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| 01:35.07 | kd3 | wow. d3 is really latency-sensitive. that's annoying |
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| 02:01.01 | Gethe_ | kd3: it really is, i had to stop play last night because my latency spiked |
| 02:15.52 | pompy | kd3: less than 2 hrs left of the 100% bonus xp buff? |
| 02:23.07 | Ressy | midnight PST |
| 02:26.19 | Ressy | http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/13407841/ |
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| 02:52.30 | Jamash | augh must level up |
| 03:29.41 | pompy | http://kotaku.com/16-hours-of-gaming-too-much-energy-drinks-kidney-fa-1549992233 14yr old too much cod. |
| 03:31.48 | Neffi | Turns out he'd consumed 4 litres of energy drinks to sustain the session |
| 03:31.52 | Neffi | shiiit |
| 03:44.06 | Dagmar | Amatuer |
| 03:49.37 | znf | Shot in the dark, but: http://codepen.io/lbebber/full/BzoHi?utm_source=CSS-Weekly&utm_campaign=Issue-85&utm_medium=web <-- would anyone know of fonts like this, with a more of an "official" look, with a "dashed" shadow? |
| 03:50.26 | znf | I found one, but it's too "kiddy" :-/ |
| 04:01.11 | kd3 | whee at dealing with work stuff two seconds after the window opened at 00:00:03 |
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| 04:14.31 | Krevan | D3 launch tomorrow at 10pm for me :D |
| 05:00.32 | Fisker | You should've done it before the boost Jamash |
| 05:00.45 | Fisker | exp nerf counteracts the 100% xp buff :P |
| 05:00.50 | Jamash | meh |
| 05:01.46 | Fisker | I want my crusader though |
| 05:12.58 | zmuser3 | nil or print("hi") syntax error. is that not the same thing as if (nil) then else print("hi") end? |
| 05:13.16 | Neffi | no, it's not |
| 05:13.43 | zmuser3 | well apparently not. but what am I missing? |
| 05:13.51 | Neffi | local _ = nil or print("hi"); would work, but the semantics aren't exactly as you're expecting them to be |
| 05:14.12 | Neffi | and/or aren't meant to be substitutions for an if-clause |
| 05:14.23 | zmuser3 | ouch. ok |
| 05:14.29 | Neffi | Also, don't use else unless you need to |
| 05:14.37 | Neffi | if not (nil) then print"hi" end |
| 05:14.52 | Torhal | Weirdo. |
| 05:15.09 | Neffi | ~whalenuke Torhal |
| 05:15.09 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Torhal with his mind powers. |
| 05:15.13 | Torhal | Putting parens where they don't need to be and removing them from where readability makes sense. |
| 05:15.17 | Torhal | :D |
| 05:15.26 | zmuser3 | well the real code was local debug=1; debug or do_something |
| 05:15.31 | Torhal | if not nil then print("hi") end |
| 05:15.38 | Neffi | I was isolating the (nil) to show that it's interchangeable with a variable |
| 05:15.44 | Neffi | In the same way he did |
| 05:16.03 | Neffi | Oh, he didn't mean to do that. Still |
| 05:16.04 | Torhal | I also haven't seen anyone remove parens in a function call since the last time I looked at haste's code. |
| 05:16.54 | Neffi | I usually prefer the slight verbosity but I get lazy |
| 05:16.58 | zmuser3 | ok just something to get used to. I do it all the time in shell and perl |
| 05:16.59 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 05:18.00 | zmuser3 | (the real perl would be foo unless $debug) |
| 05:18.10 | zmuser3 | thanks |
| 05:18.22 | Neffi | np |
| 05:19.30 | Neffi | zmuser3: If you want to compact Lua's syntax, see Moonscript |
| 05:19.42 | Neffi | It compiles into pure Lua, so you can use it to write addon code, or anything else |
| 05:19.55 | Neffi | Not a fan myself, but some like it |
| 05:20.01 | zmuser3 | I'll check it out |
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| 06:19.06 | zmuser3 | this addon somehow makes an echo alias to another function that prints to the chat window. at the top he does is local echo = fooEcho then in another file he has function fooEcho. when I try to do this in my own addon I get attempt to call upvalue echo (a nil value) |
| 06:29.21 | Neffi | Because he's loading the file which declares fooEcho, before the one which caches it as echo |
| 06:29.42 | Neffi | Otherwise, fooEcho wouldn't exist at the time of doing "local echo = fooEcho", therefore, that local echo is nil |
| 06:29.56 | Neffi | Better off just throwing stuff like this into your namespace |
| 06:30.09 | Neffi | function myAddon:print() end |
| 06:30.25 | zmuser3 | ok |
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| 07:20.30 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/qLJGjd3.gif?1 my god |
| 07:20.44 | Neffi | the amount of cute is intolerable |
| 07:22.30 | Gethe | o.o |
| 07:25.55 | Primer | awww |
| 07:37.04 | Semlar | so can people get punished for posting pages and pages of single items to essentially break the auction house for other people |
| 07:39.06 | Semlar | someone has posted 800 single ghost iron bars in an attempt to prevent people from searching for lower priced stacks |
| 07:42.04 | Primer | good thing I have auctionator |
| 07:42.35 | Primer | I leveled engineering to 600 today on my warrior |
| 07:42.37 | Semlar | it makes searching for an item with an auction house addon take 30 seconds to respond |
| 07:42.54 | Primer | made everything too, Jeeves, MOLL-E, Blingtron |
| 07:43.00 | Primer | cost about 4k |
| 07:43.08 | Primer | but I had a ton of mats on bank alts |
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| 09:04.51 | jleclanche | haha |
| 09:04.54 | jleclanche | from /r/fencing: http://i.imgur.com/onntsxn.jpg |
| 09:08.00 | Neffi | 101 |
| 09:13.41 | karl_w_w | http://www.twitch.tv/amazhs/c/3927480 lolol |
| 09:21.21 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: hahah |
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| 12:21.24 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: i am slowly starting to realize how much of an anti-hunter the amani berserker is |
| 12:21.29 | jleclanche | on a mage |
| 12:21.34 | jleclanche | it confuses them SO MUCH |
| 12:22.05 | jleclanche | just leaving that little 2/3 on the board untouched |
| 12:22.12 | jleclanche | they cant play explosive trap because it enrages it. they cant play arcane shot because they want to wait for me to enrage it |
| 12:22.23 | jleclanche | and they cant justify wasting a deadly shot or anything like that on it |
| 12:22.52 | jleclanche | the only way to deal with it is multi shot, which you can work around by playing x/4+ |
| 12:24.35 | jleclanche | i just spent an entire game with that 2/3 chipping away at him, fireballing and sheeping most of his other minions. 16 dmg purely from the non-enraged amani berserker and finish on a pyro |
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| 12:28.47 | karl_w_w | hmm pyro ey |
| 12:28.54 | karl_w_w | most people dont run it :P |
| 12:31.09 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: im running a very weak deck |
| 12:31.20 | jleclanche | my only big guns are two ogres and the fireballs |
| 12:32.17 | karl_w_w | close to trump's free mage? |
| 12:32.20 | jleclanche | yep very |
| 12:33.11 | karl_w_w | i was thinking of trying his free shaman |
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| 12:33.18 | karl_w_w | but im having fun on priest atm |
| 12:33.47 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: haha love #2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht5bW9-DRxk |
| 12:35.56 | karl_w_w | that's not so interesting :P |
| 12:36.10 | jleclanche | meh. top plays of the week have gotten stale :p |
| 12:36.14 | karl_w_w | if you watch Amaz's stream that sort of thing happens pretty often |
| 12:36.50 | jleclanche | i dont, I took a look and i dont really like the guy's voice (shallow, yes) |
| 12:37.38 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 12:38.29 | karl_w_w | i hate hunters so much |
| 13:01.00 | Fisker | dat feel when you've spent a week on setting up a server and realizing you have to do it over because you typo'd it |
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| 13:14.43 | Workfoz | Fisker: good job |
| 13:14.58 | Workfoz | what did you fuck up? |
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| 13:15.15 | rid__ | :] |
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| 13:18.53 | Workfoz | I'm probably about to destroy our Oracle DB, but maybe I'm fixing stuff, too. You never know with Oracle, the two are hard to tell apart some times. |
| 13:29.51 | Fisker | nothing really Workfoz |
| 13:29.58 | Fisker | But we couldn't figure out why it didn't work |
| 13:30.06 | Fisker | until I noticed I had put a typo in the CA |
| 13:30.10 | Fisker | so I need to redo it |
| 13:30.28 | Workfoz | ouch |
| 13:30.33 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 13:30.43 | Fisker | Well it's not necessary but I am professional |
| 13:30.46 | Workfoz | where? hostname or something? |
| 13:30.52 | Fisker | just the CN |
| 13:30.56 | Workfoz | yeah and I was going to ask, can't you just re-do the CA? |
| 13:30.58 | Fisker | So absolutely zero consequence |
| 13:31.11 | Fisker | Yeah that's what I'm doing |
| 13:31.15 | Workfoz | ah ok |
| 13:36.42 | zenzio | "Please note that utf8_encode only converts a string encoded in ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8. A more appropriate name for it would be 'iso88591_to_utf8'" |
| 13:38.12 | mitch0 | zenzio: php? |
| 13:38.24 | zenzio | what on earth would make you think so? (... yes) |
| 13:38.26 | nevcairiel | so someone named a function badly, its not like thats the first time it happend =p |
| 13:38.35 | zenzio | especially in PHP |
| 13:50.22 | Dagmar | That can't be. All the function names in PHP are perfect and there's no redundancy or duplicated functionality anywhere. |
| 13:53.19 | Workfoz | or confusingly inconsistent naming, nooo not in php |
| 13:53.19 | Workfoz | :D |
| 13:59.57 | Kalroth | zenzio: there's a reason for that, iso88591_to_utf8 was already taken; but that function merges two arrays |
| 14:00.07 | mitch0 | ;) |
| 14:00.13 | zenzio | sorry, but that's just silly |
| 14:00.21 | zenzio | you don't need a function for that when you can just + two arrays |
| 14:00.34 | zenzio | (although they do also have array_merge()) |
| 14:00.42 | Kalroth | well i was being silly, but it is PHP after all |
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| 14:01.52 | rot | dello |
| 14:01.53 | zenzio | I bet you also didn't know PHP supports <> |
| 14:02.21 | Kalroth | sure, it stole that from pascal! |
| 14:02.28 | rot | I'm trying to get proper "time" from the server...is there a way to get server's date? |
| 14:02.51 | rot | using GetGameTime() I can get the server time, but that does not return informations about date |
| 14:03.49 | zenzio | Kalroth: Pascal has that too? I only saw it in Visual Basic, but I didn't try Pascal |
| 14:04.48 | Kalroth | http://wiki.freepascal.org/Boolean_Expressions |
| 14:05.02 | Dagmar | Pascal is relevant to something? |
| 14:08.18 | zenzio | is Delphi still Pascal-y? |
| 14:08.42 | TC-Work | rot: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CalendarGetDate maybe? |
| 14:09.04 | rot | you're right...didn't think about that :( |
| 14:10.12 | zenzio | no no need to :( about that |
| 14:10.23 | zenzio | extra "no" for emphasis |
| 14:15.51 | rot | mmhm, there's date() and time() too, seems |
| 14:17.52 | rot | ...but that's "local" date/time |
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| 14:26.46 | nevcairiel | I dont think there is a function for the server date directly |
| 14:27.01 | nevcairiel | the calendar api may be the best bet |
| 14:28.33 | rot | yeah, or I could sync everything with my local date/time |
| 14:28.38 | rot | not a big issue |
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| 14:49.49 | Workfoz | any idea what could cause my ingame calendar to not be able to flip pages (months) anymore? |
| 14:50.04 | Workfoz | when I click the button, I hear the sound of it flipping, but the display doesn't change |
| 14:50.08 | Workfoz | (no Lua errors) |
| 14:51.34 | Semlar | it does it after a reload? |
| 14:51.48 | Workfoz | yes |
| 14:51.59 | Semlar | an addon is probably messing with the calendar |
| 14:52.03 | Workfoz | (if "it" is "still doesn't work") |
| 14:52.09 | Workfoz | yes, that's my assumption as well |
| 14:52.18 | Workfoz | but I don't think I have any that modify the actual calendar window |
| 14:52.18 | Semlar | so turn them all off and see if it still does it |
| 14:52.42 | Semlar | they don't have to modify the calendar |
| 14:52.44 | Workfoz | it will probably start working if I turn off *all* addons :D I just don't think I have any that do anything to the calendar |
| 14:52.48 | Semlar | they could just be "setting" the current month or something |
| 14:52.53 | Workfoz | hmmm |
| 14:53.22 | Semlar | a poorly written addon could be fetching information from the calendar and forcing it to stay on the current month |
| 14:54.19 | Semlar | anyway, the sure fire approach is a binary search for the addon |
| 14:54.45 | Semlar | if you can't guess |
| 14:55.08 | Workfoz | I didn't install any new ones between it working last and it not working anymore, but perhaps one of them gained new functionality (=bugs) |
| 14:55.13 | Semlar | disable half at a time until you narrow it down |
| 14:55.24 | Workfoz | yeah yeah, I know binary search ^^ |
| 14:55.39 | Torhal | Trinary! |
| 14:55.42 | Workfoz | just time consuming |
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| 14:56.11 | Workfoz | at least it's not something like "stuff doesn't work on boss x" |
| 14:56.13 | Semlar | i would think you could guess which of your addons use calendar functions |
| 14:56.17 | Workfoz | calendar is easily tested in down ^^ |
| 14:56.26 | Workfoz | I would, too |
| 14:56.39 | Workfoz | there's only Broker_Calender (or something, not sure if that's the right name) |
| 14:56.47 | Workfoz | which might be doing stuff like "setting the month" |
| 14:56.50 | Semlar | you have nothing that fetches information about events |
| 14:56.53 | Workfoz | (although it didn't before) |
| 14:56.56 | Workfoz | I do |
| 14:56.58 | Workfoz | that one ^ |
| 14:57.06 | Workfoz | but I've had it for years |
| 14:57.26 | Workfoz | like I said, perhaps it got an update I missed |
| 14:57.36 | Workfoz | I'll look into it again when I get a chance |
| 14:57.48 | Workfoz | too busy breaking stuff at work! :D |
| 14:58.02 | mitch0 | R: 1.3 for 5.4.2 Mar 08, 2014 |
| 14:58.10 | Workfoz | that seems rather recent :> |
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| 15:13.23 | Unkle | *grumble* Station *grumble* coffee *grumble* |
| 15:14.12 | Torhal | hands Unkle an Irish Coffee. |
| 15:14.59 | Unkle | gulps it down, grateful for the Irish. |
| 15:16.13 | TC-Work | Relax me boy, a monday is nothing to be in a tizzy about. |
| 15:17.02 | Unkle | Need more sleep. MORE. Too much is never enough. |
| 15:18.37 | Dagmar | pfft. Sleep when you're dead |
| 15:23.25 | Torhal | I actually managed to sleep from 4pm Saturday to 12pm Sunday. I then took a nap at 3pm Sunday. |
| 15:24.56 | Workfoz | sounds about right |
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| 15:46.12 | Ressy | If anyone can't complete purchase of Diablo3, disable Adblockplus and try again. Its interfering. |
| 15:49.23 | Unkle | So... If there are those of you who will be going nuts on D3 tonight and want to use voice comms for your groups/friends feel free to use my Mumble server - the deets are on the BattleTag spreadsheet. |
| 15:49.37 | Unkle | It's got 35 seats, so should be plenty of room. |
| 15:53.09 | j311yf1sh | i wish i could play D3 tonight :( |
| 15:54.06 | Unkle | Did you not pre-order? |
| 16:04.02 | j311yf1sh | i pre-ordered in store, but i wont be home to play lol |
| 16:05.35 | Ressy | The guy at EBGames wanted me to pre-order in store yesterday. heh.. Told'em I'd just order on battle.net as it'd be faster, and I wouldn't have to go out of my way to pick it up. |
| 16:07.19 | j311yf1sh | yeah, i got Phyisical CE, mainly because it matches my D3 vanilla box |
| 16:09.35 | Shirik | http://abcnews.go.com/US/train-derailment-ohare-airport-injures-32/story?id=23031525 |
| 16:11.23 | Unkle | I ordered the digital deluxe, because I haven't really used anything out of my CE drom DIII and I didn't want to drive all over town to pick one up. |
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| 16:24.58 | Stanzilla | what's the size cap of SVs again? |
| 16:27.24 | j311yf1sh | didnt realize there was one |
| 16:28.48 | Stanzilla | there is one, recount reached it all the time for me |
| 16:28.55 | Stanzilla | game goes c stack overflow then |
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| 16:34.44 | Shirik | I think you mean constant table overflow |
| 16:34.53 | Shirik | and it's not really capped that way |
| 16:35.10 | Shirik | theoretically you could have infinitely large SVs so long as you keep using the same keys |
| 16:36.17 | Shirik | additionally, everything in the environment contributes to the constant table, so what addons are installed impacts how much you can store |
| 16:36.21 | Torhal | I thought at one point they capped them at 64MB |
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| 16:41.25 | j311yf1sh | somone write an addon to test |
| 16:43.14 | Shirik | you cannot meaningfully test the constant table limit |
| 16:43.34 | Shirik | Torhal's cap you could |
| 16:44.48 | Torhal | I believe this info is from TBC, though, so it could definitely either no longer be true or was false to begin with. |
| 16:45.14 | nevcairiel | I think you can actually cause a stack overflow if you put too much shit into stuff |
| 16:45.52 | Shirik | well I imagine if you make your tables too deep you could |
| 16:45.54 | nevcairiel | who knows what it all stores on the stack |
| 16:46.11 | Shirik | but if it's entirely linear and causes a stack overflow I could call that a bug |
| 16:46.48 | Shirik | granted, an uncaught stack overflow itself is a bug, but it's probably not worth catching |
| 16:46.58 | Shirik | you deserve your problems :P |
| 16:47.09 | nevcairiel | its kinda caught, its not like the game crashes |
| 16:47.25 | Shirik | yeah well it's caught by lua not by any wow interface :P |
| 16:49.16 | Shirik | nevcairiel: how was your first beta weekend anyway |
| 16:49.36 | nevcairiel | the game didnt manage to convince me |
| 16:49.48 | Shirik | do you play any MOBA? |
| 16:50.09 | nevcairiel | a bit dota2, not really all that regular though |
| 16:50.42 | Shirik | I'm thinking maybe that's part of the re ason I'm partial to the game |
| 16:51.35 | nevcairiel | the combat system is something new, everything else is just meh, many things are trying too hard to be different and failing at it, imho |
| 16:52.07 | nevcairiel | of course i only played for a couple hours, but a first impression is the most important really |
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| 16:53.25 | Unkle | Torhal: Wasn't that pre-garbage collection optimizations (ie around 2.0) ? |
| 16:53.51 | Shirik | he said it was from TBC so |
| 16:54.11 | Torhal | I don't remember specifics unfortunately. |
| 16:54.46 | Unkle | Damn it Jim! You're a programmer, not an encyclopedia! |
| 16:55.10 | Workfoz | Shirik: hmm, what makes you ask about playing a MOBA when Wildstar isn't one? oO Granted, I've only played like 5 matches of DotA 2 (watched a couple more), but I don't see a connection |
| 16:55.30 | Shirik | I know but much of the game is freeform targeted, heavy motion, etc. |
| 16:56.02 | Shirik | it very much has a skillshot feel to it |
| 16:56.26 | Workfoz | hm, I guess I don't make that connection because MOBAs don't use keyboard movement |
| 16:56.33 | Shirik | true story |
| 16:56.34 | Workfoz | (or do any?) |
| 16:56.35 | nevcairiel | the combat system is the only thing i really liked about it, everything else is just ordinary mmorpg, some parts done ok, some rather weird |
| 16:56.40 | Shirik | I went to league of legends after playing wildstar last night |
| 16:56.51 | Shirik | for a few minutes I was constantly accidentally using abilities while trying to use wasd to move |
| 16:57.05 | Unkle | How many folks here are going to buy Wildstar? |
| 16:57.24 | Shirik | I have been raving about wildstar for months so... obviously. |
| 16:57.48 | Workfoz | how would we know, NDA etc :P |
| 16:57.53 | nevcairiel | the default UI of wildstar is quite lacking, its incredibly hard to navigate around some core elements - of course it has addons, but that shouldn't be a proper excuse |
| 16:57.55 | Unkle | I've been seriously considering it, because I'd like some semi-scifi gaming action. |
| 16:58.06 | Shirik | totally agree nevcairiel |
| 16:58.46 | Shirik | Workfoz: well I was still saying "wildstar is awesome" :P |
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| 16:59.04 | Shirik | nevcairiel: actually some of the UI still isn't done |
| 16:59.04 | Workfoz | yeah, some things randomly pop up in the middle of the screen at inupportune moments |
| 16:59.05 | Workfoz | kind of annoying :D |
| 16:59.09 | Torhal | Their Addon system is nice. |
| 16:59.11 | Shirik | the auction house is being completely redone, and they've changed the crafting UI like 5 times |
| 16:59.28 | Workfoz | I should try and make a chat color configuration addon |
| 16:59.37 | Workfoz | because that's not a built-in feature for some reason ^^ |
| 16:59.56 | Workfoz | can't read what NPCs are saying because it's dark turquoise on 100% transparent background |
| 16:59.58 | Shirik | the biggest problem I have with chat right now is circles are reordering themselves |
| 17:00.05 | Shirik | using /c1 /c2 for chat doesn't work when the numbers keep changing |
| 17:00.09 | Workfoz | argh |
| 17:00.13 | Workfoz | yeah, that could be annoying |
| 17:00.24 | Workfoz | random question in that vein: how/where do you make guilds? |
| 17:00.31 | Shirik | thayd if exile |
| 17:00.37 | Workfoz | ok, didn't reach that, yet |
| 17:00.38 | Shirik | I have no idea if dominion and also you shouldn't be dominion gtfo |
| 17:00.46 | Workfoz | :D |
| 17:01.11 | Shirik | thayd is basically the main city, you can expect to get there around 12-13 or so |
| 17:01.28 | Workfoz | yeah, I think I reached 11 last night, barely |
| 17:01.35 | Workfoz | but I was doing everything left and right |
| 17:01.39 | Workfoz | tradeskills, explorer path stuff |
| 17:01.47 | Workfoz | tons of stuff to do that don't result in levels |
| 17:02.19 | Workfoz | it's a shame I can't un-experience 9 years of WoW |
| 17:02.31 | Workfoz | :D |
| 17:02.42 | nevcairiel | If i could un-experience WoW, i might probably just use it to play WoW again :p |
| 17:02.43 | Fisker- | My coworker was doing work today Lopeppeppy |
| 17:02.44 | Fisker- | http://i.imgur.com/EeTXtTo.jpg |
| 17:02.51 | Lopeppeppy | Write that shit down, Fisker! |
| 17:03.18 | nevcairiel | but selective memory loss would indeed be neat. forget a game/show, and enjoy it all over again |
| 17:03.31 | Shirik | Fisker-: especially because the power button is a key on macbooks! |
| 17:03.32 | Workfoz | that's an industry waiting to happen |
| 17:03.43 | Shirik | it already exists in futurama |
| 17:03.51 | Fisker- | also Shirik |
| 17:03.54 | Shirik | they already proposed how to do it |
| 17:03.56 | nevcairiel | thats 1000 years in the future, can't wait that long! |
| 17:04.10 | Workfoz | not unless usable cryogenics are invented soon |
| 17:04.13 | Shirik | so just freeze yourself |
| 17:04.20 | Fisker- | He extended a dhcp scope from 1-254 so that clients were getting the same IP as the gateway |
| 17:04.25 | Fisker- | Didn't even know that was possible |
| 17:04.26 | Fisker- | http://i.imgur.com/iGCUhOv.gif |
| 17:04.38 | Shirik | tbh |
| 17:04.43 | Shirik | that sounds like the dhcp server's fault |
| 17:04.52 | nevcairiel | if the dhcp isnt on the gateway, it'll happily hand out used ips |
| 17:04.56 | Shirik | why would it grant leases to something it knows is used |
| 17:05.03 | nevcairiel | maybe it didnt |
| 17:05.08 | nevcairiel | the gateway probably has fixed ip |
| 17:05.11 | Fisker- | And kept servers on our network for clients in an ungodly range 100-110 and tried to throw of all the other clients alreadying having those IP's by deleting their lease on the server |
| 17:05.13 | Workfoz | I was just going to say |
| 17:05.21 | Workfoz | why would you make your gateway obtain it's IP via dhcp |
| 17:05.25 | Fisker- | To be fair |
| 17:05.34 | Fisker- | I think it's normal for Windows DHCP to ping the address first |
| 17:05.39 | Shirik | but it can know by monitoring ARP |
| 17:05.42 | Fisker- | Why it didn't work idk |
| 17:05.45 | Workfoz | it shouldn't, though |
| 17:05.49 | Workfoz | it should do what it's configured to do |
| 17:06.01 | Fisker- | Oh it's a standard feature |
| 17:06.07 | Fisker- | DHCP collision detection |
| 17:06.10 | nevcairiel | I wouldn't expect my dhcp server to waste resources trying to protect me from bad config |
| 17:06.10 | Workfoz | resulting in above scenario, where idiot admins result in idiot problems |
| 17:06.11 | Workfoz | :D |
| 17:06.11 | Fisker- | Not sure you can turn it off even |
| 17:06.41 | nevcairiel | you can also have loads of fun on lan parties by simply booting up a couple of dhcp servers |
| 17:06.54 | Shirik | also Fisker- totally agree with that image |
| 17:06.55 | Fisker- | rude |
| 17:06.55 | Workfoz | you can have that fun in front of the door if you try |
| 17:06.56 | Workfoz | :D |
| 17:07.09 | Fisker- | They're actually having job interviews this week Shirik |
| 17:07.13 | Workfoz | because you're easy as fuck to spot for the network admins ^^ |
| 17:07.17 | Fisker- | I know one of the jobs one of the idiots friends are applying |
| 17:07.20 | nevcairiel | new usecase for RPis, just connect them to the network in random places all over the place |
| 17:07.27 | nevcairiel | how would they trace that back to you! |
| 17:07.31 | Workfoz | cameras |
| 17:07.32 | Workfoz | :P |
| 17:07.40 | Fisker- | So I told them to set a box with C4 with a piece of paper clearly telling them to cut the green wire |
| 17:07.46 | Shirik | nevcairiel: my office has this awesome vulnerability in its infrastructure |
| 17:07.47 | nevcairiel | as if anyone has cameras on their switches :p |
| 17:07.49 | Fisker- | I was sad though |
| 17:07.57 | Fisker- | I spent a lot of time setting up a CA |
| 17:08.01 | Shirik | if you connect our phone line to our intranet line, it creates a network loop |
| 17:08.06 | Shirik | that they can't detect |
| 17:08.12 | Fisker- | And a typo in the CN means I have to set it all up again because it would look silly with typos |
| 17:08.13 | Shirik | so they literally have to visit every single cube to find out who did it |
| 17:08.15 | Dagmar | Fisker-: Better solution, set up an additional DHCP server that hands out the IP address of the gateway to every machine asking for a lease. |
| 17:08.25 | Shirik | until then the entire network is down |
| 17:08.30 | Dagmar | ...or if you want to be subtle... the nameserver. |
| 17:08.59 | Fisker- | I remember when arp poisoning was cool |
| 17:09.12 | nevcairiel | Shirik: i had that issue on a lan party once (i was network admin on one for a couple years), some idiots thought it was funny to use short cables and put loops into the switches |
| 17:09.25 | Shirik | I did some arp poisoning on my home network once |
| 17:09.31 | Shirik | my roommate was downloading stuff and I was trying to raid |
| 17:09.32 | nevcairiel | basically, i turned off block by block on the backbone and narrowed it down that way, otherwise its just impossible to find |
| 17:09.38 | Shirik | and he wouldn't listen, so I just kicked him off the network |
| 17:09.57 | Fisker- | I hate that shit nevcairiel |
| 17:10.15 | nevcairiel | what those pseudo hackers try to do on lan parties, seen it all |
| 17:10.33 | nevcairiel | we had someone with an active network sniffer once who used arp poisoning to redirect traffic |
| 17:10.35 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: uh, aren't there protocols to detect just that |
| 17:10.40 | Workfoz | spanning tree or whatever? |
| 17:10.48 | nevcairiel | easy enough to find him, nearly throw him out the door :p |
| 17:10.58 | Shirik | yeah so the switch we use for the stuff we SELL can detect network loops |
| 17:11.01 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: that wasn't turned on everywhere at the time <.< |
| 17:11.02 | Workfoz | yeah, you'd get into trouble if you tried that at ours |
| 17:11.02 | Shirik | it just shuts off a port automatically |
| 17:11.15 | Shirik | but for some reason the stuff we use for our own network isn't the same |
| 17:11.19 | Shirik | and just explodes |
| 17:11.31 | nevcairiel | our major backbone switches had it on, b ut the individual rows not, so it was still going rather wonky all over the place |
| 17:11.32 | Workfoz | sounds like every place I've ever heard of |
| 17:11.51 | nevcairiel | (didnt help that some of our older switches are unmanaged) |
| 17:12.13 | Workfoz | ouch ^^ |
| 17:12.52 | Shirik | you know what I hate |
| 17:12.55 | Shirik | nobody sells hubs anymore |
| 17:13.05 | nevcairiel | we started something like 12 years ago, got a large load of equipment of ebay in the first 2 years, an well, once you have it, you don't quickly replace it |
| 17:13.05 | Workfoz | I think the guys doing ours are still using left over money from each party to finance buying more of their own equipment, so they don't have to rent each time |
| 17:13.09 | Shirik | I mean you can find them but you really have to go out of your way |
| 17:13.20 | nevcairiel | we havent rented for years anymore |
| 17:13.28 | nevcairiel | had enough network and power for around 800 guests |
| 17:13.49 | Workfoz | well, our prices are very low |
| 17:13.50 | nevcairiel | granted, only 100mbit client ports |
| 17:13.55 | Workfoz | so not much left over each time |
| 17:14.09 | nevcairiel | we didnt make much money with the entry fee |
| 17:14.15 | nevcairiel | most money was from selling drinks |
| 17:14.21 | Workfoz | also I don't know if they're maybe done buying their own stuff by now |
| 17:14.26 | Unkle | *cry* I just got tasked with making internet access happen for something way out in the middle of nowhere, tucked into a valley that barely even has telco service. |
| 17:14.28 | Fisker- | And coke on the side |
| 17:14.58 | nevcairiel | sadly ours fell apart and its doubtful there will be any more |
| 17:15.00 | Workfoz | they're still not at 100% gigabit to all guest ports |
| 17:15.03 | Shirik | Unkle: bad requirements |
| 17:15.16 | Unkle | Apparently, these guys think I can work miracles. |
| 17:15.16 | Shirik | give them a V.92 modem and vpn |
| 17:15.21 | Shirik | done |
| 17:15.37 | Workfoz | 100 Mbit/s seats are only 15€, 1 Gbit/s are 25€, IIRC |
| 17:15.40 | Dagmar | Ah just sign them up for Sprint 4G. It's everywhere don'tchaknow |
| 17:15.54 | Unkle | stabs Sprint in the face. |
| 17:16.11 | Dagmar | Workfoz: That sounds like an old school "copy party" to me |
| 17:16.15 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: we pondered gigabit guest ports for a long time, but without getting really serious hardware which can also offer more then a gigabit uplink, it always felt kinda fake |
| 17:16.29 | Workfoz | Dagmar: no idea. your concepts of "old school" probably don't apply across oceans. :D |
| 17:16.57 | Workfoz | it also doesn't really make much sense, since they can't officially condone file sharing anyway |
| 17:17.02 | Workfoz | and gigabit ports do shit for gaming |
| 17:17.17 | nevcairiel | yeah always had to be careful what people posted on the internet forums and stuff |
| 17:17.37 | nevcairiel | deleted or edited a bunch of threads where such topics were being discussed too openly |
| 17:17.59 | Workfoz | they move their online website to the intranet like an hour before doors open, make the online one read-only, and afterwards clean up the intranet version and then put that one back online |
| 17:18.15 | nevcairiel | everyone knew it was going on, but you better not tell the internet |
| 17:18.30 | Workfoz | so threads like "DC IP???!" are gone by the time it's back on the internet ^^ |
| 17:18.43 | nevcairiel | DC was common on yours as well, eh :p |
| 17:19.00 | Workfoz | I've only ever used it there, but I guess someone started it and it stuck |
| 17:19.15 | nevcairiel | its not too bad of a system for lan sharing |
| 17:19.19 | Workfoz | we should do some torrenting this time |
| 17:19.28 | Workfoz | for fun |
| 17:20.05 | Torhal | [12:17:01] <Workfoz> and gigabit ports do shit for gaming <-- I skimmed that as "gigabytes of porn" |
| 17:20.16 | Workfoz | Torhal: ~accurate |
| 17:20.17 | Lopeppeppy | Torhal, so did I! |
| 17:20.25 | Workfoz | also, 1080p movies, anime, whatever |
| 17:20.27 | nevcairiel | they probably dont help gaming either |
| 17:20.35 | Dagmar | Workfoz: If they're charging a premium for higher speed ethernet, it's pretty much a given that there's some files being shared |
| 17:20.42 | Dagmar | ...and you *should* set up a torrent tracker locally. :) |
| 17:20.49 | Workfoz | trackers... what for :C |
| 17:21.04 | Workfoz | Dagmar: yes, but they can't announce that publicly :D |
| 17:21.06 | nevcairiel | noone really uses torrents for sharing on a lan, at least not on any of ours, its just too complicated |
| 17:21.15 | Dagmar | Workfoz: Rendevous |
| 17:21.29 | Gethe | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S6QTHwYTLI |
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| 17:21.35 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: You can always try 100 people hitting your machine at once |
| 17:21.44 | Workfoz | parlais vous francais? |
| 17:21.54 | nevcairiel | we typically used DirectConnect |
| 17:21.55 | Workfoz | (is that even right? I have no idea) |
| 17:22.06 | nevcairiel | it works decently for lan purposes |
| 17:22.12 | Workfoz | DC has multi-source transfers, too |
| 17:22.17 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 17:22.22 | Workfoz | so there'd really be no great advantage to using BT |
| 17:22.26 | Dagmar | There's a _real_ good chance I'm going to wind up doing video recording at PN this year (or at least I'll be one of the people) and I've no intention of letting people individually try to download the damn mpg video files constrantly |
| 17:22.40 | Workfoz | why, is your ram too small, disk too weak? :p |
| 17:22.40 | Dagmar | I'm just going to spool the fucking recordings to a tracker |
| 17:22.53 | Workfoz | or do you mean after the party is over |
| 17:23.02 | Dagmar | No, I mean this will be going on while the thing is going |
| 17:23.34 | Workfoz | I see |
| 17:23.58 | Dagmar | Typically the people in the past doing this have been time-constrained and putting far too much effort into it, which means they might get the videos available in three or four months. |
| 17:24.28 | nevcairiel | we usually had a central ftp for lan videos with some decent hdds and 2x gigabit so that the "legal" resources could be downloaded directly from there without any hassle |
| 17:24.31 | Dagmar | I intend to do it the hackerly way and just throw it all up the day of, and have videos in people's hands a few minutes after the top of each hour. |
| 17:26.34 | Dagmar | Video fees into MythTV, MythTV with custom channel data... It'll record to MPG via the PVR-500, cut things into nameed one-hour segments as it goes. |
| 17:27.09 | Workfoz | there has to be an easier way of configuring vSphere hosts' networking, than having to vSphere clients open and recreating everything by looking at an existing one >_> |
| 17:27.22 | Workfoz | video of what, exactly? |
| 17:27.22 | Dagmar | The most complex part of it is probably slapping together the custom channel data |
| 17:27.28 | Dagmar | Conference talks |
| 17:27.44 | Dagmar | ...although I may just send someone wandering around the place with another camera for giggles. |
| 17:27.48 | Workfoz | oh I thought this was a LAN |
| 17:28.02 | Workfoz | (party, that is - gaming and such) |
| 17:28.16 | Dagmar | It's a hacker conference. |
| 17:28.29 | Dagmar | If the place didn't have a network, it would when we were done |
| 17:28.30 | Workfoz | I couldn't decipher the acronym. |
| 17:28.34 | Dagmar | PhreakNIC |
| 17:28.47 | Workfoz | it even has NIC in the name ;)^^ |
| 17:29.53 | Dagmar | There's generally a bit of everything going on |
| 17:30.25 | Dagmar | ...although last year I was remiss in making it clear to folks that some things shouldn't happen.. like letting an 8-year old play GTAV |
| 17:30.59 | Dagmar | In the past I've phrased it as "If you'd have problems explaining it to your mom, pray to god you're not going to be explaining it to *me*" |
| 17:31.34 | Dagmar | I have the knack of keeping us out of the newspapers. :) |
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| 17:33.48 | Workfoz | getting you into the newspapers could result in more attendees, though |
| 17:33.49 | Workfoz | :D |
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| 17:37.04 | karl_w_w | I'm amazed that pokemon's graphical style has never changed |
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| 17:48.52 | Semlar | it has changed quite a lot between games |
| 17:52.10 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 17:52.32 | Dagmar | You realize you're talking about a game that only in the last two years got actual animation instead of just flip-cards, right? |
| 17:53.20 | karl_w_w | yeah it's totally different Semlar |
| 17:53.29 | karl_w_w | the camera angle changed slightly! |
| 17:53.53 | Dagmar | Someone kinda should have been chewed out for catering to the need for a '3DS exclusive' in the making of the latest one |
| 17:55.12 | karl_w_w | why? the fewer platforms the better it's a terrible game :P |
| 17:55.19 | Dagmar | "3D Support Required For: Because We Said It Does" |
| 17:55.50 | Dagmar | Well, one problem with that is that it's actually not a bad game |
| 17:56.25 | Dagmar | ...but at this point I suspect it's structured more than a bit like the Saturday Morning Cartoons in the last few years that was tolerated |
| 17:57.07 | Dagmar | They're putting just enough effort into it to get a new release out for each new piece of Nintendo hardware, and everything else is going into marketing and merchandising |
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| 17:57.48 | Dagmar | They're doing a more elaborate job of selling the same game over and over again year after year than Fate/Torchlight, and that's saying something |
| 17:58.30 | Dagmar | ...and the Fate/Torchlight people have done a far better job of refining theirs. |
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| 18:53.21 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/03/att-promises-to-lower-your-internet-bill-if-fcc-kills-net-neutrality/ |
| 18:53.57 | Neffi | AT&T: "hey support this and we'll lower your bills by an undisclosed amount, but probably not" "oh, and don't worry, it won't hurt the little guys, we promise. but probably will" |
| 18:54.24 | Dagmar | If there's no signature it never happened. |
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| 19:08.51 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyN-7J5HRLU how are such beautiful sounds possible? |
| 19:10.58 | nevcairiel | I wonder, do you guys in the US just not have a choice in which ISP you use, or are they simply all equally evil and terrible? |
| 19:11.35 | Cairenn | I think it's the second |
| 19:11.46 | karl_w_w | they usually don't have a choice |
| 19:11.47 | Cairenn | (but what do I know, I'm in Canada) |
| 19:12.30 | karl_w_w | the 'option' is usually the cable provider who happens to own the cable plugged into your house v adsl which is especially terrible |
| 19:13.07 | Neffi | nevcairiel: The vast majority of areas have one ISP. Cities generally have a handful, but usually no more than 2 good ones, and a bunch of super-shitty ones. |
| 19:13.18 | Mr_Rabies | many places have a regional monopoly, nevcairiel |
| 19:13.24 | nevcairiel | you should shrink your country, it'll make everything easier |
| 19:13.26 | Neffi | America has huge swathes of rural areas |
| 19:13.31 | Neffi | yeah... >_> |
| 19:13.43 | nevcairiel | just cut out the middle, nothing happening there anyway |
| 19:13.57 | Neffi | Comcast is in a big to buy up Time Warner, so this could potentially devastate the ISP landscape |
| 19:14.16 | Neffi | As there's really 3 big guys in the ISP space: Time Warner, Comcast, and Verizon, and Verizon is really only in cities |
| 19:14.27 | nevcairiel | sounds like something the monopoly-prevention-agency should prevent (however you call them over in the US) |
| 19:14.35 | Neffi | Yeah, it's under review |
| 19:14.49 | Neffi | I believe it might be the FCC's call |
| 19:14.55 | Neffi | Being that they're service carriers |
| 19:15.35 | Neffi | But Comcast has gotten away with a vast monopoly already |
| 19:15.54 | Neffi | They own like more than half the country when it comes to ISP, TV and phone service |
| 19:16.12 | nevcairiel | we had one of our mobile providers buy another recently, but that still leaves 3 carriers with coverage in the whole country (more or less anyway) |
| 19:16.29 | nevcairiel | for internet, the available options are usually much more varied |
| 19:16.40 | Dagmar | Perhaps in your city. |
| 19:16.52 | Neffi | Yeah, we've at least got a handful of decent carriers. AT&T, Sprint and Verizon are all country-wide and not going anywhere. Then we've got a bunch of local carriers. |
| 19:17.12 | Primer | that's just phone though |
| 19:17.18 | Mr_Rabies | at&t is terrible |
| 19:17.19 | Neffi | But cellphone service is still not a cheap thing here. The big ones really own all the infrastructure being that spectrum is purchased |
| 19:17.22 | Primer | there's no variety for ISPS |
| 19:17.31 | Mr_Rabies | they're worse than comcast |
| 19:17.42 | Primer | yeah, they are surely colluding |
| 19:17.47 | Neffi | AT&T is terrible Mr_Rabies? Maybe where you live. Their cell service is top notch here. Their data limits suck, but everyone does it now |
| 19:17.50 | nevcairiel | for internet, you typically have one cable provider (cable isn't as big as in the US), and quite a bunch of DSL offerings |
| 19:17.53 | Dagmar | They're definitely not competing |
| 19:17.56 | Mr_Rabies | i had better internet in 2002 than now |
| 19:18.01 | Mr_Rabies | through bellsouth |
| 19:18.04 | Dagmar | Neffi: Not everyone does data limits. Sprint doesn't do data limits |
| 19:18.09 | Mr_Rabies | they let their lines just, fall apart |
| 19:18.23 | Neffi | Sprint's service is far behind AT&T's and Verizons ime |
| 19:18.32 | Dagmar | This is true |
| 19:18.33 | Neffi | And I live in the place where it's supposed to be the best for them (NYC) |
| 19:18.36 | Mr_Rabies | and they keep increasing their costs |
| 19:18.45 | Mr_Rabies | my dsl bill went up by $3 last month |
| 19:18.52 | Mr_Rabies | and i still get dced every 4 hours like clockwork |
| 19:18.53 | Dagmar | In major cities you might have multiple DSL offerings |
| 19:18.58 | Dagmar | ...and I mean _major_ |
| 19:19.07 | Dagmar | Nashville, capitol of the state or not, does not have this |
| 19:19.16 | Primer | capital* |
| 19:19.16 | Dagmar | You have your choice of AT&T or Comcast. Period. |
| 19:19.23 | Neffi | There's probably more DSL offerings here than I know of, but most of them thoroughly suck |
| 19:19.34 | Mr_Rabies | we have at&t or satellite |
| 19:19.37 | Neffi | If you want decent internet, you get Verizon's fibre (FiOS) or Time Warner |
| 19:19.38 | Mr_Rabies | those are our isp options |
| 19:19.48 | Mr_Rabies | and at&t is about $50/mo for 3Mbit that drops out constantly |
| 19:19.53 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes for days at a time |
| 19:19.55 | Dagmar | Primer: No, I can assure you, it's capitol. No one's using Nashville for an investment. |
| 19:20.09 | Primer | no |
| 19:20.21 | Primer | it's capital |
| 19:20.35 | Dagmar | IS JOKE MOFO |
| 19:20.38 | Primer | yes |
| 19:20.40 | Primer | I got that |
| 19:20.46 | Primer | but I'm still correcting you |
| 19:20.47 | Cairenn | karl_w_w: btw - she does have a lovely voice |
| 19:21.14 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: ~$155/month for basically "extended basic" cable, and normal/average internets |
| 19:22.01 | karl_w_w | the loveliest Cairenn :P |
| 19:22.03 | Dagmar | Primer: You are also still wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_State_Capitol |
| 19:22.05 | Mr_Rabies | we can't get cable, Dagmar :( |
| 19:22.09 | Mr_Rabies | only satellite tv |
| 19:22.25 | Primer | Dagmar: that's a building |
| 19:22.34 | Mr_Rabies | we're rural but honestly not that bad, the isps are just greedy jerks |
| 19:22.51 | Primer | Dagmar: a city is a "capital" of a state |
| 19:22.57 | Primer | a "capitol" is a building |
| 19:23.11 | Primer | and surely the result of some idiot who couldn't spell |
| 19:23.24 | Dagmar | When they stop being a lair of greedy and calumny mayube I'll care |
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| 19:26.08 | Silvanas | omg steam broke, how i can play dota now :/ |
| 19:26.09 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, lair of greed. Do they have Cadbury Mini Eggs? Or is that in the gluttony category? |
| 19:34.22 | karl_w_w | you can't Silvanas |
| 19:34.29 | karl_w_w | steam is gone forever |
| 19:35.37 | Silvanas | meh got to play wow then |
| 19:39.03 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: Funny you should mention gluttony since I'm in the middle of threatening a bunch of climate deniers with cannibalism |
| 19:40.13 | Dagmar | It's not an idle threat, either. |
| 19:41.59 | Dagmar | I find this to be a much more satisfying approach than the last time when someone claimed 'Humans can't possibly change the climate for the entire planet.' to which my response was "Give me just ten medium-sized nuclear warheads and I'll show you how." |
| 19:48.40 | Lopeppeppy | Stick your heads in the sand some more, why don't ya? |
| 19:49.50 | Dagmar | So long as they wrap their heads in banana leaves first, I'm fine with that |
| 19:55.54 | ZorbaBeta | I doubt ten medium-sized nuclear warheads would do it. Planetwide, we've had over two *thousand* nuclear tests so far. |
| 19:58.44 | Shirik | but did you do it on the north pole? |
| 19:59.21 | g0urra | I did your mom on the north pole |
| 20:03.24 | karl_w_w | that's a relief |
| 20:03.28 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: They were largely underground and much smaller |
| 20:03.29 | karl_w_w | I thought I was the only one |
| 20:03.50 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: The largest once we have now wouldn't leave a crater the size of half a block. They'd leave a crater the size of a _county_ |
| 20:03.59 | Dagmar | s/once/ones/ |
| 20:04.30 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure ten would be enough to start a pretty decent winter on demand without killing everyone outright. |
| 20:04.48 | Dagmar | There's no way to win that argument if _everyone dies_ |
| 20:05.00 | ZorbaBeta | largely, but not exclusively. and there were well over ten atmospheric tests done |
| 20:05.08 | Dagmar | Small bursts |
| 20:05.27 | ZorbaBeta | it's also going to depend on what you mean by "medium-sized", of course |
| 20:06.07 | Dagmar | I have a very thick book here which is only about 15 years old |
| 20:06.14 | Dagmar | it's got all kinds of model numbers |
| 20:07.40 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure anyone capable of supplying nuclear warheads can figure out what would constitute "medium-sized" |
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| 20:37.42 | zmuser3 | some items when you loot them you get a dialog that says looting this will bind it to you yes/no something like that. how can I tell before I call LootSlot() if the item will have that? or can I tell after somehow? |
| 20:40.44 | Dagmar | Actually, I'm being told that there's a spot in the North Sea where you could engage climate change with just one nuke. |
| 20:40.46 | Dagmar | Good stuff. |
| 20:40.55 | Dagmar | I'd have nine left over to do whatever I want with |
| 20:44.45 | zmuser3 | like windfeather plume is BoA but I get that popup with freeforall looting but the epic BoA gear drops I don't get the popup |
| 20:44.54 | Shirik | zmuser3: You probably could hook the mechanism that's causing that popup |
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| 20:48.35 | zmuser3 | maybe if green and consumable then ConfirmLootSlot() this doesn't have to be perfect |
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| 20:56.49 | Semlar | you just want to always accept the bind message? |
| 20:56.54 | zmuser3 | yeah |
| 20:57.01 | Semlar | i don't remember ever seeing that |
| 20:57.38 | Semlar | oh, i built it into autoaccept |
| 20:57.54 | zmuser3 | ooh how |
| 20:57.55 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.07 | zmuser3 | nice thanks |
| 21:01.21 | TC-Work | ~lart Semlar |
| 21:01.21 | purl | blames Semlar for all the evil in the world |
| 21:01.24 | Semlar | :( |
| 21:01.49 | Jamash | Dagmar: Tsar Bomba was above-ground |
| 21:03.03 | Jamash | so no, ten medium-sized nukes would not appreciably change the climate |
| 21:03.18 | Semlar | they would in the immediate vicinity |
| 21:04.13 | Jamash | ha |
| 21:06.00 | Jamash | On the other hand, if one were to detonate a few medium-sized nukes directly on top of some of those Icelandic ash volcanoes, it would certainly cause one hell of a cloud |
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| 21:12.38 | Dagmar | Jamash: I've got someone telling me he could probably do it with one based on http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20011119/ |
| 21:15.40 | Jamash | The explosion of Mount Tambora is estimated at 800Mt and almost certainly affected worldwide temperatures significantly |
| 21:17.16 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8WOHcSe_4Q for people who haven't seen it |
| 21:17.36 | Jamash | karl_w_w: nyuck nyuck nyuck |
| 21:17.52 | Ackis | uhh is a "IBM xSeries 346 MT-M 8840-AC1" good? |
| 21:18.22 | karl_w_w | somebody broke Jamash :( |
| 21:18.23 | zenzelezz | sounds a bit like a Super SS Rally GT Fastback Hardtop Sprint |
| 21:18.36 | Jamash | karl_w_w: I was making three stooges noises |
| 21:19.15 | Jamash | Ackis: Good for what? |
| 21:20.19 | Ackis | Jamash: throwing ubuntu on it and using it as a home media server thingy? |
| 21:20.32 | Ackis | can you even do that to rack mounted servers? run them in a non-rack? |
| 21:21.41 | karl_w_w | do they get panicked and shut down if they don't feel the warm embrace of rack rails? :P |
| 21:21.56 | Jamash | from the service manual http://download.boulder.ibm.com/ibmdl/pub/systems/support/system_x_pdf/25k8115.pdf it appears to have a standard PC power socket |
| 21:22.07 | Ackis | maybe they have security issues and need to be comforted by other servers |
| 21:23.06 | Jamash | Just as a media server, seems adequate. |
| 21:24.21 | Jamash | As long as you're okay dealing with SCSI hard drives |
| 21:24.57 | Jamash | I personally wouldn't touch SCSI with a ten foot pole |
| 21:27.45 | Dagmar | You might want to look at the labal on your disks a little more closely then. |
| 21:28.08 | Jamash | Dagmar: ? |
| 21:28.29 | Dagmar | SAS disks. |
| 21:30.22 | Dagmar | Also, while the connector on the back of the server might match the common PSU NEMA-15 cable, if it's a rack-mounted device you better look real careful at the PSU because it's likely it might be expecting 208VAC |
| 21:30.37 | Dagmar | If you plug that in at home, generally it just won't work. |
| 21:30.58 | Dagmar | ...which is a far better thing than what happens when someone brings a commodity PSU that's not auto-switching into a data-center. |
| 21:31.12 | Jamash | I don't have any SAS disks |
| 21:31.14 | Dagmar | ...which is generally pretty lulsy when it's not your equipment. |
| 21:32.45 | Jamash | Dagmar: It has autoselect 50-60Hz and 90-137VAC or 180-265VAC |
| 21:33.00 | Gnarfoz | how many non-wide input range PSUs have been manufactured in the last ten years? |
| 21:33.03 | Dagmar | Okay, that's good |
| 21:33.04 | Gnarfoz | 0? |
| 21:33.12 | Dagmar | Oh trust me they're still out there |
| 21:33.13 | Jamash | however, ultra scsi |
| 21:33.21 | Jamash | Ultra SCSI, Dagmar. |
| 21:33.27 | Dagmar | Yeah. |
| 21:33.27 | Gnarfoz | ULTRA |
| 21:33.28 | Jamash | Just say no. |
| 21:33.32 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 21:33.41 | Dagmar | But it's 320! |
| 21:33.46 | Gnarfoz | very scsi, much parallel bus |
| 21:33.49 | Dagmar | That's an insanely large arbitrary number! |
| 21:33.50 | Gnarfoz | many pins |
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| 21:33.56 | Jamash | all the pins |
| 21:34.19 | Gnarfoz | terminate ALL the data pins |
| 21:34.26 | Jamash | terminate it with fire |
| 21:34.51 | Dagmar | I like how they're very specific about the amount of thermal grease to use |
| 21:35.01 | Dagmar | ...unlike Dell's "toothpaste" approach. |
| 21:35.10 | Jamash | I don't know from SAS because I've never dealt with it but ultra scsi is like something out of a lovecraft story |
| 21:35.10 | Gnarfoz | is my google-fu weak, or is there no documentation as to what the different access levels on an Intel RMM3 actually mean? :\ |
| 21:35.41 | Gnarfoz | Jamash: SAS looks (!) just like SATA to the common observer |
| 21:35.41 | Dagmar | Jamash: Basically, they're SATA disks with a slightly fancier firmware, stuck into a cheap plastic case |
| 21:35.59 | Jamash | uh, what's the point then |
| 21:36.09 | Dagmar | Not unlike all those "server class" SCSI disks which were acutally just normal disks in a cheap plastic box |
| 21:36.14 | Gnarfoz | so only lovecraftian in the sense as that there's a cable for each disk (excluding backplanes) |
| 21:36.19 | Dagmar | Jamash: IT R SERvER CLA$$ |
| 21:37.15 | Dagmar | Primarily that the manufacturer knows they can't get away with shipping disks that only have about 10,000 useful hours on them |
| 21:37.19 | Gnarfoz | Jamash: better guarantees from the vendor, different ratings for all kinds of stuff (temperature limits, operation hours limits (or lack of them), shock & vibration limits) |
| 21:37.21 | Jamash | Gnarfoz: Lovecraftian was specifically about old parallel scsi |
| 21:37.28 | Dagmar | ...because in a server they're damn likely to all get used in a row. Unlike a laptop. |
| 21:38.05 | Jamash | Dagmar: On the other hand, spin up and spin down are what puts the most wear on a disk |
| 21:38.06 | Gnarfoz | Jamash: Ultra 320 SCSI is "old parallel" scsi, though? :> (except you might be using LVDS cables, which are a bit slimmer) |
| 21:38.51 | Dagmar | Jamash: If you want to see your vendor freak out, you can stick laptop drives in a SAS wrapper and shove them into a server and they'll work |
| 21:38.56 | Dagmar | ...although the controller will complain a bit. |
| 21:39.15 | Dagmar | The main fancy in SAS firmware is that it's too snooty to talk to anything that doesn't know the magic SAS handshake. |
| 21:39.17 | Gnarfoz | tbh, what Dagmar is describing fits better to "Near-line SAS" drives, than actual SAS |
| 21:39.18 | Torhal | ULTRAWIDE! |
| 21:39.47 | Gnarfoz | (i.e. "still crap, just different packaging") |
| 21:40.16 | Dagmar | I say these things because i've done them. Heh |
| 21:40.31 | Dagmar | I lost my respect for the fancy server SCSI disks when I was required to blank a bunch of them. |
| 21:40.52 | Dagmar | I had *one* Compaq SCSI controller to do it with |
| 21:41.09 | Dagmar | Without exception, each and every one of those drives worked on it once I took them out of the expensive plastic case |
| 21:41.23 | Gnarfoz | I'm looking forward to our SAN move sometime later this year... I wonder how many of those disks will even work when we power it up again |
| 21:41.34 | Jamash | my home server just died |
| 21:41.59 | Jamash | RIP, IntelliStation Z Pro |
| 21:42.41 | Dagmar | You were just carping about ultra-scsi |
| 21:42.50 | Dagmar | That's an option with the Z pro |
| 21:42.51 | Jamash | yeah we put sata cards in it |
| 21:42.55 | Jamash | we're not animals |
| 21:42.59 | Dagmar | lol |
| 21:43.21 | Jamash | I mean, we are technically animals. You know what I mean. |
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| 21:44.04 | Jamash | pizza time! |
| 21:44.07 | Dagmar | I'm an animal |
| 21:44.22 | Gnarfoz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-44fzg9aug |
| 21:44.43 | Dagmar | I had a storage guy waffling about which drive in an array I was supposed to replace, when I told him I was pretty sure from watching the blinkenlights that he was telling me the wrong one |
| 21:45.10 | Gnarfoz | blinkenlights whisperer |
| 21:45.14 | Dagmar | So... knowing they had two drives for parity/reundnancy, I just pulled and immediately reinserted the disk in question. |
| 21:45.19 | Gnarfoz | (really, that's what they're there for. what the fuck.) |
| 21:45.34 | Gnarfoz | which is what everyone does |
| 21:45.37 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:45.38 | Dagmar | The controller got VERY upset about being down to zero redundancy |
| 21:45.42 | Dagmar | Hehe |
| 21:46.37 | Dagmar | About 25 minutes later, once the array had finished carefully scrutinizing the reinserted disk and restoring the array... "Okay, yes, Dagmar replace the one you thought it was" |
| 21:47.04 | Dagmar | I was really hoping it would take longer |
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| 22:41.06 | pompy1 | https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t31.0-8/467146_10150739499886172_2090690964_o.jpg lols |
| 22:46.36 | Gnarfoz | they just put on the label what everyone's calling it anyway |
| 22:46.40 | TC-Work | Heh |
| 22:56.31 | pompy1 | lol |
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| 23:38.48 | VIad | anyone here called libby daniels? |
| 23:48.20 | Cairenn | Liiiiby. Libby Daniels. You who? |
| 23:48.42 | Cairenn | I called her. She didn't answer. |
| 23:52.23 | kullervo | pompy1: three phase types of fucks given |
| 23:53.07 | kullervo | who's responsible for the CT addon config GUI? It might be the obvious excess endorphine my brain's producing but I found it AMAZING. |
| 23:59.01 | zmuser3 | Semlar gave me this earlier, how do I SetScript OnEvent for one event like that? so far I had a handler for all events and lots of if event == 'SOME_EVENT' then elseif ... http://pastebin.com/zkB0BJA2 |
| 23:59.42 | zmuser3 | I ended up putting his thing into my event handler but how do I do it that way? |
