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| 00:15.03 | Neffi | lol @ this description http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/54274/? |
| 00:24.39 | plaw | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23758875/capture-image-via-capturestillimageasynchronouslyfromconnection-with-no-shutter |
| 00:26.09 | airtonix | noone cares about ios |
| 00:26.40 | Neffi | plaw: Wow, that's kinda clever |
| 00:28.08 | TC-Work | Wouldn't it be easier to simply modify the initial shutter sound to nothing? |
| 00:28.25 | airtonix | you're not allowed to |
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| 00:28.51 | airtonix | come on TC-Work, you should know that you have no freedom to do anything on apple products except purchase the next version |
| 00:29.09 | TC-Work | That's not free either.... |
| 00:29.10 | airtonix | also, incoming update to prevent this |
| 00:29.29 | Amarande | airtonix, incoming update to prevent you from buying the new iphone? :) |
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| 00:29.58 | Amarande | "we're sorry, but the fact that you can choose to purchase the next iphone is too much freedom" |
| 00:30.00 | airtonix | i don't need an update for that |
| 00:30.02 | Amarande | though |
| 00:30.37 | Amarande | wouldn't that be more likely handled with "you have had this iphone for X months ... as part of the iphone customer auto-update process your iphone has automatically placed an order for the new iphone. your credit card has been billed. have a nice day" |
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| 00:31.13 | airtonix | careful Amarande. you're walking on thin ice. iphone users are the paragon of freedom. |
| 00:31.34 | airtonix | the bible says so |
| 00:32.08 | airtonix | or was that the twin towers memorial tour guide brochure? |
| 00:32.25 | Amarande | ahhh, so that famous mark of the beast we're all going to be required to have in order to engage in commerce is an itunes account? |
| 00:32.28 | Amarande | I thought it was a google account |
| 00:32.38 | Amarande | or maybe paypal |
| 00:32.50 | airtonix | i don't mind eating apples with snakes |
| 00:33.16 | Amarande | huh. interesting, in japan apparently it's illegal for camers to have no shutter sound |
| 00:34.15 | Neffi | Pretty sure it's more than just Japan |
| 00:34.21 | Neffi | I think it's even illegal in some US states/cities |
| 00:34.31 | airtonix | it's not illegal in Amarande mothers house |
| 00:36.01 | Amarande | heh, probably more likely the blue states at that, too |
| 00:36.21 | Amarande | you know, typical Democratic politician's procedure ... everything can be solved with even more red tape and regulations! :p |
| 00:36.39 | Neffi | yeah, that's exactly how most democrats think /sigh |
| 00:36.43 | Amarande | meanwhile some surreptitious pictures can only enhance the Republicans' culture ... gotta have something to gossip about at the upscale parties LOL |
| 00:36.59 | Amarande | there's a reason why it's the Daily Mail that has the mile-long sidebar of celebrity women news after all! |
| 00:37.30 | airtonix | i don't like you for the next five minutes Amarande |
| 00:37.35 | Neffi | hey jleclanche, you still play legocraft? |
| 00:37.37 | plaw | in australia, the new conservative gov't are fighting rising costs and red tape of health care... by introducing a new tax and more paperwork |
| 00:37.40 | plaw | WOOHOO |
| 00:37.45 | Amarande | uh oh, airtonix must be a daily mail reader |
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| 00:37.53 | airtonix | what's that? |
| 00:37.55 | jleclanche | Neffi: huh? I never played that |
| 00:38.02 | Neffi | jleclanche: minecraft ;) |
| 00:38.04 | airtonix | minecraft mod? |
| 00:38.06 | jleclanche | oh |
| 00:38.15 | jleclanche | Neffi: sometimes, not lately, why? |
| 00:38.22 | plaw | tackle hugs jleclanche |
| 00:38.25 | Neffi | I totally forgot I had Minecraft. Was gonna fuck around for a little while |
| 00:38.27 | jleclanche | :) |
| 00:38.46 | airtonix | on cogwheel? |
| 00:38.47 | jleclanche | Neffi: I dont have my server up sorry; and if I did it wouldnt be much use, I got some heavy traffic here |
| 00:38.48 | Amarande | plaw: well, Tony Abbott is an idiot, heh |
| 00:38.56 | jleclanche | Neffi: yeah hang around cograil instead |
| 00:39.07 | Neffi | might hop on cograil, if I still have the info saved (I dont think so) |
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| 00:39.33 | jleclanche | cogwheel.info iirc. |
| 00:40.11 | plaw | Amarande: there are laws about being overly insulting to idiots. Sure, our Attornet General wants to get rid of those laws, but they're still on the books ... for now... |
| 00:40.35 | Amarande | the sad problem with reading international news frequently, no matter where you are. you get to realise that leadership being idiots seems to be a nigh universal human condition, not just an ailment uniquely impacting $HOMECOUNTRY :S |
| 00:41.17 | plaw | Amarande: (3) things are universal, which result in idiots being elected as leaders. In no particular order (1) Peter Principle (2) Gell-Mann Amnesia (3) Dunning-Kruger Effect |
| 00:42.54 | plaw | Peter Principle - Folks get promoted on how well they did their last job, not how well they'll do the job they're being promoted in to |
| 00:43.28 | plaw | Gell-Mann Amnesia - You'll read an article on (say) physics in the newspaper and it's full of inaccuracies and laugh at it. Then turn the page to find out what's going on in the (say) middle east and believe every word |
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| 00:43.52 | plaw | Dunning-Kruger - Stupid people are so stupid you can't tell them otherwise |
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| 01:06.57 | alestane | "In any given hierarchy, each individual rises to his own level of incompetence and then stays there." |
| 01:12.09 | airtonix | so where on that scale would you be alestane? |
| 01:12.18 | TC-Work | At his level |
| 01:12.22 | TC-Work | didn't you read? |
| 01:12.24 | airtonix | which is ? |
| 01:13.27 | airtonix | i guess he hasn't reached it yet |
| 01:24.00 | alestane | I do my best to stay out of the hierarchies. The other factor of the Peter Principle is to remember in dealing with hierarchicial organizations that they are composed mostly of people who are doing the job they can't do well enough to get promoted. |
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| 01:27.39 | Amarande | we can probably blame this partly on the fact that hierarchical organisations don't have an entirely well-founded scale of values, either |
| 01:27.59 | Amarande | such as the fact that they generally value managing people to do the task as a more valuable job than actually doing the task |
| 01:29.08 | TC-Work | alestane: As opposed to there is nowhere to get promoted to? |
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| 01:53.40 | Neffi | https://i.imgur.com/oh2txJi.jpg |
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| 03:10.14 | Amarande | *sees the bnet client stuff while installing hs* 250k prize pool for hearthstone?? |
| 03:10.21 | Amarande | *shakes head* whatever happened to the day |
| 03:10.36 | jleclanche | Amarande: what about it? |
| 03:10.43 | Amarande | jleclanche: when video games were video games, and we played them for fun and there wasn't all this buzz and glitz and high stakes eSports stuff and all that :S |
| 03:11.39 | jleclanche | Amarande: remind me how much facebook paid for that app that lets you send pictures of your food? |
| 03:11.51 | Amarande | yeah, that's insanity too |
| 03:12.09 | Amarande | not to mention, we're basically talking a buyout that might as well have been in Facebook Credits here in the long run |
| 03:12.22 | jleclanche | 250k for a tournament is fine, its not like they wont make the money back |
| 03:12.30 | Amarande | sooner or later facebook stock is going to come down to earth and it's not going to be worth that LOL |
| 03:12.35 | jleclanche | hearthstone isnt a competitive esport, but it sure is really fun to watch |
| 03:13.02 | Amarande | yeah, it's interesting how fun card games are to watch, actually ... just like I've found it fun to watch people play magic, too :) |
| 03:13.19 | jleclanche | hearthstone is the first game I've ever actually enjoyed just watching |
| 03:13.25 | jleclanche | i watch it more than I play it in fact |
| 03:13.29 | Amarande | possibly more fun than actually playing Magic in the latter case, mostly because it's too insanely expensive to build a good Magic deck these days heh |
| 03:14.16 | jleclanche | that is the main reason i stayed the f away from actually playing magic |
| 03:15.49 | Amarande | yeah, nowadays I basically never play Magic unless it's my friends and I doing a draft at a party |
| 03:16.33 | Amarande | hm. how is deckbuilding in HS? like will a general common sense choice of cards prevail, or are we talking like, well, magic where you have to know all the FOTMs and gimmicks and all? |
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| 03:30.38 | jleclanche | Amarande: depends on your region |
| 03:30.46 | jleclanche | US is extremely meta-based, EU less so |
| 03:31.09 | jleclanche | i am absolutely disgusted with the state of the game in the US |
| 03:31.17 | jleclanche | heres hoping naxx will bring new life into all that |
| 03:36.06 | jleclanche | i just got an interesting priest arena draft |
| 03:47.46 | jleclanche | Alright then. https://mediacru.sh/PF0jShNBTUR8 |
| 03:51.38 | Amarande | heh. I'm surprised the Illidan battle actually does allow you to win it |
| 03:51.53 | Amarande | I was almost certain it was going to be like Heishin from Yugioh Forbidden Memories, where it was actually going to be something you can't win |
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| 04:05.45 | Amarande | Hrm, proving grounds to be able to queue solo for heroics at level 100 ... well, I can say what effect that's going to have on the game :) |
| 04:05.58 | Amarande | can we say "guild groups are going to be more important than ever" :) |
| 04:10.47 | Amarande | seems like the negative feedback on this is already rolling in in waves ... yeah, you'll need a guild group, for at least one reason and possibly two depending on your spec, from what I'm hearing of how poorly the PG are tuned |
| 04:14.16 | Amarande | 1) apparently some specs seem to have an incredibly hard time with the PG and/or it's not really a fair assessment because for some specs it requires artificial strategy that's completely counter to what you'd actually be doing in a group (I thought the point of PG was to, you know, prove that you'll be decent at what you'll need to do in a group?) |
| 04:14.54 | Amarande | 2) if the whole proving grounds thing is as unpopular as it sounds, having it as a requirement for random queues is going to make random queues have such insane queue times that you could have spent that time researching and joining a guild and already be in the dungeon by the time it would pop! :) |
| 04:16.43 | Amarande | if they're that concerned about things, why don't they just take current expansion heroics out of LFD altogether, at least until later tier? :S |
| 04:18.24 | Amarande | also apparently ... 3) a lot of people are finding they can't do proving grounds with their regular gear because the stat weights are wrong, which means you get people who have to completely regear to a set they'll never otherwise use, just so they can meet the gating for randoms ... wtf Blizz |
| 04:27.23 | airtonix | how long do you think you can keep this up karl_w_w? |
| 04:27.49 | Amarande | airtonix: are you on a hearthstone losing streak against karl? :) |
| 04:28.23 | airtonix | i'm actually the director/producer of triple a pornography |
| 04:30.37 | airtonix | Amarande: there's always one level i can reduce the conversation to. |
| 04:30.45 | Amarande | heh |
| 04:31.06 | Amarande | I just gave hearthstone a try tonight, it's pretty neat |
| 04:33.29 | Iriel | Amarande: Ive found it fairly enjoyable - much more so than other similar games |
| 04:34.18 | Amarande | I'm still surprised Illidan wasn't one of those "you're expected to lose" kind of storyline duels |
| 04:34.51 | Amarande | after seeing how the duel starts off, and also the "this fight isn't even remotely fair" blurb, I expected something on the lines of Heishin 1 from the old PS1 Yugioh game |
| 04:37.00 | Amarande | so, is next patch 5.4.9, 5.5.0, or 6.0.1, or do we not know yet? |
| 04:42.15 | airtonix | no one cares |
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| 06:44.02 | bluworkcow | http://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/26c6co/hackers_9_300000_in_damage_per_second_every/ |
| 06:44.04 | bluworkcow | wat |
| 07:02.49 | airtonix | yuwat? |
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| 07:03.56 | airtonix | oh."20yrs ago ... Computers were new" << lol |
| 07:04.44 | airtonix | bluworkcow: you need to recpirocate |
| 07:05.02 | bluworkcow | lol |
| 07:07.27 | airtonix | that's better |
| 07:13.50 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:21.17 | karl_w_w | I'll never let you beat me airtonix |
| 07:21.41 | airtonix | nothing some viagra won't solve |
| 07:22.27 | karl_w_w | so, there are probably fucking thousands of adjectives to describe something that tastes good, one of them being 'yummy'. but this flyer comes through the door and on it is the phrase "Goodness that's yum!" Well fuck you! |
| 07:22.52 | airtonix | bible propaganda? |
| 07:23.58 | karl_w_w | uncle toby's oats propaganda |
| 07:24.08 | airtonix | sounds dodgey |
| 07:25.21 | airtonix | i'd put the thing under chemical spectrographical radiological pheremonics test for any potential meme-virus |
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| 07:35.28 | jleclanche | Heres the problem with rolling releases |
| 07:35.42 | Neffi | Semlar: dying in D3 now, I see ;) |
| 07:35.44 | jleclanche | my font rendering doesnt suck right now. ive no idea when that happened. |
| 07:35.50 | jleclanche | it used to suck, now it doesnt. |
| 07:35.56 | Semlar | neffiiiiiiii |
| 07:36.08 | Neffi | Tomorrow I'm gonna see if my computer will run D3. I'll buy that instead of GW2 if so |
| 07:36.14 | Neffi | semlarrrrr |
| 07:36.24 | Semlar | why you let me die |
| 07:36.33 | Neffi | it brings me great pleasure |
| 07:36.44 | Semlar | well i guess that's alright.. |
| 07:37.24 | Neffi | jleclanche: I call that a benefit |
| 07:37.45 | jleclanche | Neffi: right but ive no idea when this happened |
| 07:38.38 | jleclanche | Neffi: when i was using ubuntu, I would look at versions of gcc, xorg and what not targeted in the next alpha and break my setup so hard going into completely unstable channels just to get gcc 4.x+1 |
| 07:39.52 | jleclanche | now, features and fixes I actually want are being put in behind my back and I can't even enjoy updating those things when I upgrade it |
| 07:40.07 | Neffi | I dont understand the desire to compile your own packages and have bleeding edge broken stuff |
| 07:40.34 | jleclanche | I dont compile much; arch is very binary if you stick to the repos |
| 07:40.38 | Neffi | Anyway the software I care about, I tend to follow the development blog (if there is one) or the changelog (if not) |
| 07:43.26 | Neffi | Is D3 multiplayer? |
| 07:43.46 | Semlar | you can have 4 people in a group |
| 07:44.11 | jleclanche | Neffi: and its not always a desire as much as it can be a need |
| 07:44.43 | jleclanche | especially when you do development in general, being on the latest versions is good. you have a much easier time doing forwards compatibility with things |
| 07:45.13 | Neffi | fair enough |
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| 07:45.37 | Neffi | I like being on the latest stuff. As long as it's the latest stable release stuff |
| 07:45.49 | jleclanche | sure, thats what arch is |
| 07:46.04 | jleclanche | just because its rolling release doesnt mean it packages -git stuff in core |
| 07:46.14 | Neffi | I know. I tend to use Arch, when I use Linux |
| 07:46.23 | jleclanche | good night |
| 07:46.35 | Neffi | nite |
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| 09:27.30 | airtonix | hey karl_w_w. you should be furious. snails are being mocked. |
| 09:27.54 | karl_w_w | okay airtonix, I'll get right on it |
| 09:28.02 | airtonix | https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/1601354_735602706474625_1383979934_n.jpg |
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| 09:34.15 | karl_w_w | "FPS realism shooters (BF4, COD etc)" <- redefining the word realism |
| 09:37.05 | airtonix | throw a bag of something... everything good. |
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| 09:54.19 | zenzelezz | karl_w_w: "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" |
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| 13:11.27 | Sintacks | I really wish I could tell Curse client to watch a folder that isn't the wow folder ;| |
| 13:18.09 | Caleb| | mklink ? |
| 13:18.46 | Sintacks | it deletes links when updating instead of the target |
| 13:23.45 | Caleb| | yeah I thought you meant your whole AddOns foldier not a specific addon |
| 13:25.10 | Sintacks | my actual addon folder is \World of Warcraft\Interface\Addons\ where \Addons\ is a symlink to \World of Warcraft\Interface\AddOns.Full\ or \AddOns.Lite\ depending on which UI I am using. |
| 13:25.24 | Sintacks | i fuckd that up in a few places |
| 13:25.26 | Sintacks | oh well |
| 13:25.55 | Sintacks | my actual addon folder is \World of Warcraft\Interface\Addons\ where \Addons\ is a symlink to \World of Warcraft\Interface\AddOns.Full\ or \AddOns.Lite\ depending on which UI I am using. |
| 13:26.01 | Sintacks | that's better |
| 13:27.01 | Sintacks | curse client monitors \AddOns\ so when it updates an addon, it deletes the folder(s) in \AddOns.Full\ or the symlink in \AddOns.Lite\, depending on the target of \AddOns\ |
| 13:27.46 | Sintacks | oh, and \AddOns.Lite\ is full of symlinks to to \AddOns.Full\ |
| 13:27.49 | Sintacks | but only of the addons i want for that UI set |
| 13:28.05 | Sintacks | and that's why there is the problem with how it does it. |
| 13:28.33 | Sintacks | if i want to update addons, I have to first set the links to the .Full dir and if i don't, I have to re-make symlinks |
| 13:38.47 | jnwhiteh | wah |
| 13:38.53 | jnwhiteh | everyoen else has heroes of the storm but me :P |
| 13:44.27 | nevcairiel | i dont |
| 13:45.29 | jnwhiteh | =/ |
| 13:49.16 | Arrowmaster | i dont either |
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| 14:00.13 | Arrowmaster | payroll screwed up my first 2week paycheck and only deposited 1 week, so they overnighted me a paycard that im having trouble activating |
| 14:05.53 | Cide | jnwhiteh: how did the run go? :) |
| 14:06.07 | bluspacecow | interesting |
| 14:06.08 | bluspacecow | http://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/268fkk/simple_hearthstone_logging_see_your_complete_play/ |
| 14:06.17 | bluspacecow | http://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/26dh1y/deck_tracker_proof_of_concept/ |
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| 14:43.25 | bluspacecow | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kllZsaNGtVg |
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| 15:09.48 | zenzelezz | "Fight Night Hearthstone - Season 3 & 4" - have I been paying very little attention? I thought HS was still (open) beta? |
| 15:12.02 | bluspacecow | rofl |
| 15:12.06 | bluspacecow | nope.jpg |
| 15:12.06 | nevcairiel | it was "released" on the 11th of march |
| 15:12.25 | zenzelezz | I see. Still sounds odd to have had two seasons of whatever that show was |
| 15:12.31 | zenzelezz | but clearly I don't care :) |
| 15:13.34 | fewyn | they did the show during the beta |
| 15:13.42 | fewyn | the game has been basically released since closed beta |
| 15:13.58 | zenzelezz | I'm going to pretend I didn't forget that they could have started before release |
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| 15:18.37 | fewyn | good call |
| 15:21.13 | Stanzilla | jnwhiteh: the game is really not that great |
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| 15:53.59 | zenzelezz | Facebook's face recognition is interesting. Someone posted this screenshot: https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t31.0-8/1486015_10152551126561802_8256156597653580340_o.jpg - and it identified every face except the second |
| 15:54.09 | zenzelezz | I guess I should say "detected", not "identified" |
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| 16:41.24 | Fisker | asdfgsfds |
| 16:48.25 | zenzelezz | couldn't agree more |
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| 16:57.28 | Neffi | https://imgur.com/gallery/TmlsHfi lel |
| 17:04.13 | bluspacecow | https://imgur.com/gallery/u5gOMIb |
| 17:04.14 | bluspacecow | lol |
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| 17:06.40 | bluspacecow | original source! http://san-renard.deviantart.com/art/Vicious-PnM-Kitty-76873149 |
| 17:18.20 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: So I ended up buying one. |
| 17:18.29 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: 8-) |
| 17:18.35 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: when does it arrive? |
| 17:18.54 | Thunder_Child | Some time at the latter part of next week |
| 17:19.44 | Thunder_Child | And I suspect I will take it to work. If I keep it at home, I am going to want to use it as my main monitor, and I am not going to want to reduce the rez to play games on it. |
| 17:20.01 | Thunder_Child | I would need to sli my 780 to handle it. |
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| 17:22.50 | Arrowmaster | what did you get? |
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| 17:24.05 | Thunder_Child | 4K monitor |
| 17:24.14 | Thunder_Child | The new one by samsung |
| 17:26.46 | Syllios | I'm trying to figure out how to tell if a spell applies a buff or rebuff, GetSpellInfo(...) is probably the wrong way to go, any ideas on how I can go about doing this? I've looked over the API but can't find much to it and UnitAura would require me to have a unit. I'd just like to scan the spells available and determine if they're buffs or debuffs. :/ been trying for an hour so though more experienced people would find this tri |
| 17:28.51 | Syllios | debuff* freaking autocorrect keeps changing it to rebuff |
| 17:29.45 | zenzelezz | "So I was hitting on this girl, but she kept debuffing me" |
| 17:30.19 | Syllios | ha |
| 17:35.01 | Syllios | :( i'll just have to hard-code them |
| 17:55.25 | jnwhiteh | Stanzilla: still fun tho |
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| 18:15.06 | jleclanche | jnwhiteh: ping |
| 18:16.12 | kd3 | pvplive's armageddon tourney is up right now - http://twitch.tv/pvplive |
| 18:16.43 | jleclanche | urgh |
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| 18:32.11 | kd3 | wow, rogue so stronk. 200k to 0 in a gcd |
| 18:36.53 | Amarande | kd3: rogue the aggressor or the victim? |
| 18:37.01 | kd3 | the aggressor |
| 18:37.04 | Amarande | and I hope you're not enjoying being a combat rogue :( |
| 18:37.14 | Amarande | at least, until we see the revamped proving grounds and can put fears to rest :| |
| 18:37.18 | kd3 | no, just reacting to my previous link |
| 18:37.51 | Amarande | Apparently combat is one of the specs that has trouble with PG, which basically means unless you've got a guild slot lined up, forget about it in WoD :S |
| 18:38.00 | foxlit | “we will win eventually” << I approve of that team name. |
| 18:38.26 | Amarande | foxlit: heh. other appropriate names for folks to consider on a similar vein: "Besaid Aurochs" |
| 18:40.28 | Amarande | so, what do you guys think about the whole "silver medal to random queue for heroics" row for WoD? |
| 18:40.53 | kd3 | as long as they follow through on the promise they made when they announced it, I have no issues |
| 18:40.59 | foxlit | “Fs, “autocorrect, you aren’t fast enough. |
| 18:41.10 | nevcairiel | if you cant get silver, you dont deserve to play heroic dungeons |
| 18:42.09 | foxlit | Everything depends on tuning, which nobody has seen yet. |
| 18:42.27 | foxlit | So there’s no reasonable way anyone could have an informed opinion on the subject. |
| 18:42.55 | nevcairiel | assuming its tuned decently, a basic skill test is brilliant |
| 18:44.22 | nevcairiel | even proving grounds today offer a okish experience, if they improve on that, it should be good |
| 18:44.31 | Amarande | nevcairiel: the problem is that we have only the current proving grounds to judge on, which would be a terrible measure of things atm |
| 18:44.50 | nevcairiel | nonsense, its not that terrible |
| 18:44.52 | kd3 | just like *everything else* in warlords that's changing |
| 18:44.55 | kd3 | relax |
| 18:46.11 | Amarande | basically, certain specs are having a much harder time of it than others, often not at all in proportion to the spec's actual capability, and some are even saying that with some specs, in order to "prove" yourself, you need to engage in tactics that run completely counter to actual good group practise |
| 18:46.36 | Amarande | the other problem (which will go away in WoD though I presume) is that people are having trouble because they're in higher end gear now, and the 463-scaling system is leaving them with bad stat spreads due to the way the weightings work |
| 18:46.37 | kd3 | which, again, as long as blizz follows through on their promise to properly tune it, as they kinda have to, this becomes a nonissue |
| 18:47.09 | nevcairiel | no stat spread can be that bad to fail proving grounds silver today |
| 18:47.17 | nevcairiel | for endless, maybe, but silver |
| 18:47.33 | Amarande | from what I've been reading on blog comments about it from players, especially healers seem to be having trouble with mana because they don't have enough spirit after gear scaling |
| 18:47.51 | Torhal | Chicken Little is back? Shit. |
| 18:47.58 | kd3 | because they're playing like they're in soo gear, when they need to be playing like they're in heroic gear |
| 18:48.00 | Amarande | especially heal specs that rely on spamming raw heals, as opposed to the more gimmicky HoT and bubble based specs |
| 18:48.19 | Amarande | one guy found it super easy on disc priest, but like pulling teeth on holy |
| 18:48.25 | nevcairiel | thats a common problem, healers in high-end gear often forget how to play properly mana starved |
| 18:48.45 | Amarande | heh, wonder if that's precisely why the proving grounds are being pushed, come to think of it |
| 18:49.11 | Amarande | one of the biggest problems I remember seeing when Cata came out, for instance, was groups running aground because healers were running themselves dry on mana |
| 18:49.29 | kd3 | cata was a clusterfuck tuning-wise |
| 18:49.32 | Amarande | because they were used to the 'I can heal all night no problem' paradigm of ICC |
| 18:49.40 | nevcairiel | i love cata heroics |
| 18:49.45 | nevcairiel | healing was so much fun |
| 18:49.50 | nevcairiel | challenging, finally |
| 18:50.18 | nevcairiel | we used to say the real healing doesn't begin until you're out of mana |
| 18:50.56 | Amarande | otoh, it's not so fun for the other four people when you get a healer that's not up to the challenge and everyone dies of it, though :( |
| 18:51.11 | nevcairiel | but WoD healing will be different anyway, those that spam as much as they can will not win anymore, you need to be smarter |
| 18:51.15 | nevcairiel | if their plans hold up anyway |
| 18:51.26 | Amarande | yeah, maybe the proving grounds do have some merit to them, especially since atm one is loath to kick all but the absolute bottom of the barrel tanks or healers in particular, due to the fact that that usually means the group breaks up altogether due to the requeue time |
| 18:52.48 | Amarande | though on the flip side that's one of the worries about the PG requirement, that it will just make the random heroic queue mostly useless altogether |
| 18:53.12 | nevcairiel | rather wait a bit longer than getting a noob tank :P |
| 18:53.15 | Amarande | which may be realistic ... I mean ... let's see. a lot of people who are known to be good already will skip the proving grounds and just run with guild groups, since there's no requirement if you're premade |
| 18:53.30 | Amarande | meanwhile a lot of the people who can't get guild groups, of course, won't be good enough to do the proving grounds either |
| 18:53.43 | nevcairiel | if they run with guild groups, they wouldnt queue for LFD anyway, so nothing lost |
| 18:53.45 | Amarande | which means you'll get barely any folks in the queue and aeons long waits, I suppose |
| 18:53.50 | nevcairiel | if you cant do PG, nothing lost |
| 18:53.50 | kd3 | then they can keep random-queing for normal |
| 18:53.52 | nevcairiel | sees no problem |
| 18:54.31 | nevcairiel | anyway, even if you run with guild groups, you never have guild groups 100% of the time, so you will run LFD eventually |
| 18:55.05 | nevcairiel | and for a decent player, PG is a 10 minutes thing, so nothing to block them from simply doing it |
| 18:55.35 | Kesava | mandatory pg is amazing |
| 18:55.47 | Amarande | heh, wait a bit longer ... you know, much as I love large, epic dungeons like BRD and Maraudon and Kara |
| 18:55.49 | Kesava | even if silver is just "you have to keep threat otherwise your aoe healer person dies" then it's fine |
| 18:56.00 | Amarande | I'm also kinda glad that the endgame dungeons you run on a regular basis are relatively short these days |
| 18:56.20 | nevcairiel | yeah silver is not likely to be hard, just things like dodge an attack here and there, and do your role properly otherwise |
| 18:56.38 | Amarande | I've run into time management trouble in, say, SW:TOR, because both the queues AND the flashpoints are very long, so it's completely unpredictable how long you need to set aside to do one |
| 18:57.07 | Amarande | Kesava: yeah, that seems to be the thing, a lot of people are fearing 100 PG will be the same screwup 90 PG can be now |
| 18:57.31 | nevcairiel | silver in 90 pg is damn easy, even if the downscale screws up your stats, if you cant do silver, y ou suck |
| 18:57.40 | Amarande | (especially with DPS specs, the difficulty seems to vary wildly, and it is not at all comparable to the actual DPS performance of the spec ... indeed some of the best DPS specs seem to be ones reporting issues, while some specs that traditionally suck by comparison have an easy time of it) |
| 18:57.48 | nevcairiel | the screw up may prevent you from getting endless, or maybe even gold, but not fucking silver |
| 18:58.07 | Amarande | yeah, most of the people who have trouble with silver don't even have trouble till the last couple waves or so |
| 18:58.34 | Amarande | (personally, I would think that's best solved with a point system instead of an all or nothing pass/fail, but meh) |
| 18:59.36 | Amarande | one thing I'm seeming to gather is that specs that are more agile, relying on a lot of quick melee attacks or instant cast dots or the like, seem to be having the easiest time |
| 18:59.54 | Amarande | while specs that are more "fixed turret" in nature seem to be getting the short end (not really surprised since that seems to have been a thing with MoP in general) |
| 19:00.41 | Amarande | otoh, come to think of it I wonder if that's a good thing |
| 19:01.16 | Amarande | as in if fixed-turret specs (things like foobolt-spamming specs and the like) actually do need to be held to a higher standard of skill, especially in pugs |
| 19:01.59 | Amarande | after all ... the agile spec is much more able to keep things up on the go, and less likely to stand in fire :) |
| 19:02.25 | Stanzilla | who triggered Amarande |
| 19:02.34 | Amarande | while things like mages? mages are fire snugglers, for several reasons LOL |
| 19:03.52 | Kesava | i blame nev |
| 19:03.54 | Amarande | (both the fact that we so often have to worry 'move now or finish cast?' and the fact that if we use our useful rune of power, it makes it harder to see warning graphics) |
| 19:04.33 | nevcairiel | its just fun to get him going and then see how many pages of monologue he produces |
| 19:04.40 | Amarande | someone like an aff lock? for the most part you're gcd-bound anyway. you've got plenty of time to be careful about position and no excuse to stand in fire :) |
| 19:05.18 | Amarande | (and yet meanwhile shadow priests apparently are having trouble with pg ... then again, we're talking shadow priests in mop so I'm not surprised, alas) |
| 19:05.45 | Amarande | btw: are the silver medals from MoP going to be good for WoD, or will they need to be re-earned? |
| 19:06.23 | kd3 | mop PG 'cheevs become feats of strength in 6.0, so you'll need new ones in wod |
| 19:07.23 | Kesava | that means i need to get endless tank now then |
| 19:07.53 | Kesava | great |
| 19:08.25 | Kesava | actually i guess they might reuse the titles. |
| 19:09.06 | nevcairiel | somehow endless tank sounds easier than endless healer, not like a tank runs out of mana or something |
| 19:09.15 | Amarande | hopefully they drop the PG requirement later on in WoD though (like, perhaps, when the 2nd tier comes out and heroics become faceroll again anyway) |
| 19:09.38 | Amarande | a lot of the PG haters seem to be altitis sufferers, annoyed because they're going to have to do the same thing 20, 30 times if they want all their alts to be able to go |
| 19:10.36 | Amarande | perhaps understandable to have to do it on your main early in the expansion (especially since except *perhaps* for MoP, and that probably because there was only one dungeon tier at all at 90, all the expansions' heroics have been at least a tad nasty to pug at get go) |
| 19:11.00 | Amarande | but on every alt when say 6.4 is out might be a bit much |
| 19:11.27 | Kesava | nev: damage taken increases by 1% every round or something |
| 19:11.35 | Kesava | i've only got up to 10 :( (on a monk) |
| 19:12.17 | nevcairiel | that seems kinda odd, i mean, its usually not your primary job to run away from the enemys after taunting them :p |
| 19:12.26 | Kesava | indeed |
| 19:12.43 | Amarande | nevcairiel: heh, yeah, that's one of the complaints leveled at PG |
| 19:12.45 | nevcairiel | but i guess they had to do something to make it a bit harder for tanks |
| 19:13.05 | nevcairiel | if endless would just be mob-collecting-duty, that would be easy |
| 19:13.06 | Amarande | apparently it's not too rare for you to have to do something that's completely counter to what you'd actually be doing in a group |
| 19:13.39 | nevcairiel | teaching tanks to avoid a bit of damage and manager their active mitigation is a good thing though =P |
| 19:13.41 | Amarande | (a legitimate complaint really, if we're actually to see them as "proving grounds" in the sense of readiness for raiding) |
| 19:14.15 | Amarande | though on the other hand, in the sense of being a well-rounded Spec Class, it's probably a good thing |
| 19:14.22 | Amarande | what was I saying a while ago, that grouping makes you weak? :) |
| 19:14.46 | nevcairiel | and again, nothing of this applies to silver, the problem only appears on endless |
| 19:16.08 | Amarande | one thing I did hear about holy priest, curious about how big an issue it really is |
| 19:16.34 | Amarande | apparently, part of the trouble is that in many a proving grounds fight, you're unable to use the mana efficient heals enough because they take too long to cast, thus there's an overreliance on flash heal |
| 19:16.39 | Amarande | which seems to be what in turn leads to most of the mana issues |
| 19:17.24 | Stanzilla | someone press the stop button |
| 19:18.21 | Amarande | it seems it's *mostly* a problem with endless/gold, but some folks have seen issues with it in the last rounds of silver (probably from gear that downscaled especially harshly, I'm guessing) |
| 19:19.20 | Amarande | s'pose it could be worse, anyway. they could have required us prove ourselves in the brawler's guild instead :) |
| 19:21.13 | Gnarfoz | I did, it was labeled "/ignore" |
| 19:29.59 | kd3 | huh. the livestreamer python app likes pvplive, but doesn't like wcs_europe |
| 19:35.33 | Amarande | huh. |
| 19:35.43 | Amarande | monetisation interference, perhaps? |
| 19:36.15 | Amarande | like maybe one of them does things like youtube where they push a separate video first for the ad, and livestreamer doesn't like that? |
| 19:36.22 | Amarande | haven't really got into pvp streaming video, so not sure |
| 19:41.12 | Gnarfoz | clearly it has anti-european prejudice |
| 20:54.48 | kd3 | eesh. 10 minutes into overage for the champions league game |
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| 21:09.50 | karl_w_w | 10 minutes in ovaries? |
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| 21:24.42 | jleclanche | what's that song again.. |
| 21:24.59 | jleclanche | the one that goes dadidadun, dadidadun, dadida-di-da-dun |
| 21:26.32 | Thunder_Child | Don't they have programs for things like that? |
| 21:30.24 | Amarande | T_C: only if you know actual lyrics off the top of your head (then you can google), pretty much |
| 21:30.37 | Amarande | much more of a pain to find songs based on instrumentals |
| 21:33.48 | jleclanche | yea |
| 21:33.57 | jleclanche | i once spent 6 years finding a song |
| 21:34.54 | jleclanche | and as it turns out, someone in this channel found it for me. so since then I ask here :P |
| 21:46.31 | zenzelezz | any idea roughly what genre it is? |
| 21:47.47 | Shirik | jleclanche: are you talking about "be my lover"? |
| 21:48.04 | jleclanche | Nah, I found it so nvm :p |
| 21:48.19 | jleclanche | thankfullly, hbo keeps a solid list of songs they use in their episodes |
| 21:50.04 | zenzelezz | jleclanche: then at least tell us what song it was |
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| 21:57.20 | Amarande | what's fun is when you try to google a song based on hearing the wrong lyrics ... LOL |
| 21:59.37 | Gnarfoz | zenzelezz: no that's what reasonable people would do |
| 22:01.12 | Amarande | HBO ... I'm going to guess True Blood then, simply because GoT doesn't use any mainstream music :) |
| 22:01.28 | jleclanche | 6 feet under |
| 22:01.36 | jleclanche | I'm really taken by the series |
| 22:02.27 | Cide | jleclanche: liam neeson style? |
| 22:02.38 | jleclanche | is that english? |
| 22:02.47 | Cide | certainly |
| 22:02.55 | jleclanche | no, I'm asking if you just spoke english to me |
| 22:03.02 | Cide | I understood |
| 22:03.05 | Cide | and yes, I did |
| 22:03.31 | jleclanche | Cide: I'll be your neighbour in two months! |
| 22:03.38 | Cide | jleclanche: oh my! |
| 22:03.44 | jleclanche | oh yours indeed |
| 22:03.49 | Cide | we need to meet for beer then :) |
| 22:03.53 | Cide | or a fika |
| 22:03.59 | jleclanche | is that poisonous? |
| 22:04.01 | Cide | what brings you to stockholm? |
| 22:04.05 | jleclanche | a plane |
| 22:04.05 | g0urra | heh fika |
| 22:04.33 | Cide | fika is swedish for coffee [and optionally something to eat] |
| 22:04.36 | zenzelezz | Dreamhack, obviously |
| 22:04.39 | g0urra | jag vet |
| 22:04.47 | Cide | g0urra: I wasn't replying to you :P |
| 22:04.56 | jleclanche | Cide: so it's swedish for the english for café |
| 22:04.58 | g0urra | :( |
| 22:05.25 | jleclanche | i wont be there in time for dreamhack zenzelezz. but what brings me there is a desire to leave the UK |
| 22:05.52 | Cide | there will be a dreamhack in stockholm in the fall |
| 22:05.58 | Cide | but not a traditional one apparently |
| 22:06.02 | jleclanche | I thought it was next month? |
| 22:06.06 | Cide | yes |
| 22:06.10 | Cide | but in the fall there's some new thing |
| 22:06.15 | Cide | hackaton + esports or something |
| 22:06.19 | Cide | not LAN |
| 22:06.27 | Cide | and it's like an invite-only hackaton or something |
| 22:06.29 | Cide | weird |
| 22:06.37 | zenzelezz | Dreamhack used to be a LAN, way back |
| 22:06.37 | Cide | I can't type |
| 22:06.39 | Cide | hackathon |
| 22:07.01 | Cide | zenzelezz: well it still is right? |
| 22:07.10 | Cide | except not this event |
| 22:07.18 | zenzelezz | Cide: I don't know, I haven't looked into it for a long time |
| 22:07.25 | jleclanche | theres some hearthstone invitational going on in june at dreamhack |
| 22:07.30 | zenzelezz | last TG I went to was 2003, and since then I've not looked at either DH or TG |
| 22:07.31 | jleclanche | several popular streamers are going |
| 22:07.37 | Cide | yeah |
| 22:07.44 | Cide | dreamhack always does esports |
| 22:07.53 | Cide | but the one in the fall is ONLY esports |
| 22:07.57 | Cide | and the hackathon |
| 22:08.02 | Cide | no open-for-everybody LAN |
| 22:08.18 | Cide | not really sure why, but oh well |
| 22:08.36 | Gnarfoz | there's a Dreamhack in fall? |
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| 22:08.48 | Amarande | and for that matter has there actually become a standard yet for what competitions can be regarded as an "eSport", anyway? |
| 22:08.54 | Gnarfoz | I remember them being clearly named "Dreamhack summer" and "Dreamhack winter" |
| 22:08.55 | Cide | september 26-27 |
| 22:09.02 | Cide | it was recently announced |
| 22:09.10 | Gnarfoz | it's additional to the others? |
| 22:09.13 | Cide | yes |
| 22:09.14 | Cide | http://www.dreamhack.se/dhs14/2014/01/09/dreamhack-presents-dreamhack-stockholm/ |
| 22:09.15 | Gnarfoz | cool |
| 22:09.20 | Amarande | hell, people still debate on the standard of real sports, like folks who insist the IOC has lost their marbles to consider chess and contract bridge to be sports |
| 22:09.30 | jleclanche | Amarande: "arrogant feel-superior people in their early 20s play it at events and get money out of it" = esport |
| 22:09.58 | Cide | sounds like a narrow definition :P |
| 22:10.04 | Gnarfoz | sounds like irrational hate |
| 22:10.23 | jleclanche | esports have a narrow definition |
| 22:10.50 | zenzelezz | DH's esports streams tend to be pretty high quality |
| 22:11.04 | Gnarfoz | "competitive gaming" is pretty concise, yes |
| 22:11.06 | jleclanche | Im not saying the event needs to be like that |
| 22:11.10 | Gnarfoz | I wouldn't call it narrow, though |
| 22:11.43 | jleclanche | I'm saying as soon as you have semi-regularity in people playing it for money at events, thats an esport |
| 22:12.38 | Gnarfoz | aha |
| 22:13.16 | Gnarfoz | do you have many definitions that you make up yourself? :> |
| 22:15.56 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: sure |
| 22:16.32 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 22:16.35 | Seerah | Dagmar: you turned up in a google search ;) http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=292956 |
| 22:16.45 | Amarande | heh, this gamefaqs poll certainly says something about EA |
| 22:17.16 | Amarande | "which digital game store have you spent the most money on over the last year?" Steam, number one answer, 8987 of 25,433 voters. Origin? Bottom answer, just 103 folks. LOL |
| 22:17.26 | Gnarfoz | every time this week that I see a "did you vote, yet?" "don't forget to vote today!" post on imgur or wherever, I get confused and double-check that Germany doesn't vote until Sunday >_< |
| 22:19.21 | jleclanche | anyone familiar with flask? |
| 22:21.38 | Shirik | flasks of alcohol? :) |
| 22:22.04 | kd3 | http://flask.pocoo.org/ ? |
| 22:23.08 | jleclanche | kd3: yes |
| 22:23.38 | kd3 | all I can do is the simple hello world/static pages thing |
| 22:39.14 | plaw | http://www.instructables.com/id/Leather-Potion-Bottle-Holder/ |
| 22:39.41 | plaw | oh, different sorts of flasks.... ah well |
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