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01:02.49Savenportnibordoohe: I think there's a slash command you can put in a macro. /targetenemy or something like that.
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01:09.12Mr_Rabieskeep in mind it acts just like tab targeting
01:09.29Mr_Rabiesso you could just rebind that as well unless you're making a macro that's like "target nearest enemy then cast this"
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01:20.52PrimerIs there a way to never ever tab to an enemy totem?
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02:55.24Neffi<Primer> Is there a way to never ever tab to an enemy totem?    <- for PvP? there's /targetenemyplayer
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03:00.15PrimerNeffi: but that means I have to change how tab works
03:00.48KesavaPrimer: http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/smarttargeting
03:01.16PrimerKesava: perfect!
03:01.21Primerthanks
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03:06.23kullervoPrimer: when I did pvp, I had a macro to target enemy totems in priority order (highest prio last)
03:06.42PrimerI thought they made it so you couldn't do that any more
03:06.44kullervoand IIRC it had ice lance in the same macro
03:06.58kullervoyou can still target everything by exact name afaik
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03:21.14kd3|hate`netuh oh... tpp's about to hit democracy mode and they're playing with the pc
03:22.06Primerno idea what that means
03:22.41kd3twitch plays pokemon. there's been a couple of other twitch streamers encouraging their viewers to sabotage the game by releasing pokemon
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03:30.03Neffino
03:30.24NeffiIf they lose bird jesus, I'm dona
03:31.35KodiackDemocracy is boring.
03:31.56kd3not when they're at the pc and trying to release bird jesus
03:32.01Guest31132did you guys see this? http://i.imgur.com/p1NFCRQ.jpg
03:32.36Neffithey used a master ball on it?
03:32.48Neffisigh
03:32.54SavenportGuest31132: It looks like people are trying to withdraw it from the PC right now. Bets on whether they release bird jesus instead?
03:35.11KodiackIf democracy releases Bird Jesus, there will be riots in the streets
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03:38.30Guest31132Savenport: I think it's a little too hard to release
03:38.37Guest31132spamming b can act as a protection
03:38.59Guest31132iirc the withdrawal doesn't require confirmation
03:39.27NeffiGuest31132: They released over 10 pokemon last night
03:39.31Amarandeheh ... the fun of wars between online discussion sites ...
03:39.38Neffi12 actually
03:39.43Amarande"This is, incidentally, why StackOverflow bans telling people to google (a certain thing being discussed on reddit)."
03:39.43kd3it's already been called bloody sunday
03:39.56Neffiincluding Dux and Digrat
03:40.02AmarandeApparently, said why is allegedly "because the number one result is a reddit thread" heh
03:40.26SavenportI think people are getting super confused by the stream lag
03:40.42Neffihe put the UTC time in the video for that  >_>
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03:42.42Neffiwait, they didnt get zapdos back?
03:42.49Neffichrist, this has been a mess
03:43.36SavenportNo, they're trying right now in Democracy mode. It still isn't working too well.
03:44.02Kodiackoh look
03:44.04NeffiI thought amid all the chaos with releasing 12 pokemon they at least succeeded in their goal
03:44.06Kodiackwe just got our zapdos
03:44.08SavenportThey did it!
03:44.11Kodiackbut it's in democracy
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03:44.28SavenportNow lets see if they can just leave the PC
03:44.51KodiackNow let's finally get anarchy going.
03:45.31kd3holy crap. they got zapdos out
03:47.03Wimpsyhaha, didn't expect there to be a discussion about twitchplayspokemon in here
03:47.20kd3like the collective gaming community has talked about anything else the past week?
03:47.42Wimpsytrue enough, but i've not been in this IRC for at least 1½ years bar a short visit last month. :)
03:49.07Wimpsybut im glad to see it's just as offtopic as always
03:49.12AmarandeWimpsy: yeah, it's not that common for such a large percentage of links here in #wowuidev to be twitch ones
03:49.16Amarandeusually they're from reddit instead :)
03:50.19Amarandeindeed, I expect a few folks here will soon need to check in to addiction recovery programs to deal with their reddit habits, heh
03:50.43Wimpsyi should have years ago, but i can't stop looking at reddit long enough to actually call for help
03:50.58KodiackANARCHY TIME!
03:51.15Wimpsynice! democracy's for weak-willed people
03:51.41KodiackIndeed
03:51.43Wimpsywhere are they in the game now anyway, last i saw they were going to challenge sabrina
03:51.58KodiackDomeocracy is against the very nature of Lord Helix
03:52.35WimpsyOnly the blind followers of the false prophet Eevee vote for Domeocracy
03:54.31Wimpsy:( Dome claimed Kodiack
03:54.45Neffihttp://imgur.com/account/favorites/i4bHOP4  :)
03:55.11Neffilink might not work; http://imgur.com/gallery/i4bHOP4
03:55.48WimpsyI love how Red is covering his eyes
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03:56.11WimpsyIt needs to be updated now though, they have another badge!
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04:00.29pompywell Samsung's pre MWC 2014 announcement http://www.stuff.tv/galaxy-gear/mwc-2014/samsung-unveils-galaxy-gear-2-and-gear-2-neo-one-day-mwc-2014-kicks/news
04:00.39pompyeveryone wants to hear the s5 announcement though.
04:04.06A-KOnerds out over new car
04:04.49pompyhttp://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13970_7-57619358-78/mozillas-$25-firefox-os-its-real-and-it-works/ ill take it.
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04:13.34kd3files won't save if you end the program with task manager. alt+f4 is caught by wow and it should save files. but if you don't want to risk it, just hit /exit
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04:15.29Wimpsypompy: is there an ETA on the release of the mozilla phone? it could be cool to try out
04:25.10PrimerWhy is it $25?
04:25.25kd3because it's trying to be the same price as featurephones?
04:25.26PrimerSeems like they're just shooting themselves in the foot
04:25.31kd3it's not for us
04:37.18Primeryou lost me
04:37.41PrimerI thought android cost $0
04:47.32Wimpsyit's not the OS that costs $25, it's the phone
04:47.41Wimpsyor maybe you just lost me
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05:07.03PrimerThe title reads: Mozilla's $25 Firefox OS
05:07.04PrimerOS
05:07.07Primernot phone
05:08.19IrielLater on it says "Mozilla's $25 Firefox OS Smartphone" and "A Look at the $25 Firefox OS phone prototype"
05:08.42PrimerI would say that the title of the article is misleading then
05:08.47IrielYeah
05:08.49Primerto its detriment
05:08.58PrimerI kinda stopped reading at the title
05:09.02IrielThis one is better: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13970_7-57619338-78/with-firefox-os-mozilla-begins-the-$25-smartphone-push/
05:10.49Primerthing is, you can buy android phones for that much
05:11.19PrimerI recently replaced my son's phone with a $35 android
05:11.43Primerno plan, no nothing. Just bought the phone, put his AT&T simm into it, and that was all
05:16.04Arrowmastera new phone?
05:22.08Primeryes, brand new
05:22.58Primergranted, it's some crappy older phone. Not even sure what version of android it's running. But it works, has wifi, apps work, etc.
05:23.49Guest31132http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/01/30/does_watching_fox_news_make_you_less_informed.html
05:24.02Primersurely
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06:34.13bluIRCCloudCowhttp://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/11836533904
06:34.25bluIRCCloudCowA blue person posting on a UI policy related thread!
06:34.28bluIRCCloudCowbe still my heart!
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07:33.02PrimerSo I installed that addon, now no tabbing works
07:33.15Primeror perhaps it's working too well
07:33.24PrimerI can't tab these NPCs in WG
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16:48.52Cruciformernevcairiel: its entirely possible that the lady at the game stoe told me false. Never trust a sales cleark with more facial piercings than birthdays is my motto.
16:49.50nevcairielStanzilla: imho its still too early to spend money on 4K displays, but its nice to see that they are not super overpriced
16:50.03Stanzillayeah
16:50.08Stanzillawill wait anyway
16:50.14CruciformerAccording to newegg the HP monitor only has displayport and dvi-d
16:50.49nevcairielpersonally, the speakers would annoy me, since i have a full audio system anyway
16:51.04CruciformerThis one doesnt have speakers
16:51.23nevcairielthe tv Stanzilla linked
16:51.27CruciformerI do all my listening over headphones due to bad hearing
16:51.34CruciformerOh I beg your pardon.
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16:56.35Stanzillazuck keynote now
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17:16.25pompyrawr
17:18.22Stanzillahahaha
17:18.29Stanzillathe reporter in the zuck talk
17:18.33Stanzillaso good
17:19.30pompyhaha
17:20.03PrimerCruciformer: So what happened? No KSK yet :(
17:20.03pompyStanzilla: "Kirkpatrick now asks whether Globe, the provider, is really making more money."
17:20.56CruciformerPrimer: it was just approved on Curse a little while ago (and quite a few hours ago on wowinterface,com)
17:21.17PrimerWhat's to approve? It was already on curse
17:21.20Stanzillapompy: the stream is working again
17:21.24Stanzillahe's amazing
17:21.29Stanzillaalways getting zuck back on the ground
17:21.48PrimerYou, as the developer, control that. Unless that's what you meant
17:21.49CruciformerEach new file uploaded to curse seems to need approval. It's always been that way (at least for me, maybe other projects are exempt)
17:21.52AmarandePrimer: hm, I'm guessing every new version of an addon has to go through vetting?
17:22.16PrimerCruciformer: oh, my addons are hosted on curse svn. Pehraps that's why it's not that way for me
17:22.17AmarandeReminds me of why I once predicted the death of Firefox
17:22.28Cruciformerit states right there on curseforge as I upload it "Needs approval"
17:22.32Amarandealthough Microsoft not moving to embrace Metro any further than they have seems to be at least a stay of execution
17:22.32PrimerAmarande: that'd be news to me
17:23.08AmarandePrimer: this time it wouldn't be through deliberate monopolistic lockout
17:23.18Amarandethe way I predicted it happening was through loss of user confidence due to security problems
17:23.20PrimerI was referring to curse
17:23.22Amarandeah
17:23.46PrimerI think chrome will have more to do with the death of Firefox than MS at this point
17:23.54Cruciformerhttp://www.polygon.com/2013/11/12/5097994/sony-looking-at-dlna-and-mp3-support-for-ps4
17:23.58AmarandePrimer: perhaps, although sometimes Chrome even makes me want to go back to Firefox heh
17:24.12Amarandefor some reason Chrome has an unusual amount of trouble with sluggishly loading pages compared to other browsers (already checked for malware)
17:24.27Corrodias2mmh. i hope not. i really prefer Firefox for addon flexibility.
17:24.27Amarandealso the lack of arrows at the top and bottom of the scroll bars is starting to irk me
17:24.35PrimerAmarande: I use chrome for development. The reason why  went to chrome was because of Firefox's bloated as developer tools
17:24.43Primerbut now Chrome is starting to piss me off
17:24.48Amarandealso the fact that there's no dedicated bottom tool-bar like Firefox has
17:25.03Amarandeit's irritating on facebook when you're trying to type something out in a message box (which defaults to the very bottom of the fb window)
17:25.06CruciformerAmarande: I have the same issue in recent versions of Chrome. I also had the issue be even worse with teh natest nVidia drivers. I rolled back a few revs and chrome become more responsive. Go figure.
17:25.12Corrodias2Firefox needs a multi-process model or 64-bit builds for windows, and the asshats in charge of the project don't want to do it
17:25.23Amarandeand you end up mousing over something that Chrome thinks of as a link (which is like *EFFING EVERYTHING* on a facebook page :P)
17:25.35Amarandeand then you can't see wtf you are typing because the stupid hover link info covers it
17:25.50Amarandewhereas on firefox it'd go in that dedicated bar at the bottom
17:25.53CruciformerAmarande: Just download 1 thing somewhere and leave the download bar up :)
17:26.11pompyhaha this reporter interviewing zuckerberg is grilling him
17:26.26Cruciformer(You shouldnt have to of course but it does avoid that particular furstration)
17:26.39AmarandeCorrodias2: but yeah, the death of Firefox wasn't some sort of conspiracy prediction, my prediction would have been the result of users simply losing confidence in it and ceasing to use it
17:26.44Amarandebasically, it went like this
17:27.04AmarandeWhen Win8 was new, it was the general feeling of the community that Microsoft was going to go all out to promote the Modern UI
17:27.09PrimerLoss of confidence due to increased usage of chrome :)
17:27.11Amarande(which they've started to backpedal on with 8.1, apparently)
17:27.20AmarandePrimer: loss of confidence due to slower security updates ultimately
17:27.40PrimerIf anything, Firefox has a great security record
17:27.41Amarandenow, if they HAD continued on the expected path, presumably they would have eventually phased out the Desktop in favour of Modern
17:27.49Amarandeand that's where Firefox would find itself in deep doo
17:27.49Primerat least in terms of action
17:27.59Primerunlike MS
17:28.01Amarandebecause let's see, say you have Modern Firefox and Modern MSIE
17:28.02CruciformerI also hate how firefoix addons work (or dont). Since firefox comes out with an update every other nanosecond, things like the various Kaspersky plugins stop working.
17:28.05Amarandesay there's a critical security flaw in each
17:28.10CruciformerNever have that issue with Chrome or IE.
17:28.32Amarandehere's the problem: MSIE can fix and release those updates ASAP if they're really critical, because they're a first party browser so MS can put things straight up on Windows Update and don't need to go through Store vetting
17:28.38PrimerCruciformer: wait, you just admitted to using IE
17:28.59AmarandeFirefox? Presumably, they would fix their stuff ASAP also - and then you'd have to wait an unpredictable amount of time for the new build to pass MS Store approval
17:29.00CruciformerPrimer: I develop web applications of course I use it. And every other random browser out there.
17:29.15CruciformerChrome is my primary browser though.
17:29.18Amarandeduring which time you cannot update, because the build is not on the Store and you are not allowed to download Modern apps from elsewhere (unless you're Enterprise)
17:29.18PrimerCruciformer: unfortunately, I develop web applications too :(
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17:29.38PrimerCruciformer: but I delegate the IE issues :)
17:29.44AmarandeUltimately, then, I would think the effect of such a scenario would be that users would be increasingly skittish about using Firefox because of having to remain vulnerable for longer
17:29.48pompymozilla is working on the firefox OS too. for mobile
17:29.59PrimerI use Chrome for development, but Firefox for personal browsing
17:30.05Amarandewhereas they'd become increasingly warm-fuzzies about using IE because MS would be able to deliver updates in a more urgent fashion
17:30.05CruciformerIm a 1-man shop at this point in unemployed time so I delegate to myself :)
17:30.06pompyhttp://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13970_7-57619358-78/mozillas-$25-firefox-os-its-real-and-it-works/
17:30.16Amarandeso FF would die out for want of users
17:30.27Primersince I only have developer addons on Chrome, and personal browsing addons on Firefox. It makes for great segregation
17:30.41PrimerAmarande: that's bullshit though
17:30.53Primerbecause it takes them a month to get a fix right
17:31.08Primerwhereas Firefox people can whip up a security update overnight and get it out just as fast
17:31.16AmarandePrimer: yeah, it became bullshit pretty quickly, thanks if nothing else to the abject failure of Windows RT and Microsoft correspondingly backpedaling on the desktop-doomsday stuff with 8.1
17:31.26PrimerMS has never had a good track record of fixing security bugs quickly
17:31.48Primeror properly for that matter
17:32.05PrimerI know this goes back a long time but...remember teardrop?
17:32.19Primerthe IP fragmentation bug that affected pretty much every OS back in 1997?
17:32.20Amarandehm. wasn't that a kernel bug? I think I remember Linux machines getting crashed by it as well
17:32.30PrimerIt took MS 6 months to get that right
17:32.57PrimerIt was patched overnight on Linux, with one revision a month or so later to address a permutation of the exploit
17:33.03PrimerMS didn't see a fix for a month
17:33.13Amarandemind you, when it comes to security flaw triaging
17:33.16Primerleaving them exposed and having to deal with IP fragments at the border
17:33.31Primersome people had to buy special routers to keep their servers from crashing
17:33.34AmarandeI'm guessing that simple-DoS bugs ("attacker can crash the machine, but nothing more") are probably in the lower tiers of priority
17:33.48Amarandethe high priority stuff is always "attacker can steal info/take control" or "can be used for *D*DoS" I'm sure
17:33.49Primeruhmm bullshit
17:33.51CruciformerPrimer: at the time Linux had 1 million users, MS had 560 million. they had to be a tad more careful.
17:34.17PrimerI'm just saying that open source people have always been able to fix things more quickly
17:34.26Cruciformer(those were just random numbers used for the sake of argument, not based on research BTW)
17:34.33AmarandePrimer: keep in mind that simple destruction is a comparatively minor aspect of black hattery nowadays, compared to the days of yore where hackers were in love with formatting your hard drive and flashing your BIOS
17:34.50Amarandeso in terms of prioritising bugs, that probably is a pretty wise way to assess things
17:34.55CruciformerPrimer: You have entirely different attitudes to system administration in an open source environment than to an MS environment.
17:35.18Amarandenowadays it's all about stealing your money or info or using your computer to attack others
17:35.20PrimerSo company web servers that can be taken down by any script kiddie is not as high a priority...sure...<sarcasm, btw>
17:35.44Amarandejust crashing it is considered unruly-teenager bullshit by comparison, I'm sure :P
17:36.12AmarandePrimer: *compared to* company web servers that can be taken *over*, I'd hope it WOULD be a slightly lesser priority, though
17:36.30pompyStanzilla: lol "i dont think facebook should get that much credit in that"
17:36.40PrimerJust saying though. MS's track record on bug/security fixes is crap compared to the open source browsers
17:36.46Primerand in general
17:37.50AmarandePrimer: you get two bug reports. one report is that an attacker can take arbitrary control over your server software, which remains up
17:38.06Amarandethe other report is that the attacker can take down your server software, but is unable to gain any control or steal any information from doing so
17:38.12CruciformerPrimer: In general, I find that MS tends to fix security issues once. By comparison, in teh open source world there have been multiple attempts at fixes, some of which span several releases of a given product (like bind, or apache etc)
17:38.15Amarandewhich bug do you fix first, assuming you don't have the staff on hand to do both at once?
17:38.24Amarandethat's what I mean by "flaw triaging"
17:38.27pompyhell, no idea what database server software UMD was using , but they were hacked the other day and the hacker copied the 310k record db
17:38.46PrimerCruciformer: that's just low, mentioning bind :(
17:39.07CruciformerSince I was employed by ISC till a few weeks ago I felt qualified :)
17:39.21AmarandeCruciformer: keep in mind that things like BIND, sendmail, and the like suffered from a very special and unfortunate sort of problem
17:39.29PrimerCruciformer: my condolences. Or should I say, congratulations on your new job!
17:39.51Amarandenamely, that they were originally developed from the ground up in a day and age and environment where security as we know it today was much less of a concern
17:39.52Cruciformeryeah if anyone knows anyone at mozilla or canonical I am seriously in need of a job.
17:39.52Primerbut yeah, I remember having to put bind in a chroot back in the days
17:40.10Amarandeas the Internet was not really open to the general public so there was little avenue for script kiddies as we know them today
17:40.37Amarande(except maybe college, but as I've been known to say ... who would really want to have to explain to Mom and Dad that they got kicked out of MIT and wasted all their money by deciding to stupidly fuck with the computers?)
17:41.00CruciformerDoes sendmail even still exist and get used? THAT was an infinite source of security issues on any system that used it.
17:41.03Guest31132united didn't give me a free first class upgrade
17:41.05Guest31132what is this bullshit
17:41.23PrimerCruciformer: Most Linux distros stopped using it a long time ago
17:41.28nevcairieli wouldnt let you out of the cargo container shirik
17:41.38Guest31132:(
17:41.55Cruciformerthe one back in the day was wu-ftpd
17:41.58Amarandeanyway, the trouble with sendmail and bind is that, because of the much more laid-back security environment of the early 80s
17:42.07Amarandethere was plenty of time for bad security practises to get ingrained deeply into code
17:42.20CruciformerAmarande: But sendmail underwent a modern ground-up rewrite didnt it?
17:42.21PrimerThat was just innocence
17:42.31Primerwell, do did bind
17:42.35AmarandeAnd then when it was discovered that this was a problem after all, it took years to hunt down *all* the flaws and fix them
17:42.35Primerso, that is
17:43.02Amarandehell, those were the innocent old days when people still used horrors like gets() and unchecked sprintf()
17:43.17CruciformerPrimer: and until a few eeks ago it was undergoing another one, with bind10 being a complete rewrite in the most awful C++ and Python.
17:43.18PrimerOnce people learned to drop root privileges after binding ports, things got a whole lot better :)
17:43.57Primerheck, apache's master process still has to run as root
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17:44.29AmarandePrimer: well presumably it has to be able to repeatedly use port 80? (based on the dim, foggy view of apache's internals that I surmise, anyway)
17:44.55Cruciformerand port 443 for ssl, which is also priviliged
17:45.15Amarandeyeah, perhaps what is REALLY needed isn't a fix for the software only, but also for the OS
17:45.24Cruciformerspeaking of apache I am nearly done writing my very first apache module. woot.
17:45.31Amarandeas in, there should be a facility (maybe via the same mechanism as firewall rules?)
17:45.36Humbedoohdirect all your apache anger at me, plox
17:45.37PrimerI always thought that was rather arbitrary in that ports below 1024 require root
17:45.43PrimerWhy not just change that rule?
17:45.44Amarandeto allow a privileged port to be "released", i.e. allowed to be used by non-root processes
17:45.55Amarandethen even less stuff would need root
17:46.11HumbedoohCruciformer: what does your module do?
17:46.25Amarandeit would seem trivial to add such an option as an additional function for, say, the iptables interface on linux
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17:46.33AmarandeI wonder why it has not been :S
17:47.04Humbedoohsame answer to the question "why does my feet smell like butter"
17:47.05PrimerAmarande: or selinux
17:47.14Primerbut I guess most people just disable selinux
17:47.36CruciformerHumbedooh: its a FastCGI handler. Like mod_fcgid but without process management (which IMHO doesn't belong in an Apache module but instead in things like php-fpm)
17:47.45Cruciformer(or a special-purpose process manager)
17:47.48Humbedoohnifty :)
17:48.03Humbedoohoh wait
17:48.07HumbedoohI see you on teh dev list!
17:48.11Cruciformerits also the first fastcgi handler that I know of that implement's fastcgi's "FILTER" role.
17:48.15Humbedoohyou're that guy!
17:48.17CruciformerYessir
17:48.23CruciformerI am "that guy" :)
17:48.29Humbedoohwell good luck with it!
17:48.37PrimerInteresting
17:48.48Cruciformermerci beaucoup. I had to learn a fuck-tone but I think I got it right.
17:49.07PrimerOne project that I'll be tackling soon will be the use of some sort of front end to node
17:49.22CruciformerI did an almost 100% clean-room implementation. First compile only had 2 errors. I subsequently changed the way it was configured though.
17:49.22Primereveryone tells me to use nginx
17:49.29Humbedoohwhen in trouble, always steal from other modules
17:49.30Primerbut I've always loved apache
17:49.45Humbedoohuse what you're comfy with
17:50.09CruciformerHumbedooh: I did ... shamelessly. From mod_fastcgi, mod_fcgid, mod_proxy_fcgi etc, even the (not released yet) mod_authnz_fcgi thats on trunk.
17:50.21Humbedoohah, jeff's new baby
17:50.35Cruciformeralthough my mod (mod_extfcgi) does all the same stuff.
17:50.44Humbedoohdoes it handle uds? :D
17:50.54Cruciformer(but more becuase its also a responder, not just an authnz module)
17:50.56Humbedoohthe kids seem to want fpm+uds nowadays for some reason
17:50.59CruciformerWhy yes, yes it does :)
17:51.08Humbedoohthat'll be very welcome indeed
17:51.20Cruciformerfpm+uds is measurably faster than fpm+tcp
17:52.23CruciformerI dont understand this recent trend to doing everything in mod_proxy though. I am sure I am missing something but it seems ... odd.
17:52.26AmarandeI presume uds uses udp for something, rather than tcp like the other one?
17:52.48Amarandeheh. that's going to be a fun thing in the future
17:52.50CruciformerAmarande: No its just a different address - it used a filesystem path rather than an IPADDDR:port.
17:52.57HumbedoohCruciformer: mostly privilege separation behind it
17:53.02Amarandeah.
17:53.17nevcairielsounds more like using the unix socket files
17:53.29CruciformerBut that has implications, like not needing the TCP state transition shit flying back and forth
17:53.30Amarandeoh, unix directory socket or some such I'm guessing
17:53.33Humbedoohuds = unix domain socket
17:53.39Amarandeoh, right.
17:53.42Cruciformernevcairiel: uds = UNIX domain socket so yes, exactly.
17:53.45Amarandethose weird little files with "s" at the beginning in ls
17:54.02Amarandeor was it the end ... I didn't see them very often LOL
17:54.03nevcairielI always like them for local access
17:54.14HumbedoohCruciformer: you're more than welcome to donate that module when you get it done ;)
17:54.26AmarandeYeah I should have figured it wouldn't use UDP. UDP is almost a doomed protocol now, if you really think about it LOL
17:54.40Cruciformernevcairiel: Me too. Its also a good security thing to ensure that no-one external to the box can exploit something in your fastcgi processor.
17:54.41Humbedoohdid someone say udp? we may never know...
17:54.50Amarandeat least unless we can expect server operators the world over to get their crap together, which is possibly too much to expect :(
17:54.58nevcairieludp has quite clear use-cases
17:55.09CruciformerHumbedooh: that is my exact intnetion which is why I focused on 2.4 only, and have been extremely careful about coding standards compliance.
17:55.12Amarandenevcairiel: the main problem is the brutal DoS attacks of late
17:55.18HumbedoohCruciformer: awesome :)
17:55.29HumbedoohCruciformer: I'm on the project management committee btw
17:55.30Amarandenevcairiel: from what I've read about them, it sounds like UDP is questionably viable unless the client has to use at least as much bandwidth as the server's reply
17:55.41CruciformerHumbedooh: Oh very cool :)
17:55.49Amarandeotherwise, amplification attacks become a serious issue
17:55.54Humbedoohand breser too IIRC
17:55.55CruciformerI must say I really like the apache dev mailing list. people are so sensible there.
17:56.06Guest31132so
17:56.13Guest31132somebody got the lowest possible score in super mario, 500 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4kvT0dywaF8
17:56.15Humbedoohyeah, dev@ is way way better than #httpd ;)
17:56.22Amarandeand given that we don't normally have synchronous upload/download bandwidth on your average client link, not to mention no net neutrality and the likely tougher caps therefrom? :)
17:56.53CruciformerI have one complaint tho. The separation between @dev and @modules-dev or whatever its called. The latter frequently doesnt have the big guns like Jeff on them.
17:57.14Humbedoohyeah, modules-dev@ is sort of dead
17:57.24Humbedoohmostly because it's a massive spam fest behind the curtains
17:57.43HumbedoohI own that ML, and the spam is ridonkulous
17:57.51CruciformerAnd yet when I asked modules related questions on dev@ I was redirected there. Something to consider changing it - its extremely low volume and really doesn't seem to warrant a different list.
17:58.06Humbedoohpft, just ask on dev@
17:58.32Amarandenev: so basically, that's what one worries about about UDP ... practically the whole end user network infrastructure (and it works fine with TCP of course) is designed based on the notion that the client uses much less bandwidth than the server
17:58.40Cruciformerbefore I go eat I have 1 quick question since I have your attention.
17:58.44Humbedoohsure
17:59.03Amarandehowever, how can UDP work with such a notion, when it looks like every sent packet basically has to waste bandwidth to be at least as large as the reply, in order to avoid its use as an amplification attack vector? :|
17:59.08CruciformerIve come across a few minor cleanups that I posted patches for but they never seem to get reacted to. Will that always be the case if I dont back it with a ticket?
17:59.32Humbedoohif you don't back it up with a bugzilla, you risk it just being forgotten, yes
17:59.57AmarandeCruciformer: it's generally a good idea to draw formal attention to a submission to a large project :)
18:00.02CruciformerOk I'll go through my sent folder and create bugzillas for the few little things Ive found on trunk
18:00.03HumbedoohCruciformer: I think Eric (the VP) checks most new tickets these days
18:00.24Amarandeit's like submitting unsolicited manuscripts if you don't, pretty much heh
18:00.33Humbedoohand if you feel ignored, feel free to ping me about it, and I'll inquire
18:00.47CruciformerAmarande: it's project dependent. GCC for example reacts quite well to small one-line patches without needing a bug entry.
18:01.35CruciformerI never take being ignored personally its a big project with few people and I figure folks are working as hard as they can. My few patches have been very minor - just re-ordering stuff so you dont do computes before checks etc.
18:02.01Humbedoohlet me rephrase it; if you submit enough patches through tickets, we'll get tired of you and give you commit access :P
18:02.10Amarandewait, gcc accepts outside contributions at all? heh
18:02.13Cruciformerlol ok that works :)
18:02.14Humbedoohemails are easier to ignore
18:02.23AmarandeI thought I remembered hearing that GNU tended to control things like gcc and emacs with an iron fist :)
18:02.45CruciformerAmarande: emacs yes becuase it's RMS's baby but gcc is more pragmatic.
18:02.56pompyhttp://www.dorkly.com/embed/59617/olympics-speed-skating-meets-mario-kart
18:03.13CruciformerI shall return in about 30 gotta go eat and play backgammon
18:03.23Humbedoohdon't eat the game pieces!
18:03.31Amarandedon't get backgammoned, either :)
18:03.35CruciformerWe play with pringles so its ok lol
18:03.40Humbedoohooo
18:03.55Amarandeheh, ever notice how many games are named for something that really *sucks* to have happen in them?
18:04.22Amarandelike, getting backgammoned, which is pretty much the board game equivalent in humiliation to being killed and teabagged in an FPS
18:04.35Amarandeor baccarat, which is a zero hand :)
18:05.14Amarandeor euchre, which is what you don't want to have happen to you
18:05.22StanzillaWTF moment of the day: http://developer.nokia.com/resources/library/nokia-x-ui/ux-checklist.html
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18:16.29Guest31132why is this wtf moment?
18:19.35Guest31132OH GOD
18:19.37Guest31132DID THEY DROP THE HELIX?
18:19.52Fiskerhey Guest31132
18:19.53Fiskerstop
18:19.53LopeppeppyUm... why, was it fragile?
18:20.03Guest31132hey Fisker
18:20.06Guest31132hammer time?
18:20.08Fiskernope
18:20.30LopeppeppyI feel like I should be asking "paper or plastic" after that.
18:20.42Amarandeheh, "the helix" sounds like it should be the name for a data storage system based on DNA
18:20.55FiskerI'm bored Lopeppeppy
18:21.10Amarandespeaking of which, if that's possible, we're talking absolute wonder of the modern world status when it's created
18:21.50Amarandethe data density of DNA is absolutely unreal compared to all current and probably all even currently *imagined* data storage systems
18:21.51fewyntwitch is still playing pokemon?
18:22.03Amarandefewyn: well pokemon never actually ENDS, sooo ... heh
18:22.35Amarandealthough I suppose all there is left to do eventually is see how well given sets do against the elite four
18:22.52Amarandebut hey, same with WoW, eventually there's not much left to do than see how epically you can kick Garrosh's bum this time
18:22.59LopeppeppyFisker, watch The Knights of Badassdom if you can get your paws on it.  Hilarity.
18:23.16FiskerI could get my paws on it
18:24.07LopeppeppyI stayed up late last night and it was excellent. Also recommended, "Tucker and Dale vs. Evil"
18:24.27Arrowmastersaw it the other day, and it was great
18:24.38LopeppeppyAnd by these movies shall you know my horrible taste in entertainment. I also think that the new Pompeii flick is going to be hysterical.
18:34.27nicoli_sLopeppeppy: im glad knights was funny, i was on the fence about it after i read some bad reviews
18:34.54nicoli_si watched this pretty hilarious comedy over the weekend called the Mystery Team that was pretty damn funny
18:36.04LopeppeppyOh, don't get me wrong, it's totally a horrible hilarious B movie, nicoli_s.  It's an indy movie that doesn't take itself completely seriously.  I also  like Sharknado. I love Megashark vs. Giant Octopus.
18:36.45AmarandeGiant Octopus ... that's one thing I'm glad I'm not dealing with this build :D
18:39.24DagmarI think you mistake lack-of-ability for levity
18:39.25Cruciformerback
18:40.23AmarandeDagmar: heh, sometimes it's not always easy to tell between comedy and stuff that was meant to be serious but fell flat on its face
18:40.29Amarandesometimes it doesn't really matter, laughter is laughter :)
18:40.43Amarandethere's a reason things like Plan 9 from Outer Space have followings after all
18:40.51CruciformerAmarande: case in point: plan 9 from outter pace :)
18:41.07Cruciformer*space
18:41.18AmarandeAright, it is now time to assemble the gaming rig
18:41.27AmarandeBack in a few hours, if nothing goes wrong
18:41.58CruciformerI almost, but not quite, entirely miss the days of assembling my own rigs, Now I just buy HP workstations :)
18:42.42CruciformerMy rig: keanjohnston.com/pc
18:43.07Cruciformer(A little out of date but its got the highlights)
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18:43.46Amarandehttp://pcpartpicker.com/p/2Y5G3 <-- this about to be built rig's hardware specs
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18:45.00CruciformerSuggestion: git a bigger power supply, you wont be sorry.
18:45.19PrimerI just put an nvidia 770 into my machine and I'm loving it
18:45.27CruciformerIt gives you the headroom to update to a dual-card video card or whatever in the future
18:45.30Primermy 3 year old i7 at that
18:45.33Amarandethought about it, noticed that I don't use close to 650W with this spec, and doubt I'll be SLIing
18:45.39Primerbut with a new MB with PCIe 3.0
18:45.55Amarandepretty much I promised my fiancee no more upgrades for about 5 years now unless something dies
18:45.57Primerso it's still a Sandy Bridge
18:46.12Amarandewe've got the wedding and move to save for after this, so it had to be good
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18:46.29PrimerAmarande: heh, I have to run all my purchases by my CFO
18:46.32PrimerAKA wife
18:46.38Cruciformeryet another reason why I never proposed to anyone :) hardware > vagina
18:47.14PrimerI've been married for 17 years
18:47.36Cruciformerwow grats ... dont often hear of long-term marriages these days.
18:47.57Cruciformer(and I mean the grats sincerely)
18:48.07Primerthanks
18:48.18nicoli_si hit 3 years of marriage this year
18:48.19Primeryeah, many of my friends are divorced or on their ways
18:48.27nicoli_sand 9 years of being together
18:48.35Amarandebleh why is my grounding mat so damn dusty
18:48.56CruciformerAmarande: lak of needing to upgrades for 5 years at a stretch :)
18:48.56Primerfor me it's about 21 years of being together
18:49.00Primerso yes, I'm old  :(
18:49.25Cruciformerold is a state of mind unless your health fails you
18:49.33Primeragreed
18:49.39PrimerI still troll kids in /2 :)
18:50.49LopeppeppyI find that my parts are much nicer than hardware, Cruciformer.
18:51.20CruciformerLop: Oh as a concept I agree totally. I am a huge fan :)
18:51.24PrimerAGREED THERE TOO!
18:51.37PrimerI'm a big fan of vagina
18:51.48CruciformerBut I prefer being able to buy hardware than maintain a relationship was my actual point
18:51.52LopeppeppyThen your problem is simply that you need to take the project from concept to reality. From whiteboard to motherboard, as it were.
18:52.03Cruciformerlol Lopeppeppy
18:52.37CruciformerThis will probably make conservative Americans cringe but I am a big fan of pre-paid services versus contract. It's cheaper in the long run.
18:53.58Cruciformer(sad truth is Ive been a bachelor too long and am too set in my ways. I think I m un-live-withable)
18:54.14LopeppeppyNothing wrong with a cleanly written short term contract either.
18:55.45CruciformerLopeppeppy: I havent had good experience with that. It always seems to turn out that one or the other of the parties wants the term to be longer (or shorter). Very hard to both be on exactly the same page.
18:56.16Lopeppeppy"clearly written" - but it does take two adults to make it work, and those are actually extremely rare on the ground, believe it or not.
18:56.29CruciformerOh I believe it.
18:57.30Amarandehmmmm top mounted PSU, haven't had a case like that in a while
18:57.30CruciformerI only ever managed to align perfectly on that score once. We both wanted the exact same things for the exact same duration. It was very comfortable.
18:57.49CruciformerAmarande: Popular on bigger rigs for cooling.
18:59.02CruciformerI <3 serverbeach.com. Truly excelent customer support and they're all geeks. I dont get idiots saying "click on the start bar" when its clear I have a linux system :)
18:59.48Cruciformer<PROTECTED>
19:00.23PrimerDo they then presume you use Gnome? :)
19:00.29PrimerClick on the foot...
19:00.38PrimerTo this day I still use openbox
19:00.44PrimerI have no bar!
19:00.50CruciformerNo they presume that since I am calling from south africa for a server in virginia that I am using ssh and know what "ls" does :)
19:01.43CruciformerI so dont care about desktops. they are simply a means to an xterm end
19:02.13Primerhear hear
19:02.45PrimerPeople are usually surprised when they see my machine with its 20-30 terminals running
19:03.18CruciformerAt one stage I was fascinated by the direction enlightenment was headed - they were truly innovative, but teh code was the *worst* code - aside from the Gradient Technologies iFor licensing code - that I have ever seen.
19:03.41PrimerI met Rasterman at LWCE 1998 :)
19:03.50PrimerHe was a dork
19:03.52CruciformerI understand they're attempting to do a better job with enlightenement now with ecore and evas and all that shit but I dont know if they have lost the plot or not.
19:04.03CruciformerSeems like they are focusing on the libraries and not the wm
19:04.19CruciformerI met him once too and was underwhelmed
19:04.23PrimerI ran E for a very long time
19:04.39Primerbut the bloat got to me
19:04.57CruciformerE crashed on me but I was running SCO UNIX at the time (before they were the black sheep of the industry) and its X server had issues.
19:04.59PrimerI switched to openbox and have been with it ever since
19:05.05CruciformerSo I become a windowmaker user.
19:05.14Primeryeah, I tried that once
19:05.21PrimerI don't like the whole dock thing
19:05.38CruciformerLike I said it was a means to an xterm end and for that it sufficied
19:05.52Cruciformerand I could use Alt-Fx without there being special means attached to Alt-F4
19:06.04Cruciformer*meaning
19:06.53CruciformerI gew up on Xenix multiscreens so Alt-Fx is one of my strongest muscle memmories, right after mis-typing "teh" all the time.
19:07.32CruciformerPrimer: did you ever meet RMS?
19:07.56CruciformerI got into a seriously heated argument with him one usenix :)
19:08.05PrimerNo, but I was at a conference here in LA yesterday that had an RMS booth!
19:08.17Cruciformerlol really? with him in it?
19:08.25PrimerThere was a picture of him there, and I said to the booth dude "I want to meet RMS!"
19:08.28Primerbut he wasn't there
19:08.39PrimerI can't recall the name of the booth
19:08.42Cruciformerhe's a nutter of note
19:08.53Primerprobably GNU
19:08.56Cruciformerdidnt take kindly to being called a software communist
19:09.03Primerbut it had a big picture of him
19:09.12Primerwell, the truth hurts
19:09.38PrimerI've always been a bigger fan of BSD style licenses
19:09.51Cruciformerand he REALLY hated it when I argued: "The GPL isnt about free software, its about a free software agenda. MIT/BSD is about free software"
19:10.10CruciformerHe was frothing :)
19:10.49PrimerI saw his keynote at LWCE 1998
19:10.53Primerit was hilarious
19:11.04CruciformerAh I remember that UseNix with fondness. It was in New Orleans. Hot as hell but a fun place to be (just not in August)
19:11.11PrimerHe kept going on and on about GNU this, GNU that, Linux isn't Linux without GNU
19:11.19Primermeanwhile Linus's kids were on the stage playing
19:11.23Primerand everyone was laughing
19:11.26CruciformerHilarious as ing enuinely funny or hillarious that he was so whacked out?
19:11.29Primerand he was pisssssed
19:11.39Stanzillahey guys
19:11.45CruciformerHey Stan
19:11.47Stanzillaso the samsung keynote is still music only
19:11.55Humbedoohonly good thing about RMS is his songs
19:11.57Stanzillahere's what they will talk about in 10 hours or so http://www.samsungmobilepress.com/2014/02/25/GALAXY-S5
19:12.01CruciformerLast minute crash of the demo S5? :-)
19:12.08Stanzillaalso this http://www.samsungmobilepress.com/2014/02/25/Gear-Fit
19:13.10CruciformerDo u know the highlights of S5 vs S4? Is it a big change or just a slightly bigger screen?
19:13.25nevcairielthe specs are on the page Stanzilla linked, go compare
19:13.29Cruciformer(I dont care about kitkat)
19:13.41Stanzillafingerprint scanner is ok but I heard the one they built in is scrap
19:13.46Stanzillaall the other changes are software only
19:13.47pompyin 10 hours? you mean right now
19:13.59Stanzillaapart from it having some stamp that says you can dunk it in water
19:14.20Stanzillaand usb3
19:14.54CruciformerI see no reason to upgrade
19:15.01Stanzillayeah
19:15.03Cruciformer(for my personal usage)
19:16.06CruciformerI'll be intersted to see if the iPhone 6 makes any big leaps or if it will just also be relatively small incremental improvements.
19:16.22CruciformerBecause if it does that will give me more hope for the S6.
19:16.41nevcairieljudging from the past couple phones, nothing big going to happen
19:16.56Cruciformernevcairiel: I fear you are correct good sir
19:16.57Humbedoohless bezel, more screen on the iphone, hopefully
19:17.06DagmarThe price will go up by $50-$100
19:17.26Stanzillas5 = pretty expensive plastic brick
19:17.47DagmarStanzilla: Still has a better screen than an iPhone
19:17.48Dagmar;)
19:17.58Cruciformerand a better camera :)
19:18.08pompyStanzilla such a hater
19:18.14Humbedoohand the comfort knowing that Stanzilla isn't using it
19:18.23DagmarI'm somewhat disappointed with Cyanogenmod right now.  They took out ghetto HDR mode
19:18.52DagmarIt was tedious to hold the phone perfectly still for that long, but it did work
19:19.01Stanzillaaaaalll the hate :D
19:19.02CruciformerI understood each word of the sentence Dagmar but not the way they were strung together
19:19.29DagmarCruciformer: HDR cameras take a bunch of shots with different exposure lengths, and then piece the best parts of each image together
19:19.36CruciformerI am also battling to pronounce Cyanogenmod in my head!
19:19.50DagmarCruciformer: Someone hacked that functionality into the camera app that was shipping with the CyanogenMod release of Android.
19:20.12DagmarIt took about five seconds to snap the pictures, but if you could hold the thing still enough it did the trick
19:20.13Cruciformerah gotcha
19:20.23DagmarHence, ghetto HDR.
19:20.30CruciformerMerci :)
19:20.57DagmarNow I have to go back to taking pictures of ice cream with half my kitchen counter in shadow. :/
19:21.20Cruciformerooooh ice cream. I could do with one right now.
19:21.33DagmarLast night I tried 'Scotchy Scotch Scotch'
19:21.48Cruciformerlemme guess ... butterscotch and whiskey?
19:21.59Humbedoohmmm
19:22.05Humbedoohbooze and butter
19:22.11DagmarMainly butterscotch ice cream with butterscotch sprinkles and butterscotch syrup swirls
19:22.22DagmarVery little scotch flavor
19:22.28Dagmar...which is fine by me.
19:22.45DagmarThe name is a Ron Weatherman joke
19:22.47HumbedoohI feel like having a small whisky now :/
19:22.51Dagmarer Anchorman, or sommething
19:23.21Stanzillamister JK shin should do some english learning before he does his next keynote
19:23.44Humbedoohimpossibru
19:24.39StanzillaGALLAKS ESSFEIV
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19:24.55Cruciformerwhat night does the following screen in the US?
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19:26.14Amarandehmm guess it's time to shut this PC down
19:26.17Cruciformermy fave joke of last year: "20 years ago we had Johnny Cash, Steve Jobs and Bobe Hope. Now we have no cash, no jobs and no hope. Please don't let Kevin Bacon die."
19:26.28Amarandeapparently the installation instructions on this case manual mean I need the SSD at this point heh
19:26.30Amarandelaters :)
19:27.51Cruciformerwell poop no icecream in teh freezer have to settle for an ice lolly
19:27.58Cruciformerwhich is welcome this warm evening
19:28.45Stanzillawhat kind of accent is that
19:28.50pompyfrench
19:28.50Stanzillasounds like french + weirdo
19:28.51pompy?
19:29.05pompyfrench is weirdo tho?
19:29.07Cruciformeryou N FRENHC IS EVER != WEIRDO?
19:29.08pompy**hides**
19:29.14CruciformerSorry caps
19:29.20pompylol
19:29.25Stanzillayeah makes it double weirdo
19:29.25Cruciformerpompy: same page you and I :)
19:29.29pompyhaha indeed
19:30.40karl_w_wpotato salad made with garlic aioli instead of mayo = godlike
19:30.43Stanzillaörben
19:31.08Cruciformerpotato salad made with ranch dressing instead of mayo = godlike
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19:31.20karl_w_wnope
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19:31.25Stanzillahow the fuck is this "perforation design" unique
19:31.29CruciformerI SOOOOO miss hidden valley ranch dressing. they have only just started selling ranch dressing here and it sucks.
19:31.30karl_w_wranch = not good
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19:31.48Cruciformerkarl_w_w: *gasp* how you figure?
19:31.58Cruciformerranch with pizza or fries = orgasmic
19:32.48karl_w_wjust nope
19:32.57Cruciformerranch dressing, directv and in n out burger are the only 3 things I really miss about the USA. Oh and affordable bandiwdth.
19:33.19Stanzillawhere are you now
19:33.21karl_w_wranch ruins everything :P
19:33.24Cruciformermy 10/10mbs fiber is costing me nearly $1100/mo
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19:33.33CruciformerStanzilla: South Africa
19:33.40Stanzillawhy?
19:33.46karl_w_wranch doesnt taste bad, it just doesnt improve anything
19:33.49CruciformerI was born and rised here
19:33.57Cruciformerraised
19:34.08pompy2800mah battery
19:34.16Humbedoohwha? $1100???
19:34.19CruciformerI emmigrated to the USA for 12 years but came back when I left google.
19:34.25Humbedoohhow much is a SA dollar?
19:34.58karl_w_w$1 :P
19:34.59CruciformerHumbedooh: Yeah for 10/10 ... I am far from teh exchange so my adsl sucks (3M/512K and it craps out every time theres a cloud in the sky)
19:35.12Humbedoohor rand or whatevz, pfffft
19:35.19Humbedoohthrows a bucket of water at karl_w_w
19:35.24Cruciformer10 south african rands = 1 dollar give or take a fluctuation or two int he exchange rate
19:35.40Humbedoohso, 11k rand?
19:35.51Cruciformeryup 11540 to be precise :)
19:35.54Humbedoohouch
19:36.14Cruciformerouch indeed. However I only go for american jobs so I get paid in USD anyway
19:36.34Primercan't you just take a direct tv system anywhere in the world where you can point the dish at a satellite?
19:36.37Cruciformerand I have no wife, no kids, no gf and only 1 pet so disposable income isnt my problem in life
19:36.42Humbedoohyeah, I'm also hoping the euro will take a dip compared to the dollar soon ;)
19:36.49Humbedoohso I can get a decent salary
19:36.58CruciformerPrimer: I dont think I can see any directv satelites from this far south
19:37.17StanzillaCruciformer: I hope your job pays well enough the 1k for internet are not a big deal :D
19:37.21PrimerCruciformer: most dishes here in the US point to the south
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19:37.27CruciformerIm not sure my lattitud eexactly but its probaly 26 or 27 degrees south of the equator
19:37.37Primerpresuming equatorial geosynchronous orbit
19:37.56Primerpeople farther to the north here get it
19:38.01Primerdon't see why you couldn't
19:38.04CruciformerStanzilla: It was till I lost it due to ISC downsizing
19:38.14DagmarUmm... That's a bit further south than they are
19:38.51CruciformerPrimer: I though the directv satelites were sort of the middle of the usa so they could cover all the way into canada, I didnt think they were equatorial
19:39.09DagmarThey're geostationary satellites
19:39.09Primermeh, wtf do I know :)
19:39.10StanzillaCruciformer: sounds sad
19:39.37CruciformerNah not sad, just another opportunity to learn and grow. sad is a state of mind I try not to subscribe to.
19:39.42PrimerI would think that the world being your customer base is better than just USA and Canada being your customer base
19:40.09CruciformerPrimer: they have all sorts of agreements with various regions NOT to broadcast into them for fear of losing local advertising revenue
19:40.48Cruciformerand the networks sell tv shows like criminal minds etc into other countries at different times, and make a good bundle of cash doing so. they wouldnt get that revenue if everyone watched it as it broadcast int eh usa.
19:40.49DagmarThe satellites are over the equatorial belt by necessity and use directional broadcasting
19:41.19CruciformerI thought you could be geosyncrhonous over any point on the earth, that the equator was just simply asier.
19:41.31Cruciformerbut that was just my guess I am no expert
19:41.48Stanzillahttp://www.engadget.com/compare/cellphones/22535+31501+74931+80677+83384/ < useful for s4 owners
19:41.56DagmarClark belt or something or other
19:42.23DagmarIf you aligned them differently you could keep them up there, but they wouldn't be geostationary so easily
19:42.54DagmarAlso, their path would intersect the paths of other satellites, which *might* create a little tension
19:43.40Dagmar"butt hurt" doesn't even being to describe it
19:43.48CruciformerWithin their altitude range they *could* use altitude to avoid that
19:44.32Cruciformerbut since the orbit at the equator is invariant, as opposed to elipsoid anywhere else, it makes sense most gs satelites would be there
19:44.36DagmarThese things basically have to come down when they run out of fuel for corrections and manuvering
19:44.57DagmarYeah hence why not so easy anywhere but at the equator
19:45.46DagmarWe had a "big dish" system when I was a pre-teen
19:45.50CruciformerI forget are gs satelites leo or high orbit?
19:45.56DagmarI had way too much free time to dork with it
19:47.08Dagmarhigh earth orbit I thougth
19:47.56DagmarKeep in mind what type of centripetal force it takes to stay up there and in one place
19:49.11Dagmaroh lol
19:49.28CruciformerBy the way the other issue with DirectTV is not so much their north/south placement, but their east-west placement and where they point
19:49.30DagmarI was just thinking "I have no idea who decided what's 'high' and what's 'low'"
19:49.48DagmarI look it up,... geosynchronous range _is_ the divider, so they're neither
19:50.07Cruciformerso from teh equator they will be positioned to point up to north america, I doubt I will see the signal from 28 degrees south, and east of the greenwhich line
19:50.47Cruciformerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirecTV_satellite_fleet
19:51.19CruciformerAll except 1 are > 90 degrees west
19:51.36DagmarThat's because they're over the US
19:51.58Cruciformeryup, so I wouldnt be able to get directv down here
19:52.06Primerthat's a bummer
19:52.11DagmarThank god for Pirate Bay
19:52.23Cruciformerpublichd.se > piratebay :)
19:54.05Cruciformeroh I see amazing race started up again. Ilike that show.
19:54.16Cruciformerit and survivor are the only relaity shows I watch
19:55.14StanzillaOH WOW
19:55.20Stanzillaa heart rate sensor right below the camera
19:55.27Stanzillaso I can put my dirty finger on the lense
19:55.53Cruciformerrule #1 of smart phones: dont use with dirty fingers
19:56.31pompyStanzilla: you arent putting ur finger on the lense, noob
19:56.58Stanzilla:D
19:58.05pompyapril 11th
19:58.09Cruciformerwell folks its been real but I am off to watch some shameless
19:58.18PrimerThanks for KSK!
19:58.21Cruciformerhave a great $TZ everyone
19:58.37CruciformerPrimer: its a great pleasure its brought me tremendous amounts of fun writing it :)
19:58.50PrimerAlthough it being broken cost me the heroic Immerseus caster trinket!
19:58.57Primerhehe
19:59.04Cruciformerouch :)
19:59.36CruciformerI blame bliz for randomly inserting things int eh middle of lists and the inconsistency with teh xrealm stuff.
20:00.01Cruciformerif only they would return a fully qualified name-server for *everything* ... not this sometimes-full sometimes-no-realm bullshit.
20:00.02Primerindeed
20:00.20CruciformerI must be honest I am pretty excited to dive into ESO development
20:01.00PrimerI'm guessing that means they've announced such things?
20:01.18PrimerI was looking forward to doing that for SW:TOR...until it never materialized
20:01.22CruciformerYes I found it publically. Its int eh topic of #esouidev
20:01.49CruciformerCairenn has a wiki thingy up with the API
20:02.24CruciformerI wonder if they will release the source to the stock UI like bliz does with framexml
20:02.46Cruciformerwhen I was learning the wow api that and wowprogramming.com were invaluable (and this channel)
20:03.44Cruciformeranway ... peace guys. play safe and nice.
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20:56.50Lona"JudgeHype identifie: Slip du féticheur fétichiste"
20:57.13LonaYou obviously didn't see that.
20:57.15Lona(wt)
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21:33.00Primerhttp://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/endofsupport.aspx even MS can't wait to kill off XP!
21:33.07Primerthey have a countdown
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21:42.14Ressylol.. We switch to Windows 7 on all systems May 2nd.
21:42.37nevcairieljust a month too late
21:42.44RessyTax season til April 30th
21:43.09Ressythings don't stop being nuts til May 1st
21:43.20Ressyeven then we'll get some late stragglers.
21:43.39nevcairielIts not l ike you didnt have like 5 years to do it :)
21:43.45Ressylol
21:44.06RessyWhen we got these computers, the options were XP or Vista.
21:44.11RessyWe're gonna wipe & put 7 on.
21:59.07Ressyholy shit.
21:59.20Ressywrong channel. >.<
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22:24.03GnarfozI hate people who only use full stops when they mean to sound serious and important
22:25.11nevcairielI hate people that use ...
22:25.29nevcairielit always makes me think there is an accusation or something in that line
22:25.32nevcairiellike
22:25.35nevcairielGnarfoz...
22:25.44Gnarfozhah
22:25.46Gnarfozyeah
22:29.55SeerahYou could be hesitating to say "I love you" after the ... ;)
22:30.50nevcairielthat doesn't happen too often, to me anyway
22:31.27Neffipoor nev
22:32.32NeffiUnless you mean you don't say it too often to others
22:32.36NeffiIn either case you need a hug
22:32.47Seerah~hug nevcairiel
22:32.47purlACTION hugs nevcairiel tightly until nevcairiel turns slightly blue
22:33.04nevcairielIf noone says it to you, you usually also don't say it that much yourself :P
22:33.16Seerahsomeone's gotta say it first! :p
22:35.04nevcairielLuckily the interpretation of the ... is easier when speaking to someone in person, instead of chatting :p
22:35.52Seerahmaybe you shouldn't always be doing something that you think you will be accused of ;)
22:36.33Neffioh my lord
22:36.40NeffiLord Helix has risen
22:51.02Semlar_neffi..
22:53.08Semlar<PROTECTED>
22:54.40Dagmarold picture is old?
22:55.03Semlarhow can you tell
22:55.38Stanzillabecause that hack was fixed
22:56.53Semlarorgrimmar doesn't look like that any more
23:08.45karl_w_wyou can also tell from the mounts and gear
23:12.40Ackisanyone used a duplicate file scanner at all?
23:15.45Neffi<32u2 Semlar
23:18.08NeffiSemlar I need to diversify my types for the elite 4. what grass pokemans shud i get?
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23:20.56NeffiCurrently rolling wif mai charizard, jolteon, kadabra and lapras. all level 50
23:23.55DagmarYou're going to need to level them higher than that
23:24.21DagmarAlso, wtf is with you having no mega evolvers
23:24.24NeffiThey're actually mid 50s and I'm not quite up to the elite 4 yet
23:24.32NeffiThis is LeafGreen
23:24.35DagmarOh wait nevermind Kadabra has a mega
23:24.36Neffino such thing as mega
23:24.36DagmarOhhh
23:24.51NeffiThey're all among the best pokemon of their respective types
23:25.04DagmarThere's a degree to which Otaku making the same goddamn game over and over and over is annoying.
23:25.10Neffiat least, as far as you can get in leafgreen without trading/cheating
23:26.09NeffiI'm thinking of rounding out my party with a grass (or grass/poison if that exists) and a fighting (or other strong physical attack)
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23:40.01AckisNeffi, Semlar: bit.ly/wowuipokemon :P
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23:51.02Neffiplaying on an emulator  =/
23:51.13TC-WorkI finally own one now

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