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| 00:45.11 | Gethe | how are the automated diffs on the wiki generated? |
| 00:46.45 | kd3 | foxlit uses a tool |
| 00:47.04 | Thunder_Child | he is also a tool, but that's a different story. |
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| 00:55.20 | Primer | I don't get weak aura's "action usable". It just seems that it's broken |
| 00:55.45 | Gnarfoz | paging Stanzilla |
| 00:56.03 | Primer | I'm trying to make a WA that tells me if my target or mouseover is 20% or below, and show my SW:D icon along with a sound |
| 00:56.41 | Primer | but even though the function I have for determining this is returning true, the other trigger, which is "action usable: SW:D" only works if I'm targeting the mob |
| 00:56.59 | Primer | even though SW:D is usable |
| 00:57.23 | Gnarfoz | when is SW:D usable? |
| 00:57.24 | Primer | I guess I need to put the SW:D check into the other trigger's code |
| 00:57.26 | Semlar | i don't know if they're using IsUsableAction but that has little to do with whether the ability is usable or not |
| 00:57.31 | Primer | when it's off CD |
| 00:58.09 | Primer | My SW:D is a mouseover macro. If I hover over the dummy that's at 20% and hit it, it casts |
| 00:58.13 | Primer | so it's definitely usable |
| 00:58.30 | Primer | There just needs to be a condition "is not on CD" |
| 00:59.25 | Semlar | GetSpellCooldown('abilityName') |
| 00:59.53 | Gnarfoz | he's talking about a WA condition |
| 01:00.47 | Primer | so it seems I either need to use a different conditional in WA or roll that lookup into the code |
| 01:01.01 | Semlar | my kill shot trigger is literally just Status, Action Usable, Kill Shot |
| 01:01.16 | Primer | but do you use mouseover? |
| 01:02.34 | Primer | ok, I got it to work |
| 01:02.42 | Primer | I used cooldown progress (spell), and inverse |
| 01:03.26 | Semlar | i'm not sure why a second trigger that checks if your mouseover is <=20% health wouldn't work |
| 01:03.41 | Primer | You lost me |
| 01:03.55 | Primer | I have that working already |
| 01:04.12 | Primer | but it's a custom trigger |
| 01:04.26 | Gnarfoz | why |
| 01:04.36 | Gnarfoz | can't you use "unit health <=" and "mouseover" |
| 01:04.37 | Primer | since WA doesn't support mouseover? |
| 01:04.44 | Semlar | yes it does? |
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| 01:05.04 | Primer | ok, adding a new trigger |
| 01:05.08 | Primer | to see where this is |
| 01:05.17 | Semlar | Status Health Specific Unit "mouseover" |
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| 01:06.39 | Stanzilla | hides |
| 01:06.56 | Primer | argh, horde killed me when I had WA up |
| 01:07.00 | Primer | and I couldn't close it fast enough |
| 01:07.55 | Primer | sigh, actually it was because I rebooted and the stupid keyboard has a "function key" |
| 01:08.10 | Primer | that has to be pressed at boot for the function keys to function as function keys |
| 01:08.15 | Semlar | i'm assuming action usable is failing because it isn't usable against your target |
| 01:08.22 | Primer | F6 is goblin glider |
| 01:08.42 | Semlar | if you had the ability on your bar it wouldn't be lit up |
| 01:08.56 | Primer | my macro lights up just fine |
| 01:08.58 | Semlar | yes |
| 01:09.00 | Semlar | but that's a macro |
| 01:09.01 | Primer | and it's on my bar |
| 01:09.10 | Semlar | not the action it's checking |
| 01:09.39 | Semlar | it's checking the same condition as if you had that spell on your bar |
| 01:10.42 | Semlar | that's why you have to go by its cooldown |
| 01:12.07 | Primer | ok, I made the WA, but this horde shaman keeps coming to shrine and I need to kill him again |
| 01:12.07 | Semlar | eg. if you /cast shadow word: death it would fail because it's not usable |
| 01:12.50 | Primer | bah, it's not working |
| 01:13.18 | Primer | doh, didn't select <=, had accidentally selected < |
| 01:13.34 | Primer | still not working |
| 01:13.53 | Semlar | i'm more concerned about the fact that i have to add a second trigger to everything i make to prevent weak auras from constantly restarting the model animations |
| 01:14.26 | Stanzilla | patches welcome |
| 01:14.37 | Primer | Ok, the tooltip says "Only works on friendly players in your group" |
| 01:14.38 | Semlar | i'm not sure why it does that |
| 01:14.46 | Primer | for Unit -> Specific unit |
| 01:15.03 | Primer | So my original thing is still required |
| 01:15.17 | Semlar | did you actually try putting "mouseover" into that field |
| 01:15.22 | Primer | of course |
| 01:15.33 | Semlar | there is no way they made that only work for friendly units |
| 01:15.42 | Primer | that's what the tooltip reads |
| 01:15.45 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 01:15.48 | Gnarfoz | friendly players in group |
| 01:15.54 | Semlar | that wouldn't make any sense, that would require a second check |
| 01:15.57 | Gnarfoz | means playername = valid unitname |
| 01:16.13 | Primer | I don't know what to say...it doesn't work |
| 01:16.13 | Semlar | the tooltip fucking says it takes a unit ID |
| 01:16.24 | Gnarfoz | I can't see tooltips in IRC |
| 01:16.56 | Gnarfoz | playernames are valid units when grouped, is all I'm saying (trying to explain the thing primer quoted) |
| 01:17.10 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.26 | Primer | That ^^^ |
| 01:17.28 | Semlar | it says it only works for friendly players in your group, but it also says it takes a unit id |
| 01:17.41 | Gnarfoz | guess someone failed at a proper description *shrug* |
| 01:17.59 | Primer | I removed the other trigger |
| 01:17.59 | Semlar | the only way it would only work for people in your group is if it actually checked if they were in your group ON TOP of checking for the unit id |
| 01:18.04 | Primer | it doesn't work |
| 01:18.12 | Primer | for non-friendly units |
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| 01:19.07 | Primer | oh wow, the WA saved my custom trigger |
| 01:19.18 | Primer | just swapping the type back and forth, it remembered |
| 01:19.28 | Primer | I had pastebined it before changing it just in case |
| 01:19.35 | Semlar | why would weak auras not have support for mouseover |
| 01:19.51 | Gnarfoz | why would it need *support* for it, even |
| 01:20.14 | Gnarfoz | it's just a unit *shrug* |
| 01:20.32 | Semlar | it has practically every other unit id listed |
| 01:20.34 | Primer | Someone tunnel visioned |
| 01:21.11 | Primer | it's still not working correctly |
| 01:21.15 | Primer | it won't hide |
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| 01:21.26 | Primer | despite the code for hide being proper too |
| 01:21.31 | Semlar | what's your condition |
| 01:21.44 | Primer | hide should just be automatic, I guess |
| 01:21.52 | Primer | the show function returning false |
| 01:22.13 | Semlar | trigger should be like mouseover exists and under 20% health |
| 01:22.32 | Primer | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4228810 |
| 01:22.33 | Primer | that's the code |
| 01:22.43 | Primer | but hide is either timed or custom |
| 01:22.46 | Primer | no "automatic" |
| 01:22.55 | Primer | which doesn't make sense |
| 01:23.07 | Primer | if the custom trigger returns false...fucking hide if showing |
| 01:24.42 | Semlar | i guess it doesn't autohide custom triggers |
| 01:24.59 | Semlar | actually that doesn't make any sense |
| 01:25.25 | Primer | ok, I had forgotten that I removed the second part, which was SW:D off CD |
| 01:26.20 | Primer | ok, it works without the hide |
| 01:26.36 | Primer | as the other trigger takes care of that |
| 01:28.00 | Semlar | i guess it makes some sense if you have a trigger condition that doesn't stay true |
| 01:28.56 | Semlar | but you want it to keep showing until your untrigger fires |
| 01:29.54 | Primer | I think the code still needs some tweaking |
| 01:30.56 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.21 | Primer | actually, it's working fine |
| 01:31.42 | Neffi | Semlar: That can be a little hard to see |
| 01:31.55 | Primer | I thought that perhaps if my target had <= 20% but my mouseover did not, that it'd fail |
| 01:32.03 | Neffi | Because you're not using a pixel font, having them overlap that much can make similar-looking debuffs hard to discern at a glance |
| 01:32.27 | Primer | I wish I could roll this conditional into a macro |
| 01:32.44 | Neffi | But that's just going on a static screenshot. You tend to pick up details differently when actually playing, so see how it feels |
| 01:32.45 | Primer | i.e. just cast SW:D on whichever of target or mouseover is <= 20% |
| 01:32.57 | Stanzilla | oh nice, Semlar just reminded me of something |
| 01:33.02 | Neffi | Primer: But that's not possible |
| 01:33.58 | Semlar | i don't wanna make them bigger |
| 01:33.58 | Stanzilla | Kesava: I tried your don't fade when below 20% setting, always forgot to tell you but it's mighty confusing the way it is. because atm when the condition is true, they just look like a normal UF, in my case, the target minus the glow, if you can add like a different glow (red) so they stand out more it would make sense |
| 01:34.21 | Semlar | they're already bigger than i wanted to make them |
| 01:34.43 | Neffi | I think the size is OK. A little smaller could work too. If the text wasn't blocking a lot of it |
| 01:34.44 | Semlar | i might just use little colored icons |
| 01:35.07 | Semlar | actually i guess just the text would work if i were using color codes |
| 01:35.34 | Primer | Neffi: I know |
| 01:38.21 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.14 | Primer | OMG WTF RNG! I just prospected 6 stacks of ore and only got ONE blue quality gem! |
| 01:40.52 | Semlar | come up with a better solution neffi |
| 01:41.01 | Semlar | i don't like the icons in the first place |
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| 01:44.08 | Neffi | i dunno |
| 01:44.30 | Neffi | And fuck, I hope TES6 uses a new engine |
| 01:45.02 | Neffi | They need to just admit the engine they've been using since Morrowind has always been a royal piece of shit regardless of renaming it to Creation Kit and improving the graphics |
| 01:46.13 | Neffi | Semlar: I actually like it right now, just not with the fontstrings overlapping so much |
| 01:46.38 | Semlar | they aren't overlapping in that |
| 01:46.46 | Neffi | The name still is |
| 01:49.38 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.44 | Neffi | It actually looked nicer with the slight overlap <_< |
| 01:53.53 | Semlar | SEE |
| 01:54.11 | Neffi | Keep it like it was, and play with it. See if picking out your buffs at a glance is easy |
| 01:55.02 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.22 | Neffi | So now it's possible to level BS without low level mats? |
| 01:56.58 | Primer | bah, this WA still isn't perfect |
| 01:57.09 | Primer | it's not going away when I don't use SW:D |
| 01:57.16 | Primer | for example, if the mouseover dies |
| 01:57.16 | Kesava | Stanzilla: I added it purely for someone who used "always fade" so um yeah |
| 01:57.46 | Kesava | Stanzilla: I can imagine that would be an issue if you don't use that. That's a good idea though. I'll see. |
| 01:59.55 | Primer | ok, it's better now. It hides, but there's one issue still |
| 02:00.17 | Primer | If the mobs move around a lot and mouseover changes a lot...the WA shows and hide a lot :( |
| 02:00.39 | Primer | I need to add some sort of delay |
| 02:01.16 | Primer | like, if it was hidden less than half a second ago, don't show it until half a second has passed |
| 02:01.25 | Primer | but I think that's asking for too much |
| 02:01.34 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.06 | Neffi | attractive |
| 02:02.13 | Semlar | aren't i always |
| 02:03.13 | Neffi | you try, and that's what counts |
| 02:03.43 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.35 | Neffi | Maybe use a cooldown circle to denote time left and nix the numbers? |
| 02:06.06 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.04 | Semlar | alright what if i put like a tiny colored dot in the corner that changed from green to red or something |
| 02:07.45 | Neffi | Faded from green to red? |
| 02:08.03 | Semlar | based on time left |
| 02:08.18 | Neffi | That would probably work well. Since the user probably isn't trying to push perfect precision on reapplying DoTs to many units at once |
| 02:08.25 | Neffi | ie, they dont need .1 sec precision |
| 02:08.45 | Neffi | A color coded representation actually makes a lot of sense |
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| 02:26.07 | Semlar | maybe something like this http://i.imgur.com/zVa86T1.jpg |
| 02:27.21 | Neffi | Looks alright |
| 02:28.29 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.10 | Semlar | and if you need to track more than 4 things too bad |
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| 02:33.33 | Semlar | now for the tricky part |
| 02:59.40 | Guest77658 | screw you and your "failure to identify in time" |
| 02:59.46 | Guest77658 | see if I care |
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| 03:00.30 | Thunder_Child_ | Stop failing Guest77658 |
| 03:00.34 | kd3 | ^ |
| 03:00.50 | Guest77658 | how about SASL stops failing |
| 03:08.40 | Thunder_Child_ | It's not SASL Guest77658, it's you. |
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| 03:23.18 | Neffi | My brain feels weird Semlar :) |
| 03:23.28 | Neffi | So weird that I meant to make a frowny face but it came out as a smile |
| 03:23.38 | Semlar | are you sure |
| 03:23.42 | Neffi | i think |
| 03:23.48 | Neffi | I think I broke something in my brain |
| 03:23.56 | Semlar | welcome to my world |
| 03:34.04 | Stanzilla | what are you doing there Semlar |
| 03:34.10 | Stanzilla | raid frames out of nameplates? |
| 03:34.17 | Semlar | pretty much |
| 03:35.05 | Semlar | i don't like the debuffs but i don't have any better ideas right now |
| 03:37.40 | znf | waits for Semlar to finish hi awesomeness |
| 03:38.10 | znf | his |
| 03:38.20 | znf | I have an excuse, I'm drunk. |
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| 04:43.05 | Wayf | don't really know where to turn, maybe someone here has a better idea than I do about what I'm trying to achieve |
| 04:43.30 | Wayf | is anyone familiar with the Stuf unit frames? |
| 04:44.00 | Wayf | http://puu.sh/6Pgwy.png - empty power bar seems unnecessary but I can't for the life of me figure out how to hide it when a target has none |
| 04:44.22 | Thunder_Child_ | I suspect Shadowed would be since he wrote it. |
| 04:44.39 | Wayf | wow, imagine that, haha |
| 04:44.48 | Wayf | great work, really liking the configuration options so far |
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| 04:45.40 | Wayf | sadly, he seems to have been idle for a really long time |
| 04:46.34 | Thunder_Child_ | The option is probabbly not there since it would only work out of combat. |
| 04:46.43 | Thunder_Child_ | That's a guess anyway |
| 04:48.04 | Wayf | aw, that's a bummer then |
| 04:48.13 | Wayf | would it be possible to code it..? |
| 04:49.18 | Thunder_Child_ | Granted I don't code wow addons, but as I understand it in combat actions tend to be very restrictive. It might be possible. |
| 04:51.23 | Seerah | You could change the alpha/transparency of it in combat, but not really hide it, no |
| 04:51.52 | Seerah | assuming it is a secure frame like the whole unit frame is |
| 04:51.56 | Wayf | strange, I'm sure I've used other frames in the past that didn't always show the power bar |
| 04:52.15 | Dagmar | Same here. Pitbull seems to make it go away properly. |
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| 04:52.41 | Seerah | outside of combat, no problem. Not a secure frame, no problem. As said above. ;) |
| 04:53.30 | Wayf | I'm a bit of a rookie with all this, not sure what a secure frame is |
| 04:53.53 | Seerah | a secure frame is a frame which allows you to perform a secure (protected) action, such as cast a spell, target a unit, etc. |
| 04:53.56 | Wayf | hiding it out of combat would be near perfect |
| 04:56.00 | Wayf | checking one of my other character's frames |
| 04:56.29 | Wayf | it looks like this there, http://puu.sh/6PhhK.png - power bar is easily hidden when it is the same size as the hp bar |
| 04:57.11 | Wayf | well, not easily hidden per se.. just decieves the eye! |
| 05:06.35 | Semlar | a secure bar can be hidden in combat in response to macro conditions |
| 05:06.43 | Neffi | That's totally wrong |
| 05:06.52 | Neffi | Because the power bar wouldnt be a secure frame |
| 05:07.06 | Semlar | can't imagine why it would be |
| 05:07.20 | Neffi | The only secure part about a unit frame is the base frame that gets clicked on. Things like status bars are fair game to be treated however you want |
| 05:09.03 | Semlar | secures neffi to the bedpost |
| 05:09.24 | Neffi | O.O |
| 05:09.27 | Wayf | so it would be possible to hide it out of combat, but not when a target has 0% power, Neffi? |
| 05:09.44 | Semlar | you can hide it whenever you want |
| 05:10.08 | Wayf | oh boy |
| 05:10.21 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child_: Wayf: Shadowed isn't the author of stuf unit frames, TotalPackage is ;-) Shadowed Unit Frames is a different project |
| 05:10.59 | Wayf | I'm guessing it would be a difficult task to add this for a rookie, Semlar? |
| 05:11.01 | Thunder_Child_ | my bad, i missed the t |
| 05:11.09 | Semlar | i have no idea |
| 05:11.24 | Semlar | i haven't seen the code |
| 05:13.29 | Semlar | does Stuf let you hide things in response to events or something? |
| 05:14.25 | Wayf | I have no idea! =| |
| 05:14.34 | Semlar | you're the one using it! |
| 05:15.05 | Wayf | added some opacity to the bar though, it's not staring you in the face as much now: http://puu.sh/6PieH.png |
| 05:15.09 | Wayf | think I can live with that |
| 05:16.29 | Neffi | doesnt appear to |
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| 05:57.57 | Kraps | " I personally can't stand to play a female character with a skimpy transmog, as I get the need to pleasure myself too often and it distracts me from the game." |
| 05:58.17 | Guest77658 | .. |
| 05:58.43 | Wayf | thanks for the help, good night |
| 06:04.36 | karl_w_w | that guy has some problems Kraps |
| 06:05.17 | Neffi | Namely hormones from undergoing puberty |
| 06:06.55 | karl_w_w | its more than that |
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| 06:22.57 | Kraps | http://i.imgur.com/z0T6PYM.png |
| 06:23.21 | DJJeff | http://i.imgur.com/MTJJCOZ.jpg |
| 06:23.42 | DJJeff | being level 1 on timeless isle |
| 06:24.44 | DJJeff | Realm: Area52 || Faction: Horde |
| 06:35.52 | Semlar | blaze it |
| 06:41.48 | DJJeff | haha ya |
| 06:42.00 | DJJeff | people asked me to set the timers to 420% |
| 06:55.57 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.04 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKTJCzmFQIU this should make some people feel old |
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| 07:43.42 | karl_w_w | the downhill skiing is an underrated event |
| 07:45.03 | Semlar | i prefer the uphill skiing |
| 07:50.37 | karl_w_w | that's because you're a sadist |
| 07:51.27 | Torhal | Gethe: Herro. |
| 07:51.43 | Gethe | Torhal: hi |
| 07:51.56 | Torhal | Gethe: Killing Garrosh, are ye? |
| 07:52.15 | Gethe | no |
| 07:52.30 | Gethe | galakras atm |
| 07:52.47 | Torhal | Gethe: So you aren't on Azuremyst? |
| 07:52.58 | Gethe | i am |
| 07:53.22 | Torhal | Ok, I thought it was you. (I also have no idea of WoW's raid content anymore, I'm just an AddOn dude) |
| 07:54.17 | Gethe | yeah im usually on my monk Chundashi though |
| 07:54.27 | Torhal | Aah |
| 07:57.09 | Semlar | is there a way to force a save of a frame's dimensions when using SetUserPlaced |
| 07:57.17 | Semlar | but resizing it with a script |
| 08:00.07 | Semlar | ah nevermind i got it |
| 08:00.37 | Semlar | i forgot to SetResizable |
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| 08:07.17 | Mr_Rabies | is there anyway to avoid that kind of exploiting, djjeff? |
| 08:18.02 | Semlar | not really |
| 08:18.38 | Semlar | the addon has to rely on reports from players, it can't know whether they're lying or not |
| 08:19.01 | Semlar | it can discard data it knows is invalid though |
| 08:20.24 | Semlar | or if someone dumps a ton of reports at once it could blacklist them |
| 08:21.36 | nevcairiel | it could as well blacklist > 100% :p |
| 08:22.09 | Semlar | yeah it could have some logic that would check that data is actually valid |
| 08:22.34 | Fisker | my sides nevcairiel |
| 08:22.39 | Fisker | https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=6jjAAgAAQBAJ |
| 08:23.19 | nevcairiel | Fisker: sounds like a book worth reading |
| 08:23.38 | Fisker | definitely! |
| 08:24.08 | nevcairiel | does it come for kindle? |
| 08:24.18 | bluspacecow | lol dog user |
| 08:24.28 | bluspacecow | dong user |
| 08:24.34 | sintAcks | slaps bluspacecow around a bit with a large trout | 4,823 tributes to Monty Python |
| 08:24.41 | bluspacecow | :3 |
| 08:27.54 | Fisker | idk |
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| 08:39.55 | Fisker | I'm the maddest hatter |
| 08:45.25 | Semlar | hatters gonna hat |
| 09:11.21 | DJJeff | karl_w_w: nice youtube link |
| 09:11.28 | DJJeff | <3 the call on me song... |
| 09:11.44 | DJJeff | @ 1m:20sec |
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| 09:19.35 | DJJeff | <3 nelly furtado |
| 09:24.03 | jleclanche | yes |
| 09:24.08 | jleclanche | best github change ever |
| 09:24.13 | jleclanche | you can now create new repos from any page |
| 09:24.26 | jleclanche | oh and new issues local to the repo too |
| 09:24.27 | jleclanche | <3 |
| 09:26.54 | nevcairiel | ...how would issues otherwise work if not local to your repo? |
| 09:28.02 | jleclanche | i mean you can now create them on any page from the repo |
| 09:28.14 | jleclanche | this is a great workflow |
| 09:28.49 | nevcairiel | except that the button has a dropdown menu, those dont make for great workflow |
| 09:30.54 | Fisker | love me nevcairiel |
| 09:30.58 | nevcairiel | no |
| 09:31.22 | Fisker | :( |
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| 09:36.08 | rot | morning |
| 09:36.28 | rot | when in a party ('player', 'party1', 'party2'), removing a member changes the indexes? |
| 09:36.49 | rot | like, removing 'party1'....'party2' become 'party1' right away? |
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| 09:38.32 | jleclanche | rot: it depends who leaves |
| 09:39.08 | rot | what I meant is....in a 2-player party, units are always 'player' and 'party1'? |
| 09:39.20 | jleclanche | yes |
| 09:39.59 | jleclanche | you wont have party4 hanging around in a 2-player party |
| 09:40.48 | rot | I can predict the unitIDs, if i remove 'party1' member? |
| 09:40.55 | rot | Can I? * |
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| 09:41.24 | jleclanche | if you remove party1 in a 5 player party, the units will become player, party1, party2, party3 |
| 09:41.54 | jleclanche | to be clear: partyN are shortcuts to access the Nth player in your party |
| 09:41.55 | rot | sure, but can I assume the new party1 was the previous party2? |
| 09:42.05 | jleclanche | no you cant, it depends who leaves |
| 09:42.10 | jleclanche | i mean |
| 09:42.29 | jleclanche | actually yeah, if someone leaves you can predict it. but not if someone enters |
| 09:43.00 | rot | ah so, the new member could take up party1 spot? |
| 09:43.06 | jleclanche | ya |
| 09:43.14 | rot | and that's somewhat random? |
| 09:43.36 | rot | I'm dealing with a "party frame" |
| 09:43.41 | jleclanche | somewhat yes. but in an LFD group its also based on roles |
| 09:43.48 | jleclanche | eg. tank will always be as high as possible, then healer |
| 09:43.53 | rot | so I would like to know what to do when the event fires :P |
| 09:44.05 | jleclanche | you shouldnt have to worry about it |
| 09:44.21 | jleclanche | you just use party1 .. 4 as unit ids everywhere |
| 09:44.36 | jleclanche | when the event fires, you update everything |
| 09:44.49 | rot | <jleclanche> when the event fires, you update everything |
| 09:44.59 | rot | that's what I wanted to prevent :D |
| 09:45.05 | rot | but yeah, I'll just do that |
| 09:45.14 | jleclanche | you can ask Shadowed i guess |
| 09:45.25 | jleclanche | theres a few unit frames authors in this chan |
| 09:45.43 | jleclanche | if someone leaves i think its predictable |
| 09:45.53 | Corv | Unless you're doing something that relies on latency or the like, don't worry about the effiency *too* much. |
| 09:45.54 | jleclanche | but yeah i wouldnt bother |
| 09:45.55 | Semlar | that seems awfully dangerous |
| 09:46.34 | rot | well, I'm saving a table with unitIDs and names...so I could "move" frames around... |
| 09:46.42 | rot | but yeah, seems dangerous |
| 09:47.08 | jleclanche | playing with ketchup too much you end up with spaghetti |
| 09:47.13 | rot | anyway, it's just a matter of change fontstring/values/colors |
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| 09:47.33 | Semlar | if it makes you feel any better my nameplates change font string values and colors on update |
| 09:47.38 | rot | so it will be fast enoght anyway |
| 09:47.46 | rot | Semlar ehehe |
| 09:48.04 | rot | I guess that's the reason most nameplates eats lot of memory? |
| 09:48.28 | Semlar | they use a decent amount of cpu |
| 09:48.45 | Semlar | there aren't really any events to watch |
| 09:48.53 | Semlar | so you just have to keep checking things |
| 09:49.18 | rot | so you use OnUpdate, without a throttle? |
| 09:49.26 | Semlar | i do |
| 09:49.47 | rot | aka, changing fs and values like 60 times per second? |
| 09:49.51 | Semlar | i'm sure some of the other ones are throttled |
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| 09:50.18 | rot | eheh, no wonder that's cpu intensive :) |
| 09:50.19 | Semlar | i don't anchor mine to the nameplates so they have to be manually repositioned on update anyway |
| 09:55.33 | jleclanche | I just realized i could bottom-post with gmail by simply selecting all text before hitting reply. |
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| 09:58.24 | Semlar | is there a "resize handle" texture in the interface somewhere |
| 09:58.32 | Semlar | like a little triangle |
| 09:58.40 | Corv | gotta be, chat frame uses it |
| 09:58.44 | Semlar | ah |
| 09:58.50 | Semlar | that'll work |
| 09:59.43 | Corv | Interface/CHATFRAME/UI-ChatIM-SizeGrabber-Down |
| 10:04.05 | Semlar | yar |
| 10:04.27 | Fisker | lol |
| 10:04.33 | Fisker | Looking at some of the top apps in the store by Dong Nguyen, I hate to say it, but it looks really similar to bot activity. |
| 10:04.45 | Fisker | It’s the first time in the app store that I’ve ever seen this and, if it turns out that it’s just a wildly viral game like Gangnam Style, my hat is off to Mr. Nguyen and I wish him the very best of luck and success. |
| 10:04.55 | Fisker | "It looks like bot activity, I know from having seen it for the first time" |
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| 10:49.32 | sintAcks | weee |
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| 12:49.43 | tissle | in bindings.xml - can i make a key do something, depending on its current state? for example if the spell on the button is active, i cancel it and vice versa? |
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| 12:55.57 | tissle | nvm, i figured out how, now i just gotta make it work |
| 13:07.02 | znf | http://ponzi.io/index2.html |
| 13:07.05 | znf | it was a matter of time :D |
| 13:13.18 | nevcairiel | why would they even call it ponzi :p |
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| 13:17.52 | VIad | I am gonna stay away from bitcoin |
| 13:22.15 | Amarande | heh, coins are ultimately part of the reason I switched from AMD to nVidia, too |
| 13:23.06 | Amarande | Radeons are too damn good at compute, so anything above a 270X (which I'm not sure would even have been enough of an upgrade to really justify spending money on) these days has an effing $100-200 price hike that we could call a "litecoin mining premium" :P |
| 13:23.38 | Amarande | GTX's are not very good at compute (excepting the Titan), so a 770 is still reasonably priced for a high-end gamer card. :) |
| 13:23.48 | Brulath | yeah but then with nvidia you get crash heaven so it's not so great a deal |
| 13:23.56 | Amarande | hmm |
| 13:24.01 | nebula169 | crash heaven? i'd call that an amd perk |
| 13:24.12 | zenzelezz | I have good and bad experiences with both |
| 13:24.17 | Brulath | 680s are pretty bad with windows 8 |
| 13:24.17 | Amarande | I haven't had anything crash, except when I tried to analyse chess while playing LOTRO at the same time and apparently I don't have quite that much CPU to spare LOL |
| 13:24.21 | zenzelezz | I find it still motly comes down to fanboyism and corner cases |
| 13:24.31 | nebula169 | i went through three 7780 because i said fuck it |
| 13:24.36 | nebula169 | before* |
| 13:24.37 | nevcairiel | everyone has their little stories, and whomever you ask, you get a story about some bad GPU vendor :p |
| 13:24.43 | nebula169 | erm 7870* |
| 13:24.44 | Amarande | and then it wasn't so much a matter of crash as "crap the CPU's so overloaded all I can do is exit something from task manager forcibly to bring it down" |
| 13:25.08 | Amarande | Brulath: interesting, since the 770 is basically a 680 apparently, and it's working like a charm on 8.1 so far :) |
| 13:25.22 | nevcairiel | Amarande: its a completely different card |
| 13:25.31 | Amarande | also I will never buy an ASUS "DirectCU2" Radeon again |
| 13:26.00 | zenzelezz | DirectCU2? Sounds silly |
| 13:26.05 | Amarande | not that the HD 7850 I had of theirs was an awful card (it wasn't, it's everything you can expect from a card of that tier), but because of the complete pain in the ass it is when you try to upgrade from it |
| 13:26.08 | Brulath | haha, you're pretty lucky |
| 13:26.11 | Amarande | zenzelezz, that's what they call their cooler |
| 13:26.30 | nebula169 | what's wrong with it? the cards are huge, but didn't cause any issues |
| 13:26.40 | zenzelezz | I can picture many "DirectCO2 lulz" when they released that |
| 13:26.57 | nevcairiel | its a U |
| 13:26.58 | Amarande | nebula169: the cooler placement results in it being a labour of Hercules to remove the damned PCI-E power cable without breaking, or at least feeling like you're gonna break the card |
| 13:27.18 | nevcairiel | like, for direct copper cooler block |
| 13:27.22 | nebula169 | yea, it is kinda wedged in there |
| 13:27.31 | nebula169 | not too terribly difficult to remove, though |
| 13:27.46 | Amarande | by comparison, the GTX 770's power connectors are conveniently on an exposed part of the side |
| 13:28.44 | Brulath | that they even need external power connectors is kinda daft though, intel should've foreseen that |
| 13:29.01 | Amarande | (or worse, the cable, which would have forced me to get out my old octopus or blow $100+ on a new PSU, given that the 770 needs BOTH of my PCI-E power cables) |
| 13:29.14 | Amarande | Brulath: actually the PCI-E power standard itself is the limitation there |
| 13:29.27 | Amarande | a card can only get like ... I think it's 75W or so from the slot |
| 13:29.27 | nevcairiel | what does intel have to do with it at all :D |
| 13:29.37 | nebula169 | power through the bus? |
| 13:29.44 | Brulath | i assumed intel designed it, am I mistaken? |
| 13:29.49 | Amarande | so unless we're going to limit video cards to something horribly wimpy, yeah, you need external power for them :) |
| 13:29.56 | Amarande | would you rather they needed *EXTERNAL* power? |
| 13:29.57 | nevcairiel | anyway, trying to cater to high end GPUs through the main board is not a good idea |
| 13:30.01 | Amarande | like the Voodoo5 6000 was going to need? LOL |
| 13:30.14 | nevcairiel | extra power connectors are not too terrible |
| 13:30.24 | Amarande | apparently that one was going to need a full-scale wall wart |
| 13:31.03 | Amarande | since the AGP bus didn't have enough juice and they didn't *have* GPU power cables as standard on the PSU yet then |
| 13:31.36 | Brulath | that would've been pretty large |
| 13:31.55 | Amarande | (probably one of the reasons it never hit the market, although apparently prototypes were made and are public knowledge, and they DID require a wall wart) |
| 13:32.15 | zenzelezz | I remember when you connected a molex cable to the videocard |
| 13:32.30 | nevcairiel | yeah i had one of those |
| 13:32.33 | nevcairiel | first gen extra power |
| 13:32.52 | Amarande | of course, I hear in a year or two we'll all be blowing $100+ on a new PSU |
| 13:33.06 | nevcairiel | why would I do that |
| 13:33.13 | Amarande | nev: there's indication that broadwell and onwards will need some other extra power doodad for the mobo that isn't available yet on current PSUs |
| 13:33.14 | nevcairiel | GPUs cannot really rise in power consumption anymore |
| 13:33.18 | Brulath | aren't they generally decreasing power requirements? |
| 13:33.28 | nebula169 | yea, wattage is generally decreasing |
| 13:33.46 | nevcairiel | Amarande: they'll just invent adapters if need be |
| 13:34.14 | Amarande | hmm, any idea when broadwell is supposed to actually make it out now? |
| 13:34.28 | nevcairiel | maybe for holiday season (ie. christmas) |
| 13:34.31 | Amarande | and will it be ddr3 or ddr4? |
| 13:35.22 | Amarande | that keeps seeming to flip flop and be fuzzy :S |
| 13:35.32 | Amarande | apparently the only definite at this point is that Haswell-E is apparently supposed to be DDR4 |
| 13:36.26 | nevcairiel | might stick with ddr3 for the consumer generation |
| 13:36.58 | nevcairiel | because of the price of ddr4 in the first year or so |
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| 13:38.56 | Amarande | not that the price of ddr3 is all that great shakes either |
| 13:39.12 | Amarande | though I could keep my old RAM then anyway, although it's old 1333 stuff :) |
| 13:39.39 | nevcairiel | everyone keeps claiming that, but a 16GB set for $150 is still cheap :P |
| 13:40.11 | Amarande | still way more than what it was when most of us bought our RAM :S |
| 13:40.39 | Amarande | seems like after the hynix fire they basically decided "meh DDR4's almost out let's move the EOL price hike now and leave it there" |
| 13:40.41 | nevcairiel | just buy high-end RAM, their prices didnt change much over the time |
| 13:41.13 | Amarande | hmm, what are the shell shockers today. newegg, why do you love portable phone chargers, headphones, and powerline ethernet so much? :) |
| 13:41.39 | Brulath | because they're cheap, probably |
| 13:41.54 | tissle | in bindings.xml - if i wish to make a buttonclick do separate things depending on if a spell is active or not - can that be achieved? |
| 13:42.21 | Brulath | unlikely? isn't that sort of stuff prohibited in combat? |
| 13:44.48 | tissle | the buttons are setup with secureactionbuttontemplate and ive defined left and rightclick actions with SetAttribute |
| 13:45.02 | tissle | i was hoping something like that could be done for keybind aswell |
| 13:45.27 | tissle | clicking the key with a spell active is supposed to disable it, and vice versa |
| 13:47.23 | Amarande | tissle, there's a very careful amount of stuff you're allowed to do :) |
| 13:47.39 | tissle | i know |
| 13:47.51 | Amarande | hell the main reason the last thing you mention is even allowed is because certain skills are meant to be toggles by design and used as such and it would be seen as TOO draconian to limit that |
| 13:48.02 | tissle | yes |
| 13:48.35 | Amarande | CLap on! *clap clap* Clap off! *clap clap* ACTION FAILED BECAUSE OF AN ADDON :) |
| 13:49.30 | Amarande | Probably wouldn't sell many clappers if you did that one LOL |
| 13:49.33 | Amarande | speaking of which, whatever *did* happen to the Clapper, you don't see it on TV much at all anymore heh |
| 13:49.34 | tissle | yes, i am aware of this and thats why i ask - does it work |
| 13:49.56 | Amarande | hmmmm ... that's a good question |
| 13:50.22 | Amarande | the main experience I have with anything that could resemble that is going in and out of stealth when I tried to have bartender set to not change button pages when doing so |
| 13:50.42 | Amarande | (which apparently the game doesn't let you actually DO, from what I understand - bartender has to let it get changed and then force it *back* afterwards) |
| 13:51.07 | Amarande | it seems like it may or may not work, since there seemed to be a partial block on such actions but not a full one |
| 13:51.17 | Brulath | out of curiosity, why wouldn't you want it to swap? |
| 13:51.19 | tissle | skills such as aspect of the hawk is toggle spell nomatter if u cast or uncast it |
| 13:51.34 | Amarande | (The bars would stay as I set them and the buttons would function accordingly, but every time I would attack something out of stealth I'd hear BugSack go off with a warning) |
| 13:51.42 | tissle | but for ex feign death - sure it removes it self when moving, but thats not what i want to achieve |
| 13:51.58 | Amarande | Brulath: I was a wee little low level rogue (okay, dwarves aren't realy that wee, I guess, LOL, but ...) |
| 13:52.30 | Amarande | and at the time it felt more inconvenient to have to maintain separate bars (especially since you actually had to GO in and out of stealth to assign them) than to squeeze everything on one bar |
| 13:52.43 | Amarande | (bugsack and eventually just getting more of my skills and finding there Just Wasn't Room disabused me of that one LOL) |
| 13:53.13 | Brulath | 'bout the most you could do is write a macro that works with modifiers, I assume. cancelaura if shift is held down? I've not actually tried that, i assume anything that requires you to write an if statement would fail spectacularly though |
| 13:53.27 | Amarande | I've still never leveled beyond the high 40s or so on a rogue, and before Ailruna, I hadn't ever leveled past about 23 on one, heh |
| 13:54.37 | Amarande | but yeah, on the technical side, I'm not exactly sure what is and isn't allowed, because like I said, when suppressing paging like that, it would appear everything *functioned* fine, but something was obviously still being blocked behind the scenes, because BugSack kept going off |
| 13:54.38 | Brulath | rogue's pretty easy to level with heirlooms - but then again, everything is |
| 13:54.51 | Amarande | (and it *only* did it when I was going out of stealth into combat, so it was definitely a combat related thing) |
| 13:55.37 | Amarande | and I think it might be at least partly relevant to this discussion (since "stealth" or not is presumably handled as a spell effect, so it does fall under "is spell active?" territory) |
| 13:55.43 | Brulath | bugsack's beeping is the first thing to be disabled when it's installed whilst using a lot of other addons :s |
| 13:56.06 | Amarande | heh, pity I don't have very many heirlooms |
| 13:56.25 | Amarande | I think Ailruna does have a couple, but not many (basically, just the ones that you could buy with gold) |
| 13:56.50 | Amarande | in particular, I've only ever gotten my hands on a couple of the weapons, primarily because my play pattern tends to leave me without resources to do so |
| 13:58.45 | Brulath | scenarios are a fairly efficient method of acquiring justice when you have a little gear, guess heroics would be superior but depends on role |
| 14:00.34 | Brulath | kinda wish valor acquired above the cap would convert to justice, but then I guess it'd become more obvious that there isn't actually anything worth spending it on |
| 14:00.39 | Brulath | once you have heirlooms |
| 14:01.48 | VIad | not sure but I think by setting a .1 sleep on the OnUpdate function of my nameplate, made the memory usage go down a lot |
| 14:02.20 | VIad | made my plates by attaching them to the original once, hiding their nameframe and barframe children and having my own "wrapper" frame containing my own stuff |
| 14:02.34 | VIad | had to hook the original onshow, onhide and onupdate to copy data over from the blizzard bars to my own bars |
| 14:03.58 | VIad | actually I discovered that in combat you cant :Hide these frames |
| 14:04.05 | VIad | so meanwhile I set their alpha to 0 to hide them :P |
| 14:05.08 | Brulath | YOURS END UP WITH PERFORMANCE ISSUES WHEN OVERLAPPING? |
| 14:05.13 | Brulath | woah, caps |
| 14:05.30 | Brulath | don't throw little foam balls around, they hit the keyboard and press random buttons |
| 14:05.38 | Amarande | Brulath: yeah, actually I keep thinking that would be a better way to help fix the tank shortage |
| 14:05.52 | Amarande | I never noticed it be a problem in Wrath, but in Cata and later it got bad enough that they had to bribe tanks with satchels |
| 14:06.49 | Amarande | and correspondingly, I've noticed that since Cata, there's been a lot less to spend Justice and Valor on in the long run, which I've thought of as part of the reason (because it means the primary rewards from continuing to run instances are of little worth, compared to Wrath where you could at least buy epic gems and sell them on the AH) |
| 14:07.08 | VIad | Brulath: my namepaltes? not really, not that I can see atm |
| 14:07.18 | VIad | it's much better than my old nameplates that I made for early 5.x |
| 14:08.41 | Brulath | they'd almost be better off removing justice and just making LFD use the same bag system as scenarios |
| 14:11.07 | Brulath | same with honor and pvp gear, probably |
| 14:11.34 | Brulath | less reliable for the players, I guess |
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| 14:54.42 | Brulath | hmm, I had thought the garrison UI would make a pretty good upgrade to the tradeskill interface, but my super basic xml-only mockup hasn't convinced me: https://www.dropbox.com/s/q8921j8gr3sp32l/Screenshot%202014-02-10%2001.46.04.png - you can sort of get the gist of what I was thinking, doesn't look like it'd balance out visually though. |
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| 15:32.26 | karl_w_w | why isnt my hexchat connecting to all of the channels in the network entry's auto join? |
| 15:34.41 | karl_w_w | oh, because somehow they have become messed up |
| 15:34.56 | karl_w_w | weird bug, the list of channels has been moved into the password field |
| 15:37.38 | Amarande | huh. haven't seen that happen with mine |
| 15:37.43 | Amarande | what version? |
| 15:38.06 | karl_w_w | 2.9.6 x64 |
| 15:39.47 | Amarande | hmm |
| 15:39.51 | Amarande | ** SysInfo ** Client: HexChat 2.9.6 (x64) ** OS: Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro ** CPU: AMD FX(tm)-6300 Six-Core Processor (4.00 GHz) ** RAM: 16360 MB Total (14403 MB Free) ** VGA: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 ** Uptime: 18.75 Hours ** |
| 15:39.56 | Amarande | yeah, same version here |
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| 15:41.13 | karl_w_w | fixed now |
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| 15:46.23 | TC-Work | I hope that is not a passworx |
| 15:46.27 | TC-Work | password* |
| 15:57.59 | karl_w_w | "fixed now"? |
| 15:58.10 | karl_w_w | i dont have any passwords on irc anyway so it's not |
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| 16:16.18 | Maldivia | jleclanche: http://www.picturesinboxes.com/2014/01/21/garfield1/ |
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| 17:44.37 | Breagha | peeks in |
| 17:44.44 | Breagha | So yeah... new problem... |
| 17:45.01 | Breagha | Or well... suppose not a problem... it works... it just doesn't look terribly pretty |
| 17:45.04 | Breagha | http://pastebin.com/jMCedpES |
| 17:45.11 | Breagha | An easier way to do that? |
| 17:45.31 | Breagha | v.v |
| 17:45.32 | TC-Work | Cant you use case? |
| 17:45.59 | Breagha | I don't know how to, haven't come across it yet... I sorta learn by what I see... v.v |
| 17:46.26 | TC-Work | http://lua-users.org/wiki/SwitchStatement Might help? |
| 17:47.00 | TC-Work | Oh, lua has no case, nvm |
| 17:47.23 | Breagha | Oh... right... |
| 17:49.04 | Breagha | Well, I'll have a look at what they say on this page :) |
| 17:51.16 | TC-Work | Seems I should have been saying swtich. |
| 17:52.43 | Breagha | I don't follow? |
| 17:53.38 | Arrowmaster | you do case statements using tables |
| 17:54.03 | Breagha | Yes, I'm reading that now :) - TC-Work showed me a good page :) |
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| 18:21.56 | Semlar | not enough context to suggest an alternative breagha |
| 18:22.37 | Neffi_ | -http://i.imgur.com/IxUie.jpg buy this for me Semlar |
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| 18:25.29 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.01 | Breagha | I found an alternative on the site TC-Work showed me :) |
| 18:26.20 | Neffi_ | Semlar: did you link the correct image? |
| 18:26.24 | Semlar | yes |
| 18:27.03 | Semlar | as if google has any moderation |
| 18:27.29 | Neffi_ | I'd say they sort of do |
| 18:27.55 | Semlar | they've been on a pretty steady decline |
| 18:28.08 | Neffi_ | Their products work as well as ever |
| 18:28.17 | Neffi_ | Oh, you mean moral decline |
| 18:28.32 | Neffi_ | Who isn't? |
| 18:29.42 | Neffi_ | I'm certainly not going to start using Bing and Internet Explorer because of it |
| 18:31.13 | kd3|hate`net | oh wow. debian... /debian/ chose systemd |
| 18:31.21 | haste | which is great! |
| 18:31.27 | kd3|hate`net | I guess it's not just lennart's toy any more |
| 18:47.32 | nevcairiel | too bad debian will use a 2 year old version though |
| 18:47.40 | nevcairiel | 'cause thats what debian is all about! |
| 18:48.46 | Breagha | bounces happily and huggles TC-Work |
| 18:48.53 | Breagha | It works! :D |
| 18:49.15 | Breagha | Thank you for helping me ^^ |
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| 18:56.20 | Hazal | Is there any ways to know how many grantable levels a RAF account has stored? |
| 18:56.28 | Hazal | Or character rather |
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| 19:18.06 | Arrowmaster | kd3: did the others vote yet? i only saw 5 votes last night |
| 19:19.35 | Arrowmaster | and somebody running around reddit claiming systemd won when it hadnt yet |
| 19:23.41 | Arrowmaster | 6 votes but somebody is asking for gpg signed emails |
| 19:26.04 | Arrowmaster | 5 of which are signed and the newest vote for systemd was not signed |
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| 20:00.09 | TC-Work | Breagha: Welcome. |
| 20:00.54 | Breagha | ^^ |
| 20:09.48 | Torhal | sintAcks: ping |
| 20:15.37 | Semlar | can you not use SecureHandlerWrapScript to wrap the OnMouseUp event |
| 20:16.00 | Semlar | it's giving me an Unsupported script type error |
| 20:22.01 | Semlar | well that's annoying |
| 20:35.58 | Breagha | If I try to use ipairs on an empty table, won't it end up in an error? |
| 20:37.10 | nevcairiel | just not return any pairs |
| 20:37.53 | Breagha | Ah, okies |
| 20:38.00 | Semlar | it basically won't do anything |
| 20:39.05 | Breagha | So... the follow up is... If I change a table in a local function, will the table not be changed outside it? |
| 20:39.27 | Humbedooh | depends on what you mean by change |
| 20:39.41 | Breagha | Well, add keys and values |
| 20:39.49 | Humbedooh | that'll persist outside, sure |
| 20:39.58 | karl_w_w | very epic movies: 1981's Excalibur |
| 20:40.00 | Breagha | Hm. |
| 20:40.30 | Humbedooh | talking mountains are always good |
| 20:40.49 | Dagmar | ...assuming you remember eating those little pieces of paper. |
| 20:42.04 | Breagha | http://pastebin.com/FNW2u3tz |
| 20:42.29 | Breagha | I can get it to work all the way up until local getHighRollers = function() |
| 20:42.47 | Breagha | Anybody would be kind enough to tell me what I'm doing wrong? |
| 20:44.36 | nevcairiel | you always assign a empty table to old rollers, that seems odd |
| 20:45.58 | Breagha | No, that's a leftover from something I'd like to do with the tHighToLow - gonna reverse tHighRollers into tHighToLow |
| 20:46.26 | Breagha | Deleted most of it, while I try to figure out why tHighRollers is empty |
| 20:47.47 | nevcairiel | note thay ipairs only works on perfect array tables. may be better to try pairs instead to make sure |
| 20:48.02 | Breagha | I checked with a print(value) in listener, and it does have a value |
| 20:48.10 | Breagha | I'll do that, thank you :) |
| 20:50.29 | Breagha | Humm... that works... But can I trust pairs to sort the table? Isn't that what ipairs does? |
| 20:51.11 | nevcairiel | pairs does not guarantee an order, but ipairs only works if you have a complete array without holes, so unless you can guarantee that, you cannot really use it |
| 20:51.22 | Breagha | Ah, I see >.< |
| 20:51.39 | Breagha | Thanks a lot! :D |
| 20:52.34 | Breagha | table.sort sorts values and not keys, right? |
| 20:53.12 | nevcairiel | yes, but not that all these fancy table functions only work on proper array tables :) |
| 20:53.26 | Breagha | lol |
| 20:53.30 | Breagha | Okies :) |
| 20:53.38 | Breagha | Thankee ^^ |
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| 21:16.20 | Jamash | lua tables are weird |
| 21:16.25 | Jamash | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeird |
| 21:16.49 | Jamash | This concludes my prepared remarks. Thank you. |
| 21:17.28 | karl_w_w | talk! talk is for lovers merlin. |
| 21:17.44 | karl_w_w | i need the sword to be king! |
| 21:35.00 | kd3 | throws something at the curse voice installer |
| 21:35.53 | kd3 | it's a bit concerning when even the home-grown installer fails to work in wine |
| 21:40.05 | Semlar | neffi i can't set the frame's points back to what they were before i cleared them |
| 21:40.36 | Semlar | apparently they're invalid, probably because it's not explicitly protected |
| 21:47.20 | JC33 | Is there any way to retrieve stored global variables in-game? Need them for an external win32 app (logging program). |
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| 21:48.19 | Semlar | saved variables are in the wtf folder |
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| 21:50.44 | JC33 | Custom variables that is; for example if I have a j variable, /script j=33, I want to store it and retrieve from my win32 app. |
| 21:52.49 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 21:54.16 | Semlar | if it's a saved variable you can retrieve it after a reload or exiting the game, otherwise no |
| 21:54.36 | Semlar | if you're trying to do something in real time, it's not going to happen |
| 21:56.20 | JC33 | Got it. Are there basic drawing functions available then to add-on authors? Like drawing a blue square on an in-game frame. |
| 21:58.04 | Semlar | you can do that but you'll have to write it yourself, there isn't like a drawing api |
| 21:59.24 | Semlar | there's at least one addon like this http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/doodlepad |
| 21:59.49 | JC33 | Exactly what I was looking for. |
| 21:59.53 | Neffi_ | JC33: Nothing like Cairo. We create rectangular texture objects which then we can fill with either a texture or a solid color |
| 22:00.12 | JC33 | I will have to use a rainbow barcode encoding to achieve real-time reads. I'll use the lua drawing functions. :) |
| 22:00.20 | Neffi_ | Semlar: So require a reload to disable the addon, I guess |
| 22:00.43 | Semlar | i wanted to put the nameplates back when your mouse left the frame |
| 22:00.44 | JC33 | Neffi, that makes it even easier, actually, since it's a barcode. |
| 22:00.58 | Neffi_ | JC33: What exactly are you doing? Because there's a good chance you're gonna push the boundaries of, or outright break, the terms of use |
| 22:01.07 | Semlar | the child appears to stop being protected after i move it |
| 22:01.09 | Neffi_ | We don't have realtime communication for a reason |
| 22:01.28 | JC33 | I am trying to log the in-game actions of the player into a win32 watcher app |
| 22:01.48 | Semlar | let me rephrase that, the child stops being protected after i move the parent even though the parent remains explicitly protected |
| 22:01.49 | Arrowmaster | yeah if blizz catches you youll get banned for botting |
| 22:02.24 | Neffi_ | Writing this data out to a saved variable, and then gathering that after a reload or exit is okay. But you're most likely breaking the ToU with what you want to do |
| 22:02.43 | Neffi_ | Semlar: strange |
| 22:03.01 | Semlar | it is strange, because the child isn't even anchored to it |
| 22:03.12 | JC33 | The real-time bit is pretty much required, I'll have to read the TOU more closely |
| 22:03.21 | Semlar | and i cant anchor to an unprotected frame |
| 22:03.49 | Neffi_ | This isn't explicitly defined in the ToU, JC33. There are vague clauses so somebody can't study the ToU and find a loophole. |
| 22:04.05 | Neffi_ | Why do you need this data in realtime? |
| 22:08.13 | Semlar | i think you know why |
| 22:08.30 | JC33 | Well here is what I am doing |
| 22:09.25 | JC33 | Basically I am using the WOW client-end to build a computer vision application |
| 22:09.51 | JC33 | For use later with AI as the visual cortex, for real-world applications (robotics etc) |
| 22:09.52 | Arrowmaster | yeah its been done before |
| 22:10.18 | Amarande | oh, Blizzard would go ballistic on that one :) |
| 22:10.37 | Amarande | sounds like your research points towards the ultimate bot :| the one that no amount of warden will detect, at that :| |
| 22:10.53 | Amarande | as in, the kind of bot where you put an actual robot in a chair in front of the keyboard and have it play the game like it was a person ... heh |
| 22:10.56 | JC33 | Correct, but that's inevitable |
| 22:11.16 | JC33 | If there is no cheating occurring I should be okay, right? Or automation etc. |
| 22:11.24 | Neffi | Yeah I dont see this work even being remotely okay with Blizz |
| 22:11.25 | Semlar | no |
| 22:11.35 | Semlar | it doesn't matter if you're cheating |
| 22:11.41 | Amarande | though I suppose *that* situation will have to be addressed sooner or later anyway, given the general thoughts on technological evolution |
| 22:11.59 | Amarande | sooner or later, we're going to hit the singularity, at which point it's only a matter of time before we have to deal with actual minefields like robots' rights and such, I suppose |
| 22:12.15 | Neffi | Amarande: Let's not get into a philosophical debate on the meaning of life and sentience |
| 22:12.23 | Neffi | And oh god you mentioned the singularity |
| 22:12.33 | JC33 | Exactly. It's a perfect test environment since it's constantly in motion and contains all the effects a real-world environment in a more complicated array |
| 22:13.00 | Amarande | JC33: I'd recommend tinkering with one of the open source MMOs from sourceforge |
| 22:13.18 | Amarande | that way you don't step on TOUs and you can also tinker the engine itself as needed to better suit the experiment |
| 22:13.20 | Neffi | Hey if you want to do it, nobody can stop you. It isn't explicitly forbidden. And you're not technically cheating. But it's definitely in a grey area and you risk your account. |
| 22:14.09 | JC33 | I had read that some authors can get authentication/verification from blizz for their projects, maybe that's the way to go |
| 22:14.10 | Semlar | it's not a grey area, blizzard will ban you if you read the memory |
| 22:14.26 | Semlar | in real-time |
| 22:14.35 | Semlar | assuming they detect it |
| 22:14.37 | kd3|hate`net | send an email to legal@blizzard.com, that's the easiest way to get a hold of them |
| 22:14.39 | Arrowmaster | JC33: no authors get explicit permission for anything |
| 22:14.45 | kd3 | but, ^ |
| 22:14.56 | Amarande | something like http://sourceforge.net/projects/arianne/ might be to your liking to tinker with, perhaps? |
| 22:15.03 | JC33 | There's no memory reading occurring. I'll encode each data character byte as a long pixel value, print to screen in real-time, read from win32 in real time, then process. |
| 22:15.04 | Neffi | Our implicit permission is that the capabiluty to make addons exists. |
| 22:15.40 | Amarande | Semlar: I've always wondered about that, can you actually get banned if you do something innocuous like knee-jerk run a virus scan while you're still logged onto WoW or the like, because malwarebytes etc. scanning the memory trips the bot detector? |
| 22:16.07 | Amarande | or does it somehow know such innocent uses from potentially violatory ones? |
| 22:16.22 | Arrowmaster | it does |
| 22:17.06 | Semlar | i wouldn't take this as fact but i don't think warden will actually detect everything that just scans over the memory |
| 22:19.02 | Semlar | bots have to actually inject code that hooks internal api calls from the game |
| 22:19.19 | Semlar | which is super obvious to warden |
| 22:19.34 | Amarande | and I presume Blizzard takes considerable care not to end up the next Even Balance, too :) |
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| 22:20.21 | JC33 | Hmm what is Even Balance? |
| 22:20.50 | Amarande | JC33: Even Balance is a company that produces another well-known anti-cheat system called Punkbuster |
| 22:21.13 | Amarande | except Punkbuster IS ridiculously paranoid and will happily ban you for all kinds of innocent acts ... hell apparently even being in an IRC channel that gets spammed with cheat signatures will do it for PB :P |
| 22:21.33 | Amarande | I'm *most* glad Warden (and to my knowledge Steam's VAC) is more discerning heh |
| 22:23.28 | JC33 | I assume Warden is scanning memory offsets, CRCs, and certain file/process names |
| 22:23.37 | Amarande | (On top of that, if people DO get banned erroneously, Blizzard seems to be a lot more caring about the situation, whereas Even Balance just expects you to be willing to close all your applications every time you launch a game) |
| 22:23.49 | JC33 | Not sure if it knows when win32 APIs are directed to WOW or if that's possible though |
| 22:24.35 | Amarande | But yeah, much as it seems like an interesting bit of research for robotics, your experiment is dangerous and I don't recommend you try it on a commercial MMO |
| 22:24.54 | Amarande | Like I said, I'd suggest something like that open source engine from Sourceforge |
| 22:26.19 | Amarande | (Again, not only won't it get you banned from somewhere, it'll also mean you can actually tweak the actual *game* as desired) |
| 22:31.37 | Semlar | i don't suppose there's any way to explicitly protect a frame |
| 22:32.06 | Semlar | like turn it into a secure frame after it's already been created |
| 22:34.43 | Semlar | neffi why are there asterisks in the table http://wowpedia.org/RestrictedEnvironment but no explanation as to what they mean |
| 22:37.32 | Amarande | Semlar: hm, gut feeling suggests no |
| 22:37.45 | Semlar | yeah i don't think so |
| 22:37.48 | Amarande | that would seem like it would too easily let you slip arbitrary functionality into a secure frame :S |
| 22:37.50 | Semlar | it was worth a shot |
| 22:38.34 | Semlar | i'm moving one of blizzard's frame's that's attached to another blizzard frame and i can't reattach it to what it was previously attached to because it's not secure |
| 22:39.08 | kd3 | only methods marked with a star may be called on references to non-protected frames. |
| 22:39.16 | kd3 | (from earlier in the page history) |
| 22:39.41 | Semlar | ah |
| 22:40.12 | Semlar | it's just confusing that there are asterisks but no footnote |
| 22:41.07 | Neffi | So add a footnote |
| 22:41.15 | Semlar | i don't know what they mean! |
| 22:41.21 | Semlar | well now i do |
| 22:41.23 | kd3 | has already edited the page |
| 22:41.23 | Semlar | but i didn't |
| 22:41.53 | Semlar | pats kd3 |
| 22:42.02 | Neffi | ~kd3cookie |
| 22:42.55 | Semlar | i would probably also put a star next to the note because i don't actually read anything and just searched for * trying to figure out what it was |
| 22:43.27 | Semlar | i'm illiterate you see |
| 22:50.28 | Semlar | alright i changed the child's parent to WorldFrame and set the parent of the parent to the child, this can only end well |
| 22:51.22 | Neffi | explodes. |
| 22:51.33 | Semlar | this definitely won't work with any nameplate addons |
| 22:52.43 | Semlar | not that it really would have worked before |
| 22:55.50 | Semlar | oh god |
| 22:56.44 | Semlar | To help us identify the problem please describe what you were doing when the error occurred |
| 22:57.37 | Semlar | neffi i accidentally fatal exception |
| 22:57.50 | Neffi | How? |
| 22:57.55 | Semlar | i'm not sure.. |
| 22:58.28 | Semlar | don't try and reparent the child to the parent though |
| 22:58.45 | Neffi | That shouldnt happe |
| 22:59.16 | Semlar | i mean the parent to the child |
| 22:59.29 | Semlar | it wasn't a loop because i reparented the child first |
| 23:00.20 | Neffi | cool stuff http://imgur.com/a/TiQ48?gallery |
| 23:00.22 | Semlar | it was working up until i think one of the nameplates tried to get recycled |
| 23:01.02 | Semlar | then the client crashed |
| 23:01.19 | Neffi | Yeah, you probably violated an assumption of the C-side nameplate code |
| 23:01.53 | Semlar | that's what happens when you go around assuming things |
| 23:02.17 | Torhal | This is why I always assume stuff, not things. |
| 23:02.33 | Semlar | things like "the parent frame shouldn't change" |
| 23:05.20 | Neffi | Off to make tacos. Good luck crashing the client Semlar |
| 23:05.35 | Semlar | i don't need luck |
| 23:05.52 | Semlar | i can crash the client all on my own thank you very much |
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| 23:22.49 | Arrowmaster | HOLY SHIT |
| 23:22.53 | Arrowmaster | https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00344.html |
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| 23:23.42 | Arrowmaster | the Canonical employees are trying to forcibly take over debian now |
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| 23:25.08 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar, kd3, jleclanche: ^^^ |
| 23:25.31 | haste | isn't Ian a debian dev? |
| 23:25.34 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 23:25.42 | Arrowmaster | and former Debian project leader |
| 23:25.54 | kd3 | holy crap |
| 23:27.47 | Arrowmaster | well former Canonical employee but hes been doing everything possible to get upstart selected as the new init system |
| 23:30.12 | Arrowmaster | https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00367.html |
| 23:31.45 | Neffi | So he starts a god-damned mutiny? fuck |
| 23:32.02 | haste | oh joy |
| 23:32.28 | kd3 | the entire month has been insanity, looking at the threads... https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/threads.html |
| 23:33.12 | Arrowmaster | hes claiming Bdales recent call for votes wasnt legal |
| 23:33.28 | Arrowmaster | which could be true |
| 23:33.56 | Arrowmaster | but imho he should have issued a protest to the vote and called for it to be annulled instead |
| 23:34.15 | Amarande | what would be a good reason to push upstart that heavily? |
| 23:34.31 | Arrowmaster | hes the upstart maintainer for debian and ubuntu i think |
| 23:34.33 | kd3 | because he's heavily invested in it? |
| 23:34.45 | Amarande | or are they trying to basically warp and twist Debian into something whose main purpose is to serve as the base for Ubuntu rather than be a dist of its own? :S |
| 23:35.12 | Arrowmaster | one of the 3 Canonical employees/former employees is the maintainer in both distros, the rest have heavily involved in it too |
| 23:36.25 | Arrowmaster | the main issue everybody else has is that upstart has a CLA which unless its abolished means to get patches into the upstream release you must sign the copyright over to Canonical |
| 23:37.17 | haste | ugh, that's fairly ugly |
| 23:38.28 | Arrowmaster | if they really want upstart as the default init they should have started working on the CLA issue while postponing the votes |
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| 23:39.26 | haste | I've been hoping for systemd since the start, was glad to see it finally come through |
| 23:39.39 | haste | but this just keeps escalating into stupidity |
| 23:39.48 | Arrowmaster | i was hoping for systemd or openrc but they all seem against openrc |
| 23:40.05 | Arrowmaster | but openrc may still be an option for non-linux kernels |
| 23:40.06 | haste | not a fan of OpenRC |
| 23:40.27 | haste | it has portability, but not that good functionality |
| 23:40.54 | Arrowmaster | well its better than sysvinit |
| 23:41.10 | haste | not really hard :P |
| 23:43.11 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: then just fork the thing, it's GPL |
| 23:43.29 | Amarande | pretty sure you can't keep someone from adding their code to your GPL release without giving you the copyright, you can only force them to make it GPL :) |
| 23:43.56 | Arrowmaster | they can fork it but then debian would be the only maintainers of the new fork |
| 23:44.14 | Arrowmaster | the question is if its worth all that effort |
| 23:45.53 | Amarande | hm. would it be possible to upend upstart by claiming that that "copyright signover clause" makes it non-free? |
| 23:46.05 | Amarande | that seems *really* iffy, from what I gather of debian standards |
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| 23:49.07 | Amarande | and for that matter why is canonical so obsessed with owning everything on a GPL project anyway |
| 23:49.29 | Amarande | unless they plan to shiftily take it closed source at some point, which would be the only thing that you *have to* fully own a copyright for from what I understand on GPL |
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| 23:57.19 | Wayf | anyone familiar with Mik's Scrolling Battle Text at all? |
| 23:57.56 | Wayf | http://puu.sh/6Qj1R.png - want to get rid of the teal text (what does that 215 number even mean?!) and would also like to get rid of the [2 Hits] indicatior |
| 23:57.59 | Wayf | no clue what that is either |
| 23:58.19 | Wayf | and haven't been able to find it in the options |
| 23:59.20 | Wayf | woah, managed to find the teal one, it was overhealing |
| 23:59.24 | Wayf | now for the [2 Hits] |
