| 00:00.01 | plaw | something like that |
| 00:00.53 | plaw | I realised last night that it must be coming up to my 30th year of doing user support... |
| 00:15.13 | Amarande | wow, only five hour maintenance tomorrow for a sw:tor patch |
| 00:15.21 | Amarande | dammit, blizz, why can't you be that efficient with maintenance? :( |
| 00:15.56 | A-KO | T3 rifts? |
| 00:16.28 | Shirik | a while back, a friend of mine created a Twitter bot that tweets news headlines with the word "cyber" at the beginning of choice locations |
| 00:16.39 | Shirik | From today's headlines: https://twitter.com/cyberprefixer/status/468390634126983169 |
| 00:19.31 | Amarande | cybercyber? |
| 00:21.58 | Gnarfoz | we must go deeper |
| 00:22.34 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I just noticed while fixing Google+ Photos auto-upload, that my PSU is actually the AX750, so, previous model (that'd explain the absence of the switch) |
| 00:25.24 | plaw | Shirik: hah, a number of months ago https://twitter.com/cyberprefixerau appeared and I thought 'hey the original of that is the sort of thing someone I know, or someone who knows someone I know, would do' |
| 00:41.12 | plaw | http://www.climagic.org/coolstuff/obnoxious-shell-effects.html |
| 00:44.44 | *** join/#wowuidev Ressy (~Ressy@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Ressy) |
| 00:47.16 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Work (TC@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:feae:2e8b) |
| 00:47.39 | Ressy | So.. Rumor about patch tomorrow? |
| 00:57.45 | TC-Work | It gives a kitty to each person that downloads it. |
| 01:01.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Dotted^ (Dotted@x1-6-24-76-7d-9e-01-da.cpe.webspeed.dk) |
| 01:07.42 | Amarande | 5.4.8 or 6.0.1? :) |
| 01:08.21 | Mr_Rabies | 5.4.8 |
| 01:08.23 | Ressy | 5.4.8 |
| 01:09.51 | Shirik | TC-Work: what if I don't want a kitty |
| 01:10.14 | Amarande | Shirik: then no crazy cat lady achievement for you |
| 01:18.25 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~Kaydeethr@unaffiliated/kd3) |
| 01:46.22 | TC-Work | Shirik: Don't dowbnload the patch. |
| 01:47.01 | Kraps | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lLtMbX7PeY |
| 01:50.38 | TC-Work | download* |
| 01:56.25 | Simca | Ressy: not rumor. 5.4.8 is tomorrow |
| 02:07.47 | *** join/#wowuidev Seerah (~RyanNL@adsl-74-242-165-58.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 02:07.47 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 02:12.10 | Neffi | https://imgur.com/gallery/aIbMF |
| 02:13.10 | pompy | awww http://guardianlv.com/2014/05/warehouse-13-ends-long-series-run-tonight/ |
| 02:13.24 | pompy | https://www.facebook.com/eddie.mcclintock/posts/10152049128912447 |
| 02:18.01 | pompy | http://www.fbi.gov/news/news_blog/five-chinese-military-hackers-charged-with-cyber-espionage-against-u.s |
| 02:24.43 | Amarande | heh, wonder if it (or the SW:TOR patch) were released competitively or just as coincidence :) |
| 02:25.02 | Amarande | we get SW:TOR 2.7.2 tomorrow, too |
| 02:30.14 | Simca | coincidence in this case, they're going to be busy next week |
| 02:32.13 | *** join/#wowuidev Dewin (~Daniel@c-67-160-127-180.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 02:34.00 | Amarande | mind you, once again, I really wish Blizzard was as efficient with maintenance as EA is, though :) |
| 02:34.05 | *** join/#wowuidev oscarucb (~oscarucb@cpe-71-64-17-62.columbus.res.rr.com) |
| 02:35.03 | Amarande | (also, that WoW could be maintained without having to lock everyone out of the rest of B.net too ...) |
| 02:41.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Iriel (~Iriel@173-8-135-209-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 02:41.04 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 02:47.12 | Amarande | oh, nice. 2.7.2's main thing: if your subscription lapses, you're not bumped back into F2P one-chat-a-minute ghetto |
| 03:21.07 | relaxok | urf |
| 03:21.17 | relaxok | my parser needs to handle includes differently |
| 03:21.38 | relaxok | you have to parse the stuff in the includes before you can continue parsing the one you're on |
| 03:21.41 | relaxok | (duh) |
| 03:21.53 | relaxok | that's going to take a massive change |
| 03:53.35 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (~RyanNL@adsl-74-242-165-58.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 04:08.20 | Iriel | relaxok: Usually includes are handled at the lexer level, not parser |
| 04:16.20 | Dagmar | Umm... .mil is offline |
| 04:19.32 | kd3 | ho shit, we're going to launch the nukes |
| 04:21.45 | Thunder_Child | or they got their shit together and is implementing a large scale defence all at once. |
| 04:21.54 | Thunder_Child | but somehow I doubt it. |
| 04:40.12 | Wobin | wat |
| 04:41.26 | Wobin | all the specific sites seem to be up? |
| 04:41.30 | Wobin | army/navy/etc |
| 04:41.40 | Wobin | oh, that was 20min ago |
| 04:42.40 | Dagmar | Yeah they got it sorted but it was definitely a fuckup somewhere |
| 04:58.11 | *** join/#wowuidev ShadniX (dagger@p5DDFE20E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 05:00.24 | *** join/#wowuidev MentalPower|Work (~MentalPow@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 05:00.24 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v MentalPower|Work] by ChanServ |
| 05:01.41 | *** join/#wowuidev stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@unaffiliated/stolenlegacy) |
| 05:31.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Kodiack (~Colto_000@121-73-86-207.cable.telstraclear.net) |
| 05:52.49 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3|hate`net (~Kaydeethr@unaffiliated/kd3) |
| 06:51.18 | Jamash | Maybe they were trying to keep Colossus and Guardian from talking to each other. |
| 06:57.17 | *** join/#wowuidev bluipodcow (~bluspacec@114-134-0-79.lightwire.co.nz) |
| 06:57.18 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluipodcow] by ChanServ |
| 07:02.24 | *** join/#wowuidev VIad (~Vlad@151.117.45.31.customer.cdi.no) |
| 07:04.07 | airtonix | #signsimanoldfart |
| 07:04.36 | airtonix | you like that Jamash? |
| 07:04.45 | airtonix | i make you use twitter even if you don't want to |
| 07:05.00 | Jamash | airtonix: are you fisker's new understudy? |
| 07:05.20 | airtonix | pfff fisker is too sensible these days |
| 07:07.19 | Jamash | oh, so you're staging a coup? |
| 07:07.34 | Jamash | you should be careful |
| 07:07.38 | Jamash | I hear he once killed a guy |
| 07:18.33 | *** join/#wowuidev bluipodcow_ (~bluspacec@114-134-0-99.lightwire.co.nz) |
| 07:18.35 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluipodcow_] by ChanServ |
| 10:45.09 | *** join/#wowuidev purl (~purl@rikers.org) |
| 10:45.09 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://pastebin.com || 5.4.x ToC: 50400 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || 5.4.8 Changes to CVars While In-Combat http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/12674209697 |
| 12:10.36 | *** join/#wowuidev zz_dano5 (~dano5@208.79-160-124.customer.lyse.net) |
| 12:22.13 | *** join/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (~Lopeppepp@141.222.23.76) |
| 12:22.15 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 12:27.04 | *** join/#wowuidev alestane (~nevin@c-174-63-97-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 12:27.05 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 12:33.24 | Lopeppeppy | glomps alestane. Ha! |
| 12:39.08 | *** join/#wowuidev solocommand (~solocomma@208.86.102.194) |
| 12:49.34 | Workfoz | ~seen jleclanche |
| 12:49.35 | purl | jleclanche <~adys@unaffiliated/adys> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 12h 58m 36s ago, saying: 'plaw: http://p1.portal2sounds.com/sound.php?id=235&stream'. |
| 12:49.53 | Alram | classic jleclanche |
| 12:50.05 | zenzio | purl seems confused |
| 12:56.44 | Workfoz | yep |
| 12:56.49 | Workfoz | he was here 2 hours ago :D |
| 13:02.04 | alestane | Good morning, Peppy. You got in early. |
| 13:27.18 | *** join/#wowuidev jleclanche (~adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 13:34.42 | *** join/#wowuidev ikcerog (~ikcerog@ql1fwhide.rockfin.com) |
| 13:39.03 | *** join/#wowuidev Ressy (~resa1983@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Ressy) |
| 13:57.26 | *** part/#wowuidev phelps (user@unaffiliated/phelps) |
| 14:14.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Simca_ (~Simca@c-76-123-93-232.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 14:26.05 | *** join/#wowuidev jitta (jitta@91-65-42-224-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 14:27.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Mihau (~Mihau@76.164.170.2) |
| 14:46.51 | *** join/#wowuidev spode (~spode@h-243-171.a258.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 14:48.36 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/lWjX84P.png it's already happening Kappa |
| 15:00.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande (~Amarande@24-151-100-63.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 15:00.47 | Kalroth | karl_w_w: good thing its fake |
| 15:03.31 | *** join/#wowuidev g0urra (~g0urra@unaffiliated/gourra) |
| 15:17.44 | *** join/#wowuidev MentalPower|Work (~MentalPow@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 15:17.44 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v MentalPower|Work] by ChanServ |
| 15:25.12 | *** join/#wowuidev ikcerog (~ikcerog@ql1fwhide.rockfin.com) |
| 15:35.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Mihau (~Mihau@76.164.170.2) |
| 15:37.56 | Fisker | glomps Lopeppeppy |
| 15:38.20 | Lopeppeppy | Good second-morning. |
| 15:38.41 | Amarande | so, how's patch day going? |
| 15:39.05 | *** join/#wowuidev alestane (~nevin@c-174-63-97-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 15:39.07 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 15:39.24 | Fisker | morning Lopeppeppy |
| 15:40.25 | Lopeppeppy | I really, really hate writing to clients to tell them I can't help them, because $politics says that someone else who sucks at the job has to do it instead. |
| 15:42.51 | Fisker | :3 |
| 15:42.58 | Amarande | Time to tell office politics to take a hike? :) |
| 15:43.02 | Fisker | I just did it anyway |
| 15:43.13 | Fisker | Until the guy who sucks at the job kept crashing our servers |
| 15:43.23 | Fisker | well he still did that already |
| 15:43.49 | Fisker | But then he got us to do some ITIL stuff so we can't do changes on the fly so fuck that |
| 15:43.50 | Lopeppeppy | I try that with the grey-area people (fall between her responsibility and mine) but she looks very hard for a way to claim anything remotely "hers". I just throw up my hands and give up. |
| 15:53.29 | Amarande | oh right, b.net is still under maintenance isn't it :S |
| 15:59.32 | Amarande | how long is maintenance usually on patch days lately ... been a while |
| 15:59.52 | |Jelly| | Another ~2 hours minimum, likely |
| 16:00.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Unkle (~mconverse@50-0-113-124.dedicated.static.sonic.net) |
| 16:00.24 | |Jelly| | My guess: another 4 :P |
| 16:00.40 | *** join/#wowuidev alestane (~nevin@c-174-63-97-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 16:00.40 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 16:02.18 | Amarande | yeh, I think this is another reason I stopped playing wow again |
| 16:02.31 | Amarande | one of my two days off in a week is virtually always Tuesday |
| 16:02.51 | *** join/#wowuidev cogwheel (~Cogwheel@WoWUIDev/WoWProgramming/morlando/cogwheel) |
| 16:02.52 | Amarande | oh what's that? you have tuesday off and would like to get in a nice long gaming day the day you have off and DON'T have to be in at 7:30 the next morning? TOO BAD |
| 16:03.07 | Unkle | Sucka! |
| 16:03.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Venara (~Venara@95.44.83.252) |
| 16:04.19 | Unkle | City of Heroes used to have downtime daily. They did some sort of maintenance every morning for 2 hours. |
| 16:04.51 | |Jelly| | As did Galaxies |
| 16:06.35 | Amarande | TOR, on the other hand, has their weekly reset on Tuesday, but it seems most weeks they don't actually run maintenance |
| 16:06.46 | *** join/#wowuidev Unkle1 (~mconverse@50-0-113-124.dedicated.static.sonic.net) |
| 16:07.07 | Amarande | when there is maintenance, it's usually patch day and even then it's only five hours or so, and also ends much earlier in the day than Blizz's |
| 16:07.48 | Amarande | when it's longer, EA seems to actually understand that there are folks on the East Coast and starts it earlier so it actually ends before mid afternoon here. |
| 16:08.49 | Amarande | Blizzard doesn't seem to have much care about the East Coast at all anymore, everything's designed to cater to California folk really :( |
| 16:10.34 | Unkle1 | The real problem with having your staff on the Pacific coast is that if your staff rolls in at 9 local time, half of the day is already consumed on the Atlantic coast. |
| 16:10.56 | Unkle1 | And have you tried getting people to come to work at 6am if they don't absolutely have to? |
| 16:13.44 | zenzelezz | can be enough trouble just to get them to work at 9 |
| 16:14.22 | Amarande | Unkle1: isn't "absolutely have to" usually covered in most workplaces pretty well? |
| 16:14.40 | Amarande | generally by the "if you don't, you're going to be looking for another job and we're not going to give them a good reference" bit? heh |
| 16:14.54 | *** join/#wowuidev zoktar (~zoktar@unaffiliated/zoktar) |
| 16:15.04 | Unkle1 | I *hate* getting up before the crack of noon, but my job sort of requires it. And not all workplaces demand people be in early to accommodate other timezones. |
| 16:15.13 | Amarande | most companies, disobedient folks have a first name, it's F-I-R-E-D |
| 16:15.37 | karl_w_w | lolol |
| 16:15.54 | karl_w_w | you americans complaining about blizzard not caring about you |
| 16:16.03 | karl_w_w | try living in australia |
| 16:16.12 | Unkle1 | Right, but people willing to work "early" or "late" shifts usually have to get paid more to do so. Unless the need is pressing, companies like to avoid that expense. |
| 16:16.17 | Amarande | karl_w_w: well, comparing Blizzard and EA maintenance times, yeah |
| 16:16.33 | Amarande | EA tends to ensure that TOR maintenance is done by 11 in the morning or so, and that's on weeks where they need it |
| 16:16.53 | Amarande | And they don't lock out their entire stable of other games to do maintenance on one. Can you imagine if they told folks they can't play Madden or Battlefield because TOR is being maintained? :) |
| 16:16.57 | Unkle1 | Also, note that Blizzard Customer Service is spread over several time zones. |
| 16:17.15 | *** join/#wowuidev cogwheel (~Cogwheel@WoWUIDev/WoWProgramming/morlando/cogwheel) |
| 16:17.58 | Amarande | Blizzard does maintenance at a time that's convenient for West Coast folks, waiting till it's late at night on the West Coast so West Coast late night raiders aren't disturbed, and the fact that East Coasters have to wait till evening on some particularly big patch days to play at all? Oh, sorry! |
| 16:18.21 | karl_w_w | we get maintenance that starts at 6pm |
| 16:18.30 | Amarande | Unkle1: also keep in mind that Blizzard maintenance starts at 3 in the morning even Pacific time, so they're already doing midnight-oil shifts for it |
| 16:18.50 | Amarande | They might as well start it at 1 or midnight and make it that much friendlier on the East Coast folks the next day |
| 16:18.51 | Unkle1 | So you want them to start at midnight? |
| 16:18.52 | |Jelly| | Diablo 3 is up and Hearthstone have been up for quite some time now. |
| 16:19.02 | Amarande | But I guess California raiders get special treatment :P |
| 16:19.58 | Unkle1 | I think you should just put your pull-ups on and suck it up like everyone else. And if you don't like it, do what you already say you did - stop playing. |
| 16:20.00 | Amarande | (Well, and Oregon and Washington ones I suppose, too. But, hey, I've been to Oregon, so I've learned that California is dissed even among its West Coast neighbours, LOL) |
| 16:22.37 | Amarande | |Jelly|: well I see at least they've learned one lesson then :) |
| 16:22.41 | zenzelezz | so, Netflix suggestions... "Because you watched Dexter: [...] Christmas Vacation" |
| 16:23.03 | Amarande | the usual case with WoW maintenance seems to have always been lately, "oh you wanted to play D3 instead to tide you over while WoW is down? Oh, sorry, can't letcha do that, B.net's all joined at the hip now! Sorry!" |
| 16:24.58 | |Jelly| | Yeah, I haven't had that problem for a long time. *shrug* Maybe an hour here and there. Hearthstone usually comes up super early and when I notice that, I don't even try D3. |
| 16:28.56 | fewyn | anyone know of a good tabbed ssh client? |
| 16:31.25 | MiRai | speaking of maintenance... servers are up :) |
| 16:32.33 | karl_w_w | "Oh no, this stuff I'm copying to this USB drive is 5gb, I'll have to not put it on there" -> "Oh wait, never mind, it's 2014, this USB drive holds 32gb" |
| 16:35.34 | Unkle1 | zenzelezz: Holy shit, where's the Tylenol? |
| 16:35.43 | karl_w_w | I remember when a gigglebyte was so much data that we'll never fill it, like a petabyte now |
| 16:36.33 | Unkle1 | When I installed a 4GB SCSI drive in '97 my friends asked if I was trying to archive the entire internet. :P |
| 16:37.45 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 16:38.35 | karl_w_w | i remember trying to use that godawful drive compression thing in win 97 to get the tiniest bit of space |
| 16:40.28 | Unkle1 | Stacker for DOS was ... horrible. |
| 16:40.56 | Amarande | 640K will be enough for everyone! |
| 16:42.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Cide (~eandre@s213-103-203-212.cust.tele2.se) |
| 16:42.14 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 16:42.19 | Amarande | Unkle1: remember DBLSPACE? :) |
| 16:42.23 | Unkle1 | I remember people trying to defrag their compressed drives and basically destroying them. |
| 16:42.44 | Unkle1 | Amarande: Yes. It and Stacker made for serious tech support nightmares. |
| 16:43.12 | Unkle1 | And "RAMDOUBLER" |
| 16:44.15 | Amarande | And then those things (were they malware, or just snake oil?) like 386TO486 and 486TO586 that claimed to "upgrade your CPU" that went around a lot of BBS |
| 16:45.07 | Amarande | Mind you, if there's one thing that makes me eventually give up battle.net for good altogether, it's probably going to be their account security paranoia, alas |
| 16:45.12 | Amarande | It makes me jealous of Europeans. :( |
| 16:46.14 | Amarande | And really, it's not entirely Blizzard's fault either :( |
| 16:46.38 | Amarande | It's the fault of an overly overprotective GOTUS that insisted on passing ridiculously Draconian regulations about prepaid phones because of SMS spammers :| |
| 16:47.31 | Amarande | "We've gotta have LAWS about dem scammers! It's more important than whether, you know, legitimate uses of the system are suppressed as well!" |
| 16:48.01 | Amarande | It's an epidemic attitude in the USA, really. That legitimate actions need to take a back seat when it comes to setting up the system, #1 priority must always be malicious actors and their suppression :P |
| 16:49.05 | Amarande | But yeah, it amounts to two things. |
| 16:49.53 | Amarande | One is that if you don't want to deal with security question BS all the time, you pretty much have got to have SMS Protect, because Blizzard is much more aggressive about locking out accounts thinking people are "hacking" them (even things like, coming back to WoW after months or playing from a LAN party/friend's house/cafe on your laptop have been known to trigger it, and trigger it monotonously for some, too) |
| 16:50.55 | Amarande | Two is that because of those stupid, short-sighted anti-scammer government regulations, having SMS Protect in the USA increases your cost of playing on Bnet by a truly obscene factor. |
| 16:51.07 | Amarande | Probably by 50-75 USD a month for most folks, really. :| |
| 16:53.15 | Amarande | (But yeah, the way Blizzard is about auto-lockouts, you'd think every joe schmoe's WoW account is @N, heh) |
| 16:54.39 | Amarande | Not that I'm a big fan of account insecurity. I do have the authenticator for TOR as well as for Bnet :) |
| 17:00.14 | Amarande | Anyway, yeah, I would love to drop down to 40-50 bucks a month that prepaid cell companies charge for unlimited talk and text, instead of paying 125 a month to AT&T (at least after my contract runs out this winter) |
| 17:00.47 | Amarande | however, that is tinged by the fact that I'd probably have to drop SMS Protect ... and tbh, I'm not even quite sure what my security question even is anymore, let alone exactly how I spelled the answer (since bnet never seems to use the SQ when an SMS Protect code can be sent) |
| 17:09.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Silencer (~Silencer@93-87-156-75.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs) |
| 17:17.32 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO^^ (~A-KO@unaffiliated/a-ko) |
| 17:20.57 | *** join/#wowuidev alestane (~nevin@c-174-63-97-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 17:20.59 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 17:24.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Ackis (Ackis@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Troll/Ackis) |
| 17:26.03 | kd3|hate`net | emails out |
| 17:26.18 | Cide | you're an email |
| 17:26.44 | nevcairiel | kd3|hate`net: can you name the files pure .diff again? now i have to rename them for my diff viewer to open them :( |
| 17:26.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaelten (Kaelten@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/WoWIFA/CurseStaff/kaelten) |
| 17:26.50 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 17:26.59 | Fisker | first world problems |
| 17:27.13 | nevcairiel | .patch would work, too! |
| 17:27.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Sunshine (Sunshine@unaffiliated/sunshine/x-2691069) |
| 17:28.00 | Fisker | looks like a mistake to me nevcairiel |
| 17:28.30 | Fisker | kd3 is still trying to learn the windows interface and saving files in notepad with file extensions removed |
| 17:28.47 | nevcairiel | the files also have unix line endings, doubtful notepad was involved |
| 17:28.53 | nevcairiel | also, they have been like this for a while now |
| 17:29.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Ackis (Ackis@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Troll/Ackis) |
| 17:31.03 | Fisker | oh ok nevcairiel |
| 17:31.05 | Fisker | wanna fight? |
| 17:31.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaelten (Kaelten@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/WoWIFA/CurseStaff/kaelten) |
| 17:31.15 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 17:31.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Sunshine (Sunshine@unaffiliated/sunshine/x-2691069) |
| 17:32.46 | *** join/#wowuidev Torhal (Torhal@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedb:9160) |
| 17:36.38 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~Karl@61.116.96.58.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 17:40.59 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/4mMUSGv.png |
| 17:42.53 | Amarande | Fisker: heh, they adopted the term "bond" specifically so they can use phrasing like "slave in a bond" don't they :D |
| 17:43.36 | Fisker | maybe |
| 17:47.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Unkle (~mconverse@50-0-113-124.dedicated.static.sonic.net) |
| 17:51.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Ackis (Ackis@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Troll/Ackis) |
| 17:53.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Diesal (~quassel@110-174-123-122.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 17:53.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaelten (Kaelten@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/WoWIFA/CurseStaff/kaelten) |
| 17:53.29 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 17:53.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Sunshine (Sunshine@unaffiliated/sunshine/x-2691069) |
| 17:54.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Diesal (~quassel@110-174-123-122.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 17:55.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Torhal (Torhal@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedb:9160) |
| 18:01.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Funkeh` (~Funkeh`@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 18:10.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Jamash (~Thunderbi@c-98-212-84-42.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 18:33.23 | airtonix | why are you emailing .diffs |
| 18:33.31 | airtonix | is this 1980? |
| 18:35.02 | Stanzilla | for blizzard it surely is |
| 18:35.10 | Stanzilla | or better, for blizzard's engines |
| 18:47.03 | *** join/#wowuidev alestane (~nevin@c-174-63-97-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 18:47.05 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 19:11.57 | Amarande | airtonix: because not every project is complex enough to justify creating a version-control repo? |
| 19:17.01 | airtonix | if it needs diffs... |
| 19:17.14 | airtonix | also mint sucks |
| 19:25.23 | Cairenn | ~laziness |
| 19:25.23 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 19:27.38 | *** join/#wowuidev oscarucb (~oscarucb@cpe-71-64-17-62.columbus.res.rr.com) |
| 19:30.21 | airtonix | :> |
| 19:31.03 | TC-Work | Cairenn > airtonix. |
| 19:31.49 | airtonix | my point was: bitbucket account > make private > invite peoples > bang done. |
| 19:32.00 | Cairenn | rofl, didn't even realize that that was actually somewhat apropos in here at the moment, I'd snagged it for another channel |
| 19:32.37 | airtonix | rather than emailing diffs around that recipients then have to muck about with merging. |
| 19:33.27 | TC-Work | QQ airtonix, QQ. |
| 19:33.55 | airtonix | it's ok to cry TC-Work |
| 19:34.02 | airtonix | let it out |
| 19:34.16 | airtonix | set forth the deluge of despair |
| 19:35.47 | TC-Work | vomits on airtonix |
| 19:36.03 | airtonix | goood. let the hatred consume you |
| 19:36.13 | airtonix | soon you will be mine |
| 19:37.25 | TC-Work | Oh baby |
| 19:37.31 | TC-Work | I'm yours. |
| 19:38.03 | airtonix | something something something darkside, something something something complete |
| 19:39.58 | TC-Work | something cookies. |
| 19:40.17 | Maldivia | ice-cream |
| 19:43.15 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~Karl@61.116.96.58.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 19:46.34 | zenzelezz | "Hey man, what are you up to tonight?" "Oh, just hangin' out..." - http://1.vgc.no/drpublish/images/article/2014/05/20/22995394/1/988x637/2183636.jpg |
| 19:54.55 | *** join/#wowuidev |Jelly|_ (~|Jelly|@c-24-6-248-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 20:34.13 | TC-Work | zenzelezz: Are you sure that is not a mannequin? |
| 20:37.29 | g0urra | http://puu.sh/8Ujsh.jpg |
| 20:47.03 | Unkle | Wait, he's marrying someone who wouldn't go to BlizzCon with him? *ackbar.gif* |
| 20:52.23 | Amarande | Unkle: who knows, maybe they couldn't get tickets for her |
| 20:52.29 | Amarande | you know how much of a pain it is to get blizzcon tickets :) |
| 20:52.56 | TC-Work | Not unrealistic. |
| 20:56.26 | Unkle | I know how hard it was to get tix. Two years in a row I've only gotten a ticket because a friend scored one for me when I couldn't. |
| 20:56.50 | Unkle | And my first BlizzCon trip was only possible 'cause Kaelten had a spare. |
| 21:07.38 | *** join/#wowuidev alestane (~nevin@c-174-63-97-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 21:07.38 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 21:13.38 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande_ (~Amarande@24-151-100-63.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 21:42.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Seerah (~RyanNL@adsl-74-242-165-58.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 21:42.18 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 21:44.20 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO (as@unaffiliated/a-ko) |
| 21:47.54 | Stanzilla | http://www.twitter.com/BlizzardCareers/status/468869853173272576 < new bnet android app for sure |
| 21:53.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Diesal (~quassel@110-174-123-122.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 22:05.34 | jleclanche | Stanzilla: blizzard uses java in a lot of places |
| 22:05.49 | nevcairiel | their website for one |
| 22:05.51 | jleclanche | their servers |
| 22:05.51 | jleclanche | yeah |
| 22:05.58 | jleclanche | (http servers that is) |
| 22:06.15 | Stanzilla | I stil lwant a bnet android app |
| 22:06.26 | nevcairiel | that might've been kinda fun job, too bad its all in other places and not here |
| 22:06.30 | Stanzilla | I think they run tomcat, right? |
| 22:06.42 | jleclanche | they used to, I dont know if they still do. probably |
| 22:06.51 | jleclanche | though at least one of those jobs might be for hearthstone bnet |
| 22:06.51 | Stanzilla | should upgrade to aolserver |
| 22:06.57 | jleclanche | hearthstone android* |
| 22:07.17 | Gnarfoz | Oracle webserver best webserver |
| 22:07.32 | nevcairiel | go away with weblogic |
| 22:08.17 | Gnarfoz | it even has logic in the NAME |
| 22:08.29 | nevcairiel | it also has oracle in the name |
| 22:10.49 | Gnarfoz | they have a non-weblogic http server, too |
| 22:11.05 | Gnarfoz | (Apache httpd based) |
| 22:11.19 | Stanzilla | jerome recently suggested aolserver |
| 22:11.21 | Stanzilla | so it has to be good |
| 22:12.50 | Gnarfoz | oh btw |
| 22:12.59 | Gnarfoz | I wanted to reply earlier, but you were gone |
| 22:13.06 | Gnarfoz | did you figure out your nginx problem, jerome |
| 22:13.19 | jleclanche | I figured whats creepy about this |
| 22:13.24 | jleclanche | it doesnt highlight me |
| 22:13.28 | jleclanche | it feels very impersonal. |
| 22:13.35 | nevcairiel | add a highlight rule |
| 22:14.23 | Gnarfoz | I'll have to talk to your parents about you saying your name feels "impersonal" to you |
| 22:14.25 | jleclanche | and yes Gnarfoz I did |
| 22:14.33 | Gnarfoz | ok great |
| 22:14.42 | nevcairiel | back in the old days when i was still actively raiding, people always used my first name because everyone struggled to pronounce my nick |
| 22:14.49 | Gnarfoz | I just saw it when I came out of a meeting but you were gone :( |
| 22:14.56 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: I don't know my mother's maiden name |
| 22:14.58 | nevcairiel | so many funny variatons of people trying to say nevcairiel |
| 22:15.05 | jleclanche | I don't even know her first name, I just know her as Ma'. |
| 22:15.47 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: what's the intended pronounciation? something odd? or just what anyone who paid attention in German primary school should think it is? |
| 22:16.02 | jleclanche | its pronounced nevcairiel |
| 22:16.05 | Gnarfoz | exactly! |
| 22:16.19 | nevcairiel | nev-cai-riel |
| 22:16.35 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: see, I was going to write "your mom" first, but went with "your parents" instead so you couldn't make up (or use, in case true) some random story about how you don't know your mom, don't have one, are an alien, etc |
| 22:16.53 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: uh-oh I'm mispronouncing your nick! |
| 22:16.54 | nevcairiel | most people just say nevca-iriel |
| 22:16.58 | Gnarfoz | roflwhat |
| 22:17.01 | jleclanche | what why |
| 22:17.09 | nevcairiel | i dunno |
| 22:17.16 | jleclanche | nevkériel! |
| 22:18.56 | nevcairiel | most people eventually gave up and just said nevca, but its not my favorite short form |
| 22:18.59 | Esamynn|work | Oracle = O.R.A.C.L.E. = one raging asshole called larry ellison |
| 22:19.14 | Gnarfoz | I was thinking what you said (nev-cai-riel), but no diphtong on the ie, so, nev-cai-ri-el (although, no pause there, just trema, nev-cai-ri... damnit I thought I put combining-trema in my keyboard layout) |
| 22:20.00 | nevcairiel | i guess technically its nev-cai-ri-el |
| 22:20.19 | Seerah | that's the way I always say it :p |
| 22:20.21 | Stanzilla | I always said nev-cai-ri-el |
| 22:20.39 | Seerah | or just nev :) |
| 22:21.14 | nevcairiel | its was kinda fun in pugs the first couple times people not being sure how to say it, but after a while it just got old :p |
| 22:21.55 | Stanzilla | I love it when people run with the standard settings in grid and just use that as the name |
| 22:22.05 | Stanzilla | the 4 letters |
| 22:22.20 | nevcairiel | at least they would end up with nev then, can't pronounce an extra c |
| 22:22.30 | Stanzilla | how is 4 letters "nev" |
| 22:22.39 | nevcairiel | its nevc, but how do you say nevc |
| 22:22.40 | Seerah | "can't pronounce an extra c" |
| 22:22.42 | Neffi | certainly can, nevc |
| 22:22.45 | Stanzilla | people do that |
| 22:22.51 | kd3 | nev-kuh |
| 22:22.53 | nevcairiel | like a hard k, or what |
| 22:22.55 | foxlit | nev-see |
| 22:22.57 | Stanzilla | that's what I meant |
| 22:23.08 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: yep |
| 22:23.13 | Gnarfoz | neffk |
| 22:23.15 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:23.22 | Neffi | o.O |
| 22:23.28 | Stanzilla | I've been called "Arca" or "Arci" for so long |
| 22:23.30 | Seerah | an f is differnet from a v, though :p one is voiced |
| 22:23.33 | Stanzilla | that sounds super silly |
| 22:23.46 | nevcairiel | and i though nevca sounded silly |
| 22:23.53 | Gnarfoz | Seerah: that was for ze german |
| 22:24.03 | nevcairiel | (mostly because the proper name has no strong a sound in it) |
| 22:24.05 | Gnarfoz | they teach us v/f the wrong way around ;D |
| 22:24.55 | foxlit | I like how the PTR client updated to 18291, but the realms refuse to acknowledge that. |
| 22:25.01 | Seerah | trying to think of a German word with a v in it........ >< |
| 22:25.01 | Gnarfoz | (I don't think I can explain that in English (at this hour at least), but I'm sure the guys will agree that "Vogel-V" makes no sense at all) |
| 22:25.01 | Stanzilla | back when my char was still called like my irc nick, people really said "StanZ" instead of jsut stan :< |
| 22:25.13 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 22:25.28 | Gnarfoz | maybe they thought you were a steelworker |
| 22:25.33 | Stanzilla | probably |
| 22:25.47 | Gnarfoz | and an "ill" one at that |
| 22:26.00 | nevcairiel | stanzill is cool |
| 22:26.02 | Gnarfoz | oh god the denglisch, it's hurting my brain |
| 22:26.04 | Seerah | Gnarfoz: I think my German professor taught us how to pronounce f's incorrectly :) |
| 22:26.09 | Stanzilla | try to pronounce it now though: Maiel |
| 22:26.14 | Stanzilla | guess how many people get that wrong |
| 22:26.26 | Gnarfoz | just mush it all together |
| 22:26.43 | nevcairiel | my-el? i wouldnt know how to start :p |
| 22:26.53 | ajmitch | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.55 | Stanzilla | majel |
| 22:26.55 | Gnarfoz | Mah-jel |
| 22:26.58 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 22:26.58 | Stanzilla | yea |
| 22:27.09 | nevcairiel | well its not that different! |
| 22:27.13 | Stanzilla | indeed |
| 22:27.14 | nevcairiel | just less i |
| 22:27.14 | Torhal | Kal-el. |
| 22:27.16 | Gnarfoz | perhaps a case could be made for Mai-ell, but |
| 22:27.25 | Gnarfoz | not really |
| 22:27.27 | Stanzilla | Torhal: that is my hunter lol, Caiel though |
| 22:27.27 | Gnarfoz | should have another l then |
| 22:27.56 | Stanzilla | I was very creative back then |
| 22:27.58 | Gnarfoz | Seerah: just like with other languages, learners do have a tendency to have better grammar \o/ |
| 22:28.01 | Stanzilla | Rogue is Naiel |
| 22:28.04 | Stanzilla | see what I did there? |
| 22:28.10 | Gnarfoz | (although... this is pronounciations. lol I'm tired) |
| 22:28.19 | nevcairiel | i've always tried to come up with new names entirely |
| 22:28.21 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: yes, I see! you were being... uncreative! |
| 22:28.30 | Gnarfoz | am I right? :o |
| 22:28.36 | Stanzilla | a bit |
| 22:28.38 | Gnarfoz | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 22:28.42 | nevcairiel | mostly by mushing together letters until it sounded ok |
| 22:28.52 | Neffi | you too? |
| 22:28.58 | Stanzilla | I mostly steal |
| 22:29.09 | Gnarfoz | just like your Aldriana rogue buddy |
| 22:29.15 | nevcairiel | many of my nicks have a's in them, since somehow that makes it sound better |
| 22:29.17 | Stanzilla | no not as bad as he |
| 22:29.23 | Stanzilla | my priest is called after a world in the The Longest Journey game |
| 22:29.31 | Neffi | Before my currnet nick, I wrote a script to try and come up with every 4-5 letter word that would be pronouncable, filter out common words, and display the list to choose a name from |
| 22:29.42 | Gnarfoz | god that's the worst meta naming, from a popular player in the same game |
| 22:29.46 | Stanzilla | Neffi: do you know the internet? |
| 22:29.48 | nevcairiel | arcadia is also a place in doctor who |
| 22:29.58 | Neffi | Stanzilla: what's that? |
| 22:30.02 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: and a ship in resident evil etc.. |
| 22:30.04 | Gnarfoz | at least copy from some other universe/lore/franchise |
| 22:30.10 | Stanzilla | Neffi: there are TONS of name generator sites :D |
| 22:30.15 | Neffi | I prefer unique or uncommon names |
| 22:30.25 | nevcairiel | nevcairiel is from a middle-earth generator site. :P |
| 22:30.28 | Amarande | also apparently Arcadia gets reversed in Yu-Gi-Oh at some point, but I'm not sure exactly what they mean by that |
| 22:30.36 | Gnarfoz | Neffi: sounds like Wildstar's name reservation system would be great for you ;D |
| 22:30.43 | Gnarfoz | daaaaah |
| 22:30.44 | nevcairiel | buts its rather unique, some people stole it though, doubtful they came up with it on its own |
| 22:30.47 | Neffi | nevcairiel: but that names doesnt appear in any of Tolkien's writings at all |
| 22:30.51 | Gnarfoz | do you guys remember that german guild name generator |
| 22:30.56 | Amarande | since I still haven't actually played the story mode on my copy of YGO 2010 on my DS, as I'm still too piss-poor at the game to beat the "starter" opponents :P |
| 22:31.04 | Stanzilla | my paladin is a good example |
| 22:31.06 | nevcairiel | Neffi: its an actual generator, not a "spew out random name from the book" |
| 22:31.23 | Neffi | Ah. Also why I dont like name generators! |
| 22:31.27 | Stanzilla | a friends paladin was named "avisha" but she quit, I made "Navisha" as in "new avisha" |
| 22:31.32 | Stanzilla | SO CREATIVE |
| 22:31.35 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 22:31.38 | Gnarfoz | more like, foreveralone.jpg |
| 22:31.56 | Stanzilla | pff |
| 22:31.59 | Stanzilla | I liked the name |
| 22:32.37 | nevcairiel | a friend from the old days named her daughter like her character (yes, that way around, not the other way) |
| 22:32.47 | Stanzilla | warlock is the same as priest with a differen à, explained in RP as the evil twin! |
| 22:32.49 | Stanzilla | or sister |
| 22:33.09 | nevcairiel | thats just an excuse for being lazy |
| 22:33.13 | Stanzilla | yes :( |
| 22:33.14 | Neffi | My sister was going to be named after my mother's old pen-and-paper name. Was a cool name though |
| 22:33.17 | Gnarfoz | do it right, should have gone with Ãvìśhâ |
| 22:33.21 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 22:33.37 | nevcairiel | people are so stupid that do that. Oh my name is taken, i'll just make it ugly |
| 22:33.45 | Gnarfoz | at least that doesn't fly in Wildstar |
| 22:33.49 | Neffi | I do that D: |
| 22:34.04 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 22:34.30 | Gnarfoz | actually, the first person to use, say Ĺêgölãś could do that |
| 22:34.43 | Unkle | I went ahead and reserved my preferred name for Wildstar. |
| 22:34.47 | Gnarfoz | but that'd be reduced to all base-forms and that'd be what bocks the name |
| 22:34.50 | Gnarfoz | *blocks |
| 22:34.52 | Neffi | If Neffi was amiable to being modified by switching out letters, and still sounding as good, I probably wouldn't. But fuck being creative. I like my name. And when I kill somebody, I want them to know it was the one and only that killed them |
| 22:34.59 | Amarande | Gnarfoz, we call those "people who will never be invited to a guild or group" |
| 22:35.04 | Amarande | oh wait, you have me on ignore |
| 22:35.07 | Gnarfoz | so if you have a Ĺêgölãś on your server, that'd be the only Legolas variant |
| 22:35.15 | Gnarfoz | can't make a Legolás |
| 22:35.28 | nevcairiel | thats an interesting concept, i guess |
| 22:35.50 | Gnarfoz | I obviously just presented an edge case, the "normal" idea is the other way around, of course |
| 22:35.59 | Gnarfoz | Unkle: are you going to be Lunessa again |
| 22:36.26 | Gnarfoz | (or what it was, excuse me for knowing so little about such a swell guy ;) |
| 22:36.30 | Gnarfoz | OH that reminds me |
| 22:36.43 | Unkle | Gnarfoz: Pffft. I'm going to be Unkle. |
| 22:36.52 | Gnarfoz | new favourites? |
| 22:37.04 | Gnarfoz | or was it the other way around and you used Lunessa once when Unkle wasn't available |
| 22:37.15 | nevcairiel | great, wildstar uses ip-based account verification, do i have to do that everytime i get a new ip? |
| 22:37.18 | Unkle | Unkle was my handle long before Lunessa. I just couldn't get it in WoW or IRC for a long time. |
| 22:37.33 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: just the forums/account management |
| 22:37.38 | Gnarfoz | and yes. |
| 22:37.44 | nevcairiel | if i were active on the forums, i would hate that |
| 22:37.53 | Gnarfoz | they seem blissfully unaware that there's a large population of people with dynamic IPs |
| 22:37.55 | nevcairiel | i mean, at least i dont get a new ip every day anymore |
| 22:37.55 | Stanzilla | wow is the same |
| 22:37.55 | nevcairiel | but still |
| 22:37.57 | Stanzilla | well |
| 22:38.00 | Stanzilla | blizzard |
| 22:38.04 | Stanzilla | you always have to enter your auth code |
| 22:38.14 | Gnarfoz | unless you turn the option off? |
| 22:38.18 | nevcairiel | for account yes, but for forum i thought it works with a cookie |
| 22:38.21 | Gnarfoz | ^ |
| 22:38.23 | Unkle | There's an option for diabling that. |
| 22:38.30 | Gnarfoz | not for the account management afaik |
| 22:38.31 | Stanzilla | that cookie does not last veryx long though |
| 22:38.39 | Gnarfoz | should work for ~30 days |
| 22:38.54 | nevcairiel | anyone, saved my wildstar name as well, not like anyone is going to use it otherwise |
| 22:38.56 | Gnarfoz | also, if you're that lazy, just go to account management via the BDA, boom, you're logged in |
| 22:39.04 | Stanzilla | I don't remember, get a new IP vevery day anyway |
| 22:39.13 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: that does not work anymore |
| 22:39.17 | Gnarfoz | sure it does |
| 22:39.26 | Gnarfoz | unless they changed it... yesterday? |
| 22:39.35 | nevcairiel | worked for me right now |
| 22:39.39 | Stanzilla | oh then they fixed it |
| 22:39.41 | Amarande | nevcairiel: IP based authentication |
| 22:39.46 | Stanzilla | because I tried it a few months ago and it was broken |
| 22:39.51 | Unkle | I also reserved a guild name... just because. |
| 22:40.09 | Amarande | you mean like how Blizzard seems to have it that if you log on to bnet after an IP change, you often are forced to go through the whole security question/SMS code and password reset rigamarole because it doesn't trust that you're you? |
| 22:40.31 | Amarande | (which seems to royally piss off on the go and LAN party players because they have to like, reset their password all the bloody time) |
| 22:40.33 | nevcairiel | I get a new IP all the time, and i never had to do that :p |
| 22:40.54 | nevcairiel | but willdstar sent me a mail with a security code, thats just annoying |
| 22:41.05 | nevcairiel | steam also does that, but based on some sort of system id, and not IP |
| 22:41.09 | Amarande | I hear about it a lot on the boards. Seems to be tied to *drastic* IP changes especially (like, if you travel and play wow on your laptop, you seem to have to reset your password inordinately often) |
| 22:42.27 | Esamynn|work | I expect they added that feature due to hacked accounts being accessed primarily from a different continent |
| 22:42.39 | Stanzilla | kd3: another patch :o |
| 22:43.00 | Stanzilla | probably to fix that lua error |
| 22:43.01 | kd3 | saw the ptr build - no ui changes |
| 22:43.19 | Gnarfoz | Unkle: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+ChristianWiese/posts/CHG1uZhhr1P :D (also G+ needs shorter URIs) |
| 22:43.19 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 22:43.23 | Stanzilla | they pushed it for live, too |
| 22:44.05 | Unkle | Gnarfoz: Where is this glorious bounty? |
| 22:44.07 | Esamynn|work | does not understand the general obsession with short URIs |
| 22:44.38 | nevcairiel | thats not overly long, but try pasting a google maps location or something like that |
| 22:44.51 | Gnarfoz | Unkle: butcher's/deli/place-to-stuff-your-face I & coworkers go to some times for lunch |
| 22:44.54 | Esamynn|work | well yes, those are long ;) |
| 22:45.15 | Unkle | Esamynn|work: You don't use Twitter much, do you? |
| 22:45.27 | Esamynn|work | what's Twitter? |
| 22:45.28 | Gnarfoz | it's conveniently close to our datacenter |
| 22:45.33 | Unkle | Gnarfoz: They have an impressive display. |
| 22:45.38 | foxlit | Unkle: you don’t use Twitter much, do you? |
| 22:45.43 | Amarande | yeah, Google search links can get kind of grody |
| 22:45.45 | kd3 | twitter doesn't count long urls against you |
| 22:45.54 | Gnarfoz | we might or might not have made up reasons to go to the datacenter because of the menu at the place. :P |
| 22:45.59 | Unkle | foxlit: I use it daily. I don't 'tweet' much though. :P |
| 22:46.21 | Amarande | Esamynn: I imagine part of it comes from people who don't want to have to pay attention to the location of their mouse cursor while chatting on facebook :p |
| 22:46.30 | Amarande | now that this whole "zero chrome" trend seems to have taken over *every major browser* |
| 22:46.43 | Gnarfoz | Unkle: I'm scotch-illiterate, glad it's not some assortment of $4 bottles ;p |
| 22:46.51 | Amarande | (sigh, I remember when one of the beautiful points of firefox was the dedicated bottom bar, but apparently that's considered gauche design now) |
| 22:47.43 | Unkle | Gnarfoz: No, it most certainly is not. Some of those bottles would cost a distressing number of euro. |
| 22:48.43 | Gnarfoz | I'm not entirely surprised, after all, I live in Germany's "capital of millionaires" |
| 22:49.30 | Gnarfoz | (sadly, that's not a perk you get by just moving here :|) |
| 22:50.01 | Unkle | Has anyone compiled a spreadsheet of who is and isn't coming to BlizzCon 2014? |
| 22:50.46 | Gnarfoz | I should do my tax returns (for the last FOUR YEARS)... that might just give me enough money to go :D |
| 22:51.00 | foxlit | you’ve been evading taxes for four years? |
| 22:51.03 | Gnarfoz | I have until next week, basically :| |
| 22:51.05 | Kalroth | less tax more http://i.imgur.com/vO4DZ2m.gif |
| 22:51.14 | Amarande | but yeah, browser based chat programs have a lamentable problem with long urls :( |
| 22:51.21 | Amarande | largely because of the zero chrome trend |
| 22:51.30 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: tax returns, not... does any country's tax system even work the way you're implying |
| 22:51.43 | Amarande | it's why I had the sads when I went back to firefox and found out that 29+ do the same thing as chrome with the no fixed bottom bar |
| 22:52.27 | foxlit | possibly. the FOUR YEARS part seems very strange. |
| 22:52.27 | Amarande | well, here in the USA, if you fail to file a tax return when required, it's at least going to trigger heads at the tax office |
| 22:52.54 | Gnarfoz | nah, that's just the maximum possible in my situation |
| 22:53.00 | Amarande | if you owe something, then you're a dirty tax evader ... if you don't owe anything, I suppose you don't go to jail, but you'll probably have to deal with an audit, and you'll forfeit any refund you were owed |
| 22:53.11 | Amarande | most people in the USA like to file taxes because most folks in the USA are due a refund, and you don't get it if you don't file |
| 22:53.23 | Gnarfoz | tax returns are not mandatory in Germany except for {long list of rules} |
| 22:53.41 | Amarande | also on this topic, the USA practised torture even before the whole Guantanamo row ... it's called a 'tax audit' heh |
| 22:53.59 | Gnarfoz | they aren't for me, but if you do file them for previous years, you can only go back up to 4 |
| 22:54.18 | Unkle | Ok, I'm out. See you guys tomorrow. |
| 22:54.22 | Gnarfoz | bye =D |
| 22:54.52 | Gnarfoz | (which, incidentally, is also the year I started at this job/my first "real" one where doing taxes makes sense) |
| 22:59.50 | Esamynn|work | the more I learn about the USA tax system and the craziness the average citizen goes through the more I cringe |
| 23:00.02 | nevcairiel | do you expect to get much money back doing your taxes now? if so, why not doing it before? :p |
| 23:01.11 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: in the spirit of earlier topics: pro-cras-ti-nayyy-shun |
| 23:01.17 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 23:01.28 | nevcairiel | i'll have to do them next year |
| 23:01.31 | Amarande | Esamynn: for the most part it's fairly simple, at least if you're the average working classer who ends up with a 1040EZ |
| 23:01.44 | Amarande | it can be a pain in the ass if you're married with children and house and all that, I suppose |
| 23:01.54 | Gnarfoz | and yes, I should get a fair bit; I even did the 2010 one once before, but never sent it in |
| 23:02.05 | Amarande | for me, the most tedious part is gathering up records of all my out of state purchases that I didn't pay sufficient sales tax on, so I can pay state use tax |
| 23:02.16 | Esamynn|work | ... |
| 23:02.18 | Esamynn|work | WTF |
| 23:02.24 | nevcairiel | once you send one, the procastination is over for ever though |
| 23:02.28 | Gnarfoz | yep |
| 23:02.36 | Amarande | federal filing is super quick (especially since H&R Block online carries over most of the personal and employer data from last year's automatically, so I only have to enter a few figures) |
| 23:02.37 | Gnarfoz | although that's not what kept me |
| 23:03.10 | Amarande | (the "use tax" thing is a state, not a federal thing) |
| 23:03.32 | nevcairiel | I doubt I would've gotten any money doing them for the last couple years, company did all the income tax handling and balancing at the end of the year, and I didn't really have any expenses that I could apply against it |
| 23:03.35 | Gnarfoz | for some of the things where you can either claim a flat amount (what's "Pauschale" in English?) or a specific amount, I wanted to check how many receipts/invoices I had to see if that might possibly be more than the flat amount |
| 23:03.46 | Gnarfoz | guess what, I never looked :P |
| 23:04.08 | Esamynn|work | Amarande: assuming you use software to file... how long would you spend filing your taxes for both state and federal combined? |
| 23:05.19 | Gnarfoz | hm, since I set up postgrey this morning, only two mails went through, one ham, one spam :D |
| 23:05.48 | nevcairiel | i'll leave taxes to worry about until next year, I paid my first batch of income tax just yesterday, so i'm good until end of Q3 |
| 23:06.07 | Gnarfoz | I should exempt my family's addresses from greylisting (something to do while not getting shit done at work tomorrow, I suppose) |
| 23:06.12 | Amarande | Esamynn: doesn't really take more than 30-60 minutes or so |
| 23:06.28 | Amarande | most of it is spent poring over credit card YES's to figure out which purchases tax is still owed on |
| 23:06.41 | Amarande | basically, states (except for the two that don't have sales tax at all) have this thing called 'use tax' |
| 23:07.02 | Amarande | it's apparently designed to protect state revenue against losses from everyone buying everything online from california, heh |
| 23:07.09 | Esamynn|work | O_o |
| 23:07.13 | Esamynn|work | again... WTF |
| 23:07.32 | Amarande | (standard non-lawyer disclaimer, but it works like this basically) |
| 23:07.40 | Gnarfoz | this could also mean I can get rid of my local spamfilter |
| 23:07.42 | Esamynn|work | also... 20 minutes this year, mainly because it was my first time doing it myself |
| 23:07.45 | Amarande | if you buy something out of your home state, for use in your home state |
| 23:08.01 | Amarande | and you DID NOT pay AT LEAST as much sales tax on it there as you would have back home |
| 23:08.04 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: mail servers are too complicated <.< |
| 23:08.06 | Amarande | you owe the difference as use tax |
| 23:08.08 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I hate them |
| 23:08.15 | nevcairiel | or well, the entire chain of mail related shit |
| 23:08.20 | Esamynn|work | Amarande: that's ridiculous |
| 23:08.22 | Gnarfoz | I hate myself for wanting to save 30 €/year |
| 23:08.34 | Amarande | the tax you already paid, even if it's to another state, credits against it, so if you paid at least as much sales tax as you'd have paid back home, you're off the hook |
| 23:08.35 | nevcairiel | you need like 10 different products working together to get a proper mail setup |
| 23:08.53 | Amarande | (except for cars, which follow a different rule ... buy a car out of state and you have to re-pay the sales tax to be able to register it even if you already paid sales tax when you bought it, at least for CT) |
| 23:09.16 | Gnarfoz | properly working: just two, but... properly working and not stupid amount of spam... at least 3 ;) |
| 23:09.23 | Amarande | thankfully I don't really have to pay it on all that much stuff most of the time anymore |
| 23:09.46 | Gnarfoz | heh, actually, if you're using Courier, you could save 1, because there's Courier-MTA |
| 23:09.50 | Esamynn|work | given a few years of experience, I bet I could file my taxes in 10 minutes flat |
| 23:09.52 | Gnarfoz | so no need for Postfix |
| 23:09.56 | Amarande | because 1) a lot of etailers charge your state's sales tax now anyway, and 2) if I buy brick and mortar out of state, it has a tendency to be in a state where tax is higher |
| 23:09.58 | nevcairiel | i have a "simple" setup with postfix and amavisd+spamassassin+clamd and dovecot for imap, and that already drove me mad |
| 23:10.10 | Amarande | but I still gotta go through the records at tax time to check what needs to be paid |
| 23:10.18 | Gnarfoz | I just have postfix and dovecot and postgrey right now |
| 23:10.43 | Esamynn|work | Amarande: which is _ridiculous_ |
| 23:10.48 | Gnarfoz | although you could use the greylist.pl that comes with postfix (for lower performance) |
| 23:10.54 | Amarande | Esamynn: hey, on the bright side, at least we don't have 20%+ tax on everything we buy like you guys do with VAT :) |
| 23:11.10 | Torhal | Esamynn|work: This is why Amarande is the only person I've ever heard of who actually does it. |
| 23:11.13 | Esamynn|work | 20%? you think I'm in the EU? |
| 23:12.01 | nevcairiel | at least with VAT we largely never have to bother with it, any price we see includes VAT so we barely think about it at all, makes for simpler life |
| 23:12.20 | Gnarfoz | 20% what? :\ now I'm curious |
| 23:12.22 | nevcairiel | (in before nit-picking, not any price, but 99%) |
| 23:12.51 | Torhal | Is the IRS going to go to every retail website in existence and demand records from them just on the off-chance that I bought from them? Oh, wait, no...this is a STATE thing. |
| 23:13.02 | Esamynn|work | I'd totally get on board with that, assuming you also knew how much VAT you paid, but Canada uses the same convention of the US where sales tax is added at the til |
| 23:13.04 | Esamynn|work | till* |
| 23:13.32 | nevcairiel | the VAT we pay is typically on the bills or receipts |
| 23:13.46 | Gnarfoz | nit-picking: all prices private consumers see (in Germany) have to be "after applicable taxes" (which is VAT at either 19% or 7% or 0% in most cases) |
| 23:13.46 | nevcairiel | plus, its generally 19% except for some key products where its 7% (and those are a small group) |
| 23:14.24 | nevcairiel | which products are 0%? |
| 23:14.40 | Gnarfoz | good question, I thought there were some |
| 23:14.44 | kd3 | food? |
| 23:14.48 | Gnarfoz | certainly not |
| 23:14.49 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 23:14.50 | Esamynn|work | food? |
| 23:15.03 | Gnarfoz | spring water is one of those with 7% I think |
| 23:15.07 | Torhal | Food is tax-exempt in some states. |
| 23:15.10 | nevcairiel | essential food is 7%, anything else is 19% |
| 23:15.17 | Torhal | In Alabama, where I currently reside, it is not. |
| 23:15.19 | Gnarfoz | I don't even want to know :D |
| 23:15.20 | Esamynn|work | food is tax free here, basic food anyways |
| 23:15.37 | kd3 | food's only 3% here, normal sales tax is 7% in my county |
| 23:15.46 | Torhal | In Kentucky, where I lived previously, food was tax-exempt unless it was prepared. |
| 23:15.57 | Torhal | In Ohio, where I was raised, same. |
| 23:15.58 | Gnarfoz | that's an almost-reasonable way of doing it |
| 23:16.04 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:16.13 | nevcairiel | we have weird regulations |
| 23:16.15 | Esamynn|work | VATs are a perfectly legitimate way to tax. since there are often exceptions for the true necessities they tend to hit you more as you are better off |
| 23:16.19 | Amarande | nevcairiel: yeah, I really wish prices would be quoted with sales tax in the US, too |
| 23:16.24 | Gnarfoz | at least to my ears, which, of course, were raised in a different tax system |
| 23:16.26 | nevcairiel | fresh vegetables are 7%, juice out of those is 19% however |
| 23:16.29 | Amarande | the problem is that the regulations make that more or less impractical |
| 23:16.42 | Amarande | because even if you do quote the price with tax, usually you're forced to quote the pre-tax price as well |
| 23:16.49 | kd3 | it wouldn't be so bad if every county and city didn't have their own tax rate |
| 23:16.56 | kd3 | and state, for that matter... |
| 23:16.59 | Amarande | and in some retail industries you have to also give a unit price on every item |
| 23:16.59 | Esamynn|work | hahaha |
| 23:17.13 | Gnarfoz | brrr google |
| 23:17.17 | Amarande | and price tag machines tend to have space for two prices, so they have to be the unit price and the regular retail, no room for post-tax |
| 23:17.27 | Gnarfoz | why does "ust" give me university of the holy tomato |
| 23:17.32 | Gnarfoz | instead of what I'm looking for |
| 23:17.39 | nevcairiel | use mwst? |
| 23:17.43 | Gnarfoz | but that's INCORRECT |
| 23:17.46 | Gnarfoz | (and you know it) |
| 23:17.48 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:17.56 | kd3 | unresolved sexual tension? |
| 23:18.05 | nevcairiel | but its a very common error, so likely to result in results |
| 23:18.08 | foxlit | your google search results are a reflection of your soul. |
| 23:18.10 | Gnarfoz | I know I know |
| 23:18.20 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~Karl@61.116.96.58.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 23:18.25 | foxlit | hi kd3. |
| 23:18.28 | Torhal | Unimpeded Seppuku Triage |
| 23:18.38 | kd3 | eh, that's because I spend too much time on tvtropes |
| 23:18.55 | Esamynn|work | the fact that states even TRY things like a "use tax" boggles my mind |
| 23:19.08 | Torhal | Esamynn|work: Like I said, that's largely ignored. |
| 23:19.16 | nevcairiel | Esamynn|work: they want the moneyz |
| 23:19.16 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: the weird part is, dewiki's MWSt article is not just a redirect to the USt article |
| 23:19.31 | Torhal | I'm not a business; I shouldn't have to treat out-of-state purchases as though I am and buying from wholesalers. |
| 23:19.37 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: both terms have their justification if used properly, i guess |
| 23:19.50 | Esamynn|work | so... they should... HEAVEN FORBIDE, raise taxes they can actually collect |
| 23:19.59 | Gnarfoz | instead, it explains - in a brain-knotting paragraph - why both terms are ok, and how they apply to the situation in Germany. ARRGH |
| 23:20.03 | Esamynn|work | or maybe, even more unthinkable.. close the stupid loopholes |
| 23:20.17 | kd3 | raise taxes? hahaha, not with the tea partiers making noise |
| 23:20.37 | nevcairiel | i'm just happy I don't have to charge USt to my american customer |
| 23:20.42 | nevcairiel | makes for much easier tax handling |
| 23:21.04 | kd3 | which reminds me, the polls should be closed here. let's see if the tea partier trying for the senate got nuked |
| 23:22.13 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: but only if your customer is a company |
| 23:22.32 | Esamynn|work | out of curiosity, do you have to file your federal and state taxes separately? |
| 23:22.45 | Gnarfoz | us germanz? |
| 23:22.55 | Esamynn|work | anyone to cares to comment |
| 23:22.57 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
| 23:23.02 | kd3 | yes. we have separate returns for state and federal |
| 23:23.05 | Esamynn|work | who* cares to |
| 23:23.06 | nevcairiel | we dont |
| 23:23.08 | Gnarfoz | (no, we don't) |
| 23:23.17 | Esamynn|work | also does not |
| 23:23.22 | kd3 | generally, tax prep software should be able to copy over most of the info from one to the other |
| 23:23.24 | nevcairiel | we just pay federal, and it gets redistributed to the states after, or something |
| 23:23.49 | Esamynn|work | Revenue Canada handles the work for both federal and for each province |
| 23:23.49 | Gnarfoz | they deal with it themselves, it's the least they can do with all the money |
| 23:23.50 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:23.57 | nevcairiel | but our states are also not as independent as US states |
| 23:24.05 | Gnarfoz | by far, yeah |
| 23:24.22 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: also, why would that change if my customer is a person |
| 23:24.33 | Esamynn|work | US never actually agreed to be one country... they're just 50 individual yahoos that agreed to work togeather a long time ago |
| 23:24.38 | nevcairiel | as long as I'm not actually shipping any goods but just offer my work services.. |
| 23:24.41 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: ask whoever wrote the law |
| 23:25.20 | nevcairiel | I never saw anything like that in the law |
| 23:25.22 | Esamynn|work | sorry, let me rephrase: they're just 50 individual nations who agreed on a common "king" |
| 23:25.28 | kd3 | (fun fact: until the civil war, most people living in the states identified by their state first, rather than as an american) |
| 23:25.32 | nevcairiel | I can't apply VAT to non-EU customers |
| 23:26.00 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: yet, that's what this page says (I hope they're not made up but based on the law :P) http://www.billomat.com/de/blog/was-es-zu-beachten-gibt-rechnungen-ins-ausland/ |
| 23:26.02 | Arrowmaster | theres a lot of stupid bullshit because of how independent us states are |
| 23:26.27 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: weird |
| 23:26.32 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: maybe it's a misunderstanding of mine and "MwSt ausweisen" doesn't mean what I think it means |
| 23:26.34 | nevcairiel | oh well, not like thats going to happen |
| 23:26.47 | Gnarfoz | which, seeing that it's legalese, might well be |
| 23:26.48 | Simca_ | Is there any way to know if an Animation exists or not for a particular model? |
| 23:27.08 | Simca_ | in-game I mean. I know the presence of a .anim file for that animationID is obvious externally |
| 23:27.09 | Amarande | yeah, sadly legalese doesn't always mean what it means to us lay people :( |
| 23:27.32 | Amarande | otherwise, DeCSS would actually not be subject to suppression anymore, based on a logical reading of the DMCA rule heh |
| 23:28.03 | Amarande | (after all, it does say measures that "effectively control access" ... DeCSS shows that it's not very effective, doesn't it? Pity that's apparently not what they mean by effectively LOL) |
| 23:28.48 | nevcairiel | by that rule any protection that gets broken is immediately ineffective, which means you just need to break it to make breaking it legal, which would be weird |
| 23:28.53 | Gnarfoz | Seerah: much late, very reply: I was alluding to the fact that, weirdly, "Vogel" (which is "bird") is pronounced as if it was spelled "Fogel" (or, differently put, "v" can be both the voiced and voiceless "f" sound) |
| 23:29.36 | Gnarfoz | (is the counterpart to "voiceless" "voiced" in this context?) |
| 23:29.56 | nevcairiel | voiceless sounds like an odd word |
| 23:30.07 | Simca_ | mute |
| 23:30.23 | nevcairiel | its apparently the correct word though |
| 23:30.29 | Simca_ | odd |
| 23:30.33 | Mr_Rabies | http://puu.sh/8TWx9.jpg |
| 23:30.34 | Mr_Rabies | oh |
| 23:30.36 | Mr_Rabies | oh, okay |
| 23:30.39 | Mr_Rabies | that makes sense |
| 23:30.45 | Gnarfoz | look at my horse, Mr_Rabies |
| 23:31.02 | kd3 | I'm still amused at the news sites all going with a horribly-translated-from-the-french news post this morning |
| 23:31.13 | nevcairiel | the weird thing about being a native speaker is that you've never really learned all the rules that make up your language, not like you have for foreign languages |
| 23:31.18 | nevcairiel | it just comes naturally to you |
| 23:31.27 | nevcairiel | so trying to explain it to someone else... is hard |
| 23:31.55 | Gnarfoz | somewhat depends on the state, but yes, a lot of stuff is left out |
| 23:32.17 | nevcairiel | bavarians have to teach more rules of course, since they dont speak proper german |
| 23:32.25 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:32.33 | Gnarfoz | paging Stanzilla |
| 23:32.40 | Stanzilla | wat |
| 23:32.43 | Stanzilla | oida |
| 23:32.51 | Simca_ | kd3: not much choice in the news business, but not all horribly-translated, i found a french person |
| 23:33.07 | nevcairiel | I think i only heard him say a couple sentences in a raid once, not enough to judge if he talks funny |
| 23:33.09 | Stanzilla | I'm accent free! |
| 23:33.19 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I think it's also a problem of your first language being taught in the very low grades, where trying to teach grammar at a high, conceptual level, isn't really viable |
| 23:33.38 | Gnarfoz | yeah, he's inconspicuous |
| 23:33.52 | Esamynn|work | ~fishslap Stanzilla |
| 23:33.52 | purl | ACTION slaps Stanzilla up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 23:33.54 | Stanzilla | and accent free |
| 23:33.54 | Gnarfoz | could be from Hannover for all I know |
| 23:34.13 | nevcairiel | I have a slight hamburg accent, i'm told |
| 23:34.24 | Stanzilla | fischkopp :( |
| 23:34.52 | nevcairiel | its not all that distinctive really |
| 23:35.18 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I raged when we stopped learning German in German class and supplanted it with reading books, discoursing about them, and all that crap (in grade 8) |
| 23:35.34 | nevcairiel | even worse, we did that in english class too |
| 23:35.37 | Gnarfoz | of course |
| 23:35.40 | Stanzilla | indeed |
| 23:35.54 | nevcairiel | they should teach more then basic english, like maybe business english or something like that |
| 23:35.56 | nevcairiel | but shrug |
| 23:36.00 | Gnarfoz | !!!~ |
| 23:36.19 | nevcairiel | should combine this literature thing into its own class maybe |
| 23:36.27 | nevcairiel | but noo |
| 23:36.29 | Stanzilla | and drop it |
| 23:36.33 | Gnarfoz | in both cases, there were more than enough pupils left who could have dramatically improved |
| 23:36.44 | Gnarfoz | yeah, split it off first... then get rid of it |
| 23:36.45 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:37.19 | nevcairiel | At least for english I've questioned this all along, for german it felt like it was just always this way, so meh |
| 23:37.22 | Gnarfoz | we even did that in Latin, for fuck's sake |
| 23:37.36 | Stanzilla | god, I hated latin |
| 23:37.37 | nevcairiel | I dropped the third language too soon to get to that phase |
| 23:37.41 | Stanzilla | worst fucking language ever |
| 23:37.42 | nevcairiel | and I had french at that |
| 23:38.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Seerah (~RyanNL@adsl-74-242-165-58.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 23:38.27 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 23:38.30 | Gnarfoz | and ancient Greek, too - no idea how we were supposed to be at a skill level after 1.5 years, where doing this instead of learning more of the language would have made sense |
| 23:39.00 | Gnarfoz | oh, Seerah wasn't even here when I wrote that message :D |
| 23:39.33 | Seerah | what message? |
| 23:39.34 | Gnarfoz | [01:28:47] <Gnarfoz> Seerah: much late, very reply: I was alluding to the fact that, weirdly, "Vogel" (which is "bird") is pronounced as if it was spelled "Fogel" (or, differently put, "v" can be both the voiced and voiceless "f" sound) |
| 23:39.34 | nevcairiel | for english i took the matter into my own hands and had a language-vacation thing in england for 4 weeks in some summer holidays |
| 23:39.47 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: similar here |
| 23:39.54 | Seerah | ahhh |
| 23:41.13 | Gnarfoz | two week thing, did it twice, though; I had switched over to reading english books and watching english movies/shows and generally conversing in english on the internet by then anyway, so I was already improving on my own |
| 23:41.40 | Gnarfoz | (did it twice because it was fun) |
| 23:41.50 | nevcairiel | I started my english reading and watching after that pretty much |
| 23:42.07 | Gnarfoz | also, student exchange Bristol, student exchange Portland, OR; and of course... http://geektour.de :D |
| 23:42.15 | Gnarfoz | oh :( |
| 23:42.23 | Gnarfoz | I forgot, I made that a redirect to tumblr |
| 23:42.31 | nevcairiel | at some point the teachers noticed that my english was much better than most of the others in the class and I was their fallback guy for any questions that remained unanswered <.< |
| 23:42.37 | *** join/#wowuidev alestane (~nevin@c-174-63-97-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 23:42.37 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 23:42.52 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I know that feel |
| 23:42.54 | nevcairiel | just because i taught myself |
| 23:42.57 | nevcairiel | no thanks to them |
| 23:43.18 | Gnarfoz | I'm a Gymnasium dropout, though, because I couldn't be arsed |
| 23:44.03 | nevcairiel | I told my ethics teacher once that his class was pointless, which kinda resulted in me having to take that year again (since I also had that guy in german, go figure), but i finished! |
| 23:44.04 | Gnarfoz | English LK... written/tests: 15/15 points, oral: 01/15 |
| 23:44.14 | Gnarfoz | because: not being there, I couldn't really contribute. |
| 23:44.37 | Gnarfoz | I'm amazed I showed up for the tests |
| 23:44.42 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 23:44.52 | nevcairiel | missing tests was like a federal offence |
| 23:45.18 | nevcairiel | but yeah going to some classes was hard |
| 23:45.22 | Gnarfoz | I was 18 in grade 11 because I had repeated grade 9, so I could just excuse myself anyway (not a great idea, but legally...) |
| 23:45.50 | Gnarfoz | I have no idea how similar Hamburg's school system is to Niedersachsen's |
| 23:45.55 | nevcairiel | i was in nds |
| 23:45.58 | Gnarfoz | oh well |
| 23:46.02 | Gnarfoz | then everything makes sense |
| 23:46.03 | nevcairiel | i moved to hamburg only after |
| 23:47.00 | Gnarfoz | ironically, missing tests can't have been literally a federal offence, since education is state business :D |
| 23:47.33 | nevcairiel | you know what i mean, it was like the worst thing you could pull without an actual proper excuse (like being terminally ill) :P |
| 23:47.53 | Gnarfoz | yeah, just making fun of course |
| 23:48.44 | Gnarfoz | for all my grammar nazi-ing IRL today, I doubt any victim would guess I had to repeat grade 9 because of Latin and German, the very subjects that planted the seed for it |
| 23:49.32 | Gnarfoz | or maybe it's just a matter of having (to some degree) learned 4 languages that caused it |
| 23:51.44 | Stanzilla | gymnasium drop outs, highfive! |
| 23:52.34 | nevcairiel | i finished gym but instead I have a few word/grammar issues that noone will ever be able to fix! |
| 23:52.39 | nevcairiel | likes einzigste |
| 23:52.46 | Stanzilla | haha |
| 23:52.49 | Gnarfoz | I wonder if either of my two (wait, 3... I guess the grade-12-for-8-months one doesn't really count) classes already had a class reunion thing |
| 23:52.54 | Stanzilla | I'm das/dass derp sometimes |
| 23:53.05 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: thats at least only written |
| 23:53.21 | Stanzilla | einzigste is kinda normal in bavaria, too |
| 23:53.25 | Gnarfoz | my biggest problem is this: what's class reunion in German |
| 23:53.25 | Stanzilla | so I say that sometimes |
| 23:53.33 | Stanzilla | klassentreffen |
| 23:53.38 | Gnarfoz | right |
| 23:53.45 | Gnarfoz | is there one specific to Abiturienten tho |
| 23:53.52 | Gnarfoz | Jahrgangstreffen? |
| 23:53.55 | Gnarfoz | something |
| 23:54.01 | Neffi | such an elegant language |
| 23:54.03 | Stanzilla | jahrgangstufentreffen :D |
| 23:54.08 | nevcairiel | my whole school has an Ehemaligentreffen on the same date every year |
| 23:54.10 | nevcairiel | but i never went |
| 23:54.13 | Gnarfoz | Ehemaligentreffen! |
| 23:54.23 | Gnarfoz | that's along the lines I was thinking |
| 23:54.31 | Gnarfoz | anyway, I keep forgetting German vocabulary |
| 23:54.37 | Stanzilla | https://scontent-b-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t31.0-8/10295112_719415214766377_2444616317045261416_o.jpg < so close |
| 23:54.38 | nevcairiel | my jahrgang was kinda banned from the school after the fact as we apparently wrote some not so nice thing in our abi-zeitung |
| 23:54.51 | Stanzilla | haha |
| 23:54.53 | Gnarfoz | I know an appropriate English word many times, but the spot-on German one eludes me |
| 23:54.59 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: same problem |
| 23:55.13 | Stanzilla | yeah same here |
| 23:55.22 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: probably a Rammstein fan |
| 23:55.34 | nevcairiel | I had to hear about that ban over 3 different people or so though, as when it was created I was already in the military .p |
| 23:55.38 | Gnarfoz | (the FPS player there) |
| 23:55.47 | Stanzilla | https://scontent-b-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t31.0-8/10256141_719411204766778_7073682315291166516_o.jpg |
| 23:55.51 | Stanzilla | kinda neat :D |
| 23:56.09 | nevcairiel | whats that, new wolfenstein? |
| 23:56.12 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 23:56.29 | Gnarfoz | wouldn't that be Hauptftadtmädelf, though |
| 23:56.37 | Gnarfoz | (yeah I'm too lazy to grab the long-s glyph) |
| 23:56.43 | nevcairiel | yeah its not classical german s |
| 23:56.51 | Stanzilla | yup |
| 23:57.15 | Gnarfoz | such a weird thing, looking back |
| 23:57.24 | Gnarfoz | but, ancient Greek had crap like that, too :D |
| 23:57.31 | nevcairiel | german letters were kidna weird |
| 23:57.33 | Gnarfoz | different s in the middle vs. end of word |
| 23:58.09 | Gnarfoz | oh, it would only have been Hauptftadtmädels |
| 23:58.15 | Gnarfoz | WHATEVER |
| 23:58.43 | Gnarfoz | the only real takeaway from knowing about long-s is knowing where ß came from |
| 23:58.46 | nevcairiel | in any case, historically inaccurate! |
| 23:59.01 | nevcairiel | silly ß |
| 23:59.22 | Stanzilla | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t31.0-8/10403804_719410491433516_7970578390021753295_o.jpg |
| 23:59.30 | Stanzilla | I think they just used a caps only font for everything |
| 23:59.44 | nevcairiel | that poster makes me thinkg of iron sky |
| 23:59.49 | nevcairiel | -g |
| 23:59.50 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 23:59.55 | Gnarfoz | eek |
