| 00:18.56 | Gnarfoz | now you "have to" keep up with it on your regular crappy connection instead! |
| 00:19.12 | Gnarfoz | (why even bother? just don't keep up for a while ;)) |
| 00:32.09 | kd3 | meh, the wiki won't update itself, though people have been busy while I was away |
| 00:33.33 | Stanzilla | the wiki gets updated? whaat? :D |
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| 01:26.28 | kd3 | oof. going to have to download 25 gigs of data to get the warlords client. a 3-day download at best |
| 01:28.48 | Stanzilla | kd3: interface extract command is broken anyway |
| 01:28.50 | Stanzilla | take your time |
| 01:33.18 | Stanzilla | kd3: also new file format, might wanna check out https://github.com/justMaku/blte (windows only so far) |
| 01:33.46 | kd3 | yah, I've found a few tools |
| 01:45.15 | Neffi | Friendly reminder, some of us aren't watching GoT right away, so no spoilers for at least a couple days :D |
| 01:46.24 | pnorman | Is there any way to send addon messages to other people if you're in the same CRZ with them, but not party, raid, or BG? |
| 01:47.18 | Neffi | Does normal "whisper" not work? |
| 01:48.13 | pnorman | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/11764546774?page=2#26 indicates that SendAddonMessage() doesn't work cross-server. That's from Feb, and i'm not sure if it's still true. |
| 01:52.47 | d[karl]b | I've already watched the first episode of game of thrones season 4 and all the characters have been replaced by talking ponies |
| 01:54.39 | d[karl]b | all the storylines seem to have changed as well |
| 01:54.45 | d[karl]b | they've ruined the show |
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| 02:00.05 | Neffi | karl_w_w: Thanks for the heads up. Won't watch. 1/10 GRRM is the devil |
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| 02:58.28 | Arrowmaster | why havent they taken his super license away yet! wtf http://gfycat.com/UnpleasantHiddenApisdorsatalaboriosa |
| 02:59.15 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 02:59.18 | Shirik | something is horribly broken on Amazon |
| 02:59.24 | Shirik | the "add to cart" button doesn't work |
| 03:10.01 | Thunder_Child | Could just be you |
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| 03:12.16 | Thunder_Child | Yea Shirik, it is just you |
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| 03:18.05 | Arrowmaster | wtf a gtk lib keeps segfaulting and killing my irc client |
| 03:19.34 | Stanzilla | sounds like your problem might be unix related |
| 03:20.47 | Shirik | woah this is weird |
| 03:20.51 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: I'm half logged in |
| 03:21.21 | Shirik | I logged in again and it worked |
| 03:21.34 | Shirik | also the button look seems to have changed. Maybe they just pushed an update |
| 03:27.04 | Thunder_Child | Nah, it has been flickering back and forth for a while for me. |
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| 05:42.32 | Neffi | Are good wireless gaming mice just not a thing? |
| 05:42.47 | Neffi | Razer and Logitech excluded. Logitech's new shit looks disturbing |
| 05:44.22 | Shirik | I like my wireless mouse |
| 05:44.27 | Shirik | but it's pretty old |
| 05:44.56 | Shirik | however after you exclude razer and logitech you basically don't have mouse makers anymore :P |
| 05:45.06 | Shirik | the magic mouse is really nice but not for gaming |
| 05:46.26 | Neffi | "you basically don't have mouse makers anymore" but the best mouse makers are in that list |
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| 05:46.46 | Neffi | Steelseries, Mionix, Roccat, Thermaltake, Cooler Master, Corsair |
| 05:46.55 | Shirik | steelseries is terrible |
| 05:47.19 | Neffi | Never used a SS but I've heard great things about their mouses |
| 05:47.41 | Jamash | Neffi: *mices |
| 05:47.42 | Shirik | I think generally peripheral manufacturers have become more of a popularity contest than anything else |
| 05:47.57 | Shirik | except keyboards, I guess |
| 05:48.04 | Shirik | keyboards actually have debatable features |
| 05:48.16 | Neffi | A bit, yeah. But Mionix and Roccat are great. And I enjoy my Cooler Master, even if the design looks like it's meant to appeal to 14 year olds |
| 05:48.38 | Shirik | for me the only thing that matters to mice (other than the fact that it actually works) is if it actually fits my hand |
| 05:48.43 | Neffi | Unfortunately Mionix and Roccat just don't do wireless <_< |
| 05:48.50 | Jamash | on a mouse more buttons are more better |
| 05:49.08 | Neffi | To a point. |
| 05:49.11 | Shirik | I have trouble using more than 4 buttons |
| 05:49.18 | Shirik | and my mouse has 7 I think |
| 05:49.25 | Jamash | If I had a 7-button mouse I could play diablo III with just the mouse |
| 05:49.30 | Neffi | I like a lot of buttons, but nothing irritates me more than seeing a mouse with buttons in the most retarded places or configurations |
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| 05:49.41 | Shirik | two of my buttons are actually hidden |
| 05:49.43 | Shirik | it's kinda neat |
| 05:49.49 | nevcairiel | i cant use more then one thumb button |
| 05:49.50 | Shirik | the place where you rest your thumb is rubber |
| 05:49.53 | nevcairiel | or it confuses me |
| 05:50.01 | Shirik | and if you push in on it, there's actually a pushbutton in there |
| 05:50.04 | Neffi | Muscle memory, nevcairiel? |
| 05:50.08 | Shirik | but you couldn't tell by looking at it |
| 05:50.36 | Neffi | After a few weeks with a new mouse, I never mispress again, no matter how many buttons. But then again I don't buy mouses with a god-damn number pad under the thumb. |
| 05:50.50 | Shirik | lol I love that |
| 05:51.01 | Neffi | I want to slap the guy who thought of it |
| 05:51.09 | Neffi | And then slap the guy who hired him |
| 05:51.14 | Jamash | I would love one of those |
| 05:51.22 | Shirik | there's probably someone out there that could sue him for inducing carpal tunnel |
| 05:51.23 | Jamash | not the slap, the mouse |
| 05:52.03 | Neffi | My CM Inferno has great button placements. Not often do they put extra small buttons to the side of the 2 main buttons. I like that. |
| 05:52.17 | Neffi | Seems like most mouse designers don't put any thought whatsoever into the button placement |
| 05:52.32 | Jamash | I doubt that |
| 05:53.33 | Shirik | this is the mouse I have http://smartquay.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/LOGITECH-M950-PERFORMANCE-MOUSE-1.jpeg |
| 05:53.46 | Shirik | but that rubber spot where your thumb goes actually has a button |
| 05:53.52 | Neffi | That's kinda cool |
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| 05:54.03 | Jamash | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.08 | Shirik | but I really like it just because it fits my hand so well |
| 05:54.09 | Neffi | Does it have their ultra shitty "new and improved" track wheel? |
| 05:54.19 | Shirik | what is that? |
| 05:54.29 | Jamash | the one with the clutch? |
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| 05:54.34 | Jamash | the clutch is silly |
| 05:54.34 | Shirik | it has the frictionless mode if that's what you're talking about, but it's able to switch back and forth |
| 05:54.35 | j311yf1sh | everyone knows you should use a power glove for PC |
| 05:54.47 | Neffi | The one where you can disable the clicky and make it *fly*, but it feels flimsy and breaks after 4 months |
| 05:54.53 | Jamash | j311yf1sh: we're not quite up to minority report yet |
| 05:54.56 | Shirik | so yes it has that |
| 05:54.59 | Shirik | but again I've had it for years |
| 05:55.03 | Shirik | and haven't had a problem soooo |
| 05:55.12 | j311yf1sh | i love my G9 |
| 05:55.36 | Shirik | I actually really like the frictionless mode |
| 05:55.37 | Neffi | Logitech's tilt tends to be way too sensitive too. I was always accidentally tilting on my G9x when I meant to middle click. Had to unbind tilt |
| 05:55.43 | Jamash | my only problem with the clutch is 1. I never, ever use it and 2. when I put it in my bag (or drop it on the floor) it often toggles the clutch |
| 05:56.25 | j311yf1sh | i always have my mouse in free spin for speed, dont really need precision |
| 05:56.31 | j311yf1sh | mouse wheel* |
| 05:56.36 | Shirik | that's basically how I use it |
| 05:57.04 | Neffi | Meh. I find when I need to scroll a lot, I end up paging instead |
| 05:57.13 | Neffi | I much prefer precision |
| 05:57.19 | Shirik | I switch to locked mode in two scenarios: while gaming because the motion of the wheel is strange tactile feedback, and while looking for something precise |
| 05:57.22 | j311yf1sh | too much effot for me to move my hand to that side of the keyboard |
| 05:57.38 | Shirik | also, why complain about extra features? |
| 05:57.44 | Shirik | just leave it locked and be done with it :) |
| 05:58.00 | Neffi | Because the whole mechanism in my G9 was very flimsy and felt not good |
| 05:58.17 | Neffi | And it seemed to contribute to the tilting being unusable |
| 05:58.29 | j311yf1sh | the one in my G9 feels perfectly fine and still have the same g9 since it came out |
| 05:59.12 | Neffi | Maybe I got two lemons. I mean, that is my luck |
| 05:59.23 | Neffi | But I had two G9s and they both had very bad scroll wheels |
| 05:59.34 | j311yf1sh | only problem i had with g9 was the weight carriage lock mechanism failed |
| 05:59.54 | Neffi | Yeah that happened on one. The other didnt last long enough for it to happen, but it's obviously a build quality fault |
| 06:00.58 | j311yf1sh | razer is where i've had all my problems |
| 06:01.20 | Neffi | you and everyone else ;) |
| 06:02.10 | j311yf1sh | lol |
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| 06:09.14 | Jamash | holy crap I totally forgot my mouse has one of those secret thumb buttons until you mentioned it Shirik |
| 06:09.28 | Jamash | now I feel really dumb for not remembering to install setpoint |
| 06:10.09 | Jamash | it also has a tilt wheel that I also forgot about >.> |
| 06:18.32 | Shirik | who uses the tilt wheel anyway :P |
| 06:18.39 | Shirik | I think I've used that feature once ever |
| 06:19.14 | Shirik | like the only documents I open big enough for that to even matter are in photoshop, and it doesn't even make sense to use the tiltwheel there |
| 06:19.18 | Shirik | you would just space-drag |
| 06:19.50 | nevcairiel | i always accidentally tilt when trying to press it |
| 06:20.06 | nevcairiel | also, i hate pressing the wheel, i manage way too often to scroll it in the process |
| 06:20.24 | nevcairiel | (especially if its unlocked) |
| 06:20.53 | Neffi | Middle-click is a nice binding for /focus [@mouseover] |
| 06:21.19 | Wobin | middleclick is forevermore my push to talk button |
| 06:21.36 | Wobin | Even if it's already bound in game to some esoteric command |
| 06:21.40 | nevcairiel | that would mean i could never talk during combat without messing up :D |
| 06:22.08 | Neffi | caps lock all day errrday |
| 06:22.30 | Neffi | plus it means I can always yell in chat and have a valid excuse, "whoops" |
| 06:22.32 | nevcairiel | in wow i always used ctrl for ptt, in other games its a bit annoying though, since its typically the duck/crouch button |
| 06:23.26 | nevcairiel | when i had one of those fancy logitech keyboards with additional keys left of the main keyboard, i bound ptt on one of those instead |
| 06:24.42 | Wobin | I use a g13 |
| 06:24.56 | Wobin | but I run out of useful keys to bind to PTT on it |
| 06:25.09 | Wobin | so the ptt ends up a mouse button |
| 06:25.32 | nevcairiel | i remapped f12 or something out of reach to the key down there, and its honestly the only thing i ever used the extra keys for |
| 06:25.44 | Wobin | and then it ended up confusing when using TS with one PTT button, and ingame chat with another in Warframe |
| 06:26.35 | Wobin | I can never go back to standard keyboard gaming |
| 06:26.43 | Wobin | the g13 is so much more usable |
| 06:26.50 | Neffi | Use always-on on one chat, and bind mute to the downstroke of the other's PTT, and unmute to the upstroke |
| 06:26.56 | Neffi | Hold down to talk into one, release to talk into other |
| 06:27.02 | Wobin | Neffi: heheh |
| 06:27.28 | Shirik | I've been thinking about getting a g13 |
| 06:27.33 | Shirik | you recommend it? |
| 06:27.41 | Wobin | That or the orbweaver, it depends on your taste |
| 06:27.48 | Wobin | the thumbstick is really the selling point for me |
| 06:27.59 | Shirik | I'm actually worried about that |
| 06:28.03 | Shirik | because I wanted to bind it to wasd |
| 06:28.08 | Shirik | but as a thumbstick that doesn't make much sense |
| 06:28.11 | Wobin | but I definitely recommend gamepads |
| 06:28.13 | Wobin | sure it does |
| 06:28.19 | Wobin | why doesn't it? |
| 06:28.33 | Shirik | what does some diagonal position mean? |
| 06:28.39 | Wobin | it doesn't |
| 06:28.40 | Shirik | you can't map analog to digital |
| 06:29.28 | Neffi | quantizes Shirik. |
| 06:29.51 | Shirik | obviously you could do some kind of PWM but you get my point |
| 06:29.58 | Neffi | =P |
| 06:30.54 | Shirik | I think we just had the "most helpless wikipedian of the day" award.... |
| 06:30.58 | Wobin | the thumbstick is analog |
| 06:31.13 | Wobin | on the g13 anyway |
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| 06:31.47 | Shirik | what kind of bs was that |
| 06:32.20 | Shirik | anyway |
| 06:32.29 | Shirik | Wobin: I know, but the inputs are not analog |
| 06:32.39 | Shirik | so you have to do something crazy to make it fit wasd |
| 06:33.03 | Shirik | and you don't get the tactile feedback you would want |
| 06:33.32 | Wobin | oh my bad |
| 06:33.34 | Wobin | You just bind the WASD keys to the four positions on the joystick. Moving the stick to a diagonal position gives you the effect of holding the two keys in that quadrant down at the same time. |
| 06:34.12 | Shirik | yeah so that just goes back to the tactile feedback problem |
| 06:34.27 | Shirik | you don't really know where the point is where you switch from one direction to another |
| 06:34.33 | Wobin | Eh, it works for me |
| 06:34.51 | Wobin | you're using the mouse to steer direction anyway |
| 06:35.43 | Wobin | Shirik: I'd suggest you borrow one off someone who's not using it |
| 06:36.03 | Wobin | (not sure that many are in that situation though =P) |
| 06:36.16 | Wobin | although that is how I got mine, second hand |
| 06:37.03 | Shirik | we have a N52 at work |
| 06:37.07 | Shirik | but no G13 :( |
| 06:37.09 | Wobin | You get used to it quite quickly, tbh |
| 06:37.33 | Wobin | I think the only complaints I've heard about the g13 have been about personal hand size |
| 06:37.42 | Wobin | and how well it fits on the pad |
| 06:39.33 | Shirik | but are they mechanical switches |
| 06:39.45 | Shirik | probably not |
| 06:39.50 | Shirik | seems kinda pointless for that |
| 06:41.00 | Wobin | no |
| 06:41.05 | Wobin | not for the g13 |
| 06:41.21 | Wobin | for some of the more recent ones, maybe |
| 06:42.54 | Shirik | it really seems like it's not worth it |
| 06:43.02 | Shirik | you wouldn't be hitting those buttons with the same intensity that you hit a keyboard |
| 06:44.06 | Wobin | yeah, as your hand doesn't really move from it's position |
| 06:44.14 | Wobin | it's just flicking fingers down appropriately |
| 06:44.42 | Wobin | but I'm pretty sure that wouldn't stop the marketers from wanting to add it in =) |
| 06:47.11 | Wobin | thumbstick aside, the gamepad is great for key assignations. I find I evolve the bindings as I learn to play the game, and being able to shift the hotkeys around by dragging and dropping mean it's much more intuitive than in-game keybindings |
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| 07:22.22 | Neffi | Oh. Steelseries made a wireless version of the Sensei -- and it's $160. wtf |
| 07:25.14 | zenzio | what's Sensei? |
| 07:27.25 | Neffi | that one mouse that everyone likes |
| 07:31.29 | zenzio | are you telling me people use something other than Intellimouse?! ;) |
| 07:32.11 | Kalroth | G700* |
| 07:32.14 | zenzio | the Sensei looks all right |
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| 08:01.53 | airtonix | hey guy |
| 08:02.18 | airtonix | the g700 is huge btw |
| 08:02.33 | airtonix | it's like they made it for giants |
| 08:03.18 | Kalroth | well i got a large paw |
| 08:03.32 | Kalroth | also i like how it can run wireless when needed |
| 08:04.45 | airtonix | i want a laptop version of it |
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| 10:15.34 | airtonix | probably old news. but the tesla model s runs ubuntu |
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| 10:17.14 | karl_w_w | does that mean you're going to buy me one airtonix? |
| 10:17.18 | Clamsoda | Is there any advantage/disadvantage to handling spell casts through UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED or COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED? |
| 10:17.31 | airtonix | no karl_w_w, i'm busy farting at the moment |
| 10:17.49 | karl_w_w | you should consult a doctor |
| 10:18.02 | airtonix | no, this is enjoyable |
| 10:18.09 | airtonix | much successing |
| 10:18.14 | airtonix | i laike |
| 11:06.11 | Sintacks | how much you think tabard of the lightbringer is worth? |
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| 11:11.16 | Gnarfoz | not as much as it used to be ;D |
| 11:12.39 | Sintacks | lol. WoWhead shows 100k |
| 11:12.50 | Sintacks | also, lol. i just got the 30 tabards achiemvent from it |
| 11:20.55 | karl_w_w | that's like the oldest achievement in the world |
| 11:21.31 | Sintacks | you're the oldest achievement in the world |
| 11:21.33 | karl_w_w | I've had it for almost 3 years lol |
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| 12:39.46 | karl_w_w | what it takes to be a successful priest: http://www.twitch.tv/amazhs/c/4008157 |
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| 14:46.51 | Lopeppeppy | Spam is for breakfast! How I hate mondays. |
| 14:59.30 | TC-Work | Really? I have never had. |
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| 15:30.16 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy |
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| 15:39.31 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, please. |
| 15:47.25 | Fisker | :( |
| 15:47.32 | Fisker | so Lopeppeppy |
| 15:47.51 | Fisker | Do you have a boss that gets your office "cleaned out" behind your back and then throws out stuff you own? |
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| 16:06.54 | Lopeppeppy | Douchenozzle. Grrrrr. |
| 16:08.37 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 16:08.53 | Fisker | Luckily it usually takes a few weeks before thrown out stuff gets thrown out |
| 16:25.44 | Shirik | so a friend of mine owns a game store |
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| 16:26.00 | Shirik | apparently last night, the cops got called because a passerby thought there were people inside threatening each other with knives |
| 16:26.26 | Shirik | actual situation: two people were playing a miniatures game and using rulers to figure out distance |
| 16:29.53 | TC-Work | Hey now. I use various length knives to play BFG. |
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| 17:02.44 | karl_w_w | ok I've decided the chat UI in the bnet client is horrible |
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| 17:11.59 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
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| 18:30.15 | karl_w_w | http://i.4cdn.org/b/src/1396871144177.png |
| 18:38.19 | zenzelezz | "it's called Windows 8 because there are 8 people who own it" |
| 18:40.33 | TC-Work | hue hue hue |
| 18:42.44 | Neffi | http://imgur.com/VPNVe0B |
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| 18:47.55 | zenzelezz | hah |
| 18:56.03 | Lopeppeppy | It will not surprise anyone to know that I am a smartass. |
| 18:56.47 | Fisker | asdfgsfds |
| 18:56.59 | zenzelezz | if you have to be an ass, be a smartass |
| 19:08.05 | Dagmar | No one likes a dumbass. |
| 19:08.42 | Lopeppeppy | And they only like a smartass when it's not directed at them. |
| 19:09.38 | TC-Work | I dunno, there is something nice about a fine smartass. |
| 19:10.23 | Kalroth | Dagmar: Paris Hilton is liked by many! |
| 19:10.42 | Dagmar | Well, that's got nothing to do with her intellect. |
| 19:10.55 | Dagmar | She's got _one_ talent. No one can deny that. We've all seen it. |
| 19:11.26 | zenzelezz | it's arguable whether you can call that "talent" |
| 19:11.29 | Lopeppeppy | She was awesome in Supernatural. |
| 19:11.32 | Kalroth | I haven't seen it can you please elaborate |
| 19:11.42 | Neffi | We've all seen it. <- paris_hilton_sex_tape.avi ? |
| 19:11.52 | Dagmar | Kalroth: Oh, Google can find it for you but it's NSFW |
| 19:12.13 | Lopeppeppy | She played some kind of demon chick, and she kicked Sam and Dean's asses all over the place. Very cool. |
| 19:12.18 | Lopeppeppy | Then they chopped off her head. Also cool. |
| 19:12.26 | Neffi | I wouldn't call her particularly talented Dagmar. It was kinda bad actually |
| 19:12.39 | Dagmar | You've not dated some of the girls I have, then. |
| 19:12.44 | Neffi | haha |
| 19:15.36 | TC-Work | It's because Neffi uses a higher class of hookers. |
| 19:16.22 | Lopeppeppy | Don't they say you get what you pay for? |
| 19:16.53 | Dagmar | You know that's not true if you're on Comcast. |
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| 19:26.05 | Torhal | I'm not sure how this conversation survived the twists and turns it's undergone. |
| 19:26.08 | Torhal | Likely hasn't. |
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| 19:49.33 | zenzelezz | this still cracks me up every time... https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/2657714944/h01282E1F/ |
| 19:52.06 | jitta | hi, can someone explain to me why the following example code does not work? I want to move a PlayerModel back and forth (with an animationgroup) http://pastebin.com/de1xQeR9 |
| 19:54.25 | zenzelezz | does it give any errors? |
| 19:55.03 | jitta | no, the playermodel just does not move at all |
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| 19:56.34 | Neffi | I see no problem but I havent used anims enough. Assert that aa.anig:GetDuration() == 2 |
| 19:57.10 | Neffi | I just remember having a weird problem where the animation group would fail to order things properly, but I was probably using it wrong |
| 19:57.52 | jitta | yes, it returns 2 |
| 19:58.14 | Neffi | Test it out with a standard frame. Maybe models don't work |
| 19:58.45 | Neffi | I'm really just grabbing at straws though. Maybe somebody else here has some experience with animations |
| 19:59.22 | Semlar_ | remove the second animation and see if the first one is even playing |
| 20:00.25 | jitta | it does not move, even with only the first animation |
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| 20:01.54 | jitta | I just tried with an ordinary texture, that does work... |
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| 20:02.50 | Neffi | Well if playermodel turns out to be the problem you can manually animate via OnUpdate |
| 20:05.00 | jitta | alright, will try that then. thank you. but it seems weird to me that it works for one type of frame but not for the other. |
| 20:05.17 | Semlar | you must be new |
| 20:05.31 | Neffi | lol |
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| 20:09.20 | Semlar | model frames appear to just completely ignore animations |
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| 20:10.42 | Semlar | dammit neffi |
| 20:10.52 | Neffi | soz |
| 20:10.58 | Semlar | look what you did |
| 20:11.06 | Neffi | it was a accident |
| 20:11.11 | Neffi | i was trying 2 hack teh gibson |
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| 20:11.51 | jitta | I tried with alpha animation, that does work. but not translations and rotations |
| 20:13.38 | Semlar | or scale |
| 20:14.42 | Semlar | it's not terribly surprising that rotation doesn't work but i can't imagine why translating it doesn't |
| 20:15.31 | Neffi | Well those are still workable by just rotating the model itself. Maybe the devs were too lazy to figure out how to handle that |
| 20:15.39 | Semlar | might have something to do with how it decides where to draw the model |
| 20:15.48 | Neffi | aye |
| 20:16.17 | Semlar | and since animations don't actually update the points of the frame it just kind of sits there |
| 20:17.12 | Neffi | My god http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Areas_of_My_Expertise#The_Furry_Old_Lobster |
| 20:17.21 | Neffi | So that's why Coulton is so confused! |
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| 20:36.07 | jleclanche | Shirik, I'm sorry but the g930 are absolute garbage. |
| 20:37.49 | jleclanche | Shirik, the power button issues you mentioned are infuriating. They routinely drop their connection with the paired device and they also routinely start squealing sound like there's no tomorrow |
| 20:39.00 | jleclanche | The rest is okay. I'm not fond of how heavy they are tho |
| 20:39.23 | jleclanche | very uncomfortable to wear for several hours |
| 20:43.26 | Mr_Rabies | honestly i've never been impressed with anything in logitech's g series |
| 20:43.47 | Mr_Rabies | it all seems like marketing bullshit, but the MX series has been pretty reliable to me |
| 20:43.54 | Mr_Rabies | (no clue if there's a headset in that line or not) |
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| 20:45.56 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: theres very good headsets in the H series. |
| 20:46.17 | jleclanche | so im reading some headset comparisons... |
| 20:46.18 | jleclanche | "The only downside to the X1's comfort is the heat build up." |
| 20:46.19 | jleclanche | what |
| 20:51.02 | jleclanche | http://uk.skullcandy.com/plyr-1 this looks okay |
| 20:55.14 | Neffi | nothing by Skullcandy is ok |
| 20:55.48 | TC-Work | I find that I prefer regular headphones with a standalone mic |
| 20:56.03 | TC-Work | They are majorly less bulky. |
| 20:56.25 | Neffi | If wireless > quality for you, then buy one of the cheap headsets from Senn |
| 20:57.41 | Neffi | Well their cheapest in $100. But you can still probably find one elsewhere cheaper than that Skullcandy, and far far better |
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| 21:03.13 | nebula169_ | senn has no wireless headsets |
| 21:04.00 | karl_w_w | maybe he meant "<" |
| 21:04.58 | Neffi | Yeah I thought they did. Odd. |
| 21:07.00 | jleclanche | Neffi: wireless and comfort are more important than anything else |
| 21:07.07 | nebula169 | jleclanche: i have the g930, and after wearing a senn pc350 headset for three years, i barely notice the weight and i find them rather comfortable. they are a pain in the ass, though, after a few hours it'll randomly start buzzing meaning the battery is about to die, but it still registers as "fully charged" so i need to let them die, let them charge a bit, and then plug/unplug the charger until it recognizes the battery is dead |
| 21:07.11 | jleclanche | Neffi: battery life is high up there too |
| 21:07.35 | jleclanche | nebula169: which model are you talking about here? |
| 21:08.52 | nebula169 | what do you mean? i listed the model for both heasets i referenced >.> |
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| 21:09.24 | jleclanche | nebula169: which of the two do you talk about |
| 21:09.27 | Gnarfoz | g930 |
| 21:09.34 | jleclanche | thats what i thought |
| 21:09.39 | jleclanche | that buzzing makes them unusable. |
| 21:09.50 | Gnarfoz | bzzzzzzzzzt |
| 21:09.57 | TC-Work | I have the G930 |
| 21:09.58 | jleclanche | no its a lot worse. |
| 21:10.03 | TC-Work | I won them from curse of all things |
| 21:10.08 | Gnarfoz | BZZZZZZT? |
| 21:10.18 | jleclanche | Curse of all Things |
| 21:10.23 | jleclanche | that sounds like a nice thing |
| 21:10.26 | TC-Work | ~lart jleclanche |
| 21:10.26 | purl | takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays jleclanche in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed |
| 21:10.28 | nebula169 | yea, i usually get around it by not using them for over 5 hours, but i keep meaning to rma it |
| 21:10.43 | nebula169 | or just buy a new batter for 11$ |
| 21:10.47 | nebula169 | battery* |
| 21:10.51 | jleclanche | these are three months old |
| 21:11.03 | nebula169 | yea, mine are newish, too |
| 21:11.11 | nebula169 | four months |
| 21:11.22 | jleclanche | also i use them for up to 16 hours straight |
| 21:11.33 | jleclanche | so no, none of this is an option. im returning them |
| 21:19.33 | jleclanche | Neffi: why do you say "nothing by Skullcandy is ok"? |
| 21:19.37 | jleclanche | ive never heard of them fwiw |
| 21:20.41 | nebula169 | jleclanche: should checkout turtle beach or the astro a50, not sure of your price range, but they're good (wireless) headsets |
| 21:21.03 | nebula169 | i've always associated skullcandy with being the shit you buy at target/walmart |
| 21:21.21 | jleclanche | $300 is pushing it but im willing if they're really good |
| 21:21.43 | jleclanche | heres my problem with gaming headsets |
| 21:21.46 | jleclanche | they are bulky as fuck |
| 21:22.06 | jleclanche | http://www.turtlebeach.com/products/headsets/xbox/light |
| 21:22.10 | jleclanche | none of this looks any good |
| 21:22.21 | TC-Work | So don't get one? |
| 21:22.29 | TC-Work | Does it need a mic? |
| 21:22.31 | Neffi | jleclanche: what's the worst headphone manufacturer you know of? |
| 21:22.35 | jleclanche | ya, mic required |
| 21:22.54 | jleclanche | Neffi: uh, worst how? ive had terrible experience with creative |
| 21:23.11 | Neffi | Because Skullcandy is worse than them, except they cost as much as high-end stuff |
| 21:23.39 | Neffi | Sometimes when I talk about how much I hate things like Bose I verge on hyperbole. But saying Skullcandy is absolute trash is no exaggeration. |
| 21:24.05 | TC-Work | Well you can get good wireless headphones. The mic may be a bit of an issue. |
| 21:24.08 | Neffi | I've had $15 headphones that sound better than the most expensive Skullcandies. No exaggeration needed |
| 21:24.31 | jleclanche | i dont care much about audio quality, really |
| 21:24.51 | jleclanche | the plyr1 looks comfortable, that was the main thing that attracted me |
| 21:25.10 | Neffi | Don't care much, or don't care if you get a product that sounds and feels like it should cost not a tenth of the price? |
| 21:25.15 | jleclanche | and for a gaming headset it doesnt actually look bulky. though the dock looks way too bulky |
| 21:25.33 | jleclanche | alright alright, ill stay away from it :P |
| 21:26.46 | Neffi | Just trying to encourage you to shop around. There may not be many great products, but I can certainly bet that there *are* much better products than those |
| 21:26.58 | Neffi | w.r.t wireless headsets |
| 21:27.49 | jleclanche | Im looking at the A50. |
| 21:28.36 | jleclanche | MINI USB ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME |
| 21:28.59 | TC-Work | Calm down son. |
| 21:29.13 | jleclanche | it looked good until this. |
| 21:29.43 | jleclanche | uuurgfghhgfgh. |
| 21:30.01 | TC-Work | Care to explain this unresonable hatred? |
| 21:30.49 | jleclanche | what? |
| 21:30.57 | nebula169 | no one uses mini! micro or bust |
| 21:31.14 | TC-Work | My camera does |
| 21:31.21 | jleclanche | your camera deserve the same hatred |
| 21:31.30 | TC-Work | My camera is fucking awesome |
| 21:32.32 | Arrowmaster | Neffi: skullcandy is probably still better than beats |
| 21:32.54 | jleclanche | you saying it beats it? |
| 21:32.56 | jleclanche | haha. |
| 21:32.58 | jleclanche | .. |
| 21:33.56 | jleclanche | Urgh I am furious about this. Who still uses usb mini :/ |
| 21:34.25 | Arrowmaster | its a stronger connection than micro i think |
| 21:34.48 | Arrowmaster | i got an android stick that used it for power |
| 21:34.54 | jleclanche | mini is a lot less durable than micro |
| 21:35.03 | Gnarfoz | how? |
| 21:35.22 | Gnarfoz | also, I hate my camera for using mini, but only because it's the only device I have that does |
| 21:35.38 | Gnarfoz | (well... almost. I think my Android speaker also does) |
| 21:35.56 | TC-Work | It has ~50% less insertions |
| 21:36.02 | TC-Work | 5K to the micros 10K |
| 21:36.03 | Arrowmaster | cheap electronics seem to always use mini |
| 21:36.06 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: um, something like 1000 vs 10-20K expected insertions |
| 21:36.10 | Gnarfoz | oO |
| 21:36.14 | jleclanche | ah |
| 21:36.21 | jleclanche | 5k vs 10k.. i didnt remember it being that much |
| 21:36.34 | TC-Work | it was 1K to 10K but the upgraded the mini |
| 21:36.37 | TC-Work | they* |
| 21:36.43 | TC-Work | just before micro came out |
| 21:36.55 | Arrowmaster | so some minis are still 1k |
| 21:36.55 | Dagmar | Nah, the "cheap" stuff is cheap because it was made awhile back and they haven't found a sucker to buy it until you came along |
| 21:37.02 | TC-Work | Seriously old stuff |
| 21:37.09 | TC-Work | but potentially yes |
| 21:37.18 | Gnarfoz | so they realized people unplug their devices more often than they expected, so they pulled some new numbers out of their asses? :p |
| 21:37.20 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: if im reading this correctly, barely any mini is 5k |
| 21:37.28 | Dagmar | Practically nothign still uses the larger connector because it's design was flawed and that's why it handles far fewer insertions. |
| 21:37.35 | Arrowmaster | my guess is some chinese plants made millions of mini connectors so they are even cheaper to source than micros |
| 21:37.51 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: http://i.stack.imgur.com/JjTJw.jpg |
| 21:37.53 | jleclanche | these are the 5k |
| 21:38.06 | jleclanche | i recognize them but ive seldom seen them |
| 21:38.10 | Gnarfoz | I haven't seen any that don't look like those |
| 21:38.21 | Gnarfoz | (what else would mini usb look like) |
| 21:38.32 | TC-Work | http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn212/radioraiders/mini-micro-usb-connector.gif |
| 21:38.37 | jleclanche | http://i.stack.imgur.com/1Ks1r.jpg |
| 21:38.38 | TC-Work | that with a single hole on the back |
| 21:38.50 | jleclanche | thats a 1k mini |
| 21:38.58 | Arrowmaster | fuck photobucket |
| 21:39.06 | Gnarfoz | ?? |
| 21:39.07 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh |
| 21:39.15 | Gnarfoz | the first one you linked is a receptacle |
| 21:39.16 | Arrowmaster | imgur |
| 21:39.19 | Gnarfoz | not a plug |
| 21:39.20 | TC-Work | although, that's the connector, not the reciever. |
| 21:39.25 | Gnarfoz | so what am I comparing here |
| 21:39.42 | jleclanche | "Efforts were made to address the low lifetime issues while maintaining backwards compatibility and the current "kinked sides" design was produced. Both plug and socket were changed but the sockets ("receptacle") will still accept the old straight sided plugs. This is the shape that we are all so used to that the old shape is largely forgotten." |
| 21:39.50 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: fun stuff: our work proxy can't handle mediacrush ;D |
| 21:39.58 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: whats wrong with it? |
| 21:39.58 | Gnarfoz | it just stalls and then drops the connection |
| 21:40.05 | Gnarfoz | dunno, some https bs |
| 21:40.08 | jleclanche | :/ |
| 21:40.13 | Gnarfoz | I don't admin it |
| 21:40.24 | Arrowmaster | 90% of the time i just get a gray box on photobucket and nothing at all on tinypic |
| 21:40.25 | TC-Work | it's hatred for the ruskies |
| 21:40.55 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: ah, so there was a non-"steps" (what they call "kinked edges") version before? guess I just never saw one of those, then |
| 21:41.12 | Arrowmaster | apparently im not alone on getting the gray box on photobucket with firefox on linux |
| 21:42.05 | Gnarfoz | ah, yes |
| 21:42.06 | Gnarfoz | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Mini_USB_receptacles.png |
| 21:42.59 | Gnarfoz | can't wait for 10 years from now, when maybe usb 3.1 type c has reasonable market penetration |
| 21:43.07 | Arrowmaster | i thought that had something to do with connecting two devices with mini ports together |
| 21:43.12 | TC-Work | And it does say that the headphone uses mini-b |
| 21:43.27 | TC-Work | so 5K, which is almost twice a day for 3 years or something |
| 21:43.45 | Gnarfoz | once a day for more than 10 years |
| 21:43.51 | nebula169 | with usb, the stress is always on the plug, no? so you'd just need to replace the cord if you're using forever |
| 21:44.11 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 21:44.13 | Gnarfoz | nebula169: the receptables tend to be held in place just by solder |
| 21:44.23 | Gnarfoz | so... your plug is probably going to live longer :| |
| 21:44.25 | TC-Work | Yea, but this cord might be directly connected to the wireless receiver |
| 21:44.38 | TC-Work | It is that way for the logitec one. |
| 21:44.50 | TC-Work | logitech* |
| 21:45.20 | nebula169 | TC-Work: the logitech one just has a base to plug in the wifi dongle, you can still charge with a straight cable, it would just use two usb slots |
| 21:48.54 | jleclanche | i think i might go back to the H800... |
| 21:49.51 | Gnarfoz | hmmm, nice OpenSSL bug >_> |
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| 21:52.15 | Arrowmaster | another? |
| 21:52.28 | Gnarfoz | the one from today |
| 21:52.30 | TC-Work | jleclanche: Go balls out and do http://www.wirelessaviationheadsets.com/ |
| 21:53.08 | jleclanche | TC-Work, nebula169: https://pay.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/22f09i/daily_headphone_purchase_advice_thread/cgmlxns |
| 21:53.52 | jleclanche | TC-Work: i dont get that link |
| 21:54.31 | TC-Work | Well aviation headsets are awesome. but not wireles. That is an adapter. |
| 21:54.52 | TC-Work | wireless* |
| 21:55.11 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: attention grabbing description http://heartbleed.com/ - more plain fare: https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2014/msg00071.html |
| 21:55.23 | jleclanche | TC-Work: i wish these were wireless: Fidelio X1 |
| 21:55.26 | jleclanche | http://www.amazon.com/Philips-X1-28-Over-Ear-Headphones/dp/B00B3QD94O |
| 21:56.54 | TC-Work | http://www.amazon.com/MEElectronics-Bluetooth-Wireless-Headphones-Microphone/dp/B008OUL1OC |
| 21:57.45 | VIad | 128GB ram https://www.skhynix.com/en/pr_room/news-data-view.jsp?search.seq=2329&search.gubun=0014 |
| 21:58.43 | TC-Work | And here is a listish http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100022307%20600415516%20600046047%20600046049&IsNodeId=1&name=RF |
| 22:00.30 | jleclanche | so im very partial to circumaural headsets now |
| 22:01.00 | Mr_Rabies | i like mono headset over one ear for voice and then speakers for ingame sound |
| 22:01.25 | Mr_Rabies | headsets are really uncomfortable over long play sessions |
| 22:01.35 | jleclanche | the g930 is so good at reducing external noise that I miss phone calls, doorbells and such |
| 22:01.40 | jleclanche | it's also very hard to hear my own voice |
| 22:01.49 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/b/lifechat-lx-4000-for-business/7YF-00001 |
| 22:02.00 | Mr_Rabies | this is my voice headset |
| 22:02.01 | VIad | jleclanche: I barely notice my steelseries siberia v2 on my head |
| 22:02.14 | nebula169 | yea, i think senns are the only open ear gaming headset i've seen |
| 22:02.27 | nebula169 | s/are/have/ |
| 22:02.39 | jleclanche | i dont specifically look for *gaming* headsets |
| 22:02.40 | Gnarfoz | I dig my PC360 |
| 22:02.49 | jleclanche | the H800 are business headsets and have been the best ive ever worn |
| 22:02.58 | nebula169 | well, a headset is usually implicitly considered for gaming |
| 22:03.20 | Gnarfoz | :? |
| 22:03.27 | Gnarfoz | not... really |
| 22:03.32 | Gnarfoz | maybe if you are a gamer |
| 22:03.43 | jleclanche | "gaming" is an attribute you apply to hardware when you want it to have more buttons, more stripes and weird shapes |
| 22:03.49 | jleclanche | kinda like "sports" for clothes and cars. |
| 22:04.15 | Gnarfoz | sports earmuffs |
| 22:04.29 | Gnarfoz | gaming usb cable! |
| 22:04.34 | VIad | jleclanche: you are saying that (1) buy shoes (2) put on stripes (3) +20% price (4) sell as sport shoes (5) ??? (6) millionaire? |
| 22:04.48 | jleclanche | you literally described adidas' business model |
| 22:05.41 | VIad | I only need a sweatshop in china to do this for me for a tiny cut of my earnings and I'm good to go. |
| 22:05.49 | Gnarfoz | except, +100%, not +20%! :D |
| 22:06.21 | VIad | even 400% - a friend worked in a supplies storage for huge sport equipment stores |
| 22:06.33 | VIad | he said they increase the price by insane amounts |
| 22:06.40 | nebula169 | the h800 is bluetooth? i have a headset for my phone for music and i can't get the mic to work if i pair it with my desktop, assumed windows just hated bluetooth |
| 22:06.49 | VIad | since it's cheap to buy, and they sell it expensive to fit the norwegian standard :P |
| 22:07.00 | jleclanche | nebula169: the h800 is hybrid bluetooth/wireless |
| 22:07.05 | VIad | avoid bluetooth at all cost - I've personally only had issues with bluetooth |
| 22:07.07 | nebula169 | ah |
| 22:07.08 | jleclanche | it has a bluetooth mode, which is great |
| 22:07.15 | jleclanche | makes it easy to pair with a phone |
| 22:07.46 | jleclanche | i believe it internally uses bluetooth to pair with its wireless adapter |
| 22:07.50 | jleclanche | but makes no difference really |
| 22:07.52 | nebula169 | yea, i forgot my headset with my laptop once and tried to get my phone headset to work, but couldn't get windows to let me use the mic :\ |
| 22:08.20 | jleclanche | this is why you guys need pulseaudio. |
| 22:09.55 | jleclanche | i actually think i might get the h800 again. |
| 22:10.51 | TC-Work | They have an h600 as well |
| 22:12.33 | jleclanche | i tried the H600 but its nowhere near as good. |
| 22:12.46 | jleclanche | mostly it's a lot less comfortable |
| 22:14.06 | jleclanche | i think the target demographic of the H600 is actually indian call centers |
| 22:14.22 | jleclanche | they are a much cheaper H800 that was only available in india for almost a year. |
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| 22:24.31 | jleclanche | man, amazon rocks. they waived my 30 day return limit because the reseller i bought it from is gone from the site. |
| 22:30.26 | jleclanche | nebula169: the nice thing about the g930 is the volume wheel |
| 22:30.59 | jleclanche | really going to miss that |
| 22:31.02 | nebula169 | yea, i hate having buttons for volume |
| 22:32.42 | nebula169 | and muting the mic when the boom is up is nice |
| 22:32.50 | jleclanche | oh yeah that is really nice |
| 22:32.52 | jleclanche | the mic light |
| 22:33.32 | jleclanche | argh :( i really liked that. |
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| 22:44.40 | jleclanche | nebula169: I think I will try the Skullcandy PLYR1. |
| 22:45.30 | jleclanche | Íve been reading through SKDY's AMA and they seem to have been pretty serious about improving their reputation regarding audio quality, and that's one of the newer models |
| 22:47.57 | nebula169 | good luck! its nice here i can just go to a store and try most brands without having to worry about shipping |
| 22:48.22 | jleclanche | yeah i could probably do that but good luck finding the models i actually *want* to try :/ |
| 22:48.43 | nebula169 | http://www.microcenter.com/product/417298/PLYR-1_71_Surround_Sound_Wireless_Headset :p |
| 22:49.41 | jleclanche | im looking for specs... |
| 22:50.05 | jleclanche | "The PLYR 1 headset itself is nearly identical to the PLYR 2's headset, but made with seemingly better materials." |
| 22:50.13 | jleclanche | 10/10 would review again |
| 22:52.10 | jleclanche | "In addition to a mini-USB port for connecting to a computer, a USB port for connecting to the headset (it comes with two USB-to-mini-USB cables of different lengths for connecting both)" |
| 22:52.13 | jleclanche | FUCK THIS PLANET. |
| 22:52.29 | jleclanche | $@!~# |
| 22:52.41 | nebula169 | pats jleclanche |
| 22:59.59 | Mr_Rabies | make an adapter, keep adapter plugged in |
| 23:00.17 | Mr_Rabies | or replace the port yourself when it breaks :D |
| 23:00.25 | Mr_Rabies | (as long as it doesn't take traces with it) |
| 23:03.09 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: it bothers me |
| 23:03.18 | jleclanche | like, im gonna be wearing this next to my brain. its gonna make it itch. |
| 23:04.18 | Mr_Rabies | i guess with micro-usb the male end is supposed to break but the internal connector is stronger? |
| 23:04.48 | Mr_Rabies | because mini-usb feels stronger, but that could be that the female connector breaks instead of the cable |
| 23:05.03 | Gnarfoz | it's about 1 mm high, I'm surprised I've only broken a few |
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| 23:08.58 | jleclanche | argh I am so incredibly annoyed. |
| 23:10.26 | VIad | jleclanche: <3 |
| 23:10.31 | jleclanche | =( |
| 23:11.42 | jleclanche | nebula169: you recommended me the A50 and strongly recommended against all skullcandy products |
| 23:11.44 | Gnarfoz | hm, Peaches Geldof dead? random |
| 23:11.56 | jleclanche | but Astro Gaming was acquired by Skullcandy 3 years ago |
| 23:12.38 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: that was Neffi, though |
| 23:12.41 | nebula169 | i have nothing against skull candy other than i assumed it was a in-house generic brand, like rocketfish or such |
| 23:12.43 | jleclanche | ah |
| 23:12.59 | jleclanche | well they seem very hated by audiophiles |
| 23:13.11 | Gnarfoz | who cares about audiophiles |
| 23:13.19 | jleclanche | but i dont really give a shit; comfort and convenience trumps everything for something that is essentially headwear |
| 23:13.22 | VIad | people only care about the pedo variety |
| 23:13.26 | Gnarfoz | get some gold plated fiber opitcal cables while you're at it |
| 23:13.41 | nebula169 | i have a few friends with a40s (wired) and they're really nice |
| 23:13.47 | VIad | gold? the new shit is platina |
| 23:13.49 | jleclanche | they are MINI USB >< |
| 23:13.58 | jleclanche | well the a50s |
| 23:15.42 | VIad | the a40, a50, e.g. are way to expensive in norway |
| 23:15.46 | Gnarfoz | how often do you plan on unplugging them that it's such a problem? if they haven't been made 5 years ago, they'll have the more robust mini connectors, won't they? and they'll last ~6 years w/ 2x plug/day |
| 23:15.51 | VIad | not an audiophile so cba to buy such expensive sets :P |
| 23:15.58 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: OCD |
| 23:16.26 | Gnarfoz | yeah, you'll be wearing whatever you're wearing now for the next 5 years :D good luck |
| 23:16.45 | jleclanche | i will go back to the h800 if i dont find a reasonable alternative |
| 23:16.53 | jleclanche | the advantage is that the h800 is incredibly cheap |
| 23:16.59 | jleclanche | its down to £30 on ebay |
| 23:18.27 | Neffi | <jleclanche> well they seem very hated by audiophiles <- to be fair I'm not an audiophile |
| 23:18.30 | Neffi | :| |
| 23:18.59 | Gnarfoz | ahaha http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/07/italy-drown-immigration_n_5103975.html?utm_hp_ref=uk |
| 23:19.26 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: darwin'd |
| 23:19.35 | Gnarfoz | almost |
| 23:19.50 | jleclanche | they would have been if they hadn't been idiocracied away from darwining. |
| 23:19.58 | jleclanche | (verbs of the year) |
| 23:20.57 | jleclanche | Neffi: i think i will try it. I'd like to know how good it actually *is*, outside of the major usb issue |
| 23:23.37 | nebula169 | seems like most wireless headsets are mini >.> even the sennheiser headphones without charging on the headband |
| 23:23.41 | nebula169 | except logitech! |
| 23:23.59 | jleclanche | http://en-us.sennheiser.com/gaming-headset-stereo-dolby-headphone-pc-323d this would be so great if it were wireless =( |
| 23:25.34 | jleclanche | all the wireless senns look AWFUL :/ |
| 23:25.52 | nebula169 | creative uses micro, the evo and tactic3d models |
| 23:26.01 | VIad | why is micro an issue? |
| 23:26.14 | VIad | arent there any tiny adapter thingies? |
| 23:26.20 | VIad | since it's just a physical issue |
| 23:26.35 | Gnarfoz | it's not a compatibility issue |
| 23:26.48 | Gnarfoz | unless you count OCD as a compatibility disorder |
| 23:26.48 | VIad | it's just the plug size right |
| 23:26.51 | VIad | :p |
| 23:27.00 | Gnarfoz | incompatible with the world |
| 23:27.23 | jleclanche | how am i the one incompatible with the world |
| 23:27.28 | jleclanche | im pushing for the common standard |
| 23:27.40 | VIad | I wish headset producers start making standarized plugins |
| 23:27.48 | jleclanche | plugins? |
| 23:27.53 | VIad | yes |
| 23:27.54 | Gnarfoz | because 3.5 mm jacks are not at all common |
| 23:27.56 | Gnarfoz | :o |
| 23:27.59 | VIad | sadly |
| 23:28.01 | Gnarfoz | oh wait, plug...ins? |
| 23:28.02 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 23:28.10 | VIad | I've seen 3.5mm, 2.5mm, USB, micro USB |
| 23:28.28 | Gnarfoz | USB and micro USB are not headset connectors, they are sound card connectors |
| 23:28.30 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 23:28.38 | Dagmar | Be very glad you're only looking at two options most of the time. |
| 23:28.42 | Gnarfoz | (yeah yeah) |
| 23:28.52 | VIad | had headsets with microusb in the headphones, so you could swap out the cable |
| 23:28.53 | Dagmar | ...and that some of them don't have "exciting alternatices" |
| 23:28.56 | VIad | I found it nice :) |
| 23:29.08 | jleclanche | VIad: that is exactly what Im bringing up here |
| 23:29.10 | VIad | I wish all headsets had a plug in the headpiece |
| 23:29.14 | Dagmar | You could plug the power supply for a Commodore 64 directly into the disk interface. |
| 23:29.22 | Dagmar | Matching 5-pin DIN configurations. |
| 23:29.34 | jleclanche | regarding jack though thats not going to be standardized. you cant replace analog by digital for audiophiles |
| 23:29.37 | Gnarfoz | * 6 pin |
| 23:30.03 | Gnarfoz | wait, 7 even, lol |
| 23:30.14 | VIad | nah |
| 23:30.25 | Gnarfoz | I don't think I've seen a 7-pin DIN connector in a decade |
| 23:30.27 | VIad | just sell the audiophiles a build it yourself kit |
| 23:30.29 | Dagmar | Yeah it's been like 20 years so I don't even care, but then literally every goddamn thing had it's own special and unique connector |
| 23:30.48 | Dagmar | Except when the result could be _bad_. |
| 23:31.04 | VIad | open the device, sodder on each connector manually with the golden tin accompanied in the build it yourself package |
| 23:31.21 | Dagmar | I am quite happy that we just have _two_ teensy types of USB connectors for practically everything nwo |
| 23:32.00 | Dagmar | I just threw out a medium sized box of terrifying looking cables |
| 23:32.10 | Gnarfoz | hm, btw, which "disk interface" are you thinking of? |
| 23:32.16 | Dagmar | The 1541 |
| 23:32.23 | Gnarfoz | I never owned a C64, but looking at a c64 wiki |
| 23:32.25 | Gnarfoz | those don't match |
| 23:32.34 | Dagmar | And yet it would _fit_ |
| 23:32.36 | VIad | too young to have owned a C64 |
| 23:32.40 | Gnarfoz | who? |
| 23:32.42 | VIad | that's like the caveman age |
| 23:32.52 | VIad | I am too young :p |
| 23:32.55 | Dagmar | My little brother plugged mine in that way once and I nearly fainted |
| 23:32.57 | Gnarfoz | hehe, I guess. I could have owned one, I just didn't |
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| 23:34.10 | Gnarfoz | grr Sennheiser |
| 23:34.14 | Gnarfoz | stop interecepting my middle click |
| 23:34.46 | VIad | whats up with keyboards and displays these days? |
| 23:34.53 | VIad | wierd gimmick to push the prices up |
| 23:34.59 | VIad | weird* |
| 23:35.03 | Gnarfoz | or... you just pick one that fits your needs |
| 23:35.11 | Gnarfoz | instead of falling for marketing shit you just described |
| 23:35.21 | VIad | I mean, nearly all the expensive gaming keyboards have displays |
| 23:35.28 | Gnarfoz | so? |
| 23:35.32 | Gnarfoz | that's why they're expensive |
| 23:35.38 | jleclanche | http://daskeyboard.com/ |
| 23:35.39 | VIad | logitech 500 something had the ability to play youtube on the screen lol |
| 23:35.48 | Thunder_Child | They follow the pokemon style of business |
| 23:36.00 | Gnarfoz | there's always something available that isn't loaded full of shit features nobody wants to pay for, it's just not the one they advertise |
| 23:36.10 | VIad | I know |
| 23:36.22 | VIad | but since they persist it means people buy them :p |
| 23:36.29 | jleclanche | VIad: grab a das |
| 23:36.34 | Gnarfoz | of course, but... you know "idiots"? |
| 23:36.42 | Gnarfoz | you might have heard of them |
| 23:36.54 | VIad | :P |
| 23:36.55 | VIad | btw |
| 23:37.00 | VIad | the buttons with no letters |
| 23:37.02 | VIad | thats my keyboard atm |
| 23:37.06 | Neffi | jleclanche: fingerprint magnet. Grab a Filco or Ducky ;) |
| 23:37.07 | VIad | it had letters 5 years ago |
| 23:37.31 | Gnarfoz | < typing this on a Das Keyboard 2 =o |
| 23:37.46 | VIad | lol |
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| 23:37.48 | VIad | http://www.daskeyboard.com/daskeyboard-4-ultimate/ |
| 23:37.53 | jleclanche | im on a das 3 that is several years old. the letters are as crisp as on day 1 |
| 23:37.54 | VIad | blank :D |
| 23:37.59 | VIad | ah fuck |
| 23:38.01 | VIad | US |
| 23:38.07 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 23:38.07 | VIad | it means I am gonna buy it for a good price |
| 23:38.08 | jleclanche | das has UK resellers |
| 23:38.18 | VIad | then quad the price with taxation |
| 23:38.18 | jleclanche | s/UK/EU/ |
| 23:38.27 | Neffi | Is that a volume nob on the new Das 4? That's nice looking |
| 23:38.31 | VIad | they will still tax the shit out of me :( |
| 23:38.34 | Gnarfoz | subsituting UK for EU is so ironic :D |
| 23:38.35 | jleclanche | Neffi: aye. |
| 23:38.47 | Gnarfoz | VIad: that's *your* country's doing, though ;p |
| 23:38.49 | VIad | norway adds tax on anything outside of norway |
| 23:38.56 | VIad | especially electronic related |
| 23:39.29 | VIad | but I liked the keyboard, definetly |
| 23:39.36 | VIad | I like that they use oldschool keys |
| 23:39.49 | VIad | not the new large keys with no feedback when pushing them |
| 23:39.59 | VIad | I like those narrow like, small keys |
| 23:40.01 | jleclanche | they're called touchscreens nowadays |
| 23:40.18 | Gnarfoz | I call them keys. |
| 23:40.25 | Gnarfoz | because chiclet keyboards are a joke |
| 23:40.48 | Gnarfoz | use them on ATMs, fine |
| 23:41.37 | VIad | I bought a new keyboard some years ago. Two major flaws; (1) bluetooth (2) crap keys, too large, too different :( |
| 23:41.43 | nebula169 | the new das looks sexy |
| 23:41.45 | Gnarfoz | so why did you buy it |
| 23:41.46 | VIad | it was then I discovered that keyboards evolved |
| 23:42.04 | VIad | before that I had no idea how crap bluetooth was compared to 2.4GHz |
| 23:42.17 | jleclanche | https://xkcd.com/237/ |
| 23:42.24 | VIad | and I had no idea that keyboards could have layouts I would come to hate :p |
| 23:42.25 | Gnarfoz | the only keyboards I bought before the Das Keyboard 2 were Cherry G83-6105 |
| 23:42.37 | Gnarfoz | and they all still work, too |
| 23:42.42 | VIad | :D |
| 23:42.51 | Gnarfoz | and basically, Das Keyboard 1 & 2 were just OEM Cherrys with MX switches |
| 23:43.00 | jleclanche | my das 3 has a keyswitch that needs resoldering :( |
| 23:43.02 | Gnarfoz | well, Das Keyboard 1 has zone-weighted keys |
| 23:43.11 | Gnarfoz | which the 2 doesn't |
| 23:43.17 | VIad | I got the original edition of http://www.devhardware.com/images/logitechsuite.jpg |
| 23:43.26 | VIad | swapped the mouse, but same keyboard :p |
| 23:43.42 | VIad | the old one was black, unlike the picture |
| 23:44.40 | Gnarfoz | I should get a second keyboard for gaming |
| 23:44.48 | VIad | tbh |
| 23:44.53 | Gnarfoz | the blue mx switches are suboptimal for gaming >_> |
| 23:45.06 | nebula169 | fuck red! |
| 23:45.13 | VIad | what I linked you, is the old 2.4GHz wireless set they made back in 2000 something |
| 23:45.41 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: I use blue mx, why are they suboptimal? |
| 23:45.53 | VIad | blue was bluetooth no? |
| 23:45.57 | Gnarfoz | what. |
| 23:46.00 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:46.03 | Gnarfoz | switches, VIad |
| 23:46.13 | jleclanche | VIad: he's talking about the keyswitch color. cherry blue vs red brown and the other |
| 23:46.18 | VIad | nah |
| 23:46.27 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: I dislike the non-linear actuation thing for button mashing |
| 23:46.28 | VIad | let me try to find a pic |
| 23:46.42 | Gnarfoz | i.e. double-tapping or stuff like that |
| 23:46.45 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: those sounded like words |
| 23:46.51 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:47.15 | jleclanche | i think they're great for gaming actually |
| 23:47.27 | Neffi | Wow scenes are retarded |
| 23:47.38 | jleclanche | very solid, very resistant to bashing your keyboard when you lose a game. |
| 23:47.39 | nebula169 | i like brown over red |
| 23:47.48 | Gnarfoz | that... is not a property of the key switches |
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| 23:47.58 | Gnarfoz | oh wait, I misread |
| 23:48.01 | jleclanche | tell them that when they get punched in the switchface. |
| 23:48.01 | Gnarfoz | yes, they might be ;p |
| 23:48.02 | VIad | (1) http://img.clubic.com/00034584-photo-clavier-logitech-cordless-desktop-mx.jpg this is what I got, that is 2.4Ghz (first edition) (2) http://www.devhardware.com/images/logitechsuite.jpg this is the bluetooth edition, it came after as an "upgrade" |
| 23:48.09 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: with the blue ones (and one other one that doesn't click, IIRC), there's a deadzone on the upwards travel |
| 23:48.12 | VIad | one is black, other is blue as you see on the pictures |
| 23:48.27 | Gnarfoz | VIad: it's not like Bluetooth isn't 2.4 GHz :D |
| 23:48.57 | VIad | I don't know what it is, but I know bluetooth drops often, poor quality, e.g. based on past experiences |
| 23:48.58 | Gnarfoz | also, Logitech "unify" wireless is also "custom 2.4 GHz" if you want to call it that |
| 23:49.00 | nebula169 | black and red are linear, blue and brown are tactile |
| 23:49.05 | VIad | while the once with their own receivers are more stable |
| 23:49.19 | VIad | Gnarfoz: they do now, but this is from 2000 something :P |
| 23:49.37 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure what you're trying to say anyway. |
| 23:49.50 | VIad | my bluetooth keyboard that I accidentally bought in 2005 |
| 23:49.52 | Gnarfoz | nebula169: yeah, and brown doesn't click as loudly as blue? or something like that |
| 23:49.59 | VIad | it kept reconnecting all the time |
| 23:50.15 | VIad | I also had a bluetooth based headset that did something similar |
| 23:50.34 | VIad | and since I stay away from devices that can run over a standard bluetooth receiver :P |
| 23:50.52 | jleclanche | nebula169: welp, i bought a PLYR 1. ill be returning it if it's no good. |
| 23:51.11 | VIad | I have no degree in electronic engineering so I have no clue why it was like that, only that it was much better when using non-bluetooth labeled devices |
| 23:51.28 | nebula169 | brown is quieter than blue, yea, lower actuation force |
| 23:51.40 | Gnarfoz | heh, http://www.daskeyboard.com/daskeyboard-4-ultimate/#/awesome-products even has the diagram |
| 23:51.45 | Gnarfoz | (but only for the two variants they use) |
| 23:52.17 | Gnarfoz | and I dislike (for gaming) the fact, that the operating point is not on the same point on the x axis as the reset point |
| 23:52.32 | Gnarfoz | (obviously, for regular writing, that's the main feature of the blue mx switches, and I love it) |
| 23:53.00 | Mr_Rabies | oh man |
| 23:53.08 | Mr_Rabies | have you guys seen daskeyboard's embarassing new ad |
| 23:53.09 | VIad | I wish dkb had a retailer in norway |
| 23:53.17 | VIad | so that I could go there and TRY the keyboard to pick what fits me the most |
| 23:53.26 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: does it involve girls in bikinis washing sporty cars? |
| 23:53.29 | VIad | graphs or pictures won't cut it to let me know how it feels using it :( |
| 23:53.30 | Gnarfoz | do you have no stores that sell stuff like this |
| 23:53.33 | Mr_Rabies | jleclanche: worse |
| 23:53.45 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: Wait, I'm thinking of godaddy, a domain name registrar. Makes a lot more sense for that. |
| 23:53.55 | Mr_Rabies | lemme find their new ad |
| 23:53.56 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: it has "daddy" in the name |
| 23:53.58 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:54.07 | VIad | Gnarfoz: sure but they just sell it like packaged, no stores that let you demo out the products :P |
| 23:54.08 | jleclanche | and das has "dat ass" in the name |
| 23:54.19 | Gnarfoz | now that you bring up domain registrars, I'm reminded what I wanted to be doing the entire evening >_> |
| 23:54.24 | jleclanche | gandi.net |
| 23:54.32 | Gnarfoz | no I didn't want to do gandi |
| 23:54.43 | Gnarfoz | VIad: what... that sounds more like a warehouse |
| 23:54.44 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:54.47 | jleclanche | if you're looking for a good domain registrar, gandi.net. |
| 23:54.50 | Gnarfoz | I'm not |
| 23:55.08 | VIad | call it what you want Gnarfoz - just let me try out keyboards to find my new soulmate! ehm, I mean, .... soulmate |
| 23:55.17 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I'd go to... a store |
| 23:55.21 | Gnarfoz | which has products on display |
| 23:55.24 | Gnarfoz | so you can try them out :D |
| 23:55.31 | VIad | not too many of those here :( |
| 23:55.37 | Gnarfoz | but if the richest country in europe doesn't have those :\ |
| 23:55.44 | Gnarfoz | then I don't know what to say! |
| 23:55.47 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: im looking at the das4 ad, its just a guy designing a keyboard on a desk. i dont see the problem? |
| 23:55.53 | Gnarfoz | probably so rich because they don't spend anything because... no stores! :D |
| 23:56.00 | Gnarfoz | so funny |
| 23:56.01 | Mr_Rabies | no, lemme find it jleclanche, it's not that ad |
| 23:56.34 | Mr_Rabies | mannnn |
| 23:56.49 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 23:56.51 | VIad | Gnarfoz: yeah, the shopping over the net is becoming popular such that stores are not for product display anymore :P |
| 23:57.04 | Gnarfoz | the USB 3.0 Super Speed hub they advertise... isn't that the wrong connector to claim 5 Gbit/s? |
| 23:57.12 | Gnarfoz | i.e. doesn't it need the "hump"? |
| 23:57.17 | VIad | the only old school stores are so general their keyboard on displays are usually just working keyboard, no gaming stuff, at least not many options |
| 23:58.02 | VIad | heck I gotta sleep |
| 23:58.03 | VIad | 02AM |
| 23:58.07 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 23:58.12 | Mr_Rabies | bah they may have taken it down then, jleclanche |
| 23:58.18 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: what was it? |
| 23:58.22 | VIad | I hate you - I am usually sleeping by now, when you wake up and chatter |
| 23:58.34 | VIad | when I wake up and chat people are sleeping or at work :P |
| 23:58.36 | Mr_Rabies | but it was basically reddit: the ad |
| 23:58.43 | jleclanche | :/ |
| 23:58.57 | Gnarfoz | VIad: I'm in the timezone as you, so don't blame me :p |
| 23:59.04 | VIad | Gnarfoz! :D |
