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| 00:18.39 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaaV29_Gq-g |
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| 00:31.42 | Sintacks | good to know i still crash if i try to add someone to battletab via titansocial's guild list |
| 00:31.56 | Sintacks | seems odd that trying to add someone to battletag would cause a crash |
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| 01:51.02 | Neffi | I've got an HTC Supersonic laying around that I'm not doing anything with. It's not fast (Cortex A8, 512 MB RAM, shitty GPU) but I figure I can do something cool with it |
| 01:51.30 | Neffi | I'm thinking of maybe porting a full Linux distro, or Sailfish/Tizen, or something. Any cool ideas? |
| 01:52.09 | TC-Work | Baseball bat |
| 01:52.36 | Neffi | I was thinking more along the lines of a project that would teach me some useful skills as a software engineer |
| 01:52.54 | Neffi | but I'll definitely put a peg in that ;) |
| 01:53.17 | TC-Work | Not a peg, a Baseball bat. |
| 01:53.32 | Neffi | It's got no generic drivers, but I figure maybe I can hack something to run on the Bionic libc for which the drivers function |
| 01:56.41 | Neffi | Actually Mer's driver layer seems to support Android drivers via libhybris on a non-Bionic libc, so that's a possibility |
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| 02:40.41 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: do you (or anyone else) know what linux software is capable of generating this sort of screencast? http://imgur.com/a/IFhwf#0 |
| 02:41.19 | Arrowmaster | libav |
| 02:41.25 | Arrowmaster | or ffmpeg |
| 02:43.23 | kd3 | there's higher level tools too, I think it's 'recordmydesktop', 'istanbul', and 'fros' |
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| 02:43.45 | Arrowmaster | most of which use ffmpeg/libav at the core |
| 02:43.56 | kd3 | yah |
| 02:44.23 | Arrowmaster | if you guys already installed portal2 linux theres a manual fix required |
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| 02:52.36 | TC-Work | VLC can as well |
| 03:02.19 | kd3 | the TPP ledge boss strikes again |
| 03:03.23 | DJJeff | can anyone get curse client to run as admin? (win 7 UAC is annoying) |
| 03:06.34 | Dagmar | You should _probably_ just set ownership of all your WoW files to your user account. |
| 03:06.49 | Dagmar | THere's no reason Curse should need to be run as Admin, and it's kind of a bad idea to do in principle |
| 03:07.25 | DJJeff | also this keeps popping up |
| 03:07.26 | DJJeff | http://bpaste.net/show/182809/ |
| 03:07.31 | Amarande | Yeah, it's like running an ad-serving program on Linux as root. |
| 03:07.57 | DJJeff | the only issue with curse is it will get an X on the firewall |
| 03:08.09 | DJJeff | everything else works just fine (updating, installing addons) |
| 03:11.38 | Dagmar | The only reason you're getting UAC warnings is because Curse is trying to modify files you don't have write access to |
| 03:11.55 | DJJeff | in regards to windows firewall? |
| 03:12.02 | DJJeff | cause thats the only thing that gets an X |
| 03:12.07 | Dagmar | If you're the sole user of WoW on that machine, there's no real downside to just changing the ownerships from the World of Warcraft directory on down to you |
| 03:12.36 | Dagmar | Curse will run, have no problems with the files, and the firewall won't get persnickety because it was launched as you, the logged-in user. |
| 03:12.45 | DJJeff | Dagmar I can not stress enough.... everything else works |
| 03:12.58 | DJJeff | its just the firewall error that stands out |
| 03:13.30 | Dagmar | You should be glad they're not selinux permissions |
| 03:13.36 | kd3 | lol |
| 03:14.02 | Dagmar | Somt tool on craiglist was trying to say the first time he installs it he'll just set it in permissive mode and just _fix_ the errors. |
| 03:14.13 | Dagmar | I'm like, Um... no. HUNDREDS of hours you will waste |
| 03:14.13 | DJJeff | curse has a funny path too |
| 03:14.28 | DJJeff | "C:\Users\<me>\AppData\Local\Apps\2.0\X081B8D5.LQZ\YVE6EK4P.PLN\curs..tion_9e9e83ddf3ed3ead_0005.0001_181b5e0542e9eb6c\CurseClient.exe" |
| 03:14.42 | kd3 | blame the clickonce launcher |
| 03:14.45 | Dagmar | Ugh. Deranged auto-selected paths |
| 03:15.05 | DJJeff | like wtf kind of path is that |
| 03:15.12 | Dagmar | It's hash keys basically |
| 03:15.18 | kd3 | a path that you as a user don't need to care about |
| 03:15.34 | DJJeff | except when I need to find it |
| 03:15.48 | Dagmar | A path that was generated by aggressively ignoring the possibiliyt that human eyes would ever be exposed to it |
| 03:15.54 | DJJeff | I like it when things reside in C:\Program Files (x86)\ |
| 03:16.01 | DJJeff | just like everything else |
| 03:16.07 | Dagmar | Well, needing to find it would start with %AppData% but the rest of that is some crazy session hash shit |
| 03:16.41 | Amarande | Dagmar: "SkyInstaller T.0, copyright (C) 1998 Skynet, all rights reserved present, future, and past?" :) |
| 03:16.55 | Dagmar | Frankly I find it somewhat disturbing that two parts of that path think that 8.3 is still a thing |
| 03:17.00 | Dagmar | LIke wtf |
| 03:17.03 | Dagmar | what year is it? |
| 03:17.20 | Guest31132 | DJJeff: I hate that |
| 03:17.36 | Guest31132 | Because it literally means you, as a developer, don't give a shit about the system you're running on or the security of your users |
| 03:17.49 | Arrowmaster | clickonce? |
| 03:17.58 | Dagmar | It's a tookit for generating installers |
| 03:18.07 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 03:18.14 | Dagmar | ...although it's not like NSIS is user-friendly |
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| 03:19.23 | kd3 | aren't paths still internally stored as 8.3? that's why "c:\progra~1" still works? |
| 03:19.44 | kd3 | just tried it in his win7 vm |
| 03:20.07 | Dagmar | Windows has libs that will translate that afaik |
| 03:20.37 | DJJeff | and this.... is why process explorer kicks butt! |
| 03:20.38 | DJJeff | http://oi58.tinypic.com/23hvx2p.jpg |
| 03:21.18 | DJJeff | it looks purrrrrrdy |
| 03:21.25 | DJJeff | and colorful |
| 03:21.41 | Dagmar | Some people would just click on the icon and find the path from there |
| 03:22.02 | DJJeff | in windows built in task manager? |
| 03:22.19 | DJJeff | I have not used it since windows 98 |
| 03:22.22 | kd3 | right-click on the shortcut, properties -> open containing folder |
| 03:22.32 | DJJeff | hrmmmmmm that would also work |
| 03:22.33 | kd3 | which uh, worked in 98 |
| 03:22.37 | Arrowmaster | yay voices work in portal2 now |
| 03:23.14 | DJJeff | I still think process explorer is awesome at all the things it does |
| 03:23.34 | DJJeff | showing GPU usage per process |
| 03:24.26 | DJJeff | someone told me conhost.exe was a virus haha |
| 03:27.25 | kd3 | TPP got in giovanni's gym! it only took 6 hours |
| 03:28.43 | Dagmar | heh |
| 03:29.39 | Arrowmaster | alt tabbing crashed portal 2 |
| 03:36.45 | Amarande | wow |
| 03:36.47 | Amarande | wtg Valve |
| 03:37.02 | kd3 | it's the first public beta release. this is par for the course |
| 03:41.20 | Guest31132 | so here's a fun one |
| 03:41.32 | Guest31132 | looking at the wikipedia table with the 2014 olympic medals given to each country |
| 03:41.39 | Guest31132 | and at the bottom it has totals: 99 gold, 99 bronze |
| 03:41.42 | Guest31132 | but only 97 silver |
| 03:41.43 | Guest31132 | wtf? |
| 03:42.09 | kd3 | the silver medalists got DQ'd/stripped for doping? |
| 03:43.11 | Guest31132 | apparently both gold and bronze had a tie o.o |
| 03:43.22 | kd3 | here's one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2014_Winter_Olympics_medal_winners#Women%27s_events |
| 03:43.23 | Guest31132 | (the gold tie causes silver to drop by one, naturally) |
| 03:43.28 | alestane | I think I remember a gold tie, yes. |
| 03:43.41 | alestane | So, 98 events received medals, then. |
| 03:43.46 | Neffi | mmmm dat boron |
| 03:44.00 | Neffi | dope dat p junction |
| 03:44.11 | Guest31132 | ...... |
| 03:44.21 | Guest31132 | thwacks Neffi |
| 03:44.25 | Neffi | Every time I hear doping I think of semiconductors >_> |
| 03:48.34 | Amarande | heh, that's got to be fun |
| 03:48.48 | Amarande | they have to put in an emergency quick order for extra gold and bronze medals |
| 03:49.01 | Amarande | given how timely they seemed to get everything else done in Sochi ... LOL |
| 03:49.34 | Amarande | Did that one journalist's hotel water stop being yellow crap that apparently must contain Captain Trips or something given the "don't even get it on your face" dire warnings? :S |
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| 03:55.36 | Sintacks | anyone know off top of head api to do a /roll |
| 03:56.03 | Sintacks | RandomRoll |
| 03:56.07 | Sintacks | that makes sense |
| 04:02.48 | Guest31132 | huh |
| 04:02.57 | Guest31132 | yet another justification of the "ALWAYS USE BRACES" mentality: https://www.imperialviolet.org/2014/02/22/applebug.html |
| 04:03.08 | Guest31132 | (^ the actual code behind the Apple SSL bug) |
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| 04:04.43 | Arrowmaster | why wont you fix your nick |
| 04:04.52 | Guest31132 | Apple stole it |
| 04:05.20 | Guest31132 | here have a puppy Cairenn http://25.media.tumblr.com/ab34f17a35fc6ca35de6a69611332a71/tumblr_n1k1fbWPRU1t4t7gwo1_1280.jpg |
| 04:05.27 | kd3 | meh, guest nicks in other channels are being annoying. think it's time to put guest*!*@* back on ignore |
| 04:05.29 | Cairenn | awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 04:07.57 | Sintacks | bleh |
| 04:09.27 | Neffi | deadline or noop for NAND storage (phone)? |
| 04:09.39 | Neffi | Interactive use obviously |
| 04:10.05 | Amarande | hmmm ... Shirik links puppy, Cairenn awwwws, Sintacks blehs |
| 04:10.10 | Amarande | I'm guessing Sintacks only likes cats |
| 04:10.58 | Sintacks | i'm more so bleh at why this stupid code isn't working |
| 04:13.50 | Primer | argh, even this arena junkies forum post for arms warrior is filled with dated info |
| 04:14.23 | Amarande | I read that as "aroma jenkins" or something like that |
| 04:14.35 | Amarande | I think it must be hitting me that I was at work at 7:30 this morning. :| |
| 04:14.49 | Amarande | yeah, apparently the expert opinions on arms warriors is to don't be one atm heh |
| 04:15.10 | Amarande | they didn't scale very well in Mists, it looks like |
| 04:15.56 | Primer | I'm talking pvp |
| 04:16.41 | Wobin | I have a few ESO beta keys if anyone wants =P |
| 04:18.16 | Wobin | not that it's overly difficult to obtain from other sources, but I was testing stuff |
| 04:21.43 | Neffi | Wobin: I wouldn't mind one |
| 04:29.24 | Iriel | Wobin: weekend beta keys or 'real beta' keys? If it's the former i'm set, if it's the latter, yes please 8-) |
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| 04:46.49 | Neffi | . . . . http://newyork.craigslist.org/stn/cpg/4325801116.html |
| 04:46.55 | Neffi | "Build Me A Time Machine" |
| 04:59.00 | Wobin | Iriel: former =) |
| 04:59.08 | Wobin | oh sure neffi, email? |
| 04:59.18 | Neffi | nefftd@gmail.com |
| 04:59.43 | Iriel | Wobin: ah well, thanks anyway 8-) |
| 05:00.12 | Wobin | Neffi: sent |
| 05:00.19 | Neffi | thanks :D |
| 05:00.40 | Wobin | Iriel: hehe, I'm unsure if I actually want an ESO cbk |
| 05:00.51 | Wobin | as it would possibly get in the way of 'other' closed betas |
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| 05:01.37 | Sintacks | k. i have a string that is a number. and tonumber'ing it isn't working |
| 05:01.49 | Sintacks | when i say a number. i mean "number.' |
| 05:01.54 | Neffi | code's invalid |
| 05:01.55 | Neffi | meh |
| 05:02.29 | Neffi | Sintacks: huh? post the exact contents of the string here? |
| 05:02.37 | Sintacks | this one was "10." |
| 05:02.51 | Sintacks | but it's going to be a random nu ber |
| 05:03.15 | Sintacks | but will always have the . |
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| 05:03.22 | Neffi | So you're doing tonumber("10.") ? |
| 05:03.23 | Wobin | can you not truncate it? |
| 05:03.25 | Neffi | that should work |
| 05:03.40 | Sintacks | i'll check code in a sec |
| 05:04.24 | Neffi | If WoW's tonumber() is behaving differently from stock, try this: tonumber(numstring:match('%d+')) |
| 05:05.12 | Neffi | or: tonumber( numstring:match('%d+%.%d+') or numstring:match('%d+') ) -- if it might be a float |
| 05:05.27 | Iriel | Wow's tonumber works just fine. |
| 05:05.46 | Iriel | I just did /dump tonumber("10.") |
| 05:05.48 | Iriel | it yields 10 |
| 05:06.01 | Sintacks | yeah need to check coded |
| 05:06.17 | Sintacks | i might have used the wrong thing or wrong caps |
| 05:08.27 | Sintacks | i see what it was.. i was overrighting the var |
| 05:08.50 | Neffi | Can't give it too many rights. then it becomes a self righteous hippy |
| 05:11.08 | Sintacks | lol |
| 05:11.28 | Dagmar | Next thing you know it'll want to vote and own property |
| 05:11.30 | Sintacks | i was making an auto leet roll thing... cuz i'm bored and find it funny |
| 05:11.47 | Sintacks | and now that i can make it play myself, i can work it a little more to make it auto do a leet roll with someone else |
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| 06:24.19 | Neffi | Strangely beautiful http://i.4cdn.org/g/src/1393373344534.jpg |
| 06:24.52 | Neffi | If this maintains good temps without being loud, I'm giving them major props for that design |
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| 07:04.05 | Mr_Rabies | doesn't seem all that different than most slimline pcs, neffi |
| 07:04.08 | Mr_Rabies | what's special about it? |
| 07:04.19 | Mr_Rabies | oh, the video card, it's a steambox |
| 07:05.57 | Neffi | That's a good Intel CPU and a high end GPU packed into that box. That's why |
| 07:08.06 | Guest31132 | http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2014/02/25/dorkly-comic-the-perfect-pet-for-every-gamer/ |
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| 07:24.10 | karl_w_w | is serious sam a good game? |
| 07:28.10 | Corrodias2 | i'm told 1 -- first and second encounter -- is a classic. they try to forget about 2. 3 is cool. it's in the old style. run and gun stuff. |
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| 08:03.25 | Mr_Rabies | ugh the new new tab page in chrome suuuuuucks now |
| 08:05.10 | Mr_Rabies | i swear google's product teams are trying to keep their jobs by repeatedly breaking and then "fixing" everything google owns nowadays |
| 08:18.32 | Neffi | Mr_Rabies: Humble New Tab Page |
| 08:19.07 | Neffi | The shitty new tab page is the one thing that kept me using Opera for a while, even when I got tired of my regular sites not working in it |
| 08:19.49 | karl_w_w | ~ping |
| 08:19.49 | purl | ~pong |
| 08:19.53 | karl_w_w | uh huh |
| 08:19.58 | karl_w_w | so why is nothing else working |
| 08:21.05 | Neffi | Yeah I'm getting bad latency and nickserv isn't responding |
| 08:21.16 | Neffi | 'nother DDOS maybe |
| 08:25.26 | karl_w_w | all my internets weren't working |
| 08:25.39 | karl_w_w | except irc |
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| 08:26.15 | karl_w_w | which is especially annoying seeing as I was winning my HS game and instead have gone down from rank 3 to 4 |
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| 09:31.08 | Neffi | Semlar: ping |
| 09:31.32 | Neffi | oh nevermind |
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| 09:59.14 | VIad | lua> h |
| 09:59.19 | VIad | >lua hi |
| 09:59.20 | VIad | !lua hi |
| 09:59.23 | VIad | lua bot :( |
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| 10:58.40 | Semlar | Neffi: pong |
| 10:59.59 | Neffi | I forgot why I pinged you, but quick, name my rival in Red |
| 11:01.37 | Neffi | took too long. naming him Semlar |
| 11:01.51 | Semlar | you're going down |
| 11:01.58 | Neffi | we'll see |
| 11:02.10 | Semlar | you can't tempt fate neffi |
| 11:04.46 | Neffi | i just kicked your ass with my brand new charmander |
| 11:04.51 | Neffi | you even had type advantage and still lost |
| 11:09.47 | Semlar | i'll be back |
| 11:11.10 | Neffi | I think not |
| 11:12.34 | Neffi | An Evo 4G isn't very good for emulation :| |
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| 14:54.20 | Fisker | I lol'd Lopeppeppy :D |
| 14:54.39 | Fisker | Boss was wondering why we wasted a lot of money on licenses we didn't need |
| 14:54.55 | Fisker | Well after I told him I wasn't deploying Teamviewer because it wasn't necessary |
| 14:54.56 | Fisker | bam |
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| 14:59.45 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. |
| 15:00.35 | Lopeppeppy | We just found out that the trustees hate our entire website design. They loved it this time last year. Aren't telling is what changed but they are "very disappointed in the web staff." |
| 15:00.43 | Lopeppeppy | (P.S. we didn't change the design any, so wtf?) |
| 15:00.57 | zenzio | probably been posted already, but wow... http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=83182&src=ve |
| 15:16.51 | Semlar | at least somebody's trying to save energy |
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| 15:29.01 | Fisker | :( Lopeppeppy |
| 15:30.09 | Lopeppeppy | They are the people who decide on raises, so they could theoretically decide that since we're so disappointing, we don't get raises next year. Jerkwads. We design a site to attract 16-19 year old students to apply to our college, and these 50-70 year old dicks say they don't like it. Well, duh. |
| 15:31.41 | Corrodias2 | design work is for masochists |
| 15:33.58 | Dagmar | That means the staff can decide it's not worth working there anymore, and begin dragging their feet while they look for an employer who understands things like "inflationary raises". |
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| 15:34.47 | Dagmar | Vanderbilt's learning the hard way if you don't do at least that, all the good people leave. |
| 15:38.30 | Corrodias2 | i want you to work extra hours, but i can't tell you what i want, and you have to do it for free |
| 15:38.43 | Corrodias2 | you can put it in your portfolio |
| 15:39.40 | Dagmar | Time to cover your junk in paint, smear it on a foamboard, and put it in a gallery |
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| 16:04.32 | Fisker | Yeah that's logic Lopeppeppy |
| 16:06.15 | Lopeppeppy | Very logic. Much morale. Such fuckery. |
| 16:25.31 | Fisker | :PP |
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| 16:35.12 | Ackis | http://www.reddit.com/r/WowUI/comments/1yzvii/meta_would_rwowui_be_interested_in_addon_author/ |
| 16:38.55 | Lopeppeppy | There really is a reddit for everything. |
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| 16:46.17 | Ackis | http://i.imgur.com/3e2khf9.jpg |
| 16:46.44 | zenzelezz | oh, porn commenters... "Errrrrrr... Ariel X has had implants for yonks now, and she doesn't in this. They must keep footage around FOREVAAAR before putting it out. edit: Actually, after googling it, I guess she was just pregnant. :O Never mind then!" |
| 16:46.46 | Fisker | yeah Lopeppeppy |
| 16:46.54 | Fisker | I like the gonewild one |
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| 16:55.28 | karl_w_w | everyone on my battletag playing wow keeps DCing :P |
| 16:57.55 | Lopeppeppy | You would, Fisker. |
| 16:58.20 | Fisker | yes :( |
| 17:09.39 | Ackis | http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/freeapp/ iTunes app for any who care |
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| 17:38.21 | art3mis | hola |
| 17:40.34 | zenzelezz | ahoy |
| 17:45.27 | VIad | is it possible to create a button to cast a spell with the left button, and toggle it with the right? (i.e. right click to disable the left clicking) |
| 17:45.40 | VIad | I have done it but requires to be outside of combat to toggle it :P |
| 17:45.51 | VIad | wondered if there is a way to make it toggleable in combat as well |
| 17:50.56 | DJJeff | twitch plays pokemon was written in python??????? |
| 17:50.59 | DJJeff | https://github.com/aidraj/twitch-plays |
| 17:51.42 | TC-Work | Whats wrong with that? |
| 17:51.53 | DJJeff | nothing |
| 17:51.56 | DJJeff | just a shocker |
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| 17:52.45 | DJJeff | which is up to 52k viewers |
| 17:53.44 | wimpeh | Is it possible to get transmog info from inspect window? GetTransmogrifySlotInfo() works for just your items, If i'm not mistaken.. |
| 17:55.46 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy |
| 17:55.50 | Fisker | huehuehue |
| 17:58.56 | Lopeppeppy | Bless you, my child. |
| 18:00.11 | VIad | wimpeh: :( |
| 18:10.52 | Fisker | Are you calling me immature Lopeppeppy? |
| 18:12.17 | Gnarfoz | how the hell is that thing being written in python a "shocker" |
| 18:14.37 | Lopeppeppy | I can't call you at all, Fisker, international rates are too steep |
| 18:14.58 | Fisker | hangouts, skype, etc? |
| 18:16.18 | Lopeppeppy | Hangout maybe, but no webcam, so you're just SOL |
| 18:22.30 | Lopeppeppy | I haven't had a Long Distance Movie Night is just about forever! |
| 18:22.49 | Lopeppeppy | eyes alestane and Unkle. |
| 18:25.29 | zenzelezz | you call that long distance? |
| 18:29.31 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/hIpeGhS |
| 18:30.54 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker would be longer distance, but either of those two would also be long distance. I can't walk to their houses. |
| 18:31.41 | Fisker | I'm relatively close |
| 18:32.09 | Fisker | Also I think hangouts do voice chat Lopeppeppy |
| 18:32.14 | Fisker | I don't has a webcam either |
| 18:32.21 | pumba | WoD needs to come out already |
| 18:32.30 | Fisker | not enough of a camwhore to have one |
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| 18:35.12 | Arrowmaster | TC-Work: guessing youve seen this? http://pando.com/2014/02/25/revenge-of-the-nerds-how-tech-geeks-found-a-secret-weapon-in-their-fight-against-big-hollywood/ |
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| 18:46.17 | Gnarfoz | buzzword bingo |
| 18:46.56 | Gnarfoz | I hate hate hate such pointlessly rainbow press-y titles |
| 18:54.58 | Lopeppeppy | "The webinar will begin shortly. Please remain on the line." ... every 20 seconds. /wrists |
| 18:56.37 | mikma | arrowmaster: TL;DR - what's the idea |
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| 18:58.13 | Arrowmaster | mikma: MPAA wants digital goods classified as imports to fight 3d printers, hollywood is outsourcing vfx jobs in mass and us government wont apply the anti subsidiary laws to them but would have to if digital goods were considered imports |
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| 19:03.22 | Sintacks | MPAA is retarded |
| 19:03.47 | Mr_Rabies | why does the mpaa want to fight 3d printers? |
| 19:03.47 | Mr_Rabies | are they really afraid a block of plastic can replace their movies? |
| 19:04.01 | Sintacks | because they're stupid |
| 19:04.33 | mikma | riiiiiight |
| 19:04.34 | Arrowmaster | movie merchandise would be my best guess |
| 19:05.41 | Arrowmaster | but the ruling would strengthen mpaa's fights against bootlegs probably |
| 19:06.30 | Fisker | I'll web your inar Lopeppeppy |
| 19:06.36 | Arrowmaster | its a bit late but i think ill go pickup some lunch |
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| 19:18.50 | Fisker | hibyehibye cogwheel :( |
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| 19:22.03 | Dagmar | *shudder* |
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| 21:35.45 | ccox | So netsplits, many reconnects, is ddos day again? |
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| 21:49.31 | Semlar | every day is ddos day! |
| 22:01.15 | Sajaki | $ |
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| 22:46.51 | jleclanche | https://xkcd.com/1335/ |
| 22:46.54 | jleclanche | this is what I needed. |
| 22:51.52 | TC-Work | He should have made it realtime |
| 22:53.03 | Amarande | TC-Work: that would either have to be an applet of some sort (which means xkcd would start requiring flash or java ... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO), or it would have to be sending a new image rapidly enough to be a monstrous use of bandwidth |
| 22:55.36 | Gnarfoz | it is |
| 22:55.50 | Gnarfoz | well, near-realtime, at least ;) |
| 22:58.19 | jleclanche | Amarande: no |
| 22:58.32 | jleclanche | Amarande: it is very easily done with canvas and a bit of js |
| 22:58.35 | Ermad | couldnt you just use javascript and CSS transforms? |
| 22:58.38 | jleclanche | hell, with two images it can be done with css and js |
| 22:59.33 | jleclanche | literally nothing possible with flash is not possible with html5 these days |
| 22:59.44 | jleclanche | except broken-by-design bullshit decisions |
| 23:00.07 | jleclanche | "Literally 1 hour into the game and I get a Legendary drop on top of the 10~ yellows that dropped for me. Is the game going to be like this from now on? Or am I just seeing this through rose tinted glasses because of the new patch?" |
| 23:00.19 | jleclanche | this guy should go to zimbabwe to fix his monetary issues |
| 23:01.10 | Amarande | I'm guessing that with the new patch D3 has reverted to D2 style drops? |
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| 23:02.38 | Amarande | heh, good thing Blizz announces the auction house shutdowns, too |
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| 23:03.02 | Amarande | otherwise, they may very well go unlamented and unnoticed till some poor sod tried to use them after the deadline |
| 23:06.20 | Amarande | let's see ... what happens around then. week before that? Titanfall. day the shutdown happens? FFX/FFX-2 HD Remaster for PS3, and MGS5 for PS4 and XB None. Blizz won't get to come back into the limelight till the next week when the expansion pack hits. |
| 23:06.34 | Amarande | I've preordered the FFX remaster. :) |
| 23:08.00 | Dagmar | Oh hell I forgot about the shutdown |
| 23:08.25 | Amarande | "OK, well, first we've made it so that it's much more likely to be intelligence or armor or vitality or something that you're going to want." |
| 23:08.30 | Amarande | You know, why don't they take another step from that |
| 23:08.33 | Amarande | instead of just "MUCH MORE LIKELY" |
| 23:08.35 | Dagmar | Only two more days until 72 hours of no Facebook, no Linkedin, and no Google. |
| 23:09.04 | Amarande | why can't we be like Diablo 2 where uniques had sanely related stat combinations *all the time* for a given item (well, usually, except for those oddball uniques that nobody wanted, generally exactly because the stats were terribad) |
| 23:09.22 | pompy | Dagmar: i bet there will be ppl who fall for that too |
| 23:10.22 | Dagmar | Sadly this is probably true |
| 23:10.53 | Dagmar | Hell I wound up getting an email from my mother earlier today containing this link in it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JNFr_j6kdI |
| 23:10.54 | Amarande | oh yay, reconfiguring game files, haven't seen this one before |
| 23:11.03 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure she got that from one of my uncles |
| 23:11.03 | Amarande | man, this reminds me of when SW:TOR decided it needed to "reorganise data" |
| 23:11.11 | Amarande | except I think SW:TOR might have been faster |
| 23:11.11 | Amarande | :| |
| 23:20.21 | Wobin | Dagmar: can I get a tl;dw on taht video? |
| 23:24.13 | art3mis | no linkedin on gn0es whatever shall we do! |
| 23:24.19 | art3mis | on a weekend |
| 23:24.22 | art3mis | ! |
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| 23:28.05 | Amarande | dammit, Blizz |
| 23:28.19 | Amarande | do you have to make the bnet client use *all* the available bandwidth to download the patch? :| |
| 23:28.36 | Amarande | as in, it apparently so single-mindedly takes your bandwidth that you even lag off of IRC |
| 23:28.57 | art3mis | its obviously more important than anything else you're doing duh |
| 23:29.12 | Amarande | art3mis: got dropped from freenode and Undernet and my ping on Sorcery jumped up to 30 seconds + |
| 23:29.28 | Amarande | the moment I hit pause on the download, the sorcery ping dropped to less than a second and I was able to actually get back on freenode |
| 23:29.51 | art3mis | thats yer sharing back |
| 23:29.58 | art3mis | screw sharing! |
| 23:30.34 | Amarande | which means either the bnet client is *that* single-minded or else the net neutrality ruling is starting to take further effect |
| 23:31.02 | Amarande | (since I can't imagine Blizzard NOT paying to play when high network performance is so vital to all their games, while I doubt any IRC networks will be able to make the necessary deals) |
| 23:31.53 | TC-Work | welcome back after 5 years or whatever art3mis. |
| 23:32.31 | art3mis | heya tc whats shakin |
| 23:32.41 | art3mis | yeah its been a long while |
| 23:32.46 | TC-Work | No kidding |
| 23:32.47 | Amarande | hm, unless it's sharing, but I'm not actually sure how most people even can p2p share bnet files when most folks are behind a NAT |
| 23:33.04 | Amarande | doesn't setting up torrents or such behind a NAT tend to require you actively set stuff up for it on the router? |
| 23:33.10 | TC-Work | All the missed Hello Kitty jokes. Oh well. |
| 23:33.10 | Amarande | I'd think it'd be the same here |
| 23:33.15 | art3mis | the nice curse people keep emailing me once a month figured id stop by and see how everyone as ;) |
| 23:33.26 | Wobin | I reckon |
| 23:33.33 | Wobin | getting beta keys from them |
| 23:33.39 | art3mis | yup |
| 23:33.49 | Wobin | and noticing the last update time on my addons |
| 23:33.52 | Amarande | hm |
| 23:33.54 | Wobin | and feeling somewhat embarassed |
| 23:34.16 | Amarande | even with the "enable peer to peer" box not checked off, there's still noticeable increase in lag on IRC when downloading the patch. odd, since IRC barely uses any bandwidth |
| 23:34.35 | Amarande | (no, not that much ... inb4 someone quips "except when Amarande is talking" :P) |
| 23:34.42 | art3mis | ive been rather lazy in my mmoing, mostly Tera and DDO |
| 23:35.00 | Wobin | IRC tends to be the last internet app that gets affected by bandwidth |
| 23:35.17 | Wobin | I've been beta-ing recently |
| 23:35.17 | Amarande | art3mis: is D&D Online any good? I've played a certain other of Turbine's offerings, but never got around to DDO |
| 23:35.23 | art3mis | i like it |
| 23:35.26 | Wobin | Amarande: I wasn't too impressed |
| 23:35.30 | art3mis | the combat portion is what makes me happy |
| 23:35.36 | Wobin | but taht could be the paygate portion |
| 23:35.40 | Amarande | (I do know the other big D&D based F2P, Neverwinter, is absolutely terribad, though, and I don't even have to play that one to know it) |
| 23:35.55 | Wobin | Neverwinter got offline crafting done well, at least |
| 23:35.57 | art3mis | yeah neverwinter thers something just off with it |
| 23:36.00 | art3mis | oh that reminds me |
| 23:36.03 | Wobin | it's robotic |
| 23:36.08 | Wobin | (the gameplay) |
| 23:36.14 | art3mis | i have a beta key for ESO for this weekend |
| 23:36.18 | Wobin | \o/ |
| 23:36.18 | Amarande | Wobin: yeah, one thing that surely will piss me off about DDO if I try it is the limitations of Turbine's account system |
| 23:36.21 | art3mis | anyone not have one? |
| 23:36.24 | Amarande | namely, the fact that you can't share Turbine Points between LOTRO and DDO if you play both :( |
| 23:36.25 | TC-Work | Everyone has them |
| 23:36.28 | Wobin | I think I still have a spare |
| 23:36.33 | TC-Work | teso is whoring them out |
| 23:36.44 | art3mis | yeah the invite a friend key this time |
| 23:36.53 | art3mis | its got its issues |
| 23:36.59 | Amarande | Wobin: SW:TOR has a good offline crafting mechanic too |
| 23:37.00 | art3mis | but generally not too bad |
| 23:37.01 | Wobin | every gaming site has a bunch they're giving out |
| 23:37.05 | Wobin | Amarande: They do? |
| 23:37.15 | Amarande | Wobin: yup. which is a bloody flaming good thing |
| 23:37.21 | Wobin | I thought it was just queue it up before logging out |
| 23:37.23 | art3mis | tera surprisingly is a LOT of fun |
| 23:37.26 | Amarande | given that top tier crafts can literally take an hour or so to create |
| 23:37.29 | Amarande | yeah, it's queue it up before logout |
| 23:37.30 | art3mis | ni a super mindless kind of way |
| 23:37.31 | Wobin | oh |
| 23:37.40 | Wobin | no, NEverwinter actually have a web gateway |
| 23:37.43 | TC-Work | The only thing on the horizon for me is wildstar. |
| 23:37.44 | Wobin | where you can craft stuff |
| 23:37.47 | Wobin | ^ |
| 23:37.48 | Amarande | but you don't have to be logged in for crafting to progress |
| 23:37.55 | Amarande | Wobin: please insert credit card details to craft, I'm guessing? :P |
| 23:38.01 | Wobin | Amarande: nope |
| 23:38.13 | Wobin | It's actually pretty good |
| 23:38.18 | Amarande | given that Neverwinter is so blatantly pay to win that it's practically up there with King.com? :P |
| 23:38.44 | Wobin | as long as you have the mats in your inventory, you can queue up stuff to be made, or people to be hired |
| 23:38.47 | Amarande | like for the cost of a couple top tier enchants, apparently, you can buy an i7 |
| 23:39.08 | Wobin | and one of the 'abilities' is for one of your hirelings to go out and scavange for materials |
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| 23:39.34 | Wobin | I literally played the crafting game offline for a couple of months, without logging in |
| 23:39.43 | Wobin | before I got bored =P |
| 23:39.48 | Amarande | then again, pay to win is probably only the second worst thing in gaming |
| 23:39.59 | Amarande | the worst is what you get in games like Dungeon Keeper for tablets |
| 23:40.02 | Wobin | Wildstar is -fun- |
| 23:40.07 | Amarande | where you pay to ... well, get the privilege to pay some more, basically LOL |
| 23:40.14 | art3mis | laugh |
| 23:40.21 | Wobin | (so far) |
| 23:40.37 | Amarande | like, if I want to waste money like that, my local grocery store sells scratch tickets :P |
| 23:40.38 | Mr_Rabies | is EQ next keeping the building mechanic that's in landmark? |
| 23:40.38 | art3mis | all games are super fun til you hit max level |
| 23:40.50 | art3mis | i really like the levels between 1-30 in most games |
| 23:40.56 | Wobin | Mr_Rabies: I'd hope so, they seem to be banking a lot on it |
| 23:40.56 | art3mis | after that its just sooo tedious |
| 23:41.30 | Wobin | I'm unsure as to how the telegraph mechanics will work in large scale groups |
| 23:41.56 | Amarande | I've heard mixed thoughts on TESO |
| 23:42.08 | Neffi | art3mis: I feel 1-30 in WoW is tedious, and then it picks up in fun after that |
| 23:42.08 | Amarande | On the one hand, it's Elder Scrolls. It's Elder Scrolls that you can play with your buddies. |
| 23:42.22 | Neffi | It's TES lore, sure |
| 23:42.33 | Amarande | On the other hand, I'm hearing the content is kind of meh and that the monetisation structure is overly greedy. |
| 23:42.34 | Neffi | The combat is.. you could say TES-esque |
| 23:42.43 | Neffi | But it's very unpolished |
| 23:42.52 | Neffi | A lot of things just dont seem thought out |
| 23:42.55 | Amarande | And considering that you're talking to someone who regularly plays LOTRO and SW:TOR, if I agree the monetisation structure in a game is greedy ... it's probably greedy! heh |
| 23:43.07 | Neffi | The monetization structure is the same as WoW |
| 23:43.08 | Mr_Rabies | EQ next seems like it's gonna own, but the one wild card in there is Dave Georgeson |
| 23:43.09 | art3mis | sorta depends on play style i guess... i dislike needing people to complete things ;) |
| 23:43.18 | Neffi | People just expect YET ANOTHER shitty f2p mess |
| 23:43.23 | Mr_Rabies | who has a history of randomly taking a project on a nosedive right at the end of beta |
| 23:43.30 | Amarande | Neffi: From what I've heard, it's planning to be subscription AND have what was described as "DLC" |
| 23:43.39 | Neffi | Expansions, yes |
| 23:43.43 | Neffi | Like I said, same as WoW |
| 23:43.51 | Amarande | ah, just full expacks, then? |
| 23:44.03 | art3mis | yeah its hard to explain... it's got the sme sort of feel as elder scrolls. drops are alright the quests are super meh.... nothing really exciting i really do mis thinky puzzles in rpgs |
| 23:44.10 | Amarande | the impression I got was that it would be kind of like the zone by zone quest pack purchase system that LOTRO has |
| 23:44.12 | Neffi | They add new content and unlock parts of the map. So exactly what WoW's xpacs do |
| 23:45.00 | Wobin | tbh, I haven't head a single -thing- about EQN aside from the Landmark stuff |
| 23:45.02 | Amarande | except that unlike LOTRO, where subscribing gets you full access to basically all the zones that aren't specifically part of an expansion pack (which everyone has to pay for), and the zone by zone quest packs are just to have access to them as a Premium player |
| 23:45.17 | Neffi | They have a lot of content they can section off into expansions |
| 23:45.21 | Amarande | the rumour I heard about TESO was that you had to subscribe AND you had to pay a la carte for the content you wanted to access |
| 23:45.32 | Neffi | Don't forget Tamriel is big, but it's not the only continent on Nirn. |
| 23:45.56 | Neffi | And Nirn isn't the only planet in Mundus. And Mundus isn't the only plane of existence. |
| 23:46.20 | Amarande | Neffi: on top of that, each faction in Elder Scrolls is usually practically as full of quest content as an entire separate game |
| 23:46.23 | Amarande | at least that was the case in Morrowind |
| 23:46.41 | Amarande | hell. I got my money's worth of time out of Morrowind and I *barely even touched the so called Main Quest* |
| 23:46.42 | Neffi | I had problems getting Morrowind to work so I dunno |
| 23:47.01 | Amarande | I considered it, but by that point ... meh |
| 23:47.10 | Neffi | Factions in Skyrim were a good concept. Each had its own lengthy storyline plus side missions that build up the atmosphere and capability of the faction |
| 23:47.17 | Wobin | haha |
| 23:47.30 | Amarande | Basically, I had done the Fighters Guild, Mages Guild, Tribunal Temple, and House Hlaalu quest lines, and by that point I was level 55 and basically A GOD AM I |
| 23:47.32 | Wobin | Everyone forgets that the ESO universe is a science fiction one =P |
| 23:47.47 | Amarande | Hell, I probably would have easily overpowered Vivec, so yeah, I probably would have qualified as a god |
| 23:47.48 | Neffi | TES is fantasy |
| 23:47.49 | Wobin | er TES |
| 23:48.21 | Amarande | Probably wouldn't even have needed the silly safety glove to handle the doom of Dagoth Ur, either LOL |
| 23:48.25 | Neffi | TES is probably on the harder side of fantasy, but calling it sci-fi is not right. Most 'sci-fi' isn't sci-fi, just hard-ish fantasy |
| 23:48.37 | Amarande | With 500+ HP, I'm sure I could just use Sunder and Keening for the required time without protection :) |
| 23:48.46 | Wobin | Neffi: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y_aITqJFRI3AW-dROPfKKyrA5fu0Hpppcf_kKd19Da4/edit |
| 23:49.04 | Wobin | Anything with spaceships is pretty scifi |
| 23:49.10 | Neffi | Wobin: Featuring space doesn't automatically make it scifi. |
| 23:49.14 | Neffi | BIG PET PEEVE |
| 23:49.24 | Amarande | Part of it was that *very* early on I came into possession of a DDK, and once I gave that the biggest possible game breaker enchant, that was that :) |
| 23:49.27 | Neffi | That's like calling Star Wars sci-fi, which people need to stop doing |
| 23:49.40 | Amarande | I think the only enemy who might have given me any serious trouble at that point was that uber-lucky guy in Tribunal, if I had tried fighting him |
| 23:49.53 | Wobin | Neffi: Why is fantasy and scifi mutually exclusive? |
| 23:50.10 | Neffi | Not mutually exclusive |
| 23:50.11 | Amarande | Neffi: it's space opera, which isn't to say it's not scifi |
| 23:50.15 | Amarande | it's not *hard* sci-fi, certainly |
| 23:50.18 | Neffi | The sci-fi themes in Star Wars are extremely weak |
| 23:50.21 | Wobin | And how is star wars not scifi? |
| 23:50.24 | Neffi | It's primarily a fantasy |
| 23:50.33 | Wobin | Your definition of fantasy is broad |
| 23:50.41 | Wobin | thus everything non-fiction is fantasy |
| 23:50.43 | Neffi | Anyway I don't care |
| 23:50.45 | nebula169 | advanced technology in a futuristic setting, how is that not sci fi |
| 23:50.56 | Wobin | nebula169: It's a long time ago =P |
| 23:50.59 | TC-Work | It's more or less, If it could happen it's sci-fi, if it can't, fantasy. |
| 23:51.10 | nebula169 | Wobin: damit. lol |
| 23:51.12 | Wobin | TC-Work: I disagree =P |
| 23:51.15 | Neffi | Leveraging "it's magic" to explain much of the core premise of almost every thing to do with the plot makes it more fantasy |
| 23:51.27 | Wobin | Clarke's Law |
| 23:51.27 | TC-Work | Wobin: Not my definition of it. |
| 23:51.51 | Wobin | Haha, midichlorians =P |
| 23:51.58 | Neffi | Also TES doesn't have an extensive space setting. Mundus is a tiny realm |
| 23:52.00 | Wobin | (I hate that one) |
| 23:52.20 | Neffi | Last I checked you can count the number of planets in Mundus on two hands |
| 23:53.13 | Wobin | Size of a universe doesn't preclude whether or not it's scifi |
| 23:53.27 | Wobin | "I'm sorry, your solar system is too small to count as being SCIENCE" |
| 23:53.29 | Neffi | The scientific infrastructure of its plot does |
| 23:54.05 | Neffi | A space or futuristic setting doesn't make something sci-fi. By that definition, today's sci-fi is next year's archaic fantasy |
| 23:54.30 | Amarande | Gold can no longer be traded. WTF Blizz? |
| 23:54.42 | Neffi | I think it's more useful to examine how it goes to explaining its universe, as in actually using *science* |
| 23:54.54 | Wobin | I'm sorry, Neffi, as soon as lore extends past the planetary barrier with space faring races and ships, it translates the world into a scifi setting, with the definition of 'magic' merely being an interpretation of physical forces |
| 23:54.56 | TC-Work | Science changes |
| 23:55.16 | Amarande | I didn't hear about THIS one before |
| 23:55.16 | Neffi | TC-Work: I was just about to justify that. A scientific basis that's internally consistent is what matters. Not one that agrees with OUR universe. |
| 23:55.36 | Wobin | yeah, I agree with that |
| 23:55.51 | Wobin | It doesn't have to skew to -our- rules, just rules |
| 23:56.06 | Wobin | alternate universes, etc etc |
| 23:56.12 | TC-Work | Then there is no difference between them except as is personally defined. |
| 23:56.14 | Neffi | Wobin: I like the idea of magic as an interpretation of physical phenomena. But to classify as science, it has to have internal consistency and logic. There must be some scientific infrastructure behind the scenes to explain it. |
| 23:56.41 | Wobin | Neffi: Infrastructure that may be beyond our narrow focussed interpretation of it |
| 23:56.55 | Wobin | since we're essentially viewing the universe through a 'people' |
| 23:56.58 | Neffi | Just saying "it's magic", then later going "oh no it's science" doesn't make it sci-fi, or make it good |
| 23:57.06 | Wobin | I never said it made it -good- |
| 23:57.07 | Wobin | =P |
| 23:57.08 | Neffi | See: Hollywood's use of the word "science" |
| 23:57.35 | Neffi | Wobin: A good story should limit how much of the infrastructure it tells us, but it should HAVE that infrastructure |
| 23:57.39 | Wobin | Just that if the canon lore says "Oh hey suddenly it's science' means that it -is- science |
| 23:57.48 | Wobin | despite what the readers may say |
| 23:57.55 | Wobin | It's like Dumbledore being gay |
| 23:58.02 | Wobin | despite what the homophobes say |
| 23:58.13 | Neffi | Exactly. At that point it's a meaningless facade to try to add depth that isn't really there |
| 23:58.14 | TC-Work | iirc the book 'Pyromancer' by don callander made a decent attempt at scientifically explaining what was going on. The book is still classically defined as fantasy. |
| 23:58.28 | Neffi | And it's the examination of whether or not that depth exists that classifies its point on the spectrum |
