dagmar | Oh hell it may have already unlocked |
| 04:10.53 | Dagmar | Either that or I'm about to find another reason to hate Ubi |
| 04:11.27 | Xuerian | kd3: I like that nvidia work with devs to get better performance. It really annoys me that they're massive douchenozzles in practice. |
| 04:14.41 | Dagmar | I'm not really sure they're making a sound argument |
| 04:14.59 | Dagmar | It sounds like people complaining that coupons mean everyone else is getting ripped off |
| 04:16.10 | Xuerian | > “Participation in the Gameworks program often precludes the developer from accepting AMD suggestions that would improve performance directly in the game code—the most desirable form of optimization.” |
| 04:16.51 | Amarande | hmmmm |
| 04:17.01 | Amarande | "“This change coincides with NVIDIA’s decision to remove all public Direct3D code samples from their site in favor of a ‘contact us for licensing’ page." |
| 04:17.03 | Dagmar | I don't even see how that's supposed to work |
| 04:17.08 | Amarande | wonder if that means that meanwhile, on the other hand, AMD is the way to go on Linux? |
| 04:17.30 | Amarande | mostly thinking if the lack of public Direct3D code samples will have any effect on 3D on FOSS OS's on nVidia cards |
| 04:17.38 | Amarande | or if that's all handled via the driver anyway and Wine users with nVidia need not worry |
| 04:17.43 | Dagmar | Considering nVidia's binary driver works a treat under Linux? |
| 04:18.34 | Amarande | yeah, nVidia's driver has always been awesome on Linux |
| 04:18.56 | Amarande | the only times I've had troubles with it were with the installation procedure (generally because I wanted to package it up for Debian and not just install it the vanilla way and possibly have trouble with updates) |
| 04:19.48 | Amarande | usually sid at least has a suitable package, but there was the one time when I got a GTS 250 and actually ended up going back to Windows because sid didn't have a new enough version and I couldn't get the latest nVidia download to debianise by the usual instructions :( |
| 04:20.02 | Amarande | AMD's driver on the other hand always installs easy, then never worked right :P |
| 04:21.00 | Amarande | Heh. It's like nVidia is Rumple Minze and AMD is tears of Lys :) |
| 04:21.32 | Amarande | Can burn going down but feels great afterwards, or doesn't bother you at all going down & then kills you LOL |
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| 04:22.29 | Amarande | Dagmar: I'm not familiar enough with Wine though to be sure, however, if Direct3D code samples were of any notable importance for the Wine devs in coding the DirectX pieces |
| 04:22.33 | Amarande | or if it's a non issue altogether |
| 04:23.38 | Amarande | and yeah, I'm glad I have an nVidia card these days too |
| 04:24.09 | Amarande | AMD seems like it's going to struggle with gameworks games very badly ... probably need a 295X2 to get right with a 780 or even 770, sounds like :( |
| 04:25.26 | Xuerian | AMD really needs to start getting people in with dev teams, they're continually getting flunked because of it. |
| 04:25.28 | Dagmar | Yep. Another reason to hate Ubisoft... UPlay refuses email addresses with '+' i nthem. |
| 04:25.49 | Xuerian | Dagmar: I have a hard time finding sites that accept +'s, period |
| 04:27.07 | kd3 | meh, that's why I'm glad I've got my own domain. it takes 3 seconds to create another email alias |
| 04:28.41 | Xuerian | I just try using it for gmail to filter spam/get past registration limits, usually, since x.y+z@gmail.com == xy@gmail.com |
| 04:29.09 | Xuerian | s/filter spam/identify who is spamming me/ |
| 04:31.09 | Dagmar | Well, you can be sure that anyone who rejects +'s in email addresses is probably an asshole |
| 04:31.16 | Dagmar | It's part of the RFCs for email. |
| 04:31.43 | Dagmar | The only reason to refuse them is because you're in an office full of incompetents who don't want to get "busted" by their users for selling their email addresses |
| 04:32.08 | kd3 | lazy email validation is lazy |
| 04:32.17 | Amarande | how often is + used in an email address, though |
| 04:32.19 | kd3 | (lazy for the developers) |
| 04:32.19 | Xuerian | It's easy to blame on nefarious intent what is more likely ignorance and laziness |
| 04:32.47 | Amarande | except for the occasional married couple that creates one family email account with him+her@ instead of making separate accounts, and that's probably super rare too |
| 04:34.15 | Amarande | (and I'd think it'd be more likely himnher@ these days anyhow, given that 'n' seems to be the popular way to say 'and' anymore, LOL) |
| 04:37.21 | Neffi | yify needs to be caught so people start seeding good stuff |
| 04:38.35 | Amarande | I can't remember the last time I bought an ubisoft PC game anyway |
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| 04:38.55 | Amarande | pretty sure the last ubisoft game I've bought at all was the original Assassin's Creed, and that was for PS3 and it was a gift anyway |
| 04:39.31 | Amarande | EA yes, Activision yes, Ubisoft no, far as I can recall in recent buyings |
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| 04:41.28 | Xuerian | Uhh. Anno2070. I wanna say something else, too. Ubi's not as offensive as it was, lately. |
| 04:41.32 | A-KO | http://i.imgur.com/MwkcruD.jpg < so nice |
| 04:42.39 | Xuerian | Nice panaorama. |
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| 04:46.02 | A-KO | indeed |
| 04:51.36 | Wobin | A-KO: Mont du Lac Des Cygnes? |
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| 04:52.42 | A-KO | Wobin: LOL |
| 04:52.44 | A-KO | yes |
| 04:53.00 | A-KO | how'd you know? |
| 04:53.07 | A-KO | read it on the thing? heh |
| 04:53.13 | Wobin | slightly fuzzy sign =P |
| 04:53.16 | A-KO | ah yeah |
| 04:53.32 | A-KO | the lake is behind the sign in the pic |
| 04:53.34 | Xuerian | Du Lac? Are we shrek now? <_< |
| 04:53.38 | Wobin | I've also been playing geoguessr.com |
| 04:53.51 | Wobin | so I've gotten better at reading blurred signage |
| 04:53.57 | A-KO | Swan Lake Mountain :P |
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| 05:13.19 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: Im trying an arena theory on 1/3/5 mana slots |
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| 05:30.23 | Wobin | hm, $5 for Watchdogs |
| 05:30.26 | Wobin | er |
| 05:30.28 | Wobin | $45 |
| 05:31.25 | Fisker | Don't do it it's a trap |
| 05:41.43 | Xuerian | Wobin: Doesn't surprise me, I basically buy any new games I get at 20-25% off, since so many online retailers have the preorder sales. And by any I mean, like, three over the past two years. |
| 05:44.10 | Dagmar | Wobin: it seems quite happy with my 550Ti and E5600K |
| 05:55.13 | Amarande | heh, preorder sales |
| 05:55.36 | Amarande | ever notice how except for things like MMORPGs and games that exist to support microtransactions, there seems to be a very cut and run policy about game dev lately? :| |
| 05:56.06 | Amarande | encourage almost all your sales base to preorder, not buy after it's out, then minimal support afterwards |
| 05:56.29 | Amarande | (probably even less support than otherwise, because you get everyone to lock in before they find out if there will *be* any crippling bugs, and then they can't return it after they find out!) |
| 05:57.09 | Amarande | 'course, I'm guessing that probably makes the most money these days :P |
| 05:57.09 | Neffi | No, but then I dont play bad MMO |
| 05:57.30 | Amarande | (oh, that and you can make sure the only opinions that count for 99% of your sales, since they are preorders, are from your carefully curated collection of yes-man professional reviewers with four-point scales!) |
| 05:58.25 | Amarande | who are yes-men because they know pretty well that if they're not, they can just as easily be cut from the anointed squad and unable to review till the game's out (by which point most people have made their decision, thanks to preorders) |
| 05:59.06 | Simca | yeah, once i have a bad experience with a company, i'm generally done with them |
| 05:59.51 | Amarande | like that one incident with ... dammit, I forget which magazine |
| 05:59.52 | Simca | like Crytek, I'm done with them - bought Crysis 2, and 3 years later the game still has common gamebreaking issues. they apparently did a single patch after release and then gave up support within 6 months |
| 06:00.05 | Amarande | but I remember reading there was this one car magazine in the 70s that dared to utterly pan a major manufacturer's latest vehicle |
| 06:00.19 | Amarande | they lost that manufacturer's ads and access to review units for a looooooooong time |
| 06:00.52 | Amarande | then there was the LA Times incident, where they panned a GM car and lost all advertising revenue from GM for quite some time (that may actually have been the one, hmmm, not sure now) |
| 06:01.23 | Amarande | Simca: I refused to buy EA for a very long time, but eventually started buying a few of their things more recently |
| 06:01.38 | Amarande | especially the BIoware stuff, since Bioware is far too beloved to ditch, and they have yet to suffer from the usual EA rot |
| 06:01.51 | Amarande | not like Origin, which was utterly destroyed by EA |
| 06:02.12 | Amarande | in fact, Bioware may be an indication EA has really seriously changed their tune since the bad old days |
| 06:02.21 | Xuerian | o_O |
| 06:02.31 | Amarande | Xuerian: the new Dragon Age seems to promise to be something really really good, and I was very afraid for DA3 for a while |
| 06:02.43 | Xuerian | I'm not going to believe it until I play it |
| 06:02.44 | Amarande | especially with SW:TOR's existence, because the whole situation mirrors Origin's fate so strongly |
| 06:03.11 | Amarande | in the case of Origin, they came out with an MMO (Ultima Online) and basically EA then pulled everyone over to work on the MMO and let the Ultima mainline series go to shit |
| 06:03.29 | Amarande | Ultima VIII was an okay game but nowhere close to what the two parts of VII had been, and IX was a pale dying shadow |
| 06:04.22 | Amarande | (mind you, in EA's defence, Ultima VII and Serpent Isle were a tough act to follow, being extremely good RPGs, in fact, two of the best RPGs ever made ... but Ultima IX was seriously an utter disaster) |
| 06:05.21 | Amarande | I pretty much expected that they'd pull basically the whole Bioware team to work on SW:TOR to keep that ongoing cash cow going and let Mass Effect and Dragon Age atrophy to crap |
| 06:06.00 | Amarande | but while DA2 seemed to suffer from sequelitis, DA3 seems to be promising to be great (then again, this "ultimate collector's edition with all kinds of super duper goodies" thing eerily reminds of the Ultima IX Dragon Edition :S) |
| 06:08.39 | jleclanche | Dagmar: did you see the github thing i linked earlier? |
| 06:08.41 | Amarande | mind you, I'm still curious about this tarot deck in the Inquisitor's Edition, heh |
| 06:10.25 | Amarande | because they say "major and minor arcana" DA themed tarot ... but they also say "72 card" which is very very very odd |
| 06:13.27 | zenzio | something tells me that one (or more) of the sites I left open in Firefox overnight did something FF wasn't entirely happy about... http://i.imgur.com/jrPwdqp.jpg |
| 06:16.12 | Amarande | zenzio: huh, weird |
| 06:16.24 | Amarande | the only thing I've seen in Firefox that massively accumulates over time RAM-wise is the usage of memory by Flash |
| 06:16.42 | Amarande | but Flash under Firefox is the standard Adobe standalone plugin, so normally is a separate process, unlike with chrome or IE |
| 06:17.17 | Amarande | I stopped using Firefox again in favour of Chrome anyway, though ... there just is no longer enough to recommend FF, what with them basically deciding to become a Chrome clone anyway :( |
| 06:17.26 | Xuerian | Amarande: I'm still a sour NWN vet who is grumpy that DA was such a lackluster sequel to what most of us NWN players wanted, and what NWN2 failed hard to deliver on (thanks to obsidian being in their learning phase, mostly). I'm not even going to talk about DA2, because it obviously doesn't deserve it. But maybe if you think DA3 will pull it out, I'll watch it. |
| 06:17.27 | zenzio | I've not seen it go that high before, that's the best part |
| 06:18.00 | Amarande | Xuerian: It certainly looks well polished, at least. Doesn't seem like it will be another disaster like Ultima IX, I doubt EA will ever let that happen again |
| 06:18.18 | Amarande | Probably if a game would be as bad a PR disaster as UIX nowadays they'd just cancel it altogether :) |
| 06:18.52 | Amarande | actually that was how UIX was such a disaster ... it had been in dev hell for 5 years, and EA decided they wanted to wash their hands of it in order to focus the Origin team entirely on Ultima Online |
| 06:18.59 | Amarande | so basically they told them "get it out for Xmas 1999 or never" |
| 06:19.17 | Amarande | seriously, if that was the state it had to be released in, it probably should have been canceled, painful as that would have been for us fans :( |
| 06:21.52 | Amarande | part of me wants the inquisitor edition with all that bling, but meh, 170 bucks is way way too much for a game purchase (even if we spend that much a year on WoW :P) |
| 06:22.44 | Amarande | I really want to know how they managed to make a Major and Minor Arcana Tarot deck with 72 cards ... I know Tarot pretty well and I STILL can't figure out which six cards are omitted |
| 06:24.47 | Xuerian | Amarande: The ones in the post-launch dlc, obviously |
| 06:25.02 | Amarande | Xuerian: LOL, we're talking a physical Tarot deck here |
| 06:25.13 | Amarande | it's one of the goodies that comes with the 170$ super-special collector edition |
| 06:25.20 | Xuerian | We're also talking EA, so |
| 06:25.34 | Amarande | yeah, but I'm pretty sure even EA hasn't figured out how to allow people to download physical objects :) |
| 06:25.48 | Xuerian | "Print out your six cards today!" |
| 06:26.03 | Xuerian | Duno though, valid question I guess. |
| 06:26.31 | Amarande | yeah ... there doesn't really seem a constellation of exactly 6 cards you can take out of a normal Tarot deck logically |
| 06:26.40 | Amarande | given the structure of such a deck |
| 06:32.42 | Dagmar | I am not certain, but I think one of the things i'm doing in Watch_Dogs is actually pirating other people's music right off their phones. hehe |
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| 06:42.32 | Simca | something so incredibly stupid about Watch Dogs that it makes me question if they did any QA is that during gang fights in the city, random bystanders will call the cops on your gunshots (they won't ever call them on the gangs), and then you're fighting the 10+ gang members you were fighting before + cops |
| 06:43.17 | Amarande | Simca: oh, you mean the fact that law enforcement isn't even remotely fair? |
| 06:43.19 | Amarande | that's every game! |
| 06:43.33 | Amarande | Simca: ever play Baldur's Gate 2? :) |
| 06:43.46 | Simca | different genre, comparison not relevant |
| 06:43.57 | Amarande | If you don't first go to this one administration building and pay a 5000 gold (which is a LOT of gold at that point) fee for a "spellcasting licence" |
| 06:44.14 | Amarande | then every time you cast spells during a battle, these enforcement mages show up (and they get harder every time, too) to attack you as well |
| 06:44.27 | Amarande | but of course enemies you encounter can feel free to cast spells without an eyeblink :P |
| 06:45.57 | Amarande | Simca: it seems to be a cross-genre trope ... the law enforcement guys only care to harass you, even the most sordid of enemies get away with anything |
| 06:46.39 | Wobin | well the bad guys are clearly licenced |
| 06:47.41 | Amarande | mind you, at least in BG2 if you made it through all the waves (which was quite brutally hard, though) the final group dropped some really sweet loot |
| 06:49.07 | zenzio | I remember the fun in Oblivion (don't recall if it was the case in Skyrim) where NPCs could get on each others' hate lists if they hit each other by mistake. Watching guards fighting each other was amusing |
| 06:49.33 | bluspacecow | *noms Simca* |
| 06:50.30 | Simca | hai |
| 06:50.43 | Simca | today is hopefully an exciting day! |
| 06:50.57 | Amarande | zenzio: heh, it's nice indeed when games allow for mob to mob infighting |
| 06:51.17 | Amarande | it's sadly a huge rarity nowadays, except for set battles like some of the ones in wow where mobs fight each other by script |
| 06:51.37 | Amarande | and those aren't really the same, because we're talking cases where you can *get* mobs fighting each other |
| 06:51.46 | Amarande | that's almost not been a thing since the Doom engine games |
| 06:52.55 | Xuerian | Recent fallouts and Skyrim were reasonable that way, at least after a couple mods. But otherwise, yeah.. |
| 06:55.49 | Amarande | mind you, something that will probably never return (outside of Doom wads) is probably the mass-slaughter scenarios |
| 06:56.08 | Amarande | I'm going to guess that anything like that would bog down so laughably on a modern 3D engine that it would just be impossible |
| 06:57.00 | Amarande | like the Alien Vendetta, Hell Revealed, Speed of Doom design paradigm where you'd have tens or even hundreds of monsters in a room at once |
| 06:57.06 | Amarande | all active and fighting, of course |
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| 07:14.12 | Alram | Simca, exciting day because watch_doge right? |
| 07:14.15 | Alram | :DDD |
| 07:14.55 | Simca | i would ban you if i could |
| 07:15.09 | Alram | im sure you would Simca! |
| 07:17.14 | Fisker | creepy Alram |
| 07:17.16 | Fisker | creepy Simca |
| 07:17.21 | Alram | hey Fisker |
| 07:17.25 | Fisker | hey Alram |
| 07:17.30 | Alram | are you leaving the eu yet |
| 07:17.39 | Xuerian | I'd say you guys haven't been around here long enough to have a healthy grudge, but then again I disappear randomly and don't read the nicklist. :| |
| 07:18.33 | zenzio | hehe |
| 07:23.34 | Fisker | what why Alram |
| 07:24.49 | Alram | elections |
| 07:25.00 | Alram | anti eu groups got a lot of votes throughout the eu |
| 07:25.14 | Fisker | ah |
| 07:25.21 | Fisker | phew |
| 07:25.22 | Fisker | Thought you had seen through my disguise |
| 07:25.32 | Fisker | you didn't see nothin' Simca |
| 07:25.55 | bluspacecow | *waggly jedi mind trick hands* |
| 07:47.30 | airtonix | jleclanche: hilarious. talking about class warfare to a frenchman. i lol'd. |
| 07:47.42 | jleclanche | airtonix: hm? |
| 07:47.47 | airtonix | master/slave |
| 07:48.03 | jleclanche | yeah i stopped reading, only replied to the pings |
| 07:48.05 | airtonix | it's like robert tressel never published |
| 07:48.57 | airtonix | anyway, back to enjoying this tvseries about yuppie lawyers in new york |
| 07:55.56 | airtonix | jleclanche: it's really a shame that nodejs is singlethreaded |
| 07:56.05 | airtonix | becuase then node-webkit would actually be awesome |
| 07:56.18 | jleclanche | airtonix: Have you tried Flask yet? |
| 07:56.44 | airtonix | briefly. is there a flask-webkit ? |
| 07:57.11 | airtonix | because that would be badass |
| 07:57.20 | airtonix | using python in my angular in my html? |
| 07:57.23 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.02 | airtonix | also bootstrap twitter |
| 07:58.18 | airtonix | because nothing is 2014 without twitter |
| 07:59.11 | jleclanche | airtonix: what would a flask-webkit do? |
| 08:00.02 | airtonix | pretty much the same thing that node-webkit does |
| 08:00.18 | jleclanche | meaning? |
| 08:00.59 | airtonix | use webkit as a ui layer in cross platform packaged apps |
| 08:01.10 | jleclanche | huh? |
| 08:01.22 | jleclanche | what do you use that for? |
| 08:01.30 | jleclanche | and why would you use that in flask? |
| 08:01.45 | airtonix | https://github.com/popcorn-official/popcorn-app |
| 08:02.22 | jleclanche | youve not given me a use case of what you would use it *for* |
| 08:05.26 | airtonix | isn't that enough? |
| 08:05.42 | airtonix | oh what I would use it for, not what others have? |
| 08:07.43 | jleclanche | airtonix: I do not understand what use case you're giving me which is not filled by other, better contenders |
| 08:08.24 | Neffi | airtonix: "YIFY". fuck that |
| 08:09.00 | airtonix | ok let's start from the begging |
| 08:09.07 | airtonix | jleclanche: it's really a shame that nodejs is singlethreaded |
| 08:09.25 | airtonix | also beginning/start |
| 08:10.12 | jleclanche | airtonix: why do you like node-webkit or whatever? |
| 08:10.40 | airtonix | because pip is a pain in the ass |
| 08:11.48 | jleclanche | how is pip a pain in the ass? |
| 08:21.40 | airtonix | i hate you |
| 08:26.32 | airtonix | Neffi: i wish i was four years old again, so i could throw a justified tantrum |
| 08:27.00 | bluspacecow | *waves wand* |
| 08:27.09 | bluspacecow | airtonix you are now 4 years old again |
| 08:27.11 | bluspacecow | go wild |
| 08:27.22 | airtonix | asdasdasdasdasdd |
| 08:27.34 | Neffi | airtonix: wait what? |
| 08:27.47 | jleclanche | Check it out airtonix |
| 08:27.48 | airtonix | Neffi: what is yifi |
| 08:27.48 | jleclanche | https://github.com/django/django/pull/2692 |
| 08:27.50 | jleclanche | europe is waking up |
| 08:28.04 | airtonix | Neffi: is that like wifi |
| 08:28.31 | airtonix | jleclanche: oh they reversed it? |
| 08:29.00 | jleclanche | airtonix: not yet, but the trend has |
| 08:29.06 | airtonix | Führer und Freund. |
| 08:29.11 | airtonix | hey fisker |
| 08:29.17 | airtonix | fisker and fusked |
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| 08:29.50 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.00 | airtonix | that was their goal all along |
| 08:30.22 | airtonix | i bet you terrintino is a 4chan sage |
| 08:31.16 | Neffi | airtonix: he's some idiot that produces 700 MB 720 rips and 1.2 GB 1080p rips and all the idiots go "amazing v 10 / a 10 perfect quality" |
| 08:31.26 | Neffi | they look as bad as some better cam rips |
| 08:31.35 | airtonix | also christina... sleeping since 2012... bang chains django. |
| 08:31.40 | Humbedooh | 'sad' part is, other projects are rolling with the 'omg racially charged' as well now |
| 08:32.58 | jleclanche | Humbedooh, airtonix: I've decided to fully boycott django for any and all future projects after this |
| 08:33.08 | jleclanche | I like Flask, and its a good occasion to fully switch to it. |
| 08:33.16 | airtonix | ok, so. |
| 08:33.31 | airtonix | orm, reversible routes, api framework for flask? |
| 08:33.32 | Humbedooh | jleclanche: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-2248 :-) |
| 08:33.37 | jleclanche | saw |
| 08:34.08 | jleclanche | airtonix: orm through flask-sqlalchemy (though i saw PonyORM mentioned on HN last night, I kinda liked how it looked). |
| 08:34.16 | jleclanche | api framework I dont know. there is one |
| 08:37.15 | airtonix | it would really be leaning heavily into the orm of choice |
| 08:44.05 | airtonix | so apparently dexter stopped using osx in their series because apple didn't want their brand to be associated with psychopaths |
| 08:44.28 | airtonix | funny |
| 08:44.58 | stuf_ | so he switched to linux, which fits better? |
| 08:45.48 | airtonix | torvald doesn |
| 08:45.51 | airtonix | doesn |
| 08:45.56 | airtonix | tha fuck? |
| 08:46.15 | airtonix | doesn't feel that anyone should be prevented from using it |
| 08:46.49 | jleclanche | which dexter? |
| 08:47.33 | jleclanche | if it's dexter the serial killer, ive been watching six feet under for the past couple of weeks, so MCH is more of a mildly attractive gay man than a serial killer for me right now |
| 08:59.33 | karl_w_w | what's this theory jleclanche? does it take into account the fact that 4 drops are fantastic and many 1 and 5 drops are drivel? |
| 08:59.52 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: mana conservation |
| 08:59.59 | jleclanche | well, mana value |
| 09:00.22 | bluspacecow | attack on titan - yaya or meh ? |
| 09:00.34 | bluspacecow | *yay |
| 09:01.30 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: odd drops synergize well regarding mana; if you have a 1, a 3 and a 5, you also have a 2, a 4, a 6, a 7, an 8, a 9 and a 10 |
| 09:01.52 | jleclanche | while if you have 2/4/6 all you have is 2/4/6/8/10 |
| 09:02.35 | jleclanche | i tested this in arena with a weirdly aggro lock. it worked somewhat okay |
| 09:02.47 | jleclanche | I felt i was getting excellent value, though the deck itself wasnt great |
| 09:05.37 | airtonix | bluspacecow: meh |
| 09:05.58 | bluspacecow | kk ty |
| 09:06.29 | airtonix | bluspacecow: leaping into battle.... SUDDENLY 28min flashback into childhood accident with a desk corner |
| 09:06.40 | bluspacecow | … |
| 09:06.42 | bluspacecow | wat |
| 09:06.53 | airtonix | conclusion: 'can't handle titans, because desk corners' |
| 09:07.12 | airtonix | bluspacecow: attack on titan isn't about titans |
| 09:07.36 | airtonix | it's about children with extreme psychology disorders |
| 09:08.40 | airtonix | "hey i joined this thing that does stuff to avoid doing stuff, why am I being forced to do stuff?' |
| 09:09.15 | airtonix | attack on titan is the most annoying anime ever simply because it lied about how annoying it really is |
| 09:09.58 | karl_w_w | yeah i have seen the pros talk about that recently |
| 09:10.06 | airtonix | no squeaky voices, but shit loads of cliff hanging flash backs on the cusp of a climatic intro |
| 09:10.47 | karl_w_w | i think it was at dreamhack it was mentioned a few times, in a tournament setting at least (where all the decks are going to be good) the way to win is spend all your mana every turn |
| 09:10.59 | karl_w_w | ^@ jleclanche |
| 09:11.03 | airtonix | no karl_w_w |
| 09:11.09 | karl_w_w | yestonix |
| 09:11.27 | airtonix | please karl_w_w. i need this. |
| 09:11.41 | karl_w_w | gives it to airtonix |
| 09:11.47 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: oh i didnt know it was a serious thing |
| 09:12.04 | jleclanche | its just something ive been thinking about for a few weeks but never bothered to try until i got an arena curve that looked like that |
| 09:12.17 | jleclanche | there are excellent cards like these though |
| 09:12.26 | jleclanche | A lot of 3/2s |
| 09:12.50 | jleclanche | including 3 of the.. cleric thingies... +1/1 |
| 09:13.41 | bluspacecow | highly technical term that |
| 09:13.45 | karl_w_w | i believe there are so many good 2 and 4 cost cards that the difference between a good deck and a great one is how lucky you are picking up 3s and 5s in the draft |
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| 09:14.01 | karl_w_w | I might try drafting with that in mind actually |
| 09:14.03 | jleclanche | yeti is 4 right? |
| 09:14.07 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 09:14.12 | jleclanche | yeah that is a problem |
| 09:14.17 | jleclanche | though i mean, cairne is good |
| 09:14.28 | karl_w_w | if it offers a good 3 or 5 like a harvest golem or azure drake, always take it |
| 09:14.41 | jleclanche | yeah, i had two golems which was nice |
| 09:14.42 | karl_w_w | and trust that the other cards will come |
| 09:15.03 | jleclanche | but really heres the situation |
| 09:15.17 | jleclanche | you pick yeti over cairne, and on turn 4 you have to play *anything* else |
| 09:15.27 | jleclanche | you end up playing yeti turn 5... oops, need a 1 drop |
| 09:15.57 | jleclanche | you play cairne instead: better value. you have to play cairne on 6? fine, you have 1-drops. you have to play it on 7? hero power |
| 09:16.10 | jleclanche | it gives the coin better value too |
| 09:16.20 | karl_w_w | its better to have good 3s and drop a 2 and a 3 than to drop a 4 and a 1 |
| 09:16.29 | karl_w_w | there are almost no worthwhile 1s |
| 09:16.38 | karl_w_w | mana wyrm, the 2/1 worgem |
| 09:16.41 | karl_w_w | n |
| 09:16.49 | karl_w_w | northshire |
| 09:16.54 | karl_w_w | cant think of anything else |
| 09:18.09 | karl_w_w | in other news, watch dogs lead platform according to ubisoft was meant to be pc |
| 09:18.36 | karl_w_w | and what we have is an average-at-best port with horrible pop-in and mediocre optimisation |
| 09:18.43 | karl_w_w | for a game that was delayed god knows how long |
| 09:18.56 | karl_w_w | no wonder the review embargo was release day |
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| 09:27.43 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: but you wouldnt |
| 09:27.48 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: you'd put yeti down |
| 09:27.50 | jleclanche | and lose 1 |
| 09:28.01 | karl_w_w | not necessarily |
| 09:28.11 | karl_w_w | cos you have to think about 6 as well |
| 09:28.21 | karl_w_w | where a yeti + 2 might be best |
| 09:29.09 | karl_w_w | yeti is actually quite good on 6 cos it doesnt die to flamestrike alone |
| 09:29.23 | airtonix | karl_w_w: why do you hate watchdogs |
| 09:29.29 | karl_w_w | i dont |
| 09:29.37 | airtonix | haven't you been watching the matrix? |
| 09:29.39 | karl_w_w | why do you hate hotdogs? |
| 09:29.50 | karl_w_w | i haven't |
| 09:29.57 | airtonix | that explains it |
| 09:36.34 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: meh, there's no "not approved for sale" in Germany, only possibly "18+" which means no advertising |
| 09:36.58 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: anyway, I'm not sure they'd even be subject to that if they sold it from the US and shipped it here |
| 09:37.02 | Simca | <airtonix> bluspacecow: attack on titan isn't about titans |
| 09:37.03 | Simca | <airtonix> it's about children with extreme psychology disorders |
| 09:37.03 | Simca | <airtonix> "hey i joined this thing that does stuff to avoid doing stuff, why am I being forced to do stuff?' |
| 09:37.20 | bluspacecow | oh hai 2 u simca |
| 09:37.23 | Simca | replace "Attack on Titan" with "Evangelion" and those sentences are still 100% true |
| 09:37.23 | bluspacecow | i am hungry |
| 09:37.34 | bluspacecow | i had a Neffi but it wasn’t filling enough :( |
| 09:38.27 | bluspacecow | *smacks hand* |
| 09:38.44 | bluspacecow | superfastawesomesupermarket20minsbeforeitlcloseszoomzoomtrip |
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| 09:38.53 | airtonix | Simca: i never bothered with eva-whatever... advertised annoying sqauking voices |
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| 09:41.17 | Simca | it's about three children with extreme personality disorders 'forced' to fight in giant robots against big monsters |
| 09:41.54 | Simca | based on your description, I was sure you had seen it, since that is basically how I would describe the show, lol |
| 09:42.15 | airtonix | how dare you imply there are no original stories. |
| 09:42.50 | karl_w_w | ive started watching steins;gate, are you proud of me airtonix? |
| 09:43.08 | airtonix | please kill yourself |
| 09:43.17 | Simca | steins;gate is pretty sweet |
| 09:43.46 | airtonix | i'm busy having a bad mood |
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| 10:03.23 | haste | Simca: that description made me think of bokurano :P |
| 10:04.05 | Fisker | stahp haste |
| 10:04.12 | haste | never Fisker |
| 10:04.16 | Fisker | :( |
| 10:04.19 | Fisker | But I like you |
| 10:04.38 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:06.15 | karl_w_w | i miss the old kitkat packaging |
| 10:06.41 | bluspacecow | hmmmm |
| 10:06.47 | bluspacecow | whats the current one like ? |
| 10:06.53 | karl_w_w | it's not the same if you're not cutting through the foil with your fingernail |
| 10:06.56 | bluspacecow | close up on tony abbot in speedos ? |
| 10:08.04 | Semlar | i thought this was an android reference and now i'm confused |
| 10:10.55 | airtonix | it's understable Semlar. you're from beyond the wall |
| 10:11.12 | airtonix | i doubt they even have toilets up there |
| 10:11.48 | karl_w_w | old (the construction rather than the artwork) http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/05/article-2356670-1AAD2050000005DC-738_306x272.jpg - new http://candyaddict.com/blog/candy_images/kitkat_uk.jpg |
| 10:12.18 | Semlar | what are you 90? |
| 10:12.29 | bluspacecow | yep |
| 10:12.38 | karl_w_w | are things in brackets invisible to Semlar? |
| 10:12.45 | karl_w_w | find out next time on #wowuidev |
| 10:13.04 | airtonix | muwahahaha |
| 10:13.17 | bluspacecow | (my super secret password im hiding from Semlar) *whistles innocently* |
| 10:13.27 | airtonix | (********) |
| 10:13.31 | airtonix | oh wow |
| 10:13.35 | bluspacecow | @semlar YOU SEE NOTHING |
| 10:13.39 | bluspacecow | oh man airtonix |
| 10:13.41 | Semlar | :( |
| 10:13.46 | airtonix | bluspacecow: it's amazin |
| 10:13.48 | bluspacecow | that looks like a chick with 5 tits |
| 10:13.52 | airtonix | MAZEBAWLS |
| 10:14.25 | karl_w_w | semlar drew a frowny face and now can see nothing until the end of this sentence! what a fool!) |
| 10:14.51 | Semlar | what's with all these blank messages |
| 10:15.37 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 10:16.33 | jleclanche | god damn i love q, airtonix |
| 10:16.41 | jleclanche | a giant fuck you to all those stdout stealers |
| 10:16.49 | jleclanche | "fuck you, pytest" |
| 10:19.09 | Semlar | alright so the thin metal spin that used to be inside of the power jack on my laptop has broken off inside of the plug |
| 10:19.15 | Semlar | pin* |
| 10:19.51 | airtonix | Semlar: should have time travelled back before apple patented their power plug thing and prevented it. |
| 10:20.01 | Semlar | this is a horrible design |
| 10:20.02 | airtonix | then you wouldn't be using a shitty laptop |
| 10:20.33 | airtonix | jleclanche: q ? |
| 10:20.41 | jleclanche | airtonix: pip install q |
| 10:20.43 | jleclanche | import q |
| 10:20.48 | jleclanche | q("anything you want") |
| 10:20.50 | Semlar | qq? |
| 10:20.57 | jleclanche | tail -f /tmp/q while the program is running |
| 10:21.00 | airtonix | import qq |
| 10:21.17 | jleclanche | example: http://dpaste.com/2BPVRHY/ |
| 10:22.50 | karl_w_w | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sometimeswefly.littlealchemy this is a good bit of fun |
| 10:26.48 | karl_w_w | physical copy of watch dogs = $10 cheaper than steam download |
| 10:27.37 | karl_w_w | apparently stamping out, packaging, shipping, storing and displaying a dvd is cheaper than not doing any of those things |
| 10:28.35 | airtonix | karl_w_w: who told you to leave the street corner ? |
| 10:28.59 | karl_w_w | you did |
| 10:33.11 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 10:42.23 | Kodiack | karl, Watch Dogs got bumped up to $75 USD here for a digital copy :| |
| 10:42.34 | Kodiack | Was originally $60 USD or so, but then Ubisoft decided to be cunts |
| 10:42.49 | airtonix | are you irish? |
| 10:42.56 | Kodiack | Nope |
| 10:43.01 | airtonix | do you decend from the celts? |
| 10:43.28 | airtonix | why would you use ancient reference to a cats anatomy? |
| 10:43.56 | airtonix | i find your etemological transgression to be in bad taste |
| 10:44.50 | Kodiack | Do you mean etymological? |
| 10:45.21 | airtonix | i thought you weren't irish |
| 10:45.35 | airtonix | come on guy |
| 11:54.02 | jleclanche | airtonix: Do you know how many words we have in french for "window"? |
| 11:54.51 | jleclanche | the answer is five, by the way |
| 11:55.21 | jleclanche | we also have seven words for ice |
| 11:56.16 | jleclanche | five for hair |
| 11:56.19 | jleclanche | I miss french. |
| 11:56.48 | bluspacecow | clearly not mac users then :P |
| 11:56.49 | Maldivia | jleclanche: the window one... how many is actually window, and how many are the pane? |
| 11:57.06 | bluspacecow | the pane boss the pane! |
| 12:00.26 | airtonix | biggest pane is best pane |
| 12:01.38 | jleclanche | Maldivia: only one is the pane |
| 12:01.41 | airtonix | walk it up, tap it off, tuff it out |
| 12:01.49 | jleclanche | Maldivia: the others are all "window". but different types |
| 12:02.25 | jleclanche | the word for a usual house window is fenêtre |
| 12:02.53 | jleclanche | "vitre" is the window "object" itself.. .like you'd have in minecraft before you place it |
| 12:03.14 | jleclanche | "vitrails" are these: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Vitrail_du_19%C3%A8me_si%C3%A8cle_Le_Roi_David_Reims_020208_01.jpg |
| 12:03.38 | jleclanche | "carreau" is pane |
| 12:03.56 | jleclanche | "vitrine" is a shop window, eg for displays |
| 12:04.40 | airtonix | i just farted |
| 12:05.08 | airtonix | it smells like roses |
| 12:05.25 | airtonix | that's something i won't experience ever again in my life |
| 12:06.41 | jleclanche | Maldivia: if you're curious: vitre, vitrails, vitrine etc all come from the latin for glass (vitrum), which itself comes from vidi (seeing) |
| 12:07.06 | Maldivia | yeah... in Danish we join compound nouns, so everything is just something-vindue (window) or something-rude (pane), for the different styles, so I guess we have many different words as well :) |
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| 12:08.10 | jleclanche | y'all compound nouns languages speakers have no idea how easy you have it |
| 12:08.32 | jleclanche | compound noun language speaker. whats the single german word for that |
| 12:10.19 | Maldivia | zusammengesetztes Substantiv |
| 12:10.20 | Maldivia | ? |
| 12:10.26 | jleclanche | IT HAS TO BE ONE WORD |
| 12:10.32 | jleclanche | Otherwise my point is moot |
| 12:10.36 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 12:11.57 | Maldivia | the problem is, it's a |
| 12:12.03 | Maldivia | the problem is, it's an adjective and a noun |
| 12:12.22 | jleclanche | not really |
| 12:12.40 | jleclanche | "compound noun language" is a single word, of sorts. |
| 12:13.11 | Maldivia | compound = adjective, meaning made of several parts |
| 12:13.20 | jleclanche | yes, i know that |
| 12:13.37 | jleclanche | but you can treat "compound noun language" as a single type of language |
| 12:13.45 | jleclanche | there is probably a better word for it |
| 12:14.20 | jleclanche | fuck it just call it germanic |
| 12:15.10 | jleclanche | As a member of the Germanic family of languages, English is special in that compounds, as a main rule, are written in their separate parts. Although English does not form compound nouns to the extent of Dutch or German, noun phrases like "Girl Scout troop", "city council member", and "cellar door" are arguably compound nouns and used as such in speech. Writing them as separate words is merely an orthographic convention, possibly a result of influence |
| 12:15.10 | jleclanche | from French. |
| 12:15.39 | jleclanche | I'd really like to pinpoint the exact date and time this channel stopped being about wow. |
| 12:16.11 | Maldivia | it still is... at times |
| 12:16.20 | jleclanche | when amarande's around maybe |
| 12:17.17 | Semlar | every once in a while someone will pop in here to ask a question about a private server or something if that counts |
| 12:19.53 | airtonix | you know when the end of the world happens, amarande will be a commodity |
| 12:20.27 | Semlar | why |
| 12:20.30 | bluspacecow | a porn commodre |
| 12:21.09 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 12:29.01 | airtonix | how will you get your internet fix without his publications? |
| 12:29.19 | airtonix | "The IRC memoirs" |
| 12:29.39 | airtonix | hardcover edition |
| 12:30.10 | airtonix | totaling 16,094 pages covering 23 channels across fifteen servers. |
| 12:30.20 | zenzio | "IRC: The rise and fall of !!1, <3. and other cultural expression" |
| 12:30.22 | airtonix | spanning blah blah blah words |
| 12:43.53 | stuf_ | jleclanche: reminds me that finnish has around 50 or so words for snow. surprisingly. |
| 12:44.20 | jleclanche | not that many, but yes |
| 12:45.11 | jleclanche | its not surprising if you deal with it every day. how do you differenciate muddy snow to powder-snow? to ice slush? to ice pellets? |
| 12:47.05 | jleclanche | english vocabulary is very lackluster in some areas |
| 12:47.37 | stuf_ | yeah, another thing after being used with english et.al. as well, is that japanese has some four different ways to say conditionals |
| 12:47.43 | nevcairiel | cant you just call it powder-snow |
| 12:47.53 | jleclanche | Its different nevcairiel |
| 12:48.06 | stuf_ | we have powder snow, which is the really fine-grained stuff |
| 12:48.14 | stuf_ | but it's not the usual kind of snow, tho |
| 12:48.50 | jleclanche | if you dont have a separate actual word for it, you get this situation: someone says "the x have 1000 words for snow" |
| 12:48.57 | nevcairiel | powder snow is the crap you cannot make snowballs with |
| 12:49.00 | jleclanche | and in your head is this image of light white balls falling |
| 12:49.34 | jleclanche | the reality is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_snow |
| 12:49.49 | stuf_ | but yeah, it's kinda contextual; the kind of snow you can make snowballs with, wet snow, powder snow, packed snow... |
| 12:50.11 | jleclanche | Watermelon snow |
| 12:50.12 | jleclanche | A reddish/pink-colored snow that smells like watermelons, and is caused by a red-colored green algae called Chlamydomonas nivalis. |
| 12:50.21 | jleclanche | that is fucking specific. |
| 12:50.45 | stuf_ | but seems like the sami people have even more words for snow as well... |
| 12:50.49 | nevcairiel | thats like giving snow a separate name depending on which animal pee'ed on it |
| 12:51.27 | jleclanche | In french we have different names for different types of wind |
| 12:51.36 | jleclanche | depending on where they come from |
| 12:52.01 | jleclanche | I mean, english has that too, but its extremely rare. in french it's very common |
| 12:52.11 | stuf_ | yeah, probably since it's used there a lot, too |
| 12:52.20 | jleclanche | exactly, it makes sense for us geographically |
| 12:53.08 | jleclanche | we have the alps, the mediterranean sea, the north atlantic |
| 12:53.23 | stuf_ | as with probably people who live near deserts have a ton of words for sand, i'd reckon |
| 12:53.28 | stuf_ | or somesuch |
| 12:53.37 | zenzio | I'd disagree |
| 12:53.45 | zenzio | a few, sure, but not that many |
| 12:53.54 | jleclanche | as many as you need |
| 12:53.58 | jleclanche | namely, as many as you deal with |
| 12:54.31 | jleclanche | stupid example; say you have red sand and yellow sand and you deal with those two kinds every day |
| 12:54.50 | jleclanche | you don't keep calling them by their generic name |
| 12:54.58 | jleclanche | they get named eventually |
| 12:55.31 | Maldivia | just like your left and your right... ehh, nevermind |
| 12:56.23 | jleclanche | Ok, think of it not in terms of geography but in terms of field of work |
| 12:56.48 | jleclanche | how many words do we, in computer science, have for "bug"? |
| 12:57.16 | nevcairiel | scientists name every sub category of everything, but i thought we were talking about actual language, not science :p |
| 12:57.28 | jleclanche | this is language, nevcairiel |
| 12:57.41 | nevcairiel | if its only used by scientists, its not relevant |
| 12:58.01 | jleclanche | yes it is? |
| 12:58.55 | jleclanche | you have a group of people who don't deal with a specific concept every day of their life, wondering why a group of people that *does* deal with it every day has 50 different words for it |
| 12:59.02 | jleclanche | be it "sand", "snow", "wind" or "bug" |
| 12:59.37 | nevcairiel | the argument was for normal ordinary languages to have much more words for some things then others, science is independent of any language and has special names for everything |
| 12:59.50 | jleclanche | you are wrong |
| 12:59.54 | jleclanche | science has its own language |
| 13:00.13 | jleclanche | with its own concepts. and those concepts get translated to english (or whichever language is being used) |
| 13:00.13 | nevcairiel | and you are totally derailing the discussion to make your point :P |
| 13:00.43 | jleclanche | how can you think this isn't related? |
| 13:00.54 | jleclanche | someone who hasn't lived in or near a desert for a long time wouldn't necessarily even be able to tell the difference between types of sands |
| 13:01.58 | jleclanche | just like someone who isn't tech-literate wouldn't necessarily be able to tell the difference between say network lag and framedrops |
| 13:02.00 | nevcairiel | 50 words of snow in the norwegian language are not derived from modern science, its derived from everyday needs of the people living there, not from scientists and their need to classify everything to the miniscule difference |
| 13:02.24 | jleclanche | ... we're not talking about classifying things, here |
| 13:02.35 | jleclanche | we're talking about words being used every day of our lives |
| 13:02.50 | nevcairiel | and what do words do? classify things! |
| 13:02.56 | jleclanche | sigh |
| 13:03.17 | jleclanche | if you're going to argue against my point, please don't argue against yours, it makes for unhealthy debates |
| 13:03.27 | nevcairiel | thats what you're doing right now |
| 13:04.12 | jleclanche | how exactly do you think we got so many words for so many different types of bugs? |
| 13:04.13 | Maldivia | this way, no that way |
| 13:04.25 | jleclanche | its not "IS SCIENCE SO MUST CLASSIFY" |
| 13:04.38 | Xuerian | I argue as a hobby and this is going over my head :3 |
| 13:04.46 | Semlar | the dwarves have fifty different words for "dark" |
| 13:05.05 | jleclanche | take these three: heisenbugs, memleaks, zombies |
| 13:05.27 | jleclanche | they all originate from natural evolution of a domain specific language |
| 13:05.34 | nevcairiel | my point is that the discussion wasn't about scientists in their own scientific field, but every day common language use by ordinary people, or do only snow experts ever use more then one snow word in norway? |
| 13:05.51 | jleclanche | Fucks sake |
| 13:06.22 | jleclanche | the group of people in question is the group of people that can speak the language |
| 13:06.36 | jleclanche | it has nothing to do with snow experts, it has nothing to do with experts of any kind, or scientists, or anything |
| 13:07.18 | jleclanche | field: gaming. group: gamers. field: computer science; group: computer scientists. field: norway; group: norwegians |
| 13:07.33 | nevcairiel | only the last of those have their own language |
| 13:07.45 | jleclanche | we have our own language as well, like it or not |
| 13:07.56 | Workfoz | lolwut http://www.katu.com/news/local/Womans-car-attacked-by-self-identified-high-elf-battling-evil-259598811.html |
| 13:08.06 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: aren't you bilingual? you should be able to fucking tell. |
| 13:08.27 | nevcairiel | just because we use a few made-up words doesn't make it a new language =p |
| 13:08.54 | nevcairiel | its still english, we just contribute a few new words |
| 13:09.19 | jleclanche | no, nevcairiel, its not english. these words stand on their own in other languages as well |
| 13:09.50 | nevcairiel | tell that to the french and their need to translate all of those fancy new words we invented |
| 13:10.06 | Workfoz | lol, I can't scroll back far enough to figure out what this is about |
| 13:10.07 | jleclanche | the french have a word for @ |
| 13:10.10 | jleclanche | I love it, it's called arobase |
| 13:10.14 | jleclanche | Workfoz: its about amarande |
| 13:10.18 | Workfoz | oh is it |
| 13:10.23 | Workfoz | in that case, carry on |
| 13:10.26 | Maldivia | jleclanche: naah, that's a snabela |
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| 13:10.43 | jleclanche | your face is a snabela |
| 13:10.45 | nevcairiel | even germans have a name for @ |
| 13:10.51 | nevcairiel | but i dont think a nyone uses it anymore |
| 13:10.55 | Workfoz | Klammeraffe! |
| 13:11.02 | jleclanche | I think the only country that doesn't have a word for @ is english |
| 13:11.05 | jleclanche | what the fuck is "at" |
| 13:11.13 | Workfoz | the literal meaning of the sign :> |
| 13:11.17 | Maldivia | at is latin |
| 13:11.22 | jleclanche | er, the only language |
| 13:11.34 | jleclanche | Workfoz: that makes no sense |
| 13:11.46 | Semlar | you make no sense |
| 13:11.49 | jleclanche | Workfoz: that's like saying "I" (the word) is the literal meaning of the letter i |
| 13:12.04 | Workfoz | it's not the only one, but that's certainly true |
| 13:12.30 | jleclanche | i is not an english letter, and is not a word outside english |
| 13:12.32 | Maldivia | jleclanche: the English at (ie its meaning) makes more sense than the Danish snabela, which is how it looks (trunk A) |
| 13:12.35 | jleclanche | so no, its certainly not true :p |
| 13:12.41 | Workfoz | i is not a letter? wtf. |
| 13:12.42 | Workfoz | are you being obtuse for the sake of it? @ is a sign representing the word (or concept, if you will) of "at" |
| 13:12.49 | Workfoz | why does it need to have a word |
| 13:12.57 | Workfoz | the German word is a joke term anyway |
| 13:13.02 | nevcairiel | the german klammeraffe also describes the look of the sign a bit, not its meaning |
| 13:13.03 | Semlar | but it has a name, it's called the at sign |
| 13:13.14 | jleclanche | I dont know what the fuck arobase mean |
| 13:13.16 | jleclanche | s |
| 13:13.32 | jleclanche | Le nom arobase, forme la plus fréquente, est une déformation récente du castillan arroba(s), qui désigne une unité de mesure de poids et de capacité (dite en français arrobe), en usage en Espagne et au Portugal8, de grandeur variable selon les régions et selon les liquides (huile ou vin). Ce terme, attesté en Espagne depuis 1088, vient lui-même de l'arabe الربع (ar-rubʿ), « le quart », pour un quart de l'ancien quintal de 100 livres, |
| 13:13.33 | jleclanche | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.41 | nevcairiel | we dont fucking speak french |
| 13:13.48 | jleclanche | its.. its arabic |
| 13:13.56 | Semlar | we don't speak foreign |
| 13:13.56 | Workfoz | as is 'snabela', that seems rather a lot like the German one (i.e. the sign looks like it has/is a "snabela" (Schnabel being german for "beak") |
| 13:13.58 | nevcairiel | thats clearly french |
| 13:14.09 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: it says arobase is arabic, comes from the 10th century |
| 13:14.14 | jleclanche | french u scary |
| 13:14.19 | Semlar | yeah it's clearly not arabic |
| 13:14.29 | nevcairiel | so its arabic, but what does it meeeean? |
| 13:14.43 | Workfoz | that's great, have you somehow missed the concept of languages adopting/adapting/integrating words from other languages? |
| 13:14.45 | jleclanche | its a unit of weight |
| 13:14.51 | Workfoz | or are you somehow opposed to that concept |
| 13:14.52 | jleclanche | What the fuck is this. |
| 13:15.03 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: french doesn't do that |
| 13:15.07 | Workfoz | no? |
| 13:15.20 | nevcairiel | they have translations for everything! |
| 13:15.30 | Workfoz | they have a translation for 'arobase'? |
| 13:15.31 | Workfoz | :D |
| 13:15.32 | jleclanche | so |
| 13:15.43 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: well maybe thats why he is so puzzled! |
| 13:15.48 | Workfoz | I have no idea. I thought he was protesting that the English word for @ is 'at' (which is insaen) |
| 13:16.06 | jleclanche | according to this, "@" is a character thats been used since the 16th century to describe an arroba |
| 13:16.07 | airtonix | darkside darkside darkside something |
| 13:16.15 | Workfoz | anyway... work work |
| 13:16.30 | jleclanche | so Workfoz you were quite wrong |
| 13:16.34 | Workfoz | in what? |
| 13:16.36 | nevcairiel | "at" makes sense from a semantic point, user at domain .. |
| 13:16.39 | Workfoz | obviously, change should be outlawed |
| 13:16.40 | jleclanche | "at" is very much note the literal meaning of the sign |
| 13:16.45 | Workfoz | it is in English |
| 13:16.47 | jleclanche | no |
| 13:16.48 | jleclanche | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arroba |
| 13:16.51 | jleclanche | this is the meaning of the sign |
| 13:16.53 | Workfoz | if you say otherwise, you're insane |
| 13:16.57 | jleclanche | The word arroba has its origin in Arabic ar-rubʿ (الربع), the fourth part (of a quintal), the term defined the load that a donkey or mule could carry.[1] |
| 13:17.02 | Maldivia | but the sign @ -- it's the letters a and d combined, stemming from the latin ad, meaning at/with |
| 13:17.03 | Semlar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_sign |
| 13:17.30 | Workfoz | this is about @, not about "arroba" which can be/was represented by @ |
| 13:17.48 | nevcairiel | thats supposed to be a and b? |
| 13:17.50 | Semlar | this is possibly the most ridiculous argument i've ever witnessed |
| 13:18.03 | jleclanche | arroba has been represented by @ far longer than the character has been representing "at" |
| 13:18.08 | Workfoz | so? |
| 13:18.09 | jleclanche | the concept seems to have been reused |
| 13:18.12 | Workfoz | change should be outlawed, clearly |
| 13:18.17 | jleclanche | what? |
| 13:18.50 | Workfoz | why does it matter, /at all/ what it used to represent |
| 13:19.02 | jleclanche | Workfoz: it can't be the literal meaning of the character if the literal meaning of the character is something completely different |
| 13:19.07 | jleclanche | this is what is being argued here |
| 13:19.20 | Workfoz | it's not being used that way anymore, it now represents the concept of "at" |
| 13:19.28 | Workfoz | in English |
| 13:19.31 | jleclanche | that doesn't make it the "literal meaning" |
| 13:19.38 | Semlar | it sort of does |
| 13:19.48 | jleclanche | shut up Semlar. I'll pay you $50 to help me. |
| 13:19.53 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 13:19.56 | Semlar | i can't be bought! |
| 13:20.00 | jleclanche | $60 |
| 13:20.06 | Semlar | i'll think about it |
| 13:20.11 | jleclanche | $65. |
| 13:20.19 | Workfoz | ok, so "literal meaning in language X" is wrong, is what you're saying? "literal" should only ever refer to the original-original meaning in whatever language that might be? |
| 13:20.35 | Workfoz | that's certainly debatable |
| 13:20.38 | Semlar | hang on i know a guy who's an expert in these things, let me get him down here |
| 13:20.52 | Workfoz | yeah, lets get Dagmar and Amarande in on this |
| 13:20.57 | Maldivia | awful... originally "full of awe"... today, the complete opposite... |
| 13:21.04 | Workfoz | I want 20 chat lines per minute, at least |
| 13:21.13 | jleclanche | Workfoz: you're talking about the meaning of a *character*. the character is not even english, its literal meaning is long gone |
| 13:21.32 | Workfoz | it's not a "character" in English, it's a sign |
| 13:21.40 | jleclanche | a sign, whatever |
| 13:21.51 | Xuerian | Aren't they called glyphs? |
| 13:21.52 | Semlar | sign, sign, everywhere a sign |
| 13:21.56 | jleclanche | glyph, sigil |
| 13:22.02 | Workfoz | glyphs would include characters |
| 13:22.03 | nevcairiel | portuguesse cork marchants apparently still use arroba as a unit, or so wikipedia claims! |
| 13:22.05 | Workfoz | letters? |
| 13:22.07 | Workfoz | whatever! |
| 13:22.11 | Workfoz | enjoy yourselves :P |
| 13:22.14 | Xuerian | Symbol. |
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| 13:22.49 | jleclanche | "The retards in #wowuidev have 50 words for 'letter'" |
| 13:23.38 | airtonix | how bout those guys |
| 13:23.48 | jleclanche | see Workfoz, language evolution in a domain! |
| 13:24.02 | Xuerian | chuckles and goes to bed. |
| 13:24.07 | Workfoz | I am Workfoz, and I approve this message. |
| 13:24.09 | Maldivia | this is turning out really nice ... and by nice, I mean that 14th century meaning of "nice" |
| 13:24.18 | jleclanche | the city? |
| 13:24.44 | Workfoz | the city is still called that today (in English) |
| 13:24.54 | nevcairiel | Middle English, foolish, wanton, from Anglo-French, silly, simple, from Latin nescius ignorant, from nescire not to know |
| 13:24.58 | airtonix | it's not nice |
| 13:25.23 | Maldivia | the city would be Nice |
| 13:25.31 | nevcairiel | its funny how words can practically flip their meaning |
| 13:26.03 | Xuerian | And then John realized HE was the one giving words their meaning |
| 13:26.08 | Xuerian | And John was sad. |
| 13:26.50 | Workfoz | obviously you mean "the was sad" |
| 13:26.52 | Workfoz | damnit |
| 13:26.53 | Workfoz | *they |
| 13:26.57 | jleclanche | Jack: [thinks for a second] Early 21st century slang...is "cheesy" good or bad? Mickey: It's bad. Jack: But "bad" means "good", isn't that right? |
| 13:27.32 | jleclanche | Maldivia: I think you'll catch that one :) |
| 13:27.37 | Maldivia | I did |
| 13:27.55 | jleclanche | hehe |
| 13:28.29 | nevcairiel | who could not get cap'tn jack |
| 13:28.31 | Maldivia | and no, we aren't saying he isn't handsome :) |
| 13:29.49 | jleclanche | I dont think anyone can say that |
| 13:32.19 | Stanzilla | wtf is this discussion |
| 13:32.21 | Stanzilla | jerome, calm down |
| 13:32.28 | jleclanche | I'm calm |
| 13:32.32 | jleclanche | I won the discussion a while ago. |
| 13:32.41 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 13:32.43 | Stanzilla | calm down though |
| 13:32.56 | Semlar | you can't win a discussion |
| 13:33.07 | Stanzilla | and tell me why word refuses to print 4 sheets on a page |
| 13:33.09 | jleclanche | no Semlar. *you* can't win a discussion |
| 13:33.16 | airtonix | i win |
| 13:33.19 | airtonix | the button |
| 13:33.21 | airtonix | i pressed it |
| 13:33.57 | Semlar | i see you over there looking up the definition |
| 13:34.40 | airtonix | umad? |
| 13:41.24 | zenzio | "I hope that whatever HTTP2.0 ends up being enforces encryption by default." - "No, you really don't. Encryption is good for Facebook, but enforcing it for your Internet-of-Everything lightbulb or temperature probe in the basement gains nothing other than more complex bugs and lower battery life." - "Nice try NSA." |
| 13:45.16 | jleclanche | zenzio: who is the piece of shit who replied this? |
| 13:45.40 | zenzio | as you might expect, Slashdot. http://tech-beta.slashdot.org/story/14/05/26/2316248/phk-http-20-should-be-scrapped |
| 13:45.49 | zenzio | first three posts |
| 13:46.05 | jleclanche | anonymous of course |
| 13:47.18 | airtonix | guilty as charged |
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| 14:27.08 | Stanzilla | man that guy is a retard |
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| 14:36.10 | nevcairiel | I would agree that forced encryption is not the solution |
| 14:36.37 | nevcairiel | at least not the way http encryption works today |
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| 14:42.58 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: the problem is more with the reason the guy gave |
| 14:43.14 | bluspacecow | james old chap |
| 14:43.25 | bluspacecow | good IRC client for android ? |
| 14:43.30 | jleclanche | quasseldroid |
| 14:43.44 | jleclanche | my name is jerome as Stanzilla will remind you every passing hour |
| 14:43.45 | nevcairiel | well i can see it using more battery on some appliance that wants to export some data |
| 14:43.54 | nevcairiel | still a silly reason though |
| 14:44.12 | bluspacecow | well i knew someone would answer anyway |
| 14:44.20 | bluspacecow | should we start calling your james now James ? |
| 14:44.21 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: for a while with amro we designed a protocol for "internet of things" device-to-device communication |
| 14:44.23 | nevcairiel | quasseldroid is only useful if you run quassel |
| 14:44.27 | jleclanche | encryption was absolutely necessary |
| 14:44.42 | jleclanche | the simple reason is you do not want people outside your home to be able to know whats in your home |
| 14:44.48 | Ackis | hmm I'm trying to log the output from a script to a file but it's also an interactive script, is there a way to accomplish both? Right now I'm basically doing exec > "$logfile" 2>&1 |
| 14:44.54 | jleclanche | "Oh hey, look at that nice £2500 TV in his living room." |
| 14:45.59 | jleclanche | Ackis: how interactive is it? you can just feed it stdin |
| 14:46.02 | nevcairiel | i think i would expect my lightbulb to sit on my encrypted wifi, and not connect to the internet |
| 14:46.21 | nevcairiel | but guess thats just me not trusting the internet at all with such things |
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| 14:47.21 | jleclanche | no device should be on WAN unless there is a good reason for it to be |
| 14:47.35 | jleclanche | "being a lightbulb" is not a good enough reason |
| 14:49.42 | Ackis | jleclanche: no, it's a script to update metadata and the interactivity comes in when there's a multiple match and you need to choose which one |
| 14:50.26 | nevcairiel | make it output interactive questions on stderr, output you want logged on stdout, only redirect stdout? |
| 14:50.33 | jleclanche | Ackis: well, stupid as it sounds, if its for a one-off you can just open two terminals side by side, log to file, tail -f the file |
| 14:50.47 | jleclanche | and type in the blind while you look at what it asks |
| 14:50.51 | nevcairiel | can probably also tee the log |
| 14:51.15 | Ackis | jleclanche: that's worth a try at least |
| 14:51.17 | jleclanche | nevcairiel's solution would work better but requires you to modify the script |
| 14:51.30 | nevcairiel | script | tee log.txt | echo |
| 14:51.34 | nevcairiel | shouldnt that work |
| 14:57.56 | nevcairiel | maybe even without the echo |
| 14:58.02 | nevcairiel | should just output stdout that way |
| 15:03.19 | mitch0 | ackis: man script |
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| 15:22.56 | jleclanche | mitch0: that's discriminatory! what about womanscripts? |
| 15:23.14 | jleclanche | mitch0: (if you're wondering why I'm trigger happy: https://github.com/django/django/pull/2692) |
| 15:23.29 | nevcairiel | that was a funny ticket |
| 15:23.39 | nevcairiel | even funnier that some dude actually merged it |
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| 15:24.27 | nevcairiel | also that it took 6 days to be noticed, someone probably posted it on slashdot :p |
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| 15:31.54 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: it showed up on HN for a very brief moment until the mods struck it down |
| 15:31.59 | jleclanche | then it kinda went viral from there |
| 15:32.13 | jleclanche | any EU needs galleon? |
| 15:32.32 | nevcairiel | people still do t hat? |
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| 15:33.20 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: i need to do it to get rid of a container in my bags |
| 15:33.26 | jleclanche | it has 3 coins and i only have room for 2. |
| 15:36.04 | g0urra | is watch dogs overhyped? |
| 15:36.25 | nevcairiel | from what i've briefly played it looked fun |
| 15:36.32 | nevcairiel | but its a bit unstable right now, hoping for a patch soon |
| 15:39.48 | g0urra | "Definately one of the best games that comes out this entire friggin decade. 10/10, but there's one thing that I'd like to point out. The title is indeed, very, very, misleading. You can't watch dogs at all. So if you're an animal lover, this isn't the game for you. Tons of violence, and no animals." |
| 15:39.50 | g0urra | ^steam |
| 15:40.37 | nevcairiel | the main char kinda reminds me of tom cruise in one of his solo warrior movies, just that the name isnt jack |
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| 15:50.28 | pompy | baeur!? |
| 15:50.32 | pompy | ;) |
| 15:52.37 | Unkle | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/blizzard-sues-unknown-creators-of-starcraft-iis-valiantchaos-maphack/ |
| 15:57.04 | bluspacecow | old |
| 15:57.09 | bluspacecow | :3 |
| 15:59.51 | Unkle | *shrug* I don't even play SCII. I was just curious to read about another case. |
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| 16:07.50 | bluspacecow | you could always apply for a login for the courts systems database |
| 16:07.54 | bluspacecow | and check your self :P |
| 16:08.33 | Unkle | Heh. |
| 16:08.37 | bluspacecow | *palm smack* |
| 16:08.42 | bluspacecow | PACER login |
| 16:08.45 | bluspacecow | i in nz has one :P |
| 16:08.51 | Unkle | Yeah. I know what you meant. |
| 16:09.49 | bluspacecow | :3 |
| 16:09.52 | bluspacecow | *fondle* |
| 16:10.12 | Unkle | I'm sort of like a movie exec. I prefer someone else to read the entire set of legal documents and give me the high-points. If I want to know more, then, and only then will I actually read the whole case. |
| 16:10.20 | Unkle | er, filing, not case. |
| 16:10.44 | bluspacecow | which means you trust them not to put their own bias on it |
| 16:11.24 | bluspacecow | If I’m derping on the PACER i do that too - look up the parties , examine the initial court intro thingy . choose to read further or ignore |
| 16:14.32 | Fisker | I pooped bluspacecow |
| 16:14.41 | bluspacecow | ohy rly ? |
| 16:14.49 | Fisker | Yep |
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| 16:33.55 | Unkle | copying 16 gigs of data to a USB stick can make it ... warm. |
| 16:35.57 | Fisker | That's hot Unkle |
| 16:36.02 | Maldivia | must but some very hot pictures you're copying... |
| 16:36.30 | Unkle | Maldivia: Bah. Just a database backup. |
| 16:36.55 | Maldivia | ... so a hot database backup :P |
| 16:37.43 | g0urra | porn database |
| 16:38.08 | Unkle | Imagine robot porn ads ... "Hot Databases near you want you to Query them." |
| 16:39.38 | Amarande | hah |
| 16:39.45 | Amarande | that'll be a good one if I ever write that one sci-fi story |
| 16:39.56 | Maldivia | Unkle: why query, when you can insert into ? |
| 16:39.58 | Amarande | the one where I still have the bar scene idea in my head for, but not much else |
| 16:40.11 | Amarande | basically, guy goes into space or gets frozen in time or whatnot and comes back way in the future |
| 16:40.20 | Unkle | Maldivia: Careful though, you don't want to spawn a child process. |
| 16:40.26 | Amarande | and then when he gets back robots have taken over the whole world ... and have taken it over for some time |
| 16:40.46 | Maldivia | Unkle: so.. you rollback the transaction :P |
| 16:40.57 | Amarande | he goes to a bar to try to get some food and drink, but the robots, being friendly enough, but having taken over for so long that they've basically forgotten about humans altogether, keep trying to point him to things that'll kill him anyway :) |
| 16:41.20 | Amarande | "Food? What's that ... Oh wait, now I understand! You need energy! Just plug yourself in right over here!" |
| 16:41.21 | Unkle | Maldivia: ooo, third-party monitoring and transactional recording. hawt |
| 16:41.37 | Amarande | "Drink? You must mean internal lubrication, here is a nice refreshing cup of our very best machine oil!" |
| 16:42.41 | Maldivia | Unkle: and if it's really kinky, there might be some master/slave action going on as well |
| 16:43.20 | Unkle | Maldivia: You caught me as I was drinking. Now there's water on my monitor. |
| 16:43.50 | Amarande | Maldivia: I dunno ... unlike humans, many of whom love their BDSM, robots are probably likely to look down on master/slave action ... they'll probably see it as outdated inferior tech that proper modern robots shouldn't still be using :) |
| 16:44.23 | Unkle | Amarande: Kink isn't about that. |
| 16:44.49 | Maldivia | :D |
| 16:46.46 | Unkle | Maldivia: I'm totally going to write a Heavy Metal-esque story with these gags. |
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| 16:47.49 | Amarande | Unkle: also virtual parenting must be a harrowingly nervous task ... after all, usually when you die, the OS automatically kills your kids :) |
| 16:49.14 | Maldivia | Unkle: why not a love ballad ? |
| 16:49.27 | Unkle | Maldivia: Because I'm a terrible poet. |
| 16:49.53 | Unkle | And I meant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_Metal_(film) |
| 16:50.32 | Maldivia | ah :P |
| 16:51.47 | Unkle | Which, if you haven't seen, you should. It's fantastically great. Bits so bad they're amazing. |
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| 16:52.32 | Unkle | And the music is badass. |
| 16:55.33 | Maldivia | and now my head is filled with badly written sql-inspired "poetry" |
| 16:58.03 | Unkle | *Mr. Burns voice* Excellent. |
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| 17:00.35 | zenzelezz | blargh... there's this guitarish thing playing for just a very short while in each Hell's Kitchen finale as they celebrate the winner; it quickly moves on to something else. I can't for the life of me seem to find out what that guitary part is, and Shazam fails since there's so much junk playing over it |
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| 17:02.32 | zenzelezz | closest google seemed to get me was a Yahoo Answers question where the only reply was "no idea" |
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| 17:10.38 | Amarande | yeah, there really needs to be a good way to search for analog things like sound and such |
| 17:10.53 | Amarande | trying to find instrumental songs (or songs based on instrumental parts) is a *pain* |
| 17:14.38 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: it's probably something made for the show |
| 17:16.41 | Amarande | heh, remember when you could, at least it seemed you could, almost always safely assume that a TV theme was at least "something by Mike Post"? :) |
| 17:20.17 | Unkle | Check the show's credits on imdb? |
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| 17:44.18 | zenzelezz | Unkle: no dice it seems. I'm guessing Maldivia is right, but I'd hoped to find out anyway =) |
| 17:44.51 | zenzelezz | Amarande: a bit like "female voice = Jennifer Hale"? |
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| 17:45.36 | Unkle | zenzelezz: Sorry, music credits can be a real pain to suss out. Might have actually email the production company and ask. |
| 17:46.18 | Amarande | zenzelezz: I've always noticed a variety in VAs, actually |
| 17:46.20 | zenzelezz | nah, it's merely curiosity |
| 17:46.24 | Amarande | although it does seem like the pool is fairly limited, heh |
| 17:46.40 | Amarande | especially in anything of Japanese origin translated to English, where I almost always recognise "hey, that's ______ from .hack" |
| 17:47.07 | Amarande | (since pretty much .hack//IMOQ was when I was first really introduced to the Standard Set of English Dub VA's, heh) |
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| 18:30.04 | Fisker | I agree jleclanche |
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| 19:06.40 | Kalroth | jleclanche: btw, i'll need your address soon, preferably one where I can ship a case of expensive beer |
| 19:07.04 | TC-Work | His mouth doesn't have an address. |
| 19:07.17 | Kalroth | it should have one, it's big enough for one! |
| 19:07.46 | TC-Work | something something something so does your mom. |
| 19:07.58 | Kalroth | :D |
| 19:12.17 | Amarande | Kalroth: international shipping of alcohol ... that's gonna be a doozy |
| 19:12.38 | Amarande | Kalroth, you're from the USA right? |
| 19:12.43 | Kalroth | nope, Denmark! |
| 19:12.51 | Amarande | ah, right |
| 19:12.58 | Kalroth | home of mediocre beer and other things |
| 19:12.59 | Amarande | still, pretty sure jleclanche isn't from denmark |
| 19:13.06 | Amarande | international shipping'll be a doozy heh |
| 19:13.13 | Kalroth | he's a brit currently |
| 19:13.13 | Amarande | especially with how much a case of beer weighs *shudder* |
| 19:13.26 | Kalroth | yeah, might have to resort to a gift certificate :P |
| 19:13.31 | Kalroth | or a handful of dogecoin |
| 19:13.43 | Kalroth | such gift, much happiness |
| 19:14.49 | alestane | Someone shared access to their Google Play development account with me, and I accepted. Now, I can't for the life of me figure out to to access their console. Anyone have any experience with this? |
| 20:21.33 | kd3 | the plain loading spinner getting stale? try something new: https://i.imgur.com/WtWdQ9s.gif |
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| 20:24.52 | zenzelezz | kd3: lol |
| 20:25.25 | Neffi | kd3: +1, going to use |
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| 20:43.03 | Unkle | kd3: Is that Quickpigeon from X-Pigeons: Nests of Future Past |
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| 22:37.19 | zenzelezz | "Imagine if we could discover the one thing that all mass shooters had in common. Like one thing that they all owned."... heh |
| 22:38.38 | Simca | kittens |
| 22:38.41 | Simca | the answer is kittens |
| 22:39.03 | zenzelezz | sounds more like a lack of kittens |
| 22:46.04 | Amarande | zenzelezz: well mass shooters by definition have some kind of ranged weapon (and probably a gun specifically ... pretty sure a bow is too slow unless you're Legolas, and if you're Legolas you probably have everything you need in life anyway and have no reason to deathly hate anything except Orcs :) |
| 22:46.23 | Amarande | sadly, though, the nothing really in common thing is the case when the search for a litmus is extended to spree killers in general :( |
| 22:49.50 | Amarande | An interesting thing that's come up though on the "video games" complaint though: you might actually have to worry more about people who play, say, King.com Saga facebook games than about people who play the traditional violent fare, ironically |
| 22:50.23 | Amarande | apparently, there is no scientific basis for violence in games to induce rage, but there is for frustration in games (and have you ever PLAYED a Saga game past the 15th level or so? LOL) |
| 23:15.22 | Torhal | ... |
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| 23:57.25 | TC-Work | jleclanche: Do you know how to replicate the comma at the end of a print statement to negate \n with the django template? {% spaceless %} doesnt work because this is not html. |
| 23:59.35 | Fisker | jleclanche is pretending to afk |
| 23:59.36 | Fisker | :O |
