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| 00:28.34 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 00:28.38 | Mr_Rabies | wtb offhand weapon :< |
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| 02:03.27 | Kesava | doooes anyone happen to know if, with RAF, if the master is 4 or more levels above the slave, the slave still gets triple exp while the master won't? |
| 02:04.09 | Primer | slaves don't get shit |
| 02:04.12 | Primer | that's why they're slaves |
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| 02:18.47 | kd3 | whee, an ice storm warning |
| 02:19.27 | Amarande | bleh. it's getting to be like we're living on Hoth from The Empire Strikes Back |
| 02:19.58 | Amarande | hm, here's an odd and curious pondering |
| 02:20.21 | Amarande | in WoW, are stuns from things like charge supposed to actually be because the attack is so powerful it bowls you over, or are you meant to actually be like a deer in the headlights upon seeing the enemy start to charge at you? :) |
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| 02:21.42 | Amarande | or is it just lag, heh |
| 02:23.45 | Neffi | Amarande: I think it's supposed to be that the other player hit the button a short moment before, and the effect registered on you |
| 02:23.56 | Neffi | WoW isn't a hallmark of immersion. It's gamey as fuck. |
| 02:24.10 | Amarande | bsaically, I'm noticing this ... in a certain other, Middle-Earth themed MMO I play, when a mob does a charge attack that leads to a stun, you only actually get stunned if the enemy actually manages to reach you |
| 02:24.23 | Amarande | if it dies in the middle of the charge (as can happen if you're a class with high burst dps) you're off the hook |
| 02:24.39 | Amarande | in WoW, on the other hand, I tend to notice that usually you get stunned FIRST and THEN the mob charges at you, which seems odd :) |
| 02:24.48 | Neffi | I don't know anything about WoW i'd consider realistic |
| 02:25.17 | Neffi | I think they cater more towards a fun experience, than an engaging/compelling/immersive experience |
| 02:25.21 | Neffi | Probably why RP is so rare |
| 02:27.34 | Neffi | If you played ESO beta, check your email. You probably got a survey to rate your experience. |
| 02:27.54 | Neffi | A chance to let them know their game sucks so maybe they can fix it before it's too late |
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| 02:35.42 | Corrodias | why does it suck? |
| 02:36.45 | Dagmar | Heh |
| 02:36.58 | Dagmar | A much shorter list is the things they got right |
| 02:37.06 | Dagmar | Muuuch shorter. |
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| 02:38.53 | Corrodias | are we saying "it's not like WoW" or truly "it's not enjoyable"? |
| 02:39.02 | Dagmar | That latter one |
| 02:39.18 | kd3 | tim from c-a-d had a good review of chocolate chip cookies that works pretty well for teso |
| 02:39.40 | Stanzilla | bnet client update in da hood |
| 02:40.44 | kd3 | http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20140210 (scroll past the comic) |
| 02:45.24 | Kraps | haha i was reading news in the bnet launcher and suddenly saw "the gear store" and for a second was all "waaaaaaaa?????" |
| 02:51.53 | Neffi | Corrodias: It's not like WoW, and for that I'm glad. It's also not like TES, which is disappointing. And those two things aside, it's also not enjoyable. |
| 02:52.00 | Neffi | But the NDA says I can't really tell you why |
| 02:53.46 | Stanzilla | I think it is boring |
| 03:07.37 | TC-Work | I think it is more that it's not a bad game, but you go into it expecting TES and not really finding it. |
| 03:09.22 | Arrowmaster | hahaha http://ruckusbucket.com/2014/02/11/blake-griffin-smacks-justin-bieber-at-hollywood-starbucks/ |
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| 03:13.41 | TC-Work | Why in the hell is it so damn difficult to call python scripts from js with return. |
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| 03:17.56 | Dagmar | 'cuz browsers are generally not interested in letting people run random python scripts on the machine? |
| 03:17.58 | Dagmar | n |
| 03:23.51 | Trela | O_O Google has started intelligently answering random shit. I'm scared. ;_; |
| 03:24.21 | Arrowmaster | in search results? its been doing that for a long while now |
| 03:24.59 | Trela | Where is puts a box in front of all the search results with a quote stating the exact answer from a random person's forum post? |
| 03:25.21 | Arrowmaster | i havent seen it use a forum post as an answer yet but yes |
| 03:25.38 | Arrowmaster | it does that for google now |
| 03:36.05 | Amarande | On August 29, 1997, Skynet became self-aware ... :) |
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| 03:41.13 | Neffi | Was it that long ago already? |
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| 03:42.48 | bluspacecow | it got nerfed by ghostcrawler |
| 03:43.02 | bluspacecow | then chuck norris round house kicked it |
| 03:46.27 | Kesava | I still can't believe the amazing, unmissable opportunity he got was at riot |
| 03:46.32 | Neffi | looks good http://www.wowhead.com/news=228266 |
| 03:49.25 | Seerah | still on sale for another 2 hours... http://www.woot.com/offers/hp-27-wqhd-led-ips-monitor-12 |
| 03:54.32 | Dagmar | That's a hell of a monitor |
| 03:55.05 | Dagmar | It would be just *wrong* for me to bring one of those into the office as a secondary monitor. ;) |
| 03:55.45 | Arrowmaster | no hdmi and no usb3 |
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| 03:58.19 | Trela | Uhhhh. |
| 03:58.30 | Trela | HDMI or USB in a desktop monitor. Things that do not make sense. |
| 03:58.49 | Arrowmaster | yeah they arent major since it does have displayport |
| 03:59.06 | Arrowmaster | im using the usb3 hub in mine right now though so i like having it |
| 03:59.22 | Seerah | I use the usb hub in one of my monitors |
| 03:59.25 | Arrowmaster | and that isnt wide gaumet so thats a plus |
| 03:59.30 | TC-Work | USB is common. Though normally in the higher end ones |
| 03:59.56 | Arrowmaster | im using the usb3 though for external drives, usb2 wouldnt be much help |
| 04:00.16 | Amarande | Trela: you prefer the old clunky DVI cables where you have to screw in the securing things and all? |
| 04:00.25 | Trela | The problem is that the USB ports are in retarded locations. My older one has two USB ports, but the monitor also supports rotation.(It will also signal Windows/OS X to do so...) ...So when you rotate the screen it rips all the USB connectors out. |
| 04:00.34 | Trela | Amarande: Fap fap fap fap. |
| 04:00.36 | Seerah | *nod* I have a usb 3.0 on the front of my case. |
| 04:01.08 | Seerah | Trela: my old (old) Dell monitor that I use as my secondary has them on the left side |
| 04:01.16 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: hdmi is terrible for PC, only useful for connecting tv devices to it |
| 04:01.28 | Neffi | Arrowmaster: How so? |
| 04:01.36 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: um, HDMI is identical to single link DVI-D, AFAIK |
| 04:01.55 | Neffi | Amarande: No it's not. It supports higher bandwidth than single like DVI-D, so it's better. |
| 04:01.59 | Seerah | Amarande: how often do you hook/unhook your monitor? |
| 04:02.08 | Trela | Plus built in DRM! :D ...Oh wait. |
| 04:02.10 | Arrowmaster | yeah not enough pipe for larger resolutions |
| 04:02.33 | Amarande | Trela: DVI-D also has HDCP |
| 04:02.45 | Arrowmaster | it does now, it didnt used to |
| 04:02.58 | Trela | ^ That guy. |
| 04:03.06 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: pretty much ever since Vista |
| 04:03.30 | Trela | DVI is nice for the simple fact that it generally just works without fuss and supports VGA over it. |
| 04:03.30 | Arrowmaster | yeah and my last monitor didnt |
| 04:03.36 | Neffi | The DRM shit is irrelevant. I'm with Amarande, I'd rather use HDMI if it accomodates the resolution I'm using. |
| 04:03.49 | Arrowmaster | id rather use displayport |
| 04:04.05 | Neffi | Not everything outputs displayport |
| 04:04.23 | Neffi | But either way I fucking hate bulky wires that need thumb screws to stay attached |
| 04:05.17 | Seerah | eh, they stay attached so long as you're not screwing around with stuff :p |
| 04:05.32 | Trela | I leave my DVI cable unscrewed from my Mac Pro monitor due to an OS X bug that causes it to forget monitors exist. That way I can easily unplug and replug it fast. |
| 04:05.35 | Seerah | but I have small fingers, so... I dont' care so much :P |
| 04:07.57 | Trela | If I never have to purposely buy/use an Apple hardware product again I might be happy. |
| 04:08.18 | Amarande | Besides, HDMI means only having to accommodate ONE flat panel in your mancave. |
| 04:08.37 | Amarande | If you don't use it on your computer, you probably will need to have a separate screen for TV. |
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| 04:31.43 | kd3 | bah, I get back online a few hours after cleaning out the ah of arcane crystals/arcanite bars and now the prices have doubled |
| 04:32.05 | Shirik | that's typically how it works |
| 04:32.16 | Shirik | I mean that's how I raise prices on things I want to sell |
| 04:32.27 | Shirik | demand increases = higher prices |
| 04:35.27 | Neffi | kd3: The problem is, you cleaned out the AH. Not always good to do that |
| 04:35.36 | Neffi | People watch for this sort of thing |
| 04:35.42 | kd3 | yah, it's my own fault |
| 04:35.48 | kd3 | I can afford it, but still |
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| 04:37.29 | Shirik | like let me be honest kd3 |
| 04:37.43 | Shirik | if you bought all of a commonly searched for thing |
| 04:37.46 | Shirik | except for 2 |
| 04:38.00 | Shirik | I would buy those two, then put up maybe 5 at 4x the price |
| 04:38.11 | Shirik | I generally get to sell a few of them (maybe not all) at that higher price |
| 04:38.25 | Shirik | then people undercut me, and I sell a few more by undercutting them |
| 04:38.37 | Shirik | and even after undercutting it's still way above the price I bought those 2 at |
| 04:39.16 | Shirik | people tend to define prices via undercutting |
| 04:39.27 | Shirik | so when you get to control the starting price, you have a lot of control over the market |
| 04:41.54 | Neffi | Man, House of Cards is damn great. Bravo Netflix. |
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| 05:09.12 | kd3 | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/medivh/kaydeethree/advanced feels good man |
| 05:09.41 | kd3 | though it'd be nice if the portrait would show equipped weapons... |
| 05:13.57 | Fisker | oh hai kd3 |
| 05:14.02 | kd3 | 'lo |
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| 05:18.31 | Esamynn | Ackis: ping |
| 05:19.41 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: http://i.imgur.com/Yrd1vKg.jpg |
| 05:19.56 | Cairenn | ahahhahaha |
| 05:20.45 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/PLwxyj3.jpg |
| 05:24.30 | Esamynn | Ackis: unping |
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| 05:44.57 | kd3 | maybe I'm still riding an emotional high from finally getting thunderfury, or maybe I'm drunk because no work tomorrow, but: https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t31/1799940_600771826670223_759489381_o.jpg |
| 05:46.12 | Fisker | awww kd3 |
| 05:48.07 | bluspacecow | that moment when you make food then suddenly you dont feel like eating it |
| 05:48.09 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 05:48.26 | kd3 | that's when you go "fuck it, I'm not wasting effort" and eat it anyway |
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| 06:11.42 | karl_w_w | misae sagara: taking crazy cat lady to new levels |
| 06:23.52 | Thunder_Child | karl_w_w: is that the lady with the musem? |
| 06:25.01 | karl_w_w | indonesian word for nasty? |
| 06:25.30 | DJJeff | people on Area52 are begging for a patch to prevent this |
| 06:25.31 | DJJeff | http://puu.sh/6QsWM.png |
| 06:25.59 | DJJeff | im still shocked that on Area52 they managed to get Huolon up on top of the tower |
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| 06:49.12 | bluspacecow | lol japan http://www.dorkly.com/embed/59262/so-theres-a-japanese-urinal-game-with-a-sexy-weather-girl |
| 06:52.29 | DJJeff | no wonder why they get laid alot more than us |
| 06:56.25 | Trela | Verizon's interlinks took a major dump! |
| 07:05.55 | Semlar | does calling :Click() taint a frame |
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| 07:14.53 | Neffi | Semlar: afaik no. |
| 07:14.59 | Semlar | nevermind, i figured it out |
| 07:15.16 | Semlar | it's tainting it because clicking the button sets a variable |
| 07:15.38 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:16.57 | Semlar | my friend says hitting N brings up the spec tab by default every time instead of the talents tab |
| 07:17.17 | Semlar | it doesn't do that to me |
| 07:18.05 | nebula169 | opens with whatever tab was open last for me |
| 07:18.16 | Semlar | after a reload it always opens to my talents tab |
| 07:18.28 | Semlar | which is the expected behavior |
| 07:18.33 | karl_w_w | same for me |
| 07:18.47 | nebula169 | just reloaded and it went to spec |
| 07:18.53 | Semlar | interesting |
| 07:19.11 | Semlar | i think it's an addon |
| 07:19.50 | Semlar | because i'm pretty sure it's supposed to open the talent tab when you run the binding for the first time |
| 07:20.29 | Semlar | but i have 3 people saying it opens to their spec tabs |
| 07:24.56 | Semlar | yep it's one of their addons |
| 07:41.06 | DJJeff | Verify-Area52 : Horde ? |
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| 07:59.55 | zenzio | oh, Internet... |
| 08:00.54 | zenzio | was writing an e-mail, and couldn't recall how exactly to spell the Norwegian word for "get used to" ("vant" or "vandt"), så I did a google-search |
| 08:01.05 | zenzio | fourth result: "Do you get more or less used to swallowing sperm" |
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| 08:02.32 | zenzio | I notice how "so" also became the Norwegian form in that sentence |
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| 08:19.20 | Fisker | awww yiiiiisss Cairenn http://i.imgur.com/vMYu9MO.png |
| 08:19.29 | Cairenn | :) |
| 08:19.36 | Cairenn | Happy kittey |
| 08:20.54 | Kalroth | http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/bmiddle/6628711bgw1edd0ipyqoig20ak06ex6p.gif |
| 08:21.43 | DJJeff | alot of cat photos in this channel :) |
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| 09:36.27 | zenzio | pokes Kodiack |
| 09:37.14 | Fisker | probably better off poking Cairenn |
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| 09:41.36 | Kodiack | Sorry, zenzio (and everyone else). I just moved to New Zealand, and this Internet connection does not like me :( |
| 09:41.47 | zenzio | aha |
| 09:42.07 | airtonix | new zealand has internet? |
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| 09:58.26 | Semlar | doesn't appear to |
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| 10:28.02 | karl_w_w | better than australia's, airtonix |
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| 11:02.34 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.51 | airtonix | he's a man of science after all |
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| 12:28.16 | tz | but he's not a tech head |
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| 13:01.52 | karl_w_w | at least he has the guy who invented the internet on his team tz |
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| 13:06.43 | DJJeff | nevcairiel: are you abandon Quartz? |
| 13:06.53 | nevcairiel | it still works just fine? |
| 13:07.01 | DJJeff | it does yes |
| 13:07.16 | nevcairiel | then how is it abandoned |
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| 13:07.41 | DJJeff | just saw the last updated date of 24/09/2013 |
| 13:07.51 | nevcairiel | if it works, it works :d |
| 13:07.51 | DJJeff | great addon btw :) |
| 13:09.48 | nevcairiel | i'll keep it working, but i dont expect any big functional changes. Maybe with the expansion, always a good time to evaluate the addons |
| 13:10.35 | DJJeff | I actually have been using Quartz in favor of my other cast bars |
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| 13:37.42 | Breagha | I've been looking through Astrolabe, trying to figure out how to make an arrow that points toward a location, and my brain hurts... Does anybody know of a different place that might show examples of how to do that? |
| 13:41.21 | Breagha | I'm not good enough to understand Astrolabe... v.v |
| 13:41.21 | mitch0 | there's libmapdata, too (or something like that) |
| 13:41.33 | Breagha | Thank you, I'll try having a look at that :) |
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| 13:56.18 | Breagha | I'm not sure it has anything about custom arrows to point to locations... Seems to be all about maps and distances |
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| 14:07.52 | Breagha | Seems everybody uses Astrolabe >.< - Just me that's not clever enough to understand all the one-letter variables :/ |
| 14:09.19 | zenzio | why hello there, peppy |
| 14:14.01 | VIad | :D |
| 14:14.13 | VIad | tell me what you don't understand, Breagha |
| 14:15.22 | Lopeppeppy | I survived, zenzio. Eating my scrambled eggs, taking my meds. Owies. |
| 14:16.13 | zenzio | :-o |
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| 14:16.18 | zenzio | but you're alive, that's something |
| 14:16.51 | Breagha | I guess it's mostly the contents of some of the variables, I guess... I can't seem to get my head around what they mean... Like edgeRangeMultiplier... and then the one letter ones... like lM and lF... |
| 14:17.01 | Lopeppeppy | It surely is. Took 4 IVs to put me to sleep, and I'm allergic to that cruddy tape - my arm is as big a mess as my face. |
| 14:17.03 | Breagha | A lot of guesses, sorry |
| 14:17.55 | Breagha | Something like: |
| 14:18.07 | Breagha | if ( lM and lM >= 0 ) then |
| 14:18.07 | Breagha | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.07 | Breagha | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.07 | Breagha | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.07 | Breagha | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.07 | Breagha | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.21 | zenzio | use pastebin for sharing code |
| 14:18.31 | Iriel | Isn't there any documentation or sample code? |
| 14:18.36 | Breagha | Sorry |
| 14:18.38 | Iriel | Surely Esamynn isn't THAT mean? |
| 14:19.12 | Breagha | I haven't found it, but that's not the same as it doesn't exist |
| 14:20.14 | VIad | Breagha: if you just try to read and understand the code it's gonna be hard unless you know what math functions are used in advance, as the variables probably aren't too helpful :3 |
| 14:21.01 | Breagha | Heh... I'm not sure how else to do it... |
| 14:21.01 | Lopeppeppy | "For full documentation, see: http://wiki.esamynn.org/Astrolabe" |
| 14:21.04 | Fisker | doesn't slap Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout, doing so would be mean |
| 14:21.25 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you Fisker. I can't eat it today. Friday should be safe for a good trouting. |
| 14:21.42 | Breagha | Thank you, Lopeppeppy! :D |
| 14:22.17 | Lopeppeppy | My google fu is strong, Breagha. And I know Esamynn|work documents stuff, so it had to be out there. |
| 14:22.27 | Fisker | I am on a roll today |
| 14:23.04 | Fisker | someone when told me I didn't love cute things so I said I loved her |
| 14:23.06 | Fisker | smooth |
| 14:23.07 | Breagha | I never thought to google it... I'm so one-tracked sometimes >.< |
| 14:23.10 | VIad | :P |
| 14:23.31 | Fisker | s/when/even/ |
| 14:23.37 | Fisker | dumb phone |
| 14:23.43 | Lopeppeppy | It was a line at the bottom of the download page on Curse for astrolabe, even - http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/astrolabe |
| 14:24.05 | Breagha | >.< |
| 14:24.59 | Lopeppeppy | To know the beast, hunt it to its lair. |
| 14:25.10 | Breagha | giggles |
| 14:26.01 | Fisker | oh well gotta get home somehow |
| 14:26.09 | Breagha | I'm not blonde anymore, but I guess my brain didn't notice... <.< |
| 14:27.22 | VIad | coloring the hair is only superficial |
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| 14:27.43 | Breagha | Naw, I started out blonde, but over the years it's gotten dark of its own account |
| 14:28.29 | VIad | I thought that only happens in the child part of your life :P |
| 14:28.57 | Breagha | Seems to be a trend in my family... And no, didn't really happen till I was late teen, early twenties |
| 14:29.40 | Lopeppeppy | Blondes and redheads do tend to fade into darker shades as we get older - it's due to the pigementation stuff that causes us to be light in the beginning. |
| 14:29.52 | Breagha | Was pretty funny, really... I dyed my hair black, and then it sorta never went back :P |
| 14:30.52 | Breagha | Was dyed for a while, so lots of time for it to happen gradually, was just a fun coincedence ^^ |
| 14:31.02 | VIad | I was blond too when I was a baby |
| 14:31.04 | VIad | now it's a black hole |
| 14:31.12 | Breagha | Cool ^^ |
| 14:31.19 | bluspacecow | I hungry 'peppy |
| 14:31.23 | VIad | I guess dna |
| 14:31.25 | bluspacecow | *nibbles on Peppy* |
| 14:31.49 | Lopeppeppy | blueberry, I haven't had real food in over a week. I could barbeque you cheerfully. But you may share my scrambled eggs anyway. |
| 14:33.25 | bluspacecow | kk rice and canned stuff it is |
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| 14:38.52 | Lopeppeppy | I can't even have rice yet, not until next week. |
| 14:41.55 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 14:41.59 | bluspacecow | y? |
| 14:42.47 | Lopeppeppy | Removing a wisdom tooth leaves a socket that small things can wiggle into and F up your recovery. no small bits. |
| 14:42.57 | Lopeppeppy | Rice, quinoa, seeds... |
| 14:43.25 | Iriel | Lopeppeppy: do you get the delicious 'swill gently with warm salt water' thing... the taste of salted blood is exsquisite |
| 14:43.48 | bluspacecow | Oh yeah |
| 14:44.01 | bluspacecow | The dry tooth thing can be painful |
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| 14:55.46 | Lopeppeppy | Iriel, I can start doing that this afternoon - 24 hours. So right now I have the taste of gritty old blood instead, how fabulous. |
| 14:58.02 | Fisker | slaps bluspacecow around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:59.17 | bluspacecow | I've had one of my teeth out and had that. Subsitted on gushy slushy food for 3 days. Yoghurt and stuff like that |
| 14:59.30 | bluspacecow | When I was finally able to have food it was like the second coming |
| 14:59.32 | bluspacecow | in my mouth |
| 15:02.25 | Lopeppeppy | I had to wait a week to even get it taken out, so I've been on gushy mushy for over a week already. Lots of yogurt, soup, pancakes, mashed potatoes, oatmeal. |
| 15:03.07 | Lopeppeppy | Today has the complication of tiny bites because my jaw hurts too, can't open enough for the whole spoon. But I have aaaaalllll day to eat these eggs! |
| 15:04.24 | bluspacecow | *blends eggs to feed to peppy via feeding tube* |
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| 15:15.08 | Fisker | aaah |
| 15:15.12 | Fisker | I had something to drink Lopeppeppy |
| 15:19.04 | Lopeppeppy | Rum? Rum is good. |
| 15:27.33 | rid_ | :] |
| 15:41.26 | Fisker | nah |
| 15:41.35 | Fisker | Just plain water |
| 15:41.38 | Fisker | wat-ter |
| 15:45.06 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: how are you doing? |
| 15:46.09 | Ackis | when I gots my teeth done I was still stoned on pain meds and went shopping... I bought lego, a black writing pad (paper was black, wtf?) and cleaning supplies... I proceeded to talk to someone and my mouth filled up with blood and started leaking out |
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| 15:46.51 | Iriel | Ackis: I think you're supposed to use the metallic colored pens on the black writing pads. |
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| 15:47.08 | Iriel | You must have really made someone's day extra freaky tho |
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| 15:47.47 | Ackis | I know :D |
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| 15:49.20 | Lopeppeppy | Eeeew, Ackis. |
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| 15:49.55 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: I also ate a french fry and the tip of the fry went straight into the socket |
| 15:50.06 | Lopeppeppy | I took a pad of paper to the pharmacy with me and I wrote all the answers to the stuff the dude have to ask when you fill a controlled prescription. Amused the pharmacist. |
| 15:50.10 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, you are craaaaazy. |
| 15:50.11 | Ackis | I had them done about 10 years ago and I still have holes |
| 15:50.55 | Lopeppeppy | I am happily medicated and watching TV with the cats. This is good, I will do this for 2 days, and go back to work on Friday. |
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| 15:51.52 | Fisker | When I was a kid |
| 15:52.12 | Fisker | I used to be stuffed with a piece of bandaid and go directly back to work unable to speak and looking like someone with downs syndrome |
| 15:53.47 | Iriel | Fisker: that seems unnecessarily cruel |
| 15:53.52 | Lopeppeppy | For a regular tooth pulling that's pretty normal. Digging out an impacted wisdom tooth under general anesthesia is a bit more complicated. |
| 15:53.54 | Fisker | how so? |
| 15:53.59 | Fisker | yeah ok |
| 15:54.44 | Lopeppeppy | Dude - 4 freakin' IVs in me for one tooth, it was epic. |
| 15:54.45 | Fisker | my dentist was all like "Now we got this one out, lets take the other 3 too" |
| 15:54.48 | Fisker | I cried irl |
| 15:55.09 | Iriel | When i had mine out they took all 4 at once, local anesthetic, on my birthday. |
| 15:55.35 | Iriel | He kept having to add more anesthetic into the work site as he went, it was sort of disconcerting |
| 15:55.48 | Iriel | but all in all much less of an issue than the impacted version |
| 15:56.51 | Iriel | But they pulled out my gall bladder this weekend which was 'fun', so i can share in the post surgical conversation |
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| 15:57.34 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, never eat fat again, Iriel, or you'll wish you'd died. This I am told by my gall-bladder deficient friends. |
| 15:57.55 | Iriel | 90ish percent of folks are fine, there's a 10% population who have a much less happy life. |
| 15:58.02 | Iriel | I'm hoping to be in the 90% camp. |
| 15:58.40 | Iriel | it was attempting to kill my pancreas through a hail of bullets (gallstones) though, so I didn't have much choice. |
| 15:59.51 | Ackis | Iriel: this weekend? grats :D Your pain will improve substantially |
| 16:00.21 | Ackis | when I have dental work they have to give me enough freezing that my body starts shaking (it's adrenaline basically) :( |
| 16:00.32 | Iriel | Thursday and Friday are but vague memories of brief moments between narcotic painkillers into my IV |
| 16:00.50 | Iriel | Even the surgery pain was an improvement. |
| 16:01.17 | Iriel | and has been almost nonexistent, except that I have to convince myself how to eat again |
| 16:01.18 | Ackis | my wife had hers out at the end of December |
| 16:01.48 | Ackis | her first attack was Christmas night and basically spent 4 nights in and out of emergency before they decided it wasn't going to go away and to admit her to pull it out |
| 16:01.52 | Lopeppeppy | Anything has to be better than "Random Body Trying to Kill Me" attacks of pain. |
| 16:02.02 | Iriel | Interestingly my wife had to have hers removed a few years ago, it was an outpatient procedure, she was home something like 5 hours later. Mine was more like your wife's. |
| 16:02.07 | Ackis | she asked for it back but they said they couldn't give it to her :( (the gal bladder) |
| 16:02.27 | Iriel | They have to cut it up to pull it out through the little hole |
| 16:02.44 | Ackis | we still wanted it in a jar that we could put on a shelf at home :D |
| 16:02.59 | Iriel | There are some decent pictures on wikipedia, you could make one out of clay |
| 16:03.04 | Ackis | hehe |
| 16:03.06 | Fisker | fat is groos Lopeppeppy |
| 16:03.09 | Fisker | not groos |
| 16:03.11 | Fisker | but gross |
| 16:03.31 | Ackis | when I had my attacks I had to drive myself to the hospital |
| 16:03.33 | Ackis | :( |
| 16:03.38 | Iriel | Sounds like something you could pull together for a valentines gift? "I already have your heart but I figured you could have a gallbladder back." |
| 16:04.18 | Ackis | haha that'd be smoooth |
| 16:04.19 | airtonix_ | Iriel: my dentist anesthetics included memory loss drugs. |
| 16:04.37 | airtonix_ | "this one knocks you out, and this one makes you forget" |
| 16:04.57 | Iriel | Interesting, I thought it was a pretty typical side effect, the anesthesia disrupts formation of long term memory |
| 16:04.59 | airtonix_ | I wake up, "Finished already?" |
| 16:05.11 | Lopeppeppy | airtonix_, same here. Freaked me out to wake up in a different chair, knowing I walked there. |
| 16:06.02 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/PLwxyj3.jpg <-valentines card of the year |
| 16:06.57 | Ackis | at least you didn't wake up in the middle of the procedure :P |
| 16:07.04 | Ackis | I did during an endoscopy |
| 16:07.06 | Ackis | bleh |
| 16:07.31 | Iriel | 8-( |
| 16:07.35 | Iriel | That would be most un-fun |
| 16:08.00 | Iriel | In fact that ranks near the top of the things I was worried about during endoscopic surgery |
| 16:08.46 | Iriel | Isn't the anaethesiologist supposed to make sure that kind of thing doesn't happen |
| 16:09.00 | Ackis | I just remember them pulling the tube out and putting a "clamp" in my mouth to prevent me from biting down and I was out again |
| 16:09.11 | Ackis | it wasn't surgery it was just looking for ulcers or something in my stomach |
| 16:10.33 | Lopeppeppy | My last root canal was without any anaesthetic. UUuuuuugly. |
| 16:11.01 | Ackis | local freezing only? |
| 16:11.03 | Iriel | Lopeppeppy: None at all? that seems extreme unless the root was completely dead |
| 16:15.40 | bluspacecow | Man Ackis |
| 16:15.51 | bluspacecow | that surgeon should of just rang his cell phone if he lost it |
| 16:16.38 | Ackis | I'm mad at you bluspacecow |
| 16:16.43 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 16:16.45 | bluspacecow | u mad@! |
| 16:17.12 | bluspacecow | @Cairenn http://i.imgur.com/zAuxnTw.gif |
| 16:18.02 | Ackis | haha that look on the cats face is the same one Murky gets when he licks Indy's bum |
| 16:18.08 | bluspacecow | https://twitter.com/KageSatsuki/status/411206187728646144 |
| 16:19.24 | Lopeppeppy | Iriel - novacaine stopped working on me, and it took that experience to convince both me and a medical professional of the fact. |
| 16:19.55 | Iriel | Lopeppeppy: 8-( |
| 16:20.30 | Lopeppeppy | Apparently it's only in the last 5 years or so that the profession has started to admit that not every patient responds to novacaine and they should use other things too. I have been dentist shopping since then to find someone who would work with me on that experiment. |
| 16:21.09 | Lopeppeppy | There are plenty of local anaesthetics out there! Stubborn traditionalists. |
| 16:21.24 | Ackis | is novacaine the stuff they put on a q-tip or is that what they inject into your gums? |
| 16:21.52 | Iriel | The latter |
| 16:22.08 | Lopeppeppy | The injection. It's lidocaine + epinephrine. |
| 16:22.14 | bluspacecow | dishes tiems |
| 16:22.40 | Lopeppeppy | In a startling revelation, I already knew that lidocaine didn't work on me! |
| 16:23.14 | Ackis | yeah the wonder epinephrine :( |
| 16:23.26 | Ackis | that's what they inject me so full of I start shaking |
| 16:24.50 | Lopeppeppy | Useless bloody stuff. |
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| 16:41.01 | Arrowmaster | Lopeppeppy: novocaine (well the lidocaine now) works weird on me, it takes at least half an hour to do anything but i can still feel some stuff but a few hours later my entire face is numb |
| 16:42.38 | Lopeppeppy | Not a bloody bit of effect at all for me, Arrowmaster. My GP tried it for a skin sample he had to take, and we got tired of waiting after half an hour and just did it. Now he keeps marcaine in stock for weirdos like me. |
| 16:43.30 | Lopeppeppy | The guy who did my hand surgery was just like, oh, yeah? I've got this and this and this and this we could use instead! I have no idea why different doctors, who all use local anaesthetics, are so different in what they are willing to learn about and use. |
| 16:46.54 | Arrowmaster | part of it is keeping it in stock, they cant just order the alternatives and keep them until they need them, they expire |
| 16:47.58 | Arrowmaster | also part of it is probably being trained to be allowed to use it |
| 16:49.25 | Lopeppeppy | Keeping in stock I can understand - my GP rotates less of it than my sports injury specialist guy does. But the training? Dude, get your continuing ed credits every year, never stop! |
| 16:49.45 | Arrowmaster | dentists are the worst |
| 16:52.46 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: when I was getting the 50+ stitches to my face it was basically "needle for pain, stitch, needle for pain, stitch" until I told her to just stitch |
| 16:53.53 | Ressy | Odd additiona to Blizz's EULA: No more than 3 accounts. |
| 16:54.24 | Lopeppeppy | So I can't 5 box and beat Unkle's ass into the pavement anymore? Bummer. |
| 16:54.48 | Ressy | err, Battle.net accounts |
| 16:55.03 | nevcairiel | why would i even have multiple of those |
| 16:55.18 | nevcairiel | is there a limit on number of wow licenses i can have in one or something? |
| 16:55.45 | Ressy | EU CS/TS MVps have at least 2 battle.net accounts - they have a sep battle.net for their starter account, which is what's flagged. |
| 16:56.36 | Ressy | nevcairiel: Yes. Max 8 wow licenses per battle.net |
| 16:56.46 | Ackis | how can they enforce the 3 battle.net accounts? |
| 16:56.51 | nevcairiel | i think 24 wow accounts is plenty for anyone! |
| 16:57.03 | Ressy | Ackis: Closing an account? :\ |
| 16:57.12 | nevcairiel | Ackis: most people dont have an endless supply of credit cards, so they re-use eventually :p |
| 16:57.34 | nevcairiel | not everything has to be enforcable immediately |
| 16:57.35 | Ackis | Ressy: How can they know it's the same person? I have 3, my wife has 3, my son has 3, my daughter has 3 and I pay for all of them. |
| 16:57.56 | nevcairiel | why would you have 3 battle.net accounts, or rather, everyone in your family |
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| 16:58.21 | Dagmar | I'm just going to leave this here: flapmmo.com |
| 16:58.32 | Ackis | because it's possible and I'm discussing the practicality of enforcing it not the practicality of me having three battle.net accounts per person in the family |
| 16:58.36 | TC-Work | Ackis: and that is why you have no monies. |
| 16:58.49 | VIad | fake |
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| 17:03.05 | karl_w_w | it's too jittery Dagmar |
| 17:03.26 | Dagmar | It's an abomination against sense. |
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| 17:03.57 | VIad | the attention is an abomination against existence |
| 17:05.26 | TC-Work | anyone know how to disable the visual tab or space indicators in pycharm? |
| 17:08.25 | kd3|hate`net | holy crap http://www.polygon.com/2014/2/12/5403976/myst-gets-a-fully-modern-update-in-this-realtime-3d-masterpiece |
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| 17:11.15 | VIad | kd3: there is no videos :o |
| 17:11.42 | karl_w_w | because it's a hoax |
| 17:12.44 | karl_w_w | remember the good old days when things were released on heaps of different platforms, and heaps of different platforms existed |
| 17:13.09 | karl_w_w | in this case the good old days are as recent as the 90s! |
| 17:13.57 | VIad | http://imgur.com/gallery/a6meWTJ |
| 17:18.10 | Lopeppeppy | kay, nappy time. |
| 17:24.38 | DJJeff | Elvador where are you buddy |
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| 17:39.28 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/gallery/vfdFU lol |
| 17:40.42 | kd3 | wow, what a difference from last week where we got just snow to the slush/freezing rain/snow mix this time around |
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| 17:42.06 | Dagmar | I think it was the gridlock that screwed ya'll more than the weather |
| 17:42.26 | kd3 | last time, yah, but just looking out my window, it was a winter wonderland last time. it's a dirty snowy mess right now |
| 17:43.45 | Iriel | That's always the transition though |
| 17:43.53 | Iriel | Day 1: Oooh, snow, what a lovely sight. |
| 17:43.59 | Iriel | Day 3: Crappy brown stuff, GO AWAY |
| 17:44.04 | karl_w_w | so you're saying it's not the snow but the beauty that causes the traffic problems? |
| 17:44.14 | Iriel | whether the transition is day 2 or 3 tends to depend on whether day 1 is a weekend |
| 17:58.09 | karl_w_w | man ads on youtube have become a fuckload more annoying recently |
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| 18:27.52 | kd3|hate`net | oop. first power blink |
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| 18:43.24 | zenzelezz | "Commanders, we are aware of the ongoing latency issues and are doing our best to address them as soon as possible. Thank you for your patience and understanding. Your WG Team" - first ever popup dialog I've seen in World of Tanks; pretty much means something is really fucked |
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| 19:24.10 | TC-Work | http://imgur.com/r/linux/EsBFyxE |
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| 19:30.48 | Dagmar | TC-Work: Only problem there is that I'm not sure very many of the Ubuntu people are old enough for facial hair yet, let alone a beard. |
| 19:34.06 | Mr_Rabies | welp |
| 19:34.37 | Mr_Rabies | lost power for 6 hours, thank goodness for propane central heating |
| 19:34.45 | kd3|hate`net | ouch |
| 19:35.02 | kd3|hate`net | it's blinked here twice |
| 19:35.33 | Mr_Rabies | thankfully i've got a beefy UPS so i just woke up, put the computer in hibernate, and went back to sleep |
| 19:36.19 | kd3 | heh. I'm not looking forward to the inevitable power failure here. haven't actually tested my ups in a while. hopefully it lasts the minute or so I need to power down |
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| 19:38.26 | Mr_Rabies | there's a shop out here with replacement batteries for like $20 |
| 19:39.10 | Dagmar | I got a discount for buying 10 the last time |
| 19:39.50 | Dagmar | ...but fuck the discount, what that needs is a goddamn free hand truck. |
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| 19:57.04 | Neffi | TC-Work: So Gentoo users are wizards? |
| 19:57.11 | TC-Work | Potentially |
| 19:57.38 | Neffi | According to your image, Ubuntu is probably best |
| 19:58.03 | TC-Work | Mine is just shy of fedora. |
| 19:58.11 | Iriel | I just replaced the cells on my UPS from amazon a couple of weeks ago. |
| 19:58.14 | Neffi | (1) glorious beard; (2) old man; (3) creepy redneck guy; (4) religious end-of-world nutcase; (5) mythological wizard |
| 19:58.30 | TC-Work | I am not an old man. |
| 19:58.34 | Dagmar | Yeah I still doubt the Ubuntu people are even old enough for facial hair |
| 19:58.36 | Iriel | Just find the right generic cell and a non-shady seller. |
| 19:58.38 | Neffi | yes you are TC |
| 19:58.46 | TC-Work | In spirit maybe |
| 19:58.56 | Neffi | Dagmar: I knew a few 16 year olds in high school with that kind of glorious beard |
| 19:58.59 | Dagmar | Iriel: I use Batteries Plus |
| 19:59.00 | Primer | no, gentoo users are masochists |
| 19:59.30 | Iriel | I find it cute when people think any of the present linux distributions are old. |
| 19:59.39 | Neffi | Slackware? |
| 19:59.44 | Dagmar | Iriel: ...although evading shipping costs might not have been as useful as all that considering that my scooter handles like crap when it's got over 100lbs of batteies on it |
| 19:59.45 | Iriel | remembers downloading SLS on floppy, and ordering slackware on CD |
| 20:00.21 | Iriel | Dagmar: To me having it show up on my doorstep rather than having to go get it is a net benefit, but shipping was pretty affordable. |
| 20:00.22 | zenzelezz | think I've used Slackware since 7... although I was admittedly hardly competent until some time later |
| 20:00.49 | Dagmar | Iriel: I was buying ten of them at once. I wasn't interested in having the postman pee on my doorstep |
| 20:01.05 | Iriel | indeed you're operating at a different scale than I am |
| 20:01.13 | Dagmar | I live in Nashville |
| 20:01.14 | Iriel | I'd have to lose my UPS'es twice for 10 batteries |
| 20:01.33 | Dagmar | If I didn't have everything on a UPS it'd get blown up by lighting every 4-5 years |
| 20:02.12 | Dagmar | ...and it turns out just about every goddamn non-giant UPS on the market uses the same 12v7a battery. The bigger units just use two of them |
| 20:02.27 | Iriel | I mostly just have to compensate for PG&E's inability to handle rain very well. |
| 20:04.37 | Iriel | Dagmar: but if you buy those batteries from APC they come with unicorn dust and pixie sprinkles to justify the 500% markup |
| 20:05.02 | Dagmar | No actually I bought pretty much all the original UPSes on sale |
| 20:05.34 | Dagmar | ...which meant they cost about as much as a new battery, so four of them were actually UPSes that I'd bought to just replace a dying battery |
| 20:05.36 | Iriel | mine were generally whatever "the last model" was too |
| 20:05.39 | Iriel | Nice. |
| 20:05.44 | Iriel | I haven't been that lucky yet |
| 20:06.17 | Dagmar | When I found out this local place had them for even cheaper, I had to call them up and make sure thhey have enough in stock |
| 20:06.32 | Dagmar | I did *not* think about how much 10 of those fuckers would weigh |
| 20:06.38 | Dagmar | ...or i'd have taken the car. |
| 20:06.44 | Iriel | hehe |
| 20:08.14 | Dagmar | The only problem with doing that is that now they're all in sync. |
| 20:08.30 | Dagmar | Meaning at some point my apartment is _really_ likely to be singing the song of my people from multiple rooms at once. |
| 20:08.53 | Iriel | Mass Battery Extinction Event - the world may never be the same |
| 20:09.27 | Dagmar | I just wish they had visually distinct sounds if they're going to be that damn loud |
| 20:09.56 | Esamynn|work | Iriel: i would consider Debian oldish |
| 20:10.13 | Iriel | Esamynn|work: Sure, it's old_ish_ |
| 20:10.26 | Dagmar | Esamynn: You realize Slackware is pretty much the oldest distro of them all, right? |
| 20:10.35 | Esamynn|work | shrugs |
| 20:10.37 | Esamynn|work | sure |
| 20:10.53 | Dagmar | Hell, Redhat is even a fork from Slackware |
| 20:11.09 | Iriel | Certainly my transition from slackware to debian was mostly a moment of joy |
| 20:11.12 | Dagmar | It wasn't until after 2000 that they finally made their own fully-custom bootdisk images |
| 20:11.16 | Esamynn|work | let me put it this way... I avoid RPM based distros as much as possible |
| 20:11.37 | Dagmar | You'd better not be impllying that Slackware is RPM-based. |
| 20:11.49 | Esamynn|work | I have no idea |
| 20:11.54 | Dagmar | heh |
| 20:11.58 | Esamynn|work | I've heard the name, I know it's a linux distro |
| 20:12.03 | Esamynn|work | I know nothing beyond that |
| 20:12.21 | Iriel | But installing linux used to be /hard/ |
| 20:12.24 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: only because slackware is a few months older than debian |
| 20:12.35 | Esamynn|work | HAHAHA |
| 20:12.56 | Iriel | Not that I, for one moment, would ever want to go back to those dark times |
| 20:13.58 | Esamynn|work | heh |
| 20:14.16 | Dagmar | C'mon Bootstrapping the system from a pair of floppy disks was fun! |
| 20:14.23 | Esamynn|work | kinda like wishing to go back to the days of Win 3.1? Or perhaps pre-dos? |
| 20:14.38 | Iriel | It was more like the days of early dos |
| 20:14.43 | Iriel | but you ended up with something epic |
| 20:14.46 | Iriel | instead of dos |
| 20:14.49 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 20:14.53 | Dagmar | Something that could run more than one application at a time! |
| 20:15.26 | Iriel | Something that could run more than one user's application, for more than one user, at a time! |
| 20:15.30 | Esamynn|work | I was flabbergasted to discover it took iOS until like ver 6? to be able to do that? |
| 20:15.31 | Iriel | Serial ports FTW |
| 20:15.41 | Dagmar | You had to buy some shit from Quarterdeck if you wanted to run more than one program at once in DOS |
| 20:15.42 | Iriel | IOS had a somewhat different excuse |
| 20:15.53 | Iriel | Normal mapped memory, swap |
| 20:16.00 | Dagmar | That mac users will ay for anything? |
| 20:16.05 | Iriel | Low-level support for TCP/IO |
| 20:16.06 | Dagmar | s/ay/pay/ |
| 20:16.08 | Iriel | TCP/IP even |
| 20:16.26 | Dagmar | No ass trumpet was a big plus |
| 20:16.44 | Dagmar | Trumpet was only fun when you weren't the victim |
| 20:21.09 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/yCQ7Xf8.jpg I chuckled |
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| 21:02.08 | kd3 | oof, just heard a tree pop or a transformer blow |
| 21:02.10 | Arrowmaster | http://store.steampowered.com/tag |
| 21:02.35 | kd3 | probably a transformer because my ups buzzed. surprised I still have power |
| 21:03.42 | nevcairiel | gotta love those 3rd world countries with power lines and transformers out in the open ripe for a storm to kill :P |
| 21:04.29 | Iriel | nevcairiel: sometimes it's because putting stuff underground carries its own problems. |
| 21:04.39 | kullervo | such as being more expensive |
| 21:04.49 | kd3 | and flooding. yay flooding |
| 21:04.49 | nevcairiel | dont try to argue for the US power net, we all know it sucks balls |
| 21:05.09 | nevcairiel | in any case, we seem to do fine with our in-ground power lines |
| 21:05.15 | nevcairiel | looks better, too |
| 21:05.36 | nevcairiel | only the long distance / high voltage lines are above ground |
| 21:05.46 | nevcairiel | because its seriously impractical to burry those |
| 21:06.00 | Ackis | some places here don't have room to bury power/telephone lines |
| 21:06.27 | Iriel | There's earthquakes to worry about here too |
| 21:06.44 | Iriel | though i'd imagine that's a tradeoff at local levels |
| 21:07.22 | Dagmar | ...because it's far more expensive to tunnel through limestone than it is to replace you know, all the wires every decade or so. ;) |
| 21:07.24 | Iriel | rather than a strict disadvantage of under grounding. |
| 21:08.39 | Iriel | I will say my experiences between the UK and the US were that in the UK there were fewer interruptions, but they were MUCH more disruptive. |
| 21:08.45 | Ackis | so I accidentally removed the login shell from all my system accounts on my ubuntu machine... will that have negative consequences? |
| 21:08.48 | Iriel | but i'm a sample size of 1. |
| 21:09.07 | Iriel | Ackis: define 'removed' |
| 21:09.17 | kd3 | if by system accounts you mean things like the apache account, the mysql account, etc... |
| 21:09.20 | Iriel | Ackis: from /etc/password or from the filesystem? |
| 21:09.20 | kd3 | most of those should be ok |
| 21:09.46 | Ackis | Iriel: /etc/passwd (usermod -s /dev/nill account) |
| 21:09.51 | Iriel | some remote access services require a valid shell to connect to something |
| 21:09.53 | nevcairiel | I dont know much about the UK, but I can say that I've never had a outtage longer then an hour in my life, and even those I can probably count on one hand (that I remember) |
| 21:10.03 | Iriel | so you might have to add (hopefully /dev/null) to your shells file |
| 21:10.06 | Ackis | kd3: yeah, root, apache, sshd, bin, games, and a few others I can't remember right now |
| 21:10.18 | nevcairiel | how do you do that accidentally? |
| 21:10.34 | Ackis | wanted to remove it from one and ended up managing to do it for all |
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| 21:24.40 | Dagmar | Anything that is going to instantate a login should require a valid shell |
| 21:24.47 | Dagmar | Don't add /dev/null to /etc/shells. *shudder* |
| 21:25.30 | Dagmar | Your "system" accounts likely didn't need a valid shell anyway. /bin/false should do for most of them just fine |
| 21:26.51 | zenzelezz | I've never understood what the difference is between /bin/false, /bin/nologin, and a couple others I don't recall |
| 21:26.58 | Dagmar | There isn't one. |
| 21:27.05 | Dagmar | What matters is that the invocation exit false |
| 21:27.33 | Amarande | Dagmar: eh. the shell in /etc/passwd is used only when you actually *log in* as an account, correct? |
| 21:27.39 | Amarande | not when you su or otherwise invoke a shell as that user? |
| 21:27.41 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 21:27.45 | Amarande | well |
| 21:27.53 | Amarande | just make sure the password field is set to something that can never work |
| 21:27.57 | Ackis | zenzelezz: /bin/false fails whereas /bin/nologin is a program that runs and says you there ain't no shell which apparently makes it easier to log |
| 21:27.59 | Dagmar | All the daemon accounts should be using a non-valid shell in /etc/passwd |
| 21:28.12 | Amarande | then it will never be possible to log in as that user anyway because you can never enter a valid password |
| 21:28.18 | Ackis | Dagmar: and I use /bin/false I just typed /dev/nill as I was having a brain fart |
| 21:28.38 | Amarande | actually, that's usually how it works, isn't it? password entry is set to something like just "x" so that it matches nothing? |
| 21:28.47 | Dagmar | No, that's just _one_ of the things. |
| 21:29.06 | Amarande | Ackis: you've been coding Lua too long, you have nil on the brain |
| 21:29.12 | Dagmar | Daemon accounts don't have a password. Nothing should generally be authing to change uid to them |
| 21:29.21 | Dagmar | ...as in the password check should _always_ fail |
| 21:29.48 | Dagmar | With regular shadowkit the difference is minimal. With PAM the difference can bend you right over |
| 21:30.29 | Dagmar | Amarande: _All_ the entries in /etc/passwd should generally be "x" for the second field. |
| 21:30.35 | Amarande | ... wow, ps4 must be winning this gen's console wars out of hand, newegg has to resort to offering the xbone as a shell shocker |
| 21:37.35 | Arrowmaster | consoles are dead, long live the steambox |
| 21:43.23 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: tell me that when the steambox can also play my ps3 games |
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| 21:47.49 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: can a ps4 play ps3 games? |
| 21:47.59 | Arrowmaster | i was talking about this gen being dead already |
| 21:48.50 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: natively it cannot, you can get "Playstation Now" though and "stream" the older games =p |
| 21:49.57 | nevcairiel | the previous playstation architecture was just too different to emulate on the new one |
| 21:50.11 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 21:50.29 | Amarande | yeah, pre-ps4 playstations all used odd unique hardware |
| 21:50.52 | Amarande | which is simply not that easy to emulate, heck, look how many aeons PS2 emulator projects for PC take |
| 21:50.53 | Arrowmaster | xbox is just as bad, they went ia86->powerpc->amd64 |
| 21:51.01 | nevcairiel | anyway, steambox is equally stupid, rather build myself a PC and run steam in big picture modeo n it |
| 21:51.16 | Amarande | actually, DO they even have a reasonably worthful PS2 emulator for PC yet? |
| 21:51.19 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: i see it more as a way off killing off the console exclusives |
| 21:51.34 | Arrowmaster | or making them put more effort into their pc ports again |
| 21:51.58 | Amarande | yeah I'm not really quite sure exactly why one would use a steambox yet, unless one only plays the few games that work on linux natively |
| 21:52.30 | Arrowmaster | its got streaming now too so you can play your windows pc games on the steambox attached to your tv |
| 21:52.30 | Amarande | I can just play the games on my Windows PC, why would I stream them over to another PC? that seems obtuse. |
| 21:52.36 | nevcairiel | I however cannot stand playing FPS or even third-person games on a controller. I just can't coordinate moving and looking around with the analog sticks/d-pads |
| 21:52.51 | Amarande | especially when your TV has the same or worse resolution than your computer monitor, which is virtually ALWAYS the case |
| 21:53.10 | Arrowmaster | only if your monitor is larger than 24" |
| 21:53.16 | Amarande | it's not like your TV's going to be any better than 1080p, it might even be 720p, and your computer monitor meanwhile is likely to be AT LEAST 1080p if not even better resolution |
| 21:53.16 | nevcairiel | if a game works well on a controller, i might as well sit on the couch |
| 21:53.27 | nevcairiel | which is usually far enough away from the TV for the resolution to be OKish |
| 21:53.45 | Amarande | nev: I mean your total pixel real estate |
| 21:53.49 | Amarande | which is especially important for us RPG folks |
| 21:53.54 | nevcairiel | who cares |
| 21:54.01 | nevcairiel | if you sit further away, you cant read the shit anymore anyway |
| 21:54.05 | nevcairiel | so pixels do you no good |
| 21:54.21 | Amarande | gonna be fun when this monitor eventually dies some point down the line. I'll have to manage to find another 16:10 |
| 21:54.40 | Amarande | and those have been getting rarer lately compared to 16:9 which seems to have mostly taken over :S |
| 21:54.45 | Arrowmaster | im fine with 16:9 as long as its larger than 24" |
| 21:54.58 | Arrowmaster | for 24" or less it must be 16:10 |
| 21:55.12 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: when you MMO, once you go 16:10, it's hard to go back |
| 21:55.31 | Amarande | because you're looking at going to a monitor with 10% less vertical real estate relatively speaking, no matter the physical size |
| 21:55.34 | nevcairiel | if the screen goes bigger, it becomes less relevant |
| 21:55.42 | Amarande | so the space is 10% more cramped in terms of arranging UI elements/addons etc. |
| 21:55.53 | nevcairiel | there most likely wont be any 4K screens in 16:10 anymore |
| 21:56.12 | Amarande | nevcairiel, 4k gaming will likely take a while to take off anyway |
| 21:56.50 | Amarande | between cost and the lack of favourable external factors |
| 21:57.24 | Amarande | for one, you're pretty much recommended at least SLI 770's or better for it (that's $800-1600 in GPU investment alone) |
| 21:57.51 | Amarande | for two, I expect the adoption of 4k screens to be far slower because so many factors conspire against it |
| 21:57.55 | Arrowmaster | a new card gen would be better than SLI |
| 21:57.57 | Amarande | 1) people don't have the GPUs or the budget for it |
| 21:58.14 | Arrowmaster | doesnt SLI not share the card memory |
| 21:58.24 | nevcairiel | who cares if its adopted, as long as the screens become available for me to buy |
| 21:58.31 | Amarande | 2) present flat panel monitors were spurred on because of the development of HDTV from an expensive enthusiast luxury to mainstream (further spurred on by the government mandates for digital TV) |
| 21:58.42 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: yeah, but it's not card memory that's really the issue at hand, it's GPU horsepower |
| 21:58.55 | Arrowmaster | card memory will also be a big part |
| 21:59.09 | nevcairiel | high end cards have 3GB or so anyway, thats ok for now |
| 21:59.18 | Amarande | apparently 2GB is enough, 4GB is plenty, but anything less than dual 770's and you're looking at not being able to drive pixels fast enough to keep the framerate up |
| 21:59.25 | Amarande | which brings us to |
| 21:59.40 | Amarande | 3) 4k panels that actually even LET you have a framerate above 30 fps are rare and expensive things |
| 21:59.50 | nevcairiel | panels are not the problem |
| 22:00.09 | nevcairiel | connectivity is kinda lagging behind the screens even |
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| 22:00.32 | Amarande | 4) and to return to 2, one of the other big things to spur people on towards 1080p was that other forms of video were also converging on it |
| 22:00.45 | Amarande | blu-rays, HD netflix, etc. |
| 22:00.55 | Amarande | on the other hand, there is very little to encourage a video hound to go to 4k, and much to discourage them |
| 22:00.58 | nevcairiel | DVI and HDMI 1.4 can't do it. Only DP 1.2 can, and only if you use multi-stream, which needs GPU driver support since Windows thinks you have two screens connected :p |
| 22:01.39 | Amarande | I think there might be a blu-ray thing in development for 4k, but streaming video for 4k is basically dead in the water for the foreseeable future :| |
| 22:01.53 | Mr_Rabies | why are mogu charms so dang expensive D: |
| 22:02.00 | Mr_Rabies | er mogu runes |
| 22:02.09 | TC-Work | nevcairiel: Just use an SDI connection. |
| 22:02.09 | nevcairiel | give it another year and you might have first 4k streaming showing up |
| 22:02.45 | Mr_Rabies | good luck when the isps can't even handle 1080p without throttling |
| 22:02.54 | Mr_Rabies | they throttle the shit out of netflix as is |
| 22:03.00 | nevcairiel | who says it'll need more bandwidth? :) |
| 22:03.06 | TC-Work | That's what torrents are for |
| 22:03.14 | Amarande | nevcairiel: yeah, what Mr_Rabies says |
| 22:03.16 | nevcairiel | (and not everyone is in the crappy part of the ISP world, ie. the US) |
| 22:03.22 | Amarande | it's not the fact that we don't have tech that can DO 4k |
| 22:03.28 | Amarande | it's that the ISPs won't let us |
| 22:03.41 | nevcairiel | again who says it'll need more bandwidth? |
| 22:03.44 | Mr_Rabies | doesn't matter, nevcairiel: the isps are choosing not to use netlfix's SuperHD which uses less bandwidth and costs them nothing |
| 22:03.49 | Mr_Rabies | they look at netflix as competition |
| 22:04.01 | Amarande | hell even before the net neutrality ruling, you still couldn't even watch one 1080p video daily on netflix without going over the average monthly cap |
| 22:04.04 | Mr_Rabies | because almost all of them are owned by tv stations or vice-versa |
| 22:04.08 | nevcairiel | Mr_Rabies: maybe you should move to a sane place |
| 22:04.14 | Amarande | (usually 150-500 GB a month depending on ISP, averaging around 250) |
| 22:04.28 | Amarande | nevcairiel: oh, it won't be that useful outside the US either |
| 22:04.29 | nevcairiel | also, you have monthly caps? should really move to a sane place |
| 22:04.46 | Amarande | nevcairiel: I have eight simple happy words for you |
| 22:04.58 | nevcairiel | did you count them before? |
| 22:04.58 | Amarande | "this video is not available in your country" heh |
| 22:05.00 | Mr_Rabies | yeah but most of the rest of the world has an abysmal library for movies via streaming |
| 22:05.24 | Mr_Rabies | hell, we basically do now, but we're still way better off than most of the rest of the world |
| 22:05.25 | Amarande | yup, just like Mr_Rabies notes there too |
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| 22:05.48 | Amarande | probably because of the ridiculous amount of xenophobic paranoia the media industry has about basically the ENTIRE international world |
| 22:06.09 | Amarande | hell. quite a number of countries that normally the US considers best-of-buddies ... are on the USTR Special 301 Watch List for being too laid-back about intellectual property |
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| 22:06.18 | Amarande | i.e., the *AA's don't want to have jack to do with them if they can help it LOL |
| 22:06.42 | nevcairiel | in any case, who cares how screwed up your US system is, 4K is coming anyway |
| 22:07.46 | nevcairiel | content may not be widespread in 2014, but it should ramp up in 2015 |
| 22:07.53 | Amarande | nevcairiel: oh, I doubt it'll disappear. I'm just thinking it'll probably spend an aeon or three as a niche luxury thing for a few hardcore videophiles |
| 22:08.02 | Mr_Rabies | the only problem with that is most of the content is coming from the US, nevcairiel |
| 22:08.15 | Amarande | like Extreme Edition processors, Cadillacs, and yachts :) |
| 22:08.38 | Amarande | Extreme Edition came, Cadillacs came, and yachts came, doesn't mean that more than a relative handful of people actually buy into them :) |
| 22:08.40 | nevcairiel | Mr_Rabies: hollywood is happy to produce 4K content which they can sell for a few dollars extra |
| 22:09.00 | nevcairiel | even if its only on a pressed plastic disc |
| 22:09.10 | Amarande | yeah, it'll probably stay a disc thing for a long time to come |
| 22:09.18 | Mr_Rabies | i'd prefer discs honestly |
| 22:09.22 | Amarande | and as for 4k using more bandwidth ... yeah, I would presume it would use approximately four times as much bandwidth as 1080p |
| 22:09.29 | Mr_Rabies | digital still has a long way until it's viable for really distributing stuff |
| 22:09.31 | Amarande | since you're pushing four times as many pixels |
| 22:09.43 | nevcairiel | nah, streaming is coming, and it wont need much more bandwidth due to new compressions |
| 22:09.46 | Amarande | and I'm going to assume that data compression ratios will stay about the same |
| 22:09.46 | Mr_Rabies | the ball is entirely in the creator's court right now, hardly any consumer protection on digital stuff |
| 22:09.53 | nevcairiel | Amarande: wrong assumption |
| 22:10.23 | Arrowmaster | h265 is already much better than h264 |
| 22:10.38 | Mr_Rabies | i can't wait until we get set-top boxes capable of h265 |
| 22:10.41 | Amarande | nevcairiel: take a 2 megapixel BMP picture and a 12 megapixel picture of the same scene, try to compress each, I would be very surprised if the latter isn't still about 6 times the file size of the former |
| 22:10.41 | Arrowmaster | and the other thing i think xiph is working on is even better |
| 22:10.43 | nevcairiel | The standard is much better, software implementations not yet :p |
| 22:10.57 | Mr_Rabies | maybe the anime nerds will move to that instead and i can finally watch their stuff on something other than a computer without having to re-encode |
| 22:11.06 | nevcairiel | Amarande: with the same codec sure, but if you use a better codec you get smaller sizes |
| 22:11.32 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: except getting anything other than h264 to get adopted will be a SEVERE uphill battle for a VERY long while |
| 22:11.45 | Arrowmaster | you mean h265? |
| 22:11.58 | Arrowmaster | h265 has major support |
| 22:12.00 | nevcairiel | Amarande: nonsense, plenty broadcasters are pushing for it because it can reduce their bitrates, so they can push more |
| 22:12.09 | Amarande | keep in mind, h264 has other reasons for its ubiquity, there's a reason that so many internet sites sucked it up and did what it took to be compatible (and even WIKIMEDIA has been taking a vote on it) despite the severe patent encumbrance |
| 22:12.30 | Amarande | a lot of it is because it's one of the only video formats most existing mobile devices can afford to play without draining the battery like a dribble glass |
| 22:12.30 | Mr_Rabies | i can't wait until SoC stuff can do h265 |
| 22:12.43 | Mr_Rabies | because buying an htpc just for 10-bit video is dumb |
| 22:12.53 | nevcairiel | Mr_Rabies: h265 also has 10-bit =p |
| 22:13.04 | Mr_Rabies | well, hopefully it'll be supported out of the box or something |
| 22:13.04 | Ermad | I don't really get the big deal about 4k, don't think the difference would really be noticeable with the size TV I have |
| 22:13.05 | Amarande | h265 will have a lot of trouble not being hated by consumers in today's tablet world, sites will try to adopt it and users will complain YOUR SITE KILLS MY BATTERY |
| 22:13.32 | Mr_Rabies | i really hate that the anime subgroups have adopted 10-bit video for no good reason |
| 22:13.40 | nevcairiel | Mr_Rabies: makes for smaller files |
| 22:13.46 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: you mean supported in hardware |
| 22:13.55 | Amarande | if desktop computers had maintained peak popularity, it would be a much easier matter |
| 22:13.56 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, nevcairiel, but only a little bit |
| 22:13.57 | Arrowmaster | it also reduces banding |
| 22:14.01 | Mr_Rabies | and storage space is super cheap |
| 22:14.11 | Mr_Rabies | banding can be reduced by pumping up bitrate too, Arrowmaster |
| 22:14.12 | Ermad | I don't hate them, just think its a very poor decision. many many people rely on hardware decoders which don't work with 10-bit |
| 22:14.17 | Amarande | but now that tablets are so popular, hardware codec support is almost vital, and you basically have to get it in enough of the market *before* a format can really hope for success |
| 22:14.31 | nevcairiel | Ermad: anime people don't care :p |
| 22:14.48 | Mr_Rabies | i just either re-encode or run it through a DLNA transcoder |
| 22:14.53 | Mr_Rabies | which isn't optimal |
| 22:14.59 | Mr_Rabies | i can tell it's just not as good as running the file natively |
| 22:15.11 | Amarande | again, it's why none of the attempts to push an open format above H.264 ever worked, and why even wikimedia, that open source licencing zealot, is voting on sucking it up and accepting that they need to work on licencing h.264 to allow content in the format |
| 22:15.37 | nevcairiel | Amarande: you have no idea what you're rambling about, its hilarious |
| 22:15.54 | Amarande | nevcairiel, is H.265 similar enough to H.264 that existing hardware support can be leveraged? |
| 22:16.06 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 22:16.13 | Mr_Rabies | it's entirely different as far as i know |
| 22:16.36 | Arrowmaster | same as h264 was completely different from h263 |
| 22:16.38 | Amarande | nevcairiel, that's what I'm pondering. whether a codec that doesn't yet have widespread hardware support among an increasingly mobile consumer base will be successful |
| 22:17.01 | Amarande | or whether users will shy from sites that try to make the switch because it will drain the battery much too rapidly |
| 22:17.08 | nevcairiel | mobile streaming services will just do what they have always done, offer the content in 20 different versions |
| 22:17.13 | Amarande | (because it will have to fall back on traditional, energy-expensive CPU decoding) |
| 22:17.41 | nevcairiel | not to mention that phones and tablets are basically throw-away after 2 years of usage these days, so a turn-around for new codecs isnt that long |
| 22:18.33 | Amarande | apparently that was the issue with wikimedia, one of their sites (which was it, I'm trying to remember now ...) would be way better with more video content, but a) non-H264 video turns off mobile users due to battery concerns, and b) excluding H264 video severely limits the amount of available content |
| 22:18.59 | kd3 | commons |
| 22:19.07 | Amarande | yeah, that's true, tablets do turn around a lot more rapidly than desktops |
| 22:20.09 | Amarande | probably the most rapidly ... phones are a little more sluggish here in the States because of the contract rules (though AT&T seems to be moving away from that, too) |
| 22:20.42 | Arrowmaster | att is not |
| 22:20.50 | nevcairiel | most devices which are coming out Q3/Q4 this year will already have H265 support, so a year later in 2015 you can realistically start assuming support by a big share of users |
| 22:21.27 | Mr_Rabies | i'd love for a new WDTV-type device that supported whatever format the anime subgroups are gonna use |
| 22:21.35 | Amarande | Ermad: heh yeah, here too even if I had a 4k screen (and I don't know when they'll get as small as 24"), I wouldn't be able to game at 4k anyway so meh |
| 22:21.58 | Amarande | at least 4k maintains the exact aspect ratio at an integer multiplier over 1080p |
| 22:22.15 | Amarande | so you can probably game at 1080p on a 4k screen without things looking like utter arse like they usually do when you try to game at non-native res |
| 22:22.22 | Arrowmaster | but 1080p was 8:8 |
| 22:22.30 | Mr_Rabies | honestly, the resolution wars are kinda dumb |
| 22:22.31 | nevcairiel | Mr_Rabies: they intentionally put 10-bit into the initial version of the H.265 standard, basically forcing everyone to support it if they want to claim H265 compatibility, while in H.264 it was only added in a later revision |
| 22:22.34 | Arrowmaster | s/was/wasnt/ |
| 22:23.09 | Mr_Rabies | i use a 100 inch display and only past 60" or so can i really tell the difference between 720p and 1080p for video |
| 22:23.45 | nevcairiel | Mr_Rabies: all i know is that i can sit in front of my 1080p 55" TV and can see individual pixels, which means the resolution needs to go higher! |
| 22:23.47 | Amarande | mind you, 4k probably won't be the last stop either |
| 22:23.49 | Arrowmaster | yeah if its a good encode you cant most of the time |
| 22:24.03 | Amarande | my speculation is that the "pinnacle" of digital video will occur around the 10k range |
| 22:24.19 | nevcairiel | tbh the difference between 720p and 1080p is not big enough to notice |
| 22:24.33 | Dagmar | ...which means we'll exceed our monthly bandwidth caps on our cablemodems after watching a 15 minute film |
| 22:24.37 | Amarande | Sooner or later, people are going to want to try to go for full retinal resolution, like Apple mobile devices already try to do at a small-screen scale |
| 22:24.46 | Mr_Rabies | how close, nevcairiel? |
| 22:24.56 | Mr_Rabies | that matters a lot |
| 22:25.06 | nevcairiel | Mr_Rabies: dunno, from my couch, maybe close to 2 meters |
| 22:25.23 | Dagmar | *eyeroll* at "retinal" resolution |
| 22:25.24 | Mr_Rabies | you must have really, really good eyes or a display with some pixel issues |
| 22:25.24 | Amarande | Based on wikipedia's estimate of retinal perception, that's about 477 DPI, which for a 24" desktop screen would be about 10k or so horizontal |
| 22:25.49 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: the dpi depends on distance from the screen |
| 22:25.53 | nevcairiel | I dont notice it when i just watch tv or something, but when i stare at the windows desktop... |
| 22:25.59 | Dagmar | wat |
| 22:26.01 | Arrowmaster | 200dpi is enough for a desktop or laptop |
| 22:26.11 | Dagmar | DPI doesn't depend on distance from the screen |
| 22:26.20 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: for it to be 'retinal display' quality |
| 22:26.24 | Dagmar | Inches don't get smaller because you're further away. |
| 22:26.30 | Dagmar | They get smaller because the water is cold. |
| 22:26.55 | Amarande | Dagmar: how many DPI your eye can perceive depends on how far away you are, though |
| 22:27.17 | Amarande | otherwise, a lot of eyeglass companies would be some very unhappy campers ... |
| 22:27.20 | Arrowmaster | which is why apple keeps redefining it |
| 22:27.24 | Wobin | damnit dagmar, you beat me to the joke =P |
| 22:27.41 | TC-Work | I bet that is not the only thing he has beat you to. |
| 22:27.50 | Wobin | well, the water -was- cold |
| 22:27.54 | Dagmar | Apple's redefining it because they thought the hipsters would be impressed and accept the claim without question |
| 22:28.09 | Wobin | and they do! |
| 22:28.22 | nevcairiel | the hipsters probably did, but the rest of the world found the trick |
| 22:29.02 | Wobin | The One Trick That Has Apple Execs Fuming? |
| 22:30.14 | Arrowmaster | ive been farming chompers in the bravely default demo this entire conversation |
| 22:30.27 | Arrowmaster | i dont know why anymore since im about to max every job |
| 22:31.16 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: and yet you play WoW after having completed SoO, right? :) |
| 22:31.26 | Arrowmaster | SoO? |
| 22:31.28 | Amarande | for some reason something drives us to continue to play games after we've pretty much finished them heh |
| 22:31.31 | Amarande | siege of orgrimmar |
| 22:31.37 | Arrowmaster | i quit wow long ago |
| 22:31.48 | Neffi | Amarande: 477 DPI isn't quite enough http://filmicgames.com/archives/860 http://filmicgames.com/archives/698 |
| 22:31.51 | Arrowmaster | i still need to finish this demo then start the real game |
| 22:32.01 | Dagmar | My 41" TV is "retinal" resolution |
| 22:32.41 | TC-Work | retna you mean? |
| 22:32.43 | Dagmar | It's still not enough to make the strippers in the Pink Unicorn look real |
| 22:32.51 | Arrowmaster | just maxed out at level 20 |
| 22:33.04 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Bravely Default? |
| 22:33.07 | Wobin | Dagmar: I'm not sure being there will help in that endeavour |
| 22:33.16 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: yes |
| 22:33.27 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Prepare for disappointment |
| 22:33.39 | Dagmar | Not in the game, but in whether it was worth your time to go all teh way through the demo |
| 22:33.55 | Arrowmaster | oh i know its probably not but im doing it |
| 22:34.30 | Arrowmaster | completionist after all |
| 22:37.14 | Dagmar | What you will get is a small stack of potions which will be useful until about level 8 and some antidotes and such |
| 22:38.00 | Dagmar | I read "Caldisla Recovery Set" and thought it meant like, armor sets. I am disappoint. |
| 22:38.05 | Arrowmaster | and 20 villagers |
| 22:38.17 | Dagmar | Yeah thanks to streetpass I'm up to 47 villagers already |
| 22:38.32 | Dagmar | ...and I'll say the weapons from the Norende shops are awesomesauce |
| 22:38.36 | Arrowmaster | i got a total of maybe 3 villagers from streetpass |
| 22:38.52 | Arrowmaster | i need to setup a homepass |
| 22:39.06 | Dagmar | If you do it on Linux give me a holler. :) |
| 22:39.31 | Dagmar | I'm not messing about with some crazy list. I'm site-surveying actual locations and spoofing those. |
| 22:40.03 | Dagmar | It was harder to get NetworkManager to fuck off than all the rest put together |
| 22:40.43 | Arrowmaster | i was trying to do it with my phone but was having issues |
| 22:41.11 | Arrowmaster | i might just buy a new router at some point and convert my wrt54gl to a homepass |
| 22:41.37 | Dagmar | Actually just hit up ebay for the right kind of usb dongle or miniPCIe card |
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| 22:42.08 | Dagmar | RT2571WF chipset has all the features needed and comes in both USB and miniPCIe, and is generally like $10 |
| 22:42.31 | Dagmar | I have two of them I scavenged out of the Chumbies that died from old age |
| 22:42.36 | Arrowmaster | oh cool |
| 22:43.07 | Dagmar | I am slowly converting all the shell stuff I wrote to perl so I can just run a script and have it make things a bit more efficient. |
| 22:45.22 | Dagmar | I still need to see how picky the 3DS is about checking SSL cert validity |
| 22:45.33 | Dagmar | It would be pretty lulsy if it was fine with just any old cert |
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| 22:46.54 | Dagmar | I suspect it *might* because the older Pokemon can apparently be fooled by something as simple as a DNS server change |
| 22:49.20 | Arrowmaster | didnt even know a cert was needed |
| 22:49.43 | Dagmar | o.O All the Streetpass stuff is over SSL, so yes. |
| 22:50.10 | Dagmar | ...but there's sites where you can set things up to have them trade you completely fabricated Pokemon |
| 22:50.12 | Arrowmaster | the stuff i was reading about just said i had to change the wifi mac and ssid |
| 22:50.25 | Dagmar | Oh yes, that stuff doesn't operate at that layer |
| 22:50.34 | Dagmar | The 3DS Streetpass system is actually pretty gullible. |
| 22:51.10 | Dagmar | If you're in the US region it just periodically looks for one of about four AP names, and if it sees one, it jumps on and tries to phone home with the MAC address of the AP it's talking to and the SSID. That's _it_. |
| 22:51.34 | Dagmar | So if you just spoof the SSID and MAC address, the system has no idea you're not actually at that location. |
| 22:51.54 | Dagmar | It doesn't seem to care about the channel used or the IP range you get an IP from or anything like that |
| 22:52.27 | Dagmar | I'll say the 3DS's DHCP client is decently well-behaved tho'. It identifies itself clearly and even does a DHCP release when it's through. |
| 22:53.03 | Dagmar | ...but if it doesn't check the _validity_ of the SSL certs when it does it's phone home thing, there's no telling what kind of mayhem I can get into |
| 22:53.46 | Dagmar | I will damn well give myself gold pants if it turns out to be that easy |
| 22:54.05 | Amarande | wait, the 3DS doesn't connect through regular wifi? |
| 22:54.16 | Dagmar | It does when it's doing Streetpass stuff |
| 22:54.24 | Arrowmaster | keep me updated if you do anything cool |
| 22:54.36 | Amarande | I mean, it only uses the special Streetpass network, not your regular home wifi like say the DSi did? |
| 22:54.37 | Dagmar | the Streetpass Relay functionality at "Nintendo Zone" locations is just regular wifi stuff |
| 22:54.57 | Dagmar | Amarande: There's nothing special about the network. |
| 22:55.38 | Dagmar | Amarande: If you changed your SSID to 'attwifi' or 'Wayport_Access' (both tend to exist at any McDonald's) your 3DS would see it right now and try to do a Streetpass Relay lookup, and probably claim you're in a Nintendo Zone to boot |
| 22:56.12 | Dagmar | You just wouldn't see any other people show up because you'd be the first person to query their DB with that SSID+MAC as the primary key for the database. |
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| 22:59.25 | Ackis | Arrowmaster/Dagmar: I set up my homepass with a used Linksys WRT-54 router |
| 23:00.30 | Dagmar | The loose APs I have here won't take any firmwares and I wasn't going to bother manually reconfiguring one every few minutes |
| 23:00.57 | Ackis | I just used a script I found to cycle the mac address every so often |
| 23:02.33 | Dagmar | I'm monitoring the wire wiht tcpdump so I know exactly when the relay session completes. |
| 23:02.42 | Dagmar | ...and because this tends to drive iPad users fuckin' batty |
| 23:03.09 | Dagmar | Apparnetly my upstairs neighbor's iPad was doing a ring-a-ding every time it saw my "open" WiFi until I took steps. |
| 23:03.31 | Dagmar | ...which considering I was doing most of this screwing around at 2am, was not well-recieved news. |
| 23:03.33 | Ackis | lol |
| 23:03.49 | Ackis | my ipad doesn't do that |
| 23:04.37 | Dagmar | They had an app running to announce free wifi in the area |
| 23:04.51 | Dagmar | ...and since I was spoofing different MAC addresses every few minutes, it was going apeshit |
| 23:05.02 | Ackis | so it's their problem and not yours :P |
| 23:05.21 | Dagmar | Yeah but I'm trying to not be a dick. Heh |
| 23:05.49 | Dagmar | I don't torment them with iPad ringy-dingy and they don't have loud angry sex |
| 23:05.56 | Wobin | Dagmar: haha |
| 23:06.14 | Wobin | it'll be like a metronome =P |
| 23:06.57 | Dagmar | If you want a bunch of really nosy, paranoid questions... Let your neighbors know you're a hacker. |
| 23:07.10 | Dagmar | Everything bizarre that mappens will suddenly maybe have been you. |
| 23:07.36 | Wobin | Dog off its food? Hackers. |
| 23:07.51 | Dagmar | Hackers got into the TV and made all the channels rearrange themselves. |
| 23:07.52 | Wobin | Birds shit on your balcony? Hackers. |
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| 23:08.03 | Dagmar | Ice in the freezer tastes funny? HACKERS. |
| 23:08.26 | Ackis | I should set my third router up to randomly change its SSID to absurd things... e.g. RCMP Surveillance Horse |
| 23:08.39 | Wobin | My open wifi with default password suddenly out of my control. HAC... oh.. probably the government |
| 23:09.03 | Dagmar | The only AP in the condoplex not using WPA2 is mine, which is using WEp. |
| 23:09.08 | Dagmar | God help you if you crack it. |
| 23:09.15 | Dagmar | You will not like the version of the internets you get. |
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| 23:10.15 | Dagmar | ...and I have done _much_ worse than simply "All Roads Lead To Tubgirl". |
| 23:11.02 | pompy | January 27, 2014 - Steam Client Update Released |
| 23:11.02 | pompy | (Feb 11: This update was re-released for Windows to resolve an issue with future client updates.) |
| 23:11.04 | pompy | :o |
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| 23:23.05 | Esamynn|work | okay, I gotta share this one... |
| 23:23.07 | Esamynn|work | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/gatherer#c3894 |
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| 23:31.16 | Gnarfoz | I can absolutely understand not expecting a bug-display addon and a quicklaunch addon (which will probably contain nothing but Gatherer) when downloading Gatherer |
| 23:32.31 | Amarande | of course you need a bug display addon for gatherer, what are you going to do without it when they come out with the new Entomology profession? :) |
| 23:32.43 | Esamynn|work | heh |
| 23:33.08 | Neffi | Yeah, to be fair that actually really bothers me about the Norganna addons |
| 23:33.16 | Neffi | I don't want your bug window. I don't want your slidebar. |
| 23:33.24 | Esamynn|work | does it? |
| 23:33.25 | Neffi | If I did, I'd seek them out as a separate download |
| 23:33.44 | Gnarfoz | isn't there a song that goes similarily? hmm :D my memory is bad :( |
| 23:34.31 | Amarande | yeah, I generally disable the Norganna slide bar pretty quickly after installing the Auctioneer suite |
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| 23:34.49 | Neffi | It's not a bother, unless you opt to update your addons manually. And then sometimes you forget to deselect those from the archive. Or you're mass-decompressing a bunch of addons. And you launch with it installed by mistake na dhave to go back and remove it |
| 23:34.58 | Amarande | seriously. it already sets up buttons for the suite on your Broker bar if you have one |
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| 23:35.22 | Amarande | suggestion, it should detect that and offer to auto disable the slidebar if Broker support is found :S |
| 23:35.29 | Esamynn|work | alright, I can see the argument for splitting up slidebar |
| 23:35.53 | Esamynn|work | Swatter on the other hand,... that was put in when the default error reporting UI was crap |
| 23:36.02 | Neffi | I wouldn't mind if Slidebar was just an embedded lib and the whole functionality could be trivially disabled from the options window of any addon using it. That's sane. |
| 23:36.04 | Amarande | actually, perhaps an addon library for that would be a good idea |
| 23:36.05 | Esamynn|work | iirc, it has much improved since then |
| 23:36.09 | Amarande | hmm what could one call it |
| 23:36.29 | Neffi | Swatter on the other hand is terrible to bundle. You might consider the default window crap, but that's the users option, not up to you to impose anything else on them. |
| 23:36.42 | Neffi | Swatter is a separate product, and you're bundling it like adware |
| 23:36.43 | Esamynn|work | Neffi: no no, I mean many years ago |
| 23:36.46 | Esamynn|work | when it WAS crap |
| 23:36.48 | Amarande | "The Unified Button Access Library" (convenient acronym TUBAL) or something like that maybe? |
| 23:37.03 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 23:37.04 | Esamynn|work | we've just never revisted the policy |
| 23:37.13 | Gnarfoz | it was crap for a long time :| |
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| 23:37.16 | Esamynn|work | and I'm thinking that it's time we do |
| 23:37.20 | Amarande | like, something addons can use to request a configuration button, and then it would go and see if you've got broker or slidebar or whatnot so it only puts the button in ONE place that you specify |
| 23:37.23 | Neffi | And that's understandable. But if I had the choice, I'd strike those from the downloads |
| 23:37.34 | Amarande | instead of giving you like ... one button on the minimap, one on the slidebar, one on your broker bar |
| 23:37.40 | Gnarfoz | does swatter enable the lua errors cvar? |
| 23:37.56 | Esamynn|work | probably causes that too, yes |
| 23:37.57 | Gnarfoz | probably |
| 23:38.04 | Gnarfoz | wouldn't be very helpful otherwise |
| 23:38.04 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:38.30 | Esamynn|work | I think you get that for free simply by setting a custom error handler |
| 23:38.47 | Gnarfoz | really? that'd be kinda... sane |
| 23:39.01 | Esamynn|work | I know... shocking |
| 23:39.06 | Gnarfoz | I'm stunned |
| 23:39.52 | Esamynn|work | now, my next question... would simply changing the default state to Disabled be enough, or should we really just stop bundling one or both>? |
| 23:40.51 | Semlar-Laptop | bundles neffi |
| 23:42.16 | Semlar-Laptop | when i download an addon i'm expecting only that addon |
| 23:43.13 | Semlar-Laptop | i don't even like when an addon is split into multiple modules just to load them on demand but i guess there isn't any alternative |
| 23:43.15 | Esamynn|work | one could take the view that they are PART of Gatherer ;) |
| 23:45.31 | Neffi | Esamynn|work: I don't like that it's bundled at all. But I would have no problem if it were embedded+disabled. It's library-like functionality common to the Norganna projects, so why not embed it? |
| 23:45.34 | Esamynn|work | but more seriously, this bundling is something that hasn't been reviewed in, literally, 4+ years. circumstances have changed... alot |
| 23:45.52 | Esamynn|work | but rather than just blindly pulling them, or ignoring the complaint, I'm here looking for comments |
| 23:46.03 | Semlar-Laptop | i wouldn't want something that's in there that's disabled by default because why even have it in the first place |
| 23:46.33 | Esamynn|work | easier to tell a user with a problem to turn on our "good" debugger when they have a problem that way |
| 23:46.38 | Semlar-Laptop | i would just take them out and offer them as a separate option |
| 23:46.45 | Esamynn|work | but perhaps I just need to see what the current default error dialog is like |
| 23:47.20 | Neffi | The functionality it adds IMO feels more like a feature of the addons using it, not a separate product. So to have to disable the addon to turn off that functionality is a weird logical disconnect. The switch to show/hide it should be in the addon's config, not on its own |
| 23:47.54 | Esamynn|work | that really is a product of the current limitations of the system though :/ |
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| 23:48.04 | Semlar-Laptop | frankly i don't want an addon like gatherer also handling errors and buttons |
| 23:48.05 | Esamynn|work | boss mods, like DBM, being a prime example |
| 23:48.19 | Neffi | That sentence might have been confusing, I mean that the switch should be present in places like Gatherer's config. And if you turn off all the buttons (disable it for Gatherer, Auctioneer, etc) the slidebar should totally be disabled |
| 23:49.25 | Neffi | Talking about SlideBar. dunno why I didnt mention that |
| 23:49.33 | Neffi | IMO Swatter should be entirely separate |
| 23:49.51 | Esamynn|work | I have this nagging feeling that SlideBar is, itself, broker backed |
| 23:50.50 | Neffi | my lord http://i.imgur.com/ce3gDhC.jpg?1 |
| 23:51.01 | Neffi | it's beautiful |
| 23:51.08 | Mr_Rabies | guacamole on a burger |
| 23:51.40 | Neffi | Well technically it's not just a burger. It's 3 burgers, a chicken sandwhich, bacon *and* french fries on buns |
| 23:52.04 | Neffi | 10/10 would happily have heart attack eating |
| 23:52.57 | Esamynn|work | yup, SlideBar itself is just a frontend for LibDataBroker |
| 23:55.17 | kd3 | holy crap. jamie (of mythbusters) is doing an ama |
| 23:55.30 | kd3 | http://redd.it/1xqull |
| 23:56.30 | Semlar-Laptop | this is not the first time the mythbusters have done an ama |
| 23:57.02 | kd3 | the holy crap was largely for this comment, though: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1xqull/i_am_jamie_hyneman_cohost_of_mythbusters/cfdv2mt |
| 23:57.38 | Esamynn|work | O_o |
