| 00:17.07 | Amarande | znf: I think you're gonna need a bigger boat :) |
| 00:17.38 | znf | also, TIL that CentOS doesn't mount /tmp on /dev/shm |
| 00:17.48 | znf | or, well, you know what I mean |
| 00:18.18 | znf | or, someone was stupid enough to create a partition for /tmp when he installed this server... |
| 00:18.58 | Amarande | znf: back in the day, you did have to create a partition for /tmp |
| 00:19.09 | znf | in 1995! |
| 00:19.13 | Amarande | at least most sane installations did |
| 00:19.20 | Amarande | I'm foggy on exactly when tmpfs became a thing |
| 00:20.35 | znf | biggest question is why my disk cache for wordpress reached 3.7GB |
| 00:23.55 | znf | let's do something stupid! store the "disk" cache on /dev/shm; let's see if that blows up on us |
| 00:26.34 | Iriel | Amarande: it's more when /tmpfs became stable and folks had sufficient RAM to get away with it I think, SunOS had non-disk tmp before linux existed. |
| 00:49.05 | kd3 | wtf ...who pulls a drive-by on a fire station? |
| 00:49.11 | kd3 | http://www.blueridgenow.com/article/20140214/ARTICLES/140219913/0/living05 |
| 00:49.34 | Ycarene | 60 Hour Work weeks aren't so bad. |
| 00:56.41 | Stanzilla | http://blog.agilebits.com/2014/02/15/1password-for-mac-tips-how-to-update-your-passwords/ that is cool |
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| 01:00.10 | Stanzilla | for every sublime user: https://plus.google.com/+IlyaGrigorik/posts/C9jY5st33xk |
| 01:16.28 | znf | that sublime thingie looks interesting |
| 01:37.47 | DJJeff | lol general chat on A52 horde said I should get hit by a bus |
| 01:37.49 | DJJeff | http://i.imgur.com/ftXmgKz.jpg |
| 01:39.14 | Semlar | any particular reason you're doing this |
| 01:39.28 | DJJeff | for the lols? |
| 01:39.31 | Iriel | DJJeff: to be honest that seems pretty childish (what you're doing, not their reaction) |
| 01:39.52 | Iriel | it was probably funny the first time, after that it's not really. |
| 01:41.25 | DJJeff | makes me rage that A52 has 250 horde on timeless isle and 80 people who use that addon |
| 01:41.45 | DJJeff | on my realm fizzcrank there is like 30 people on timeless isle and 5 people who use the addon |
| 01:42.31 | Stanzilla | DJJeff: if it's true what they say about you in the ticket you made |
| 01:42.39 | Stanzilla | you really should be :p |
| 01:42.59 | Iriel | So you don't even have the cojones to do it on the server you actually play on? That is pretty weak. |
| 01:43.06 | Neffi | A52 is where all the kiddies go because they think that's where the pros play |
| 01:43.19 | Neffi | Do you want to be counted amongst them? |
| 01:43.36 | Amarande | Neffi: I thought the pros played on Illidan :) |
| 01:43.46 | Neffi | Not really |
| 01:44.04 | Amarande | or perhaps Tich |
| 01:44.05 | DJJeff | I would rather have 80 kiddies sharing timers on my realm |
| 01:44.15 | Stanzilla | anyway, having a lvl 1 char on a server and spamming the channel an addon uses is like the most retarded thing ever |
| 01:44.15 | Neffi | Illidan used to have a good active PvP community, but it's also always been ripe with trolls. And then people flocked there because of stuff like the funeral crashing. And the amount of trolls went up exponentially. |
| 01:44.18 | Neffi | It's a terrible realm |
| 01:44.35 | Neffi | Tichondrius has a lot of trolls too, but a good amount of good players still play there |
| 01:44.58 | Amarande | well of course there's tons of trolls on Illidan, the population is like 99% Horde :) |
| 01:45.02 | Neffi | Realms like those give PvP-minded individuals a bad rep |
| 01:45.20 | Neffi | They make people associate the PvP community with the troll community |
| 01:45.56 | Neffi | Yeah, I also question the motives of people who say they love things like world PvP, and then flock to a realm that's vastly dominated by their faction |
| 01:46.12 | Neffi | At least Tichondrius is closer to 1:1 balance. Something like 1.25:1 |
| 01:48.12 | Stanzilla | DJJeff: also making each others lives harder is not what the community is about |
| 01:48.39 | Neffi | Actually Tich is still like 2.5:1 at 90, but it's been inching towards balance lately if you account for the people leveling up there |
| 01:52.37 | Semlar | ignoring somebody puts their entire account on ignore right? |
| 01:53.24 | Kesava | no |
| 01:53.31 | Semlar | no? |
| 01:53.33 | Kesava | reporting someone for spam ignores their entire account until you relog |
| 01:53.47 | Semlar | i was under the impression ignoring a character ignored their entire account |
| 01:53.51 | Kesava | nope |
| 01:54.50 | Semlar | reporting spam is protected though right |
| 01:55.05 | Kesava | i believe so, yes |
| 01:55.47 | Semlar | i guess we could settle for AddIgnore("Canadianjeff") as a bugfix |
| 01:56.14 | Semlar | you'd need a button to report him for spam |
| 01:56.17 | Kesava | couldn't it just use the addon messages api? |
| 01:56.25 | Kesava | seems silly for it to be in a channel |
| 01:56.45 | Semlar | the entire point of using a channel is because you don't know who else is running the addon |
| 01:56.45 | Kesava | not that that can't be broken |
| 01:57.01 | Semlar | therefor you don't know who to send messages to |
| 01:58.06 | Iriel | One fix would be for the add-on to figure out the level of those sending the messages, and ignore those below a threshold. |
| 01:58.23 | Iriel | while it's not a perfect fix, it makes ignore fairly effective to take care of griefers |
| 01:58.29 | Kesava | oh, right. I thought you could send those to zones for some reason.. |
| 01:59.24 | Kesava | either way, no matter what's done it can still be abused |
| 01:59.30 | Kesava | you just have to rely on people not being twats |
| 01:59.52 | Semlar | yeah if you want to be a twat go mess with OQ |
| 01:59.57 | Iriel | Well of course, but making life more difficult FOR the twats helps too |
| 02:00.01 | Kesava | or, do as the OQ author did and add global ignore lists |
| 02:00.03 | Kesava | exposed in the code |
| 02:00.14 | Kesava | yeah. |
| 02:02.53 | DJJeff | setting 1 person on ignore is not a fix |
| 02:03.04 | DJJeff | they can just create other toon and send to the channel |
| 02:03.16 | DJJeff | tested and prooven |
| 02:03.26 | Semlar | oh i wasn't saying it was a fix |
| 02:03.33 | Amarande | Neffi: well, not all that many pvp realms *do* have much of a balance between factions |
| 02:03.34 | Semlar | i just think the addon should automatically ignore you |
| 02:03.35 | DJJeff | haha only a joke? |
| 02:03.39 | Amarande | at least, of the ones that are actually active |
| 02:03.49 | Amarande | maybe some of the ones where only two people play have one horde and one alliance guy, heh |
| 02:03.54 | DJJeff | Semlar are you even using the addon? |
| 02:04.03 | DJJeff | serious question |
| 02:04.16 | Stanzilla | doesn't matter |
| 02:04.19 | Stanzilla | you are being a dick |
| 02:04.20 | Stanzilla | end of story |
| 02:04.38 | Iriel | points at what Stanzilla said. That. |
| 02:04.39 | Kesava | yup |
| 02:05.41 | DJJeff | new topic.... I wonder if wow is loosing people who play wow... just noticed all the recent realm merge |
| 02:06.47 | Ressy | subscribers went up. |
| 02:07.26 | Thunder_Child | ^ |
| 02:07.44 | Thunder_Child | Granted not by much |
| 02:07.53 | Thunder_Child | They might just be optimising server space |
| 02:08.02 | Ressy | Probably.. |
| 02:08.16 | Ressy | Implementing CRZ meant having more stable servers, and stable D3. |
| 02:08.56 | Iriel | Fewer bigger realms is easier to manage resources for and provide services to, if the infrastructure can support it. |
| 02:09.19 | Iriel | Partitions are generally inconveniences brought about by limitations. |
| 02:09.21 | DJJeff | did they add some new servers? |
| 02:09.37 | DJJeff | like new hardware recently |
| 02:10.53 | Iriel | I'd expect they roll out new hardware fairly regularly (yearly at least) |
| 02:12.52 | Amarande | DJJeff, people are more inclined than in the past apparently to pile onto the largest population servers |
| 02:14.35 | Amarande | hell, even I finally rolled on Illidan last time I played heh |
| 02:15.09 | Amarande | The problem is it's patently impossible to have the "right" number of servers in an MMO |
| 02:15.14 | DJJeff | I love how when you create a level 1 toon |
| 02:15.22 | DJJeff | you get like 6000 guild invite spams |
| 02:15.39 | DJJeff | now thats an addon I would love to mess with hahahahaha |
| 02:15.40 | Ressy | you can turn that off. |
| 02:15.52 | Amarande | If you launch the game with the number of servers that you think is suitably sustainable long term? |
| 02:16.39 | Amarande | Then you get backlash from users because for the first couple weeks or so it's practically a lottery as to whether you're able to log on at any given moment (like happened with D3, basically), and some people with jobs and such might get squeezed out of the game altogether for the first couple of weeks due to limited opportunities to get on and it's all spent in queue |
| 02:17.11 | Amarande | (and as we see with WoW expansion launches and how rapidly you can get to 90 and start working on raid gearing, for instance, if you're shut out for two weeks because of server overload, that's basically an AEON you've fallen behind) |
| 02:17.30 | Amarande | If you launch the game with enough servers to take the initial mad rush? |
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| 02:17.43 | Amarande | Then you end up like WoW or SW:TOR, where you end up with way too many servers for the eventual steady population :S |
| 02:18.17 | DJJeff | I have seen 2 hour logon queue for A52 before |
| 02:18.26 | Amarande | wow, that's odd |
| 02:18.35 | Amarande | pretty sure its population is a little lower than Illidan's generally |
| 02:18.45 | Amarande | and with Illidan I've never seen the queue be more than a few minutes even in the evenings |
| 02:18.54 | Thunder_Child | Ressy: You can disable the inv, but you still get the tells. |
| 02:19.41 | Iriel | One of the recent MMO's launched with multiple realms but a clear 'Once the launch population stabilizes we're going down to a single realm' plan. |
| 02:19.51 | DJJeff | hahahaha.... that just made my day.... |
| 02:19.54 | Ressy | Thunder_Child: Thats why BadBoy exists. |
| 02:20.02 | Iriel | but again, it requires that their infrastructure be able to actually handle a stable population in one realm. |
| 02:20.03 | DJJeff | someone on wow told general chat that I have no life |
| 02:20.23 | DJJeff | inb4 (you play wow and have a life) |
| 02:20.45 | Iriel | DJJeff: Well, http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2014/02/internet_troll_personality_study_machiavellianism_narcissism_psychopathy.html |
| 02:21.07 | DJJeff | this new Hearthstone beta looks really nice too |
| 02:21.12 | Amarande | Iriel: yeah, realm mergers are always at least a little bit fraught with fuckup potential |
| 02:21.31 | Amarande | it's one of the two reasons I stopped playing on my first SW:TOR server and went to another one |
| 02:21.34 | Iriel | hearthstone's pretty neat, I just wish they'd get the iPad version out there |
| 02:21.54 | Amarande | the first server I played on was Harbinger, and apparently, Harbinger is the server they usually merged dying servers onto |
| 02:22.27 | Amarande | and apparently, they did *NOT* do a very good job of it, because Harbinger has chronic stability issues ... like going down for extra maintenance several times a week pretty much |
| 02:22.37 | Amarande | the other servers don't get that |
| 02:23.25 | Amarande | I think it got the nickname of Crashbinger from other players :) |
| 02:23.39 | Neffi | Amarande: "[faction balance]" most of them don't, but there's a few decent servers. I switched to Emerald Dream specifically for that. Incredibly close to 1:1 balance, and high-ish pop (high end of "medium") |
| 02:24.07 | Amarande | but yeah, there is a definite trend of migration towards ultra high pop servers of late, it seems |
| 02:24.27 | Neffi | I prefer an economy that's .., what's the word? |
| 02:24.33 | Neffi | Perpetual? Sort of |
| 02:24.39 | Amarande | I've found that a lot of the servers I played on for a while in the past and thought of as absolutely solid medium population places are now found on the realm merger list |
| 02:24.54 | Amarande | which indicates they must have lost huge amounts of playerbase |
| 02:25.14 | Neffi | Insanely high pop servers are just too agressively competitive. But being on the higher end of population gives you a healthy economy, a healthy playerbase and a broad range of guilds to join |
| 02:25.48 | Neffi | Yeah, it's good to look out for a server that's old and consistent. Emerald Dream has been around for a long time and its pop has never dwindled. Good community |
| 02:26.00 | Amarande | hm, I haven't really noticed anything ill about the personality of Illidan ... they're pretty insanely demanding about gear for raids, but then most LFM requests in /2 tend to be :S |
| 02:26.17 | Amarande | the one downside about it is that the economy is *too* healthy heh |
| 02:26.34 | Amarande | it can take several minutes to wait for Auctioneer to process a scan even in fast scan mode :S |
| 02:26.35 | Neffi | The curve for entry may be harder, but that's a challenge to overcome once |
| 02:26.45 | Neffi | Once you have a single 90 capable of bringing in profit, you're good |
| 02:27.03 | Amarande | since like, on say Ysera or Turalyon the AH has something like maybe 20-25k items |
| 02:27.10 | Amarande | Illidan's AH has about 80-85k items most of the time :) |
| 02:27.37 | Amarande | AND YET 18+ SLOT BAGS ARE STILL STUPIDLY EXPENSIVE *grumble* heh |
| 02:28.02 | Amarande | what's been with bag prices lately anyway, seems like they've gotten pretty insane since mop or so |
| 02:28.18 | Neffi | Plus early-expansion humps are hugely profitable on higher pop realms. The people that reach 90 first generally focus less on collecting ingredients and just depend on being able to buy it all. Which gives essential mats a huge demand. If you don't mind leveling slower and focus on gathering everything you see as you level, you can rake in very easy cash early expansion to bankroll your gold sinks once you hit 90 |
| 02:28.23 | Amarande | and I'm not just talking top tier luxury bags, I'm talking basically everything from imbued netherweave on up, sometimes even the regular 16 slot bags can get pretty pricey |
| 02:28.52 | Neffi | Hit max level, rather. As this is a steady trend with every xpac |
| 02:29.17 | Amarande | you know, come to think of it ... is WoW the only game where bags are that big a thing, player-market wise that is? |
| 02:29.56 | Neffi | Bags are seen as an essential commodity. You don't *need* 18 slotters or bigger. But in practical terms it's a really good investment to make. So the demand is steady. Every new characters needs good bags. And eventually they need to upgrade those, and then fill their bank slots |
| 02:30.07 | Neffi | Bag prices tend to follow inflation because of this |
| 02:30.20 | Neffi | Whereas other things might not follow inflation as closely |
| 02:30.29 | Amarande | As in, every other online multiplayer RPG I've played that I can recall at least, bag space has either been a fixed quantity throughout, or bag upgrades are strictly something you buy from the game system (either with gold/credits/whatnot or via microtransactions). |
| 02:30.46 | Amarande | Pretty sure WoW is the only one I've seen at least where bag upgrades are something you even *can* buy from players. |
| 02:31.14 | Neffi | I wish all the professions had something like bags to bring in income. Something that, in practical terms, everybody needs a good set of, even if they aren't raiding. |
| 02:31.16 | Iriel | there have been others, but i'm damned if I can remember them |
| 02:31.25 | kullervo | WTB regex ignores for wow |
| 02:32.07 | Neffi | Things like raiding essential are often kept in-guild, so the profit off the AH isn't as high as the value of the product might suggest. But bags are that kinda thing where you just go to the AH |
| 02:32.17 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/2014-02-16_04-32-13.png |
| 02:32.30 | Amarande | In LOTRO, bags are always 15 slot, and are upgraded solely through real-money transacting with Turbine (start with 3, you can buy the 4th or 5th or unlock them - permanently, in fact - by subscribing even once, 6th bag has to be bought even if you are a sub) |
| 02:32.41 | Amarande | In D2, storage space was fixed and could not be upgraded at all |
| 02:32.55 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: Gems maybe? |
| 02:32.57 | Amarande | In D3, stash space is only upgraded by paying gold to Blizzard for it, and character bag again is fixed |
| 02:33.06 | Thunder_Child | Enchantments perhaps |
| 02:33.20 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: I was meaning other MMO's where players could craft containers |
| 02:33.23 | Amarande | IIRC in SW:TOR you can upgrade the bag space directly with credits if you're a sub, and if you're not you have to pay cartel coins for it |
| 02:33.28 | Neffi | Amarande: See, I disagree with pay-to-win in an ethical sense. But a good argument can be made that it hurts the health of the game because, when integrated like that, it places indirect regulations on the economy. |
| 02:33.51 | Neffi | The players don't have the option to maintain that economy because the developers chose to uphold their own monopoly on it |
| 02:34.04 | Amarande | (though I *think* there were cartel items that upgraded your bag space, and technically players can trade cartel items, 24+ hours after they have been bought from the CM, but they still have to *come from* microtransactions) |
| 02:34.20 | Semlar | tries to calm neffi down |
| 02:34.25 | Amarande | In Guild Wars, you had to buy or find bags in-game, players couldn't craft them. |
| 02:34.32 | Neffi | Semlar: Am I not calm? O.o |
| 02:34.36 | Neffi | :) |
| 02:34.37 | Amarande | Not sure how FFXI or FFXIV handle bag space. |
| 02:34.41 | Semlar | hides |
| 02:35.14 | Amarande | Neffi: to me, it depends on just how intrusive the pay-to-win features are, as in, how much advantage they give, and how much the playerbase puts fellow players under pressure to have said advantages |
| 02:35.43 | Amarande | also, pay-to-win features that are unlocked by being a subscriber are mostly a non issue, because that's basically just a way of selling the subscriber features as one-time a la carte unlocks for a higher price |
| 02:35.55 | Neffi | Sure. I bet a good p2win system could be implemented. And probably has in some games. But I still disagree in an ethical sense because it often turns to price-gouging. |
| 02:36.19 | Amarande | Neffi: oddly enough the F2P model helps keep the economy *saner* in many cases |
| 02:36.53 | Amarande | Neither SW:TOR nor LOTRO have the galloping uncontrollable inflation that is a hallmark of WoW's economy for instance, and it's in large part I believe because of how the F2P tiers work |
| 02:38.32 | Neffi | I don't believe in a system where the wealthiest players get an easier ride. I don't believe anyone should get an easier ride than anyone else. The difficulty curve of the game should be a constant. I also don't like that the wealthy players essentially subsidize everyone else. |
| 02:38.54 | Amarande | Neffi: the main thing is that SW:TOR and LOTRO both by default have quite low caps on characters' maximum money |
| 02:39.31 | Amarande | in the case of LOTRO, you have to either pay for a gold cap unlock, be a subscriber, or have played the character while a subscriber; for SW:TOR, you *have to maintain* your sub to keep the money cap off |
| 02:40.05 | Neffi | I don't believe in slippery-slope arguments, which this may sound like, but; the premise of micro-transactions seems to be to get the player to may more than they otherwise would be willing to, by smoothing out the payment process into smaller increments |
| 02:40.08 | Amarande | therefore, there is a strong tendency to keep prices down on a lot of stuff, in order to maximise the chance of a sell |
| 02:40.14 | Neffi | It's like applying divide-and-conquer to price gouging |
| 02:40.37 | Neffi | Even if a game isn't on the extreme end of the spectrum, I think there's a good reason it doesn't sit well with many gamers philisophically |
| 02:40.48 | Amarande | Neffi: well, to a large degree it encourages players to choose the subscription option instead of the F2P |
| 02:41.52 | Amarande | I think that may be a large part of the point - F2P allows players to better get into the game in a meaningful way, but the economics of the microtransactions encourage you to treat it as a traditional subscription MMO |
| 02:42.02 | Neffi | Well, back to some House of Cards episodes |
| 02:42.05 | Amarande | FWIW, I barely ever will play an F2P MMO with a sub option without subscribing |
| 02:42.27 | Amarande | I played SW:TOR for all of about a day I think before I decided "okay, time to subscribe" |
| 02:42.43 | Amarande | hmm, maybe a couple days actually, most of which was spent trying to figure out billing address foibles and whether they actually would impact stuff |
| 02:43.06 | Iriel | Doesn't SW:TOR nag you constantly if you're not a subscriber? |
| 02:43.12 | Amarande | because TOR has a weird address entry system that I've never seen quite that way anywhere else :S |
| 02:43.44 | Amarande | Iriel: it imposes limitations (some of which can be bought off via cartel market items, but many are exclusive subscriber perks), and you also suffer from nerfed XP and rewards and increased vendor prices |
| 02:44.18 | Amarande | (though on the flip side, lots of subscribers often wish they didn't get extra XP for it, because then it ends up being like WoW where you outlevel areas too rapidly) |
| 02:44.32 | Iriel | Amarande: I know the practical impacts, it was just that a friend of mine was remarking how he felt that it would constantly berate non-subscribers with a 'If you subscribed you'd be able to X' |
| 02:44.52 | pompy | https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/1911728_10151666730882465_27474159_n.jpg um ok lol. |
| 02:44.57 | Amarande | hmmm, I don't remember that, but I wasn't F2P for long |
| 02:44.57 | Iriel | I haven't been back in to check, myself. |
| 02:45.43 | Amarande | the main thing that bugged me about the billing address is that for a lot of zip codes, including mine, it won't let the town name you enter stick, it apparently verifies the town off some sort of standardised list |
| 02:46.00 | Iriel | Amarande: right,the US postal service has a canonical database |
| 02:46.04 | Amarande | and if your town isn't actually on that list (mostly because the ZIP applies to multiple cities, which is the case for most ZIPs really, actually) |
| 02:46.17 | Amarande | it will *reject* the address you enter and *change it to "UNINCORPORATED"* |
| 02:46.35 | Iriel | Amarande: though good address verification software includes correlation of the street address and zip to city, not just zip to city. |
| 02:46.35 | Amarande | and I was never quite sure until I got around to calling Bioware, whether that would cause the credit card verification to have a fit because of an address mismatch |
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| 02:47.06 | Iriel | CC usually just cares about zip and street address |
| 02:47.13 | Amarande | Iriel: the strange thing is that *only* Old Republic does this |
| 02:47.24 | Iriel | Amarande: it could be they're using a lame or old database |
| 02:47.31 | Amarande | if you go enter your address on any other of EA's sites it won't get changed like that |
| 02:48.16 | Amarande | never happened with Pogo, doesn't happen with Origin, either |
| 02:48.25 | Amarande | interestingly enough, it didn't happen when I bought Bioware points for Dragon Age, either |
| 02:48.30 | Amarande | it's *just* TOR |
| 02:49.19 | Amarande | *shrug* who knows :S |
| 02:49.28 | Amarande | It did work in the end. |
| 02:54.20 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.42 | Neffi | Semlar: lol? |
| 03:03.46 | DJJeff | that almost looks legit |
| 03:04.02 | DJJeff | good luck asking what program he is using todo that |
| 03:06.59 | Semlar | they've been in the same spot for 12 hours |
| 03:07.15 | DJJeff | really? |
| 03:07.24 | DJJeff | damn it now I need to go look |
| 03:07.42 | Semlar | but they've also beaten 3 gyms |
| 03:08.19 | DJJeff | I love how 23,000 people have no life except watch pokemon on twitch |
| 03:08.52 | DJJeff | and people wonder why people comit suicide |
| 03:09.05 | DJJeff | just looking how lame the world is |
| 03:09.50 | Kesava | but hey you can get your kicks from exploting an addon for no reason |
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| 03:10.24 | Kesava | i was actually going to backspace that but i accidentally pressed ente |
| 03:10.29 | Kesava | r. it's late. shush |
| 03:10.39 | DJJeff | no reason? it pissed off almost 60 people |
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| 03:10.50 | Kesava | good reason* |
| 03:18.49 | Amarande | Semlar: are you sure it's not just an animated GIF like some of those cat pictures? :) |
| 03:19.49 | Semlar | could be |
| 03:20.55 | Amarande | you probably could slip that in in place of streaming video of actual Pokemon play as needed without anyone noticing |
| 03:21.03 | Amarande | given how repetitively grindy so much of it is LOL |
| 03:21.23 | Amarande | grind grind grind ... oops viewers, gotta run to the bathroom *puts previous grind on loop, nobody notices* |
| 03:21.51 | Amarande | or is that much grinding just an indication that I'm spending too long in areas instead of moving on when I should? :S |
| 03:22.09 | Amarande | I'm really not sure what the "the sweet spot is over" grind indicator is in Pokemon |
| 03:39.35 | Dagmar | There isn't one |
| 03:39.48 | Dagmar | The latest one is _really_ flexible about basically just letting you go and do whatever |
| 03:40.19 | Dagmar | If you get fed up with grinding you can just Power Train your Pokemon to make them naturally OP as hell in about 20 minutes |
| 03:40.53 | Dagmar | \...then go kick the asses of the next gym denizens without worrying too much about having the exact Pokemon needed |
| 03:41.49 | Dagmar | Pokemon not leveling fast enough for you? Now the Exp Share item works for *all* the Pokemon in your party, and you keep it in _your_ pocket. |
| 03:42.18 | Dagmar | Plus if there's Internets nearby you can readily make 1:1 trades with random other people, provided you can tolerate the nicknames they give them. |
| 03:42.29 | Dagmar | Boosted exp gains for any traded pokemon |
| 03:42.52 | Dagmar | Grinding is just about optional |
| 03:43.04 | Amarande | Ah. The one I have is the original Black for DS |
| 03:43.22 | Dagmar | Yeah X/Y are a _lot_ more casual about things |
| 03:43.38 | Dagmar | I skipped BLack 2 because I never did see a compelling reason to bother |
| 03:43.48 | Dagmar | It's not like it was going to make my city _not_ a ghost town |
| 03:45.13 | Dagmar | Musicals are gone (thank god) and the only video you make _you_ get to edit and do whatever you like with |
| 03:47.11 | Dagmar | You can also throw buffs (capture power, prize money increases, etc) at random strangers or people you've exchanged FC codes with when they'r eon |
| 03:47.46 | Dagmar | THey even made hatching those eggs less of a hassle |
| 03:48.06 | Dagmar | The day care center actually sits at one end of the longest straight road I have _ever_ seen in a Pokemon game |
| 03:49.17 | Dagmar | Berries... No longer scattered all over the damn place. There's a _farm_ with like 36 plots and in case you didn't get the hint the moment you show up the guy running it basically says "I'm tired of this crap. Use my fields and plant whatever you want. I'm retiring as of now." |
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| 05:26.58 | kd3 | "alright guys, last pull of the night. make it count." iron star goes off and blows up the raid |
| 05:26.59 | kd3 | >.< |
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| 05:56.35 | kullervo | I guess the guy responsible couldn't care less |
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| 05:58.52 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 05:58.58 | bluspacecow | this is interesting |
| 05:59.00 | bluspacecow | http://kr.battle.net/wow/ko/forum/topic/3033193301 |
| 05:59.17 | bluspacecow | advance warning of a - |
| 05:59.19 | bluspacecow | oh wait |
| 05:59.24 | bluspacecow | updating privacy policy |
| 05:59.25 | bluspacecow | woops |
| 05:59.29 | bluspacecow | nothing to see here guys |
| 05:59.32 | bluspacecow | *delete* |
| 05:59.57 | bluspacecow | i thought it was detailing what changed in the ToU/EULA for them |
| 06:01.55 | Dagmar | heh |
| 06:03.07 | bluspacecow | which the US/EU guys never do. It's just "agree to new ToU/EULA" *click here* ....... then people find something they assume is new but was actually on the old one (if you check archive.org) |
| 06:04.18 | Neffi | Chrome botched the translation showing nothing, and G translate says this: "Below is a rendering of the page up to the first error." |
| 06:04.27 | Neffi | Pastebin a translation? |
| 06:05.05 | kd3 | http://dpaste.com/1624630/ |
| 06:05.39 | bluspacecow | Yeah Chrome Translate does that |
| 06:05.54 | bluspacecow | you need to copy/paste it into a Google Translate window. |
| 06:05.55 | Neffi | Never seen that before |
| 06:06.06 | bluspacecow | I think it's a bug somewhere |
| 06:06.35 | bluspacecow | like something in kr.battle.net's CSS or html somewhere makes chrome's translate go funny |
| 06:06.58 | bluspacecow | apparently Tracey's a transient |
| 06:07.02 | bluspacecow | giggigty giggigty |
| 06:07.28 | Neffi | Yeah I don't understand the translation. meh |
| 06:07.50 | Neffi | maybe it's just me but this doesn't make sense http://pastebin.com/PAfkj919 |
| 06:08.19 | bluspacecow | it could just be grammer / language differences |
| 06:08.35 | bluspacecow | difference between human translation and machine translation |
| 06:08.43 | bluspacecow | nuances between languages |
| 06:09.00 | bluspacecow | proper grammer is the first thing that fails on a machine translation |
| 06:09.02 | bluspacecow | IIRC |
| 06:09.02 | Neffi | 2nd, 3rd and 4th bullet points I don't get at all. |
| 06:09.29 | bluspacecow | 2) Paragraph added about the cookie used on the site. |
| 06:09.53 | bluspacecow | 3) Something about their off shore services account name changed |
| 06:09.54 | kd3 | I read the third point as 'we're using servers not physically located in korea to let you use amazon to play' |
| 06:10.00 | kd3 | s/play/pay/ |
| 06:10.15 | bluspacecow | it could also be words dropping off in the translation |
| 06:10.26 | Neffi | I was really just wondering why Amazon got mentioned in a Blizzard post |
| 06:10.28 | bluspacecow | like it's missing a vital "of" or "with" |
| 06:10.36 | Neffi | Amazon hosting the servers maybe? |
| 06:10.48 | bluspacecow | they do have that amazing cloud thingy they run |
| 06:11.04 | bluspacecow | 4) .... |
| 06:11.09 | Neffi | I didnt think their compute platform would work with a game |
| 06:11.22 | bluspacecow | wow that's munged |
| 06:11.24 | Neffi | With all the load balancing and virtualization, I figured it'd be bad on latency and I/O |
| 06:11.31 | kd3 | I'd assume it's their payment processor or something to that effect |
| 06:11.35 | Neffi | But I'm not a web guy |
| 06:11.46 | kd3 | not the actual realm servers |
| 06:11.50 | Neffi | That makes sense |
| 06:13.00 | bluspacecow | "Customer Care purpose, security, and support for global play IP address and game data provided by a subsidiary of the blizzard" |
| 06:13.06 | bluspacecow | sound better ? |
| 06:13.34 | Neffi | "the blizzard" I like that |
| 06:13.38 | Neffi | They should change their name |
| 06:13.47 | bluspacecow | to bizzard |
| 06:13.53 | bluspacecow | 'cause their sign was bizzard way |
| 06:13.53 | Neffi | to The Blizzard |
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| 06:15.43 | Dagmar | Proper noun. "The Blizzard". Capitalization is important. |
| 06:16.50 | Neffi | Two spaces after a sentence is just pompous. =P |
| 06:17.00 | bluspacecow | dang it |
| 06:17.26 | bluspacecow | I used to have a really good link for translation services. One that had several different ones on the same page |
| 06:17.31 | bluspacecow | not just google translate |
| 06:17.46 | Neffi | You mean there's alternatives to Google's services? *gasp |
| 06:17.56 | bluspacecow | systran gives me "Provides IP address and game data to the Blizzard company of the business group in goal of custom administration goal, security and global play support." for the fourth bullet point |
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| 07:10.59 | karl_w_w | anyone got experience with synology? |
| 07:15.38 | Thunder_Child | There are some people in here that do, but I don't remember who they are. |
| 07:16.03 | Dagmar | Isn't it an _appliance_? |
| 07:17.05 | Thunder_Child | nas |
| 07:17.21 | Dagmar | Yeah so typicaly those things are plug'n'go |
| 07:18.12 | Thunder_Child | So are HDD's but you might want to get opnions from people |
| 07:18.40 | Dagmar | How _much_ disk storage are we talking about anyway? |
| 07:19.17 | Dagmar | There's rather a lot to picking a NAS above and beyond just finding a technical sales rep and a barrel to bend over. |
| 07:23.34 | Dagmar | A huge one would be _does it integrate with a backup solution in any way_ |
| 07:23.57 | Dagmar | When you start buying NAs is when everyone's everything depends on your hardware. |
| 07:24.01 | bluspacecow | @Dagmar. Appliance ? like http://www.ohgizmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/toaster.jpeg ? |
| 07:24.39 | Dagmar | bluspacecow: As in it's a box you plug into your network and you only get to operate it through a predermined interface. Usually a web interface. |
| 07:24.48 | bluspacecow | ah |
| 07:24.56 | bluspacecow | that toaster is kind cool tho |
| 07:25.40 | Dagmar | Just PRAY TO GOD that the interconnect never falls over |
| 07:26.15 | Dagmar | We've got an ongoing issue with either one of our NAS units or the fiber concentrator it's connected to freaking out every 30 days (to the fuckin' minute) |
| 07:27.06 | Dagmar | It's _super_ fun to spend half a day rebooting and fscking the filesystems on about a six hundred virtual machines |
| 07:28.05 | Dagmar | Largely the thing to pay attention to is whether or not it supports iSCSI, CIFS (Samba), or NFS. |
| 07:29.17 | Dagmar | iSCSI is kind of rare but has some advantages _provided you don't have to beat Windows admins_ to read some help docs |
| 07:31.25 | Dagmar | Having looked through their offerings, I strongly suggest you hammer management to cough up a number for _budget_ |
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| 07:33.35 | Dagmar | ...and be prepared to hassle the rep for hard figures on how much it costs to upgrade it later. No one _ever_ buys just one NAS unit. Disk utilization _always_ grows and if you buy something that can't be upgraded without adding entire other units you'll get fucked in 4 years |
| 07:34.14 | Dagmar | Think of it like a student loan on a poetry degree. |
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| 07:46.32 | Dagmar | (if any of you majored in lit I am both sorry and sure you understand) |
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| 10:19.01 | zenzelezz | "Actual passwords were not revealed, however it is possible for a malicious person with enough computing power to guess and crack an encrypted password, particularly a weak or obvious one." - I wonder if this is dumbed down so Joe Average will understand it, or if it's saying "we don't hash passwords" |
| 10:20.26 | mikma | they propably rot13 the passwords |
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| 10:23.20 | Fisker | I rot 13 them twice |
| 10:25.56 | mikma | zenzelezz: oh, right. kickstarter mailed me too about this shit :D |
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| 10:29.19 | zenzelezz | mikma: I found the part about authorities contacting them to notify them about it pretty interesting |
| 10:31.06 | mikma | zenzelezz: uh, oh. yeap |
| 10:31.59 | karl_w_w | http://www.twitch.tv/twitchplayspokemon ok wtf |
| 10:32.06 | karl_w_w | 26k |
| 10:32.24 | karl_w_w | any pokemon experts know how far into the game they are? |
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| 11:03.52 | jnwhiteh | karl_w_w: i can't tell |
| 11:04.00 | jnwhiteh | surprisingly many pokemon captured tho |
| 11:04.32 | nevcairiel | i wonder how this actually manages to get anything done with hundreds spamming quite possibly conflicting commands |
| 11:06.34 | karl_w_w | very, very slowly |
| 11:08.05 | bluipodcow | No Karl |
| 11:08.18 | bluipodcow | weallllly wealllly slowly |
| 11:12.23 | karl_w_w | it might be about to end |
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| 11:20.05 | rot | hello |
| 11:20.28 | rot | can someone gimme some direction on how create a UnitFrame "object"? |
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| 11:21.00 | rot | I have something like this, now: http://cpaste.org/plaq1iaaz |
| 11:23.12 | rot | should UnitFrame:PartyUnitFrame return the frame...or should it set directly the "self.frame"? |
| 11:23.48 | rot | ...don't mind too much errors and such, I just wanna try to understand the best way to write it |
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| 13:49.16 | pompy | Ackis: http://tay.kotaku.com/q-tay-coffee-stain-studios-goat-simulator-1522865920 if you buy this game, you are dead to me. |
| 13:49.18 | pompy | :P |
| 13:49.23 | pompy | i say that nicely :D |
| 13:50.26 | pompy | What sort of difficulties have you faced during development? At times we had some issues with the bugs in Goat Simulator. We couldn't tell them apart from features. |
| 13:50.28 | pompy | ha |
| 13:51.27 | pompy | From what sources did you draw inspiration during development? Goats, Simulators, Goat Simulators, and Honorable First Chairman Kim-Jong-un |
| 13:51.34 | pompy | :O, har har |
| 13:52.31 | Amarande | A *goat simulator*? ROFL |
| 13:52.43 | Amarande | I guess it can't be as awful as the mobile edition of Dungeon Keeper, though heh |
| 13:53.31 | Amarande | yeah, it looks like orders of magnitude better than that, since judging by the picture, you can at least get a good laugh out of it |
| 13:53.44 | Amarande | whereas mobile Dungeon Keeper ... well ... really isn't even a game :P |
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| 13:53.54 | Amarande | Big Rigs Over the Road Racing is more of a game than mobile Dungeon Keeper LOL |
| 13:54.31 | Amarande | (besides, where but Big Rigs can you find a racing game that lets you violate the very basic laws of physics? :D) |
| 13:55.16 | pompy | he's setting the price at $10 lol |
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| 15:20.53 | karl_w_w | really bugs me when people are watching a tv show and they dont pay attention to it |
| 15:21.09 | karl_w_w | why even bother :( |
| 15:21.39 | nevcairiel | backgroudn noise |
| 15:24.49 | Corrodias | that's mostly what i used TV for back when i had service |
| 15:25.20 | Corrodias | now i find background noises to be very distracting |
| 15:31.25 | Amarande | heh, these days I barely ever actually even *watch* TV |
| 15:31.46 | Amarande | I'll put on a channel on the cable box and listen to it, but I've actually downsized my mancave to a single flat panel, which is almost always being used by the PC |
| 15:32.24 | Amarande | karl_w_w: when you really give it a serious go, you find that the video is fairly ... not so much superfluous, as mostly unnecessary in most TV shows |
| 15:32.43 | Amarande | as in, they're almost as good just listened to as actually watched on screen |
| 15:33.22 | Amarande | though maybe I'm biased on that because I've tended to mostly watch cop dramas and such, where the plot is almost entirely in the dialogue anyways |
| 15:38.46 | Amarande | things like Law & Order especially could probably even get away with just being on the radio :) |
| 15:39.50 | Amarande | otoh, when you're watching something like gameshows, yeah at times you do want to look at the screen (particularly to find out just what those zany Family Feud answers nobody got were :) |
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| 15:51.35 | karl_w_w | you watch some pretty bad tv shows Amarande :P |
| 15:58.40 | Amarande | karl: I don't really even watch TV all that much |
| 15:59.00 | Amarande | if it wasn't for a few things like Sons of Anarchy and Game of Thrones I'm not sure I'd even bother keeping a cable box in here at all heh |
| 15:59.27 | Amarande | and those are only on for about 10 weeks or so a year each :S |
| 16:13.31 | karl_w_w | what happened to http://status.steamdb.info/ :( |
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| 16:21.52 | Corrodias | i dunno; what WAS it? |
| 16:27.25 | karl_w_w | it showed status of steam things |
| 16:27.32 | rid_ | steamstat.us |
| 16:27.43 | rid_ | is what you're looking for |
| 16:27.56 | karl_w_w | nah it was different |
| 16:28.02 | rid_ | it's the same dev |
| 16:29.04 | rid_ | so it's as accurate |
| 16:29.13 | karl_w_w | https://github.com/SteamDatabase/SteamDatabase/issues/109 it was only 7 months old :( |
| 16:29.56 | rid_ | ping Alram he's here ;) |
| 16:30.19 | Alram | yeah |
| 16:30.21 | Alram | same thing |
| 16:30.24 | Alram | we moved it to a different domain |
| 16:31.05 | rid_ | see |
| 16:32.45 | karl_w_w | "told you so"? :P |
| 16:33.12 | rid_ | yes :D |
| 16:33.28 | Alram | not sure why the redir on the old domain is gone |
| 16:34.18 | karl_w_w | rid_ took it away maliciously! |
| 16:34.27 | rid_ | did not! |
| 16:34.36 | karl_w_w | did too |
| 16:34.44 | rid_ | Fisker: do something! :( |
| 16:35.00 | karl_w_w | I saw it fisker |
| 16:35.02 | karl_w_w | tell him |
| 16:35.09 | Fisker | do what rid_ ? |
| 16:35.37 | rid_ | I don't know |
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| 16:46.58 | Fisker | Guest42879 :( |
| 16:46.58 | Fisker | You used to be Shirik |
| 16:46.58 | Fisker | and cool |
| 16:47.01 | Fisker | but mostly Shirik |
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| 16:55.51 | bluipodcow | Someone on the tech support forums wants blizzard to go to best buy to upgrade their servers lol |
| 16:56.33 | Fisker | so what bluipodcow ? |
| 16:56.53 | bluipodcow | Not sure if troll |
| 16:57.01 | bluipodcow | Is you troll fisker ? |
| 16:57.06 | Fisker | never |
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| 17:23.15 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.18 | Kraps | whoaaaa |
| 17:30.47 | Ressy | expected. |
| 17:30.53 | bluipodcow | Hmmmm |
| 17:30.55 | Ressy | They need 5.4.7 to do the new arena season. |
| 17:31.00 | Ressy | and season 14 ends this week |
| 17:31.17 | bluipodcow | US Customers. Are you able to connect ? |
| 17:32.14 | Ressy | I'm in ok. |
| 17:33.21 | bluipodcow | Guy on mmo champ forums can't connect to game but can load the forums |
| 17:33.44 | bluipodcow | Last night it was the other way round |
| 17:37.20 | Fisker | user on the battle.net forums could connect to the game but not the mmo champ forums? |
| 17:37.40 | bluipodcow | Lol no not b net forums |
| 17:40.03 | Neffi | $10 for a morning of shoveling. Good haul. :) |
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| 17:41.16 | Neffi | <bluipodcow> Someone on the tech support forums... <- link? |
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| 17:44.09 | bluipodcow | Find my profile on mmo champion and look at my posts |
| 17:44.26 | bluipodcow | It's hard to link stuff on an iPod |
| 17:44.29 | bluipodcow | ; |
| 17:44.33 | bluipodcow | :( |
| 17:45.26 | Neffi | walled garden and so forth lol /troll |
| 17:50.40 | bluipodcow | No hate |
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| 17:57.06 | karl_w_w | Guest42879, an example of an epic cover (because it's better than the original) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYQczo1TKuA |
| 17:58.06 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/hsldnnB.gif I feel like somebody here might do this |
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| 18:23.25 | Guest42879 | i don't know this song karl_w_w |
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| 18:34.13 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/ECxaO0F |
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| 18:37.17 | karl_w_w | that's a pity Guest42879 |
| 18:37.32 | karl_w_w | download pcsx2 and silent hill 2 and improve your life |
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| 19:03.27 | bluipodcow | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/threads/1459206-Battle-net-down-right-now |
| 19:03.45 | bluipodcow | You |
| 19:04.10 | bluipodcow | You can diddle my dang fangs anytime mikma |
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| 20:11.44 | karl_w_w | god steam is being slow today |
| 20:12.48 | Thunder_Child | It's not steam, it's just you |
| 20:13.46 | karl_w_w | my brain powers the internet :o |
| 20:14.04 | Neffi | No wonder it's so slow |
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| 20:38.38 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/HRRKW89 |
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| 20:59.34 | Neffi | mikma: I guess I'm an emo/pussy internet tough guy |
| 21:02.28 | Kesava | he looks like a serial killer in all of those |
| 21:02.40 | Kesava | a serial killer who's seen some shit |
| 21:03.38 | Neffi | respect the 'stache http://i.imgur.com/1odBwT8.gif |
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| 21:13.46 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.57 | Neffi | Semlar: no, needs more of this http://i.imgur.com/1nJSDmP.gif |
| 21:20.44 | Semlar | twitch is trying to cut a tree |
| 21:20.54 | Neffi | Oh, and place something opaque behind the transparent effects like the flame. You'll find they're hard to notice on certain backgrounds. |
| 21:21.06 | Neffi | But nice work |
| 21:25.04 | Semlar | i think i might add some sound effects |
| 21:26.10 | Neffi | Kaitain did some nice things with WeakAuras in a few UIs. You should check him out if you need ideas http://www.youtube.com/user/WarcraftUI/videos |
| 21:26.42 | Neffi | Mage UI, Resto UI and Auras UI were nice |
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| 21:39.45 | Gethe | :/ IRC links arnt working anymore for me |
| 21:40.42 | Stanzilla | mr Kesava |
| 21:40.51 | Thunder_Child | get a better client? |
| 21:41.10 | Kesava | mr Stanzilla |
| 21:41.28 | Stanzilla | ever had the bug where the target highlight texture is above the healthbar? |
| 21:41.32 | Stanzilla | (nameplates) |
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| 21:41.47 | Kesava | um. no |
| 21:42.45 | Stanzilla | happens when a mob starts hitting you and you did not target him |
| 21:42.48 | Stanzilla | i.e. face aggro |
| 21:43.26 | Stanzilla | (I think) |
| 21:43.33 | Stanzilla | trying to replicate it atm |
| 21:44.19 | Kesava | um |
| 21:44.25 | Kesava | yeah, not getting it |
| 21:44.45 | Kesava | as long as it doesn't happen every time i'm happy. because then i'd have to push another version |
| 21:44.47 | Kesava | i hate doing that |
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| 21:45.04 | Stanzilla | because so are so deep into the rewrite, right? |
| 21:45.38 | Kesava | no, because i just don't like pushing out two releases so close to eachother |
| 21:45.43 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 21:46.15 | Stanzilla | I didn't even get the latest |
| 21:46.20 | Kesava | oh |
| 21:46.26 | Kesava | well i've definitely never had it on the previous version |
| 21:46.46 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 21:46.51 | Stanzilla | will test the new one then |
| 21:46.55 | Stanzilla | *backups custom.lua* |
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| 22:00.39 | Semlar | backs up neffi |
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| 22:05.53 | Primer | I really still don't get WA's "action usable" |
| 22:06.20 | Primer | I created one for my warrior for spell reflect. I just want to know it's off CD. It has no requirement for rage or anything |
| 22:06.41 | Primer | yet when I cast certain abilities, the WA goes away, as if it's not usable, but it's totally usable |
| 22:07.24 | Primer | oh wtf |
| 22:07.28 | Primer | there was a second trigger |
| 22:07.29 | nebula169 | like it goes away during the gcd? |
| 22:07.29 | Semlar | do you have more than one trigger |
| 22:07.54 | Primer | yeah, I c/p WAs a lot :/ |
| 22:08.29 | Primer | wow, got some new gear and my expertise went into the shitter |
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| 22:17.57 | kd3|hate`net | the IEM grand final is on, polt/hero - starcraft2.com/wcs |
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| 22:31.02 | kd3 | a draw? wow |
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| 22:31.39 | kd3 | so it's an 8-game best of seven now |
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| 23:03.48 | kd3 | oh, oops. EU battle.net going down interrupted IEM |
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| 23:40.50 | Primer | hrrmm, I can find no way to make a weak aura have something like (trigger1 or trigger2 or trigger3) and trigger 4 |
| 23:41.54 | Primer | Basically this: if I'm missing horn of winter or strength of earth totem or battle shout AND battle shout is off CD |
| 23:42.21 | Primer | is there a way to express those buffs as some sort of consolidated buff |
| 23:42.23 | Primer | ? |
| 23:42.45 | Primer | if not "attack power increased by 10%" and battle shout off cd |
| 23:44.29 | Breagha | I suppose this is a very specialized question - I just found out that if I create a GHI item and give it to someone else, to then modify the item afterwards, the one I gave awaywill break. Is this always happening, or is it a GHI bug? |
| 23:49.26 | Primer | hrmm, I think I fucked up the logic on that |
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