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| 00:03.29 | Shirik | "A woman was taken into custody after hurling what she said was a shoe at Hillary Clinton" |
| 00:03.38 | Shirik | I do not understand, could nobody confirm whether or not it was a shoe? |
| 00:06.50 | Krevan | tinystomper: Blizzard guarantees "On or before 20 December 2014" That's as close as you'll get for a while. |
| 00:09.08 | tinystomper | thx Krevan |
| 00:09.20 | Krevan | You're welcome. :) |
| 00:10.25 | Krevan | kd3: is it that many lines because of the new base framework, or did they completely rebuild it from scratch to something new? |
| 00:11.11 | MysticalOS | Shirik, are you saying, someone bushed Hillary? |
| 00:11.29 | kd3 | major patches and expansions tend to merge in branches that blizz has been working on internally for some time, and some of the things they've been working on are huge (like the map/quest log rewrite) |
| 00:11.58 | Krevan | Hm. I was just wondering for the change from MPQ to CASC |
| 00:12.14 | kd3 | the ui doesn't care about that low-level stuff |
| 00:12.21 | Krevan | Ah.\ |
| 00:12.30 | Krevan | I sent you my email, did you get it? |
| 00:13.58 | kd3 | I did not. I think I'm set up that people have to have registered nicks for me to get privmsgs. if you want, ping me at kd3@wowpedia.org and I'll send it your way |
| 00:14.36 | Krevan | Okay. |
| 00:14.44 | tinystomper | got a questions... if i have a function that is processing many different strings, and part of that processing is parsing it into subcomponents stored in local variables.... |
| 00:14.46 | Krevan | Also, how do I register my name on here? |
| 00:14.58 | tinystomper | would that lead to a leak of sorts? |
| 00:15.01 | kd3 | ./msg nickserv help register |
| 00:15.45 | Krevan | Okay. Sent an email kd3, and I will register after I get back. :) |
| 00:15.50 | kd3 | kk |
| 00:16.03 | tinystomper | ie: local s = msg:sub(1,40) ; <--- if called 10,000 times with different values of msg, would it increase memory usage (ie: leak) |
| 00:16.17 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 00:16.45 | tinystomper | i read somewhere blizz was storing keys/hashes to strings for quicker access |
| 00:16.53 | Arrowmaster | no thats lua |
| 00:17.14 | tinystomper | well, ok... does lua (in wow) leak if i do that? |
| 00:17.52 | Arrowmaster | you cant have memory leaks in a garbage collected language |
| 00:18.23 | tinystomper | the gc comes around every 30-60 seconds. during that time, it seems to creep up. any way to stop that? |
| 00:18.44 | Arrowmaster | the gc is constant |
| 00:19.07 | Arrowmaster | stop worrying about it |
| 00:19.11 | kd3 | unless you're doing something excessive, you're not going to put a dent into the memory that wow overall is using |
| 00:19.30 | tinystomper | it just drives me a bit nuts |
| 00:19.48 | tinystomper | the fun one i found was the massive table leak i had by calling time() |
| 00:20.12 | tinystomper | seems it returns an allocated table |
| 00:20.16 | MysticalOS | two void storage pages in 6.0 ui diff |
| 00:20.44 | Arrowmaster | depending on how you call time yeah it can do that |
| 00:21.54 | Arrowmaster | and thats still probably not a memory leak, just excessive table creation that will get GC'd |
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| 00:23.32 | tinystomper | oh, i was calling it 10-20 times a second. it sure felt like a leak |
| 00:24.01 | Gethe | https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-source/commit/a69fcc02ec55e42798143c27e5a99b805cd88067 uploaded the diff |
| 00:24.05 | tinystomper | once identified, found a way around it. just wondering if there could be another such thing floating around |
| 00:27.32 | Arrowmaster | hmm hexchat segfaulted on me again so i opened up quassel, it segfaulted on me too when trying to set it up |
| 00:28.35 | Krevan | ive started to use IRCcloud just testing it, and I love it so far... saves all my channels between my PC and Android for when im not home, and I can login if i leave this open and can see all the chat ive missed :) |
| 00:29.25 | Arrowmaster | browser based, wont touch with 10 foot pole |
| 00:30.38 | Krevan | like i said |
| 00:33.03 | A-KO | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SXs3JZgZtk |
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| 00:50.36 | Corrodias | i've started using ZNC for the same thing |
| 00:51.06 | Corrodias | i run it on my home server and connect with my usual clients |
| 00:51.28 | kd3 | huh. lots of 1/nils getting changed to true/falses all over the api |
| 00:56.25 | Neffi | that makes me happy kd3 |
| 00:56.34 | Neffi | I dont know why, but 1/nil always bothered me |
| 01:06.01 | Trela | I have never seen 1/nil until right now and it makes me rage immediately. |
| 01:06.12 | Trela | Why not at least a 0?! |
| 01:13.13 | kd3 | here's what I've got so far, I'm only up to the tokenUI addon: http://wowpedia.org/Patch_6.0.1/API_changes |
| 01:15.19 | kd3 | ...a second void storage page!? |
| 01:16.12 | Neffi | Trela: Because Lua evaluates 0 as 'true' since it holds a value |
| 01:16.50 | Neffi | So if the API returned 1/0, you couldn't use boolean logic intuitively. `if someAPI(1) then` would have to become `if someAPI(1) == 1 then` |
| 01:22.48 | Trela | Damn it, LUA. |
| 01:23.39 | Neffi | https://github.com/mniip/LUA ? |
| 01:28.01 | Arrowmaster | you can blame lua 4.0 for that |
| 01:29.09 | kd3 | new AddonList UIPanel? there's at least a new "Addons" button in the game (esc) menu |
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| 01:37.09 | TC-Work | Anyone know any good audio testing software for linux? |
| 01:38.54 | kd3 | yay! +ERR_ATTACK_PVP_TARGET_WHILE_UNFLAGGED = "You cannot do that to a PVP target while PVP is disabled."; |
| 01:40.42 | Shirik | so adobe audition is pretty amazing |
| 01:40.57 | Shirik | it's like they looked at photoshop and went "well what if it worked on sound" |
| 01:41.02 | Shirik | it even has a fucking paintbrush tool |
| 01:41.15 | kd3 | they're finally showing cooldowns numerically instead of via the radial swipe? only took 9 years |
| 01:41.48 | Shirik | what, you mean you actually wanted to be able to SEE your cooldowns? |
| 01:43.31 | Semlar | so... my hunter pets are automatically casting growl |
| 01:43.40 | Semlar | with autocast disabled |
| 01:43.45 | Shirik | is your tank now refusing to play with you ever? |
| 01:44.03 | Semlar | i can't figure out how to stop this |
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| 01:56.48 | Neffi | Semlar: your pets need more love. they're too angry |
| 02:02.51 | Semlar | my pets are jerks |
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| 03:03.08 | pompy | http://cdn.damnyouautocorrect.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/google.jpg |
| 03:03.31 | Neffi | lol |
| 03:05.12 | Neffi | http://openopenssl.org/ .. |
| 03:05.38 | Neffi | Theo should just change his name to "Open" |
| 03:06.12 | pompy | 503 |
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| 04:41.31 | Fisker | man Neffi |
| 04:41.52 | Fisker | Instead of all the mad passive aggressiveness |
| 04:41.53 | Fisker | http://i6.minus.com/ibj0cRIR7gxlHW.png |
| 04:44.06 | Neffi | <_< |
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| 05:37.29 | Shirik | http://gyazo.com/48df552dcc71f4de51389b7b2ecae6ff |
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| 06:05.56 | Gethe | https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-textures/commit/500a4c939bdb6d9bd0843eaa0bd5b56a17d30679 alpha texture diff |
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| 06:06.17 | phelps | how would I check global cooldown ? |
| 06:06.24 | phelps | just so I know if GCD is active |
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| 06:10.16 | Gethe | use GetSpellCooldown on a spell that is affected by the gcd |
| 06:10.52 | nevcairiel | ideally pick a spell which doesnt have its own cooldown ;) |
| 06:11.03 | Gethe | but there isnt a specific GetGCD or w/e function |
| 06:11.54 | phelps | auto attack ? |
| 06:13.15 | Gethe | no more like a monks Blackout Kick or hunters Steady Shot |
| 06:13.27 | Gethe | autos have there own timer |
| 06:16.00 | Neffi | phelps: No, don't do that. Give me just a sec to look back at my code |
| 06:16.55 | Neffi | GetSpellCooldown(61304) -- 61304 == placeholder spell representing the GCD |
| 06:17.26 | Neffi | Checking the cooldown of a player's spell is not certain. That is |
| 06:17.47 | Gethe | good to know |
| 06:18.36 | phelps | awesome, never would have thought of finding a specific spell for it |
| 06:18.36 | Neffi | I bet a lot of addons don't use this, because I dont think it was added until a few years ago. You used to have to guess at the GCD by checking one of the player's spells for a cooldown, which doesnt have its own cooldown |
| 06:19.34 | Neffi | here's my GCD event handler, for reference http://codepad.org/XOedS0kJ |
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| 06:32.20 | Gethe | https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-source/commit/a920fe2cd833f05f9eb23bc0aac036cc7c8b813e |
| 06:32.29 | Gethe | GlueXML diff |
| 06:33.47 | phelps | byebye blizzcon |
| 06:36.09 | Gethe | having caracter copy in game should be pretty convieniant |
| 06:36.18 | Gethe | character* |
| 06:36.27 | phelps | and more than 10 characters ? |
| 06:37.03 | phelps | CharacterSelect_ScrollList |
| 06:37.19 | phelps | when does that happen ? |
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| 06:38.00 | Gethe | i havent seen it |
| 06:38.03 | phelps | I don't have characters with gear good enough to want to copy anything other than templates |
| 06:38.35 | Gethe | if you have 11 toons it just removes the create button. no scroll bar |
| 06:38.51 | phelps | boo |
| 06:39.38 | phelps | no new classes or races in warlords right ? |
| 06:39.45 | Gethe | nope |
| 06:40.00 | phelps | they'll only ever increase it to match the # of classes |
| 06:40.18 | Gethe | yeah thats what happened for mists |
| 06:40.53 | phelps | I didn't even know there was a beta |
| 06:42.40 | Gethe | if you didnt see the previuos diff i have it up there as well. |
| 06:44.14 | Neffi | "GetCVar("password")" this startled me for a moment, before I realized it was specifically for Blizzcon |
| 06:44.37 | Semlar | GetsCVar('neffi') |
| 06:44.46 | Gethe | yeah, lots of special stuff for blizzcon |
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| 06:45.08 | Neffi | Semlar: I wonder what type you would use to represent me |
| 06:45.28 | Semlar | fire type |
| 06:45.44 | phelps | BLOB |
| 06:46.02 | phelps | BLOB said with extra "breath" sound |
| 06:46.07 | phelps | use a lot of air when you say it |
| 06:46.10 | phelps | BLOB |
| 06:46.15 | Neffi | o.o |
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| 06:46.22 | Semlar | i think he's calling you fat |
| 06:46.23 | Neffi | I think phelps is calling me fat |
| 06:46.27 | Semlar | NEFFI |
| 06:46.35 | Neffi | lol |
| 06:46.44 | Semlar | we're soulmates |
| 06:46.49 | Neffi | indeed |
| 06:47.15 | Gethe | you're just finding this out? /sigh |
| 06:47.32 | Semlar | >_> |
| 06:47.57 | phelps | i wonder how effective in game adverts are |
| 06:48.12 | phelps | and how much money is made from the accounts to do it |
| 06:51.58 | Semlar | i need something out of my suitcase but my cat is sleeping on it |
| 06:52.24 | phelps | guess you'll have to wait |
| 06:52.33 | Semlar | it could be days |
| 06:53.04 | phelps | lay socks over it |
| 06:53.07 | phelps | until it moves |
| 06:53.18 | phelps | doesn't work for me, but its funny |
| 06:54.01 | phelps | unless the socks are in the suitcase ... |
| 06:54.21 | Semlar | everything's in the suitcase except the cat |
| 06:54.49 | phelps | yeah, days |
| 06:55.06 | Neffi | why is everything in a suitcase semlar? |
| 06:55.37 | phelps | i bet the suitcase doesn't have a suit in it |
| 06:55.42 | Semlar | you never know when you might need to leave in a hurry |
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| 06:57.10 | Neffi | fair enough. that seems entirely reasonable. |
| 07:01.47 | Semlar | especially what with all these people asking all these questions |
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| 07:03.11 | phelps | the wow interface code isn't very clean |
| 07:03.24 | phelps | its almost like a single person does it |
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| 07:05.32 | nevcairiel | its just very old |
| 07:06.08 | Gethe | wow is in its 10th year |
| 07:08.00 | Gethe | omg thats what they are doing for Blizzcon!! 10th Aniversary party |
| 07:09.20 | zenzio | strictly speaking it's not in the 10th year for another half a year or so |
| 07:10.07 | Gethe | details |
| 07:11.07 | Gethe | besides blizzcon is usually oct - nov area, right around the actual original release date |
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| 08:38.50 | bluspacecow | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1493609-C-Addon-Updater-Need-URL-of-Curses-Addon-Database-file-XML |
| 08:38.56 | bluspacecow | New MMO Minion contender ? |
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| 08:41.07 | nevcairiel | except that addon sites are unlikely to accept a third party updater leeching of their website |
| 08:41.11 | nevcairiel | we've been down this road before :p |
| 08:45.18 | Arrowmaster | bluspacecow: warn him that unless he stops curse will shut him down |
| 08:45.33 | Arrowmaster | it will happen eventually |
| 08:46.39 | VIad | nevcairiel: is it still not ok if thirdparty site downloads a copy of the addon so it doesn't use your bandwidth? |
| 08:47.12 | nevcairiel | As a addon author, I'll send a takedown request to every addon website that hosts my addon without my explicit permission |
| 08:47.27 | Arrowmaster | if the addon license permits it they can host it |
| 08:47.30 | VIad | nono - I mean purely as cache for the addon updater |
| 08:47.35 | nevcairiel | same thing |
| 08:47.41 | jnwhiteh | truth. |
| 08:47.46 | VIad | but you wouldn't know it as an addon author :P |
| 08:47.55 | Arrowmaster | trust us, we would |
| 08:48.06 | Arrowmaster | its been done before |
| 08:48.46 | VIad | I miss wowace days |
| 08:48.52 | jnwhiteh | ?? |
| 08:49.01 | VIad | the client was kickass - and all addons were on wowace back then ;D |
| 08:49.09 | VIad | the old addon updater :p |
| 08:49.55 | jnwhiteh | not all addons were there |
| 08:49.57 | jnwhiteh | that never happened |
| 08:50.01 | Arrowmaster | serverside it was terrible |
| 08:50.04 | VIad | all that I used ;p |
| 08:50.05 | jnwhiteh | but remember whatever you'd like =) |
| 08:50.28 | Arrowmaster | the client is solely responsible for killing the site |
| 08:50.36 | Arrowmaster | no 3rd party client was needed on that one |
| 08:51.39 | nevcairiel | the fact that every addon was rebuilt to update libraries all the time did not help the bandwidth either |
| 08:51.51 | haste | rebuild all the addons! |
| 08:52.17 | nevcairiel | check in a change to ace2, every goddamn addon on the page suddenly had a new version |
| 08:52.22 | VIad | :D |
| 08:55.11 | jnwhiteh | remember the old SVN days, when the entirety of the site was hosted on my dreamhost account |
| 08:55.14 | jnwhiteh | those were the days |
| 08:56.07 | Neffi | haha, really? |
| 08:56.23 | nevcairiel | that was also the time when every wow patch killed the site for a week flat |
| 08:57.13 | VIad | whaa... |
| 08:57.22 | Arrowmaster` | hmm does quassel not do copy on select? |
| 08:57.26 | VIad | Kaydeethree "6.x more or less publicly available" ! |
| 08:57.28 | VIad | where? :o |
| 08:57.37 | phelps | what word would cover both logic and action |
| 08:57.44 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster`: it works like any gui app, you need to use ctrl-c :p |
| 08:57.48 | phelps | I'm not sure what I could call the temp value |
| 08:58.00 | nevcairiel | VIad: there is a downloader in your account on battle.net |
| 08:58.05 | VIad | :oooo |
| 08:58.08 | Arrowmaster` | every irc client ive ever used has done copying to clipboard on select |
| 08:58.17 | nevcairiel | not that it matters, its not like you can login or anything |
| 08:58.20 | Neffi | phelps: unnamed_temp_value_for_logic_and_action_email_name_recommendation_to_blah_at_gmail_dot_com |
| 08:58.28 | phelps | lol |
| 08:58.40 | Neffi | or "a" |
| 08:58.41 | Arrowmaster` | interesting client but it seems lacking for settings |
| 08:58.50 | phelps | logtion |
| 08:58.54 | VIad | is it the "beta game installeer" nevcairiel? |
| 08:59.00 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 08:59.17 | VIad | : |
| 08:59.17 | VIad | :o |
| 08:59.25 | VIad | gotta gets me that! |
| 09:00.26 | nevcairiel | not even the stupid console command to extract the UI files works, need to use a silly tool to extract it from the data files |
| 09:00.33 | nevcairiel | and those changed format, so need new silly tools |
| 09:00.46 | VIad | :( |
| 09:00.50 | VIad | let's hope its for the best |
| 09:00.56 | VIad | the mpq patching system was kind of outdated |
| 09:00.58 | VIad | and messy |
| 09:01.12 | VIad | hopefully the new one will accomodate this in a smoother way :) |
| 09:03.52 | VIad | btw, I should have bought like a gazillion gold for 10 euro before the AH shutdown :( |
| 09:04.17 | VIad | now I am kind of having a gold struggle while my friend is easy mode surfing with his 10 euro worth of gold :P |
| 09:04.26 | VIad | considering the super inflation right before, it's a lot of gold |
| 09:04.45 | VIad | a little lame blizz still focuses so much on gold now that the AH is closed :/ |
| 09:05.29 | VIad | like half million to craft a gem, not to mention the farm to get all the prerequisite mats and all - imo just remove/reduce the cost greatly now that gold don't play such a major role |
| 09:06.46 | nevcairiel | its not like you need an endless amount of high end gems, once you have a set of them, you wont need more, since they are recycled |
| 09:10.18 | phelps | local step = store:action():action() |
| 09:10.35 | phelps | lots of words above that line, 100% sure I'll be confused by it in the future |
| 09:12.03 | Arrowmaster | had to login to an old email account, 80000+ unread emails and on the first page i see 5 emails claming to be from blizzard |
| 09:13.03 | phelps | they're going after lua hacks, they need to go after that |
| 09:13.43 | phelps | I'd be willing to bet over 90% of account recovery is from phishing |
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| 09:15.19 | Arrowmaster | i only ever see them on this old email, probably because it doesnt have proper spamassassin configs |
| 09:16.05 | Arrowmaster | i question if anybody knows the server its running on still exists since we havent paid for it in 10+ years |
| 09:16.11 | phelps | i get them on gmail |
| 09:16.31 | phelps | I just had to blanket spam anything with blizzard in it |
| 09:16.48 | phelps | they'll send them from yahoo accounts n shit |
| 09:16.53 | phelps | so they DO hit your inbox |
| 09:18.09 | Arrowmaster | those are the easiest ones to block |
| 09:20.43 | phelps | whats interesting, I get phising stuff on my battle.net email and I've only ever used that for battle.net |
| 09:20.57 | phelps | so it was a lucky guess or something fucky is going on |
| 09:21.46 | VIad | jesus fucking christ ... adventure mode, nearly node, disconnect AGAIN |
| 09:22.28 | VIad | thanks blizzard, thanks for not storing the session or progression between disconnects |
| 09:22.53 | VIad | and btw I've gotten quite many disconnects at the just right times to make me have to do over whole areas of grind -_- |
| 09:25.33 | bluspacecow | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6p98rWeGy1qfpt33o1_400.gif |
| 09:25.57 | Arrowmaster | apparently i hadnt be authenticating when connecting to another irc network for some time due to my ip address changing, luckly i had set my client up a long time ago to put that account back into vacation mode after i login so it wont ever be deleted for inactivity |
| 09:26.20 | Arrowmaster | i think i was upto top 10 oldest account last time somebody told me |
| 09:27.50 | VIad | I see this gem in several lines in the diff patch on mail tonight "local parent = (self:GetParent()):GetName();" |
| 09:27.54 | VIad | any reason to do that? |
| 09:29.05 | Neffi | no..? |
| 09:33.53 | zenzio | Wargaming has too much money... "Wargaming, in cooperation with the Kubinka Tank Museum, intends to reconstruct the legendary Panzerkampfwagen VIII "Maus". Most parts of the tank didn't survive. They will be customly reconstructed at factories around the world in close cooperation with the most experienced military vehicle restorers." |
| 09:34.48 | karl_w_w | this azeroth choppers thing is just weird |
| 09:43.54 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: you were right, the cheap cg in knights of sidonia is pretty bad |
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| 09:53.00 | karl_w_w | thoughtsteal a siphon soul against control warlock = game won |
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| 13:51.58 | bluspacecow | hmmmm |
| 13:52.06 | bluspacecow | leave for gym in 10 minutes |
| 13:52.12 | bluspacecow | or keep watching Sherlock Season 3 |
| 13:54.24 | Lopeppeppy | I LOVE YOU, bluspacecow. |
| 13:54.38 | bluspacecow | <3 |
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| 14:09.04 | Fisker | omg Lopeppeppy is here |
| 14:09.09 | Fisker | tacklehugs Lopeppeppy |
| 14:09.37 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, I LOVE YOU! |
| 14:09.49 | Fisker | Well that escalated quickly |
| 14:10.41 | Fisker | I'm not entirely into the whole polygamy thing though |
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| 14:15.53 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/13665269 |
| 14:16.30 | rid_ | hey Fisker |
| 14:16.33 | rid_ | ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ |
| 14:18.14 | bluspacecow | is that a sheep ? |
| 14:18.15 | bluspacecow | baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 14:18.17 | bluspacecow | baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 14:23.08 | rid_ | thats Fisker |
| 14:25.16 | Lopeppeppy | That is understandable, Fisker. It's a hard thing to do well. |
| 14:29.54 | TC-Work | Fisker: Is that because you are already in love with yourself? |
| 14:43.00 | Shirik | :( |
| 14:43.13 | Shirik | http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/10/calif-crash-9-killed/7579275/ |
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| 14:44.58 | Fisker | nope TC-Work |
| 14:45.05 | Fisker | hey rid_ |
| 14:45.10 | Fisker | that's a weird lennyface |
| 14:46.32 | rid_ | I know |
| 14:55.49 | Shirik | wtf |
| 14:55.57 | Shirik | that moment when your credit card balance is WAY lower than you expected |
| 14:56.37 | bluspacecow | oh noes |
| 14:56.41 | bluspacecow | u is poor ? |
| 14:56.59 | Shirik | no |
| 14:57.08 | Shirik | credit card balance meaning I owe less than expected |
| 14:58.19 | rid_ | wait. way lower? |
| 14:58.24 | rid_ | those moments don't exist! |
| 14:58.52 | Shirik | I know right |
| 14:58.57 | Shirik | I am very confused right now |
| 14:59.02 | Shirik | but I can't find anything on my statement missing |
| 14:59.21 | Shirik | I guess I'm just really bad at estimating |
| 15:05.27 | TC-Work | For shame Shirik |
| 15:10.24 | Dagmar | I prefer to give exactly 0% of my income to filthy banksters. |
| 15:14.50 | Shirik | I don't really give them any |
| 15:15.00 | Shirik | I simply use american express as a mechanism for payment |
| 15:15.20 | Shirik | so long as you pay off the balance every month, you don't give them anything, and you even get money from them |
| 15:15.23 | TC-Work | 'Prefer' and 'actaully' are two different things. |
| 15:15.41 | Shirik | granted, they're eating tons of money from the businesses |
| 15:15.44 | Shirik | but that's not my problem |
| 15:19.53 | Fisker | I think EA is worse than banksters |
| 15:21.16 | Dagmar | EA has branched out into stealing people's homes? |
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| 15:22.02 | Dagmar | ...because I mean, EA is fairly deplorable, but they're not kicking people out into the streets. |
| 15:22.40 | TC-Work | ̿' ̿'\̵͇̿̿\з=(◕_◕)=ε/̵͇̿̿/'̿'̿ ̿ |
| 15:22.45 | TC-Work | Huh, I guess that does render |
| 15:24.24 | Shirik | I dunno about that |
| 15:24.32 | Shirik | have you ever played the sims? |
| 15:27.05 | Dagmar | I was talking to Jason about it and finally just said "Well, fuck it. It's not like I couldn't create a file with 2048 bytes from /dev/null and *tell* them it was a copy of the key that was compromised. THey woudln't know any better." |
| 15:27.07 | Dagmar | @#$@#$ |
| 15:27.19 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 15:27.23 | bluspacecow | mistell ? |
| 15:27.31 | Dagmar | Yeah. |
| 15:27.44 | Dagmar | We're trying to get a certain department who shoudl know better to actually replace their cert now |
| 15:30.26 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/oGLQDyL.gif |
| 15:30.36 | Fisker | No but I mean the public have spoken |
| 15:30.41 | Fisker | EA is worse than bankers |
| 15:30.45 | Fisker | comcast is as well |
| 15:32.23 | Dagmar | Comcast *is* the devil. |
| 15:35.53 | Fisker | well the devil isn't that evil |
| 15:36.53 | Dagmar | You're right. Comcast is probably the unacknowledged love child of the devil and Hitler. |
| 15:41.00 | Fisker | nah |
| 15:41.04 | Fisker | hitler went to heaven |
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| 16:11.53 | TC-Work | Other than oss/pulse/alsa, is there anything else for linux? |
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| 16:14.34 | Unkle | *blearily* station. |
| 16:15.30 | bluspacecow | wat matta uncle ? |
| 16:19.13 | TC-Work | And he was so chipper yesterday morning |
| 16:19.29 | Shirik | restricted awakening doctrine? |
| 16:22.49 | Unkle | Migraine, Day 5 |
| 16:23.07 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 16:23.13 | bluspacecow | *back rub* |
| 16:23.30 | Unkle | Boundaries, Blu. BOUNDARIES. |
| 16:24.12 | Arrowmaster | cows dont know boundaries |
| 16:24.38 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 16:24.44 | bluspacecow | *back rub from a distance* |
| 16:26.38 | Unkle | Secret Cow Level. |
| 16:27.32 | bluspacecow | may i offer sympathies sir. |
| 16:28.29 | Unkle | Thank you, Blu. Today is better than yesterday, but not by much. |
| 16:37.46 | Shirik | Unkle: were you in the navy? |
| 16:38.25 | Unkle | Shirik: No. I worked in commercial shipping and in the engine room and as a radar operator on a cruise line. |
| 16:38.47 | Shirik | ah |
| 16:40.36 | Unkle | I was an Air Force brat, but I didn't join any branch of the armed forces in my adulthood. |
| 16:47.17 | Torhal | Unkle: Whiskey Brigade doesn't count? |
| 16:48.01 | Unkle | Torhal: That's more of an avocation, not a profession. |
| 16:48.28 | bluspacecow | I read that as avocado |
| 16:48.32 | bluspacecow | and it was weird |
| 16:48.51 | Torhal | You're weird, bluspacecow. |
| 16:48.58 | Unkle | Oh, and I found this bar here in town that has over 200 whiskeys on their shelf. I'm going to spend a lot of time there I think. |
| 16:49.06 | Torhal | Good lord. 200? |
| 16:49.08 | bluspacecow | or avocadoation |
| 16:49.13 | bluspacecow | where people pelt you with avocados |
| 16:49.18 | bluspacecow | or cover you in it |
| 16:49.35 | Unkle | Torhal: Yes, a delicious, delicious "Challenge Accepted" moment. |
| 16:53.43 | bluspacecow | *gasp* |
| 16:54.02 | bluspacecow | went to eject Sherlock Season 3 and forget to watch the extras |
| 16:54.05 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 17:01.39 | Lopeppeppy | Extras are half the fun. |
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| 17:06.33 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: (and anyone else who likes to bake) " Ice cream and self rising flour have made beautiful food love and made delicious babies. " http://www.thehungryhousewife.com/2011/03/ice-cream-bread.html |
| 17:06.59 | Lopeppeppy | I'm planting onions this weekend, Unkle. But Icecream Bread sounds yummy. |
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| 17:11.54 | Maldivia | ok, got that mixed up, and started thinking about icecream plants... and that sounds yummy as well |
| 17:13.30 | Lopeppeppy | Ice cream pants? What? |
| 17:13.30 | Unkle | Maldivia: I want to visit that world. I want ice cream that I can pluck off the vine in the back yard. |
| 17:14.55 | Fisker | Mmm pants |
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| 17:15.28 | Maldivia | Unkle: visit yes... but only for a short while... don't think my waistline could handle living there for long |
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| 17:28.49 | Unkle | Maldivia: I'd rapidly develop Type II diabetes. |
| 17:29.08 | TC-Work | diabeetus |
| 17:29.14 | Unkle | Wait... Lemme Wilford Brimly it... |
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| 17:30.34 | Dagmar | You'd need to plant them around San Francisco. |
| 17:30.50 | Dagmar | The hills would readily offset the ice cream |
| 17:31.01 | Dagmar | Rent would probably quintuple tho |
| 17:32.04 | Dagmar | "They have scenery, culture, great weather, efficient public transportation, and ICE CREAM GROWING ON THE SIDES OF THE STREETS?" |
| 17:32.51 | Unkle | The rents are already INSANE in San Francisco. |
| 17:32.58 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 17:33.01 | Dagmar | Blame landlords. |
| 17:33.27 | Dagmar | I'm still waiting to hear that the recent spate of Smart car vandalism was dumbasses trying some kind of "protest" |
| 17:33.43 | TC-Work | "The hills are alive with the sound of jiggling flesh" |
| 17:34.27 | Dagmar | TC-Work: No, not really. San Francisco is the one place where if your uncle claimed he walked uphill six miles through the snow every day, both ways, the only thing you'd be able to say is "San Francisco doesn't get snow" |
| 17:34.35 | Dagmar | They have hills. LOTS of hills. |
| 17:34.52 | TC-Work | Yes Dagmar, I am aware of what SF looks like. |
| 17:34.56 | Dagmar | Unless where you live has a garage, you're walking up a hill after you park your car. |
| 17:35.20 | Dagmar | There's not an abundance of fat people on the streets |
| 17:35.35 | Unkle | I was there for a class on Tuesday. My "12 minute" walk from one building to another was more like 30 minutes because the hills were very steep and I am fat. |
| 17:35.37 | TC-Work | Well, not walking anyway. |
| 17:35.47 | TC-Work | Except for Unkle it would seem |
| 17:36.06 | Dagmar | We'd walk six blocks to Lower Haight for lunch. It involved two hills. |
| 17:36.33 | Dagmar | Going from Lower to Upper Haight is about 400 feet ascention |
| 17:36.50 | TC-Work | I walk to the food truck out front, it involves one small parking lot. |
| 17:37.32 | Unkle | SF is a very "walkable" city. You can literally walk to every sort of thing you might need in just a few blocks. But the hills are brutal. |
| 17:37.50 | Dagmar | Gods yes |
| 17:38.38 | Unkle | The summer I worked in SF in the 80s I was in the best shape of my life - all the damned hills and the 5 flights of stairs in the ancient building I worked in. |
| 17:39.39 | Dagmar | If you're going less than 15 blocks you're almost certainly walking or taking a cab. |
| 17:39.57 | Dagmar | Looking for a parking space you could easily wind up closer to where you started than where you want to be |
| 17:41.44 | Unkle | I go to SF about 2-3 times a month for classes or events, and parking is always either a) hard to find, b) expensive, c) both. |
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| 17:50.33 | kd3 | yay electricity |
| 17:59.23 | Fisker | I like electricity |
| 17:59.51 | Lopeppeppy | But batteries are evil. |
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| 18:01.22 | kd3 | they get a bad wrap. sure, some may spontaneously combust and take down passenger jets, but hey, cell phones! |
| 18:01.24 | Unkle | ... |
| 18:02.04 | Lopeppeppy | I prefer ice cream pants to cell phones. |
| 18:02.48 | Dagmar | Just as long as you don't smack 'em with a hammer they're fine |
| 18:02.55 | Arrowmaster | that idiot |
| 18:05.13 | Dagmar | I have the feeling the twit was hoping to smash the phone and then file a warranty claim |
| 18:05.37 | Lopeppeppy | Should've fed it to a bear instead. |
| 18:06.03 | Dagmar | They typically don't warranty water damage, and "slobber damage" would be mostly indistinguishable from that |
| 18:06.20 | Dagmar | They also typically don't cover "being struck multiple times with a hammer" |
| 18:06.43 | Lopeppeppy | Bears slurp, not slobber. But yeah, water damage. |
| 18:08.00 | Unkle | If a bear eats my cell phone, I am NOT filing a warranty claim. |
| 18:08.42 | Lopeppeppy | I'll say a prayer of thanksgiving that it didn't eat me, though. |
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| 18:11.18 | Dagmar | If a bear eats my cell phone, I'm going to sit down and have a nice long rethink about how I've been living my life. |
| 18:11.37 | Unkle | Sounds reasonable. |
| 18:14.41 | Lopeppeppy | A bear is gonna eat, Dagmar. That's just life. |
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| 18:24.54 | Dagmar | Doesn't have to be *my* phone they eat |
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| 18:25.13 | Clamsoda | Is there any way to know what the cooldown of a spell is, WITHOUT using GetSpellCooldown() and without scraping the tooltip? |
| 18:25.41 | Clamsoda | I am noticing that calling GetSpellCooldown() instantly after the spell is cast, only returns information about the global cooldown that it is on; it needs to be called a second time after the GCD to get its real cooldown information. |
| 18:26.01 | Clamsoda | GetSpellInfo() doesn't return anything related to cooldown either. |
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| 18:26.59 | nevcairiel | you should listen for the event that fires on spell cooldowns, once that happens the actual cooldown of the spell is on |
| 18:27.32 | Clamsoda | I was under the impression that the event wasn't reliable; the notes list that another spell has to be cast for that event to fire. |
| 18:28.44 | Clamsoda | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN |
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| 18:29.07 | nevcairiel | its talking about finished cooldowns |
| 18:29.18 | nevcairiel | which dont fire reliably |
| 18:29.44 | Clamsoda | But, it is reliable for when the real cooldown starts? |
| 18:30.10 | Clamsoda | Or am I looking at the wrong event >.<? |
| 18:30.29 | nevcairiel | it should be reliable for the start of the cooldown |
| 18:32.01 | Clamsoda | Hrm. I assume I'd need to cache all the spells I want to check; considering SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN doesn't return a spellID. |
| 18:32.20 | Clamsoda | That's pleasantly annoying. |
| 18:32.39 | nevcairiel | if those spells are on action buttons, might as well use the action event, it has a acitonid iirc |
| 18:32.59 | Clamsoda | Ohh. |
| 18:33.10 | Clamsoda | I found a post by Semlar that references GetSpellBaseCooldown(). |
| 18:33.48 | Clamsoda | I wasn't aware that that function existed; hooking the action event was on the list. |
| 18:33.56 | nevcairiel | do you want to know when a spell goes on cooldown, or just the cooldown of a spell in general? |
| 18:34.10 | Clamsoda | Well. |
| 18:34.12 | Semlar | i admit nothing! |
| 18:34.57 | Clamsoda | It can be assumed that SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS firing for some spellID with a known cooldown puts that spell on cooldown (save for activated abilities [NS, IF, etc]) |
| 18:35.21 | nevcairiel | that seems like a bold assumption |
| 18:35.31 | Clamsoda | Where does the logic fail other than the exception that I made? |
| 18:35.50 | nevcairiel | seems way less errorprone to just check the spell after it was cast |
| 18:36.54 | Clamsoda | I understand. |
| 18:36.55 | Clamsoda | Hrm. |
| 18:37.01 | Semlar | what are you trying to do? |
| 18:37.46 | Semlar | track what spells are on cooldown? |
| 18:37.54 | Clamsoda | Yes. |
| 18:38.20 | Semlar | i just did it onupdate |
| 18:38.30 | Clamsoda | *dagger through heart* |
| 18:39.02 | Semlar | you'd have to track all the events that trigger when someone does something like reset the cooldown on a spell |
| 18:39.47 | Clamsoda | True; ret paladin 4pc and art of war and such would be a nightmare otherwise. |
| 18:39.53 | Semlar | tracking cooldowns onupdate wasn't too bad for me since i was displaying the countdown text anyway |
| 18:40.26 | Clamsoda | I was going to let OmniCC handle that, but I see your point. |
| 18:40.48 | Semlar | well you can hook the cooldown frame |
| 18:41.01 | Semlar | but only for buttons |
| 18:41.26 | Clamsoda | I keybind a fair amount of spells out of the spellbook, so can't really go there. |
| 18:41.41 | Clamsoda | Nev mentioned it, and I thought about it for a bit, but it removes some reliability. |
| 18:43.29 | Semlar | are you only tracking certain spells? |
| 18:44.38 | Clamsoda | I was hoping for a dynamic approach: any spell with a cooldown greater than some time would have an icon created, and activated. Creating the icon isnt the hard part, knowing what spells to create icons for is proving to be a headache. |
| 18:46.35 | Clamsoda | My original idea was to check the cooldown of a spell on SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS, if it had a known CD then an icon would be created, and handled adequately from there. But, the issue is there is no API that tells you the known cooldown. Even GetSpellBaseCooldown() isn't accurate for spells with modified cooldowns. |
| 18:47.28 | Clamsoda | And GetSpellCooldown() returns information on GCD when called immediately. That's as far as I got before I came here. |
| 18:47.37 | Semlar | spell_cast_success wouldn't be the right event to watch for cooldowns |
| 18:48.33 | Clamsoda | I am not using it to check for cooldowns, I was going to use it to see when a spell was cast. |
| 18:48.51 | Clamsoda | Under the assumption that a spell with a cooldown that has been cast, would go onto cooldown. |
| 18:49.24 | Semlar | you can either watch SPELL_UPDATE_USABLE or SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN but you'll probably have to test those |
| 18:49.57 | Clamsoda | Yeah, already poking around in regards to those. Nev suggested SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN because it is accurate for the cooldown beginning. |
| 18:50.01 | Clamsoda | So, I may try that route. |
| 18:50.02 | nevcairiel | what you could do is use spell_cast_success to figure out when a spell was cast, and when that happens put it on a list of spells to check for cooldown in an onupdate .. remove it from the list once its cooldown expires |
| 18:51.03 | Semlar | i think watching SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN and checking GetSpellCooldown's duration should work |
| 18:51.44 | Neffi | If you find that flaky, try ACTIONBAR_UPDATE_COOLDOWN |
| 18:51.48 | Clamsoda | My only issue with that is, I want the icon to display immediately. A spell's cooldown is enacted immediately, the GCD is just a formality. |
| 18:51.55 | Semlar | i think he wants things that aren't on the action bar |
| 18:51.58 | Neffi | Though SPELL* should work |
| 18:52.09 | Neffi | Semlar: AB_U_C should still fire |
| 18:52.41 | Clamsoda | Neffi: Does it =O? |
| 18:52.43 | Semlar | if a spell goes on cooldown the gcd does not override its cooldown |
| 18:53.01 | Semlar | it doesn't play the gcd then go on cooldown |
| 18:53.08 | Clamsoda | That is my point... |
| 18:53.13 | Neffi | Clamsoda: I think so. I've been using that in my own code for a while. And I don't use actionbars at all. I'm like 90% sure my main has nothing on his actionbars. |
| 18:53.30 | Semlar | GetSpellCooldown should accurately reflect the duration of the cooldown regardless of the gcd |
| 18:53.34 | Clamsoda | No, it does not. |
| 18:53.40 | Clamsoda | That is the entire reason I am at this point. |
| 18:53.44 | Semlar | how sure are you about that |
| 18:53.52 | Clamsoda | I just tested it 100 times before coming here |
| 18:53.53 | Neffi | Anyway it's been my experience that if a spell has its own CD longer than the GCD, you should see that instead of the GCD when you check GetSpellCooldown. |
| 18:53.54 | nevcairiel | it certainly does during spell_update_cooldown |
| 18:54.05 | Clamsoda | Running GetSpellCooldown on a spell while IN the GCD, returns information about the GCD. |
| 18:54.13 | Clamsoda | Running it outside of the GCD, returns the real information. |
| 18:54.14 | nevcairiel | maybe not during spell_cast_success, since the gcd starts earlier |
| 18:54.16 | Clamsoda | That is the entire issue here. |
| 18:54.29 | Semlar | are you watching it on UPDATE_COOLDOWN |
| 18:54.38 | nevcairiel | if that would be the case, all cooldown addons wouldnt show a cooldown until the gcd ends |
| 18:54.39 | Clamsoda | No, I am watching it on SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS |
| 18:54.41 | nevcairiel | yet, they do |
| 18:54.54 | nevcairiel | try it in update_cooldown |
| 18:54.59 | Semlar | because spell_cast_success isn't the right event |
| 18:55.02 | nevcairiel | because thats also when the game internally updates the cooldown :D |
| 18:55.07 | Neffi | Clamsoda: What you can try doing is, when SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN fires, check GetSpellCooldown(61304) to get the real duration of the GCD, then set a timer up to re-check GetSpellCooldown(spellid) after that finishes |
| 18:55.11 | Clamsoda | Ahh, I am understanding now. |
| 18:55.15 | nevcairiel | the UI events often correspond to the game changing its state internally as well |
| 18:55.18 | Neffi | 61304 = spell representing the GCD |
| 18:55.20 | nevcairiel | they are not just arbitrarily fired |
| 18:55.25 | kd3|hate`net | grr. the battle.net app is saturating my downstream, yet it says it's getting data at 0B/s |
| 18:55.33 | Semlar | come to think of it i actually use GetActionCooldown in my addon |
| 18:55.54 | Semlar | but i'm not sure if that fires for things that aren't bound |
| 18:56.10 | Semlar | i mean tied to the action bars |
| 18:56.38 | nevcairiel | getactioncooldown works on action ids, so it needs it on the action button |
| 18:56.58 | Semlar | but it also works for things bound directly to keys |
| 18:57.07 | nevcairiel | not that function |
| 18:57.12 | nevcairiel | you have no proper argument to pass it |
| 18:57.32 | nevcairiel | no action button, no action id, no GetAction* functions |
| 18:57.36 | kd3 | hm. has anyone dug in to the new "atlas" xml directive? |
| 18:57.55 | Semlar | i guess it doesn't matter to much to my addon since it's to display cooldowns on action buttons |
| 18:58.33 | nevcairiel | for the issue at hand, use spell_update_cooldown, it fires once the cooldown info is available, it should report proper information in GetSpellCooldown |
| 18:59.13 | Semlar | i'd be surprised if it didn't |
| 18:59.26 | nevcairiel | me too |
| 18:59.30 | nevcairiel | my addon relies on it |
| 18:59.42 | nevcairiel | granted, its a part of the code rarely used since i was too lazy to properly finish it |
| 18:59.43 | nevcairiel | but still! |
| 18:59.46 | Clamsoda | Understood; my only gripe moving on from there is that it will take the duration of the GCD to set a reliable cooldown. |
| 18:59.54 | nevcairiel | it will not |
| 18:59.56 | Clamsoda | That means waiting 1-1.5 seconds to display something |
| 18:59.59 | Semlar | no |
| 19:00.03 | Clamsoda | Even though in reality, that spell is cooling down. |
| 19:00.14 | Neffi | Clamsoda: Here's some basic drycode of what I described http://codepad.org/8TFiIMKd |
| 19:00.21 | nevcairiel | spell_update_cooldown fires directly after the spell was cast |
| 19:00.24 | Semlar | the gcd does not have to finish for it to have reliable information |
| 19:00.26 | nevcairiel | after spell_cast_success though |
| 19:00.28 | Neffi | Test if the GCD is active, if so wait until it finishes to check the real CD, else check the real CD right away |
| 19:00.35 | nevcairiel | Neffi: dont tell him bad ideas |
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| 19:00.52 | nevcairiel | you dont need to wait for the gcd to finish for the spell cooldown to show |
| 19:01.02 | nevcairiel | but you do need to wait for the update_cooldown event |
| 19:01.11 | Neffi | That's my thinking but I'm not actually positive about that |
| 19:01.57 | Semlar | i know that you don't have to check if the gcd is active before knowing when the spell is going to finish cooling down |
| 19:02.00 | Clamsoda | I just tested it. |
| 19:02.17 | Clamsoda | My druid has a 1.314s GCD. GetSpellCooldown() doesn't return anything but GCD information until the full GCD is over. |
| 19:02.32 | Clamsoda | After 1.314s, the real information is revealed. |
| 19:02.47 | Clamsoda | During the 1.314s of GCD, that's all GetSpellCooldown will return. |
| 19:03.31 | Neffi | So, did you make sure you're checking during the correct event? If so, and that's still the case, then the solution I linked above should be fine |
| 19:03.53 | Neffi | Obviously rewrite it for what you have available, like AceTimer/AceEvent, or an OnUpdate |
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| 19:04.26 | phelps | is Ace the best option for that ? |
| 19:04.42 | Clamsoda | I am not using Ace. |
| 19:04.43 | phelps | I've only ever used AceGUI |
| 19:04.52 | Clamsoda | Also, I may have been wrong. |
| 19:04.55 | nevcairiel | if you already have it, might as well make use of the timer |
| 19:05.00 | Neffi | Ace is the best option, if you're already using Ace. It's not worth porting to a framework just to have a timer API, IMO |
| 19:05.05 | Neffi | It's trivial to do with OnUpdate |
| 19:05.09 | Clamsoda | It definitely is returning correct information before the GCD. |
| 19:05.11 | Clamsoda | Oof >.< |
| 19:05.18 | Clamsoda | Before the GCD ends* |
| 19:05.21 | Clamsoda | Sorry sorry sorry |
| 19:05.27 | Semlar | you better be |
| 19:05.28 | nevcairiel | great, and now i bothered to login to proof you wrong |
| 19:05.33 | Neffi | haha |
| 19:05.40 | Clamsoda | I GOOED IM SORRY >.< |
| 19:05.44 | Clamsoda | Goofed* |
| 19:05.52 | Clamsoda | I was testing the wrong spell ID |
| 19:05.57 | Clamsoda | I am so dumb lol |
| 19:06.17 | Neffi | So onto the next topic: favorite Sublime Text themes/colorschemes? |
| 19:06.39 | Clamsoda | Tomorrow Night Eighties |
| 19:06.43 | nevcairiel | i'm too cheap to pay for a text editor |
| 19:06.50 | Clamsoda | Sublime is free =O |
| 19:06.55 | Clamsoda | Just annoying after 50 saves =/ |
| 19:07.03 | Neffi | You can use it for free, if you don't mind an ocasional popup asking you to purchase |
| 19:07.12 | nevcairiel | thats not free, thats shareware |
| 19:07.15 | Neffi | It really doenst happen often |
| 19:07.39 | nevcairiel | i think its overpriced too |
| 19:07.44 | nevcairiel | $70 for a simple text editor? |
| 19:07.46 | Clamsoda | It is definitely overpriced |
| 19:07.55 | nevcairiel | i probably wouldnt be using any of its fancy functions anyway |
| 19:08.07 | Neffi | Yeah I was gonna go back to NP++, but after a couple weeks I came to miss ST |
| 19:08.11 | Clamsoda | Well, that's the point. It becomes more worth the money the more you use the fancy stuff. |
| 19:08.19 | Clamsoda | Or more worth the popup. |
| 19:08.21 | Clamsoda | I should say. |
| 19:08.30 | Semlar | i use crimson editor which is like a dead project |
| 19:08.41 | Semlar | but i like it anyway |
| 19:08.47 | Neffi | Semlar: you're a hipster |
| 19:08.52 | Semlar | so hip |
| 19:08.53 | Neffi | You use things nobody's ever heard of |
| 19:09.06 | Semlar | alright i think it was last updated in 2008 |
| 19:09.07 | Clamsoda | It looks like it was made in 2002 |
| 19:09.11 | Clamsoda | LOL |
| 19:09.24 | bluspacecow | It R sleepy tiems |
| 19:09.35 | Semlar | think of me |
| 19:09.41 | Neffi | sweet dreams and pleasant moos bluspacecow |
| 19:09.52 | bluspacecow | Mooo Moo moo moo zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 19:10.06 | Semlar | i better go to the store before it starts pouring down rain again |
| 19:10.10 | Clamsoda | Night. |
| 19:10.28 | Neffi | Clamsoda: Very nice palette on that one, but I dont like the overall theme. I'm totally ripping that part off though https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ChrisKempson/Tomorrow-Theme/master/Images/Tomorrow-Night-Palette.png |
| 19:11.06 | Clamsoda | Yeah, the color palette is amazing. P3lim told me about it; it is what he uses for his pastebin as well. |
| 19:11.29 | TC-Work | Shirik: Stop learning things. |
| 19:11.31 | Neffi | Ha. I totally forgot that I asked him about his pastebin, just so I could steal the color palette |
| 19:11.35 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:11.38 | Shirik | I'm sorry |
| 19:11.48 | TC-Work | That's better |
| 19:11.57 | Clamsoda | Neffi: Yeah, that's the theme he uses. You win! |
| 19:12.36 | Cide | Shirik: start learning things |
| 19:12.39 | Cide | you are slacking off |
| 19:12.43 | Shirik | wtf Cide is here |
| 19:12.55 | Cide | somebody needs to keep you in check |
| 19:13.04 | Shirik | Cide |
| 19:13.06 | Cide | Shirik |
| 19:13.12 | Shirik | give Spotify rewire support |
| 19:13.18 | Shirik | actually that would probably be illegal |
| 19:13.23 | Cide | what is rewire support |
| 19:13.42 | Cide | oh |
| 19:13.53 | Cide | yeah I don't think that would be doable :P |
| 19:14.25 | Shirik | ~wiki ReWire |
| 19:14.38 | Cide | yeah I saw |
| 19:15.04 | Cide | but I doubt labels would agree to that |
| 19:19.41 | Shirik | yeah :P |
| 19:22.22 | Shirik | Cide, did you see my destructor bug in clang? |
| 19:22.34 | Clamsoda | Thanks Nev, Semlar, and Neffi for your help. Got my code doing what I want now. |
| 19:22.41 | Cide | Shirik: no |
| 19:22.47 | Cide | what happen? |
| 19:22.51 | Shirik | in certain scenarios, clang can generate code that fails to call a destructor |
| 19:23.26 | Cide | oh my |
| 19:23.29 | Cide | that's pretty bad |
| 19:23.35 | Shirik | it's an extremely unusual case |
| 19:23.40 | Shirik | I doubt it affects many applications |
| 19:23.40 | Cide | what is the case? |
| 19:23.59 | Shirik | it involves a scenario where a temporary is being destroyed and its destructor throws an exception |
| 19:24.14 | Shirik | actually it's a little more convoluted than that |
| 19:24.52 | Shirik | when an object is being constructed, and one of its parameters is a reference to a temporary, and that temporary's destructor throws an exception |
| 19:24.57 | Shirik | the object that was constructed is never destroyed |
| 19:25.47 | Shirik | I'm working on the fix but it hurts my head |
| 19:27.11 | Cide | if an object is being constructed, its constructor is still running? |
| 19:27.18 | Cide | so the destructor shouldn't fire? |
| 19:27.41 | Cide | I thought the destructor would only run if the constructor finished running |
| 19:27.59 | Shirik | oh it finished construction |
| 19:28.06 | Shirik | the fact that the temporary's being destroyed implies the constructor has finished |
| 19:28.18 | Cide | oh |
| 19:28.19 | Shirik | once it's finished being constructed, it destroys the temporaries, and that's where the exception occurs |
| 19:28.29 | Cide | I see |
| 19:28.44 | Cide | I figured the temporaries would be destroyed inside the constructor implicitly? |
| 19:28.47 | Cide | like stack variables |
| 19:28.56 | Shirik | the constructor wouldn't be able to know that they were temporaries |
| 19:29.00 | Shirik | only the caller knows |
| 19:29.03 | Cide | oh ok |
| 19:29.15 | Cide | not temporaries constructed inside the constructor then |
| 19:29.37 | Shirik | yeah no |
| 19:29.39 | Shirik | like |
| 19:29.44 | Shirik | Foo bar(Baz()) |
| 19:29.51 | Cide | yeah I understand |
| 19:30.06 | Cide | and ~Baz() throws |
| 19:30.33 | Shirik | yup |
| 19:30.37 | Cide | doesn't sound too esoteric though? |
| 19:30.46 | Shirik | it is very esoteric, but it's still wrong :P |
| 19:30.51 | Cide | I mena |
| 19:30.52 | Cide | mean |
| 19:30.57 | Cide | doesn't sound like a very rare scenario? |
| 19:31.02 | Shirik | it's still wrong |
| 19:31.06 | Cide | sure |
| 19:31.08 | nevcairiel | its rare enough that destructors throw |
| 19:31.10 | Shirik | MSVC does worse |
| 19:31.20 | Shirik | MSVC creates a security vulnerability |
| 19:31.36 | Cide | nevcairiel: yeah, and very dangerous |
| 19:31.55 | Shirik | the general rule is "don't throw from destructors" |
| 19:31.59 | Shirik | so hopefully people just follow that rule |
| 19:32.08 | Shirik | but there are a lot of stupid C++ developers |
| 19:32.51 | Cide | indeed |
| 19:33.46 | Shirik | also |
| 19:33.47 | Shirik | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T8bjaWy0Ss |
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| 19:41.32 | Dagmar | Shirik: Oh come now. Every developer loves to see an error report filled with null pointers |
| 19:42.03 | Shirik | I got to deal with a particularly insane problem yesterday |
| 19:42.11 | Shirik | when our application crashes, the OS writes a crash dump file, pretty typical |
| 19:42.21 | Shirik | I loaded the crash dump file and it said the file was incomplete |
| 19:42.27 | Shirik | it literally crashed while writing the crash dump |
| 19:42.31 | Dagmar | whee! |
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| 19:53.46 | tinystomper | g'afternoon all |
| 19:53.58 | Cairenn | hi tinystomper |
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| 20:10.48 | Clamsoda | Good afternoon. |
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| 20:24.01 | Fisker | That's impossible Shirik |
| 20:37.13 | Neffi | ~framexml |
| 20:37.13 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml . |
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| 21:12.43 | jleclanche | friggin western digital |
| 21:12.48 | jleclanche | what a crappy cable |
| 21:13.03 | TC-Work | Get a different one? |
| 21:13.04 | jleclanche | Mini USB1 cable for an external hard drive |
| 21:13.19 | jleclanche | yeah i did. this damn thing was the cause of a 15 second timed out probe every time i rebooted |
| 21:13.23 | jleclanche | i finally tracked it down |
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| 21:14.56 | jleclanche | man |
| 21:15.06 | jleclanche | this cable literally has 4 different kinds of deprecations |
| 21:15.54 | Cide_ | Shirik: hi |
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| 21:54.30 | Neffi | https://i.imgur.com/chusrov.jpg ^.^ |
| 22:14.18 | jleclanche | kd3: are you able to use 3d in latest wine? |
| 22:14.37 | kd3 | lemme see. I've been running in opengl mode of late |
| 22:14.47 | jleclanche | its not just wow |
| 22:14.55 | jleclanche | i lost all 3d.. i think it might be the driver |
| 22:15.20 | kd3 | I haven't been having issues with it, at least in d3 |
| 22:15.33 | jleclanche | i just downgraded nvidia.. lets see now |
| 22:18.10 | kd3 | yah, no issues here. though I'm using 331.49 |
| 22:20.02 | Mr_Rabies | <jleclanche> Mini USB1 cable for an external hard drive |
| 22:20.13 | Mr_Rabies | you and mini-usb are like peanut butter and lead paint |
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| 22:28.10 | TC-Work | Tasty? |
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| 22:57.48 | kd3 | huh. odd that the battle.net app is downloading something (and saturating my downstream, as usual), but not actually showing it in the app. it was, yesterday. |
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| 23:20.37 | MysticalOS | it doesn't show when it's updating itself kd3 |
| 23:20.51 | MysticalOS | it had an update yesterday to add support for launch commands |
| 23:20.58 | MysticalOS | and changed "beta" to "alpha" on WoD |
| 23:22.22 | kd3 | http://kaydeethree.net/i/bna-0bps.png - it's actually downloading at 120KB/s and the remaining number won't update unless I kill and restart the client |
| 23:22.40 | kd3 | but whatever, it's a gui glitch, not actually affecting anything important. still, odd. |
| 23:24.15 | MysticalOS | OH that |
| 23:24.21 | MysticalOS | agent desyncing from client |
| 23:24.24 | MysticalOS | i've complained about that |
| 23:24.34 | MysticalOS | when desynced agent finishes update but bnet has no progress or even control over it |
| 23:24.40 | MysticalOS | hit pause, nota, agent goes rogue process |
| 23:24.59 | MysticalOS | were you installing Wod alpha, or heroes of the storm update? |
| 23:25.07 | kd3 | wod |
| 23:25.18 | kd3 | still doesn't have a hots key... |
| 23:25.19 | MysticalOS | it seems to be a bug with CASC |
| 23:25.31 | MysticalOS | agent seems to desync on those two games only |
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| 23:45.40 | Maldivia | kd3: if the WoD installer stalls, exit the bnet app, and wait 15 sec for agent to shut down, then start again |
| 23:46.26 | Maldivia | kd3: the NGDP patcher is VERY VERY VERY log heavy, generating a log file of upwards 1GB for installing WoD |
| 23:48.42 | Maldivia | when the log file gets that big, it basically slows down all the downloading/patching |
