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| 00:22.20 | Neffi | Wayf: There's a page for.. what's the word |
| 00:22.31 | Neffi | Maybe MSBT calls it throttling? |
| 00:22.37 | Neffi | I think so |
| 00:22.51 | Neffi | Set it to 0 |
| 00:23.27 | Wayf | can't find a setting for throttling |
| 00:23.48 | Wayf | oh, maybe here |
| 00:24.25 | Neffi | I'm positive it's in there. I ran MSBT for a while before I rolled my own combat text |
| 00:24.50 | Wayf | seems to have done the trick, Neffi - thanks a lot |
| 00:25.12 | Neffi | np |
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| 00:37.31 | Semlar | throttles neffi |
| 00:46.39 | Neffi | n e f f i s l o w s t o a c r a w l |
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| 00:54.03 | Gethe | uncaps Neffi |
| 00:57.37 | Neffi | Thanks |
| 01:10.50 | Thunder_Child_ | No no, I think the caping is good. |
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| 01:11.55 | Neffi | Caping is never good. You might get sucked into a jet engine |
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| 01:21.16 | Thunder_Child_ | cap not cape |
| 01:21.38 | Neffi | Capping, then |
| 01:22.17 | Thunder_Child_ | Who said I was talking about you? |
| 01:23.02 | Thunder_Child_ | And yes, caping is a word. |
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| 01:42.14 | Kraps | Cairenn: you there |
| 01:46.02 | Amarande | hm, looks like systemd beat upstart ... wow it's already in the wikipedia article about upstart, too |
| 01:46.45 | Arrowmaster | ive yet to see an official announcement |
| 01:46.49 | Arrowmaster | just claims |
| 01:46.54 | Amarande | I'm guessing that upstart's sponsors (in the sense of, say, sponsoring something in the Senate) were so ill-behaved as to make people not want to vote for them? |
| 01:47.13 | Arrowmaster | only 8 people were voting |
| 01:50.23 | pnorman | Is there a UnitId for the main assists and main tanks? |
| 01:50.38 | Arrowmaster | yeah those are not proper sources for wikipedia |
| 01:50.53 | Arrowmaster | im still sticking with not an official announcement yet |
| 01:56.34 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: the votes on the list are not a proper source for the votes on the list? |
| 01:57.18 | Arrowmaster | there was a protest against the call for the votes itself |
| 01:57.54 | Arrowmaster | if procedure was not followed then those votes might not be valid |
| 01:58.10 | Amarande | what, now there's got to be a vote on whether there should be a vote? |
| 01:58.23 | Amarande | and then someone can protest THAT and then there's got to be a vote on whether there's got to be a vote on whether there's got to be a vote? |
| 01:59.07 | Arrowmaster | there is a claim that the call for the vote did not follow procedure which is why Ian went postal and has now removed himself from the internet for a few days |
| 01:59.39 | Amarande | oh, good grief |
| 01:59.50 | Amarande | you know, Debian is a wonderful distro on the "technical merit" category |
| 02:00.19 | Amarande | but these politics are just ... bleh if people want to engage in cyber politics so bad they should be helping the EFF save Internet freedom instead of bickering about init and all |
| 02:01.45 | DJJeff | whats the name of the addon that responds to raretimer |
| 02:01.54 | Amarande | and presumably both systemd and upstart will be available through apt-get anyway, natch |
| 02:02.11 | Amarande | so in the end it really only affects what, the base install media, when you think about it? :P |
| 02:02.16 | Arrowmaster | following agreed upon policies is what has made debian so great, ignoring them now would be devastating |
| 02:02.33 | Arrowmaster | they are both available to install and use right now |
| 02:03.50 | Arrowmaster | the policy committee will have to decide later how packages are going to be required to support just the default or multiple ones |
| 02:04.00 | Amarande | exactly! so what difference does it really make, then? just pick one, knowing people can get the other one from the repo if they really want it, and save the arguing for things where it really matters, like fighting whatever the US government attack on Internet freedom du jour is :S |
| 02:04.01 | Amarande | right? |
| 02:04.46 | Arrowmaster | the default is very important because its what most people will be using and what most work will be put into supporting |
| 02:05.29 | Arrowmaster | right now upstart on debian is dead and has been since it was added years ago, no packages actually support it and if you use it then upstart uses its legacy sysvinit handling |
| 02:05.58 | Arrowmaster | meaning you get almost no benefit for using |
| 02:06.01 | Arrowmaster | it |
| 02:06.02 | Amarande | ahh, yeah, I'm guessing /etc/init.d & friends need to be completely different for each, then |
| 02:06.10 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 02:06.36 | Arrowmaster | both systemd and upstart have legacy handling of sysvinit files but they handling them in different ways |
| 02:07.15 | Arrowmaster | systemd works them into its dependency chain while upstart just puts them all at the end afaik |
| 02:10.10 | Amarande | mind you, my use cases on linux have usually been simple enough that plain sysvinit probably would have been good enough |
| 02:10.25 | Amarande | although I suppose I can see the point of its weaknesses, especially on, say, laptops |
| 02:10.34 | Amarande | which probably have it the worst |
| 02:11.39 | Amarande | since it sounds like the most common situations where sysvinit falls on its face are firmware loading and swapping usb devices, both of which are frequent issues with a laptop |
| 02:12.06 | Arrowmaster | well only systemd and upstart support cgroups which is a newish feature of the linux kernel thats highly desirable for desktop systems |
| 02:12.50 | Amarande | (basically, on a laptop, you'll be swapping usb devices a lot more often I'm sure - whereas on a desktop you'd probably just keep most plugged in except for storage devices; and of course laptops almost always use wifi, and wifi cards like to be lame about firmware) |
| 02:13.09 | Shadowed | hey Kaelten you around |
| 02:13.12 | Amarande | on that point, is there really some sort of significant performance advantage to having the wifi card need its firmware reloaded every boot? |
| 02:13.16 | Amarande | it seems like a facepalmy design to me |
| 02:13.34 | Shadowed | oh right wowace, forgot about that |
| 02:15.24 | Amarande | hm, cgroups. I'm not sure I've used that (or if I have, I wasn't aware I was doing so) |
| 02:15.31 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: im not aware of any wifi differences between init systems |
| 02:15.43 | Amarande | mind you thanks to being a gamer, I've also not used Linux in quite a while either |
| 02:16.08 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: one of the things cited about init's weaknesses when I was reading up on the topic is that init isn't very good when dealing with things that aren't right-then ready when it gets to them |
| 02:16.20 | Amarande | or will block on them, anyway |
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| 02:16.34 | Amarande | and there can be timing issues with things like firmware blobs (which have to be loaded after the device is recognised but before it can be used) |
| 02:17.03 | Amarande | the bit with wifi comes from the proliferation of wifi devices that, for reasons that seem to have little logic, require the firmware blob to be loaded from the host every boot instead of it being, well, FIRMware |
| 02:17.36 | Amarande | (which also produces one of Debian's most major headaches, because the blobs are vitally essential, but are also "evil non-free stuff") |
| 02:18.49 | Amarande | hence, wifi devices tend to be the ones where the firmware blob thing is seen the most |
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| 02:27.59 | Neffi | Amarande: Well it's possibly done to simplify the process of changing out the firmware |
| 02:29.02 | Amarande | ah, yeah, though I'm not sure how often wifi firmware changes |
| 02:29.08 | Neffi | I don't know how firmwares are written, but one thing I always wondered is, what if a bug in the firmware breaks *and* prevents new firmware from being loaded? The solution would be to compartmentalize the firmware |
| 02:29.30 | Amarande | the one thing I reckoned was whether (especially at high speeds like n and ac) the ability to have the firmware be in DRAM instead of flash made a big difference in performance |
| 02:30.02 | Neffi | I imagine it loads into a little piece of RAM upon boot |
| 02:30.20 | Neffi | I really doubt anything that needs firmware is using NAND as working memory |
| 02:30.53 | Amarande | mind you, bricking doesn't seem to be the biggest concern in firmware flash designs, either :S |
| 02:31.02 | Amarande | although I suppose nation-by-nation regulations might be :S |
| 02:31.17 | Amarande | wifi radios probably need tweaks for practically every different country they're used in |
| 02:31.31 | Neffi | I don't know. I haven't done any real hardware hacking. The most I've worked with switching out firmwares and embedded devices in general is with Android phones. |
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| 03:17.21 | Torhal | Shadowed: It was forgotten last month, though it was fulfilled. I asked them about it last week. |
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| 03:19.18 | kd3 | hey torhal. who do I direct my pointy objects at over the cursevoice installer? |
| 03:19.36 | Torhal | Acenth |
| 03:20.26 | Torhal | He'll likely just shug and say "Linux." |
| 03:21.16 | kd3 | I'm just amazed that he's using what appears to be home-grown installer |
| 03:21.53 | Torhal | I have no idea what he's using, but I thought he'd gotten a license for something...hrm. |
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| 03:22.08 | kd3 | whatever it is wine doesn't like it at all, but meh |
| 03:22.21 | Torhal | All I know is it's supposed to be vastly superior to ClickOnce. |
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| 03:33.36 | Cairenn | Kraps: I am now |
| 03:34.10 | Kraps | Cairenn: nvm now :D |
| 03:34.16 | Cairenn | sowwy |
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| 04:52.17 | Wobin | hm, any USian willing to help me buy a preorder for ESO? |
| 04:54.17 | Thunder_Child_ | Why would you want to? |
| 04:56.02 | Wobin | I'd say a month of gameplay is worth $50 |
| 04:56.25 | Thunder_Child_ | Sure, I'll help |
| 04:56.29 | Wobin | \o/ |
| 04:57.02 | Thunder_Child_ | What do you need from me? |
| 04:57.13 | Wobin | k, the site is http://www.dealzon.com/buy/elder-scrolls-online?drc=gamebreakertv |
| 04:57.23 | Wobin | and the code is YOGCST-BESTYT-EVERRR |
| 05:02.24 | Amarande | heh, is ESO really supposed to be the *-killer when it comes to MMOs? |
| 05:02.38 | Amarande | seems like everywhere you go you find at least some folks who say "everyone's gonna leave (game) for ESO soon as it comes out" |
| 05:02.44 | kd3 | everything's supposed to be the wow killer. funny how well that's turned out |
| 05:04.31 | Amarande | "everyone's gonna leave WoW" "everyone's gonna leave LOTRO" "everyone's gonna leave SW:TOR" |
| 05:04.52 | Amarande | actually I don't know if anyone's said "everyone's gonna leave FF14" ... that might be too new to lose its players to yet another "shiny new thing" yet |
| 05:05.27 | Thunder_Child | I dunno, after the first few games I stopped hearing that |
| 05:05.50 | kd3 | ...seriously, nbc announcer? "That's a ginormous improvement"? |
| 05:06.03 | kd3 | though I'm more alarmed that my spellchecker thinks that's a valid word |
| 05:06.56 | Thunder_Child | Concidering the shit that miriam webster is putting in its book, I am not surprised. |
| 05:07.05 | Amarande | also spellcheckers are weird |
| 05:07.27 | Amarande | like at work when we used to have to make sale signs in Word, before we got a dedicated program for the purpose |
| 05:07.46 | Amarande | it would ... I forget which way it was, but it was either it recognised "Keebler" and said "Nabisco" was misspelled, or the other way round |
| 05:23.38 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/QbHBK.gif lol |
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| 05:26.00 | DJJeff | that is funny ^^ |
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| 07:04.59 | bluspacecow_ | LOL |
| 07:05.00 | bluspacecow_ | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/11674247582?page=1#2 |
| 07:08.23 | Trela | Wow. |
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| 07:23.42 | Torhal | I blame television. Don't you blame television, Trela? |
| 07:23.52 | Trela | I blame WoW. |
| 07:24.12 | Torhal | Well, yeah - there is that. |
| 07:24.14 | karl_w_w | thanks obama |
| 07:24.29 | Torhal | !!! |
| 07:40.55 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: have fun http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1xggg8/broken_by_design_systemd/ |
| 07:41.01 | Arrowmaster | alright im going to bed |
| 07:50.25 | Brulath | heh Thunder_Child: Merriam webster only catalogues words that are in common use, they don't decide which ones are valid or not. their video series on their website is pretty cool |
| 07:52.42 | rid_ | hello Torhal |
| 07:52.51 | rid_ | I blame Torhal |
| 07:52.52 | rid_ | :( |
| 07:54.40 | Torhal | I blame rid_ for being bad. |
| 07:54.48 | rid_ | :\ |
| 07:55.15 | Torhal | Now that he's nonplussed, I'm going to bed. |
| 07:56.13 | rid_ | good night |
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| 09:28.21 | tz | znf: cheers for those fonts :P |
| 09:28.34 | znf | you're welcomed! |
| 09:29.01 | tz | now if only I can bring myself away from using open sans condensed |
| 09:30.06 | znf | well, I can tell you this much: using pixel fonts in different addons is a pain |
| 09:30.20 | tz | not too surprising |
| 09:30.21 | znf | because you need to use them at the exact size (or 2x, 3x) for them to look good |
| 09:30.30 | tz | and everyone has their own scaling parameters |
| 09:30.34 | znf | Exactly... |
| 09:30.42 | znf | OmniCC is the biggest culprit so far :P |
| 09:32.32 | tz | now if only I can get semlar to put up that targeting arrow nameplate addon |
| 09:33.06 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.14 | tz | oooers |
| 09:33.32 | znf | Semlar, which, which? |
| 09:33.53 | Semlar | just the one i normally use |
| 09:34.09 | znf | oh, ok |
| 09:34.29 | Semlar | i thought i could restore the nameplates above their heads after i moved them but i don't think that's going to be possible |
| 09:34.40 | Semlar | the clickably part |
| 09:34.46 | znf | I'm looking for a damn "pixel" font that is best used at 12px with at least partial unicode support (something more than ascii...) |
| 09:35.49 | Semlar | hooge? |
| 09:36.11 | znf | I think that's 8 or 10 |
| 09:41.54 | tz | mmmm, they are pretty damn high |
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| 09:44.17 | Semlar | what are |
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| 09:45.34 | karl_w_w | http://www.bioglan.com.au/products/calamari-oil/calamari-gold-1000mg-30s/ I wonder what seafood they are going to make oil tablets out of next |
| 09:46.18 | Semlar | seagulls |
| 09:46.26 | karl_w_w | i remember when there was only cod liver oil |
| 09:46.40 | Semlar | i remember when there was only crude oil |
| 09:47.03 | karl_w_w | you're so crude |
| 09:48.41 | znf | man, wordpress.org is really taking up their time with the plugin approval process O.o |
| 09:49.34 | Cloudfoz | when did you submit it, 2 hours ago? ;-) |
| 09:51.20 | znf | almost 2 days ago! |
| 09:51.30 | znf | Currently there are 61 plugins in the review queue, 30 of which are awaiting their initial review. We appreciate your patience. |
| 09:51.31 | znf | :( |
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| 09:55.06 | tz | oh just vertically pretty high, off screen for current target |
| 10:02.49 | mikma | well semlar is often pretty high too, so figures he'd like to see the nameplates |
| 10:03.01 | tz | chuckled |
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| 10:09.26 | Breagha | Anybody awake who can tell me if GetMouseFocus() is no longer implemented? I keep getting an error when calling it: attempt to call global 'GetMouseFocus' (a nil value)' |
| 10:10.57 | mikma | no longer implemented |
| 10:11.00 | karl_w_w | wow, a damn arena deck with nat pagle and ragnaros in it |
| 10:11.08 | karl_w_w | these people are having a fucking joke |
| 10:11.30 | Breagha | Is there a substitute? |
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| 10:21.15 | Maldivia | ehh, GetMouseFocus should still exist... |
| 10:22.40 | Breagha | Why does it return nil? |
| 10:22.58 | Maldivia | PTR or Live? |
| 10:23.17 | Breagha | PTR? |
| 10:24.01 | Breagha | What does PTR mean? |
| 10:24.07 | Maldivia | public test realm |
| 10:24.16 | Maldivia | ie test version of next patch |
| 10:24.26 | Breagha | It's on live |
| 10:24.51 | Maldivia | the method exists on Live |
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| 10:33.41 | Maldivia | as for it being nil on your setup -- you (or one of the addons you have installed) have probably accidentally cleared it |
| 10:34.49 | Breagha | You made it work, then? |
| 10:35.37 | Maldivia | it works fine for me, returns the frame under the cursor as it's always done |
| 10:37.00 | Breagha | http://pastebin.com/hyCtkHt6 |
| 10:37.07 | Breagha | So that should work? |
| 10:37.29 | Breagha | Or is there a mistake somewhere? |
| 10:38.23 | Maldivia | looks ok |
| 10:38.35 | Breagha | Hmm... thank you :) |
| 10:38.35 | Maldivia | if you do a /dump GetMouseFocus |
| 10:39.09 | Maldivia | do you see something like function: ####### |
| 10:39.57 | Breagha | GetMouseFocus=<function [GetMouseFocus]> |
| 10:40.03 | mikma | is this for a private server |
| 10:40.09 | Breagha | No |
| 10:40.13 | Maldivia | mikma: GetMouseFocus still exists |
| 10:41.03 | Maldivia | mikma: returns the frame under the mouse (often WorldFrame) |
| 10:41.45 | Maldivia | Breagha: well, as you can see, the function exists -- do you by any chance have something like "local GetMouseFocus" somewhere earlier in your file? |
| 10:42.17 | Breagha | Not in my file, no... But I've collected quite a few addons by now |
| 10:42.56 | Maldivia | well, since you can /dump it, the global reference is there, so you should be able to use it in your addon code |
| 10:44.20 | Breagha | *nodnods* Not sure what I did wrong, but I deleted the code when it didn't work... I just needed it to see if I had named my frames correctly |
| 10:46.02 | Breagha | But I'm very new at scripting, so I can have done a lot of fun stuff wrong :P |
| 10:47.01 | Maldivia | you probabaly accidentally cleared the variable |
| 10:48.27 | Breagha | I'm not sure where that would have been, but I guess that's what happened :) |
| 10:55.43 | jleclanche | right after being sent an automated confirmation email: "You will receive this email within 7 days" |
| 10:55.50 | jleclanche | what was the point of email over snail mail again? |
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| 11:04.18 | Maldivia | no postage? |
| 11:06.12 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKFWE1xt_x0 heheh |
| 11:17.22 | znf | Woah @ Bitcoin :o |
| 11:17.57 | znf | http://www.businessinsider.com/mtgox-statement-on-withdrawals-2014-2 |
| 11:23.16 | Mr_Rabies | sell sell sell |
| 11:33.10 | Cloudfoz | buy buy buy |
| 11:33.22 | karl_w_w | ^ |
| 11:33.55 | Mr_Rabies | abandon ship, cash out, buy all the colloidal silver and donate to ron paul |
| 11:34.19 | airtonix | http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/kRzSImxqQtA/maxresdefault.jpg << I always knew that damn van was a reptile |
| 11:35.08 | Mr_Rabies | i met a dude at a convention that was using most of his work profits to purchase silver and then import anime dvds from japan for some insane reason |
| 11:35.39 | Cloudfoz | because he can? |
| 11:35.43 | Mr_Rabies | he gave me a macross 7 mini-artbook/promo book for free so i can't complain, but he's a bit of a nutter |
| 11:35.52 | Mr_Rabies | wonder if he's into bitcoins now, probably yes |
| 11:36.22 | Cloudfoz | shame my btc didn't sell before it crashed now |
| 11:36.27 | Cloudfoz | can't take advantage ^^ |
| 11:36.55 | Mr_Rabies | don't worry, next week it'll be worth between 2 and 900 dollars |
| 11:37.44 | znf | it's amazing how much power a single trading exchange has :D |
| 11:40.21 | Mr_Rabies | omg yessss http://cdn0.dailydot.com/uploaded/images/original/2013/12/11/applebitcoinhoax.png |
| 11:41.17 | airtonix | hey guys, bit coin isn't important... i've just discovered that van damme is a reptile |
| 11:41.39 | airtonix | quite simply THE biggest scientific discovery this century |
| 11:42.06 | airtonix | i can understand you ay have missed the link, so i'll past it again for those with a 1 line irc history buffer |
| 11:42.07 | Mr_Rabies | hollywood is full of reptilians, what else is new |
| 11:42.11 | airtonix | http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/kRzSImxqQtA/maxresdefault.jpg |
| 11:42.19 | Mr_Rabies | dinosaur empire is among us |
| 11:42.40 | Mr_Rabies | i have to make a ytmnd of that airtonix |
| 11:42.40 | Mr_Rabies | thanks |
| 11:44.08 | airtonix | i thought it might have been a emsbcihy? |
| 11:44.33 | airtonix | not even sure how you thought it could be anything else |
| 11:44.51 | airtonix | what a disgustingly primitve mind you shuffle along with |
| 11:45.20 | airtonix | unless of course you're high on cocaine, in which case i'd just call you rude for not sharing |
| 11:48.07 | airtonix | by the way, some great looking movies coming out this year. Don't bother playing Dayz it's crap. |
| 11:52.41 | Mr_Rabies | airtonix http://jcvdinosaur.ytmnd.com/ |
| 11:52.50 | Mr_Rabies | way too lazy to find a better rip of that sound |
| 11:56.34 | airtonix | the most important thing you need to remember is to never buy dayz |
| 11:57.55 | Mr_Rabies | why not? i liked the mod |
| 11:58.12 | airtonix | which is why you'll be utterly dissapointed by the standalone |
| 11:58.16 | Mr_Rabies | i mean, it's not done yet, but it is being worked on |
| 11:58.24 | Mr_Rabies | i'm actually more looking forward to rust, personally |
| 11:58.26 | airtonix | no that's an excuse |
| 11:59.09 | airtonix | rust is just a supoertroll game, which dean hall aspires to emulate with shitty implementations of concepts already tried and true tested in other games |
| 11:59.45 | Mr_Rabies | that's the magic of games like dayz and rust, though |
| 11:59.52 | Mr_Rabies | they're perfect zombie/horror movies |
| 11:59.54 | airtonix | err no? |
| 11:59.59 | airtonix | they're not even zombies |
| 12:00.14 | Mr_Rabies | the real enemy of the story isn't the zombies, it's the other people |
| 12:00.29 | airtonix | they're just atheletes high on bath salts there to be an annoying pvp mechanic |
| 12:01.05 | Mr_Rabies | when resources are scarce and punishment is risk of death or nothing whatsoever, when society breaks down |
| 12:01.20 | Mr_Rabies | dayz's pretty good at simulating that, though again, it's far from complete |
| 12:01.30 | airtonix | blah blah blah whatever. it's dumb because there isn't 1000 of them around you |
| 12:01.42 | airtonix | i don't think you really understand |
| 12:01.46 | airtonix | it will never be complete |
| 12:01.55 | airtonix | because dean hall is incapable of getting it there |
| 12:02.14 | airtonix | if he was, the mod would be bug free, and he wouldn't be using a shitty game engine like reality virtual |
| 12:02.41 | airtonix | the only thing reality virtual is good at is simulating all the things in the worst technical way |
| 12:02.48 | Mr_Rabies | it's on the arma 2 engine, though modified, right? |
| 12:02.57 | airtonix | hence: "reality virtual" |
| 12:03.18 | Mr_Rabies | i've never heard that term |
| 12:03.25 | airtonix | it's what it's called |
| 12:03.46 | Mr_Rabies | oh, apparently it's "Real Virtuality" |
| 12:03.54 | Mr_Rabies | though i've never heard that either |
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| 12:04.15 | airtonix | to be honest, he should have moved to outerra as the engine |
| 12:04.26 | Mr_Rabies | isn't outerra just a terrain simulator? |
| 12:04.30 | Mr_Rabies | with really, really basic stuff otherwise? |
| 12:04.41 | airtonix | and one machine per server with only single thread and no multicore support? lulz |
| 12:05.53 | Mr_Rabies | i think rust's doing development much better at this point, but we'll see what's better in the end |
| 12:06.09 | Mr_Rabies | the arma 2 engine is pretty janky, but hopefully since he's at bohemia now he can modify it for his needs |
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| 12:07.12 | Mr_Rabies | i think one thing dayz has over rust is the size of the game world |
| 12:07.37 | Mr_Rabies | rust however does have the advantage of being expandable to a much larger degree, and has an actual development team, not just one dude |
| 12:07.40 | JC33 | Is there any way to extract the fonts from WOW as ttf files? |
| 12:08.51 | airtonix | oh you have no idea how crap the arma 2 engine is Mr_Rabies |
| 12:09.21 | airtonix | but dean hall isn't the only one fumbling the development. |
| 12:09.39 | Mr_Rabies | i definitely do, i've played enough to understand its quirks |
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| 12:09.47 | Mr_Rabies | arma 3 seems much improved in comparison |
| 12:09.50 | airtonix | wait till you think about making mods for it |
| 12:09.54 | airtonix | it's the lulz |
| 12:10.17 | Mr_Rabies | i made a face texture 'mod' :v |
| 12:10.58 | Mr_Rabies | i'll leave that to people with much more patience than me |
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| 12:11.17 | Mr_Rabies | a friend of mine's making a survival mod for arma 3 last i checked and he said it was pretty simple, but i dunno |
| 12:11.18 | airtonix | arma 3 is an improvement on the situation |
| 12:11.29 | airtonix | but making mods for it isn't any different |
| 12:11.50 | zenzio_ | Arma was never really meant to be a mod platform |
| 12:12.23 | airtonix | http://alivemod.com/ < these guys have apparently enabled object orientated programming with arma 3 mods |
| 12:12.25 | Mr_Rabies | it's not really meant as a large-scale multiplayer game either, it seems, even though it can seemingly support large numbers of players |
| 12:12.42 | airtonix | it would if it's netcode wasn't utter shite |
| 12:12.54 | airtonix | and the server actually ran on more than one core and thread |
| 12:12.56 | Mr_Rabies | it seems far more built for playing with your friends where you don't really worry about cheaters |
| 12:13.00 | airtonix | and ran on linux |
| 12:13.02 | zenzio | you seem to have strong felings about it airtonix; did it hurt you? |
| 12:13.13 | airtonix | yes, it touched me in my private parts |
| 12:13.24 | zenzio | Arma is basically just Flashpoint with improvements made after the military took interest |
| 12:13.27 | airtonix | it felt funny |
| 12:14.03 | airtonix | I'm more interested in what the Epoch team do with arma 3 than anything dean hall does. |
| 12:14.09 | Mr_Rabies | here's a video of some of my pals testing out arma 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIOdvudSJLk |
| 12:14.20 | Mr_Rabies | i don't get your vendetta against dean hall, he seems pretty cool to me |
| 12:14.22 | airtonix | oh i have arma 3 |
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| 12:14.28 | Mr_Rabies | but he is just one dude |
| 12:14.33 | airtonix | because he's incompetent |
| 12:14.45 | airtonix | and suffers from NIH |
| 12:14.51 | Mr_Rabies | NIH? |
| 12:15.12 | airtonix | Not Invented Here |
| 12:15.22 | Mr_Rabies | he got a lot more people to buy arma 2 than bohemia ever did, so i think he deserves that at the least |
| 12:15.31 | zenzio | I have no interest in Hall or his stuff; but I'm one of the Flashpoint/Arma fanboys |
| 12:15.32 | Mr_Rabies | what's that mean, airtonix? |
| 12:15.33 | airtonix | whoopdy do |
| 12:16.11 | Mr_Rabies | oh, that arma video is nsfw for language, bloops |
| 12:16.20 | airtonix | Mr_Rabies: it means despite common gaming problems already being solved by smarter people with more money, he thinks he can do better with his lack of experience and inferior budget and tools |
| 12:16.58 | Mr_Rabies | i'm okay with someone taking something as a personal project and wanting it to be theirs, wanting to learn how to do it themselves |
| 12:17.12 | airtonix | so instead of doing what he does best, namely creating gameplay ideas and sotrylines... he ends up wasting time creating shitty code |
| 12:17.53 | Mr_Rabies | i felt like most of the problems in the mod version were limitations of the arma 2 engine, and he's gonna have to work those out before it's ready |
| 12:18.06 | airtonix | i mean it doesn't help that he doesn't have a senior programmer around who avoids bad practices... instead he has bohemia interactive and all their reallly old school ideals |
| 12:18.24 | Mr_Rabies | the AI is a nightmare for Arma II, that was the biggest issue |
| 12:18.36 | Mr_Rabies | the zombies would just spaz the f out and murder everyone's CPU |
| 12:18.41 | airtonix | made worse by the shitty scripting language |
| 12:19.16 | airtonix | so hey, we have Dean Hall, suffere of NIH and we have Bohemia Interactive, College of NIH... perfect fit |
| 12:19.47 | zenzio | you paid for early access Day Z, didn't you |
| 12:19.57 | zenzio | only way I can see how you'd be quite this vocal =D |
| 12:19.57 | airtonix | brb, submit a suggestion: Design, Create and Invent a method for transporting ascii data between client and server |
| 12:20.19 | airtonix | lets see if they spend time re-inventing http |
| 12:21.16 | airtonix | zenzio: if you have arma 3, you should really checkout a.l.i.v.e |
| 12:21.32 | airtonix | http://alivemod.com/#Media |
| 12:21.59 | Mr_Rabies | i don't see anything inherently wrong with what they're doing, i think he's free to complete the game on his time as he sees fit |
| 12:22.11 | zenzio | airtonix: thanks, I will |
| 12:23.01 | airtonix | well apparent Mr_Rabies, he or bohemia have no intention of fixing any of the deep rooted performance issues, which means any of these littel poorly thought out band aid fixes (like the logout timer) are just going to cuase more problems |
| 12:23.46 | Mr_Rabies | i honestly feel he should port it to the arma 3 engine but that's his option |
| 12:23.54 | airtonix | at the very least |
| 12:24.59 | Mr_Rabies | i think rust is doing it right by getting most of the gameplay down first, then building assets |
| 12:25.30 | Mr_Rabies | hopefully garry can get a larger map and he's not limited to what he's got by unity |
| 12:26.15 | airtonix | not only that but he's using a platform that won't lead to commercial suicide when gaming moves to linux |
| 12:26.31 | airtonix | because our lord and saviour will surely deliver |
| 12:27.16 | Mr_Rabies | they've got basically one shot at it |
| 12:27.35 | Mr_Rabies | gabe's given linux a chance, if it's not taken, it's basically gonna be over for quite some time |
| 12:27.48 | airtonix | christianity has already failed. it's time for linux to reign supreme |
| 12:27.53 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 12:28.22 | znf | ALL HAIL THE PENGUIN |
| 12:28.42 | Mr_Rabies | one of the key components to christianity's success early on was its accessibility, linux folks might want to take some inspiration from that |
| 12:29.43 | airtonix | open source not accesible enough for you heathen? |
| 12:30.26 | airtonix | we will not make the mistake of the false religion from Gates by trying to control who can use it. |
| 12:31.01 | Mr_Rabies | linux limits who can use it to basically programmers even at this point |
| 12:31.07 | airtonix | anyway. don't buy dayz. get arma 3 instead |
| 12:31.07 | znf | Not really |
| 12:31.23 | znf | If all you do is facebook and whatever social crap is out there, you can live on linux just fine |
| 12:31.29 | airtonix | my grandma can install ubuntu |
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| 12:31.54 | Mr_Rabies | gabe's giving it a chance with valve's work on steamOS, but every chance towards accessibility is generally shot down by stallman-esque supernerds |
| 12:32.08 | airtonix | i mean if using a mouse to click next next next is too hard for you, then i totally agree with you that linux may be too hard for you |
| 12:34.53 | Mr_Rabies | it certainly takes more than clicking through wizards to install ubuntu, plus i thought the powernerds that declare every year the year of the linux desktop hated ubuntu? |
| 12:35.14 | znf | I like Ubuntu |
| 12:35.27 | znf | I moved from Debian to Ubuntu-Server years ago, never looked back |
| 12:35.41 | airtonix | no it really is as simple as clicking next next next next |
| 12:36.02 | airtonix | oh you're right, you have to type a username and password |
| 12:36.10 | Mr_Rabies | if you're already in windows, sure, you could do that weird ubuntu-within-windows thing i guess, airtonix |
| 12:36.22 | airtonix | no? |
| 12:36.29 | Mr_Rabies | or maybe order a cd from canonical if they still do that |
| 12:36.46 | airtonix | plug in usb, reboot, next next next next. bam |
| 12:37.11 | Mr_Rabies | otherwise you gotta get an iso, burn it, boot to it, install the OS, hope nothing goes horribly wrong due to legendarily terrible hardware support |
| 12:37.26 | airtonix | lulwut? |
| 12:37.54 | Mr_Rabies | most people have no clue how to boot to cd or flash drive |
| 12:38.20 | Mr_Rabies | plus nowadays you gotta turn off UEFI, etc to get it to boot, which is another step most people can't figure out |
| 12:39.54 | Mr_Rabies | at this rate linux is still quite a ways off unless pre-configured steamOS machines really take off |
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| 13:47.21 | znf | mkay, I tried that Flappy Birds game. I can see why someone would want to smash their phone to pieces. |
| 13:48.17 | Fisker | I can't |
| 13:48.29 | Fisker | I would uninstall the game |
| 13:48.41 | Fisker | realize the game was made to be "hard" on purpose and not bother with it |
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| 14:07.13 | Kalroth | Fisker: spoken like a true paladin! |
| 14:08.32 | Fisker | hey Kalroth |
| 14:08.37 | Fisker | why won't this pki shit just work? |
| 14:09.33 | Kalroth | stop breaking it |
| 14:10.06 | Fisker | I'm not |
| 14:10.12 | Fisker | this pki shit won't work on xp |
| 14:10.22 | Fisker | keeps saying the certificate couldn't be validated |
| 14:10.43 | Fisker | Even though I already installed hotfixes and decreased security |
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| 14:41.24 | Dagmar | Fisker: Validate the chain manually |
| 14:41.33 | Fisker | nope |
| 14:41.37 | Fisker | I found the issue |
| 14:41.55 | Dagmar | Let me guess... It's because XP admins are involved, isn't it. |
| 14:42.17 | Fisker | nope |
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| 14:42.29 | Fisker | XP doesn't support the way the certificated was generated |
| 14:42.33 | Dagmar | That would make the problem a new one then |
| 14:42.40 | Fisker | It is |
| 14:42.44 | bluipodcow | Lol XP |
| 14:42.46 | Dagmar | Around here, the answer to a lot of shit is "The AD people were involved" |
| 14:42.52 | bluipodcow | So poor |
| 14:42.56 | Fisker | I'm recreating our PKI because some retard deleted our root certificate |
| 14:43.07 | Dagmar | Fisker: Was it created properly in the first place? |
| 14:43.13 | amro | don't be so hard on yourself Fisker |
| 14:43.15 | Fisker | the old one? |
| 14:44.49 | Dagmar | yes. |
| 14:45.26 | Dagmar | ...becuase let me assure you, our admins are so pro they managed to even fuck that part up. |
| 14:45.45 | Lopeppeppy | Derrrrrrrrp. "This application requires MySQL 5.1 or higher." What version of MySQL do you think that WE are running? /wrists |
| 14:45.53 | Dagmar | One of those things about a self-signed CA is that it needs to be self-signed. They failed. |
| 14:46.15 | Dagmar | They tried to get fancy and signed another cert, and put it out there. |
| 14:46.29 | Dagmar | ...and then they lost the original cert, which wasn't acutally self-signed either. |
| 14:46.49 | mitch0 | Lopeppeppy: that's what you get for not migrating to postgres already |
| 14:47.08 | Dagmar | So... I've no fucking clue how our AD servers are supposed to be checking this shit, and am pleasantly suprised every time another server actually tolerates communicating with them long enough for a single AD-LDAP transaction. |
| 14:48.43 | Lopeppeppy | They're babbling back and forth about why skipping 6.0 and waiting for 7.x is desirable, except that 5.1 has been a requirement for at least a year and how surprising it is that issues have only started cropping up now... Argh. They're nickle and diming our web server to death again. |
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| 14:49.36 | Fisker | ooh |
| 14:49.40 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:49.44 | Fisker | Didn't see you there |
| 14:50.12 | Fisker | how do you fail at that Dagmar |
| 14:50.20 | Fisker | It's actually somewhat easy to setup |
| 14:50.25 | Fisker | It's more the part about diagnosing issues |
| 14:50.30 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, sweetums. I was hiding behind the MySQL failure card, and your XP certificate. |
| 14:50.46 | Fisker | Yep |
| 14:51.04 | Fisker | which reminds me when I get this working |
| 14:51.11 | Fisker | I have to install an update on like 1500 computers |
| 14:51.23 | Fisker | because obviously Microsoft wouldn't put it as part of the regular windows update |
| 14:53.36 | Dagmar | Fisker: It's easy to fail at when basically, you're as incompetent as these jokers. |
| 14:54.19 | Dagmar | Their LDAP support contractor actually _gave up_ on trying to get core dumps for something out of them after a month of them failing to be able to follow simple instructions. |
| 14:54.31 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.37 | Dagmar | Took me all of twelve minutes to get the things making core dumps. |
| 14:55.22 | Dagmar | One of them was asking me if I wanted to see the emails the support vendor had sent them. |
| 14:55.34 | Dagmar | I just had to pretend to not hear that. |
| 14:55.41 | zenzio | if anyone recalls me complaining about Apache/PHP segfaulting, I finally tracked down the culprit... '$sql = preg_replace("/\"(\\\\\"|[^\"])*\"/Us", '', $sql);'. On certain values, that would recurse itself into a segfault |
| 14:55.50 | Fisker | :( Dagmar |
| 14:56.03 | Fisker | aww man |
| 14:56.05 | Fisker | work over |
| 14:56.06 | Fisker | RIP |
| 15:01.21 | Dagmar | zenzio: Root problem: PHP developers |
| 15:01.28 | zenzio | won't deny that |
| 15:01.31 | Dagmar | heh |
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| 15:43.48 | Lopeppeppy | That gives me nightmares and I'm still awake, zenzio. If I dream about that when I'm having surgery tomorrow, I will curse you when I awake. |
| 15:46.20 | Ackis | dental surgery right Lopeppeppy? |
| 15:46.38 | Lopeppeppy | Yah. Wisdom tooth has turned stupid and must die. |
| 15:46.42 | Cairenn | :( |
| 15:46.46 | Ackis | aww |
| 15:46.54 | Ackis | make sure you wear comfortable clothing |
| 15:47.04 | Thunder_Child | It's not much of a surgery anymore. |
| 15:47.08 | Cairenn | hands Lopeppeppy an ice pack and some T3s |
| 15:47.27 | Dagmar | http://www.harborfreight.com/4-3-4-quarter-inch-bent-needle-nose-pliers-40698.html <-- way cheaper |
| 15:47.30 | Lopeppeppy | I've been on T3 all week, I hope they have more waiting. |
| 15:47.34 | Ackis | I wore jogging pants and a nice ratty but comfortable t-shirt Lopeppeppy |
| 15:47.58 | Lopeppeppy | They recommend sweat pants and a loose t shirt. Sounds good, then The Boyfriend can just pour me into bed afterward and no worries. |
| 15:48.09 | Ackis | the nurses were cute and my last thought before I went unconscious was something about hoping I don't get an erection while I'm out cold because I have jogging pants on |
| 15:48.19 | Cairenn | lol |
| 15:48.27 | Dagmar | Ackis: You are really looking at that the wrong way |
| 15:48.59 | Dagmar | Ackis: Just in case they don't have the sense to check your file, write your home phone number on your shirt. |
| 15:49.17 | Ackis | hehe |
| 15:49.30 | Ackis | "I'm single, here's my number, call me maybe?" |
| 15:50.05 | Lopeppeppy | Nurses know how to take care of the stray penis, Ackis. One hard whack with a ruler and the willie goes to sleep too. |
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| 15:50.25 | Fisker | Depends on my fetish |
| 15:50.30 | Fisker | Also I have penis on highlight |
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| 15:51.57 | rid_ | penis |
| 15:52.07 | Fisker | yep |
| 16:05.33 | Lopeppeppy | You have weird highlights, Fisker. |
| 16:05.46 | Fisker | Yep |
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| 16:21.52 | Wayf | shooting in the dark here again, maybe someone here knows what's up.. |
| 16:22.11 | Wayf | Shadowed Unit Frames, Party bar - that's how it looks in configuration mode, and how I would like it to appear |
| 16:22.57 | Wayf | http://puu.sh/6R00O.png - and this is how it looks when I unlock it, why doesn't it overlap? |
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| 16:23.43 | Wayf | and, the worst of all - the party growth makes no sense at all |
| 16:23.58 | Wayf | here's how it looks with only one party member showing, http://puu.sh/6R03W.png |
| 16:24.12 | Wayf | makes no sense.. |
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| 16:28.42 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: I b'leeve it was you asking about the systemd fail last week. http://ewontfix.com/14/ More details |
| 16:30.08 | Lopeppeppy | Oh no, I think you've got the wrong gal, Dagmar. Unless I was taking a t3 at work that day, which I did once just to see if I could and discovered I shouldn't... |
| 16:30.21 | Dagmar | Heh okay |
| 16:34.00 | Amarande | Wayf: my personal preference has always been to dispense with the SUF party frames altogether |
| 16:34.14 | Amarande | normally, I disable all teammate frames right off the bat with SUF and use Grid for party/raid members |
| 16:34.54 | Amarande | I do love SUF for personal frames, but I find that for starters full-size unit frames for group members just take up way too much room |
| 16:36.19 | Amarande | TBH, half the time you don't even really need to see your teammates' unit frames unless you're a healer anyway |
| 16:36.30 | Amarande | and then Grid tends to be the most efficient option |
| 16:37.20 | Amarande | maybe if you're a tank, but again, that's mostly in the matter of noting "crap, (name)'s health is dropping, I need to get something off him" and again Grid is sufficient |
| 16:37.41 | Wayf | yeah, Amarande - I guess I should venture over to a different addon for the party frame |
| 16:37.53 | Wayf | this is driving me nuts. |
| 16:38.01 | Wayf | can I get Grid to look similar to the one I have? |
| 16:38.26 | nevcairiel | grid has its own defined look and you cant really do all that much to change it |
| 16:38.40 | Wayf | hrmph |
| 16:39.12 | Amarande | still, you really don't need to know much about your teammates in most cases (that shows up well enough on unit frames to really act upon in the heat of battle) except for health |
| 16:39.22 | Amarande | either to know that someone's pulled aggro or that you need to heal someone |
| 16:39.36 | nevcairiel | SUF is very flexible, you can configure it to show as little or as much information you need |
| 16:39.52 | Wayf | yeah, I really, really like how I can configure it in SUF, nevcairiel |
| 16:39.59 | Wayf | but this positioning is.. not working properly |
| 16:40.06 | Wayf | and don't know if it's fixable |
| 16:40.20 | Amarande | perhaps debuffs, but I wouldn't rely on the unit frames to note those, anything significant enough to shout out and act on quickly, you need something "loud" like boss warnings |
| 16:40.22 | nevcairiel | you somehow missed to post your configuration mode screenshot |
| 16:40.32 | Amarande | by the time you notice the little dot or icon on the unit frame you've probably missed the time window to act :S |
| 16:40.52 | Wayf | my bad, nevcairiel - second |
| 16:41.09 | Wayf | http://puu.sh/6R11Q.png |
| 16:41.28 | Amarande | mind you, that's assuming the game even GIVES you a time window to act and it's not one of those cheap arse moves where you basically have to have it ingrained into muscle memory and reflex to stand a chance on it :) |
| 16:41.30 | Wayf | always liked to use party frames, Amarande, goes back over a decade |
| 16:41.37 | nevcairiel | Amarande: if you're a healer you look at those frames anyway, and there is more obvious things like colored overlays and glowing borders. I have no time to read a text message in the middle of my screen to figure out how, and then find his frame to click on |
| 16:41.59 | Amarande | yeah, it's been a while since I've been a healer, and even then I've only done it in 5's |
| 16:42.03 | Wayf | see how nicely they line up on the config screen, nevcairiel? |
| 16:42.11 | Amarande | which are pretty sedate matters, and generally pretty forgiving |
| 16:42.12 | nevcairiel | Wayf: looks like its anchored to the center and expands weirdly with less players |
| 16:42.32 | nevcairiel | you should probably anchor it to some corner |
| 16:42.32 | Amarande | except for that one death knight that cussed me out because I let him die because he wouldn't stop standing in fire and as a disc priest I suffer a *big* loss of efficiency if I'm not sticking to the tank |
| 16:43.11 | Amarande | like, dude, it's freaking regular utgarde keep, we don't really NEED all our DPS to be up anyway, and WILL YOU STOP STANDING IN FIRE YOU DUNCE |
| 16:43.13 | Amarande | heh |
| 16:43.25 | Wayf | anchor it to some corner and try to change the X/Y offset |
| 16:43.27 | Wayf | I'll give it a shot |
| 16:43.39 | Amarande | and I even gave him the luxury of getting a rez instead of making him run back, on top of that! heh |
| 16:44.25 | nevcairiel | top left is probably best, and yeah you need to adjust the offsets again then |
| 16:44.47 | Dagmar | Amarande: Some people only know what they're idiot friends repeat |
| 16:44.51 | Dagmar | s/they're/their/ |
| 16:46.25 | Amarande | (if you haven't guessed, said DK kept failing at staying out of dragon breath in the drake section) |
| 16:46.53 | Amarande | yeah, some people need to put more effort into understanding their class |
| 16:47.01 | nevcairiel | if you cant heal through some idiot standing in everything in a 5man, you're a bad healer |
| 16:47.10 | Amarande | like I do, unlike other people who keep falling flat during leveling, I'm usually the guy who epic saved things |
| 16:47.37 | Amarande | nev: it was more like he wouldn't stop doing it when he was told about it so eventually I stopped bothering to heal him :| |
| 16:47.58 | Amarande | at first I healed him through standing in it, but it was clear he wasn't going to learn without a harsher lesson |
| 16:48.20 | Wayf | I can't get it to lock the position of party member #1, nevcairiel - it still flops around when there's only one person |
| 16:48.36 | nevcairiel | Wayf: whats the anchoring say? |
| 16:48.36 | Amarande | and yeah, I may be a good enough healer to deal with it, but I'm also not much of one to suffer letting people get away with stupidity over and over |
| 16:49.31 | Amarande | unless it's a situation where the group is actually in danger if the person goes down, and I can avert that danger by sucking it up and healing them through their dumb |
| 16:49.34 | Wayf | http://puu.sh/6R1sE.png - sorting method |
| 16:49.36 | Wayf | http://puu.sh/6R1td.png - anchors |
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| 16:49.49 | Wayf | bet they're a mess right now as I've tinkered with everything |
| 16:49.51 | Amarande | however, like I said ... this was regular UK, it's not like he was going to take the group with him if he died, so ... eff him :P |
| 16:50.20 | Dagmar | We've three-manned that one |
| 16:50.20 | nevcairiel | Wayf: where do you want the single player? in the bottom row? |
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| 16:51.07 | Wayf | I want party member #1 to appear over the top right corner of the minimap |
| 16:51.23 | Wayf | and STAY there, and party member #2 to appear on the left next to it |
| 16:51.41 | nevcairiel | top right eh, then grow should be left and up, that you have |
| 16:51.52 | nevcairiel | anchor should probably be bottom right then |
| 16:52.13 | Amarande | Dagmar: exactly. and maybe after that experience, he'll learn not to stand in avoidable AoEs |
| 16:52.20 | Wayf | Manual Positio - Point: Bottom Right? |
| 16:52.27 | Wayf | Anchor to only gives me options for other SUF units |
| 16:52.29 | Amarande | whereas if I just healed the guy, he'd probably have gone right ahead to 80 and beyond as a load for every group he joined |
| 16:52.35 | Amarande | *hopefully* he learned, anyways |
| 16:52.41 | nevcairiel | Wayf: yeah, set point to bottom right, leave relative point as-is |
| 16:52.41 | Dagmar | Hell, I jump out of the way of area heals if no one tells me what they are |
| 16:52.51 | Dagmar | I've had random druids comment on that before |
| 16:52.53 | nevcairiel | since the bottom right is where you grow from |
| 16:53.03 | Dagmar | I move first, think later. |
| 16:53.03 | nevcairiel | so its your fixed point |
| 16:53.36 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh and you never know when they'll make a boss with AoE damage zones that look all inviting and flowery and identical to druid AoE HoT's :) |
| 16:53.49 | Amarande | now THAT will be a hoot to see if they ever do it ... LOL |
| 16:53.55 | Dagmar | That would be _evil_. |
| 16:54.07 | Amarande | Yeah, that's up there with that save point in I Wanna Be The Guy :) |
| 16:54.09 | nevcairiel | they wouldnt do that |
| 16:54.18 | Dagmar | You never know. |
| 16:54.22 | Wayf | still behaves the same, nevcairiel - party member #1 goes to the center when I hide myselfr from the group, nevcairiel |
| 16:54.24 | Wayf | so annoying! |
| 16:54.26 | Dagmar | It would be a great thing as a joke tho |
| 16:54.50 | Dagmar | if some boss were to cast lifebloom on an area just to trick players into standing next to the bomb that's about to go off. |
| 16:55.48 | Dagmar | ...and it is pretty funny when the healer in an LFG notices the dwarf that tends to run away from lifebloom |
| 16:56.22 | nevcairiel | hm where do i get a party to test |
| 16:56.29 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: can i invite you for testing? :D |
| 16:56.30 | Wayf | got it, nevcairiel |
| 16:56.33 | Wayf | I fixed it! |
| 16:56.39 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: nevermind |
| 16:56.39 | Wayf | and your help was very useful, thanks =) |
| 16:56.40 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 16:56.44 | nevcairiel | Wayf: great it works |
| 16:57.18 | Wayf | http://puu.sh/6R1TI.png empty party |
| 16:57.20 | Stanzilla | ok! |
| 16:57.21 | Wayf | http://puu.sh/6R1U7.png two player party |
| 16:57.51 | nevcairiel | what was the missing knob to turn? |
| 16:57.54 | Wayf | I tinkered with the settings under "Anchor to another frame", for reference |
| 16:58.16 | Wayf | Anchor point: Left Bottom -- Anchor to still set on Screen |
| 16:58.26 | Wayf | then changed the X/Y offsets manually, without dragging the bar on the screen |
| 16:58.40 | nevcairiel | weird, oh well as long as all is right now |
| 16:58.43 | Wayf | even the configuration bars line up perfectly now |
| 16:59.02 | nevcairiel | anchoring can sometimes be a bit weird |
| 16:59.12 | Wayf | yeah, seems so |
| 16:59.59 | Wayf | and while I've been standing here in Elwynn Forest I've been offered over 3000g for my grey armor |
| 17:00.15 | Wayf | also someone wanted to take me to a dark room and "@£$@£ on your @£$@", he offered 1000g |
| 17:00.21 | nevcairiel | i should hang around in elwynn more |
| 17:00.23 | Wayf | haven't turned off profanity yet, haha |
| 17:00.36 | Wayf | it's on an RP server too |
| 17:01.27 | Dagmar | That explains pretty much everything, actually. |
| 17:02.12 | Wayf | haha, I suppose it does |
| 17:02.40 | Wayf | I went through Stormwind before, it was very different than on a regular server |
| 17:02.52 | Wayf | people didn't run, 60% used the walk mode |
| 17:03.11 | Wayf | and there were tons of people sitting on benches all over town |
| 17:03.20 | Wayf | especially the little square in front of the citadel |
| 17:03.39 | Amarande | heh |
| 17:03.45 | Amarande | I'm still surprised RP servers have survived as well as they have |
| 17:03.56 | Dagmar | Well, if you run, it means you have to keep one hand on the keyboard and one hand on the mouse, which doesn't leave any hands free for "other things". |
| 17:04.03 | Wayf | hah |
| 17:04.20 | Wayf | it's very pleasant, Amarande, the people are much more friendly |
| 17:04.25 | Wayf | .. don't mind the Elwynn perverts |
| 17:04.26 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 17:04.33 | Amarande | Wayf: mainly it seemed to be a very prevalent thought among RP players that CRZ was going to utterly destroy RP servers |
| 17:05.01 | Amarande | because way different, established communities would get forcibly puree'd together into a chaotic mishmosh |
| 17:05.01 | Wayf | ah, good point |
| 17:05.16 | Dagmar | Thankfully, all the non-RP people screaming "WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS" at the devs convinced them that perhaps the RP servers should mainly keep to themselves |
| 17:05.29 | Wayf | I'm glad! |
| 17:05.32 | Amarande | Dagmar: it was RP servers worried about OTHER RP servers, mostly |
| 17:05.45 | Dagmar | 'cuz imagine you're used to "normal" Elwynn where people just kill each other constantly |
| 17:05.57 | Amarande | like the more serious places like Wyrmrest Accord being absolutely (probably justifiably in some cases) livid about the idea that now they would be randomly mixed with lite-RP servers like Moon Guard |
| 17:06.15 | Amarande | and hell, even if you've got two serious RP servers and mix them up you can get pretty chaotic |
| 17:06.21 | Amarande | how did I liken CRZ for RP servers |
| 17:06.48 | Dagmar | You just started a new character, you're bringing back some bits of kobold to sell... and then... you go into the tavern. |
| 17:06.52 | Amarande | oh, yeah. I likened it to a D&D tabletop group where you have two DMs running separate groups and all of a sudden they decide to force each group to play in the opposite DM's world without warning or consent |
| 17:06.58 | Dagmar | i.e., "Pervert Palace" |
| 17:07.08 | Wayf | =D |
| 17:07.35 | Wayf | and it's a decent anology, Amarande |
| 17:08.01 | Dagmar | It would be a more accurate analogy if half those players were some of the worst oversexed people to ever disgrace thsmelves at DragonCon |
| 17:08.36 | Wayf | how demanding is it on the game/my computer to run two different addons? one for party/raid bars and one for player/target frames etc |
| 17:08.44 | Wayf | eh, now that I think about it, most people do that, don't they? |
| 17:08.53 | Wayf | unit frames + grid |
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| 17:25.16 | nevcairiel | many people use their unit frames for raid frames as well |
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| 17:25.37 | nevcairiel | it certainly adds a bit of processing, so if you have performance issues running two unit frame addons is not a great idea |
| 17:25.45 | Wayf | =| |
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| 17:26.14 | Wayf | if only Shadowed allowed the use of completely free hp/mana bar placing |
| 17:30.50 | Shirik | I just got an email saying "you are about to receive an email" |
| 17:30.58 | Shirik | I feel like this is the best |
| 17:31.14 | Wayf | foreshadowing |
| 17:31.20 | nevcairiel | only time i get those is when the first mail announces an encrypted mail and tells me how to deal with it |
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| 17:38.19 | Humbedooh | mmm that was goodde food |
| 17:38.42 | Humbedooh | silently moves into the correct channel |
| 17:38.44 | Amarande | Shirik: what's fun is when some company gives you a phone call and tells you "please hold, we have an important call for you" and sends you straight to hold |
| 17:39.19 | Amarande | I mean it's one thing if you call someone else and are placed into a hold queue |
| 17:39.30 | Amarande | but ... a company that makes you answer their phone call without notice, AND THEN PUTS YOU ON HOLD FOR IT, WTF |
| 17:39.54 | Amarande | it's like "oh, our company expects that you'll have several minutes to spare to stand around on hold without prior notice!" |
| 17:40.42 | Dagmar | afaik that's not legal |
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| 17:41.05 | Amarande | at work we usually hang up on those sort anyway :S |
| 17:41.11 | Dagmar | ...although some college-level cluebies actually did a study just to see how long people would sit there and wait. |
| 17:41.13 | Amarande | or if we do hold they get hung up on eventually anyway because we have to go help a customer |
| 17:41.37 | Amarande | heck, half the time when we have to call some other company ourselves and get stuck on hold we have to give up on it because we have to go help a customer :) |
| 17:43.35 | Shirik | is a cluebie a good thing or a bad thing? |
| 17:44.19 | Dagmar | usually it's someone on the hunt for clue |
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| 17:45.02 | Amarande | hm, I thought it usually referred to people who didn't have a clue and can't be arsed to get one |
| 17:45.16 | Amarande | in other words, the kind of people who make you want to bang your head into the wall till you get multiple concussion syndrome and expire |
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| 17:56.42 | Neffi | Dagmar: I wonder how that went |
| 17:56.56 | Neffi | 2 hours later: "thank you for holding. This has been a scientific study. Have a good day." |
| 17:57.05 | Dagmar | IIRC they found people will put up with a lot of waiting |
| 17:57.18 | Neffi | Those people have some crazy patience |
| 17:57.19 | Dagmar | I'm generally just waiting to verbally abuse someone when I get a call like that |
| 17:57.34 | Dagmar | I waited 28 minutes to try and destroy someone's self-esteem this weekend |
| 17:57.39 | Neffi | I don't let the robotic voice finish its sentence, let alone wait for a real voice |
| 17:59.07 | Dagmar | I think, all things considered, that I did a pretty good job |
| 17:59.18 | Dagmar | They hung up on me after 12 minutes |
| 17:59.33 | Neffi | They put you on hold and hung up on you? |
| 18:00.10 | Neffi | I would do a phone number look up, find the building that call is coming from, get the line to the boss or their secretary, and repeatedly call for the next couple hours |
| 18:00.21 | Dagmar | No, after I called the helpful 1-800 number, I sat on hold for 28 minutes, and then I started asking questions like "You know, I bet you can make more money just slapping burritos together, and not have some pinhead on your butt about 'numbers' all the time." |
| 18:00.21 | Neffi | See how they like it |
| 18:00.35 | Neffi | Oh I see |
| 18:00.44 | Dagmar | ...and "You know, I've never lost a job because my employers were arrested for fraud before. Do you think unemployment insurance covers that?" |
| 18:00.47 | Neffi | They took a solid 12 minutes of abuse? That's like a record |
| 18:01.13 | Dagmar | The _last_ thing you want to do is infect a machine I'm fixing with malware and then put an 800 number up for getting help |
| 18:01.27 | Neffi | o.O |
| 18:01.33 | Dagmar | Neffi: I am getting better at keeping them from realizing that I'm there to waste their time |
| 18:02.21 | Dagmar | Neffi: My mom is elderly. The box appeared telling her she needed an update for iTunes and she installed iLivid. |
| 18:02.48 | Dagmar | If I *knew where their offices were* I would probably be planning some serious mayhem right now. |
| 18:03.39 | Amarande | Dagmar: what's really irritating is when they not only have a huge on-hold queue but they also cap your time off after a period and force you to keep redialing and falling to the back |
| 18:03.47 | Amarande | either because they just disconnect you (rarish) |
| 18:03.55 | Dagmar | So long as it's their 800 number money |
| 18:03.56 | Neffi | Nothing like some non-violent terrorism |
| 18:04.03 | Neffi | Oh shit now I'm flagged by the NSA |
| 18:04.12 | Amarande | or (more commonly) you NEED to get something fixed NOW, meaning you really have got to get through to a human and not just leave voicemail and hope they get to it sometime today |
| 18:04.19 | Dagmar | I was kind of hoping they were just letting the thing stay idle |
| 18:04.29 | Dagmar | I know where some payphones with really egregious rates are. |
| 18:04.35 | Amarande | and after you spend a certain amount of time in queue they just go "due to a high volume of calls we are redirecting you to voicemail whether you like it or not" |
| 18:04.47 | Dagmar | I have no problems with going to these pay phones, dialing the number, and then leaving the handset unlatched |
| 18:05.42 | Amarande | I'm guessing the latter is done in order to avoid busy signals at all costs :| |
| 18:05.52 | Amarande | because apparently a busy signal is dreadfully unprofesh these days |
| 18:06.11 | Amarande | never, ever expose an actual raw error signal to a client, it's gotta be some sort of prettied up "we're sorry" message |
| 18:06.25 | Amarande | (hell, even a plain jane 404 on the web tends to be considered horribly unprofesh design now, no?) |
| 18:07.14 | Amarande | gotta be a prettied up page with your company logo and apologising to the person for the fact that they couldn't type the URL properly, like YOU should be sorry for that LOL :) |
| 18:10.08 | Dagmar | I overheard a consultant saying a 404 page should redirect to somewhere useful |
| 18:10.20 | Dagmar | Probably the shortest interjection I've ever done at Bongo. |
| 18:10.31 | Dagmar | "On behalf of the people who make the internet actually work, please die in a fire." |
| 18:11.07 | nevcairiel | its usually not a bad idea to have a useful 404 page in your websites design with a hint for the user how to get back to something useful |
| 18:11.18 | Humbedooh | it should still be a 404 |
| 18:11.21 | Dagmar | It should be a 404 tho |
| 18:11.21 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 18:11.39 | nevcairiel | but 404 can send html :) |
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| 18:11.43 | Dagmar | Yes it can. It should not, however, be 302 or some shit. |
| 18:11.50 | Amarande | however, it seems like it's become the same sort of thing for phones now |
| 18:12.15 | Amarande | a busy signal is considered horrendously rude, to the point that you need to be able to kick people off the hold queue forcibly at times in order to ensure that the next dialer doesn't get a busy |
| 18:12.24 | Amarande | even if *they're* just going to spend all day getting bumped too |
| 18:13.21 | Dagmar | Oh come now. Phones aren't even that nice |
| 18:13.30 | Amarande | and yeah. I do a pretty damn fine job of customer service. customers who haven't seen me in a while even remember me happily enough to wonder where I've been. but one thing I will never quite get the logicality of is ... |
| 18:13.44 | Amarande | why is it that *you* are supposed to be the one apologising and saying you're sorry for the *other* guy's failings? |
| 18:13.56 | Dagmar | If the network is overloaded and needs to take a new call, it just drops active calls randomly. No discrimination involved. |
| 18:14.08 | Amarande | okay, one thing if it's actually your fault, or that of the company you're representing ("I'm sorry, we don't have any more foobars available right now") |
| 18:14.29 | Amarande | quite another if it's clearly the other guy who should be apologising, though :S |
| 18:15.23 | Amarande | well, in some cases, it's not even just getting disconnected, it's that the network actively pushes you out of the queue and forces you to leave a voicemail, even if you need to get through to someone more reliably than voicemail response time is likely to be |
| 18:15.44 | Amarande | (after all if the lines are that swamped, are they even going to GET to their voicemails today, all the operators are gonna be busy, obvs) |
| 18:16.37 | Amarande | one thing if it gives you an option to press 1 to leave a voicemail, quite another when you're told to get off hold and go leave one |
| 18:17.07 | Amarande | (oh yeah and usually places like this will prattle on constantly, even interrupting the nice music, to tell you that your call is important to them LOL) |
| 18:18.35 | Amarande | yes, your call is very important to them, that's why they're basically telling you to leave a message and go :) |
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| 18:22.14 | pompy | Cairenn: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1954801-team-canada-has-beer-fridge-that-only-opens-with-canadian-passport |
| 18:22.22 | Cairenn | yep |
| 18:25.01 | Amarande | wow, heh |
| 18:25.28 | Amarande | hopefully they brought it all the way from canada though and inspected it thoroughly before using :| |
| 18:26.03 | Amarande | (it's russia. do you really trust a hacker won't try to bug the thing and harvest the passport data? :|) |
| 18:26.32 | Amarande | which might sound paranoid, but then again, it's Russia |
| 18:26.56 | Amarande | we're talking the country where they actually DO watch you in your bathroom via hidden bugs and where the US had to throw out a perfectly good embassy building in the 60s :S |
| 18:27.16 | Amarande | and where there actually IS a persistent problem with hacking and stolen info |
| 18:27.51 | Amarande | hopefully it's good beer too, and not something cheapy like Labatt Blue :) |
| 18:28.11 | Amarande | hmm ... now I hope Cairenn isn't a Labatt Blue fan ... LOL |
| 18:28.15 | Ressy | Thats awesome. :) |
| 18:28.19 | Cairenn | I'm not |
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| 18:28.58 | Ressy | Its in Olympic House where the athletes are housed.. I would assume its difficult to get into physically. |
| 18:31.28 | Guest81912 | well then Amarande |
| 18:31.31 | Guest81912 | what is your choice of beer |
| 18:31.43 | Guest81912 | be warned, if you say corona, I will actually hurt you |
| 18:32.01 | Dagmar | Oh you mean as if there were locks on *all* the doors? |
| 18:33.18 | Ressy | Well, checkpoints & stuff around it. |
| 18:39.35 | Neffi | lol shirik |
| 18:40.28 | Neffi | Why the hate for Corona? It's merely one of the many shitty beers out there |
| 18:42.12 | Amarande | Shirik: Rogue Double Dead Guy would be my #1 |
| 18:42.41 | Dagmar | This is true. You should branch out. |
| 18:42.53 | Amarande | I'm actually not sure I've ever even had a Corona LOL |
| 18:42.59 | Dagmar | Try Crispin. Then you can know that it's possible to make even hard cider watery and tasteless if you try hard enough |
| 18:43.03 | Amarande | pretty sure the only Mexican beer I've ever bought is Dos Equis |
| 18:43.43 | Amarande | If I'm stuck with grocery store beer, then I usually either get Sam Adams or Magic Hat |
| 18:44.06 | Neffi | Did you just call Sam Adam's a grocery store beer? |
| 18:44.19 | Dagmar | Surprise. They sell them there now |
| 18:44.19 | Amarande | Neffi: as in "beer that is commonly available in the grocery store" yes |
| 18:44.26 | Dagmar | Hipsters. |
| 18:44.26 | Amarande | at least here in Connecticut it is |
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| 18:45.24 | Neffi | Yeah I can find it in my local stores. It's usually about the only good beer they carry. |
| 18:45.32 | Amarande | as opposed to something like Rogue, where you have to go to either Whole Foods or the liquor store |
| 18:45.44 | Neffi | Never heard of rogue |
| 18:45.51 | Dagmar | They sell Rogue in the Publix here. ...and the Walgreen's. |
| 18:45.52 | Amarande | and I avoid Whole Foods pretty strongly nowadays, mainly because you can't effing buy 4 things there without it costing $30 |
| 18:46.08 | Amarande | Neffi: Rogue is a smallish but fairly well known and available brewery in Oregon |
| 18:46.21 | Amarande | I first tried it in Portland and found it awesome |
| 18:46.33 | Neffi | Ah, Oregon. That's across the country. Probably why I havent heard of it |
| 18:48.12 | Neffi | Anyone been to the Triumph brewery in Princeton/New Hope/Philly? |
| 18:48.17 | karl_w_w | such alcoholism |
| 18:48.40 | Dagmar | Some beer actually doesn't taste bad |
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| 18:48.54 | Neffi | Some beer tastes wonderful * |
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| 18:53.11 | Lopeppeppy | Saranac or it's piss. |
| 18:56.08 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, Browns is also very very fine, and supremely local to me. |
| 18:56.50 | Neffi | Oh. NY. Any other local goodies, pep? |
| 18:57.27 | Arrowmaster | http://www.houseofcardsagainsthumanity.com/ |
| 18:57.46 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a rum drinker, so you're barking up the wrong tree here, but I know what my beer-friends like. |
| 18:57.54 | pompy | ugh why the hell do facebook videos autoplay now in the news feed when they are focused? lol, stupid. |
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| 18:58.21 | Neffi | "Sorry. Sold out." :( arrow |
| 18:58.27 | Arrowmaster | the hell, i just ordered |
| 18:58.36 | Neffi | Got the last pack it seems |
| 19:00.02 | Amarande | hm, wonder if there's any place where you can get the print and play PDF done up on the exact right sized cardstock to make it work with the "official" cards |
| 19:00.34 | Neffi | Any decent local printing company? |
| 19:00.43 | Amarande | (I'd try to do it myself, but I'm pretty sure the max thickness stock my Lexmark takes is too thin to be workable) |
| 19:00.55 | Lopeppeppy | Amarande, I have a PDF of something that will print to the right card-sized size. One moment. |
| 19:00.57 | Neffi | There's like 4 within walking distance from me. They seem like common establishments |
| 19:01.00 | Lopeppeppy | Not PDF. Something. |
| 19:02.22 | Lopeppeppy | Cards against Gallifrey come in a file that will print to card size if you take it to Office Max or something like that. http://dropcanvas.com/ewfle |
| 19:02.35 | Amarande | Also, CAH is the best multiplayer table top game EVER |
| 19:02.35 | Lopeppeppy | And you can edit it with your own text if you have the right programs. |
| 19:02.53 | Dagmar | Amarande: That depends on how calm your friends are. |
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| 19:06.09 | Arrowmaster | all my CAH cards are sleeved so i can just sleeve printed cards and they will match |
| 19:07.46 | Lopeppeppy | Here's another fun site, Arrowmaster. http://mdsc.info/dropbox/cah/ |
| 19:08.43 | Arrowmaster | i have everything there except the canadian expansion plus more |
| 19:09.10 | Shirik | One auction with a high bid of $100,000 for an iPhone with Flappy Bird installed has been pulled from eBay, but phones with the recently disappeared game do appear to be fetching real bids. |
| 19:09.12 | Shirik | .... wtf? |
| 19:09.26 | Dagmar | Somehow I doubt that |
| 19:09.34 | Wayf | great marketing |
| 19:09.40 | Wayf | everybody is talking about the game now |
| 19:09.54 | Wayf | have never seen such hype behind a mobile game before |
| 19:09.54 | Amarande | Wayf: heh except it's been pulled from the app store |
| 19:09.59 | Wayf | yeah, Amarande, I know |
| 19:10.02 | Amarande | which means it's only marketable to folks with jailbroken phones |
| 19:10.07 | Amarande | actually, has anyone actually tried that before? |
| 19:10.22 | Amarande | an app that's specifically targeted at folks with rooted/jailbroken phones and doesn't work for "normal folks"? |
| 19:10.31 | Wayf | not sure |
| 19:10.36 | Amarande | and had it succeed despite the tiny market? |
| 19:10.38 | Dagmar | Umm.. I'm pretty sure numerous people have |
| 19:10.41 | Wayf | but I don't understand why this game exploded |
| 19:10.43 | Dagmar | Mainly Chinese criminals |
| 19:10.50 | Wayf | there have been many that are almost identical |
| 19:10.59 | Dagmar | Wayf: because now people want to know why other people were downloading it |
| 19:11.00 | Wayf | remember a helicopter flash game from back in the day |
| 19:11.05 | Wayf | yes, Dagmar |
| 19:11.14 | Wayf | great marketing and hype building |
| 19:11.19 | Amarande | Dagmar: I was thinking more the idea of indie game developers that want to use the iphone/ipad but don't want to deal with apple's bureaucracy |
| 19:11.28 | Dagmar | I look at it as a more recent example of 'A Wave Of Stupid'. |
| 19:11.43 | Wayf | and someone is exploiting the wave of stupid to great effect, Dagmar |
| 19:11.49 | Wayf | at least that's what I think |
| 19:12.12 | Amarande | (also keep in mind that apparently in a lot of cases when Apple rejects an app, finding out what you need to fix is practically TOP SECRET :P) |
| 19:12.41 | Fisker | hmm Dagmar |
| 19:12.55 | Fisker | Either Microsoft is s tupid or the guys who set this up are |
| 19:13.05 | nevcairiel | both? |
| 19:13.06 | Fisker | I just saw I had 177 certificates bound to my AD account |
| 19:13.19 | jleclanche | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mjtamlyn/improved-postgresql-support-in-django lol the first two rewards |
| 19:13.19 | Fisker | Can't seriously tell me you can't use the same one |
| 19:13.24 | jleclanche | £5 = thanks. £15 = bigger thanks! |
| 19:13.26 | Amarande | Fisker: wait, you expected MS *not* to have an extreme case of bloat? |
| 19:13.39 | Fisker | This bad? |
| 19:13.50 | Amarande | Fisker: oh, hell yeah |
| 19:13.51 | Fisker | I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy |
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| 19:14.06 | Amarande | Fisker: as a case in point as to the waste Windows platforms produce ... just take a look in your programs and features on your desktop |
| 19:14.16 | Amarande | and see how many different VC++ Redistributables you have installed |
| 19:14.28 | Amarande | each of which is probably having to be separately installed for just one or two applications apiece :P |
| 19:14.34 | Fisker | gonna have a fun time enumerating all certificates and doing a measure on it |
| 19:14.35 | Fisker | huehue |
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| 19:14.49 | Fisker | Better than linnix Amarande |
| 19:14.59 | Amarande | Fisker: on Linux, everything would presumably be using the same libc.so.6 |
| 19:15.09 | Amarande | on Windows, apparently different apps need different C libraries :p |
| 19:15.29 | Amarande | almost defeats the whole bloody point of dynamic linking to begin with |
| 19:15.29 | nevcairiel | that only works on linux because your distribution controls which applications you can install |
| 19:15.30 | Fisker | aww |
| 19:15.42 | nevcairiel | want a newer version which is not part of your distribtion release? nope |
| 19:15.46 | Fisker | only 18394 certificates bound to users |
| 19:15.47 | Neffi | No on *nix you just deal with gigabytes of dependencies when all you wanted was a barebones image viewer |
| 19:15.52 | Fisker | so that's only like 3 certificates per user |
| 19:15.58 | Amarande | nevcairiel: even third party packages tend to just expect a sane libc instead of installing another, and normally they get away with it |
| 19:16.08 | nevcairiel | Amarande: you wish |
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| 19:16.21 | Amarande | (and, of course, when you compile something, you just link it against the existing libraries instead of having to use "what's in your development kit") |
| 19:16.22 | nevcairiel | mostly its just because the libc on linux hasn't change much over the past x years |
| 19:16.57 | Fisker | LOL |
| 19:16.59 | Fisker | roflcopter |
| 19:16.59 | Amarande | Neffi: that's because you probably didn't have the corresponding desktop environment installed at all |
| 19:17.01 | Fisker | http://blogs.technet.com/b/mspfe/archive/2012/12/27/how-to-avoid-having-users-enroll-for-multiple-certificates.aspx |
| 19:17.03 | nevcairiel | in any case, there is only like 3 C libs in active circulation for windows, maybe 4 if you run really ancient software |
| 19:17.06 | Fisker | it's a fucking checkbox |
| 19:17.10 | Fisker | these guys are fucking retards |
| 19:17.17 | Amarande | Neffi: no different than "OMG, I want to install this Windows app, you're telling me I HAVE TO INSTALL WINDOWS FIRST?" |
| 19:17.21 | nevcairiel | so your hobo admins are at fault? |
| 19:17.21 | Fisker | I HAVE 177 CERTIFICATES FOR NOTHING |
| 19:17.29 | Fisker | what admins? |
| 19:17.34 | Fisker | The last one is leaving in 3 weeks |
| 19:17.38 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:17.40 | Fisker | I'm the last line of defense |
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| 19:19.15 | Amarande | nevcairiel: more like seven |
| 19:19.24 | nevcairiel | Amarande: nonsense |
| 19:19.30 | nevcairiel | 2008, 2010 and 2012 |
| 19:19.40 | nevcairiel | barely any apps still use 2005 |
| 19:19.40 | Amarande | there's 2005, 2008, 2010, and 2012 |
| 19:19.56 | nevcairiel | and not much is new enough yet to use 2013 |
| 19:19.58 | Amarande | and with the latter three you normally end up needing 32 and 64 bit installations of both |
| 19:20.00 | Fisker | also |
| 19:20.07 | Fisker | there's both x86 and x64 redists |
| 19:20.09 | Fisker | so double that |
| 19:20.12 | Fisker | except 2005 I believe |
| 19:20.14 | nevcairiel | its the same damn C library :P |
| 19:20.28 | Amarande | (that's another thing that's not the case on Linux normally, you generally don't need dual-arch libraries) |
| 19:20.31 | Fisker | It works kind of like DX doesn't it? |
| 19:20.59 | Fisker | either way I install every redist on our computers |
| 19:21.02 | Fisker | fuck the police |
| 19:21.05 | nevcairiel | Amarande: if you run proprietary software on linux, you need the dual stack |
| 19:21.34 | nevcairiel | Anyway its not like YOU need to install them |
| 19:21.42 | nevcairiel | its usually a silent process by the application installer |
| 19:22.06 | nevcairiel | and windows update then even keeps them up to date for you |
| 19:22.22 | Amarande | nevcairiel: well, yeah ... the original topic though was Fisker's noticing how Microsoft systems seem to need so *many* of certain things, though |
| 19:22.49 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/ktQzkcX.png |
| 19:22.51 | Fisker | poor me :( |
| 19:24.18 | nevcairiel | You could of course develop against the C library which comes with Windows itself, but since it supports only a basic feature set, a bunch of the fancy features in newer versions of the development environment are then of no use for you :P |
| 19:24.32 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 19:24.33 | Fisker | Infact |
| 19:24.37 | Fisker | just make your own libraries |
| 19:24.43 | Fisker | so you don't need redists at all |
| 19:24.50 | Fisker | runs |
| 19:25.03 | nevcairiel | rather static link to avoid the redist than come up with my own C library :P |
| 19:25.33 | Fisker | I know |
| 19:25.35 | Fisker | I'm being a jerk |
| 19:26.29 | Wayf | anyone have time to look through a (pretty short) lua file and help me change the font of something? I'm so green with all this |
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| 19:27.56 | jleclanche | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/10/googles-link-french-privacy-fine-crashes-watchdog-cnil |
| 19:28.18 | Wayf | haha, it seems to have been easier than expected |
| 19:28.25 | Wayf | I'll come crying again if it doesn't work |
| 19:29.50 | Fisker | hmm jleclanche |
| 19:30.07 | Fisker | I wonder if they get additional fines for disrupting the court order? >:3 |
| 19:43.29 | Lopeppeppy | Blah blah blah new canadian anti-spam laws blargh.... Ackis, Cairenn, the mooses are killing me here! :) |
| 19:43.38 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 19:44.25 | Fisker | can't spam anymore Lopeppeppy ? |
| 19:44.26 | Fisker | Damn |
| 19:44.35 | Fisker | now what are you going to use this botnet for when not bitcoin mining? |
| 19:45.49 | Lopeppeppy | We have to specifically reach back out to our alumni and ask them again if they are ***sure*** they want to get our magazine, and to go to this web page and sign over their first born child if they do. We already have complaints about filling out the form. "Why should I have to fill out the form if I don't want anything to change?" |
| 19:46.34 | Cairenn | yay bureaucracy |
| 19:46.45 | Ressy | lol |
| 19:48.07 | Ressy | Lopeppeppy: To be fair, we really needed CANSPAM enacted finally.. Its been sitting on the books for a few years now. |
| 19:48.38 | Lopeppeppy | Oh no, you've had nothing at all? I thought this was a tougher version, not your first pass at it! I take it all back. |
| 19:48.59 | Dagmar | Except CANSPAM is basically useless |
| 19:49.12 | Ressy | I've had to file with the FCC against US companies (they don't like Canadians filing btw).. |
| 19:49.22 | Ressy | cuz Canspam wasn't active yet. |
| 19:49.36 | Ressy | Dagmar: I do believe there's fines, ala CRTC & telemarketing. |
| 19:49.48 | Dagmar | It does _nothing_ to actually stop the proliferation of spam. |
| 19:50.38 | pnorman | Ressy: does filing with the FCC work? most of my telemarketing comes from the US |
| 19:51.09 | Ressy | Telemarketing calls? |
| 19:51.25 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy, Cairenn: http://imgur.com/9Vkez8y - my cat is no fan of driving, but apparently the carrier bag is the best sleeping place ever |
| 19:51.29 | pnorman | You've won a free cruise! |
| 19:51.39 | Dagmar | What CANSPAM now boils down to is a ton of companies are now looking into email marketing, since if they comply with a small subset of guidelines, or at least pretend to, they are 100% immune from being accused of being spammers. |
| 19:52.03 | Ressy | pnorman: You'd have to sign up with DNC, and then if they continue calling, make a complaint to CRTC's DNC List.. And they might get fined. |
| 19:52.12 | Dagmar | ...although frankly, some of the stipulations, like misleading header information or "deceptive subject lines" are long overdue to be applied to website ads |
| 19:52.21 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: :) |
| 19:52.24 | Ressy | only problem is, some companies pay for the registration of DNC, and then use that to call people. |
| 19:52.26 | Ressy | >.< |
| 19:52.36 | Ressy | mostly overseas. |
| 19:52.40 | Dagmar | Ressy: Those people are playing with dire |
| 19:52.41 | Dagmar | er fire |
| 19:52.53 | Ressy | Nope. CRTC's done jack about that. |
| 19:52.59 | Ressy | They're only now starting to contact other govs. |
| 19:53.23 | Dagmar | DNC ensures that if anyone calls you once you're on it, they're a criminal. |
| 19:53.35 | Dagmar | You can just start with that assumption from the moment you pick up the call. |
| 19:53.36 | Ressy | if you're not in North America, good luck getting fined. |
| 19:53.54 | Ressy | I think they went after 1 Indian company.. And only because it was a subsidiary of a US company |
| 19:54.07 | Dagmar | They've actually thrown some people in jail. |
| 19:54.33 | Dagmar | ...although that was more to do with the _fraud_ the company was engaged in, beyond the scope of all the other laws they were breaking |
| 19:54.37 | Amarande | yeah not much you can do about the overseas buggers, unless you want a one world government |
| 19:54.49 | Amarande | and that has allllllll kinds of other can of worms connotations :p |
| 19:55.04 | JC33 | Is it possible to code a WOW addon with a frame that does not scale when the game is scaled? IE: Stays the exact same pixel dimensions no matter the resolution or window size scaling changes. |
| 19:55.10 | Dagmar | Amarande: A shame we don't have some way to make anonymous bets on when a company's office might have an accidental and completely unexplainable fire |
| 19:55.16 | Ressy | The only thing I'm looking forward to, is seeing more stuff head to Enforcements @ CRTC.. They actually do shit. |
| 19:55.23 | Ressy | lmao |
| 19:55.26 | Amarande | (especially because you basically can't get a one world government unless you can get the US and China to agree on it, and things the US and China are likely to agree on are likely to be some scary shit. :P) |
| 19:55.31 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, nice. Our zoo thinks that the carriers are wonderful caves to nap in. |
| 19:55.53 | Amarande | Dagmar: you can probably do that in Vegas |
| 19:55.54 | Dagmar | Right now, i'd be willing to put $200 on a bet that says Bandoo Media burns to the ground before the end of the month. |
| 19:58.58 | Lopeppeppy | Moose in her carrier - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150768161442940 |
| 20:00.16 | Dagmar | Tease. |
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| 20:02.30 | Lopeppeppy | Huh? I'm trading cute cat stunts with zenzio, what are you talking about? |
| 20:03.13 | Arrowmaster | this is good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVfHeWTKjag |
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| 20:08.18 | Ackis | http://www.upworthy.com/the-perfect-reply-a-girl-can-give-to-the-question-whats-your-favorite-position?c=gt1 |
| 20:08.35 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: she seems to have a similar pattern to mine |
| 20:08.38 | zenzelezz | at least in that picture |
| 20:08.56 | zenzelezz | Ackis: links like that never lead to anything fun |
| 20:09.23 | Ackis | zenzelezz: in this case it does :P |
| 20:11.41 | Lopeppeppy | Stripey tiger cats all look stripey in photos. *nod* |
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| 20:21.02 | zenzelezz | local news headline: "(City) Wants to remove bushes to prevent gay sex" |
| 20:21.23 | Neffi | ... |
| 20:21.25 | zenzelezz | apparently there's an area near a beach where gay people meet up for sex - or so they claim |
| 20:21.52 | Neffi | wtf is going on with the world, zenze? |
| 20:22.00 | nevcairiel | as if removing the bushes helps, all it changes is that everyone can see them! |
| 20:22.38 | Neffi | lol |
| 20:22.56 | Dagmar | Maybe they really object to not being able to watch |
| 20:43.03 | Dagmar | Ksenia Solo. Delicious or delicious? |
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| 21:08.48 | d[karl]b | http://i.4cdn.org/b/src/1392060344158.gif oh my god |
| 21:09.24 | Dagmar | Would you say that perhaps that one is smarter than the average bear? |
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| 21:28.49 | Lopeppeppy | Stay awesome everyone. I may log in on Wednesday with my super painkillers to give you all something to laugh at. :) |
| 21:29.04 | Breagha | What's the smart way to get the first value of a table inside a table? It can't be temp = table[5]; myValue = temp[1]... right? |
| 21:33.45 | d[karl]b | oh apparently not Dagmar http://i.4cdn.org/b/src/1392063825004.gif |
| 21:34.07 | Dagmar | That's the same bear |
| 21:36.42 | Neffi | Breagha: myValue = table[5][1] |
| 21:37.14 | Ermad | Breagha: if its an array like table (ascending numeric keys), its just table[1]. otherwise the order of a table is not defined |
| 21:37.56 | Breagha | Thank you, Neffi :D |
| 21:39.26 | Breagha | Ermad, it was a value from a table inside a table :) - The order is sorta not so important, I think? Possibly? I'm not sure, I screw up my tables all the time... <.< |
| 21:40.08 | Neffi | What he means is the distinction between an array and an associative array |
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| 21:41.08 | Neffi | If your table looks like this: tbl={1,2,3,4,5}, you can get the 3rd value by using: myValue=tbl[3]; But if your table looks like this: tbl={a=1,b=2,c=3}, there is no "5th" value per so, so tbl[3] is meaningless |
| 21:41.12 | Breagha | Heh... I think I have an okay idea what an array is... But I don't know what an associative array is... Will have to read up on that |
| 21:41.46 | Neffi | s/there is no "5th"/there is no "3rd"/ |
| 21:43.09 | Breagha | I think my tables are ordered... But now I'm not so sure... anymore... |
| 21:43.46 | Breagha | I get what I want, when I used the not so pretty code... won't I get what I want with the optimized code too, then? |
| 21:44.04 | Neffi | If you inserted in element like this: tbl[1] = myVal; or initialized it like this: tbl = {myVal}; then it's an array |
| 21:44.22 | Breagha | That I did... The keys are in sequence |
| 21:44.31 | Ermad | if "temp = table[5]; myValue = temp[1]" works then so will "myValue = table[5][1]" |
| 21:45.13 | Breagha | Great! Tables make me terribly confused, but I'll get them down if it's the last thing I do! <.< |
| 21:45.26 | Neffi | Also it's not necessarily "optimized". They are both exactly equivalent. It's just not necessary to always store a temp value like that. My version is more compact and readable, not faster. |
| 21:45.27 | Breagha | Thank you so much for your patience ^^ |
| 21:46.13 | Breagha | Well... I like it readable and taking less lines... I like neat code, I'm just terribly bad at writing it still :P |
| 21:46.37 | Neffi | And so you should ;) |
| 21:46.56 | Breagha | ^^ |
| 21:49.48 | Breagha | Oh, I'm bad at tables, but I managed to shave a quarter off my script by using them instead of the old code :D |
| 21:50.08 | Breagha | Not that I could have done it without the help I got here, but it still makes me feel all fuzzy inside :P |
| 21:53.21 | Breagha | Oh a question about functions. Is it better to have a lot of smaller functions or to have one large function? It's basically just setting up a bunch of frames, but it could be done with smaller functions for each section of frames. But I figure, with one function, it's easier to read the main script, right? |
| 21:53.35 | Semlar | one large function |
| 21:53.47 | Breagha | Thankee ^^ |
| 21:53.54 | Semlar | well, it depends a lot on what you're doing |
| 21:54.02 | Semlar | but the fewer function calls you make the more efficient it is |
| 21:54.15 | Breagha | nodnods |
| 21:54.24 | Neffi | Smaller functions make the code more organized, readable, easier to understand, easier to modify and extend |
| 21:54.32 | Semlar | not always |
| 21:54.35 | Neffi | And the overhead of a function call is largely negligible |
| 21:54.54 | Semlar | i can never fucking figure out what's going on in super modular code that's split all over the place |
| 21:55.14 | Neffi | Just because it's super modular, doesn't mean it's well organized or really even good |
| 21:55.34 | Neffi | Modular is such a damned buzzword that people produce bad code trying to adhere to it |
| 21:55.39 | Breagha | Umm... I didn't mean to start an argument... I guess it's a temper question? |
| 21:55.55 | Semlar | this isn't arguing, this is how programmers talk |
| 21:56.03 | Neffi | yeah, you fuck |
| 21:56.07 | Breagha | lol |
| 21:56.11 | Neffi | kicks Semlar. |
| 21:56.19 | Semlar | throttles neffi |
| 21:56.24 | Neffi | not this again |
| 21:56.45 | TC-Work | Get a room you two. |
| 21:56.52 | Semlar | wanna come? |
| 21:56.52 | Neffi | working on it |
| 21:56.57 | TC-Work | No. |
| 21:57.02 | Neffi | :( |
| 21:57.09 | Semlar | so you just want to watch then |
| 21:57.24 | TC-Work | Watch you guys leave? Yes. |
| 21:57.45 | Semlar | hey i'm not one to judge |
| 21:57.49 | Neffi | That's just mean TC |
| 21:58.39 | TC-Work | Yes you are. Yes it is. |
| 21:58.48 | Breagha | Awww... I don't want to see you leave... in fact, I have one last question *nodnods and beams*... I read that tables generate a lot of garbage... I don't know what that is, but I'm guessing it's memory tied up in stuff that does nothing? - Anyways, how worried should I be about that? |
| 21:59.03 | TC-Work | GC! |
| 21:59.18 | Semlar | garbage is periodically collected |
| 21:59.22 | Semlar | and the memory is freed up |
| 21:59.42 | Breagha | Automagically? Or I should code it in my script? |
| 21:59.46 | Semlar | automatically |
| 21:59.48 | Dagmar | Technically you're not allowed to worry about it. |
| 22:00.03 | Semlar | as long as there are no references to the data |
| 22:00.31 | Dagmar | You can't do anything about it, and if you wind up coding some fantastic piece of crap that hemmorhages memory like mad or needlessly allocates gigabyte after gigabyte, the blame for it exploding falls squarely upon you. |
| 22:01.00 | Semlar | you don't generally want to do something like create a new table every frame |
| 22:01.30 | Breagha | I don't think I am... I think I'm reusing all the frames I make... |
| 22:01.52 | Breagha | Umm... I misunderstood, sorry |
| 22:02.01 | Neffi | New table every OnUpdate he means |
| 22:02.11 | Breagha | Ah, right |
| 22:02.17 | Neffi | By the way, frames don't get deleted/collected, so don't throw them away (nil them) |
| 22:02.22 | Neffi | You must reuse frames |
| 22:02.47 | Breagha | I do... I did nil them in the beginning, until I found out they don't get deleted by that... So now I just hide them |
| 22:03.07 | Semlar | just recycle them |
| 22:03.10 | Breagha | And use them again, I mean |
| 22:03.29 | Breagha | I set up my game table if it doesn |
| 22:03.44 | Breagha | t exist, and then I hide and show it depending on what's needed |
| 22:05.34 | Breagha | I tested it when I set it up, so I'm pretty sure I'm not just creating a new set of frames on top of the old... And even if I was, I would run out of levels and I'd know, right? |
| 22:05.45 | Semlar | no |
| 22:06.23 | Breagha | Oh... I thought they would draw poorly and get distorted... I think I red that somewhere... |
| 22:06.40 | Neffi | nope |
| 22:06.44 | Semlar | if you create two identical frames on top of each other you're not going to notice |
| 22:06.54 | Semlar | unless they have like dropshadows or something |
| 22:07.13 | Semlar | then the transparent portions would become more opaque |
| 22:08.00 | Semlar | plus it would take a ton of frames to really take a performance hit |
| 22:08.17 | Dagmar | You'd be simply _amazed_ at what people can cook up. :) |
| 22:08.41 | Semlar | well i'm not saying it's not possible but if you're just creating a new frame every time you "show" it, you could make a lot of them before you'd notice |
| 22:09.18 | Semlar | if the rest are hidden the only thing you'd notice is an increase in memory usage |
| 22:09.32 | Semlar | hidden frames don't really impact frame rate |
| 22:11.10 | Breagha | Humm... Either pastebin.com is slow or my connection is... |
| 22:11.43 | Humbedooh | why on earth are you using pastebin in the first place :C |
| 22:11.44 | Breagha | My connection is >.< |
| 22:12.01 | Breagha | Because it's at the top of the room when you enter? |
| 22:12.09 | Humbedooh | bah |
| 22:12.18 | Humbedooh | looks for someone to blame |
| 22:12.28 | Breagha | lol |
| 22:12.52 | Breagha | What should I be using instead? |
| 22:14.09 | Semlar | pastebin |
| 22:14.48 | Breagha | Oh... okies :) |
| 22:15.13 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure there's something on curse but it's impossible to find so |
| 22:16.26 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.29 | Neffi | Name - This field is required. |
| 22:17.35 | Semlar | UNTITLED |
| 22:17.50 | Neffi | that's like 3 sec of my life wasted |
| 22:17.56 | Semlar | thanks curse |
| 22:18.20 | Breagha | http://pastebin.com/EV04iGDG |
| 22:18.32 | Breagha | Am I doing my frames right? I do it at the bottom |
| 22:18.38 | Semlar | those are some long lines |
| 22:19.11 | Breagha | Umm... yes... <.< |
| 22:19.42 | Semlar | well it's not how i code |
| 22:19.43 | Breagha | I have to create a lot of buttons... v.v |
| 22:20.05 | Semlar | it looks like you have a lot of globals though |
| 22:20.59 | Breagha | Oh... that's from when I couldn't figure out why I couldn't find the variable I stored the buttons in... I'll fix that straight away |
| 22:21.59 | Semlar | i would change the function declarations to "function funcButtons(tTable, strParent)" |
| 22:22.40 | Breagha | What makes the difference? |
| 22:23.08 | Semlar | very little, but i only use the format you use when i'm overriding an existing variable |
| 22:23.33 | Semlar | or hooking something |
| 22:25.19 | Breagha | I'm not sure why I use that format, other than that's what I've seen... I'll change it if you think it's better the other way :) |
| 22:25.45 | Semlar | the other way is much more common |
| 22:26.09 | Semlar | and slightly shorter since you don't have to use = |
| 22:27.05 | Semlar | and it makes it easier to do recursive functions since you can call the function from inside itself |
| 22:27.16 | Breagha | *nodnods* |
| 22:27.57 | Semlar | if you do function funk() you can call funk() from inside the function, if you do funk = function() then you can't |
| 22:28.30 | Semlar | but it's good for hooking because funk() will refer to what it did before the function was created |
| 22:29.00 | Semlar | although you probably shouldn't be hooking anything just yet |
| 22:29.32 | Breagha | I don't even know what it means, so I doubt I will :P |
| 22:30.03 | Semlar | hooking is when you replace an existing function with your own so yours is called instead |
| 22:30.25 | Breagha | Aah, right... No... don't think I feel like playing around with that... |
| 22:31.40 | Semlar | hooking can also refer to doing a tail call every time the original function is called |
| 22:31.46 | Breagha | Am I supposed to somehow make those long lines into functions? |
| 22:32.03 | Semlar | no, i wouldn't even have a table of tables like that for creating your frames |
| 22:32.19 | Semlar | are these only created once? |
| 22:32.36 | TC-Work | Hooking also refers to selling sex for money. |
| 22:32.54 | Breagha | I didn't... I had a function... but when I tried to get the variable the button was stored it, nothing happened... v.v |
| 22:32.54 | Semlar | good point |
| 22:33.20 | Breagha | Also... I sorta had a line for every button... v.v |
| 22:33.54 | Breagha | I figured tables were better than that >.< |
| 22:34.23 | Semlar | nah this is kind of redundant |
| 22:35.17 | Breagha | Isn't a line for every button bad too? |
| 22:36.46 | Semlar | for the sake of readability i would probably prefer calling a function to create each button |
| 22:37.10 | Breagha | sighs and hangs her head |
| 22:37.20 | Semlar | i mean i guess this is sort of okay |
| 22:37.27 | Breagha | And here I was all chuffed about having gotten it below 150 lines... |
| 22:38.31 | Breagha | Ah well... I'll see if I can come up with a third option :) |
| 22:38.47 | Semlar | the only difference between the buttons is their size and position? |
| 22:39.10 | Semlar | or position |
| 22:39.19 | Breagha | No difference in size, just var name and position |
| 22:39.20 | Semlar | are these just anchors |
| 22:39.56 | Semlar | do they follow a pattern you could define mathematically |
| 22:39.56 | Breagha | I'm not sure what you mean by anchors, but they will change textures throughout the game |
| 22:40.40 | Breagha | The do follow a pattern, though... they're 34 between or something |
| 22:41.02 | Semlar | good, that makes this much simpler |
| 22:41.12 | Semlar | no you don't need a table for this |
| 22:41.35 | Breagha | But how will I find the var name again, then? |
| 22:41.37 | Semlar | you could just make a loop for 1, numButtons and add 34 to the offset each time |
| 22:41.55 | Semlar | you don't need the variable name if you put the resulting button into a table |
| 22:42.14 | Semlar | like, create an empty table above your function local buttons = {} |
| 22:42.17 | Breagha | nodnods |
| 22:42.52 | Semlar | well you don't even need a function for this if you're only doing the loop once |
| 22:43.49 | Semlar | it's just for i = 1, numButtons do local button = CreateFrame('button', nil parent) ... tinsert(buttons, button) |
| 22:43.56 | Breagha | There're two lines of buttons that break the pattern, but I guess I can do that with tables? Unless I can figure out a way to offset them and skip a couple... |
| 22:44.46 | Breagha | Hmm... I'll give that a try |
| 22:45.27 | Breagha | Oh... or maybe I'll give it a try in the morning... Hadn't noticed it was almost midnight :( |
| 22:45.34 | Semlar | your anchor would be like button:SetPoint('TOPLEFT', 2 + 34 * (i-1), -2) or something |
| 22:46.16 | Breagha | Hmm... yes... |
| 22:46.28 | Breagha | And it owuld still be doable from inside the loop... |
| 22:46.31 | Semlar | or if you need to make a couple different anchors you could put the setpoints in an if statement |
| 22:47.14 | Semlar | assuming everything else is the same |
| 22:47.17 | Breagha | Won't they all be the same var name, though? |
| 22:47.33 | Breagha | Or will they just not have a name? |
| 22:47.42 | Semlar | you don't even need variable names if you're storing a reference to them in the table |
| 22:47.50 | Breagha | nodnods |
| 22:47.56 | Semlar | you can reference them like buttons[1] |
| 22:48.09 | Breagha | That's much better! |
| 22:48.12 | Semlar | or more probably in a for loop if you're modifying all of them |
| 22:48.28 | Breagha | Naw, they probably will be called individually |
| 22:48.34 | Semlar | for i, button in ipairs(buttons) do button:dostuff |
| 22:50.11 | Breagha | Thank you for showing me a better way ^^ |
| 22:50.30 | Semlar | yeah, hopefully i explained that in a way that made sense |
| 22:51.06 | Breagha | You did, I got it :) - I'll probably be making mistakes along the way, but I have the main idea down |
| 22:51.08 | Breagha | ^^ |
| 22:52.03 | Semlar | oh yeah, never make a function that is only called once |
| 22:52.04 | Ermad | is it consider good practice to give your frames a global name or not? ex: CreateFrame('Frame', 'MyAddonButton'..1, UIParent) |
| 22:52.30 | Semlar | it's considered good practice to limit your globals |
| 22:53.17 | Semlar | if you want variables accessible outside of your addon then it's usually best to create one global table for your addon (like a namespace) and put them into that |
| 22:53.30 | Breagha | Should just stuff them all into tButtons and then call them from there with their key. And I do that by running them through a loop that places them out like beads on a string :) |
| 22:54.14 | Semlar | and i would probably use something more descriptive than tButtons but that's down to preference generally |
| 22:54.44 | Semlar | some people use codestyles from other languages that prefer prepending the variable type to the variable name but i don't really like that |
| 22:54.51 | Breagha | Yeah, it'll be tTableButtons, tPlayerHandButtons, and tOpponentsHandButtons |
| 22:55.01 | Semlar | especially since lua only has like 3 types |
| 22:55.18 | Semlar | tables, strings and numbers |
| 22:55.19 | Breagha | I do it so I can remember what I stuff in my variables... *blushes* |
| 22:58.48 | Breagha | I'm gonna go find some pillows... dogs will wake me early when they get hungry ^^ |
| 22:58.58 | Breagha | Thank you again for all your help and time! |
| 22:59.25 | Semlar | generally, never declare a variable or a function you only use once but if you use it more than once you shouldn't duplicate code |
| 22:59.38 | Semlar | so try and consolidate things |
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| 23:00.49 | Breagha | I'll try to give it a look tomorrow... See what I can do about that... I think I duplicate code when I create the frames for the buttons... I'll try to make those into functions somehow :) |
| 23:01.07 | Semlar | like where you have value[1] repeatedly that's actually looking up the variable in a table and that's extra overhead and not that fun to type so assign value[1] to a local variable to use instead |
| 23:01.28 | Breagha | Ah, yes! |
| 23:01.39 | Semlar | like local button = value[1] |
| 23:01.44 | Semlar | and use button instead |
| 23:01.53 | Breagha | nodnods |
| 23:01.59 | Semlar | although that code is probably all being replaced anyway |
| 23:02.24 | Semlar | if you're getting rid of the tables |
| 23:02.39 | Breagha | Oh... completely forgot... Reason I showed you in the first place :P - Do I create multiple frames, other than the ones I intent to? |
| 23:02.46 | Breagha | I'm getting rid of the tables :) |
| 23:03.15 | Semlar | no, i think you're creating them in the function and it's only being called once if HearthStoneTable doesn't exist |
| 23:03.42 | Breagha | That's good, then :) |
| 23:04.11 | Semlar | although if funcCreatePlayArea() is only ever called that one time i would personally just put that entire block of code where you're calling that function |
| 23:04.29 | Semlar | unless you prefer it this way for readability |
| 23:04.52 | Breagha | I like it this way for readability... Easier to understand what's going on... |
| 23:05.48 | Breagha | That function is kinda like a do this, so I don't have to think about it function :P |
| 23:06.19 | Semlar | i would also put the check for if HearthstoneTable already exists inside the function to make absolutely certainly it never creates it twice |
| 23:06.46 | Breagha | Oh, right... I'll do that now :) |
| 23:07.50 | Semlar | that way if you somehow end up calling the function more than once it doesn't actually do anything |
| 23:08.20 | Semlar | you can put like "if HearthstoneTable then return end" at the very top of the function |
| 23:08.29 | Semlar | and just have it exit early |
| 23:08.43 | Breagha | I just did if not HearthstoneMain then |
| 23:08.57 | Semlar | yeah but then you have to indent everything twice |
| 23:09.11 | Semlar | well i guess you don't have to |
| 23:09.21 | Breagha | I did... sorta do that... |
| 23:09.41 | Breagha | Can block indent in notepad++ |
| 23:09.53 | Semlar | yeah it's good to keep the indentation consistent |
| 23:10.11 | Semlar | but i prefer not to move everything over if i'm just adding a check like that |
| 23:10.37 | Semlar | so i use the "return" line |
| 23:10.57 | Breagha | nodnods |
| 23:11.28 | Semlar | anyway i ought to get goin |
| 23:11.32 | Semlar | 23 skidoo! |
| 23:11.53 | Breagha | Thank you so much! |
| 23:11.57 | Breagha | And good night ^^ |
| 23:12.05 | Semlar | have fun |
| 23:12.22 | Breagha | You too ^^ |
| 23:14.38 | Wayf | is it possible to get TidyPlates to ONLY display on a targeted unit? |
| 23:15.39 | Torhal | Nameplates don't work that way. |
| 23:16.45 | Wayf | I know, that's why I'm wondering =| |
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| 23:16.50 | Neffi | Well it is possible to figure out which nameplate is being targeted, and only skin that one. But getting TP to do that is out of the question probably |
| 23:17.30 | Semlar-Laptop | hiiiii neffi |
| 23:17.41 | Neffi | hi semmi |
| 23:17.46 | Semlar-Laptop | what's this about nameplates |
| 23:18.05 | Neffi | <Wayf> is it possible to get TidyPlates to ONLY display on a targeted unit? |
| 23:18.24 | Semlar-Laptop | you can probably turn the alpha down on everyone who isn't your target |
| 23:18.49 | Wayf | but then the others will be completely invisible |
| 23:19.05 | Semlar-Laptop | perhaps i misunderstood the question |
| 23:19.05 | Wayf | I might have found a work around though |
| 23:20.51 | Semlar-Laptop | neffi\ |
| 23:21.16 | Semlar-Laptop | did you watch vampire prosecutor |
| 23:21.44 | Neffi | no |
| 23:23.20 | Semlar-Laptop | how do people watch television |
| 23:23.31 | Semlar-Laptop | it's like 40% commercials |
| 23:25.06 | Semlar-Laptop | and at some point they decided it would be okay to start covering about a third of the screen with ads during the show |
| 23:25.40 | Neffi | Yeah, TV is terrible |
| 23:26.22 | Semlar-Laptop | it is super distracting to me |
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| 23:31.24 | Semlar-Laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.50 | Neffi | how scientific. that's the greatest article on Wikipedia /endsarcasm |
| 23:33.05 | Semlar-Laptop | see also Genius neffi |
| 23:34.00 | Neffi | I'd rather not |
| 23:34.29 | Semlar-Laptop | well you always have me |
| 23:34.51 | Neffi | <_< |
| 23:34.54 | Semlar-Laptop | we all have to make sacrifices |
| 23:35.11 | Neffi | sacrifices Semlar-Laptop. |
| 23:39.14 | Semlar-Laptop | you wouldn't |
| 23:41.36 | TC-Work | I would |
| 23:42.07 | Semlar-Laptop | so mean |
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