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| 00:15.04 | Stanzilla | Kesava: that looks good, yay thank you |
| 00:15.12 | Kesava | yay. |
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| 01:36.14 | Kesava | ... i keep expecting to be able to double jump |
| 01:36.15 | Kesava | how annoying |
| 01:46.31 | Wobin | Kesava: so true |
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| 01:57.44 | Amarande | Kesava: double jump in WoW? :) |
| 01:58.05 | Kesava | Yeees |
| 02:05.08 | Wobin | hoverboard double jump has spoiled me for other MMOs |
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| 02:07.11 | Amarande | heh, isn't there that one quest ... wait, no, that quest went away in 5.4, I think |
| 02:08.06 | Amarande | the capstone quest for the Golden Lotus in the Vale, where you fight that otherwise tres irritating boss with the spear and moving lightning o'doom etc. |
| 02:08.15 | Amarande | not really double jump, but certainly high jump |
| 02:08.35 | Amarande | ... except the only really halfway comfortable way to complete the quest if you're not an action maven didn't really use that ability at all, alas :( |
| 02:10.36 | Amarande | it certainly wasn't as awful as I and others made it out to be in frustration whilst doing it, but I can certainly see how we found it bloody frustrating, OTOH :S |
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| 02:12.38 | Shirik | pets Wobin |
| 02:12.58 | Wobin | purrs |
| 02:13.00 | Wobin | wait what? |
| 02:17.07 | Shirik | hoverboard double jump :P |
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| 02:26.43 | Wobin | Shirik: Wildstar |
| 02:26.50 | Shirik | yes I know |
| 02:26.50 | Wobin | er |
| 02:26.53 | Shirik | I am a Wildstar addict |
| 02:26.56 | Wobin | Wildstar got that right, at least |
| 02:27.22 | Wobin | jumping momentum |
| 02:27.35 | Wobin | actually made the exploration side interesting |
| 02:29.55 | Arrowmaster | if you guys dont shut up i may end up playing an mmo again |
| 02:31.03 | Arrowmaster | oh fuck yeah, im only watching upto the opening sequence of GoT and already hyped for this episode |
| 02:31.09 | Arrowmaster | iron titan fuck yeah |
| 02:32.16 | Arrowmaster | wait wtf they are doing their own shit thats not in the books again |
| 02:34.26 | Thunder_Child | Shows should be watched, not commented on. |
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| 02:46.59 | karl_w_w | "Opps, the content you try to access doesn't exist." |
| 02:47.22 | karl_w_w | outsourced web dev |
| 03:08.03 | Dagmar | Wobin: Toon locomotion is spot on. THe exploration thing, I'm not particularly a fan of. Seems like a bunch of hunting for some really tiny dingus with no actual reward behind it |
| 03:08.41 | Dagmar | I mean, you literally crawl over every bloody inch of a zone for the explorer path |
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| 03:08.53 | Dagmar | There should be *some* sort of useable reward from that |
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| 03:39.52 | karl_w_w | http://www.noontec.com.au/?m=Category&v=Default&i=20 Quick! Everybody! Copy the plastic fantastic design of Beats! |
| 03:42.43 | Fisker | ohi Shirik |
| 03:43.06 | Iriel | Shirik: have you been playing wildstar for a long time or just this latest beta? |
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| 03:55.43 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 03:55.44 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/mkfTQJi.jpg |
| 04:09.11 | Wobin | Dagmar: True, the explorer level rewards are decent though |
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| 04:09.53 | Wobin | My problem with the Explorer path, is that once I do it once, I don't know if I want to do it again |
| 04:10.28 | Simca | wrote pages for the three C_Timer functions if anyone wants to check them out: http://wowpedia.org/API_C_Timer.NewTicker |
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| 04:53.59 | Mr_Rabies | man, dark souls II is so good |
| 04:54.11 | Mr_Rabies | i really want an MMO with dark souls combat :< |
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| 05:25.37 | Thunder_Child | I hear though that you can no logner solo farm |
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| 06:01.50 | Mr_Rabies | solo farm? |
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| 06:31.29 | airtonix | jleclanche: it's pretty cool how couchpotatoe updates itself by git |
| 06:33.24 | airtonix | also jleclanche, when you're not using django, do you try to separate logic by feature, data-flow or just keep it compact in one ot two files? |
| 06:33.55 | airtonix | i notice in that git powered wiki it was basically in one file |
| 06:43.49 | jleclanche | airtonix: wikt didnt get enough love |
| 06:43.58 | jleclanche | regarding django it depends on the project |
| 06:44.05 | jleclanche | i do whatever is most readable and understandable |
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| 07:12.31 | zenzio | Invalid controller specified (p) [URI /p//b2-tools/gm-2-b2.php?b2inc=../../../../../../../../../../../../..//proc/self/environ%0000] [UA Microsoft Internet Explorer/4.0b1 (Windows 95)] |
| 07:12.35 | zenzio | nice try |
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| 08:13.52 | Shirik | zenzio: what would that even accomplish |
| 08:14.11 | zenzio | no clue |
| 08:14.17 | Shirik | unless he had put a script there it doesn't seem like it would be particularly useful |
| 08:15.17 | Shirik | ok new question |
| 08:15.22 | Shirik | why the fuck isn't there a /proc on mac |
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| 08:19.18 | mitch0 | Shirik: http://superuser.com/questions/631693/where-is-the-proc-folder-on-mac-os-x |
| 08:19.44 | Shirik | well apple is wrong |
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| 08:40.36 | zenzio | I like how MySQL's timestamp functions are UNIX_TIMESTAMP([date-string]) and FROM_UNIXTIME(timestamp) |
| 08:40.46 | zenzio | why be consistent when you can avoid it |
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| 08:43.02 | Fisker | I hi'd you Shirik |
| 08:43.08 | Fisker | I watch you not hi me back |
| 08:43.10 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 08:43.11 | Fisker | watched* |
| 08:43.15 | Fisker | hey |
| 08:43.31 | Shirik | sleep time |
| 08:46.08 | Fisker | night |
| 08:46.10 | Fisker | btw wait Shirik |
| 08:46.16 | Fisker | going to blizzcon? |
| 08:46.28 | Shirik | dunno |
| 08:46.39 | Fisker | ok |
| 08:46.40 | Fisker | don't die |
| 08:46.42 | Fisker | sleep well |
| 08:46.46 | Shirik | wat |
| 08:46.53 | Alram | wait Fisker |
| 08:46.55 | Shirik | are you coming to stab me? |
| 08:46.57 | Alram | is BlizzCon GabenCon? |
| 08:46.58 | Fisker | yes |
| 08:47.01 | Alram | omg |
| 08:47.03 | Alram | now i get it |
| 08:47.09 | Fisker | :D |
| 08:47.21 | Fisker | Because only reason to go to Blizzcon |
| 08:47.25 | Fisker | so I call it Gabencon |
| 08:48.48 | Workfoz | zenzio: reminds me of php |
| 08:50.09 | zenzio | it's a good thing my job isn't primarily PHP and MySQL. Oh wait... |
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| 08:54.11 | jleclanche | zenzio: its a bad thing there arent any python/postgres jobs available. oh wait |
| 08:54.14 | jleclanche | :P |
| 08:54.22 | zenzio | in my town there aren't |
| 08:54.33 | zenzio | from the job listings last time I was looking, there weren't many either |
| 08:54.44 | zenzio | but even then I'd have to go ahead and learn them |
| 08:54.58 | jleclanche | you have one of the best jobs in the world, one of the only ones that you can work remotely |
| 08:55.05 | jleclanche | "in my town" has never been an issue for me |
| 08:55.14 | jleclanche | hell ive moved five times in the last five years |
| 08:55.23 | jleclanche | including three different countries |
| 08:55.33 | zenzio | that's interesting |
| 08:56.04 | zenzio | I'm uncomfortable with change, but I did once make up my mind that I would be okay with moving for a job as long as it was a "right" job |
| 08:56.49 | jleclanche | yeah Ive said that too |
| 08:57.51 | jleclanche | zenzio: the only time i moved for a job was when the job was in a place i liked (cambridge) |
| 08:58.02 | jleclanche | but i didnt move *for* the job itself, i moved for myself and the job was still remote |
| 08:58.12 | zenzio | I see |
| 08:58.42 | zenzio | well, the work I do doesn't allow me to work from home all the time; because zomg meetings and crap |
| 08:58.58 | zenzio | did almost get a job a few years ago where the people all worked from home 3-4 days a week |
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| 08:59.39 | jleclanche | fuck meetings |
| 08:59.51 | jleclanche | if you can avoid them, avoid a job with them |
| 09:00.14 | zenzio | that's on my list of things for when I next look for a job |
| 09:00.23 | jleclanche | what languages can you do? |
| 09:01.12 | zenzio | of actual programming, I'm strongest in PHP; though I'm okay at C++. Used a few others, but not to any degree I'd be comfortable to sell as a job skill |
| 09:01.32 | jleclanche | worked with qt? |
| 09:01.46 | zenzio | a little, but not much |
| 09:02.11 | jleclanche | http://www.kdab.com/ try this |
| 09:02.18 | jleclanche | (they're remote) |
| 09:04.49 | mitch0 | oh, is Qt on android real now? last I heard it was still alpha-ish with some silly name |
| 09:04.55 | jleclanche | yep its very real |
| 09:05.02 | jleclanche | mitch0: did you see we released lxqt 0.7? |
| 09:05.07 | zenzio | jleclanche: interesting, I'll have to have a closer look after work. Thanks |
| 09:05.14 | mitch0 | jleclanche: not yet, will check |
| 09:06.25 | jleclanche | mitch0: http://lxqt.org |
| 09:06.40 | mitch0 | jleclanche: what happened to the lxqt meta-package (arch AUR) |
| 09:06.47 | jleclanche | mitch0: lxqt-desktop-git :) |
| 09:06.52 | jleclanche | see the site |
| 09:07.16 | mitch0 | ah, found it. lxqt-desktop-git ;) |
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| 09:52.35 | Hitch | Could someone help me with a short lua function? Im having trouble with a variable. Here is the code http://pastebin.com/GNb9eReC and its the variable loseTime that always is 0 |
| 10:01.33 | Workfoz | You only set it to something other than 0 after you've already printed it. What do you expect? |
| 10:02.54 | nevcairiel | i think he kinda expected it to persist |
| 10:03.03 | Workfoz | Probably |
| 10:03.35 | Workfoz | Are you aware what "local" actually does? On this case, you probably don't want it. |
| 10:03.43 | Workfoz | *in |
| 10:04.56 | Hitch | Im expecting it to stay in the if statment since that is in the same chunk |
| 10:05.09 | mitch0 | it should probably still be local, just in an outer scope |
| 10:07.02 | Hitch | http://www.lua.org/pil/4.2.html Here they declare local i outside the while loop and adds to its value |
| 10:07.44 | nevcairiel | but its local to your function, and when that function ends, all locals inside the function are lost |
| 10:08.02 | nevcairiel | so if you want it to persist, you need to have the local outside the function |
| 10:08.10 | nevcairiel | like its outside the loop in your example |
| 10:11.17 | Hitch | I get errors when I set it outside the function since I am using weakauras, I would prefer not to use a global. |
| 10:12.16 | nevcairiel | well if you dont have an outer scope, the only way to save data is in a global, unless WA has a way to do that |
| 10:13.43 | Hitch | Im trying to make it as simple as possible I dont want my friends to have to go in the function and edit the name of 3 variables for each aura. I guess I could use a table. |
| 10:18.39 | Hitch | attempt to perform arithmetic on field '?' a nil value http://pastebin.com/66psBmsU |
| 10:18.44 | Hitch | grr |
| 10:19.50 | Hitch | Do I need a or on the global table? |
| 10:24.06 | Workfoz | no, you need to initialize that key |
| 10:24.09 | Workfoz | before doing arithmetic on it |
| 10:24.38 | Workfoz | you fill it with the result of GetTime() in the if branch, but it's not filled with anything in the else branch |
| 10:24.47 | Workfoz | hence: nil-something = error |
| 10:26.40 | Hitch | WA_Kapten_lostTime = WA_Kapten_lostTime or {} |
| 10:27.04 | Hitch | What I would do for a variable but this is a table |
| 10:27.10 | Hitch | Same thing? |
| 10:29.20 | karl_w_w | oh my gosh game of thrones so much <spoiler> and very <spoiler> |
| 10:29.24 | Workfoz | why would you do that for a variable anyway, if there's no situation in which WA_Kapten_lostTime would be set to anything before that assignment? |
| 10:29.35 | Workfoz | you seem to have copied that from somewhere without understanding what it does |
| 10:30.33 | Hitch | Yeah, Colin S global variable tutorial |
| 10:30.34 | Workfoz | same in the older pastebin, lostTime will never be anything other than nil in this situation |
| 10:30.50 | Workfoz | well, it doesn't hurt, but it doesn't do anything either :D |
| 10:31.23 | Workfoz | what you really want is WA_Kapten_lostTime[myBuff] = WA_Kapten_lostTime[myBuff] or 0, I guess |
| 10:31.30 | Workfoz | if you want to copy that behaviour over |
| 10:32.08 | Workfoz | (although it currently achieves nothing. a local WA_Kapten_lostTime[myBuff] = 0 would do the job, too) |
| 10:32.59 | Workfoz | ah wait, I missed something ;-) |
| 10:33.03 | Workfoz | what I said applies to your older paste |
| 10:33.10 | Hitch | ok, but I dont understand why it doesnt save the key "Berserker Rage" with value GetTime() |
| 10:33.12 | Workfoz | however, in the newer one it's actually a global variable |
| 10:33.30 | Workfoz | so you actually want the WA_Kapten_lostTime[myBuff] = WA_Kapten_lostTime[myBuff] or 0 thing up top |
| 10:33.54 | Hitch | But as you said, It should already have a value when I try to do the math |
| 10:34.02 | Workfoz | (I'm not sure if you need to keep a WA_Kapten_lostTime = WA_Kapten_lostTime or {} thing around, too) |
| 10:34.11 | Workfoz | Hitch: no, I said you need to make sure it has one |
| 10:34.15 | Workfoz | it doesn't have one at the moment |
| 10:34.35 | Hitch | but I add one when I have a buff |
| 10:34.49 | Hitch | does have WA... = {} |
| 10:34.52 | Workfoz | and then you overwrite it on the next execution, with an empty table |
| 10:34.52 | Hitch | reset the table? |
| 10:34.53 | Workfoz | :D |
| 10:34.58 | Hitch | oh |
| 10:35.09 | Hitch | so if WA nil then WA = {} |
| 10:35.16 | Hitch | to check if it exisits? |
| 10:35.18 | Semlar | if not WA then WA = {} |
| 10:35.39 | Semlar | weak auras always seem so inefficient |
| 10:35.43 | Workfoz | yeah, that's what the var = var or 0 (or in this case: var = var or {}) is for |
| 10:36.01 | Workfoz | Semlar: you're free to improve it, I guess ;p |
| 10:36.07 | Semlar | no thanks |
| 10:36.46 | Hitch | Semlar: WA is great when you dont know how to set up event handlers or draw widgets |
| 10:36.53 | Workfoz | can't be helped that sometimes the people who have a popular idea and are determined enough to make it a reality are not pro coders ;-) |
| 10:40.43 | Semlar | to become a great programmer you have to leave your ambition behind |
| 10:41.23 | Workfoz | becoming a great programmer isn't their ambition, though |
| 10:41.24 | Workfoz | :D |
| 10:42.40 | Hitch | Now everything works great! Thanks all of you! http://pastebin.com/3bSuu6wZ |
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| 11:03.50 | Semlar | Hitch: just wondering why you redeclare "myBuff" as "myCd" and only use it in GetSpellCooldown(myCd) |
| 11:04.25 | Hitch | I was thinking that some CD might not have the same buff name |
| 11:04.54 | Semlar | i see |
| 11:04.57 | Hitch | So it would be easy for someone to edit the variable if they had such a cd |
| 11:05.11 | Hitch | instead of Ctrl+F the code |
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| 15:05.48 | Fisker | You have me Lopeppeppy |
| 15:09.15 | Lopeppeppy | Do you have my earplugs, Fisker? |
| 15:09.23 | Fisker | no :( |
| 15:09.33 | nevcairiel | i do |
| 15:09.58 | nevcairiel | personally i've always hated wearing such things though |
| 15:10.21 | nevcairiel | rather put some head phones on and drown out noise with music of my own liking, if possible |
| 15:10.29 | nevcairiel | doesn't work for sleeping though :p |
| 15:18.43 | Amarande | hrm. bit of the sads here regarding current tech. |
| 15:19.02 | Amarande | still keeping an eye on the Android case to see if I would like to switch to iOS or Windows next time I buy mobile devices |
| 15:19.32 | Amarande | realisation: it's not actually even possible for the Windows Metro Store to ever get an authenticator (for a windows tablet, for instance) is it :| |
| 15:19.49 | Amarande | it would end up defeating the point of authenticators unless it stays restricted to phones only, it would seem :S |
| 15:20.44 | nevcairiel | there is already plenty third party authenticators, including for windows itself if you want to defeat yourself |
| 15:22.00 | nevcairiel | how authenticators work is not unknown |
| 15:25.12 | Semlar | yeah i wrote one in python |
| 15:25.54 | Amarande | yeh, that's what I mean |
| 15:26.10 | Amarande | if it was for Windows, people would run it on their computers alongside WoW, which defeats one of the big security features of it |
| 15:26.26 | nevcairiel | https://code.google.com/p/winauth/ |
| 15:26.28 | nevcairiel | its been done |
| 15:26.33 | Amarande | hence why we can get it on phones and not tablets ... because Windows Phone has that separate ecosystem, unlike iOS or Android which both have the one store for all devices |
| 15:26.38 | Semlar | running it in windows is only marginally less secure than running it on your phone |
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| 15:26.54 | Amarande | if there was an official authenticator for Metro tablets, though, pretty sure there's no way to avoid that it would also be available for PCs |
| 15:27.37 | nevcairiel | you could only make it available to Windows RT, which automatically limits it to phones and RT tablets, can't run ARM code on your PC :P |
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| 15:31.07 | Semlar | anyway, since the authentication is built into the bnet launcher i don't ever see needing an authenticator again |
| 15:31.39 | nevcairiel | yeah, i had to enter the auth code like once on install of b.net, and its been happy ever since |
| 15:31.44 | Unkle | I need mine to login to Hearthstone from my iPad, and to login to the forums/website. |
| 15:31.46 | nevcairiel | wonder if its really secure, but shrug! |
| 15:31.58 | Semlar | right, if you need to log into the website you still need to use it |
| 15:32.07 | nevcairiel | do the forums need it? |
| 15:32.15 | Semlar | sort of |
| 15:32.20 | nevcairiel | i know account management needs it of course, but you don't go there all the time |
| 15:32.27 | Unkle | Yes, Unless you say "remember me" and suck up using the cookie. |
| 15:32.29 | Semlar | to log in to the website at all you have to use it |
| 15:32.49 | Semlar | but if you only use the forum you can have it remember you for a pretty long time |
| 15:32.55 | Unkle | 30 days |
| 15:33.10 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure if you try and access the account stuff it'll ask again though |
| 15:33.31 | nevcairiel | soft and hard logins are the way to go, anyway |
| 15:33.47 | nevcairiel | cookies should only ever remember your soft login |
| 15:34.19 | Unkle | Semlar: Yes, that's correct. |
| 15:34.23 | Mihau | !cookie nevcairiel |
| 15:34.28 | Mihau | ...TRELA. |
| 15:35.38 | nevcairiel | i've always wondered if b.net asks again after a certain time for the auth code, but it just never did |
| 15:35.54 | Semlar | i haven't had the client ever ask again |
| 15:36.27 | Workfoz | you can eplicitly log out |
| 15:36.28 | Workfoz | +x |
| 15:36.31 | nevcairiel | well sure |
| 15:36.32 | Workfoz | then it will |
| 15:36.56 | Workfoz | also, I'm not convinced pushing the auth data into a registry key, starting wow with a special command line parameter, then deleting it again is very secure ;p |
| 15:37.11 | nevcairiel | thats what it does huh |
| 15:37.23 | Workfoz | and you can circumvent having to log into the website by clicking the battle.net logo in the app and picking "account management" |
| 15:37.47 | Workfoz | it'll go right through, just like logging into the games |
| 15:37.51 | nevcairiel | i assume it at least puts some kind of encrypted login token into the registry and not your plain data? |
| 15:37.59 | Workfoz | yeah |
| 15:38.08 | Workfoz | it's not plaintext, so I have no idea what the data is |
| 15:38.09 | nevcairiel | that may include some sort of machine id to prevent sniffing |
| 15:38.13 | Workfoz | might be binary encoded plain data! :D |
| 15:38.14 | Dagmar | Just a matter of time before script kiddies start stealing that information |
| 15:38.29 | Workfoz | so far, nobody has, or at least, not publicly known^^ |
| 15:38.32 | Semlar | it could only ever be intercepted with a man in the middle attack |
| 15:38.42 | Workfoz | eh? |
| 15:38.47 | Semlar | and it would only work for the brief window that it's open |
| 15:38.48 | nevcairiel | well you need code running on the users box anyway |
| 15:38.54 | Workfoz | exactly |
| 15:39.32 | nevcairiel | at the very least I expect a time component to be included, which expires, like the authenticator numbers |
| 15:39.50 | Dagmar | That would be ineffective. |
| 15:39.51 | nevcairiel | if not even a machine id that the login service checks |
| 15:39.58 | Semlar | i wouldn't be surprised if it used one-time-only codes |
| 15:40.11 | Workfoz | hack it up |
| 15:40.34 | Dagmar | The hard tokens expire quickly for good reason |
| 15:48.34 | Fisker | I'm eating food Lopeppeppy |
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| 15:53.43 | Lopeppeppy | You're making me hungry, Fisker. Do you want to be lunch? |
| 15:53.46 | bluipodcow | And I'm eating Fisker |
| 15:54.02 | Fisker | That's my fetish Lopeppeppy |
| 16:07.55 | Simca | hi bluipodcow |
| 16:12.55 | Fisker | omg |
| 16:12.57 | Fisker | you freak me out |
| 16:13.00 | Fisker | :O |
| 16:13.04 | Fisker | stalker |
| 16:20.34 | TC-Work | Ugh, this weather blows massive chunks |
| 16:25.49 | kd3 | wow; http://www.scotsman.com/what-s-on/music/cruise-ship-plays-white-stripes-anthem-on-its-horn-1-3407568 |
| 16:26.05 | Fisker | Hi kd3 |
| 16:26.33 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 16:31.51 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, the student band is OUT OF TUNE. It's killing me. |
| 16:32.04 | Shirik | student bands are always out of tune lol |
| 16:32.46 | Unkle | TC-Work: What are you on about? It's glorious out here. Sunny, low 70s, slight breeze... You're too far south. |
| 16:32.57 | TC-Work | Unkle: Agreed. |
| 16:33.17 | Shirik | also, Lopeppeppy, what student band |
| 16:33.30 | Lopeppeppy | The one right outside my office window... |
| 16:33.43 | kd3 | noise-canceling headphones, go! |
| 16:34.40 | nevcairiel | kd3: maybe i should've gone to the ports birthday this year :p |
| 16:34.45 | Shirik | yeah I always wear noise cancelling headphones at work :D |
| 16:35.22 | Kesava | guys wildstar broke my gpu |
| 16:35.24 | Kesava | should i sue |
| 16:35.25 | Lopeppeppy | We're not allowed to wear headphones at work. But I did just go buy earplugs. |
| 16:35.46 | Shirik | what do you mean not allowed to wear headphones |
| 16:35.50 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure I would quit |
| 16:35.55 | nevcairiel | me too |
| 16:37.07 | Fisker | Why not? |
| 16:37.19 | Fisker | Is your boss like literally Hitler |
| 16:37.35 | Fisker | Or is he like a millihitler? |
| 16:37.47 | Fisker | Maybe even a picohitler |
| 16:38.29 | nevcairiel | have to be at least a nanohitler to be evil enough to ban headphones |
| 16:39.05 | mikma | well... |
| 16:39.05 | Fisker | It makes no sense to ban headphones but not earplugs |
| 16:39.18 | mikma | they are forbidden in the constructionsites |
| 16:39.22 | Fisker | But I got the solution for you Lopeppeppy |
| 16:39.25 | mikma | but i'm using 'em anyway |
| 16:39.32 | Fisker | Earbuds |
| 16:39.39 | A-KO | ugh |
| 16:39.44 | A-KO | I wish Golden's books weren't so fucking boring |
| 16:39.45 | nevcairiel | mikma: arent you into destruction and not construction |
| 16:39.48 | A-KO | It's a nightmare to get through them |
| 16:39.50 | Lopeppeppy | Earbuds count, Fisker, Grand Boss makes that clear. |
| 16:40.07 | nevcairiel | earbuds are earplugs with a cable |
| 16:40.12 | mikma | nevcairiel: you gotta destroy the old to construct new ;) |
| 16:40.16 | Fisker | Wireless Bluetooth pulse monitors with audio then |
| 16:40.26 | Fisker | Exactly nevcairiel |
| 16:40.42 | nevcairiel | you fail at IRC |
| 16:41.03 | Fisker | So either listening to music is banned and your boss is a hemhem or wait there's no or |
| 16:41.05 | Lopeppeppy | I don't think I'd get away with earplugs except the band is right outside my window. Grand Boss is a douche canoe about understanding the need for peace when doing coding. |
| 16:42.11 | Fisker | You'd think something as basic as earplugs were a matter of an appropriate work environment |
| 16:42.50 | Fisker | Anyway bone conducting headset |
| 16:43.09 | nevcairiel | those sound like crap |
| 16:43.09 | Fisker | We're gonna beat the system |
| 16:43.26 | Fisker | Im gonna put a man inside a machine |
| 16:43.27 | mikma | nevcairiel: http://imgur.com/gallery/AL5cwWy |
| 16:43.57 | Fisker | Or earplugs inside Lopeppeppy |
| 16:44.55 | Shirik | http://imgur.com/ByBfmNt |
| 16:59.59 | mikma | shirik: muahaha |
| 17:04.10 | Kesava | :< |
| 17:04.16 | znf | anyone has any idea what the hell is the yum equivalent of apt-get purge ? |
| 17:04.25 | znf | (to clean up config files, too) |
| 17:05.51 | Humbedooh | 'yum remove' may or may not remove config files as well |
| 17:06.47 | Humbedooh | or do rpm -q --configfiles foopackage |
| 17:06.51 | Humbedooh | and remove them files |
| 17:07.02 | Humbedooh | with liek, a script or whatevs |
| 17:07.43 | znf | why the f* does webalizer depend on mysql-libs |
| 17:07.46 | znf | wth |
| 17:07.59 | jleclanche | guessing its the default db backend |
| 17:08.06 | jleclanche | say hello to clueless packagers |
| 17:08.08 | znf | trying to slap MariaDB on it... |
| 17:08.37 | jleclanche | alright, im bored, time to compile all of kde! |
| 17:08.55 | znf | I guess I'm going to slap MariaDB 5.5 |
| 17:08.57 | znf | :-/ |
| 17:14.44 | Kesava | there are lines all over my screen. |
| 17:14.59 | Kesava | and i'm probably going to have to learn to live with one monitor until i get a replacement |
| 17:15.00 | Kesava | pity me |
| 17:15.59 | bluipodcow | *gasp a wild Sumca |
| 17:16.05 | bluipodcow | I mean |
| 17:16.25 | bluipodcow | *gasp a wild Simca appears* |
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| 17:22.57 | Kesava | guys guys it's ok |
| 17:23.01 | Kesava | my old gpu has 2 display ports |
| 17:23.05 | Kesava | you can stop worrying about me now |
| 17:23.50 | Neffi | Worrying? |
| 17:24.00 | Neffi | As a single monitor user, I'm cackling maniacally |
| 17:25.42 | Simca | single monitor users? |
| 17:25.47 | Simca | i thought those were faerie tales |
| 17:26.13 | Neffi | Cross the tracks once in a while. Some of us on the other side don't even have 1080p! |
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| 17:26.24 | Neffi | Morbid, I know |
| 17:26.51 | Kesava | i can't imagine what life is like for you |
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| 17:27.18 | Neffi | Sometimes I cry myself to sleep imagining what it would be like to have dual 1600p monitors |
| 17:28.46 | Dagmar | I would imagine it would be a lot like having spent far too much money on some tech that will be obsolete in 3 years when 4K video becomes the norm on fully-digital display devices like PCs |
| 17:29.20 | Neffi | Nobody has solved DPI scaling elegantly. You're way too optimistic to say 4 years |
| 17:29.43 | Neffi | And it's not like we're in a rush. Good monitors push impressive PPI already. What's the need for 4K 2 feet from your face? |
| 17:29.58 | Fisker | I'm a single monitor user Simca |
| 17:29.59 | Fisker | Problem? |
| 17:30.11 | Simca | yes |
| 17:30.21 | Fisker | Oh |
| 17:31.47 | bluipodcow | I too use a single monitor at home |
| 17:33.11 | Fisker | I'd like 2 monitors |
| 17:33.17 | Fisker | but the cost is too high |
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| 17:35.46 | znf | Simca, I have only one monitor, too :( |
| 17:36.14 | Simca | this is all terrifying |
| 17:36.36 | Simca | (I stole my sister's monitor when she got a laptop) |
| 17:37.05 | znf | I didn't have space on my desk for a 2nd 27" monitor :D |
| 17:37.05 | Fisker | Thief |
| 17:37.14 | Fisker | So legitimately you only have one monitor too |
| 17:37.14 | bluipodcow | I would like a second Fisker |
| 17:37.19 | Fisker | me neither znf |
| 17:37.31 | bluipodcow | We could set it up to be the anti Fisker |
| 17:37.32 | Fisker | I'll move out so I can fit 2x28" 4k monitors |
| 17:37.39 | bluipodcow | In an endless loop |
| 17:37.40 | znf | I was considering getting a 24" and mount it at 90˚ |
| 17:37.50 | znf | because vertical space is at a premium! |
| 17:39.11 | znf | oh dear god, CentOS 6 has phpmyadmin 2.11 :-| |
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| 17:41.27 | Dagmar | znf: Because SELECT and mysqldump is hard mode for DBAs |
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| 17:42.14 | znf | Dagmar, because not everyone knows those and I'm not going to do menial database tasks when the guy I'm setting it up for has no idea how to do command line sql... |
| 17:42.26 | znf | it serves a purpose. |
| 17:42.51 | Dagmar | I prefer to give the so-called DBAs time to embarass themselves and get fired so their paychecks can be redistributed to the admins who wind up doing all their work for them |
| 17:43.23 | Dagmar | We've got one group of them here that seem to know what they're doing |
| 17:43.34 | Dagmar | The rest are highly-qualified by Oracle standards. |
| 17:43.46 | Dagmar | ...meaning they can install WebLogic with only one or two phone calls to technical support. |
| 17:44.10 | Dagmar | The in-the-know group have a nice little song they like to sing, called "Left Inner Join" |
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| 17:44.51 | Dagmar | It goes like this... "Left inner join... left inner join! Left inner join? Left inner join!" and they sing it when they're having to debug why other people's databases run like crap |
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| 17:52.53 | Dagmar | Apparently it's a very popular way of inadvertently selecting the entire database repeatedly. |
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| 17:54.12 | TC-Work | We need a DBA. |
| 17:55.18 | Fisker | databases are a jerk |
| 17:55.30 | Dagmar | Have you tried contacting the employment assistance division of the local home for the mentally disadvantaged? |
| 17:56.08 | Fisker | Yes |
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| 17:58.22 | TC-Work | This one needs to be competent. Our current DB's are 10-15 years worth of spaghetti, and it needs to be redone. I already maintain it, but it needs a lot of work. |
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| 17:59.52 | Fisker | We run cruise control |
| 17:59.54 | Fisker | it works very well |
| 18:00.06 | Fisker | Only like a database running out of space every other week |
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| 18:24.59 | Jamash | fisker: are all the config files in all caps? |
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| 18:36.11 | znf | I wonder why the Romanian keyboard layout has § and ß on it in Windows |
| 18:36.49 | zenzelezz | I would assume relic of history |
| 18:37.01 | zenzelezz | Norwegian keyboard layouts have | and § on the button left of 1 |
| 18:38.03 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: http://richg42.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/the-truth-on-opengl-driver-quality.html |
| 18:39.53 | zenzelezz | jleclanche: looks interesting |
| 18:43.04 | Stanzilla | Kesava: https://mediacru.sh/_2ep7re39uzA.jpg |
| 18:43.06 | Stanzilla | wat :O |
| 18:43.09 | Stanzilla | how does that happen |
| 18:43.32 | Kesava | you're using tank mode |
| 18:43.35 | Kesava | it doesn't work with tank mode |
| 18:43.36 | Stanzilla | one is aggro color, one is my custom color |
| 18:43.40 | Stanzilla | ah ok |
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| 18:44.14 | Stanzilla | nvm then! |
| 18:44.41 | Kesava | i hesitate to give this version post-messages for health, threat updates and all that stuff |
| 18:44.52 | Kesava | or even postupdate |
| 18:44.59 | Kesava | maybe i should |
| 18:45.13 | Kesava | the rewrite does though |
| 18:45.52 | Stanzilla | how far along is the rewrite atm? |
| 18:46.27 | Kesava | i've got the layout down, basically. I just want to write my own configuration stuff rather than relying on all the Ace plugins |
| 18:46.32 | Kesava | because ace's config interface bugs me |
| 18:46.47 | Stanzilla | really? how so? |
| 18:46.52 | Stanzilla | I really like it |
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| 18:47.34 | Kesava | well i'd like to have more control over the layout |
| 18:47.49 | Kesava | because at the moment it's 2 columns and it gets really messy |
| 18:47.55 | Kesava | though it is generated so it's understandable |
| 18:48.18 | Kesava | also the documentation seems seriously lacking |
| 18:48.31 | Kesava | i'm sure there are much better ways to use it than i am |
| 18:48.47 | Kesava | having to make this horrible post-config-change function table |
| 18:49.31 | Stanzilla | ask nebula169 |
| 18:49.33 | Stanzilla | err |
| 18:49.34 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: |
| 18:49.36 | Stanzilla | damn n's |
| 18:51.46 | nevcairiel | most people that dont like want to do something it wasn't designed to do |
| 18:51.55 | nevcairiel | and we can't fix that :p |
| 18:56.24 | znf | wait, Kesava is doing a new knp? :o |
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| 18:56.52 | Kesava | the handler's set function gets given a table, "info" |
| 18:56.58 | Kesava | i have no idea what that table has to do with anything |
| 18:57.04 | Kesava | i stole my resoltuion function from another addon |
| 18:57.15 | Kesava | and i can't find anything in the docs about it |
| 18:57.48 | Kesava | consequently i can't have more than one config option at the top level with the same name |
| 18:57.56 | Kesava | znf: i am indeed |
| 18:58.21 | znf | what goodies does it come with? |
| 18:58.28 | Kesava | um |
| 18:58.34 | Kesava | everything that this one comes with. and nothing more. |
| 18:59.11 | nevcairiel | the info table contains the path to the options, so you can easily use it to identify whichever option it is and recycle functions |
| 18:59.37 | Kesava | i'm really just making it to be modular & configurable from the start, rather than bolting it on after i decided to post it on curse |
| 19:01.09 | Kesava | it looks like info contains either a copy or a reference to the config table itself which you then have to traverse through |
| 19:01.20 | Kesava | to get to the top level. |
| 19:01.30 | Kesava | .. i have a headache at the moment |
| 19:02.04 | Kesava | i'll do some testing later. maybe i'll use ace again, I don't know yet, just ideas |
| 19:02.13 | nevcairiel | the info table is documented here: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/ace-config-3-0-options-tables/#w-callback-arguments |
| 19:03.01 | Kesava | ok it's the website's fault |
| 19:03.51 | Kesava | Like, I go to pages, click AceConfig, and I don't get that page |
| 19:03.52 | Kesava | at all |
| 19:04.04 | Kesava | oh options tables right |
| 19:04.17 | Unkle | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/ - lulz |
| 19:07.54 | Kesava | nevcairiel: Ok, well I can't remember exactly why I had trouble finding that page, ty |
| 19:08.13 | Kesava | but is it at all possible to use my own configterface + Ace's config tables? |
| 19:08.30 | Kesava | because as far as I know it's designed to generate its config pages |
| 19:09.03 | Kesava | which was lovely when i was being lazy but now I want to make my own so that it makes a bit more sense |
| 19:09.42 | Kesava | graphically speaking |
| 19:10.10 | Kesava | or alternatively, using different layouts, being able to specify widths, positions, etc |
| 19:13.08 | Stanzilla | you can use AceGUI without using AceConfigDialog |
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| 19:16.45 | nevcairiel | yeah you can use AceGUI to combine widgets and whatnot, but its not all that user friendly tbh, since very few people use it |
| 19:16.50 | Kesava | .. I could then simply modifier self.db.profile directly? |
| 19:16.53 | Kesava | modify* |
| 19:20.44 | Kesava | i shall have to look into this. but really if it's particularly easy to make my own configuration page that's probably what i'll do. I've had a go doing it with my smaller addons and got the hang of that. |
| 19:21.02 | Kesava | .. probably just be a bit annoying have to write colour selectors |
| 19:21.06 | Kesava | that's the only problem i can think of |
| 19:21.47 | Kesava | also ace doesn't bind the mousewheel to sliders |
| 19:21.56 | Kesava | it really bugs me everytime i try to do that |
| 19:24.02 | Kesava | consistency's always good though.. |
| 19:24.07 | Kesava | i think i'll stop rambling about this now. |
| 19:24.16 | nevcairiel | it should allow the wheel if you hover the slider |
| 19:24.34 | Kesava | Oh, I might not be remembering right then |
| 19:24.36 | nevcairiel | or we disabled that because you accidentally scrolled options |
| 19:24.40 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 19:24.44 | Kesava | ah |
| 19:27.23 | nevcairiel | i definitely remember trying to scroll the window and instead scrolling some option becaujse cursor was bad position |
| 19:27.29 | nevcairiel | but not sure if that was changed then |
| 19:29.50 | Kesava | i'll get back to you on that. |
| 19:29.59 | Kesava | i'm stuck in graphics driver rebooting hell. |
| 19:30.13 | Kesava | because windows. |
| 19:31.40 | Mr_Rabies | boot in vga mode if it's in a reboot loop |
| 19:31.57 | Mr_Rabies | then uninstall the drivers and reinstall |
| 19:32.19 | Kesava | nah, just had the default windows drivers, they broke, removed the drivers, had to reboot, installing them, now i'll have to reboot again |
| 19:32.58 | Kesava | and then i might actually be able to get into wow without the screen flashing like mad |
| 19:36.56 | Kesava | good job this card works at all really |
| 19:37.03 | Kesava | it was affected by the capacitor plague |
| 19:37.09 | Kesava | most of the capacitors are burst |
| 19:37.12 | Kesava | i'm not sure how it works |
| 19:37.46 | Kesava | yay it works. |
| 19:40.09 | Kesava | some might say it's stupid to use a graphics card with 6 or so burst capacitors |
| 19:40.11 | Kesava | but psh |
| 19:42.37 | Kesava | nevcairiel: mousewheel is indeed not bound to sliders |
| 19:42.46 | Kesava | though i can imagine how it'd be annoying with scrolling frames too |
| 19:43.44 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/cSqe2OsbgY1G.png |
| 19:43.50 | jleclanche | I am really fucking impressed |
| 19:43.53 | jleclanche | how, google |
| 19:44.07 | jleclanche | how did you know *this* was the guy i forgot about, and not, you know, the main guy |
| 19:44.13 | jleclanche | or any of the other non-main guys. |
| 19:46.25 | Mr_Rabies | brother eye sees all |
| 19:47.07 | Mr_Rabies | brother eye knows all |
| 19:48.54 | Stanzilla | http://www.engadget.com/2014/05/12/germany-wants-google-data-policy-change/ |
| 19:48.59 | Stanzilla | ducking germany |
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| 20:22.31 | TC-Work | jleclanche: because everyone knows their names. |
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| 20:41.21 | Kesava | dae hate moxel connectors |
| 20:41.25 | Kesava | fucking hardest things to take out ever |
| 20:41.37 | Mr_Rabies | molex? |
| 20:42.01 | Kesava | the old hard drive ones |
| 20:42.07 | Mr_Rabies | ah, molex, yeah |
| 20:42.08 | Humbedooh | made by donosaurs |
| 20:42.11 | alestane | Oh, the 4x1 one. |
| 20:42.21 | alestane | That one is very tough to remove. |
| 20:42.27 | Mr_Rabies | depends on how poorly built the connectors are |
| 20:42.28 | mikma | grab from wires and pull side-to-side xD |
| 20:42.47 | alestane | Well, grab by points on the ends, if available. |
| 20:42.49 | Mr_Rabies | if they're built right they come out pretty easily but still have a lot of mechanical durability/strength when connected |
| 20:43.00 | Mr_Rabies | but most are built poorly, it seems |
| 20:43.08 | Mr_Rabies | especially on fans |
| 20:43.18 | Mr_Rabies | and 3/4 pin fan adapters |
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| 20:51.17 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: he has his own show now, too... but neat google result :D |
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| 20:58.21 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/FnMAZ84.gif ^_^ |
| 21:00.59 | TC-Work | Why is the dinner still moving? |
| 21:01.28 | Neffi | O.O |
| 21:10.52 | Semlar | that's how you know it's fresh |
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| 21:55.46 | Neffi | oh shi--- Gorillaz broke up back in 2012 D: |
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| 22:06.10 | Amarande | hrm. am I being conspiracy theorist or are mobs' hit points actively designed this way. :P heh |
| 22:08.43 | Mr_Rabies | what way? |
| 22:09.41 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: that they're designed to have JUST enough hit points that they end up needing that one extra attack just to pick off the last sliver :) |
| 22:10.09 | Amarande | seems like you almost never get to kill mobs in a nice efficiently even number of attacks, they always end up with a tiny sliver left that you have to blow an entire cast on to finish off :P |
| 22:10.21 | Mr_Rabies | maybe you just need to get that sliver better, br0 |
| 22:10.26 | Amarande | I'm beginning to swear they design the mob HP formulae in MMOs to get that to occur, LOL |
| 22:10.32 | Mr_Rabies | (also that's what dots are for) |
| 22:10.43 | Amarande | and yeah, that's what dots are for ... Aff locks FTW |
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| 22:47.48 | Amarande | btw, is archaeology still an insanely good way to level in the late 80s? :) |
| 22:50.15 | Amarande | I remember when I last played in mists it was like, 200k or so (when rested) xp for each dig site, and it didn't matter one whit if you were 89 and the mobs were 20 :) |
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| 23:55.15 | Amarande | hmmm, something else that occurs to me now while playing sw:tor |
| 23:55.35 | Amarande | does WoW have the double tap feature for aoe too and I didn't know about it, or do they just not have it and that's a TOR perk? |
| 23:57.47 | Amarande | In TOR, if you use an AoE skill that has a targeting reticle, tapping the hotkey a second time causes it to automatically center on current target instead |
| 23:58.09 | Amarande | I don't think I've ever seen anything like that in WoW, always had to manually stop and place the reticle (hence why I've always hated things like DK tanking :P) |
| 23:58.20 | TC-Work | http://www.dice.com/job/result/10167529/ISG578-CA Someone has spacebar issues. |
| 23:59.15 | Kesava | it does not have that |
| 23:59.21 | Kesava | wow lacks a lot of nice things like that |
| 23:59.52 | Amarande | yeah, I thought as much :( |
| 23:59.57 | Kesava | such as hotkeys for quest dialogs agh |
