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| 00:38.39 | Dagmar | Jesus. Someone needs to learn how to seek() |
| 00:48.23 | TC-Work | seek( and 'ye shall' find()) |
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| 01:23.38 | Shirik | TC-Work: I think it's seek() && ("ye shall"):find() |
| 01:24.00 | Shirik | or maybe seek() && ("ye"):find() |
| 01:24.01 | TC-Work | why are there two ampersands? |
| 01:24.28 | Shirik | binary operations don't make much sense on boolean values? |
| 01:24.57 | Jamash | are we talking C, sh or what |
| 01:25.53 | Shirik | it's kind of a bastardization of a bunch of languages |
| 01:25.54 | TC-Work | My point is it is not 'Seek and and ye shall find' |
| 01:26.22 | TC-Work | I guess it depends on how you interpret '&' |
| 01:27.40 | Shirik | I don't understand facebook |
| 01:27.54 | Shirik | facebook says my account is not as secure as it can be because I haven't set up "trusted contacts" |
| 01:27.57 | Jamash | that's okay, nobody does |
| 01:28.04 | Semlar | neffiiiiiiii |
| 01:28.04 | Jamash | least of all facebook |
| 01:28.19 | Shirik | and so they tell me what it is |
| 01:28.27 | Shirik | and I'm like "that makes my account less secure wtf is wrong with you" |
| 01:28.36 | Semlar | [nochanneling:Barrage] doesn't seem to work with ImpliedTarget |
| 01:28.49 | Ressy | Heartbleed Challenge over. Took the guy 3 hours from start to finish to own cloudflare & get their private key. |
| 01:28.52 | Ressy | https://www.cloudflarechallenge.com/heartbleed |
| 01:31.09 | Jamash | Good idea there. Proves that it's not an "academic vulnerability" and that yes people need to have this fixed yesterday. |
| 01:31.32 | Ressy | He says he's waiting a week for servers to update and everything, then will post his code. |
| 01:32.14 | Ressy | All Gov of Canada logins affected are down because of this. They've pulled access altogether. |
| 01:32.28 | Ressy | Including our efile for taxes. They're extending our filing dates |
| 01:32.50 | Arrowmaster | HAHA |
| 01:33.52 | Ressy | they're saying CRA (Canada Revenue Agency)'s site should be back up this weekend. |
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| 01:45.43 | Jamash | shows why big web companies should put more time and money into helping free software projects they use audit and improve their code |
| 01:46.21 | Jamash | of course the US Govt bears responsibility for the idiotic crypto export regulations |
| 01:47.27 | Shirik | dude |
| 01:47.46 | Shirik | 128-bit AES is a military weapon |
| 01:47.49 | Shirik | don't you know? |
| 01:48.07 | Shirik | you could totally kill someone with numbers |
| 01:49.05 | Jamash | and because you can actually stop people from exporting software via the internet |
| 01:49.10 | Jamash | oh, wait, you can't |
| 01:49.15 | TC-Work | Sure, if you are Muad'Dib |
| 01:49.33 | Jamash | that's neither here nor there, we don't have access to spice |
| 01:49.47 | TC-Work | That's what the govt. wants you to think |
| 01:50.03 | Jamash | are you saying there's a secret portal under a mountain in Colorado that leads to Arrakis? |
| 01:50.20 | kd3 | eesh. curse is getting its fingers in a lot of pies |
| 01:50.35 | TC-Work | I am not saying that at all. |
| 01:50.41 | kd3 | it just bought a group of minecraft lets players |
| 01:50.48 | TC-Work | And not because the NSA is reading. |
| 01:50.54 | Jamash | Are you "not" saying that there's a secret portal under a mountain in Colorado that leads to Arrakis? |
| 01:51.17 | TC-Work | I'm not not saying that |
| 01:51.36 | Jamash | Double plus cool story, bro. |
| 01:52.18 | TC-Work | Spicegate. |
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| 01:57.12 | Wobin | ... Now I have a terrible Spice Girls Movie/Stargate mental crossover |
| 01:57.26 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:12.16 | Arrowmaster | kd3, Mr_Rabies: i watched arpeggio today, damn does it deviate from the manga, and not for the better id say |
| 03:32.35 | kd3 | wait, what? .moe is a valid gTLD? |
| 03:33.19 | kd3 | http://nic.moe/en/ |
| 03:33.22 | Shirik | omg |
| 03:34.13 | Shirik | apparently: http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2014/04/11/senpai-notices-moe-top-level-domain |
| 03:35.13 | kd3 | twitter doesn't seem to think so: https://twitter.com/Kaydeethree/status/454824894933778432 |
| 03:36.37 | Shirik | ha |
| 03:37.28 | Shirik | Facebook got it right |
| 03:40.40 | Neffi | Wow, the default programs dialog in Windows truly sucks |
| 03:41.31 | Neffi | Trying to just associte everything from NP++ to ST. Filter by current default, attempt to highlight multiple ones, no cigar. So I start about doing them one by one. Each change results in a reload of the panel, so I lose both my sorting and position |
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| 04:02.08 | karl_w_w | I don't think .moe is that bad in a world that has .xxx |
| 04:02.47 | karl_w_w | and .sex |
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| 04:16.18 | Shirik | Neffi: they WILL get you to use notepad |
| 04:16.25 | Shirik | so that guy that runs the notepad team still feels useful |
| 04:17.15 | Neffi | I assume they fired him long ago, since Notepad.exe doesnt seem to have changed in ages |
| 04:17.23 | Neffi | ;) |
| 04:17.59 | Arrowmaster | kd3|hate`net: haha when did that get approved |
| 04:18.32 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: amusingly, as far as I can tell it was approved on April 1 |
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| 04:27.27 | Shirik | ok I know we're probably all getting sick of 'let it go' parodies |
| 04:27.34 | Shirik | but I'm pretty sure I just found the best one ever http://totalsororitymove.com/let-it-go-hilariously-rewritten-for-college-students-trust-us-youll-laugh/comment-page-1/ |
| 04:27.38 | Shirik | also, warning: language |
| 04:27.43 | karl_w_w | the filesize limit was either raised or removed from notepad in windows 7 |
| 04:27.57 | Shirik | You know what hasn't been removed, though? |
| 04:28.02 | Shirik | The "no word wrap" limit |
| 04:28.15 | Shirik | I recently discovered that disabling word wrap doesn't actually disable word wrap |
| 04:28.21 | Arrowmaster | does it handle lf line endings yet? |
| 04:28.24 | Shirik | it actually just shoves the position at which it wraps way to the right |
| 04:28.31 | Shirik | so if you have a long enough line, it DOES actually wrap |
| 04:29.45 | karl_w_w | 1024 is the number of characters |
| 04:31.03 | Shirik | that's stupid |
| 04:31.37 | karl_w_w | so mean Shirik |
| 04:31.52 | Shirik | I am extremely intolerant of crappy code |
| 04:32.56 | karl_w_w | thank you for waiting, you have advanced in the queue |
| 04:36.24 | karl_w_w | guy answers the phone to ask me to wait some more |
| 04:36.53 | Shirik | what that actually means |
| 04:37.01 | Shirik | he was 2 minutes from ending his shift |
| 04:37.07 | Shirik | but his phone rang so he had to answer |
| 04:37.23 | Shirik | so he answered it in a manner that would allow him to leave immediately |
| 04:37.33 | karl_w_w | nah they only open for 4 hours on saturday |
| 04:40.05 | karl_w_w | it's odd though because I've been in there a few times and I've never once heard the phone ring, so how was I 'in queue' for 10 minutes |
| 04:47.07 | kd3|hate`net | http://i.imgur.com/mW5vmvD.jpg "This driver had a choice between safety and convenience. He clearly chose the ladder." |
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| 04:48.45 | pnorman | Hmm - anyone got any thoughts on any ways to realid chat from an ubuntu laptop? |
| 04:49.12 | kd3 | as long as you've got up-to-date wine, the battle.net app should just work |
| 04:51.30 | pnorman | and I guess since it's not graphically intensive like WoW I can probably run it |
| 04:52.05 | kd3 | yah |
| 04:54.00 | Gethe | they should expand the armory app to do bnet chat |
| 05:03.54 | karl_w_w | that would be too sensible |
| 05:29.47 | jnwhiteh | hrm, iI wonder if http://keybase.io will take off. |
| 05:31.59 | Trela | jnwhiteh: Seems like a good idea. |
| 05:32.11 | Trela | The main issue of PGP is uh... All these keys I can't hold. |
| 05:32.32 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 05:32.41 | jnwhiteh | having a key repository that actually works has always been a problem |
| 05:32.55 | jnwhiteh | and being able to do stuff in-browser.. nice. |
| 05:33.09 | Shirik | neat |
| 05:33.24 | jnwhiteh | i may have invites at some poinr |
| 05:33.25 | jnwhiteh | point |
| 05:36.48 | Trela | Keeping a list of manually compiled phone numbers used to be possible because they are short and simple to remember. Keeping a list of manually compiled PGP keys and remember them is not an easy task. |
| 05:37.02 | Shirik | tbh |
| 05:37.13 | Shirik | you can reference PGP keys by just 8 digits |
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| 05:37.32 | Trela | Well, now I know. |
| 05:37.35 | Shirik | http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xAAE62850 |
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| 06:26.34 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 06:26.48 | jnwhiteh | heyas! |
| 06:27.13 | Fisker | wanna kill all humans? |
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| 06:33.33 | Torhal | stabs jnwhiteh with a First Edition copy of "We'll Write a Book Never Again" |
| 06:33.45 | Torhal | runs into the woods. |
| 06:34.04 | jnwhiteh | Torhal: I'm writing a book now |
| 06:34.08 | jnwhiteh | my thesis =( |
| 06:34.48 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: Well, yes. That's quite a bit more important than the sequel I was alluding to. |
| 06:35.20 | Torhal | Or, would that be a "threequel" according to the trends of these days? |
| 06:35.24 | jnwhiteh | hehe :P |
| 06:43.55 | jnwhiteh | Torhal: do you think there's sufficient scope/changes to justify a new edition? |
| 06:45.11 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: I know this is a shit metric, because I've been a bit lax over the years, so I assume others have been as well... |
| 06:45.18 | jnwhiteh | yeah, me too =) |
| 06:45.20 | jnwhiteh | thesis |
| 06:45.21 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: You're working on six years, though. |
| 06:45.37 | jnwhiteh | I know the publishers are looking for an update to HWoW |
| 06:45.47 | Torhal | And Blizzard's UI devs have lately not been shy about "What's a ToC Interface Version?" |
| 06:45.56 | jnwhiteh | and by 'update' I mean write the book that should have been written in the first place. |
| 06:46.17 | Torhal | As in, a breaking change or three within the same version. |
| 06:46.27 | jnwhiteh | yeah :P |
| 06:46.38 | jnwhiteh | I don't think many of those affect the things in the book, generally |
| 06:48.12 | jnwhiteh | after the first edition, that was my goal with the second edition |
| 06:48.29 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: If you do manage another, though, one thing I'd like to see is a distancing from "This is how you make Frames. You use XML." in the tutorials, and instead a focus on "You have options when making Frames. Here they are, with their Pros and Cons." |
| 06:48.43 | jnwhiteh | I do talk about that! |
| 06:48.47 | jnwhiteh | intentionally |
| 06:49.00 | jnwhiteh | and I still believe in using XML for templates, particularly with parentKey |
| 06:49.10 | jnwhiteh | if only because it goes along with what Blizzard does for templates |
| 06:49.27 | jnwhiteh | but yeah, I understand |
| 06:49.27 | Torhal | Oh. I skimmed, and everyone who's Pro-Lua for Frame-creation incessantly screams frustrations about "every tutorial shows XML" |
| 06:49.39 | jnwhiteh | that's because they haven't read the fucking book =) |
| 06:49.55 | Torhal | I NEVER read those types of books. |
| 06:50.06 | Torhal | I'm reference-only. |
| 06:50.06 | jnwhiteh | its fair =) |
| 06:50.25 | Torhal | I've had both editions in my hands, and used the hell out of the both. |
| 06:50.30 | Torhal | But I never _read_ them. |
| 06:50.39 | jnwhiteh | Blizzard made my job so difficult with the API extraction |
| 06:50.44 | jnwhiteh | after they removed string.dump =/ |
| 06:50.50 | Torhal | Yeah. |
| 06:50.59 | Torhal | They did weird shit with the string lib. |
| 06:51.04 | jnwhiteh | I used that to distinguish between C and Lua APIs |
| 06:51.14 | jnwhiteh | now I have to jump through hoops to guess |
| 06:51.18 | Torhal | One I approve of is re-adding the 4.x positional string formatting. |
| 06:51.36 | jnwhiteh | this is in the debug lib |
| 06:51.36 | Torhal | No damn clue why that was removed from main. |
| 06:51.38 | jnwhiteh | not string, sorry |
| 06:51.40 | Torhal | Ah. |
| 06:53.16 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: One thing I do suggest is some kind of possible synchronicity betwixt wowprogramming.com and wowpedia.org. |
| 06:53.27 | jnwhiteh | I tried, really. really. really. hard. |
| 06:53.35 | jnwhiteh | but I can't violate copyright, as much as I would like to =( |
| 06:54.04 | Torhal | I have to jump between the two for clarification (and this comes back to me being really, really, terribly bad at updating things myself) |
| 06:54.19 | jnwhiteh | I spent four years trying to solve that issue =( |
| 06:54.24 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: I'm talking something mutually beneficial. Or, at least, for the community. |
| 06:54.38 | jnwhiteh | such as? |
| 06:54.50 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: We should assault, bind, and torture Kaelten. |
| 06:55.00 | Torhal | I'm sure he can get the wheels rolling. |
| 06:55.05 | jnwhiteh | I mean, that sounds fun, but how is that relevant? =) |
| 06:55.18 | jnwhiteh | what would the nature of the collaboration be? |
| 06:55.46 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: He's the Head of IT. He's also vested in the communities at large. |
| 06:56.00 | Torhal | I'm sure he can have an arm or two twisted. |
| 06:56.03 | jnwhiteh | no, I get that |
| 06:56.08 | jnwhiteh | its not about twisting arms |
| 06:56.17 | jnwhiteh | I'm asking the practical question of what the collaboration would look like for the user |
| 06:56.20 | jnwhiteh | what would they see? |
| 06:56.58 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: If something was worked out in a synchronous manner, things would simply exist on both sites. |
| 06:57.36 | jnwhiteh | but my publisher owns the initial copyright on the original version of the documentation that I wrote for them |
| 06:57.40 | jnwhiteh | so it can't be bulk imported |
| 06:57.54 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: I'm talking API. |
| 06:58.00 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 06:58.02 | jnwhiteh | so am I |
| 06:58.08 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 06:58.33 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: So you're saying there are API docs that are verbatim or close enough, to this date, to warrant concern? |
| 06:58.51 | jnwhiteh | I was hired to write the first version of the book |
| 06:59.09 | jnwhiteh | as a part of that, everything I wrote, including the API reference, was copyright them. |
| 06:59.14 | jnwhiteh | I got a few good exemptions |
| 06:59.21 | jnwhiteh | 1.) I can make the API reference fully available on the web |
| 06:59.27 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: Ok, but what about the content of the site, right now? |
| 06:59.43 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: Also, WoWPedia is Creative Commons. |
| 06:59.53 | jnwhiteh | 2.) The license of the site indicates that contributions also grant a license to republish the work to wiley, but doesn't reassign ownership |
| 07:00.00 | jnwhiteh | Torhal: i know, that's part of the problem |
| 07:00.13 | jnwhiteh | So contributions to the site are not owned by the publisher, but the stuff I wrote originally is/was. |
| 07:00.47 | jnwhiteh | The second edition is in a very different legal place because of these contributions |
| 07:00.57 | Fisker | O_o |
| 07:00.57 | Torhal | That's problematic, unless you want to manually flag everything you originally did as exempt. |
| 07:00.59 | jnwhiteh | it was essentially the publisher reprinting our contributions |
| 07:01.00 | phelps | jnwhiteh: how would you even scope a project like that |
| 07:01.02 | Fisker | why are we at air 13.0? |
| 07:01.06 | jnwhiteh | phelps: it was very difficult. |
| 07:01.10 | Fisker | what happened to like 4-12? |
| 07:01.11 | jnwhiteh | but I'm pretty smart =) |
| 07:01.30 | jnwhiteh | phelps: I could easily spend time doing it |
| 07:01.35 | jnwhiteh | most of it could be automated |
| 07:01.39 | jnwhiteh | the flagging, in theory |
| 07:01.45 | jnwhiteh | but its difficult and tricky. |
| 07:01.52 | jnwhiteh | I would rather just get them to give me permission to share it. |
| 07:01.55 | jnwhiteh | which I've tried to. |
| 07:02.08 | jnwhiteh | since there's likely no commercial interest in it |
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| 07:03.18 | phelps | I dislike documenting my own code, but less massive amounts of someone else's |
| 07:03.28 | jnwhiteh | phelps: what are you referring to now? |
| 07:03.34 | Shirik | do you enjoy putting yourself through misery a year later? |
| 07:03.37 | jnwhiteh | if you're talking about the work we did on documenting the API |
| 07:03.39 | Shirik | because that's what happens when you don't document your code |
| 07:03.41 | jnwhiteh | it was complete and utter hell |
| 07:03.53 | jnwhiteh | Anyone remember roulette.lua? =) |
| 07:04.00 | Shirik | oh god |
| 07:04.02 | phelps | jnwhiteh: that and the presentation of it |
| 07:04.17 | Shirik | that was while I was still in college lol |
| 07:04.20 | jnwhiteh | phelps: it was 2500 .lua files stored in SVN. |
| 07:04.26 | phelps | jnwhiteh: its some of the best presented docs I've ever had the pleasure of using |
| 07:04.28 | jnwhiteh | phelps: I processed those and produced a "marked up" file |
| 07:04.29 | phelps | so thats something |
| 07:04.34 | jnwhiteh | which was then processed by a VBScript |
| 07:04.39 | jnwhiteh | to convert it into a format that could be printed |
| 07:05.50 | jnwhiteh | I started these licensing discussions in 2009 =( |
| 07:05.58 | jnwhiteh | and I just made the website change without talking to them |
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| 07:06.30 | jnwhiteh | Essentially, what I would like to do is open the API section of the |
| 07:06.30 | jnwhiteh | website under a dual licensing scheme. Contributers would still grant the rights listed above, but in addition the entire reference would be licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike license.” |
| 07:06.51 | jnwhiteh | maybeI can poke them again |
| 07:07.01 | jnwhiteh | the Noncommercial is important there |
| 07:07.08 | jnwhiteh | and I think wowpedia is just CC-A-SA |
| 07:07.13 | jnwhiteh | but I haven't checked lately :P |
| 07:07.58 | jnwhiteh | so yeah, I'm open to suggestions |
| 07:08.12 | jnwhiteh | I thought about a model where users were given an option to 'cross-post' their edits to wowpedia |
| 07:08.19 | jnwhiteh | and that happened semi-automatically |
| 07:08.24 | jnwhiteh | but that didn't seem/feel right either |
| 07:09.33 | phelps | just iframe the site, im sure that counts as just another browser window |
| 07:09.55 | jnwhiteh | that was indeed another suggestion |
| 07:10.11 | jnwhiteh | but then the content doesn't live on wowpedia and foxlit didn't "trust" me |
| 07:10.15 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: Whenever I've made edits on both sites for the same API, I've actually gone to great lengths to make the wording at least somewhat different. Which, also, has prevented me from making very many of such edits. |
| 07:10.17 | jnwhiteh | at one point, at least :P |
| 07:10.31 | jnwhiteh | Torhal: whywould you make the wording different? |
| 07:10.33 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 07:10.35 | Torhal | Though, to be honest, that whole approach is quite silly. |
| 07:10.40 | jnwhiteh | you should purposely NOT do that |
| 07:10.42 | jnwhiteh | you own the content |
| 07:10.45 | jnwhiteh | either way |
| 07:10.56 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: Slightly different, so as to not provoke. |
| 07:11.06 | jnwhiteh | there is no provocation |
| 07:11.09 | Torhal | I know _I_ wouldn't be liable. |
| 07:11.10 | jnwhiteh | we both have clear audit chains =) |
| 07:11.13 | jnwhiteh | no one would be |
| 07:11.15 | jnwhiteh | there's no risk |
| 07:11.20 | Torhal | I didn't kow if you had a provenance agreement. |
| 07:11.21 | jnwhiteh | I promise =) |
| 07:11.27 | jnwhiteh | don't need one |
| 07:11.30 | Torhal | Actually, none should be needed. |
| 07:11.33 | jnwhiteh | its your content! |
| 07:11.33 | Torhal | Aye. |
| 07:11.43 | Shirik | Wikipedia suffers from an interesting similar problem |
| 07:12.01 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 07:12.05 | Shirik | Page created, someone copies that into another page but fails to reference wikipedia, the page on Wikipedia is then marked for deletion as a copyright violation of that page |
| 07:12.12 | jnwhiteh | hah |
| 07:12.18 | Shirik | the number of times that has happened is absurd |
| 07:12.23 | jnwhiteh | yeah =/ |
| 07:16.08 | Shirik | http://gawker.com/firefighters-smash-2-day-old-bmw-that-was-illegally-blo-1562318209?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow |
| 07:17.29 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 07:17.37 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 07:18.16 | Fisker | http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--2Z4PVyVv--/fii5vea9hwt9gnjmlpnc.jpg |
| 07:18.49 | Fisker | I like that |
| 07:18.50 | Shirik | wtf |
| 07:18.54 | Fisker | what about you Shirik ? |
| 07:18.59 | Shirik | I wtfd |
| 07:19.13 | mikma | fisker: lul |
| 07:20.07 | Fisker | my poor systray |
| 07:20.15 | Fisker | just reinstalled |
| 07:20.18 | Fisker | and already like 15 icons in it |
| 07:22.36 | Fisker | Shirik btw |
| 07:22.43 | Fisker | will you buy me google glass next week? |
| 07:23.37 | mikma | http://www.runeaudio.com/ |
| 07:40.12 | karl_w_w | Fisker, I'll buy you google glass |
| 07:40.19 | karl_w_w | if you buy me a tesla model s |
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| 08:36.11 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 08:36.13 | Fisker | you're smart |
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| 11:12.17 | jleclanche | Fun fact: "quoting" and "citing" are the same word and concept in french |
| 11:12.19 | jleclanche | very annoying. |
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| 11:16.17 | zenzelezz | jleclanche: now that you mention it, I think it might be in Norwegian too; at the very least for the common translation |
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| 14:19.15 | karl_w_w | well they are almost identical in english |
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| 14:31.35 | Maldivia | not really |
| 14:40.45 | Fisker | asdfgsfds Maldivia |
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| 16:03.45 | Shirik | :( http://www.abstrusegoose.com/563 |
| 16:08.42 | Shirik | http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2014/04/a-hundred-pound-suit-of-bees/100715/ |
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| 17:42.00 | jleclanche | So I have three external hard drives which I want mounted at boot time. I do not want them to block boot however (as they currently do) and I do not want them to prevent boot if they are missing |
| 17:42.11 | Neffi | lol https://imgur.com/gallery/Q0iBQ |
| 17:42.21 | jleclanche | currently they are in fstab which fails both of these |
| 17:42.25 | jleclanche | any idea? Arrowmaster? |
| 17:43.12 | kd3|hate`net | there's an option that'll have it not block... 'lazy mount' iirc |
| 17:43.39 | jleclanche | kd3: but it'll still prevent boot if missing? |
| 17:43.41 | Neffi | I'm pretty sure there's also a daemon for mounting without fstab. I can't recall tho |
| 17:43.48 | jleclanche | yes fuse |
| 17:43.55 | kd3 | automount |
| 17:44.04 | Neffi | No, besides that. I saw it when thumbing through stfuf |
| 17:44.09 | jleclanche | kd3: what? |
| 17:44.11 | jleclanche | Neffi: autofs |
| 17:44.50 | Neffi | mebe |
| 17:45.39 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: if you set the right options in fstab they should work how you want |
| 17:45.56 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: so both of these are possible in fstab? |
| 17:46.22 | Arrowmaster | what exactly did you mean by block boot? they arent encrypted are they? |
| 17:46.38 | jleclanche | they arent encrypted however boot blocks until they answer the probe and get fully mounted |
| 17:46.50 | kd3 | ./dev/foo /mnt/bar auto nofail 0 0 |
| 17:47.01 | Arrowmaster | dont use 0 0 |
| 17:47.14 | jleclanche | they're 0 2 |
| 17:47.19 | jleclanche | (currently) |
| 17:49.13 | Arrowmaster | nofail and 0 2 (if nothing else is 0 2) is as close as youll get, i didnt think they were supposed to block boot like that thought maybe its a systemd thing |
| 17:49.37 | jleclanche | well they get mounted synchronously |
| 17:49.55 | jleclanche | and im guessing by default systemd thinks anything in fstab is critical so it waits |
| 17:50.31 | Arrowmaster | nofail will be a lot more reliable than trying to have something else automount them for you |
| 17:50.38 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster, kd3: does this look right? http://dpaste.com/1777740/ |
| 17:51.09 | kd3 | yah, that should work |
| 17:51.11 | Arrowmaster | up them to 0 3 |
| 17:51.19 | jleclanche | whats 0 3? thats not valid |
| 17:51.39 | Arrowmaster | i thought it was an int |
| 17:51.46 | jleclanche | 0 3 is red in vim |
| 17:51.48 | Arrowmaster | let me look at man |
| 17:51.59 | jleclanche | when i checked man only said 1 and 2 are valid |
| 17:52.17 | kd3 | afaik the only valid values are 0-2 for the 6th field |
| 17:52.19 | Arrowmaster | hmm why did i think you could use any number |
| 17:52.37 | jleclanche | probably because it makes sense |
| 17:52.38 | Arrowmaster | man only mentions 1-2 |
| 17:52.56 | jleclanche | also |
| 17:53.00 | jleclanche | whats relatime and data=ordered? |
| 17:53.06 | jleclanche | (cba to google) |
| 17:53.23 | Arrowmaster | those should be defaults and not needed to be entered |
| 17:53.56 | Arrowmaster | relatime means only update the access time if its older than the write time |
| 17:54.05 | zenzelezz | my few attempts to do anything useful with fstab have mostly been ffstab experiences |
| 17:54.23 | jleclanche | more like ffs-tab am i right |
| 17:54.24 | Arrowmaster | data=ordered is telling ext4 how to write data |
| 17:54.29 | kd3 | data=ordered is an ext4 thing so it tries to line up writes to extents |
| 17:54.31 | jleclanche | i bet thats an original joke |
| 17:54.58 | zenzelezz | jleclanche: that was basically what I said, but I left out the - because it would ruin the file name |
| 17:56.23 | jleclanche | you dont think an extra f wouldnt? |
| 17:56.29 | jleclanche | also zenzelezz |
| 17:56.35 | jleclanche | more like ffs-stab, am i right? right right? |
| 17:56.46 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 17:57.47 | jleclanche | Thunder_Child: would you have me do jokes about fsck instead? |
| 17:58.06 | Thunder_Child | I'll take option C. |
| 17:58.11 | Thunder_Child | No jokes at all |
| 18:00.57 | kd3 | systemd says 'nofail' will do what you want |
| 18:01.01 | kd3 | http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.mount.html |
| 18:01.15 | jleclanche | http://dpaste.com/1777743/ this isnt doing what i want in the first place |
| 18:04.23 | Arrowmaster | it didnt give an error on mounting? |
| 18:04.38 | Arrowmaster | and ive never seen that Transport endpoint thing before |
| 18:05.00 | jleclanche | its usually fuse-related |
| 18:05.05 | jleclanche | this is currently a ntfs drive though |
| 18:05.11 | jleclanche | im trying to check if theres anything worth saving in it |
| 18:05.21 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 18:05.38 | Arrowmaster | so you added it to fstab as an ntfs drive? |
| 18:05.43 | jleclanche | not yet |
| 18:05.46 | jleclanche | im just testing it at the mo |
| 18:06.32 | sintAcks | slaps Arrowmaster around a bit with a large trout | 4,863 tributes to Monty Python |
| 18:17.52 | Ressy | y5t |
| 18:18.24 | Ressy | yr6hfr45y |
| 18:19.27 | Ressy | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.50 | kd3 | cat on the keyboard, ressy? |
| 18:23.27 | zenzelezz | just his new passwords |
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| 18:28.49 | Shirik | having a cat choose your passwords is quite effective |
| 18:30.15 | Ressy | I'm female, thanks. |
| 18:30.21 | Ressy | And that was my son playing with my keyboard. |
| 18:30.23 | Ressy | He knows better |
| 18:31.23 | Ressy | usually he hits up my ISP's IRC channel instead. |
| 18:34.13 | Fisker | why do your isp have an irc channel |
| 18:34.35 | Fisker | having a son is silly though, cats master race |
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| 18:36.04 | Ressy | well, lots of people from my ISP idle there, from customers to employees who do support. |
| 18:36.38 | Ressy | And its easy to contact the network director (aka god/gabe) if one of the routes goes to shit and starts having issues to Blizzard. |
| 18:37.04 | fewyn | i prefer to sacrafice chickens to the brighthouse gods |
| 18:37.12 | Ressy | altho, half the time he already knows because he's always playing Diablo3 with me. lol |
| 18:37.24 | Ressy | Teksavvy's a good ISP. Great people. :) |
| 18:47.48 | jleclanche | I need some vocabulary =( |
| 18:48.26 | jleclanche | Imagine a small parabolic antenna attached to a stick. It can move horizontally (rotate horizontally), or vertically (go up/down) |
| 18:48.49 | jleclanche | but it could also, without moving horizontally or vertically, change direction |
| 18:49.26 | jleclanche | how would you call that? |
| 18:49.28 | Iriel | rotational about the direction of focus, or about some other axis? |
| 18:49.44 | jleclanche | its not really on an axis |
| 18:49.59 | Iriel | There are three axes of rotation (pitch, yaw, roll) |
| 18:50.05 | Iriel | and then three axes of translation |
| 18:50.10 | Iriel | it’s got to be one of those, or some combination |
| 18:50.26 | jleclanche | hmm |
| 18:51.16 | jleclanche | Iriel: imagine this is a small parabolic antenna that would fit in your hand: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Erdfunkstelle_Raisting_2.jpg |
| 18:52.00 | jleclanche | Iriel: it can pitch (move up and down), and roll (move left and right). but you can also pick up the little thing at the center and sort of wiggle it around |
| 18:52.28 | Iriel | Left and right is, IIRC, yaw, not roll |
| 18:52.34 | jleclanche | er, you're right sorry |
| 18:52.45 | Iriel | Are you just moving the focus or is it rigidly attached to the dish? |
| 18:53.01 | jleclanche | you're moving the dish, and not the stick it's attached to |
| 18:53.24 | Iriel | isnt’ that just causing pitch and yaw a different way? |
| 18:53.33 | Iriel | or are you translating the dish without changing its direction? |
| 18:53.44 | jleclanche | it is a different kind of pitch and yaw, yeah |
| 18:53.50 | jleclanche | but it doesnt have as much give |
| 18:54.25 | jleclanche | i mean, you would never be able to pitch or yaw 360 degrees with that, only as much as the attachment to the base gives you |
| 18:55.45 | Iriel | It doesn’t sound like a different TYPE of movement, maybe more of a fine-tuning adjustment |
| 18:55.52 | jleclanche | yeah |
| 18:56.03 | jleclanche | http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/parabolic-antenna-icon-illustration-white-background-34200799.jpg this is a good one to illustrate it with i guess |
| 18:56.32 | jleclanche | it can move left, right, up and down by moving the bearing |
| 18:56.47 | jleclanche | but imagine the attachment to the bearing itself has a little give |
| 18:57.35 | jleclanche | hmm its just pitch and yaw with a different anchor |
| 19:08.47 | kd3 | anyone having issues connecting to enwiki? |
| 19:10.24 | kd3 | though it'd help if I learned to spell wikipedia correctly |
| 19:13.13 | Iriel | kd3: No issues, but I can also spell. |
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| 19:27.06 | jleclanche | Neffi, zenzelezz: https://plus.google.com/+JeromeLeclanche/posts/W2jYxmGJMyg |
| 19:27.12 | jleclanche | in case you were wondering what i went with |
| 19:29.26 | zenzelezz | interesting |
| 19:33.15 | Neffi | nice. wil read later. about to head out |
| 19:36.59 | Neffi | lol https://imgur.com/gallery/UPcFRGD |
| 19:37.20 | jleclanche | GoT is on monday right? |
| 19:37.59 | Neffi | Sunday night |
| 19:37.59 | zenzelezz | already been one, but I believe so |
| 19:38.03 | zenzelezz | Sunday US or something |
| 19:38.06 | jleclanche | ah great |
| 19:38.12 | Neffi | Well, Sunday 9PM EST |
| 19:38.38 | zenzelezz | was on HBO Nordic on Monday, which is nice; no need to find alternate sources |
| 19:39.22 | Neffi | Meh. I could watch it on TV. But I dont have a DVR. The way I see it, HBO is paid for so I've got a license to see it. Alternate sources are just more convinent |
| 19:45.43 | zenzelezz | I don't know how things work where you are |
| 19:45.53 | zenzelezz | all I know is if I wanted to watch it on TV here, I'd be behind |
| 19:46.07 | zenzelezz | and I can deal with ~$13/month |
| 19:50.32 | nevcairiel | in germany it airs on some stupid pay tv channel, and i'm not subscribing to a whole pay tv package for one show, so screw them |
| 19:53.46 | Neffi | It airs on a pay channel everywhere. It's an HBO production |
| 19:54.36 | nevcairiel | but its not a HBO channel here, some other pay tv provider got the rights from HBO and they require you to buy a huge package of channels to get it, like $50 a month |
| 19:55.11 | nevcairiel | should just let me buy a stream online, at my convenient watching time without a dvr |
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| 20:22.26 | nebula169 | would be glorious if hbo go worked like netflix/etc, but cable contracts will probably make that never happen |
| 20:24.08 | zenzelezz | what do you mean? |
| 20:24.37 | zenzelezz | the HBO we get here is exactly like that, unless I misunderstand what you're getting at |
| 20:24.49 | Cide | all episodes of a season released at once perhaps |
| 20:25.24 | Cide | but in all other respects it's pretty identical to netflix |
| 20:31.39 | Ressy | es |
| 20:32.10 | Ressy | 091124 |
| 20:34.44 | Thunder_Child | I think he means because you have to have the sub via tv for it to work |
| 20:35.04 | Thunder_Child | I don't have TV service so I can not get HBO Go |
| 20:35.47 | zenzelezz | I don't think we can get HBO on TV at all here |
| 20:36.01 | Cide | same |
| 20:36.13 | Cide | HBO Nordic is pretty much identical to netflix |
| 20:48.02 | Thunder_Child | Well if I try to sign up it takes me to a tv provider so....yea |
| 20:48.42 | Cide | move to scandinavia :) |
| 20:52.52 | nevcairiel | They dont have something like that here, because one shitty pay tv provider bought the rights, so HBO cannot offer it otherwise |
| 20:52.57 | nevcairiel | and they dont offer streaming or anything |
| 20:53.02 | nevcairiel | just broadcast |
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| 21:02.28 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/lASjFjP1OAGp.png MORONS. |
| 21:02.42 | jleclanche | Step 1: stupid password requirements to make it "secure" |
| 21:02.49 | jleclanche | Step 2: 16 CHARACTER LIMIT |
| 21:03.07 | jleclanche | these guys actually managed to pull the worst of both worlds |
| 21:03.22 | Cide | disk space is expensive bro |
| 21:03.35 | Dagmar | >.< |
| 21:03.57 | Cide | and a large variance in password length makes timing attacks easier to pull off |
| 21:04.00 | Cide | clearly. |
| 21:04.52 | phelps | anyone happen to know where I could find a diff for the heartbleed fix ? |
| 21:05.09 | jleclanche | http://git.openssl.org/gitweb/?p=openssl.git;a=commitdiff;h=96db9023b881d7cd9f379b0c154650d6c108e9a3 |
| 21:05.13 | jleclanche | googled "heartbleed fix diff" |
| 21:05.24 | phelps | so did I |
| 21:05.37 | phelps | yay for google fucking shit up with personal results |
| 21:05.50 | Cide | that fix is much larger than I thought it would be |
| 21:06.36 | Cide | would have guessed it to be something like "payload_length = min(payload_length, buffer_length);" |
| 21:06.48 | phelps | still silly that something so small can be so detrimental |
| 21:06.55 | Cide | indeed |
| 21:07.14 | Cide | but it wouldn't have been so devastating if they responsibly used libc malloc and free |
| 21:07.21 | kd3 | buffer overflows have been c's downfall forever |
| 21:07.38 | phelps | I've never understood things like this |
| 21:07.39 | phelps | if (1 + 2 + 16 > s->s3->rrec.length) |
| 21:07.49 | phelps | why 1+2+16 and not just 19 |
| 21:07.54 | nevcairiel | clarity |
| 21:07.59 | jleclanche | to make it clearer what the number is |
| 21:08.17 | kd3 | it's 3 magic numbers. it could at least be one magic number |
| 21:08.26 | jleclanche | like doing 60*60*24 instead of 86400 |
| 21:08.35 | Cide | presumably they all have meaning, but could use more docs |
| 21:08.47 | phelps | I guess it'd make sense if I knew what the code was doing |
| 21:08.55 | phelps | but there isn't any comment on what those numbers mean |
| 21:09.01 | jleclanche | though by now any programmer should be able to know by heart how many seconds are in a day :P |
| 21:09.20 | nevcairiel | 1 byte message type, 2 byte length, 16 byte padding space |
| 21:09.32 | phelps | 86400 3600 120 720 |
| 21:09.39 | Cide | 420 blaze it |
| 21:09.45 | phelps | not yet, 11 min |
| 21:09.56 | Cide | not even close here |
| 21:09.57 | phelps | _is waiting_ |
| 21:10.04 | jleclanche | know your powers of 4, know your multiples of 60 |
| 21:10.10 | jleclanche | .. powers of 2. |
| 21:10.22 | kd3 | was gonna say |
| 21:10.39 | Cide | know the numbers that can be represented as a multiplication of primes |
| 21:10.41 | jleclanche | yeah, the shit you thought was gonna be useful in school, right |
| 21:10.51 | phelps | lol |
| 21:12.10 | phelps | oh there it is, was in a different file "Allocate memory for the response, size is 1 byte message type, plus 2 bytes payload length, plus payload, plus padding" |
| 21:12.22 | nevcairiel | if you know all the numbers represented by multiplications of primes, you get really good at hacking rsa |
| 21:12.40 | jleclanche | also, know all the numbers |
| 21:12.44 | jleclanche | that one is very useful |
| 21:12.50 | Cide | nevcairiel: yep |
| 21:13.11 | phelps | gonna raise my kid to never know about base 10 |
| 21:13.17 | phelps | teach everything in base 12 |
| 21:13.22 | nevcairiel | thats going to be hard |
| 21:13.24 | Cide | he/she will thank you for it |
| 21:13.25 | nevcairiel | with money et al |
| 21:13.31 | phelps | lol |
| 21:13.38 | Cide | nevcairiel: nah, you would just be tipping a lot |
| 21:13.47 | Cide | here's 10 dollars <gives 12> |
| 21:14.21 | Cide | you can also only speak with your kid using Google Translate |
| 21:14.25 | Cide | in various languages |
| 21:14.30 | Cide | would be really funny |
| 21:14.42 | phelps | the bubbly language |
| 21:14.43 | jleclanche | spoken "ten" would still be dec10 in any base though |
| 21:15.01 | nevcairiel | only because of convention |
| 21:15.05 | Cide | no |
| 21:15.31 | jleclanche | now if you get the bill and you expect it to be in base 12 then the waitress gets more money and gives you her number |
| 21:15.32 | Cide | "ten" is the name for dec10, not "one followed by zero in base 10" |
| 21:15.40 | jleclanche | um |
| 21:15.53 | jleclanche | count to twelve in base12 in writing, go ahead |
| 21:16.05 | nevcairiel | so thats how i get her number? |
| 21:16.12 | Cide | jleclanche: not sure what you mean |
| 21:16.30 | jleclanche | Cide: you're now dozenal. count to twelve and write it on irc |
| 21:16.32 | nevcairiel | does base12 have some fancy syntax to identify it? |
| 21:16.37 | Cide | ..., 9, A, B, 10 |
| 21:16.46 | Cide | ^_^ |
| 21:16.47 | jleclanche | in written form, Cide |
| 21:16.50 | Cide | I did |
| 21:17.07 | jleclanche | in "one, two, three..." form. |
| 21:17.10 | nevcairiel | he means like, eight, nine, aaaa, beeee, ten |
| 21:17.23 | phelps | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6xJfP7-HCc |
| 21:17.24 | jleclanche | except thats terrible |
| 21:17.26 | Cide | the tenth number after zero is still pronounced "ten" |
| 21:17.26 | phelps | is what I was watchin |
| 21:17.28 | Cide | regardless of base |
| 21:17.31 | Cide | that's what I am saying |
| 21:17.58 | jleclanche | so you pronounce 9, A, B, 10 as nine, ten, eleven, twelve |
| 21:17.59 | jleclanche | correct? |
| 21:18.03 | Cide | yes |
| 21:18.12 | nevcairiel | i suppose you could argue that "ten" isnt strictly decimal |
| 21:18.16 | jleclanche | so we agree, if you say "here's ten dollars", you give her dec10 dollars |
| 21:18.24 | Cide | jleclanche: yes, I never contested that :) |
| 21:18.30 | jleclanche | right, that was what i was saying |
| 21:18.37 | jleclanche | <jleclanche> spoken "ten" would still be dec10 in any base though |
| 21:18.38 | jleclanche | <Cide> no |
| 21:18.48 | Cide | I was contesting nevcairiel's "only because of convention" comment |
| 21:18.52 | jleclanche | oh. |
| 21:19.40 | jleclanche | who knew a few seconds of lag could waste so much time |
| 21:20.35 | Cide | :) |
| 21:20.54 | jleclanche | Cide: lets beat up nevcairiel for his way of thinking |
| 21:20.57 | Cide | done |
| 21:21.16 | nevcairiel | my only point was that not knowing decimal would get mighty confusing if you handle the spoken numbers |
| 21:21.35 | Cide | I don't think so, since the spoken numbers don't care about the base |
| 21:21.43 | jleclanche | they do, to a point |
| 21:21.45 | Cide | it's in writing where it gets confusing |
| 21:21.45 | nevcairiel | but they map perfectly to decimal |
| 21:21.51 | Cide | nevcairiel: how so? |
| 21:22.04 | nevcairiel | they also work in blocks of 10, 100, etc |
| 21:22.08 | Cide | they don't |
| 21:22.14 | Cide | oh yeah, I guess they do |
| 21:22.15 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: in english they map perfectly to dozenal actually |
| 21:22.27 | Cide | one hundred, one thousand |
| 21:22.38 | jleclanche | yes those arent a problem |
| 21:22.46 | Cide | nevcairiel has a point |
| 21:22.54 | Cide | it is decimal-centric |
| 21:23.06 | nevcairiel | the roll-overs are just at the same spots |
| 21:23.12 | nevcairiel | which helps |
| 21:23.16 | Cide | "one hundred and thirty five" maps to 135 |
| 21:23.19 | Cide | in base 12 it wouldn't |
| 21:23.56 | phelps | do you think a large extinction event could erase enough of todays world to make base 12 a possibility |
| 21:24.23 | jleclanche | one two ... nine ten eleven twelve thirteen (w. 10) fourteen ... eleventeen twelveteen twenty .. twenty-eleven, twenty twelve ... ninety-eleven, ninety-twelve, one hundred ... eleven hundred and ninety-eleven, one thousand |
| 21:24.48 | jleclanche | phelps: yes, very much so |
| 21:25.06 | Cide | base twelve is much more convenient because 12 has more divisors |
| 21:25.07 | jleclanche | phelps: most natural languages are meant to be in base 12 |
| 21:25.25 | Cide | 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 12 |
| 21:25.28 | jleclanche | and all the non-decimal units are in base 12 |
| 21:25.28 | phelps | and we HAVE the hands to count in base 12 |
| 21:25.31 | Cide | instead of 1, 2, 5, 10 |
| 21:25.33 | phelps | on your hands |
| 21:25.37 | phelps | 0 fingers, 1 2345 |
| 21:25.38 | jleclanche | we have the hands to count to 60 =P |
| 21:25.39 | phelps | etc |
| 21:25.50 | phelps | so we do have 12 states on our hands |
| 21:26.19 | jleclanche | um yeah but that doesnt change the fact that to count to 10 you need 11 states |
| 21:26.47 | phelps | thats fine |
| 21:26.53 | phelps | no state on either hand |
| 21:26.58 | jleclanche | my point is 0 fingers doesnt magically do the trick :P |
| 21:27.05 | phelps | 0 hands does |
| 21:27.47 | phelps | or facing your hands away/towards you |
| 21:27.56 | phelps | you gain the 2 extra states |
| 21:28.05 | Cide | I mean if you teach people binary you have 2^10 states trivially |
| 21:28.17 | Cide | each finger represents 1 bit |
| 21:30.39 | jleclanche | Cide: anyway my point was you could easily use the current written system for dozenal without falling into the bullshit french trap |
| 21:31.03 | jleclanche | four twenty ten nine. |
| 21:31.19 | Cide | yeah, but it wouldn't use the same spoken words for each number |
| 21:31.41 | jleclanche | of course |
| 21:31.44 | Cide | so you wouldn't be able to integrate with the rest of society very easily |
| 21:32.04 | jleclanche | you're switching to dozenal. you dont have any friends to actually talk to in the first place. |
| 21:32.12 | Cide | :D fair |
| 21:49.07 | kd3 | lol: https://twitter.com/kevinmitnick/status/454816910320758784 |
| 21:50.16 | Cide | kd3: does he have any significance in the discovery of heartbleed or? |
| 21:50.51 | kd3 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Mitnick |
| 21:51.22 | Cide | oh, so not specifically related to heartbleed |
| 21:51.30 | kd3 | nah |
| 21:51.35 | Cide | hah, that's hilarious |
| 22:06.17 | Cide | I almost introduced a cycling security dependency |
| 22:06.28 | Cide | by adding 2 factor auth to lastpass using my google authenticator |
| 22:06.33 | Cide | and having lastpass store my google password |
| 22:06.48 | Cide | close call |
| 22:06.53 | Cide | cyclic* |
| 22:07.23 | phelps | my dropbox password is also my keypass password |
| 22:07.43 | jleclanche | Cide: this is my own personal cycling security dependency: https://mediacru.sh/FRCAs1VpAq-1 |
| 22:07.59 | Cide | not funny :( |
| 22:08.07 | jleclanche | best i could come up with |
| 22:08.11 | Cide | it was pretty funny |
| 22:08.19 | Cide | but mocking my typo =/ |
| 22:08.28 | Cide | phelps: so you are handing off all your passwords to dropbox? :P |
| 22:08.36 | phelps | dropbox owns me |
| 22:08.50 | kd3 | bad idea now that condi rice is on their board |
| 22:08.54 | phelps | but there is a problem |
| 22:09.00 | Cide | I was just going to say, kde |
| 22:09.01 | Cide | kd3* |
| 22:09.02 | Cide | god damnit |
| 22:09.07 | kd3 | wonders when she's going to send them off to war on lies |
| 22:09.30 | phelps | google is too important for a password that can be guessed, so its random 18 characters, dropbox has my google password in it |
| 22:09.36 | jleclanche | maybe she'll wage a war on non-pythonic programming languages |
| 22:09.46 | phelps | I'd like to use google drive but that would require me to lower the strength of my google password |
| 22:09.49 | jleclanche | guido still works there too right? |
| 22:09.59 | Cide | yes |
| 22:13.02 | jleclanche | http://blog.regehr.org/archives/1128 |
| 22:13.10 | jleclanche | "Nice! As you might guess, additional locations in OpenSSL are also flagged by this analysis, but it isn’t my place to share those here." |
| 22:13.38 | jleclanche | what with the plurality of this sentence, i feel like we may see a heartbleed 2 in a few weeks.. |
| 22:15.10 | Cide | should switch to NSS |
| 22:15.42 | jleclanche | i dont get why chrome switched to openssl from nss |
| 22:15.51 | jleclanche | that popped up again on hn the other day actually |
| 22:16.03 | Cide | nss -> nsa has an edit distance of 1 |
| 22:18.25 | phelps | thanks obama |
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| 22:59.29 | Cide | Shirik: hi |
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| 23:41.29 | Semlar | is last season's gladiator gear still available or is it gone forever |
| 23:58.25 | VIad | any news regarding WOD? any news on the container front? |
| 23:58.50 | Stanzilla | what do you want to know |
