| 00:00.03 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: im not doing it wrong this is a common complaint |
| 00:00.05 | Gnarfoz | the "push through and turn" ones still exist, and work fine |
| 00:00.09 | jleclanche | right |
| 00:00.17 | Arrowmaster | ive always bought heatsinks that have a bracket that mounts on the board first |
| 00:00.18 | Gnarfoz | only because people are dumb, apparently :P |
| 00:00.46 | Gnarfoz | I only used the boxed cooler for a week or so, it was horrible :D |
| 00:01.01 | Gnarfoz | (which I knew, I just ordered my H80 too late) |
| 00:01.08 | Arrowmaster | i bought a zalman for my 920 but i bought the wrong one |
| 00:01.21 | Gnarfoz | haha |
| 00:01.35 | Arrowmaster | got a super quiet one that wasnt strong enough for how hot it gets here without AC |
| 00:01.43 | A-KO | Godzilla was so awesome |
| 00:01.55 | jleclanche | alright well thanks. total cost £426 which is much lower than i anticipated |
| 00:03.25 | jleclanche | I guess I need a new case then |
| 00:03.43 | jleclanche | Ive been tempted by these http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CC-9011030-WW-Performance-Windowed-Computer/dp/B00D6GINF4/ |
| 00:04.50 | Gnarfoz | read some reviews, is all I can say =o |
| 00:05.23 | jleclanche | Ive been reading reviews for it for several weeks :P |
| 00:06.15 | Gnarfoz | well, that's good \o/ |
| 00:06.51 | jleclanche | I still need to figure out what to do with the psu. I will need a new one but I dont know whether to use my current one or a new one for my build. |
| 00:07.32 | Gnarfoz | that's a confusing statement... you know you will need a new one but are still considering your old one? |
| 00:08.04 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: remember I said I intend to split my computer into a separate server and a work/gaming rig? I dont know what psu to use for the server |
| 00:08.08 | Gnarfoz | ah |
| 00:08.10 | jleclanche | either my current one, or a new one I will buy |
| 00:08.44 | jleclanche | to be clearer, I dont know whether to buy a new psu for the server or for the rig. |
| 00:09.26 | Arrowmaster | where there any new mobile cpus with the haswell refrsh? |
| 00:09.39 | jleclanche | I think I'll buy a new one for the rig on the sole basis of having a spare available for either |
| 00:10.03 | jleclanche | buying a dedicated low power psu would leave me without options if my main one broke |
| 00:10.43 | jleclanche | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2014/may/wodKeybinds.jpg |
| 00:10.44 | jleclanche | WHATFINALLY |
| 00:10.51 | Gnarfoz | also, getting a very power-efficient one might save a little on power costs for the server, which will be running 24/7 |
| 00:11.18 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: that was my logic as well. |
| 00:11.24 | Arrowmaster | i really really want this thinkpad x1 carbon with a 14.0” WQHD (2560x1440) 300nit IPS WWAN screen but i would need a more powerful gpu to be able to run any basic games on it |
| 00:12.07 | Mr_Rabies | honestly jleclanche, they should just merge the interface options, video settings, and keybindings into one tabbed menu screen now that they've done that |
| 00:12.10 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: what is "very power efficient" though? just lower wattage or is there any psu thats dedicated for this sort of use case? |
| 00:12.18 | Gnarfoz | 80+ badges |
| 00:12.23 | Gnarfoz | gold, platin, whatever |
| 00:12.45 | Arrowmaster | gold should be common enough now |
| 00:12.55 | Gnarfoz | and yes, not overshooting the target by miles would probably help, too |
| 00:13.30 | Gnarfoz | don't ask me for a big table on "what power draw is this PSU most efficient at", though ;D |
| 00:13.34 | jleclanche | my current psu is 80plus |
| 00:13.38 | jleclanche | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139004 |
| 00:13.42 | Gnarfoz | 80+ "what" ;) |
| 00:13.46 | Gnarfoz | 80+ is just the program |
| 00:13.49 | jleclanche | who the f knows |
| 00:13.55 | Gnarfoz | badge should be coloured |
| 00:14.01 | Gnarfoz | mhhh. |
| 00:14.20 | jleclanche | I dont see a badge |
| 00:14.24 | jleclanche | it just says 80 plus |
| 00:14.27 | Arrowmaster | thats an old psu |
| 00:14.31 | jleclanche | yes it is old |
| 00:14.46 | Arrowmaster | now there is better than 80plus where they give it a color too |
| 00:15.00 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it's the 550W model of which I have the 650W one in aforementioned old CM case, I think ;o |
| 00:15.15 | Gnarfoz | and yes, it's from when 80+ didn't have "levels" |
| 00:15.19 | Gnarfoz | bleh, :D |
| 00:15.28 | jleclanche | so what do you think, keep this for a gaming rig or stuff it in the server? |
| 00:15.51 | jleclanche | or buy a 350w and a 750w and keep this as a spare :/ but meh |
| 00:15.57 | Simca_ | jleclanche: in-game addon list is best part. Blizz basically added their own version of http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info17869-AddonControlPanel.html |
| 00:16.12 | jleclanche | Simca_: yeah good stuff |
| 00:16.19 | Gnarfoz | Simca_: which is great |
| 00:16.24 | Simca_ | where you can enable out of date addons and turn on/off addons, save different addon configs |
| 00:16.37 | Kesava | (guys what does "CR" mean) |
| 00:16.42 | Gnarfoz | in what context |
| 00:16.47 | Kesava | RBGs |
| 00:16.52 | Gnarfoz | RBGs? |
| 00:16.53 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:16.58 | jleclanche | chris roberts |
| 00:17.02 | Gnarfoz | rated battlegrounds? |
| 00:17.16 | Gnarfoz | probably C Rating but I have no idea what C would be |
| 00:17.17 | Kesava | yes |
| 00:17.22 | Kesava | indeed |
| 00:17.26 | jleclanche | current rating? |
| 00:17.31 | Gnarfoz | possibly? |
| 00:17.34 | Kesava | people say "2k+ CR" or whatever |
| 00:17.38 | Kesava | but i have no idea |
| 00:17.39 | Kesava | maybe |
| 00:17.42 | Gnarfoz | they're probably just being idiots |
| 00:17.44 | Simca_ | yeah probably then |
| 00:17.58 | Simca_ | biggest problem with ACP is it caused massive taint, so a secure version of that will be great |
| 00:18.01 | Gnarfoz | there was a period when people called arena ratings "live ratings" on german realms |
| 00:18.05 | Stanzilla | classified retard |
| 00:18.08 | Gnarfoz | no idea where that came from |
| 00:18.16 | Gnarfoz | Simca_: uhh... what |
| 00:18.22 | Gnarfoz | you better have proof for such wild claims :p |
| 00:18.26 | jleclanche | there was a time where heroics were called "hardcore" |
| 00:18.41 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: you mean today? :> "HC" is still the go-to abbreviation for that |
| 00:18.53 | Simca_ | Gnarfoz: if you reloaded in combat with it enabled, free taint to all your raid-based addons |
| 00:19.00 | jleclanche | yeah but at least hc can still be an abbreviation of heroic |
| 00:19.01 | Gnarfoz | Simca_: and your proof that it's ACP? |
| 00:19.09 | Gnarfoz | paging foxlit! :D |
| 00:19.46 | Simca_ | that it didn't happen with ACP disabled >.> |
| 00:19.58 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster Gnarfoz: thoughts on the psu? =) |
| 00:20.35 | Gnarfoz | blizz has been slacking off on the "adopt great addons into the base UI", though, good to see they're doing some of that again |
| 00:20.36 | Simca_ | I always assumed it was unavoidable because of what it does |
| 00:21.09 | Simca_ | trying to dicate what addons are being loaded in combat |
| 00:21.28 | Gnarfoz | I don't see how "raid addons" (that also needs more precision, specific things get tainted, not broad types of addons) would be affected by ACP, but that's the nature of taint in this system: it's very hard to trace |
| 00:22.21 | Simca_ | anything based on raid unit frames mainly |
| 00:22.33 | Gnarfoz | "raid unitframes" are just unitframes |
| 00:22.45 | Simca_ | vuhdo, parts of dominos, etc |
| 00:22.56 | Simca_ | yeah I only tested it in raids because I don't reload my UI in combat elsewhere |
| 00:23.22 | Simca_ | i.e. game crashes, log back in, still in a raid fight, UI is fuckt, reload UI, taint |
| 00:23.23 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: really? no idea. what GPU are you getting? what kind of power will it eat at max? |
| 00:23.42 | Gnarfoz | Simca_: that sounds more like a problem of those addons not being able to handle logging in in combat |
| 00:23.55 | Gnarfoz | (which doesn't surprise anyone in here, probably) |
| 00:24.09 | Stanzilla | why the hell would you reload in combat inr aids |
| 00:24.13 | Gnarfoz | because "logging in in-fight" shouldn't lead to "UI is fuckt" |
| 00:24.17 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: she just said |
| 00:24.23 | Simca_ | i literally just outlined why, Stan |
| 00:24.25 | Gnarfoz | because her addons can't handle logging in while in-fight |
| 00:24.28 | Arrowmaster | most people dont understand the loading process well enough to write an addon that would load properly in combat |
| 00:24.37 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: Im getting a 780ti and not overclocking anything |
| 00:24.39 | Gnarfoz | no surprise reloading the UI doesn't help with that |
| 00:24.41 | Arrowmaster | and those that do dont care because you shouldnt be doing it |
| 00:25.00 | Stanzilla | time to switch addons then |
| 00:25.11 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: My 550w can handle it, just wondering whether to get a psu for the server or the rig still =/ |
| 00:25.23 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: toss a coin =D |
| 00:25.32 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: pretty much the situation, yes |
| 00:25.43 | Simca_ | yeah, well internet connections are volatile things, and so is WoW to a lesser extent, so sometimes it's not avoidable |
| 00:26.24 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: gimme some money and Ill toss some of it! |
| 00:26.26 | Gnarfoz | only shitty internet connections are volatile things, but WoW has disconnected people on its own for various reasons ^^ |
| 00:26.43 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: http://www.random.org/coins/ |
| 00:27.15 | Stanzilla | Simca_: still, only bad addons break |
| 00:27.18 | Stanzilla | (there) |
| 00:27.22 | Gnarfoz | nevermind, you're in the US, even power is volatile there |
| 00:27.22 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:27.34 | Simca_ | you have no idea |
| 00:27.41 | Simca_ | my power goes out twice a week here |
| 00:27.49 | Simca_ | (Florida) |
| 00:27.49 | Gnarfoz | move out of the swamps! |
| 00:28.12 | Simca_ | Florida Power&Light = Frequent Power Loss |
| 00:28.13 | Gnarfoz | (does the "hsd1" part of your host also mean something? "fl" is clearly florida) |
| 00:28.35 | Gnarfoz | like, town or county or something ^^ |
| 00:28.48 | Simca_ | don't think so |
| 00:29.39 | Gnarfoz | I should create a new WS char for live and save the char creation string, so I don't spend hours obsessing over that in two weeks |
| 00:30.51 | pompy | http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/05/18/att-buys-directv/9247795/ $48.5 billion /puke |
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| 01:01.14 | Trela | Gnarfoz: hsd1 = High Speed Data 1. |
| 01:01.58 | Gnarfoz | uncreative, but descriptive :D |
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| 01:02.42 | Trela | The perfect naming scheme! |
| 01:03.12 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: you see https://brashear.me/blog/2014/05/18/results-of-the-2014-slash-r-slash-linux-distribution-survey/ |
| 01:04.01 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: what about it? |
| 01:04.22 | Arrowmaster | just wondering if you saw it |
| 01:04.38 | Arrowmaster | unity hatred has grown |
| 01:05.12 | Arrowmaster | cinnamon is ranking fairly well, debian tops all the 2nd choice distros |
| 01:05.28 | jleclanche | hehe |
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| 03:10.11 | Shirik | the popularity of Ubuntu is depressing |
| 03:16.50 | Amarande | Shirik: indeed, especially as one who prefers Debian |
| 03:17.06 | Amarande | because you get to experience firsthand the painful lack of real .deb support from outside parties |
| 03:17.15 | Amarande | because they figure, gonna make a .deb? might as well be for ubuntu |
| 03:17.41 | Amarande | then again, Ubuntu gave rise to Mint, and Mint seems to be a pretty decent thing, pretty much Ubuntu with nicer polish and without the stuff that makes Ubuntu suck |
| 03:18.22 | Amarande | (and a much more cavalier attitude towards media format patents than Debian's rather conservative, gloomy one, although that might backfire someday I suppose :S) |
| 03:19.37 | Thunder_Child | As a comparison or in total? |
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| 03:41.52 | jleclanche | yes, some acquisitions have been stupidly large lately |
| 03:42.08 | jleclanche | but people are saying "block this acquisition" like they're jealous they cant buy things for themselves |
| 03:42.14 | jleclanche | "If I can't afford twitch NOBODY CAN" |
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| 07:24.24 | karl_w_w | jleclanche, it might seem flawed but the logic actually has some merit |
| 07:25.52 | karl_w_w | if you're too little to afford a big competitor, you sure as hell don't want big competitor A and big competitor C to be become Monster-Huge Competitor 3000 |
| 07:33.07 | karl_w_w | that linux survey has an overlooked stat which I find interesting: people who buy a raspberry pi are likely to already be linux users |
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| 08:25.30 | Workfoz | so, did you buy anything, yet, jleclanche? :D |
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| 09:51.36 | jleclanche | Workfoz: i just got my titan yeah. but waiting regarding cpu etc |
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| 10:02.11 | Workfoz | oO what |
| 10:02.22 | Workfoz | didn't you say you wanted to get a 780 ti ^^ |
| 10:03.06 | Workfoz | (does a 550 W psu even work for a Titan :o isn't that like a 325 W monster?) |
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| 10:51.36 | zenzio | I'm blanking on how to do this... I want to connect to a remote host server, but it will only accept connections from one of our servers' IP. Thus, I want to send my traffic through our server and on to the remote server. Is this a job for a normal (SSH?) tunnel; or do I need to set up some kind of proxy? |
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| 11:06.56 | airtonix | yes zenzio |
| 11:07.01 | airtonix | ssh proxies |
| 11:08.23 | airtonix | some call it multi-hop ssh tunnels |
| 11:08.52 | airtonix | zenzio: http://sshmenu.sourceforge.net/articles/transparent-mulithop.html |
| 11:09.27 | zenzio | thanks, I'll give that a try |
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| 11:17.18 | jleclanche | Workfoz: yes, 780ti |
| 11:17.21 | jleclanche | isnt the ti for titan? |
| 11:17.21 | airtonix | actually mint sux |
| 11:17.23 | jleclanche | though i guess when you say titan you refer to the original titan |
| 11:17.37 | Workfoz | exactly |
| 11:17.54 | jleclanche | Workfoz: as it stands though I do need a new PSU so its a good thing I waited. I only have 14 pins to give it and it wants 16 |
| 11:18.19 | Workfoz | ti is... ti :D (if anything, it should be "titanium", but... I wonder if nvidia actually thinks of it as an abbreviation these days, not just a random suffix) |
| 11:18.40 | jleclanche | pretty sure its titan |
| 11:18.42 | nebula169 | ti = titanium |
| 11:18.51 | nebula169 | titan is a model, like gtx titan |
| 11:18.53 | Workfoz | why would it be "titan", the element is "titanium" ;)^^ |
| 11:19.30 | jleclanche | well if you think of it this way titan is just an abbreviation for titanium. |
| 11:19.30 | Workfoz | you can use an adapter for the time being aaaand it should also work without those connected, but it'll be slower (at least... that works on some models, not sure if it works across the entire range) |
| 11:19.30 | Workfoz | no, a titan is something else |
| 11:19.30 | jleclanche | Workfoz: yep, thats what Im doing right now |
| 11:19.30 | nebula169 | except its .. not |
| 11:19.30 | nebula169 | lol |
| 11:19.34 | Workfoz | (well, obviously, titanium is named after titans, but hey) |
| 11:19.43 | jleclanche | :/ you guys have no humour |
| 11:20.16 | Workfoz | nope, because I"m hungry |
| 11:20.31 | nebula169 | meee, too |
| 11:20.45 | Workfoz | goes to feast upon... something |
| 11:23.02 | airtonix | hey Arrowmaster, i just want to say. mint sucks. |
| 11:23.16 | zenzio | I have no idea what it's like now, but before there used to be Pro and Ti versions as far as I recall |
| 11:23.27 | zenzio | where Ti were the cheaper ones. This was 10 years ago |
| 11:24.16 | nevcairiel | Ti is now the more powerful version, with the alternative being no postfix |
| 11:24.27 | zenzio | nice... |
| 11:24.51 | zenzio | I also remember never feeling sure about GTS vs. GTX |
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| 11:24.58 | nevcairiel | like you said, its been 10 years since they used Ti last, not like anyone remembers |
| 11:25.04 | nebula169 | gtx > gts > gt |
| 11:25.50 | nevcairiel | those are rather meaningless though, they dont have the same number in GTX and GTS for example, its directly tied to the model number |
| 11:26.43 | nevcairiel | not sure they even used GTS for a few generations now |
| 11:27.41 | nebula169 | yea, they've dropped everything but ti since the gtx xxx models haven't they? |
| 11:27.51 | nevcairiel | GT is still used for low ends |
| 11:28.00 | nebula169 | ah |
| 11:29.24 | nevcairiel | they also have very few cards without GT at all, but mostly in notebooks, thats the really lowest-end |
| 11:29.51 | nevcairiel | ie see here: http://www.geforce.com/hardware |
| 11:34.22 | jleclanche | Corsair PSUs are still some of the best ones nowadays right? |
| 11:35.18 | karl_w_w | they are the same as always, usually good and reliable bot often overpriced |
| 11:35.51 | nevcairiel | depends which corsair series you get, really |
| 11:36.09 | nevcairiel | they dont build any themself, so good to know which rebrand they are selling |
| 11:36.21 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: recommendations? I need a 650W-700W PSU I think |
| 11:37.09 | nevcairiel | the AX760 is pretty top-notch |
| 11:37.30 | nevcairiel | and its build by seasonic, who produce really good PSUs |
| 11:38.12 | nevcairiel | (note that the AX760i is a different PSU from a different manufacturer) |
| 11:38.45 | jleclanche | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-Professional-Series-Modular-Platinum/dp/B00A74X9SO/ this? |
| 11:39.55 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 11:40.10 | jleclanche | looks good |
| 11:40.19 | jleclanche | whats the difference between "digital" and "standard"? Oo |
| 11:40.29 | nevcairiel | digital is the variant with the "i" |
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| 11:40.54 | nevcairiel | it uses a DSP to control the voltages, but reviews have shown that its really not changing anything |
| 11:42.35 | jleclanche | so just get standard yeah? |
| 11:42.39 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 11:42.45 | jleclanche | sweet, thanks! |
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| 12:44.29 | Workfoz | also, GS |
| 12:44.37 | Workfoz | woaaaah, scrolled up |
| 12:44.46 | Workfoz | that was in reference to nvidia models ^^ |
| 12:44.55 | nevcairiel | havent used GS for a long time either |
| 12:48.32 | karl_w_w | suffix btw nevcairiel |
| 12:50.06 | Workfoz | AX760 is da bomb, I have that :D although that there seems to be a newer edition |
| 12:50.14 | Workfoz | I don't have that internal switch |
| 12:50.28 | nevcairiel | maybe you have the digital one |
| 12:50.36 | nevcairiel | it doesnt have the switch |
| 12:51.00 | nevcairiel | i got a 760 recently for my new server, and it has the switch at least |
| 12:51.14 | Workfoz | nah, the i thing didn't exist back then |
| 12:51.19 | Workfoz | (I think :O) |
| 12:51.30 | nevcairiel | i thought the AX and AXi series were released at the same time |
| 12:51.34 | nevcairiel | but might remember wrong |
| 12:52.01 | Workfoz | possible, but I probably read a HardOCP review that said "fuck that i noise, it's pointless" :D |
| 12:52.19 | nevcairiel | it kinda is |
| 12:52.34 | nevcairiel | the only fun factor is the measurements you can extract through its usb port |
| 12:54.19 | karl_w_w | a psu with a usb port? |
| 12:55.09 | karl_w_w | you'd have to have a severe excess of gold coins to not instantly dismiss that as a waste of time |
| 12:57.07 | Workfoz | they also have cpu coolers with that |
| 12:57.09 | Workfoz | so... well. |
| 13:01.30 | karl_w_w | im amazed that people buy stuff like that |
| 13:01.51 | Workfoz | it's simply included, it's not really an option :p |
| 13:02.18 | nevcairiel | its not really that useless if you like more monitoring information, doubt it really adds much to the cost |
| 13:02.39 | karl_w_w | you're always going to be better off buying a simple cooler and a better CPU than a worse CPU and a cooler with thrills |
| 13:02.57 | nevcairiel | what if these is no better cpu |
| 13:02.57 | karl_w_w | frills* |
| 13:03.02 | nevcairiel | there* |
| 13:03.19 | karl_w_w | then put the money in the bank and justify upgrading earlier :P |
| 13:04.41 | Workfoz | that makes no sense, unless you want to run your CPU without a cooler |
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| 13:10.12 | Workfoz | what does that internal switch on the AX760 even do? |
| 13:10.17 | karl_w_w | I don't understand why you say that Workfoz |
| 13:10.27 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: it turns the fan from hybrid mode to always on |
| 13:10.42 | nevcairiel | some people are apparently worried about a PSU fan that turns off |
| 13:10.44 | Workfoz | what's hybrid mode? the "stay off until necessary" one that's default on mine? |
| 13:10.52 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 13:10.53 | Workfoz | pff, pussies |
| 13:11.16 | Workfoz | (well it can make sense if you have little other airflow) |
| 13:22.49 | jleclanche | I always keep my fans turned on |
| 13:23.11 | jleclanche | That's what makes me such a good porn star, in fact |
| 13:23.33 | Stanzilla | naughty jerome |
| 13:23.37 | jleclanche | dude, dont |
| 13:24.05 | nevcairiel | dont jerome you? |
| 13:24.08 | Workfoz | jerome is a pretty usable porn name |
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| 13:25.18 | jleclanche | Change of topic. |
| 13:25.22 | jleclanche | >> To be clearer, Theoretical Physicists have a theory about an experiment that would allow Experimental Physicists to prove a theory made by earlier Theoretical Physicists. They haven't actually conducted the Experiment. |
| 13:25.23 | jleclanche | "In Theory, there is no difference between Theory and Reality. But in Reality there is." |
| 13:26.28 | foxlit | “there might be” is more appropriate. |
| 13:28.36 | Stanzilla | jerome is like the best porn name |
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| 13:36.56 | jleclanche | gasp, I forgot about GoT |
| 13:36.59 | jleclanche | closes irc |
| 13:46.16 | Workfoz | *spoils everything* |
| 14:00.11 | karl_w_w | tyrion unexpectedly turns into an onion |
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| 14:01.05 | Simca_ | and nobody cries |
| 14:01.41 | karl_w_w | then ned stark comes back from the dead and uses his huge sword to chop tyrion |
| 14:01.48 | karl_w_w | and sansa starts crying |
| 14:01.59 | Lopeppeppy | Sansa would cry if Jeoffry died. |
| 14:02.02 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Wait. |
| 14:02.55 | karl_w_w | sansa would cry at anything |
| 14:05.24 | chiel | sansa's a bit of a cunt |
| 14:05.44 | chiel | not as bad as cersei, i grant you, but a cunt nonetheless |
| 14:05.45 | chiel | a stupid cunt |
| 14:07.17 | Workfoz | mostly stupid |
| 14:07.25 | Workfoz | she says so herself a couple of times :D |
| 14:07.29 | Workfoz | (at least in the books) |
| 14:07.48 | Stanzilla | I love sansa |
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| 14:09.50 | Workfoz | I'd love Sophie Turner, but that's another matter! :p |
| 14:10.16 | chiel | she just acts dumb |
| 14:10.28 | Workfoz | eh? nope |
| 14:10.29 | Workfoz | :D |
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| 14:10.53 | Workfoz | (Unless by "she" you mean the actress, then yes, she's playing the character :P) |
| 14:11.03 | chiel | the character, yes |
| 14:11.08 | chiel | i mena, it's like joffrey |
| 14:11.11 | chiel | i fucking hate that little shithead |
| 14:11.28 | chiel | but i recognise that gleeson is a good actor for managing to portray him so convincingly |
| 14:11.39 | Workfoz | so you meant to say "the actress, yes" |
| 14:12.04 | Workfoz | because if the character was acting dumb, that'd mean the character was actually smart ;) |
| 14:14.41 | Workfoz | sb: so... from the realms that are currently available (they said they were going to publish server lists before launch, though), it's basically between Ikthia (PVE) and Progenitor (PVP), unless you want to roll on the RP realm |
| 14:15.25 | Workfoz | sb: but Carbine already said they don't really see open world pvp as worth much of their focus, so PVP realms will probably just be random ganking and counter-ganking, rather pointless and annoying, probably |
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| 14:19.45 | Workfoz | apparently, different channel than I intended, but w/e |
| 14:20.05 | chiel | Workfoz: yes, that :p |
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| 14:23.53 | nevcairiel | maybe they should've skipped the pvp realms |
| 14:30.16 | Workfoz | the forum peoples be restless |
| 14:30.30 | Workfoz | at least they said "no rp-pvp, that'd be a ghost server" and stuck to that |
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| 14:30.39 | Workfoz | or rather, german rp-pvp |
| 14:34.54 | Workfoz | oh, sb isn't even here, lol :( |
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| 14:55.19 | Fisker | tackleshugs Lopeppeppy |
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| 15:26.23 | TC-Work | Anyone have any experiance with installing CS6 on wine? |
| 15:26.32 | TC-Work | experience* |
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| 15:52.43 | pompy | http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2068566-lance-armstrong-suffers-awkward-moment-while-playing-cards-against-humanity |
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| 16:47.31 | jleclanche | pompy: really dude, you couldnt link to the original tweet? |
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| 17:39.09 | nevcairiel | those crash course videos blizzard posted are really not bad |
| 17:39.28 | Simca | high praise |
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| 17:40.05 | nevcairiel | obviously not very in-depth, but the broad strokes how to play a dpser seem to be good |
| 17:40.18 | mikma | tharper: http://imgur.com/gallery/BE0SvO0 |
| 17:41.18 | Fisker | halp Lopeppeppy |
| 17:41.31 | Lopeppeppy | Halp? Penguin attack? |
| 17:41.36 | Fisker | I wish |
| 17:41.52 | Unkle | mikma: I lol'ed |
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| 17:54.15 | mikma | unkle: goodie :) |
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| 19:03.46 | karl_w_w | http://esportsexpress.com/2014/05/twitch-chat-users-may-destroy-youtube-ecosystem/ |
| 19:04.11 | Dagmar | Of course, it could be that GOogle is buying Twitch just to ban all their users. |
| 19:06.36 | Gnarfoz | old, but... this guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBvAvW6KQDk |
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| 19:49.53 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: so this is idiocracy, right? |
| 19:50.07 | jleclanche | we're *actually* scared of youtube comments going.. down in quality |
| 19:53.01 | kd3 | people still look at youtube/twitch comments? |
| 19:53.01 | Semlar | have you seen twitch chat |
| 19:53.01 | jleclanche | Semlar: I make a point *not* to see twitch chat |
| 19:53.01 | Semlar | it's bad |
| 19:53.01 | Simca | jleclanche: same |
| 19:53.01 | karl_w_w | jleclanche, satire |
| 19:53.01 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: i honestly cant tell |
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| 20:04.39 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://pastebin.com || 5.4.x ToC: 50400 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || 5.4.8 Changes to CVars While In-Combat http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/12674209697 |
| 20:04.56 | Kalroth | be nice Gnarfoz, you dont see anyone calling you a german |
| 20:05.02 | Unkle | jleclanche: bulletproof glass is usually layers of glass and lexan sandwiched together and then fused with heat. |
| 20:05.15 | Gnarfoz | Kalroth: reichfully so |
| 20:05.20 | jleclanche | Unkle: the material I have in mind is not glass |
| 20:05.29 | jleclanche | also i think its just bullet resistant |
| 20:05.31 | Kalroth | :D |
| 20:05.48 | Kalroth | well what DO you have in mind then, jleclanche |
| 20:05.52 | Unkle | There's a plastic version used in banks too - it's incredibly thick. |
| 20:05.55 | jleclanche | http://www.tapplastics.com/product/plastics/cut_to_size_plastic/acrylic_sheets_clear_bullet_resistant/440 |
| 20:05.55 | jleclanche | there we go |
| 20:05.57 | jleclanche | thats the one |
| 20:05.59 | Kalroth | (non-sexual subjects only, pleasE) |
| 20:06.35 | jleclanche | laminated polycarbonate |
| 20:07.06 | jleclanche | anyway, thats what that tv monitor is made of. good luck bleeding with that. |
| 20:07.08 | Unkle | I once helped renovate a building that had had a check-cashing storefront in it. Removing the window took 5 strong men and a pallet-jack. |
| 20:07.43 | Semlar | is there a good way to determine unbuffed spellpower? |
| 20:08.08 | jleclanche | yes |
| 20:08.30 | TC-Work | That's still a hard material. |
| 20:08.44 | Semlar | i want like a baseline to compare the current spellpower to |
| 20:08.52 | jleclanche | Semlar: query the armory |
| 20:09.07 | Semlar | well i was thinking in game |
| 20:09.34 | jleclanche | memory injections. |
| 20:10.01 | Unkle | Let's not get all "Total Recall" here. |
| 20:10.38 | Kalroth | Let's go "Memento" instead! |
| 20:10.44 | jleclanche | Man, daily bundles for 14 days and they suck more and more every time. humblebundle really lost its touch |
| 20:10.55 | jleclanche | whats more, only 1 EFF bundle so far :/ |
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| 20:30.25 | Simca | damnit lua, y u do dis |
| 20:30.37 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/oNED7UL.png the full string is "Set Spell Visual Kits" |
| 20:30.43 | Simca | the ... is longer than the s |
| 20:31.40 | karl_w_w | I'd choose twitch chat jleclanche |
| 20:32.00 | Stanzilla | twitch chat will only work with a g+ account in the future |
| 20:32.06 | jleclanche | good |
| 20:32.12 | jleclanche | i would welcome that with ten open arms |
| 20:32.24 | jleclanche | hell, Id welcome twitch chat only working with a g+ developer account |
| 20:32.43 | Simca | population of 2 |
| 20:32.52 | Simca | lolol |
| 20:33.13 | karl_w_w | g+ has no developers |
| 20:33.30 | karl_w_w | only an AI hivemind |
| 20:49.22 | TC-Work | So Shirik is the g+ dev? |
| 20:53.36 | airtonix | jleclanche: i don't get why people hate g+. it's so fucking awesome. |
| 20:53.56 | airtonix | are they just angry apple fans? |
| 20:54.27 | airtonix | omg! i can't believe apple didn't <quote>invent</unquote> this first. |
| 20:54.35 | Simca | apple? |
| 20:54.50 | Simca | the g+ equivalent is facebook, which isn't apple-run? |
| 20:55.10 | airtonix | get out of here with your less than desirable logic |
| 20:55.30 | airtonix | but seriously. |
| 20:56.00 | Simca | most of the people who hate g+ also hate facebook and are just anti-social-media in general usually |
| 20:56.20 | airtonix | must be the same people that use the same password for everything |
| 20:56.53 | airtonix | minimum of 8 char, two numbers and a letter, max of 8 char? perfect i have just the password! |
| 20:59.21 | TC-Work | I also have _the_ password |
| 20:59.34 | airtonix | nice password |
| 20:59.51 | TC-Work | thank you, my password is the best password. |
| 21:00.18 | airtonix | "Ohh what's this ??!?!!!?!???! TC-Work has left his phone unattended with all his social network accounts logged in ?" |
| 21:01.19 | TC-Work | Actually, I'm not logged on my phone. |
| 21:01.26 | airtonix | i do believe he is about to proclaim his brony predelations. |
| 21:01.52 | TC-Work | I do have a video of me combing a twilight sparkle pony. |
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| 21:10.32 | airtonix | such sparkle |
| 21:23.41 | Neffi | Semlar: http://youtu.be/uRJZfwDgNTM |
| 21:24.16 | Semlar | neffi |
| 21:24.34 | Neffi | yo |
| 21:24.49 | Semlar | what are you trying to say |
| 21:25.19 | Neffi | Well I don't know... if you're into it |
| 21:32.54 | airtonix | wink wink |
| 21:32.58 | airtonix | nudge nudge |
| 21:34.26 | Humbedooh | oink oink |
| 21:35.53 | Semlar | i see where this is going |
| 21:38.44 | airtonix | if you're into that kind of thing |
| 21:41.18 | airtonix | the right proper collection of deviants here aren't you |
| 21:41.45 | kd3|hate`net | oop, did someone drag anchors through a transatlantic cable or three? |
| 21:46.02 | Gnarfoz | shark attack |
| 21:46.05 | Gnarfoz | also, Godzilla |
| 21:46.50 | Gnarfoz | also, who at Google thought it was a good idea to make imap.gmail.com present a cert for gmail.com now >_> |
| 22:04.27 | airtonix | that would be me |
| 22:05.44 | fewyn | that's weird it says i transfered a character successfully to the ptr but it's not there |
| 22:06.41 | airtonix | so family guy is just an advert for things now |
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| 22:21.42 | jleclanche | The problem with Quassel right now is there is a pretty critical bug in its Qt5 build which unbinds all actions |
| 22:21.53 | jleclanche | I can join new channels but I cannot part them. |
| 22:22.13 | jleclanche | Im gonna have to do some serious cleanup when this is fixed... |
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| 22:30.34 | Stanzilla | so sad that every irc client on windows kinda sucks |
| 22:34.20 | Unkle | IRC clients on Windows have pretty much always sucked. |
| 22:34.39 | jleclanche | Stanzilla: quassel doesnt suck on windows :) |
| 22:34.46 | Stanzilla | it does |
| 22:34.51 | jleclanche | why? |
| 22:34.55 | plaw | windows sucks ipso.... |
| 22:34.57 | Stanzilla | lack of options |
| 22:35.08 | jleclanche | "lack of options"? |
| 22:35.10 | Stanzilla | can't customize it properly |
| 22:35.19 | jleclanche | "can't customize it properly"? |
| 22:35.35 | Stanzilla | I'm not going to mention every single thing I'm missing now :p |
| 22:35.41 | Stanzilla | because I don't remember |
| 22:36.18 | jleclanche | well, Shirik was complaining about things yesterday and then I showed him that theres actually a settings dialog to change things |
| 22:36.27 | jleclanche | so when you say lack of options ... color me suspicious |
| 22:36.44 | Stanzilla | I'll test it again when they release with QT5 |
| 22:37.06 | jleclanche | i dont see how that would make a difference to anything. |
| 22:37.17 | jleclanche | but if you actually told me what kind of thing you're missing i could maybe help |
| 22:37.42 | Stanzilla | will ping you when I test it then :p |
| 22:37.56 | jleclanche | you're not even saying what kind of customization you're looking for |
| 22:38.04 | Stanzilla | it was UI stuff |
| 22:38.05 | jleclanche | styling? macros? penises? |
| 22:38.55 | Stanzilla | do they have a 64bit version for windows? |
| 22:39.09 | jleclanche | I dont know, i use a proper OS :p |
| 22:39.16 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 22:39.22 | jleclanche | but yes probably |
| 22:43.05 | Stanzilla | all the other clients are not really actively developed |
| 22:43.14 | Stanzilla | some bugfixing here and there but nothing major |
| 22:43.16 | Stanzilla | so sad :( |
| 22:43.22 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: do you know anything that comes remotely close to a virtual "cd library", as in an iso manager? |
| 22:43.46 | jleclanche | I've been thinking of writing something like this for a while but I figure this exists somehow. ive not found it though |
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| 22:44.01 | airtonix | Stanzilla: hint: he doesn't use macosx |
| 22:44.16 | Stanzilla | I know |
| 22:44.34 | airtonix | that's it. i'm moving to arch |
| 22:45.14 | airtonix | also Stanzilla did you know about qss ? |
| 22:45.19 | jleclanche | airtonix: what gave you the enlightenment? |
| 22:45.20 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 22:45.45 | airtonix | jleclanche: the lady of the lake, clad in the shmmering something something something |
| 22:45.52 | jleclanche | ? |
| 22:45.57 | Gnarfoz | the lady of cake |
| 22:45.59 | Gnarfoz | yum |
| 22:46.11 | Gnarfoz | (yellowdog updater, modified) |
| 22:46.13 | airtonix | geez Gnarfoz... there was a line |
| 22:46.27 | airtonix | and you crossed it |
| 22:47.39 | airtonix | Stanzilla: https://gist.github.com/Zren/2779042 , https://github.com/antoligy/SolarizedQuassel |
| 22:47.58 | jleclanche | airtonix: what is making you switch? |
| 22:48.15 | airtonix | to arch? |
| 22:48.28 | airtonix | the desire to waste time trying to compile and install stuff |
| 22:48.42 | airtonix | actually lets not beat around... move right to gentoo |
| 22:48.57 | airtonix | actually have no idea what i'm talking about |
| 22:49.14 | jleclanche | nevcairiel was the person who convinced me about arch a few years ago. i was going to go with gentoo but as it turns out, there is a.. gasp.. middle ground! |
| 22:50.27 | airtonix | i don't want to spend time configuring things to install stuff though |
| 22:50.43 | airtonix | apt-get install or add-apt-repository is as far as i want to go |
| 22:50.56 | jleclanche | and thats fantastic because arch lets you do that |
| 22:51.02 | airtonix | nice |
| 22:51.04 | jleclanche | as i said, middle ground, and an awesome one at that |
| 22:51.16 | airtonix | because if i wanted difficult, i'd switch to windows or macosx |
| 22:51.38 | airtonix | have you seen how package management is supposed to work on windows? |
| 22:51.43 | airtonix | it makes gentoo look tame |
| 22:52.11 | airtonix | and homebrew is ... i may as well use npm |
| 22:52.41 | airtonix | is arch the one that has this 'rolling release' ? |
| 22:53.27 | jleclanche | ya |
| 22:53.50 | jleclanche | arch's only downside is that its somewhat annoying to first-time setup |
| 22:54.05 | jleclanche | especially when you're used to ubuntu/debian/fedora's installers |
| 22:54.31 | airtonix | any articles you know of that talk about that annoyance in detail ? |
| 22:54.37 | airtonix | that i can read as a spectator |
| 22:54.50 | jleclanche | follow this step by step |
| 22:54.55 | jleclanche | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/beginners'_guide |
| 22:55.11 | kd3 | fire up a vm and try it? isn't that how everyone tries out distros these days? |
| 22:55.21 | jleclanche | ive never tried a distro with a vm :/ |
| 22:55.24 | airtonix | i read about stuff first |
| 22:55.57 | airtonix | i like to read the tears flowing down someones rage filled blog about how clicking an extra button is too tedious |
| 22:56.00 | Neffi | airtonix: You can compile if you so choose but Arch is binary based, not source based |
| 22:56.03 | airtonix | then i know the worst to expect |
| 22:56.13 | jleclanche | arch core is binary based |
| 22:56.21 | Neffi | And their repositories |
| 22:56.32 | jleclanche | arch is agnostic |
| 22:56.47 | jleclanche | they happen to have repositories, but compiling packages is part of the core system |
| 22:57.06 | Neffi | A few packages here and there are not available in the repos, which you can install through AUR. You do need to compile those, but there are easy wrappers around AUR so you don't have to mess with it if you dont want to -- just ask it to install, and it does it all |
| 22:57.14 | Neffi | yes that's true |
| 22:57.21 | airtonix | aur is like ppa? |
| 22:57.27 | jleclanche | aur is ppa done right |
| 22:57.31 | airtonix | sweet |
| 22:57.34 | airtonix | how? |
| 22:57.44 | Neffi | see the arch wiki article on it |
| 22:57.52 | airtonix | what's wrong about ppa (apart from the lack of `ppa search thing`) |
| 22:58.19 | jleclanche | you'll understand :p |
| 22:58.30 | Gnarfoz | come into our faith, then you'll understand, airtonix |
| 22:58.33 | jleclanche | airtonix: the aur (arch user repository) is an official website letting people upload their package recipes, basically |
| 22:58.51 | airtonix | is it just storage? or also build bots? |
| 22:59.07 | jleclanche | its like a pastebin, it just stores the package recipe |
| 22:59.14 | Neffi | no build bots. they provide build instructions |
| 22:59.23 | airtonix | ah build occurs on your machine? |
| 22:59.34 | jleclanche | but it has an api and everything which has made it scriptable, which means there are package manager wrappers that seamlessly handle AUR repositories |
| 22:59.43 | Neffi | Typically it contains info to fetch from upstream, occasionally apply patches the maintainer chose |
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| 23:00.22 | jleclanche | airtonix: to give you an idea of how it works in real life, take the example of say quassel-client which is in the arch-sponsored community/ repository, so you can do pacman -S quassel-core and it installs it, OK. |
| 23:01.00 | jleclanche | airtonix: but say there is a fork of quassel that's called lessuaq, but not popular enough to be in the official repos. an user uploads a package recipe on the AUR and you can get that recipe and just do "makepkg", it'll build the package. |
| 23:01.38 | jleclanche | airtonix: some package manager wrappers (such as yaourt, pacaur, packer etc) handle this seamlessly. So I can do yaourt -Ss quassel and its gonna show me the packages in the AUR along with the repositories I have added. |
| 23:02.31 | jleclanche | airtonix: PPAs are more like "personal repositories" since they host prebuilt binaries, although that is also possible on arch it is far less common *because* everyone can build, and because you dont have separate build headers for everything |
| 23:02.40 | Neffi | And yaourt -Sa lessauq will handle the fetching, building, and installing for you |
| 23:03.38 | Neffi | hey jleclanche, what do you think of Manjaro? |
| 23:04.12 | jleclanche | "whatever" |
| 23:04.36 | jleclanche | I dont think bringing arch to the masses is a particularly useful process |
| 23:04.50 | jleclanche | there are excellent reasons not to go with a rolling release |
| 23:05.17 | kd3 | not having to update every single day is a good place to start |
| 23:05.44 | jleclanche | indeed. i like updating every day, but admittedly I wouldnt like updating 50 servers every day |
| 23:14.10 | airtonix | thanks for that |
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| 23:17.14 | jleclanche | airtonix: pm me if you nee dhelp, the #archlinux community is an elistic prickish fuckfest. |
| 23:19.13 | airtonix | will do |
| 23:20.48 | Amarande | jleclanche: I've actually noticed a lot of Linux channels over the years have been that way. I'm really not sure why. :( |
| 23:21.13 | jleclanche | human nature.. |
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| 23:22.24 | jleclanche | Amarande: they're prickish in very different ways though |
| 23:23.06 | plaw | people don't read /topic, FAQs, stickies etc. |
| 23:23.23 | jleclanche | some of it is down to bad OPs, some of it is down to people simply expecting everyone to be on their level |
| 23:23.37 | plaw | then start asking the same questions that have been asked for, well now, over a decade |
| 23:23.47 | plaw | not to mention expecting immediate responses |
| 23:25.02 | Amarande | then there's I suppose the stuff that's in basic man pages ... although GNU kinda ruined things for support communities with their documentation structure, le sigh |
| 23:25.27 | Amarande | Man pages are one thing ... Info, on the other hand? Half the time it's easier to actually do the shit you were trying to figure out how to do, than it is to figure out how to navigate the friggin info interface to get the info on how to do it :P |
| 23:25.46 | Amarande | at least, the standard terminal mode info program's interface is terrible |
| 23:25.53 | plaw | then there's http://users.on.net/~bleeter/why_i_dont_think_much_of_gentoo_users.txt kinda stuff |
| 23:25.55 | jleclanche | ive never seen anyone ever use or recommend info |
| 23:26.15 | Amarande | jleclanche: for some reason GNU projects have a tendency to make their documentation in info format instead of something sane, sadly :( |
| 23:26.41 | Amarande | then the man pages people used to count on get deprecated with notices on "for up to date documentation check the info pages" |
| 23:27.47 | jleclanche | plaw: lol |
| 23:28.05 | plaw | jleclanche: suspect no one recommending info(1) is a bit more heritage (ie, non-linux systems without it). a man page typically will tell you if there's info, too |
| 23:29.00 | plaw | s/heritage/legacy/ |
| 23:31.58 | Amarande | and then, alas, you have the channels that seem friendly enough but for their CAUSE ... debian I'm looking at you heh |
| 23:32.21 | Amarande | as far as a lot of debian folks apparently are concerned, you're to make sure your linux box either uses an Intel integrated GPU or something suitably ancient |
| 23:32.41 | Amarande | because if you have a recent nVidia or AMD graphics card, actually getting it working is often overshadowed by "oh no not the non-free blob" |
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| 23:33.24 | jleclanche | what about debian? |
| 23:33.40 | jleclanche | (i dont hang out there, only once this year) |
| 23:33.54 | Amarande | jleclanche: there is often more emphasis put on FOSS-puritanism than on things like, you know, functionality |
| 23:34.07 | jleclanche | are you talking about the distro or the irc channel? |
| 23:34.17 | Amarande | actually, it can affect both |
| 23:34.39 | jleclanche | whatever really, i like that someone is doing this stuff |
| 23:34.52 | Amarande | it affects the distro when people try to install it on computers that need to use wifi and run into snags because the DFSG demanding the wifi blob be segregated in non-free is of greater importance than, say, functionality |
| 23:35.09 | jleclanche | "so dont install debian" is my answer |
| 23:35.17 | jleclanche | mint is a much, much better choice for example |
| 23:35.19 | Amarande | then you end up having to hunt down the .deb manually on the web on another machine and shuttling it over on a usb drive in order to get things working :P |
| 23:35.45 | Amarande | yeah, I like Mint |
| 23:35.52 | Amarande | it pretty much has all the good things about Ubuntu without the things that suck |
| 23:35.56 | jleclanche | we have the luxury of having a host of different distros, we should let them handle their own things |
| 23:36.16 | Amarande | although sadly its reliance on the ubuntu repo is now resulting in it sharing the same sadly short support cycles as ubuntu :( |
| 23:36.45 | Amarande | (and mint's maintainers still basically maintain that when you need to migrate to a new version of mint you're ideally supposed to do so by reinstalling ... what is this, windows?) |
| 23:37.05 | jleclanche | Mint is a fantastic end-user distro. debian is a fantastic server distro. fedora and arch are both great for enthusiasts. gentoo keeps the crazies at bay |
| 23:38.36 | jleclanche | debian is not something i would recommend to a first timer due to the issues you mentioned, but it serves as a base to all the "end user" distros we do get (ubuntu and its variants, mint, etc) |
| 23:40.51 | plaw | jleclanche: http://w.pl.id.au/users/Why_I_Think_Little_Of_Most_Users.txt |
| 23:42.12 | jleclanche | plaw: this is just really confusing with all the names scrubbed out |
| 23:42.57 | plaw | that one's even less confusing, only two people :P |
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| 23:43.43 | jleclanche | plaw: not the people's names, the urls etcv |
| 23:44.58 | jleclanche | trump is screwed. |
| 23:45.21 | plaw | damned NDAs!!!! |
| 23:45.53 | plaw | jleclanche: the logger was scrubbing stuff, didn't have much option :( |
| 23:46.12 | jleclanche | :) |
| 23:47.12 | plaw | but in that case, just think of sw title 1 as individual addon, sw title 2 as addon pack (eg, auctioneer vs auctioneer suite) |
| 23:47.26 | plaw | and no that discussion wasn't from there =) |
| 23:47.39 | plaw | but... I'm sure I'd seen it half a gazillion times there... |
| 23:48.00 | plaw | pretty much see it on #OpenWRT a couple times a week |
| 23:50.52 | jleclanche | :/ |
| 23:50.59 | jleclanche | plaw: http://p1.portal2sounds.com/sound.php?id=235&stream |
