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| 00:42.00 | kd3 | oh wow: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/12673849748 |
| 00:43.44 | Kesava | well. |
| 00:44.08 | kd3 | also, something a bit more keyed in to *this* channel in particular: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/12674209697 |
| 00:44.30 | kd3 | topic perhaps, cairenn? ^ |
| 00:48.17 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://pastebin.com || 5.4.x ToC: 50400 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || 5.4.8 Changes to CVars While In-Combat http://bit.ly/1lvdXk0a |
| 00:48.28 | kd3 | <3 |
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| 03:33.35 | ccox | Cairenn: also, bit.ly returns an error for that CVars link |
| 03:34.25 | kd3 | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/12674209697 |
| 03:40.10 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://pastebin.com || 5.4.x ToC: 50400 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || 5.4.8 Changes to CVars While In-Combat http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/12674209697 |
| 03:43.25 | Arrowmaster | i like these d3 patch notes, i should play again soon |
| 03:43.54 | Fisker | did someone figure out to AVR again? |
| 03:44.52 | kd3 | it's more for arena - totem killing |
| 03:45.04 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 03:45.12 | Fisker | mathematicians can go free this time around then |
| 03:47.11 | Fisker | I'm tired kd3 |
| 03:48.03 | kd3 | well have a nap, then fire ze missiles! |
| 03:48.22 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 03:49.09 | Fisker | I have this thing called work :( |
| 03:49.35 | kd3 | it's... 4 am? over there. why are you up? |
| 03:49.47 | Fisker | it's 6am |
| 03:50.08 | Fisker | But I've been up for almost an hour now |
| 03:57.29 | ccox | trolls have to get up early these days, to beat the commuters to the bridges. |
| 04:02.15 | Dagmar | I don't think the world has made more than one or two decent trolls since 2000. |
| 04:02.28 | Dagmar | They're all junkies for the butthurt now |
| 04:03.32 | Fisker | ... |
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| 04:05.16 | Dagmar | Fisker: A *good* troll is convincing, and almost never the target of the victim's discomfort |
| 04:06.18 | Dagmar | Fisker: Using an FM radio station that reached 75 miles in every direction I once told everyone listening that the meteors striking Jupiter would hit with such force that it's "nuclear match" would finally strike and turn this into dog-star system |
| 04:06.43 | Dagmar | I explained very carefully in completely scientific terms, just carefully omitting that force != _nuclear_ force. told everyone they had about three weeks to live. |
| 04:06.44 | Fisker | congrats? |
| 04:06.51 | Dagmar | _That_ is trolling. |
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| 04:09.34 | Dagmar | It's nto about making someone angrily insist that what you say is not true. |
| 04:09.55 | Dagmar | It's about making people worry themselves silly that what you say *might* be true. |
| 04:11.20 | Dagmar | It's also important to avoid creating conditions where there will be riots or the need for air raid sirens. That's Going Too Far. |
| 04:12.12 | Jamash | the art of the troll is to convince people of something that they should know is not true |
| 04:12.50 | Dagmar | Exactly. |
| 04:13.21 | Jamash | therefore it is distinct from ordinary lying and flamebaiting |
| 04:13.43 | Dagmar | Non-consensual cognitive dissonance is a thing of beauty. |
| 04:14.55 | Jamash | for example, did you know that when you see the sun just at the horizon at sunset, the sun is actually below the horizon, because you are seeing the light that the sun emitted more than 8 minutes ago? |
| 04:15.21 | Jamash | this is my personal contribution to troll physics |
| 04:15.40 | Dagmar | The coarsest stunt I've ever pulled involved taking a Miss Black (College to remain nameless) Pageant flyer apart with an x-acto knife, and turning it into the new Miss White (College To Remain Nameless) Pageant, and then ninja-stealh put them up all over campus and select parts of the city |
| 04:16.02 | Dagmar | People went absolutely _apeshit_ |
| 04:16.17 | Jamash | that's pretty rude |
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| 04:16.46 | Dagmar | So was the extention of the phrase "it's a black thing, you wouldn't understand" to literally everything |
| 04:16.57 | Jamash | every month is white history month dagmar |
| 04:17.04 | Amarande | Jamash: actually, that eight minute factor is possibly going to hit civilisation hard within the next century or two |
| 04:17.08 | Amarande | whenever we get around to colonising Mars |
| 04:17.17 | Jamash | Amarande: but do you see through the troll? |
| 04:17.22 | Dagmar | Jamash: That's because white people came from europe, where history comes from, don'tchaknow. |
| 04:17.37 | Jamash | it's not trivial to unravel |
| 04:17.43 | Amarande | mainly since we've gotten used these days to communications being able to go from anywhere to anywhere on Earth in a fraction of a second thanks to the Internet |
| 04:18.00 | Dagmar | You get on HughesNet or Dish and say that |
| 04:18.09 | Dagmar | 2000ms ping times, man |
| 04:18.27 | Amarande | still in the seconds range, though |
| 04:18.29 | Dagmar | I still think one of our healers was a fucking psychic |
| 04:18.30 | Jamash | even to the Moon is about 2.5s round trip |
| 04:18.36 | Amarande | but with Mars? let's see ... 143 million miles from the sun, while we are 93 million miles away |
| 04:18.43 | Amarande | we know 93 million miles takes about 8 minutes at light speed |
| 04:19.03 | Jamash | and at worst the sun is in the way so you have to route signals around it via solar orbiting satellite |
| 04:19.05 | Amarande | that means round-trip lag for any Internet connections from Earth to Mars will be at BEST about 8 minutes (4 minutes each way) |
| 04:19.20 | Kesava | yes but |
| 04:19.25 | Kesava | quantum entanglement |
| 04:19.29 | Kesava | which may i remind you is actually real |
| 04:19.30 | Jamash | ~lart Kesava |
| 04:19.30 | purl | drops a baby grand on Kesava |
| 04:19.30 | Amarande | worst case? even not considering the sun in the way, that's about 230 million miles, can you imagine half hour plus lag? :| |
| 04:20.00 | Jamash | Kesava: real but irrelevant |
| 04:20.07 | Amarande | interplanetary email will be fun ... we might have to go back to dreadful old things like UUCP |
| 04:20.11 | Jamash | that's not even quality trolling |
| 04:20.34 | Jamash | Kesava: can you explain what's wrong with my description of sunset physics? |
| 04:22.53 | Dagmar | :) https://www.google.com/search?q=light+from+the+sun+takes+how+long+to+reach+earth |
| 04:22.59 | Amarande | (on a different point, I hope anyone going to Mars is a person for all seasons, because the seasons (being that the year is also) are about 1.9 times as long as Earth seasons) |
| 04:23.26 | Amarande | also, the gods help Web browser authors in a Martian colonisation age |
| 04:23.52 | Amarande | it's going to be fun to code timeout times to account for interplanetary lag without making genuinely unresponsive pages be an absolute pain in the bum |
| 04:24.33 | Amarande | Dagmar, you had a raid mate on HughesNet? |
| 04:24.46 | Dagmar | We had an offtank and secondary healer couple, actually. |
| 04:24.59 | Dagmar | 2000ms was the _best_ ping time they could expect |
| 04:25.04 | Amarande | Wow. And you didn't wipe constantly from it? |
| 04:25.18 | Dagmar | This is why I suspected she was a psychic. |
| 04:25.24 | Dagmar | Also, some HoTs were involved |
| 04:25.34 | Dagmar | We'd reid Kara with them |
| 04:25.42 | Kesava | Jamash: um. no. |
| 04:25.47 | Kesava | can you? |
| 04:26.06 | Amarande | OTOH, what I'm not sure about is why people have a thing against wireless gaming in general |
| 04:26.10 | Dagmar | There's zero forgiveness for accidentally moving the boss when the offtank is guaranteed to take three seconds to catch up |
| 04:26.30 | Amarande | I just switched this computer from wired to wifi today when I installed the UPS, in order to make for better cable management |
| 04:26.32 | Dagmar | Amarande: Because of old people with 2.4Ghz cordless phones and so forth |
| 04:26.39 | Jamash | When the sun appears to be just above the horizon at sunset, it is, in fact, below the horizon |
| 04:26.50 | Amarande | (hell, I have enough of a web of cables coming out the back of the UPS now as it is, heh) |
| 04:26.59 | Jamash | because the earth's atmosphere refracts sunlight downwards |
| 04:27.15 | Amarande | and I'm not noticing any difference in connection quality ... SW:TOR has gone from maybe 45 to 50 ms ping, and that's about it heh |
| 04:27.19 | Dagmar | *That* is where the bullshit comes in |
| 04:27.25 | Jamash | the distance to the sun and the time it takes for the sun's light to reach the earth is wholly irrelevant |
| 04:27.51 | Dagmar | Amarande: If you live in an apartment complex, sudden and intermittent frequency clogging can be a real pain in the ass |
| 04:27.53 | Kesava | it's still 8 minutes further than it appears to be |
| 04:28.00 | Kesava | that's a terrible troll |
| 04:28.01 | Kesava | you're terrible |
| 04:28.07 | Amarande | yeah, I have to wonder if it's interfering occasionally with my also wireless keyboard and mouse |
| 04:28.19 | Jamash | kesava: the position of the sun in the sky is based on the rotation of the earth, not the motion of the sun |
| 04:28.39 | Dagmar | It's good to do a site survey and hope no one else has figured out the highest and lowest channels don't share spectrum with much |
| 04:28.48 | Amarande | I had a couple of keyboard and mouse freezes tonight in TOR |
| 04:29.18 | Jamash | Kesava: the sun does not appear to lag eight minutes behind its real position |
| 04:29.48 | Jamash | Kesava: in fact, at sunrise, the sun appears to be up *before* it would if not for the earth's atmosphere refracting the light |
| 04:31.06 | Dagmar | YOu *do* actually see the sun eight minutes lagged, but it's fairly round and featureless if you value you eyesight, so you arne't going to notice it |
| 04:31.19 | Dagmar | Our viewpoint of it remains fixed. |
| 04:32.24 | Amarande | I'm not sure if I just need to change the batteries or if the wifi actually interferes, though. I've had wifi on other devices in the room and it doesn't disrupt the keyboard and mouse. |
| 04:32.39 | Amarande | Probably the batteries, I'm guessing :S Not sure I've *ever* changed the one in the keyboard, come to think of it. |
| 04:32.44 | Dagmar | Other wifi is probably not the problem |
| 04:32.47 | Jamash | thus explaining a real phenomenon, which is caused by a little-known effect, using a real, and widely known, but irrelevant fact, it muddies the waters enough to make good troll bait |
| 04:32.55 | Dagmar | Some oldsters cordless phone ringing can do a number on it tho |
| 04:33.16 | Amarande | yeah, we once had a 2.4 phone that completely obliterated the ability to use wifi downstairs, for one |
| 04:33.30 | Amarande | the computer would connect from down there for about 20 minutes or so at a time and then "wireless connection unavailable" |
| 04:33.37 | Amarande | anyway. must sleep. night :) |
| 04:33.57 | Torhal | I remember the days when Amarande simply stopped joining this channel when his WoW subscription was lapsed. These days, we have 365 days of uninterrupted monologues, complete with obligatory LOTR and SW:TOR mentions. |
| 04:34.00 | Torhal | :D |
| 04:34.47 | Trela | Amarande: My MacBook Pro's wireless annihilates all wireless if I transfer a file. Wireless mouse? Forget it. |
| 04:39.14 | Amarande | Ouch, and that's a laptop, where you'd even more want to use wireless. |
| 04:39.29 | Amarande | Aright. Keyboard batteries replaced. Now it's time to go. |
| 04:40.09 | Thunder_Child | Interesting, curse seems to be haveing some issues. |
| 04:40.41 | Thunder_Child | having* |
| 04:41.35 | Kaelten | https://twitter.com/CurseNetworkSys/status/466438010763247617 |
| 04:41.36 | Kaelten | Thunder_Child: ^ |
| 04:42.28 | Thunder_Child | A single point of failure bringing the enitre thing down seems like a bad thing. |
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| 04:44.16 | Trela | The idea is that maintenance is supposed to prevent these things from happening. :P |
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| 04:57.10 | pompy | Torhal: You may have scared him off again, time shall see, hmm! lol. |
| 05:00.23 | Torhal | Heh. |
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| 05:06.49 | Primer | I did not think getting keepass2 to save a website u/p and have it auto type it would be such a pain in the ass |
| 05:14.54 | Primer | So whoever turned me on to keepass here...what's the secret? |
| 05:15.07 | Mr_Rabies | it was probably jleclanche |
| 05:16.30 | kd3|hate`net | before you hit ctrl+v in keepass, focus the username input field in your browser, then click on keepass and hit ctrl+v |
| 05:16.48 | kd3 | kp does the equivalent of alt+shift+tab and starts typing immediately |
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| 05:17.49 | Primer | thanks |
| 05:18.27 | Primer | uhh yeah |
| 05:18.30 | Primer | that's not doing anything |
| 05:18.59 | kd3 | keepass is unlocked and you've got the right entry selected, right? |
| 05:20.07 | Primer | sec |
| 05:21.45 | Primer | I'm setting this up for my daughter's machine |
| 05:21.48 | Primer | over vnc |
| 05:21.53 | Primer | while doing 2's |
| 05:22.12 | kd3 | oh, uh, if you're doing it over vnc you'll want to slow down the keypress entry rate |
| 05:22.28 | Primer | I want to _create_ an entry |
| 05:22.30 | Primer | not use one |
| 05:22.59 | kd3 | entries->add new entry |
| 05:24.01 | Primer | but how do I tell it it's to go to mozilla for auto type? |
| 05:24.11 | Primer | when on that site? |
| 05:24.22 | Primer | for ctrl-alt-a |
| 05:25.46 | kd3 | if you want to force it to go a specific window (and not rely on alt+shift+tab working), in the entry edit field, if you click on tools (bottom left), one of the options should be select target window |
| 05:26.54 | kd3 | s/field/window/ |
| 05:26.58 | Primer | well, I can select that from auto type, but it seems to want to match the browser's title |
| 05:27.16 | kd3 | keepass doesn't know anything about browser tabs. you've gotta have the right tab selected |
| 05:28.17 | kd3 | it's an application-level tool. there are in-browser options if you want something with tab awareness |
| 05:28.29 | Primer | I don't trust lastpass any more |
| 05:29.14 | kd3 | that's fine. as long as you've got the right tab open in your browser when you trigger autotype, it should just work |
| 05:29.24 | Primer | that's what I can't get working |
| 05:29.34 | Primer | I want to go to the site, hit control-alt-a, and have it happen |
| 05:29.53 | Primer | not have to select anything in keepass |
| 05:30.00 | Primer | like how it works with origin and wow, for example |
| 05:31.14 | Primer | surely it can match on "mozilla firefox" + "name of site" |
| 05:31.38 | Primer | for the c-a-a auto type |
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| 05:41.25 | kd3 | http://kaydeethree.net/i/keepass-autotype.png |
| 05:41.39 | kd3 | the url field doesn't matter, the content of the notes field does |
| 05:41.53 | kd3 | (just tested it in my windows vm) |
| 05:43.02 | Primer | nice, thanks |
| 05:43.33 | Primer | so if you're in your browser and hit ctrl-alt-a, it just populates? |
| 05:43.41 | kd3 | yup |
| 05:43.55 | Primer | perfect |
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| 05:53.55 | Primer | I have a feeling ctrl-alt-a isn't getting through over vnc |
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| 06:04.09 | Primer | hrmm does spell reflect not show up as damage you do in the combat log? |
| 06:26.29 | nebula169 | not normally, shows up as a SPELL_MISSED (reflected) event |
| 06:27.04 | nebula169 | actually not sure how the damage is attributed |
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| 07:01.50 | kd3 | for a reflect, the player is both the source and the destination |
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| 07:30.45 | Mr_Rabies | kd3, i forget how often you go to nerdcons, are you planning on going to momocon in a few weeks here? |
| 07:30.56 | Mr_Rabies | actually, it's next weekend, geez |
| 07:30.59 | Mr_Rabies | not this, but next |
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| 07:45.30 | Sintacks | anyone know of a program that will show hte differences between two files |
| 07:45.40 | Sintacks | cuz i have a modified prat and i don't remember what i modified |
| 07:45.54 | Sintacks | and want to know if i need to keep the mod or update to latest |
| 07:45.56 | Sintacks | ;| |
| 07:46.02 | Sintacks | (highlight with answer cuz i go sleep nao) |
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| 07:47.17 | Mr_Rabies | dang it Sintacks was trying to figure out what OS and got [Sintacks VERSION reply]: What's an IRC? |
| 07:48.17 | Neffi | lol trolled. |
| 07:48.45 | Neffi | Sintacks: it's called a diff and a lot of good text editors either have one built in, or as a plugin |
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| 07:51.30 | jleclanche | Dagmar Arrowmaster: What is the $TERM env variable for, exactly? |
| 07:54.26 | nevcairiel | it identifies the capabilities of the shell window |
| 07:55.26 | nevcairiel | well, or rather thats what its used for |
| 07:56.15 | nevcairiel | it should map into /usr/lib/terminfo |
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| 08:14.11 | nebula169 | Sintacks: winmerge |
| 08:29.12 | Neffi | next.duckduckgo.com <- DDG got nice |
| 08:33.46 | Maldivia | I hate jetlag |
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| 08:56.02 | karl_w_w | http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/25imxu/dota_2_main_client_update_2_for_late_51314_51414/chhjwym |
| 09:01.08 | airtonix | Neffi: nou |
| 09:02.17 | Workfoz | karl_w_w: looks similar to mine |
| 09:08.15 | karl_w_w | ok it's not a competition |
| 09:10.41 | Neffi | airtonix: wtf |
| 09:10.55 | airtonix | inorite? |
| 09:11.06 | Neffi | >_> |
| 09:11.10 | airtonix | <_< |
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| 09:22.20 | augustl | mega off topic: anyone here happen to know where to find docs for making Wildstar addons? |
| 09:23.22 | karl_w_w | i didnt even know we had a topic |
| 09:24.15 | Neffi | karl_w_w: The topic is pastebin.com but I never see anybody discussing it |
| 09:26.15 | augustl | downloaded an addon, and it was a bunch of lua files, so there's that at least |
| 09:28.06 | nevcairiel | augustl: http://wildstarnasa.com/ |
| 09:37.15 | augustl | nevcairiel: hah, nice |
| 09:37.15 | augustl | thanks |
| 10:06.15 | airtonix | Neffi: pastebin is bad. |
| 10:06.22 | airtonix | only baddies use it |
| 10:06.40 | airtonix | Neffi: can we move offtopic now please thanks ? |
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| 11:38.37 | jleclanche | https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/57909/why-would-you-not-permit-q-or-z-in-passwords |
| 11:39.04 | jleclanche | "legacy issues": i go to check the website in question |
| 11:39.08 | jleclanche | /SRVS/CGI-BIN/webisapi.dll?New,Kb=askBlue,case=obj%28403864%29#s3 |
| 11:39.09 | jleclanche | oh yes. |
| 11:51.35 | airtonix | are you working on a project involving phones jleclanche? |
| 11:51.43 | jleclanche | no |
| 11:51.53 | airtonix | oh |
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| 11:52.00 | airtonix | i love silly password requirements |
| 11:52.49 | airtonix | just trying to think about scenarios other than "top secret" in which a project can justify actually storing passwords in its database |
| 11:53.12 | airtonix | and other than "because i'm paying for it" |
| 11:54.57 | airtonix | also: after all those hilarious restrictions on what can be in your password... what is the total amount of possible passwords? |
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| 11:55.28 | airtonix | must be : 24^20 ? |
| 11:55.31 | nevcairiel | usually still pretty high |
| 11:55.40 | airtonix | lua bot still here? |
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| 11:57.29 | airtonix | ok nevcairiel, you win this time |
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| 12:43.56 | Fisker | Lepeppeppy |
| 12:54.50 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, sir. |
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| 13:24.55 | alestane | Given that every time I update Flash Player, I select "Notify me to receive updates", it would be thoughtful of Adobe if their installer would remember that instead of pushing me every time to "Automatically update Flash Player." |
| 13:25.34 | Workfoz | the notification happens only on boot |
| 13:25.55 | Workfoz | so if there's an update available and you reboot, bam, notification |
| 13:30.57 | VIad | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10494573844#1 |
| 13:32.04 | Semlar | well that's annoying |
| 13:32.54 | Semlar | i hope they make it so you can toggle nameplates upon entering combat |
| 13:33.55 | VIad | I expect tons of errors with current nameplate addons :D |
| 13:35.12 | Semlar | they need to make it possible to do these in response to secure events |
| 13:36.15 | nevcairiel | you can of course do things upon entering combat, there is an event that lets you know combat is about to start, but before the lock down happens |
| 13:38.13 | Maldivia | hmm, is SetParent combat-locked? |
| 13:38.21 | Semlar | wait what |
| 13:38.24 | Semlar | what event |
| 13:39.16 | Workfoz | instance_encounter_engaged or what it's called |
| 13:39.42 | Semlar | that can't be what he's talking about |
| 13:39.52 | Maldivia | player_regen_disabled? |
| 13:40.08 | Semlar | does that actually fire before the lockdown starts? |
| 13:40.32 | Workfoz | it does |
| 13:40.39 | Workfoz | and it's what he's talking about |
| 13:41.01 | Semlar | which one |
| 13:41.03 | Workfoz | https://twitter.com/MysticalOS/status/466399749319700480 |
| 13:41.12 | Workfoz | ENCOUNTER_START and INSTANCE_ENCOUNTER_ENGAGE_UNIT |
| 13:41.12 | Semlar | because instance_encounter_engaged obviously doesn't fire every time you enter combat |
| 13:41.52 | Semlar | those events are only for boss fights |
| 13:42.01 | Workfoz | who cares about anything else |
| 13:42.01 | Workfoz | :p |
| 13:42.15 | Semlar | anyone who toggles nameplates in combat? |
| 13:42.43 | Workfoz | in combat? |
| 13:42.47 | Workfoz | or do you mean upon entering combat |
| 13:43.17 | Semlar | if you want your nameplates to automatically turn on when you enter combat |
| 13:43.29 | Semlar | and not have it restricted to specific boss encounters |
| 13:44.01 | Semlar | it would make sense to be able to toggle them from the restricted environment |
| 13:44.51 | Semlar | the only reason they're making it so you can't toggle them in combat right now is so you can't treat them as booleans to get unsecure data into the restricted environment |
| 13:45.19 | Workfoz | is that what that addon did, Stanzilla? |
| 13:46.55 | Maldivia | Semlar: or how about having everything not parented to UIParent except some button you need to hit on the right time, and then changing uiScale, so only that button would change size? |
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| 13:48.44 | Semlar | if you have to hit the button yourself you can already execute secure code |
| 13:49.32 | zenzio | FFS... trying to adjust a wordpress theme for a customer. The theme is one the customer chose from a template site, and I'm just modifying it |
| 13:50.04 | zenzio | apparently the whole thing uses the LESS crap. I call it crap, because I can't for the life of me find out why it keeps reintroducing a font name no matter how much I nuke it |
| 13:50.15 | zenzio | grep -i finds no reference at all to the other font |
| 13:50.40 | nevcairiel | you guys all suck, the event is PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED and it fires right before the combat lockdown goes into effect, so you can do any secure stuff that needs to be done right before combat |
| 13:50.53 | Semlar | that's what i was asking |
| 13:51.23 | harl | we all suck! |
| 13:51.28 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: as I already pointed out :P |
| 13:51.47 | nevcairiel | and yes Maldivia, SetParent is combat protected for protected frames, as you could use it to hide frames by reparenting them to a hidden frame |
| 13:52.27 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: I assumed so about SetParent, but for some reason, never tried it :) |
| 13:53.03 | Semlar | zenzio: doesn't less just compile into css |
| 13:53.15 | zenzio | yes |
| 13:53.24 | Semlar | you can't just edit the css file? |
| 13:53.32 | zenzio | it overwrites it |
| 13:53.38 | Semlar | in wordpress? |
| 13:53.43 | zenzio | yes |
| 13:53.45 | karl_w_w | editing css is for peons |
| 13:53.51 | zenzio | could be the theme itself doing it, I wouldn't know |
| 13:54.28 | Semlar | how do you know what font to look for |
| 13:54.42 | Semlar | inspecting the element? |
| 13:55.17 | zenzio | that, and just plain looking at the generated CSS |
| 13:55.44 | Semlar | are you sure the theme doesn't let you manually set the font in the theme options |
| 13:55.56 | Semlar | it could be storing that font in the database |
| 13:56.47 | zenzio | not in the UI as far as I can see... but it's a big mess. Should go through it again I guess |
| 13:57.07 | zenzio | I would be most unhappy if it actually read from the database |
| 13:57.26 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.53 | Semlar | this is built into one of the themes i was working on |
| 13:59.28 | Semlar | it also lets you add arbitrary css to it through the same panel |
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| 14:00.13 | Semlar | zenzioooo |
| 14:01.34 | zenzio_ | Semlarrrrr. Whereabouts in the settings do I find that area? I didn't quite recognize it |
| 14:01.49 | Semlar | it's created by the theme |
| 14:02.19 | Semlar | like in the admin panel it adds its own item to the menu |
| 14:02.38 | karl_w_w | today I learn that apple trees are in the same family as roses |
| 14:03.09 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.49 | Semlar | i have no idea if your theme has something similar |
| 14:04.08 | Semlar | it depends on how they made it |
| 14:04.19 | zenzio_ | doesn't look like it |
| 14:04.30 | zenzio_ | but you gave me an idea at least |
| 14:04.56 | Semlar | you can also try Customize under Appearance |
| 14:10.23 | zenzio_ | brilliant |
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| 14:10.51 | zenzio_ | it *was* under settings, but the name "oranienberg" never appeared anywhere on there |
| 14:10.56 | zenzio_ | despite being saved as that in the database |
| 14:11.42 | Semlar | sneaky |
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| 14:43.37 | Fisker | Good morning fräulein Lopeppeppy |
| 14:44.01 | Lopeppeppy | Bonjour, Fiskerboo. |
| 14:44.38 | Fisker | Bonjour :o |
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| 14:47.41 | Lopeppeppy | Oh my god, I got you to speak it! *giggles madly* |
| 14:48.59 | Fisker | Do you think this is a game? |
| 14:49.20 | Lopeppeppy | Everything is a game. |
| 14:49.23 | Fisker | cool |
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| 16:21.32 | jleclanche | anyone here have an Astro A50? |
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| 16:27.14 | TC-Work | I thought we talked about this one. |
| 16:29.45 | Maldivia | oh that reminds me, I need to get some new in-ear-headphones... forgot mine on a plane on Monday :( |
| 16:32.46 | Unkle | I hate leaving stuff on a plane. You can't even make a good "Snakes on a Plane" joke out of it, and the stuff is essentially gone forever. |
| 16:34.35 | TC-Work | Unless you leave a snake on a plane? |
| 16:37.03 | Unkle | And then it's gone forever... |
| 16:38.48 | TC-Work | Well it is a snake, so that sounds like a win-win. |
| 16:39.40 | Unkle | I used to keep an snake as a pet. Reptiles are interesting pets. |
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| 17:48.36 | MysticalOS | workfoz, i only change nameplates for boss fights, that info i posted is relevant only to me |
| 17:49.02 | MysticalOS | although people are saying, if you change nameplates RIGHT on PLAYER_REGEN, it still works |
| 17:49.08 | MysticalOS | Combatlockdown has a split delay |
| 17:53.38 | Gnarfoz | I'm aware |
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| 18:32.09 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:32.13 | Fisker | Yes jleclanche |
| 18:33.13 | Lopeppeppy | Crazy! Commencement makes me crazy! |
| 18:33.34 | Fisker | :o |
| 18:33.45 | Fisker | Finally stepping into the ranks of the adults now? |
| 18:33.48 | Fisker | runs |
| 18:33.50 | Fisker | no headbonking |
| 18:35.49 | jleclanche | Fisker: you have an a50? |
| 18:35.55 | Fisker | yes |
| 18:36.04 | jleclanche | Fisker: how is it? |
| 18:36.11 | Fisker | It's good |
| 18:36.23 | Fisker | though |
| 18:36.26 | jleclanche | well i guess we're done here then |
| 18:36.28 | Fisker | nah |
| 18:36.33 | Fisker | one big caveat :P |
| 18:36.40 | jleclanche | mini usb i know |
| 18:36.45 | Fisker | no not that either |
| 18:36.54 | Fisker | I'm not sure if they have fixed it in newer hardware revisions |
| 18:37.15 | Fisker | but I found out there's noise in the speakers when the mic is deployed |
| 18:37.17 | Fisker | :( |
| 18:37.28 | jleclanche | yes thats probably intentional |
| 18:37.38 | Fisker | hmm |
| 18:37.39 | jleclanche | a lot of over-the-ear gaming headphones do that |
| 18:37.44 | Fisker | no? |
| 18:37.46 | jleclanche | yeah |
| 18:37.57 | Fisker | Why would you do that intentionally? |
| 18:38.03 | jleclanche | the corsair 2100 and the logitech g930 both do it |
| 18:38.04 | Fisker | Anyway latest firmware says it was improved |
| 18:38.06 | Fisker | Improved A50 mic audio quality. |
| 18:38.06 | Fisker | Improved A50 mic noise gate. |
| 18:38.08 | jleclanche | so that you dont yell into your microphone |
| 18:38.15 | Fisker | Their previous models didn't |
| 18:38.20 | jleclanche | Fisker: please read this and tell me if the a50 is something i want: https://plus.google.com/+JeromeLeclanche/posts/W2jYxmGJMyg |
| 18:38.21 | Fisker | wat |
| 18:38.23 | Fisker | how does that work |
| 18:39.20 | Fisker | that's like several harry potters worth of text jleclanche |
| 18:39.28 | Gnarfoz | noise in the headset when mic is unmuted? what |
| 18:39.40 | Gnarfoz | I certainly don't have that on my Sennheiser, why would I want that |
| 18:39.55 | jleclanche | because gaming headsets do it, not senns |
| 18:39.59 | Gnarfoz | uhm. |
| 18:40.02 | Gnarfoz | PC 360 G4ME |
| 18:40.03 | jleclanche | its so that you can hear yourself speak |
| 18:40.12 | Fisker | huh? |
| 18:40.14 | Gnarfoz | why would I want to hear myself speak |
| 18:40.24 | Fisker | I don't mean the audio is passed to the speakers |
| 18:40.27 | jleclanche | im not defending the feature im explaining it |
| 18:40.32 | Fisker | I mean actual static |
| 18:40.35 | jleclanche | ah. |
| 18:40.37 | jleclanche | thats a thing. |
| 18:40.49 | jleclanche | either way, you'll read the wall of text and you'll fucking enjoy it |
| 18:41.02 | Fisker | ok |
| 18:41.05 | Fisker | :( |
| 18:41.08 | Gnarfoz | ok, I meant the static thing, we can all agree that's stupid |
| 18:41.15 | Gnarfoz | but I still don't understand the thing you were thinking of |
| 18:41.26 | Fisker | Well it's not static static |
| 18:41.27 | jleclanche | hold on Gnarfoz |
| 18:41.28 | jleclanche | https://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 18:41.30 | Fisker | it's like |
| 18:41.34 | jleclanche | we dont ALL agree yet. |
| 18:41.50 | Gnarfoz | randall doesn't? |
| 18:41.56 | Gnarfoz | I don't give a fuck about Randall! :p |
| 18:41.58 | Fisker | like the noise capacitator whine does |
| 18:42.11 | Fisker | it does that for like a split second every couple of seconds |
| 18:42.13 | Fisker | or at least did |
| 18:42.18 | Fisker | can't reproduce it now |
| 18:42.25 | Fisker | but haven't used the mic in ages now |
| 18:42.42 | Gnarfoz | that sounds weird, but jleclanche's thing sounded more like they intentionally pipe the mic input onto the earphones |
| 18:42.52 | Gnarfoz | (at what volume level?) |
| 18:43.24 | jleclanche | a very low level |
| 18:43.35 | jleclanche | but if you blow your mic, i mean blow on your mic, you can hear it |
| 18:43.52 | TC-Work | ~lart jleclanche |
| 18:43.52 | purl | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, jleclanche, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 18:44.01 | Fisker | It could just be it was something I noticed when I first got it |
| 18:44.08 | jleclanche | unfortunately appropriate, TC-Work |
| 18:44.09 | Gnarfoz | well, not on this model, that's all I can say about that |
| 18:44.10 | Fisker | and then it was fixed in the firmware update and I never bothered to check it again |
| 18:44.45 | Gnarfoz | installs a firmware update on Torhal |
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| 18:46.24 | Fisker | I'm not sure how helpful I can be anyway, since I don't even use mine wirelessly |
| 18:46.30 | Fisker | It serves no purpose for me :P |
| 18:49.59 | Fisker | So battery time = no clue |
| 18:50.15 | Fisker | And I don't know if you can like put the shit in high performance mode or something |
| 18:50.28 | Fisker | but with my setup I didn't get much further than like 5 meters before it started losing audio |
| 18:51.14 | Fisker | The headset is really comfortable, lots of rooms for my ears, though I haven't really had them for long enough time to see how they fare for 8 hours on a hot summer day |
| 18:52.13 | Fisker | I experience that the setting on my headset seem to drift a bit over time, so I have to fit it to my head again after a month or so |
| 18:52.32 | Fisker | That's pretty much to the extent I use it |
| 18:53.04 | Fisker | oh and the volume wheel is like a cruel motherfucker, not sure if you can use the button on the side for that though |
| 18:53.25 | Fisker | in terms of fast turning up and down |
| 18:53.34 | TC-Work | jleclanche: I don't want to know at all. |
| 18:56.53 | Fisker | I wonder if they plan on having Blizzard around for Google IO |
| 18:57.13 | Fisker | with the Nexus 8 supposedly launching around then, that would be a cool marketing gimmick |
| 18:59.54 | Torhal | transfers Gnarfoz to a new chassis. |
| 18:59.57 | Fisker | hey Torhal |
| 19:00.00 | Fisker | I don't hate you |
| 19:00.07 | Torhal | hey Fisker |
| 19:00.13 | Torhal | I'm not aiming a sniper rifle at your groin. |
| 19:00.44 | zenzelezz | ... yet |
| 19:00.50 | Fisker | why not? |
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| 19:12.58 | Unkle | Torhal: Barret Arm light .50? |
| 19:13.29 | Torhal | Unkle: Whatever works! |
| 19:23.02 | TC-Work | Love me a good Barret. |
| 19:24.09 | TC-Work | I read that they came out with a new one that used smaller caliber rounds but had the same stopping power as the .50 |
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| 19:40.46 | zenzelezz | so, I was looking to have a poster printed, and went and checked out a few sites. Most only allowed standard sizes, which doesn't work for me since my picture is 16:9. Of the two I did find that let you do custom, one was only for members of their university, the other... had a 404 when trying to move on from the cart, and their support e-mail returned instantly with "failed permanently: message reje |
| 19:40.46 | zenzelezz | cted by Google Groups". Sigh |
| 19:42.26 | zenzelezz | I guess I could pad the picture to "normal" poster proportions |
| 19:43.00 | TC-Work | Go to a printing shop? |
| 19:43.51 | zenzelezz | might have to. Not too many in town, and I think most primarily do business prints, but can't hurt |
| 19:44.09 | zenzelezz | was trying this first to see if they could give me any real guidelines for resolution vs. size, etc |
| 20:15.03 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/k54RoXI.png |
| 20:37.42 | jleclanche | Fisker: basically im growing more and more disappointed in the corsair 2100 |
| 20:37.50 | jleclanche | its good, but exactly not good enough |
| 20:37.56 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 20:37.57 | jleclanche | the range needs like 5 meters more |
| 20:38.06 | jleclanche | the battery needs like 2 hours more |
| 20:38.18 | Neffi | What kind of range do you get? |
| 20:38.19 | nevcairiel | use a cable, solve both problems! |
| 20:38.33 | jleclanche | Neffi: roughly 10 meters, and terrible reception in other rooms |
| 20:38.44 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: i have to be able to walk around the house with this |
| 20:38.52 | nevcairiel | wireless headsets arent designed for this |
| 20:39.02 | Neffi | Build a custom antennae for it |
| 20:39.04 | jleclanche | er |
| 20:39.12 | nevcairiel | not the gaming headsets anyway |
| 20:39.13 | jleclanche | yes they are; every headset i tried worked perfectly around the house |
| 20:39.19 | jleclanche | hell the g930 worked in my garage |
| 20:39.22 | jleclanche | thats five rooms away |
| 20:39.23 | nevcairiel | obviously you lied |
| 20:39.31 | nevcairiel | since you just complained that one doesnt |
| 20:39.59 | TC-Work | I think he said the 2100 didn't |
| 20:40.05 | jleclanche | no, Im just not willing to call the corsair 2100 a real headset. |
| 20:40.05 | jleclanche | BAM |
| 20:40.28 | jleclanche | (sure is a good thing we both read Smartassing for Dummies, huh nevcairiel?) |
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| 20:46.09 | nevcairiel | i would buy my current headset as wireless, but they dont build it wireless, and i don't want to get used to a new one since it fits really nicely, so there! |
| 20:47.46 | TC-Work | jleclanche: You 'have' to walk around the house like that? |
| 20:48.17 | jleclanche | yes, I have to |
| 20:50.43 | TC-Work | ... |
| 20:51.07 | Mr_Rabies | whoa, ESO doesn't have an Auction House? |
| 20:51.10 | jleclanche | TC-Work: do you have a problem with my requirements? |
| 20:52.19 | Neffi | Mr_Rabies: Only guild storefronts |
| 20:52.23 | TC-Work | jleclanche: Potentially. |
| 20:53.04 | jleclanche | TC-Work: why? |
| 20:53.04 | Neffi | That's why you can join 5(?) guilds. They want to encourage a more social approach to trading, and grant communities (via guilds) to approach the market like companies |
| 20:53.27 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think there's an mmo out there i want to play less than ESO |
| 20:54.02 | Neffi | My thoughts after a couple rounds in the beta. It's very generic MMO with TES lore slapped on top. |
| 20:54.26 | nevcairiel | feedback i read was pretty underwhelming |
| 20:54.36 | Mr_Rabies | i don't even like the other TES games soooooo |
| 20:55.07 | jleclanche | I can't play EVE because fuck spreadsheets, and I can't play wildstar because fuck gcc 4.9 =( |
| 20:55.14 | jleclanche | ESO does not look good at all |
| 20:55.24 | Mr_Rabies | i think they're all generic with bland gameplay and copy/pasted worlds that seem huge but have no life other than the towns |
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| 20:55.35 | nevcairiel | just go back to another gcc already? i told you, gcc .0 is broken by design :P |
| 20:55.56 | Neffi | The dungeons are usually good. The story in TES is very good. But to each his own |
| 20:56.12 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: harder than it sounds, I need gcc multilib. all the prepackaged gccs are the non-multilib ones |
| 20:56.21 | jleclanche | unless |
| 20:56.30 | jleclanche | does wildstar have a 64 bit client? |
| 20:56.34 | Mr_Rabies | i'd read the book if i wanted story and no gameplay in my game |
| 20:56.40 | nevcairiel | you must've had a gcc before you switched to 4.9 :P |
| 20:56.49 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: arch, rolling release etc |
| 20:56.54 | Neffi | Meh. The gameplay's not that bad. Especially if you like sneaking and puzzles. |
| 20:56.58 | Mr_Rabies | i usually just buy bethesda games when the modding community has taken off and then goof around with spider-man mudcrabs and shit |
| 20:57.01 | nevcairiel | if arch switched to gcc 4.9.0, i would find a new distribution |
| 20:57.11 | nevcairiel | its known to have serious issues compiling a lot of things |
| 20:57.23 | nevcairiel | and it was known the day it was released |
| 20:57.43 | Neffi | Sounds like you should switch to a new compiler :P |
| 20:57.43 | jleclanche | http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2014-04/msg00196.html |
| 20:57.52 | Neffi | Don't blame the messenger for the shit he talks |
| 20:58.01 | jleclanche | 4.9.1 planned for july-august :/ |
| 20:58.04 | nevcairiel | thats their usual release cycle |
| 20:58.07 | nevcairiel | not unexpected |
| 20:58.13 | jleclanche | yeah but still |
| 20:58.20 | nevcairiel | anyone with any experience with gcc just learned to skip the .0 releases |
| 20:58.33 | nevcairiel | its their way of beta |
| 20:58.34 | Neffi | Then their release cycle is insane and you should tell them to stop being fucks |
| 20:58.43 | TC-Work | jleclanche: Because if it was work related you would get a proper headset. So I can only assume this is a 'want'. |
| 20:58.45 | Mr_Rabies | it feels like the gameplay's just there to make you feel marginally involved in the game instead of being the focus |
| 20:58.49 | Mr_Rabies | and i just don't like games like that |
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| 20:59.01 | jleclanche | TC-Work: this is life related. i work at home. a headset is something i wear the entire day |
| 20:59.21 | Neffi | That's not an unfair assessment. Like I said, to each his own. Some games do it poorly. I think TES pulls it off well. I love Skyrim |
| 20:59.36 | Mr_Rabies | the * souls series does everything i want from a game like skyrim |
| 21:01.46 | kd3 | ah, rain |
| 21:02.04 | kd3 | wonders if his uplink's going to flood out again |
| 21:02.11 | Mr_Rabies | the Souls games literally do everything right that i felt i hated from Morrowind/Oblivion |
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| 21:02.49 | TC-Work | http://i.imgur.com/DSvfoEV.jpg |
| 21:03.05 | kd3 | haha |
| 21:03.23 | Gnarfoz | hehehe |
| 21:03.31 | jleclanche | nice |
| 21:04.07 | Mr_Rabies | also dark souls 2 has a talking cat vendor |
| 21:04.15 | Mr_Rabies | not a khajit, a freakin' cat |
| 21:04.31 | Neffi | Khajiits are cats |
| 21:04.45 | Mr_Rabies | http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140406000152/darksouls/images/f/fa/Sweet_shalquoir.png |
| 21:04.50 | Neffi | Their growth cycles depends upon the alignments of the two moons upon their birth. Many khajiits literally grow into house cats |
| 21:04.52 | Mr_Rabies | khajits are weird cat people |
| 21:05.08 | Neffi | They may also grow into big ass tigers, or very human looking people |
| 21:05.31 | Neffi | In fact, house cats are not trustworthy in Tamriel because you never know if it's a khajiit spy |
| 21:05.52 | Mr_Rabies | best concept art in a dark souls game ever http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140406003101/darksouls/images/b/b6/Shalquoir_artwork.jpg |
| 21:06.38 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: fuck this shit im gonna try wildstar on windows instead |
| 21:06.43 | Neffi | It's been debated about their origins, but they appear to have developed from literal cats, and given intelligence and bipedal movement by the gods (the two moons) |
| 21:06.55 | Neffi | their gods* |
| 21:07.00 | Mr_Rabies | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy9TfN24vW8 |
| 21:07.13 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: you could try downloading it on Windows, then using the downloaded result on Linux again ;) |
| 21:07.31 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: yes that's likely what i will do if i like it |
| 21:07.33 | Gnarfoz | (and repeat the procedure when they patch) |
| 21:07.41 | jleclanche | nah that wont be needed |
| 21:07.47 | Gnarfoz | it won't? |
| 21:07.52 | jleclanche | the problem is in the installer |
| 21:07.53 | kd3 | whee, 28% done with the wildstar download |
| 21:07.58 | Neffi | Mr_Rabies: cute heh |
| 21:08.07 | kd3 | streaming client, I miss you already |
| 21:08.16 | Gnarfoz | maybe they just made them look similar, but I got the impression the installer is the same as the launcher |
| 21:08.17 | Mr_Rabies | Shalquoir owns |
| 21:08.23 | Neffi | Inigo owns |
| 21:08.26 | jleclanche | its too long to explain |
| 21:08.30 | Mr_Rabies | montoya? |
| 21:08.31 | Neffi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf4AWJA7SVw |
| 21:08.37 | jleclanche | basically, wine gecko breaks in gcc 4.9 :/ |
| 21:08.53 | kd3 | s/wine gecko/*/ |
| 21:09.00 | Gnarfoz | kd3: what you're really missing is proper internet :D |
| 21:09.01 | jleclanche | wine in general is fine |
| 21:09.05 | jleclanche | its a very specific issue |
| 21:09.21 | kd3 | that's what I get for living out in the sticks, dependent on dsl |
| 21:09.28 | kd3 | can't wait to move |
| 21:09.33 | jleclanche | https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36453 |
| 21:09.34 | jleclanche | https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36139 |
| 21:09.58 | Gnarfoz | I don't quite know what the deal is with americans and preconceptions about DSL and cable |
| 21:10.12 | Gnarfoz | probably another "because the country is huge as fuck" issue |
| 21:10.17 | kd3 | it wouldn't be so bad if I could get something faster than 1.5/128 |
| 21:10.29 | Gnarfoz | yes, but cable has longer reach than dsl |
| 21:10.32 | Gnarfoz | why is there no cable? |
| 21:10.45 | Mr_Rabies | inigo seems pretty rad |
| 21:10.53 | kd3 | because I live too far from the road and they want to charge well north of $1000 to string a line |
| 21:11.20 | Gnarfoz | sounds like the pain you've been suffering over the years would have been well worth that by now |
| 21:11.26 | Neffi | He really is. I hate using followers in Skyrim, but I love having him around |
| 21:11.31 | Mr_Rabies | geez, the game seems a lot better with inigo |
| 21:11.45 | Gnarfoz | too far from the road means you live on a huge property? |
| 21:11.47 | Neffi | He's quite a good follower strength wise. Perfect for a stealthy type |
| 21:11.53 | kd3 | meh. probably, but then I've only got a few months left here |
| 21:11.58 | kd3 | 7ish acres |
| 21:12.04 | Gnarfoz | *converts to something sane* |
| 21:12.07 | Mr_Rabies | the ES games have always felt so stiff with so little humor other than little bits and pieces |
| 21:12.17 | kd3 | ~3 hectares |
| 21:12.25 | Neffi | Yeah, I love Inigo for bringing some much needed comic relief |
| 21:12.33 | Neffi | That's the only fault of their storytelling |
| 21:12.42 | Mr_Rabies | it's so dry |
| 21:12.50 | Mr_Rabies | and the npc interaction is still really awkward |
| 21:13.00 | Neffi | A bit, but meh. Mods improve it |
| 21:13.04 | Mr_Rabies | everyone feels so cardboard because the animations suck |
| 21:13.27 | Gnarfoz | kd3: I see... shame they didn't do that when it was built, then :| DSL is the worst tech to use for long-range, but I guess it's still better than analog/isdn :D |
| 21:13.33 | Neffi | Incosequential NPCs makes Riften more realistic. You can find homeless adicts outside the ratways that will "relieve your stress" for some coin. And other stuff. It makes the game more immersive |
| 21:13.35 | Mr_Rabies | two people come shuffling from across town outside of view of each other, meet at a random point and have an awkward conversation about nothing, then do a 180 in place and walk off |
| 21:15.44 | Gnarfoz | kd3: moving out of the sticks, then? good for you :D |
| 21:15.58 | kd3 | that's the plan |
| 21:15.59 | Gnarfoz | come join us in fast internet country \o/ |
| 21:17.28 | Unkle | Sadly, not even living "not in the sticks" is a surety of good connectivity. |
| 21:17.52 | Maldivia | unless they upgrade the hardward in this building, I'm not getting higher speeds :( |
| 21:17.58 | Mr_Rabies | oh that reminds me |
| 21:18.03 | Maldivia | so I'm stuck on 100/100 |
| 21:18.16 | Mr_Rabies | kd3: you planning on going to momocon next weekend? |
| 21:18.39 | kd3 | don't think so, family stuff's come up, I've gotta be in nashville |
| 21:18.49 | Mr_Rabies | ah |
| 21:19.11 | Mr_Rabies | i'll probably be there for a day like last year |
| 21:19.13 | Unkle | I live right next to downtown in my city, and the best the telcos can offer me is 3mbps down/1.5 up. Too much ancient copper in the area. Might get better from cable but that involves a contract with Comcast, and I hate them. |
| 21:19.26 | Mr_Rabies | i literally can only get AT&T |
| 21:19.35 | Mr_Rabies | (other than satellite, but that doesn't count) |
| 21:19.54 | Maldivia | Unkle: wait till Google comes by with som fiber ? |
| 21:20.14 | Unkle | The sad thing? I can get 6mbps on my fucking AT&T cell phone at the house, but not from their wired service. |
| 21:20.36 | Mr_Rabies | i don't even get cell service at my house :( |
| 21:20.40 | Unkle | Maldivia: I guess. It'll be a long wait I think. |
| 21:20.51 | foxlit | out of interest, what do you poor US people pay for your cellphone/data service, and how much do you get for that money? |
| 21:21.19 | Unkle | My crappy internet service from AT&T is $45/month. |
| 21:21.23 | Mr_Rabies | i pay about $46 USD for 6Mbit DSL |
| 21:21.29 | Mr_Rabies | from ATT as well |
| 21:21.35 | foxlit | (mobiles!) |
| 21:21.48 | kd3 | ~60ish for unlimited talk/text/1gig of data at 4g speeds (+whatever at 2g) |
| 21:21.56 | foxlit | Yikes. |
| 21:22.08 | Mr_Rabies | mobile is $70/mo for me with 250 minutes a month and 250 texts a month, "unlimited" data |
| 21:22.15 | Unkle | My cell plan is $100/month but I have an old "unlimited data" plan - keep it precludes me from switching to any other cell plan. |
| 21:22.38 | Mr_Rabies | and i don't get cell service at my house |
| 21:22.40 | Unkle | s/keep/keeping |
| 21:22.56 | Mr_Rabies | i had an att microcell (a femtocell) but it broke |
| 21:23.03 | Mr_Rabies | ethernet died in it i think |
| 21:23.31 | Mr_Rabies | can't open it because it triggers a killswitch that wipes the ROM i think |
| 21:23.38 | Gnarfoz | rofl |
| 21:23.39 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 21:23.39 | Maldivia | 12€/month for 3hours of talk (to all of northern europe), 3gb full-speed data (lower speed above that) |
| 21:23.42 | Mr_Rabies | yup |
| 21:23.43 | Unkle | I'm seriously considering switching to cable even though it's Comcast. |
| 21:24.09 | Mr_Rabies | comcast is no worse than at&t |
| 21:24.20 | foxlit | for reference, ~20$ corresponds to 9 hours, 3GB LTE data (throttled beyond that), unlimited texts here. |
| 21:24.21 | Mr_Rabies | they're two sides of the same coin, but comcast has faster internet service |
| 21:24.51 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: :( |
| 21:25.08 | Gnarfoz | Germany is a lot more expensive |
| 21:25.23 | Mr_Rabies | comcast do like to drill holes in your wall (in terrible places) |
| 21:25.24 | Mr_Rabies | so |
| 21:25.34 | Mr_Rabies | if you do switch, be there when they're installing cables |
| 21:25.57 | Gnarfoz | where else would you be (and how would they install anything without someone there :O) |
| 21:26.06 | foxlit | and UK pay-as-you-go seems to be ~16$ for 1GB, 400 texts, 100 minutes, which seems rather meh. |
| 21:26.27 | Mr_Rabies | i mean like |
| 21:26.31 | Mr_Rabies | make sure you personally are there |
| 21:26.46 | Mr_Rabies | not your roommates or whoever |
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| 21:27.12 | Unkle | I live alone. Safer for everyone that way. |
| 21:27.21 | Mr_Rabies | it's almost impossible to have service for under $100 if you're including data in there foxlit |
| 21:27.26 | Mr_Rabies | in the US |
| 21:27.36 | foxlit | but that’s ridiculous :( |
| 21:27.39 | Mr_Rabies | the only way to do that is shared plans and stuff |
| 21:27.48 | kd3 | monopolies are great, aren't tehy? |
| 21:27.54 | Mr_Rabies | data is usually $20-30 depending on allowance |
| 21:28.13 | Mr_Rabies | oh and |
| 21:28.40 | Mr_Rabies | limited text plans (or no text plans, at about $0.50 a text) also include received texts in that number |
| 21:28.48 | Mr_Rabies | so 250 texts a month means 250 sent and received total |
| 21:28.58 | Esamynn|work | eeww |
| 21:29.09 | Unkle | There are ways to get service for less, but it usually has patchy coverage and ratchets up in cost if you go over certain limits. |
| 21:29.21 | Gnarfoz | "unlimited texts" is so pointless when you have data oO |
| 21:29.36 | Gnarfoz | also, grrrr prime mobs |
| 21:29.38 | Mr_Rabies | data and texts are totally different here |
| 21:29.45 | Gnarfoz | what do you mean? |
| 21:30.02 | foxlit | I think that in recognition of that, every cell phone operator here gave up and included unlimited texts in everything but the pay-pennies-for-everything-you-use plans. |
| 21:30.03 | Gnarfoz | I meant that as soon as you have data, you can just use something other than SMS to communicate anyway |
| 21:30.15 | Unkle | Gnarfoz: You'd think so. But in the US, women in my dating range apparently LOVE them some SMS. |
| 21:30.22 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 21:30.26 | Gnarfoz | what :( |
| 21:30.33 | Gnarfoz | also lol, nameplate addon exploded |
| 21:30.51 | kd3 | it's crazy. my parents send out more texts than I do |
| 21:30.55 | Mr_Rabies | most people i know send thousands and thousands of texts a month |
| 21:31.01 | Gnarfoz | o_o |
| 21:31.04 | Unkle | I shit you not. I got the "unlimited texting" addon to my account because women seemed to prefer to txt than any other means of communication. |
| 21:31.16 | Mr_Rabies | it's convenient if you have service |
| 21:31.32 | Gnarfoz | it's no more or less convenient than, say, whatsapp oo |
| 21:31.44 | Mr_Rabies | universal messaging that doesn't require any installation or other knowledge |
| 21:31.46 | Gnarfoz | well, the one thing it has going for it: you don't need a smartphone |
| 21:31.51 | Mr_Rabies | it just works between all platforms |
| 21:31.58 | kd3 | whatsapp never really made inroads to the greater public here in the states |
| 21:32.07 | Gnarfoz | but then, I don't communicate with random people who might not have such things |
| 21:32.10 | Mr_Rabies | i use whatsapp to talk to my guildies outside of wow |
| 21:32.12 | Mr_Rabies | but that's it |
| 21:32.29 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: what class are you again |
| 21:32.36 | Unkle | I don't have it installed. |
| 21:32.40 | kd3 | I'd wager most people heard of it in the facebook acquisition |
| 21:32.46 | kd3 | and not a moment before |
| 21:32.48 | Mr_Rabies | also yeah there's that |
| 21:33.05 | Gnarfoz | talk about "foreign" ^^ |
| 21:33.23 | Gnarfoz | that's just an unimaginable situation, so different |
| 21:33.45 | Mr_Rabies | whatsapp requires someone else to have installed it, have proper data to be reliable, etc |
| 21:34.02 | Gnarfoz | "proper data to be reliable"? |
| 21:34.04 | Gnarfoz | meaning what |
| 21:34.09 | Gnarfoz | if you have internet access, it works |
| 21:34.10 | Mr_Rabies | texts seem to be way more reliable than push messages through say, whatsapp |
| 21:34.19 | kd3 | 4g service that isn't flaky |
| 21:34.24 | kd3 | s/4g/data/ |
| 21:34.33 | Gnarfoz | uh |
| 21:34.36 | Gnarfoz | it either works or it doesn't |
| 21:34.40 | Gnarfoz | there is no flaky inbetween |
| 21:34.47 | foxlit | you should meet my phone. |
| 21:34.54 | Esamynn|work | Gnarfoz: O_o |
| 21:34.54 | Gnarfoz | your phone is not a data service \o/ |
| 21:35.17 | foxlit | My phone claims it has a data service, then hangs for 40 seconds thinking about how to connect to google. |
| 21:35.49 | Gnarfoz | while I would blame stuff like that on your network operator |
| 21:36.18 | Esamynn|work | Gnarfoz: thank you cpt. obvious |
| 21:36.23 | Gnarfoz | whatsapp has visual indicators (like SMS can do, but it's not enabled by default on most phones) that tell you in what state a message is |
| 21:36.42 | Gnarfoz | Esamynn|work: yes? |
| 21:37.07 | Esamynn|work | ~poke Gnarfoz |
| 21:37.07 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Gnarfoz, pokes Gnarfoz repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 21:37.17 | Gnarfoz | poor tree :( |
| 21:37.18 | Gnarfoz | you monster! |
| 21:37.27 | foxlit | nah, it’s a fair point. A remote service will tell you whether it received your message, and probably also that it delivered it. |
| 21:37.51 | Esamynn|work | Gnarfoz: don't yell at purl like that! |
| 21:37.53 | Esamynn|work | ~botsnack |
| 21:37.53 | purl | :), Esamynn|work |
| 21:37.54 | foxlit | I’m just annoyed that the data connection isn’t actually rock solid, despite all the bars and 4G indicators. |
| 21:38.28 | Gnarfoz | my operator sometimes does that, too, their backhaul is either overloaded or just plain bad in such moments; but it's mostly on 3G |
| 21:38.37 | Esamynn|work | and you've been using cellular data for how long now? |
| 21:38.42 | Gnarfoz | LTE is IP end to end, haven't had it happen there, yet |
| 21:39.12 | Esamynn|work | hell... you want rock solid... get a wire |
| 21:40.39 | Unkle | Esamynn|work: well played. |
| 21:41.21 | foxlit | Unkle: boo. |
| 21:41.51 | Unkle | I was wondering how long it would take someone to make the connection. |
| 21:42.23 | kd3 | in other news, those of you who are aware of the "A Bigger Bag" achievement, https://twitter.com/nite_moogle/status/466651340924784641 |
| 21:43.24 | Gnarfoz | I'm still surprised each time I see them, there's at least 3 EJ or EJB people working on WoW these days |
| 21:44.45 | foxlit | enterprise javabeans? |
| 21:45.08 | Gnarfoz | (yes) |
| 21:45.21 | Gnarfoz | EJ benefactors |
| 21:45.32 | Mr_Rabies | erotic jamaican bakery? |
| 21:45.45 | Gnarfoz | you wish |
| 21:48.35 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.51 | kd3 | nods |
| 21:49.46 | Mr_Rabies | definitely doesn't seem like my cup of tea |
| 21:50.14 | Mr_Rabies | shows about NEETs that aren't Welcome to the NHK or Genshiken just don't really work for me |
| 21:51.16 | kd3 | after the first episode, it plays more like Mondaiji-tachi |
| 21:51.37 | kd3 | sure, they're still NEETs, but they're not in their room the whole episode |
| 21:51.42 | Gnarfoz | I totally know what you're talking about |
| 21:53.12 | Mr_Rabies | i'm watching ping pong and captain earth this season |
| 21:53.30 | Mr_Rabies | captain earth is...okay and ping pong is nuts but it's hard following samurai flamenco and Kill La Kill |
| 21:53.43 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.49 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:54.08 | Mr_Rabies | it's basically star driver meets heroman, but not as bonkers as star driver |
| 21:54.11 | Mr_Rabies | yet |
| 21:54.22 | kd3 | meh, BB's kinda taking itself too seriously. brynhildr realizes it's a farce, which makes it hilarious |
| 21:54.52 | Mr_Rabies | also trying to get into kamen rider gaim and it's okay but i really miss Fourze |
| 21:54.53 | Mr_Rabies | :( |
| 21:55.23 | Mr_Rabies | if you guys ever have any desire to get into japanese superhero stuff, kamen rider fourze is the place to start |
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| 21:59.53 | Gnarfoz | lightning storm in Wildstar looks great |
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| 22:15.40 | TC-Work | Unkle: It's 102 in LA :( |
| 22:15.52 | TC-Work | I think you have the better end of the state. |
| 22:17.18 | Unkle | TC-Work: It's 98 outside, so it's only a matter of (wait for it ... ) /degree./ |
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| 22:21.00 | TC-Work | I hate you. |
| 22:21.49 | Unkle | My work here is done. |
| 22:24.37 | TC-Work | I will steal all your booze at blizzcon. |
| 22:27.22 | Esamynn|work | 17 degrees here.. quite a pleasant sunny spring day really |
| 22:27.27 | Sintacks | well.. telling someone to highlight me if they had an answer to a question doesnt' do any good when the power goes out while i'm afk and i don't log highlights ... |
| 22:27.50 | TC-Work | I hate you as well Esamynn|work |
| 22:28.00 | Sintacks | |Wed/05/14 03:47:15 am| [Mr_Rabies] dang it Sintacks was trying to figure out what OS and got [Sintacks VERSION reply]: What's an IRC? |
| 22:28.00 | Sintacks | |Wed/05/14 03:48:15 am| [Neffi] lol trolled. |
| 22:28.01 | Sintacks | lol'd |
| 22:28.18 | Esamynn|work | TC-Work: I'm not worried |
| 22:28.25 | Esamynn|work | besides, you hate everyone last I checked... |
| 22:28.47 | TC-Work | Well yes, but it's good to remind people of that fact. |
| 22:29.29 | Unkle | TC-Work: Does this mean you're actually going this year? |
| 22:30.37 | TC-Work | Unkle: Not to the actually con, I passed on the tickets. I will try to show up for the dinner. |
| 22:30.43 | TC-Work | actual* |
| 22:30.47 | Amarande | I should make it to blizzcon one of these years |
| 22:31.01 | Stanzilla | incognito |
| 22:31.17 | Unkle | TC-Work: *steeples hands* Excellent. |
| 22:31.18 | Esamynn|work | Amarande: nah... it's no fun at all, you shouldn't come |
| 22:31.57 | Amarande | however, if I'm going to spend that much money, I'll probably want to go to another DragonCon first :S |
| 22:32.23 | Unkle | Yeah, you miss out on events like "Carry a drunken, singing Esamynn|work down the hallway to the elevator." |
| 22:32.31 | TC-Work | looks at Unkle suspiciously |
| 22:32.51 | Amarande | heh, that reminds me |
| 22:32.52 | Esamynn|work | I was pretty far gone that night |
| 22:32.59 | Amarande | how are the elevators at blizzcon ... are they as insane as the ones at D*Con? |
| 22:33.10 | Esamynn|work | elevators? |
| 22:33.33 | TC-Work | Lift. |
| 22:33.43 | Unkle | And photo ops like these... https://i.imgur.com/QqHV1.jpg https://i.imgur.com/z0BAc.jpg |
| 22:34.05 | Amarande | The ones at DragonCon in the Hyatt and the Marriott (not as much in the Hilton, Sheraton, or Westin though, it seems) are CRAZY |
| 22:34.12 | Esamynn|work | the only elevators you'll use would be the ones in the hotels and yes, from what I've seen those get pretty jammed |
| 22:34.24 | Amarande | At the Hyatt it's actually usually faster to take the stairs, even if you're on the 19th floor like I was one year |
| 22:34.28 | TC-Work | 'op' may be streching it. |
| 22:34.33 | Unkle | The Convention Center doesn't make much use of elevators. The hotels all have different ones. |
| 22:34.38 | TC-Work | stretching* |
| 22:34.56 | Esamynn|work | Unkle: ... |
| 22:35.01 | Gnarfoz | haha |
| 22:35.06 | Gnarfoz | I hadn't seen the you broke it one before |
| 22:35.11 | Amarande | At the Marriott it would be the same, except that stairs only seem to be available there between the 7th and 13th floors inclusive :( |
| 22:35.15 | Unkle | That's me. |
| 22:35.26 | Gnarfoz | I'm aware man! |
| 22:35.29 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 22:35.37 | Amarande | Thankfully when I went to D*Con last, I was on 7F and all the elevators go to 10F, so that made things a *little* better |
| 22:35.42 | Esamynn|work | I protest the unauthorized use of my likeness! |
| 22:35.56 | Esamynn|work | s/the/this/ |
| 22:36.00 | Unkle | Ummm... blame Iriel. |
| 22:36.16 | Amarande | Especially since the Marriott elevators will, as I've mentioned before, basically NEVER weight overload so that they go express, unlike the Hyatt ones that almost always do |
| 22:36.43 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 22:36.52 | Amarande | I wonder if the BlizzCon hotels have that same feature :) |
| 22:37.09 | Amarande | Apparently if the elevator is at weight limit, it will not open on any externally requested floors, only internally requested ones |
| 22:37.22 | TC-Work | Yea, I will need to get a flash. |
| 22:37.29 | Amarande | So you don't have to keep stopping every floor to wave sorry at everyone who's waiting for an elevator and hit it there :P |
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| 22:56.41 | TC-Work | It's hotter in LA than Death Valley....this is not ok |
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| 23:00.00 | Esamynn|work | TC-Work: you have two options |
| 23:00.02 | Esamynn|work | deal with it |
| 23:00.04 | Esamynn|work | or move |
| 23:00.08 | Esamynn|work | (ie. don't live in LA) |
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| 23:00.44 | TC-Work | I would be happy to take option #2, but that takes time. |
| 23:00.54 | TC-Work | And SF is even more expensive. |
| 23:01.24 | Esamynn|work | fyi, there is a world beyond California |
| 23:01.25 | Esamynn|work | just saying |
| 23:02.58 | TC-Work | Agreed but as far as I can tell SF has the best weather conditions for me. |
| 23:08.10 | Esamynn|work | alas, I am then left with "QQ more" |
| 23:12.30 | Amarande | well, LA has all that radiation from the blacktop with all those roads |
| 23:13.11 | Amarande | after all, doesn't LA pretty much have the road system that resembles the Official Florida Presidential Ballot? :) |
| 23:14.16 | Amarande | In case you've forgotten it from 2000: http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/V/j/florida_confusing_ballot.jpg :) |
| 23:14.28 | Amarande | (I guess the "Bush" line would be I-5, heh) |
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