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| 00:10.46 | kd3 | bah. it's so windy I was getting buffeted in my mazda3 on the drive home. I could understand a higher-profile truck/van, but a little sedan? |
| 00:27.49 | VIad | idea |
| 00:28.14 | VIad | allow unitID to accept name and return the right value - IF it's a group unit or is targeted by any group member |
| 00:28.18 | VIad | feedback? |
| 00:30.39 | VIad | my reasoning is that addons will anyway iterate trough these units and check their targets - performance wise this is exhausting in the long run, i.e. having an addon do this each half second will have a performance impact in a 40 man battleground |
| 00:30.43 | Amarande | hm, regarding earlier thought on mobs that don't aggro when grey |
| 00:30.52 | Amarande | actually, that's not as rosy a thing as I suggested, when I think about it LOL |
| 00:30.58 | Amarande | there are ... issues with that approach :P |
| 00:31.38 | VIad | talking to me Amarande? |
| 00:31.40 | VIad | doubt it |
| 00:32.09 | Amarande | hm, I'm trying to remember who I was mentioning that to earlier |
| 00:35.08 | Neffi | VIad: That's a valid argument. I would say that instead we should be able to use GUIDs if they are in your group or targeted by somebody in your group |
| 00:35.24 | Neffi | Then again that actually gives us more power than we already have |
| 00:35.57 | VIad | my reasoning is that it only has a performance impact |
| 00:36.00 | Neffi | I can't think of any reason why your idea is bad, but I dont see it happening |
| 00:36.12 | VIad | those with crap machines are going to play with 5 fps to achieve checking for a specific unit (by name) |
| 00:36.25 | VIad | while those with a i8 are going to loose probably nothing :P |
| 00:36.32 | Neffi | i8, lol |
| 00:36.34 | Amarande | VIad: spec-out is a major concern among RPG developers |
| 00:36.34 | VIad | yeah |
| 00:36.49 | Amarande | Neffi: heh, don't think I've ever heard of an i8, but at one point there was meant to be an i9 |
| 00:37.06 | VIad | I just made it up to create even more contrast to those with a dual core cpu |
| 00:37.07 | Neffi | I remember. It became i7 Extreme Edition, right? |
| 00:37.22 | Amarande | Yeah, believe so |
| 00:37.41 | Neffi | Anyway I would bring that up too. Because somebody might mention that the performance impact is a deterrent from addons doing too much |
| 00:37.49 | Neffi | But it's not to somebody who has a good machine |
| 00:38.23 | Neffi | I still don't see this happening though. When's the last time a good recommendation was implemented? (Ever?) |
| 00:38.30 | VIad | it's good that name checking with like, UnitExists is not working as it can easily be used to spot certain people you wish to track, rares, e.g. |
| 00:38.57 | Amarande | Neffi: depends on how pressing it is for them to deviate from existing dev plans to do it |
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| 00:39.01 | VIad | meh |
| 00:39.07 | VIad | no one cares for addons ;D |
| 00:39.10 | Amarande | they have made some fairly radical changes on player input before (viz. Sunwell opening mechanism) |
| 00:39.19 | VIad | they will add it only if they need it for their own addon coding |
| 00:39.29 | Semlar | that's not true |
| 00:39.33 | Neffi | Amarande: I'm talking strictly the UI side of things |
| 00:39.38 | Semlar | they have added quite a few api functions that they don't use |
| 00:39.51 | Neffi | yeah probably |
| 00:40.01 | VIad | probably |
| 00:40.11 | Neffi | But it's largely uncommon for a recommendation to amount to anything |
| 00:40.14 | VIad | but changing behavior of units is too intrusive |
| 00:40.24 | VIad | like what I mentioned, Semlar |
| 00:41.02 | Semlar | i'm not sure what you're asking for, you couldn't possibly use a name as a unitID if it wasn't guaranteed to be unique |
| 00:41.22 | Neffi | I think I'm missing a muscle! |
| 00:41.32 | VIad | I was saying that you can use unit names but the API only return valid data if the name is in your group |
| 00:41.41 | Neffi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmaris_longus_muscle |
| 00:42.04 | VIad | but people can work around this somewhat, by iterating your raid group and check for names, then fetch the data |
| 00:42.12 | VIad | issue is it's a performance loss |
| 00:42.33 | VIad | instead I suggested simply allowing the API to return valid data for names if your group member is targeting said named mob, player, e.g. |
| 00:42.34 | Semlar | if the name isn't guaranteed to be unique you couldn't possibly use it as a unitID |
| 00:42.42 | Semlar | it could ONLY work for players |
| 00:42.54 | VIad | sure you can |
| 00:42.56 | VIad | name-realm |
| 00:42.59 | VIad | still unique |
| 00:43.02 | VIad | boss names, e.g. |
| 00:43.13 | VIad | if its a mob then it just picks first mob on the list obviously :P |
| 00:43.24 | Semlar | what possible situation could you want that behavior in |
| 00:43.36 | Semlar | you use the name and get a random result |
| 00:43.57 | VIad | you wish to figure out if someone in your raid is focusing on a specific add/boss |
| 00:44.05 | Neffi | You use it when you know the behavior is defined? Like with a boss? |
| 00:44.13 | VIad | now you iterate all the raid and the cost is performance (40 people in group to be iterated) |
| 00:44.26 | Semlar | no, you use the GUID |
| 00:44.36 | VIad | doesn't mater |
| 00:44.38 | Semlar | you would almost never use the name in any situation |
| 00:44.48 | VIad | the point is, you iterate all your members to fetch data |
| 00:44.50 | Semlar | names are not unique |
| 00:44.54 | Neffi | Asking for GUID-as-a-unitID to be implemented will probably never happen |
| 00:45.05 | Semlar | why |
| 00:45.11 | VIad | you are talking about something else :P |
| 00:45.18 | Neffi | That would make addons more capable than they already are. Blizzard wont stand for that =P |
| 00:45.38 | Amarande | Yeah, as a rule, if the addon would be seen as trending towards "playing the game for you", that's bad :) |
| 00:45.40 | VIad | the reason you can't use UnitExists("Semlar-Lolrealm") is so you can't just track him at all times if he is nearby |
| 00:45.45 | TC-Work | Back to the days of decursive. |
| 00:45.57 | VIad | but if you had a group and someone targets Semlar, you iterate their unit and their target and check for him |
| 00:45.58 | Amarande | Of course, they still let Auctioneer exist and that basically plays the market for you, LOL |
| 00:46.14 | VIad | so remove the middle man, allow UnitExists to return the right value if any group member is targeting that unit |
| 00:46.17 | Neffi | free market lol |
| 00:46.17 | Semlar | vlad you don't have to iterate over your group to know who's targeting what |
| 00:46.28 | Semlar | there's an event whenever anyone changes targets |
| 00:46.43 | Amarande | But then, maybe Norganna's team bribes Blizzard employees' friends with kickbacks on the AH or something like that ... ROFL *joking* |
| 00:47.52 | Semlar | anyway, using GUIDs as unitIDs would make sense |
| 00:47.59 | Amarande | Besides, Auctioneer doesn't actually help you in the actual heat of battle, so it's probably not as important anyway |
| 00:48.28 | Neffi | O.O If you could fold a piece of paper 42 times it would reach the moon. |
| 00:48.31 | VIad | I hope blizzard fix the AH for 6.x |
| 00:48.39 | VIad | it's terrible for looking up certain stuff |
| 00:48.42 | Semlar | neffi folding makes things smaller |
| 00:48.48 | VIad | one word: pets |
| 00:49.00 | Neffi | Semlar: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1x34t4/whats_the_most_bullshitsoundingbuttrue_fact_you/cf7otzx |
| 00:49.10 | Semlar | that's not true and you know it |
| 00:49.27 | Neffi | I choose to believe |
| 00:49.33 | Semlar | IT'S NOT FUCKING TRUE |
| 00:49.40 | Neffi | ~whalenuke Semlar |
| 00:49.40 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Semlar with his mind powers. |
| 00:49.41 | Amarande | VIad: I'd love for them to include a feature that practically every other MMO I play has on their AH but to my recollection WoW still doesn't |
| 00:50.06 | VIad | they should revamp the query system to be more awesome |
| 00:50.36 | VIad | you have item pets and battlepet "items" |
| 00:50.48 | VIad | and you can search if you like to have those pets you have 0 of, 1 of, e.g. |
| 00:50.57 | Amarande | and yeah, my wish also involves the query system |
| 00:51.03 | Amarande | I'd like to be able to look up items by stats |
| 00:51.15 | Neffi | This "reddit" thing is kinda neat |
| 00:51.21 | Semlar | no it isn't |
| 00:51.23 | Semlar | get off of there |
| 00:51.26 | VIad | events could also be consolidated more, the "changed" event fires like 3-4 times when browsing one page on the AH, instead of just saying "page changed" and all the data being available at the event |
| 00:51.29 | Amarande | like in LOTRO or SW:TOR you can search the AH or GTN for items that have a specific stat bonus (like your mainstat or whatnot) on them |
| 00:51.34 | Amarande | but as far as I recall, you still can't do that in WoW |
| 00:51.38 | VIad | heck even F2P like Terra |
| 00:54.50 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.22 | VIad | why the name ? |
| 00:55.27 | Semlar | why not |
| 00:55.41 | VIad | why not "lesbian triangle of doom" ? |
| 00:55.53 | Semlar | that's an entirely different anchor |
| 00:55.59 | VIad | ah |
| 00:57.22 | Amarande | Basically, 1) don't use triangle formations when rock climbing, and 2) if you must, be ready to do trig in your head while adrenaline is pumping like mad |
| 00:57.44 | Amarande | and heh, I'm lucky if I can do trig in my head normally :P |
| 00:58.26 | VIad | btw the "remote zone" filter is often wrong :'( |
| 00:58.27 | VIad | whyy |
| 00:58.41 | Semlar | what |
| 00:59.20 | Semlar | are you talking about who results |
| 00:59.26 | VIad | no I mean |
| 00:59.28 | VIad | the quest watcher |
| 00:59.34 | VIad | often hides quests in my zone |
| 00:59.39 | VIad | certain new quests |
| 01:00.00 | Neffi | <Semlar> get off of there <- why tho? |
| 01:00.19 | VIad | also whats up with guards in mop being nautral and attackable? :P |
| 01:00.39 | VIad | also whats up with insane geared players with 1 mil hp just shitface rape the 1 mil hp guards that hit them for 1000 damage? :P |
| 01:00.49 | VIad | just saying - the guards are useless |
| 01:00.50 | Amarande | VIad: because most of Pandaria isn't aligned to one faction or the other |
| 01:00.56 | Amarande | and neutral guards usually ARE attackable |
| 01:01.04 | Amarande | and guards have never been that great against insanely geared players |
| 01:01.06 | VIad | they were factioned before |
| 01:01.08 | Amarande | except at the beginning of a new expansion |
| 01:01.14 | VIad | Amarande: oh ye? |
| 01:01.16 | VIad | argent dawn |
| 01:01.16 | VIad | glhjf |
| 01:01.20 | VIad | glhf regardless gear level |
| 01:01.24 | Amarande | at which point they take apart insanely geared players just the same way insanely geared players used to take THEM apart LOL |
| 01:01.26 | VIad | attack one, spawns 100 guards |
| 01:01.48 | VIad | you get nettet each 0.25 seconds with thunderclap that slows you 90% |
| 01:02.03 | VIad | cenarion hold had great guards too |
| 01:02.05 | Amarande | VIad: like when the expansion pre-patch comes out and all the guards get their levels boosted before the expansion actually hits |
| 01:02.26 | Amarande | quite "fun" if it comes during a holiday event where city raids are a part, heh |
| 01:02.42 | Semlar | did they ever fix reducing your aggro radius and standing next to guards while attacking players who couldn't fight back |
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| 01:03.04 | VIad | meh - guards are just useless, they don't guard shit |
| 01:03.12 | Amarande | even end-game raiding tanks would get obliterated in a hit or two by superguards in those cases |
| 01:03.26 | Amarande | and if you're trying to raid somewhere like silvermoon ... fuuuuuuuuun |
| 01:03.35 | Amarande | actually, silvermoon city is another example of particularly evil guards |
| 01:04.04 | Semlar | you could use a shell from the timeless isle to reduce your aggro radius while standing in range of the guards and anyone who tried to fight back would aggro them |
| 01:04.08 | Amarande | back when you had to explore all the zones on a single character to get explorer ... better do it on horde if you want to do it alive, heh |
| 01:04.25 | VIad | lol - the timeless isle guards are being raped by DK and warlocks with 1mil hp |
| 01:04.31 | VIad | even those end game guards suck |
| 01:04.48 | Amarande | because when the time comes to finish exploring eversong as alliance, you're d-e-d dead |
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| 01:05.41 | Amarande | You can't fly in Eversong, *and* there is absolutely no way to get credit for Silvermoon without going in the front door, *period* |
| 01:05.56 | Amarande | at which point you get mobbed by about a full legion of angry blood elves, zero percent survival rate |
| 01:07.46 | Amarande | I actually tried that one, spent quite some time hugging the outer wall of Silvermoon like it was a loved one and there is not a single spot where it counts you as being 'in' SMC for the exploration credit |
| 01:08.09 | Ackis | Ressy: someone got hit by the train here :( |
| 01:08.38 | Semlar | you can't discover silvermoon from the west? |
| 01:08.41 | Amarande | and although you can enter the courtyard of UC unmolested, you can't use the teleporter thingy as alliance either |
| 01:08.50 | Semlar | the blood elf starting area |
| 01:09.05 | Amarande | Semlar: hmm, I'm *pretty* sure the newbie newbie area half doesn't count |
| 01:09.20 | Amarande | has to be the piece east of the Dead Scar |
| 01:09.28 | Semlar | at any rate i'm surprised you couldn't get back out without dying |
| 01:09.43 | Amarande | Semlar: you basically get blitzed immediately, I think it has the Argent Dawn like thing where guards come out of thin air |
| 01:09.46 | Neffi | Doing it stealth is tricky as fuck |
| 01:09.53 | Semlar | are guards better this expansion or something because i have been in a lot of alliance cities over the years |
| 01:10.06 | Semlar | like.. you have to go through to do the bonfires |
| 01:10.16 | Neffi | I think guards have gotten progressively better over time |
| 01:10.18 | Semlar | and they're in the middle of the god damn town |
| 01:10.27 | Amarande | OTOH, it was a simple matter for Horde to explore the Draenei islands, because the part of Azuremyst that counts as Exodar is so huge that you practically don't even have to get close to the city to tally it |
| 01:10.35 | Neffi | Gone are the days when I would stand on roofs in Orgrimmar with my alliance hunter and snipe people who are flagged |
| 01:10.39 | VIad | go visit one keg, in kunlai summit |
| 01:10.51 | VIad | like six guards not doing shit against a heroic raid geared any class |
| 01:11.03 | Semlar | the roofs in orgrimmar are patrolled by stealth trolls |
| 01:11.04 | VIad | some DK rushed in and AOEd all the guards |
| 01:11.22 | Neffi | Semlar: I'm talking about in vanilla times. And I believe they were back then but that didnt stop me |
| 01:11.29 | Neffi | It's not like there are a lot of trolls |
| 01:11.39 | Amarande | The only *really* hard spot for Horde to get to is Teldrassil |
| 01:11.44 | Amarande | at least, prior to Azeroth flying |
| 01:11.52 | Semlar | every time you enter a building owned by the other faction it spawns a guard so |
| 01:12.13 | Semlar | i can imagine entering silvermoon could be a problem |
| 01:14.02 | Amarande | Mind you, if you're willing to die once, Teldrassil is just as easy for Horde as Silvermoon for Alliance, in the end |
| 01:14.42 | Amarande | The guards' swords may not have quite as much ... impact, though. *ducks* |
| 01:16.34 | Amarande | The trick for Horde was to find a spot where you could climb as far up a root of Teldrassil as possible, then jump down to a solid spot below and go splat, and have the Dolanaar GY be the one selected |
| 01:16.52 | Amarande | (Be incautious in selecting your location of death and you end up all the way back at Darkshore instead :P) |
| 01:18.07 | Amarande | Come to think of it I wonder if that is exactly why Teldrassil is made as tall as it is ... |
| 01:18.59 | Amarande | i.e., in order to manipulate graveyard distance so that Horde trying to invade the surroundings mostly end up at Darkshore and not Dolanaar ... |
| 01:26.06 | Semlar | well, it's in a tree |
| 01:29.14 | Esamynn|work | VIad: going back a couple hours to your comment about using player name as unit id |
| 01:29.25 | Esamynn|work | my recollection is that actually works for your group members |
| 01:29.33 | VIad | Esamynn|work: was actually just talking about any name |
| 01:29.34 | VIad | yes |
| 01:29.43 | VIad | but if you want to check for a name not in your group |
| 01:29.48 | VIad | of course it shouldn't work |
| 01:30.03 | VIad | but you can still accomplish this if any member from your group is targeting said name |
| 01:30.30 | VIad | i.e. changing the API from the C side you could allow unit API to return values for names not in your group, but that are targeted by some member of your group |
| 01:30.45 | Esamynn|work | and what advantage would having it work for those targeted by your group provide? |
| 01:31.02 | VIad | performance improvement I guess |
| 01:31.16 | VIad | if you must iterate you atm gotta iterate your group members |
| 01:31.23 | VIad | and check their targets individually |
| 01:33.03 | Semlar | just keep a table and on UNIT_TARGET update it |
| 01:33.15 | VIad | I didn't say it's not possible |
| 01:33.23 | VIad | all I say is just let us call the API directly and get results |
| 01:33.35 | VIad | to avoid having to hook events or do silly iterations and caching of data |
| 01:33.42 | VIad | (data already available to the game on the C side) |
| 01:34.27 | Semlar | i don't know, i'm using the world's least efficient nameplate addon and i still haven't noticed a dip in my framerate |
| 01:35.12 | Neffi | Semlar: I actually dont think your nameplates should be using so much. Maybe you made a mistake somewhere that's chewing up CPU? |
| 01:35.15 | Semlar | it's using 50-100 times more cpu than any other addon i've run |
| 01:36.04 | Semlar | and that's including other nameplate addons |
| 01:37.21 | Semlar | i tried to narrow it down and nothing really seemed obvious so i'm just going to leave it like it is for now |
| 01:38.48 | Semlar | part of it is obviously that i'm manually repositioning the plates instead of attaching them to the existing ones but that doesn't explain everything |
| 01:38.57 | znf | So, question, maybe someone knows - how does the swap in Windows work? My WoW just killed itself because my PC is out of memory; shouldn't windows have swapped some unused programs from memory to swap? |
| 01:39.18 | Semlar | how much ram do you have |
| 01:39.21 | znf | 6gb |
| 01:39.29 | VIad | fyi nameplate code should be changed |
| 01:39.34 | Semlar | what else is using it |
| 01:39.34 | VIad | simply improved :P |
| 01:39.42 | znf | Semlar, chrome is using 2gb++ |
| 01:39.55 | Kodiack | znf, I assume you're on a 64-bit OS, playing the 64-bit client? |
| 01:39.58 | Semlar | the nameplate code sucks and i would greatly appreciate if they would include a GUID for each plate |
| 01:40.03 | znf | Kodiack, yeah |
| 01:40.20 | znf | Semlar, throw in native aura tracking on it! |
| 01:40.37 | znf | but I'd take GUID, too :P |
| 01:40.40 | Kodiack | Okay, good. You likely ran out of address space then, especially if you've explicitly disabled your swap file. Just enable the swap file and leave it at that. It's rather silly to disable it. :P |
| 01:40.57 | Semlar | aura tracking would be a lot easier if they provided GUIDs but if they had their own unit ids it would be op |
| 01:41.07 | znf | Kodiack, my swap is set to 4gb |
| 01:41.21 | Kodiack | Hmm... |
| 01:41.43 | Semlar | how much ram was wow using |
| 01:41.55 | Esamynn|work | why would you have a particular name you're iterating for though VIad ? |
| 01:42.05 | Semlar | that's what i was trying to figure out |
| 01:42.14 | znf | not much, ~1+ gb, below 2gb |
| 01:42.16 | VIad | not so relevant to what I was trying to say |
| 01:42.27 | znf | My settings are quite low |
| 01:42.38 | VIad | my point was to remove the middle step and simply allow the base API to return the values you expect |
| 01:42.53 | Semlar | but using the name as a unit id is odd to me |
| 01:42.56 | VIad | as long the rule "targeted by group member" applies |
| 01:42.57 | Semlar | except for players |
| 01:43.14 | VIad | it's API, the uses can be many |
| 01:43.31 | Esamynn|work | znf: set to 4GB? just let windows manage it and stop being anal |
| 01:44.09 | Kodiack | ^^That's what I do. I have 800 MB swap on the SSD for emergency memory dumps, then I let Windows automatically adjust swap on my other internal drives. |
| 01:44.20 | Semlar | he shouldn't have run out of ram with that though |
| 01:44.24 | Esamynn|work | VIad: so you want to move the performance hit into the API for EVERY call... and you have no particular use case? |
| 01:44.38 | VIad | shrug |
| 01:44.38 | Kodiack | Unless you're strapped for space (which I sure hope you're not in this day and age) then you're usually best off with letting Windows manage things |
| 01:44.46 | VIad | we don't know the peformance impact on C side |
| 01:44.52 | VIad | that has to be researched |
| 01:44.57 | Esamynn|work | yes, but there would BE an impact |
| 01:45.02 | Esamynn|work | extra code to work through |
| 01:45.13 | znf | I'm not exactly /that/ space constrained, but I run on a small-ish 120GB SSD |
| 01:45.17 | Esamynn|work | and again, do you have a USE CASE? |
| 01:45.25 | VIad | too late for me to make one up atm |
| 01:45.29 | VIad | too tired :P |
| 01:45.37 | Esamynn|work | facepalms |
| 01:45.50 | Semlar | that's a ton of ram for a browser though |
| 01:45.54 | VIad | I'll just come with a bad example and you will use it as proof that my idea is totally useless and stop from looking anymore into it. |
| 01:46.04 | VIad | my firefox uses 500mb atm |
| 01:46.05 | Esamynn|work | no |
| 01:46.19 | Semlar | my firefox is currently using 1.6gb and it has like a million tabs open |
| 01:46.34 | Esamynn|work | what I'm going to do is presume you're asking for a performance hit for no reason until you can prove otherwise |
| 01:46.44 | Esamynn|work | extra code for extra code's sake is just so much garbage |
| 01:47.04 | VIad | I respect that |
| 01:47.38 | znf | you think that would be a huge performance hit? |
| 01:47.42 | znf | (adding GUID to the nameplates) |
| 01:47.44 | VIad | but none of us know the inner workings of these APIand such, it might be trivial, it might be a huge performance impact, only blizzard knows |
| 01:48.11 | Esamynn|work | znf: not what I'm talking about |
| 01:48.25 | znf | Oh, nevermind me then |
| 01:48.34 | VIad | the nameplate issue could be solved with a "nameplate#" unit perhaps? |
| 01:48.37 | VIad | shrug |
| 01:48.44 | Esamynn|work | I'm specifically addressing the idea of being able to treat the name of a player your group is targetting, but isn't in your group as a unit id |
| 01:50.21 | Neffi | Semlar: why are you manually positioning them instead of anchoring, anyway? |
| 01:50.23 | Esamynn|work | and no, just because we've never seen the code doesn't mean we cannot make educated guesses... we cannot be exact, but we're not blind either |
| 01:50.38 | Semlar | Neffi: believe it or not it's SUBSTANTIALLY more efficient |
| 01:50.52 | Neffi | wait what Semlar |
| 01:50.56 | Neffi | that makes no sense |
| 01:50.57 | Semlar | i proved this in a topic a while back experimenting with nameplate frame rate issues |
| 01:51.16 | Semlar | attaching to the existing nameplates has a RIDICULOUS impact on performance |
| 01:51.17 | znf | Wait, you can manually place unitframes? |
| 01:51.28 | Semlar | no, the nameplates aren't what you click on |
| 01:51.28 | znf | I mean nameplates |
| 01:51.31 | znf | oh :( |
| 01:51.33 | Esamynn|work | Semlar: *gasp* an experiment... an EVIDENCE based approach? HERESY!!! |
| 01:51.37 | Neffi | Manually checking the position of the real nameplate, and positioning YOUR nameplate at that same point, every OnUpdate cycle, for every nameplate, is more efficient than having them anchored to the nameplate |
| 01:51.46 | Semlar | you click on the worldframe under the nameplates when you click on them |
| 01:51.54 | Semlar | the actual nameplate frames aren't what you interact with |
| 01:52.13 | Semlar | yes neffi |
| 01:52.28 | znf | just to be clear: there is no easy way to make nameplates "stick" in a portion of your screen, right? :P |
| 01:52.30 | Neffi | Mind my incredulity |
| 01:52.46 | Neffi | But I'm gonna now do my own tests, because I dont bleieve this |
| 01:52.48 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.54 | VIad | Neffi: what you said about nameplates sounds really ridiculus if it only wasn't true |
| 01:53.04 | VIad | I'd assume that onupdate cost would be greater than anchoring |
| 01:53.20 | Semlar | i wrote a proof |
| 01:53.25 | VIad | I remember Semlar |
| 01:53.25 | Neffi | VIad: Read up more. I was saying I dont believe that |
| 01:53.37 | Semlar | it makes no sense |
| 01:53.58 | VIad | Neffi: Semlar tested it out |
| 01:54.32 | Esamynn|work | was the experiment peer reviewed? |
| 01:54.38 | Semlar | it was zork reviewed |
| 01:55.07 | Semlar | it's not a small difference either |
| 01:55.12 | Semlar | it's a huge difference in performance |
| 01:55.23 | VIad | still I can't believe the results :P |
| 01:55.23 | Esamynn|work | interesting |
| 01:55.34 | VIad | would never have guessed that was better for performance really |
| 01:55.54 | Esamynn|work | thus why evidence trumps theory, every time |
| 01:56.15 | VIad | but why is anchoring such a performance loss is the question |
| 01:56.36 | Semlar | my only theory was that nameplate positions are updated somehow more often than is normally possible |
| 01:57.05 | Semlar | so it's recalculating the points like.. multiple times a frame |
| 01:57.14 | Neffi | Semlar: Mind my being lazy and not reading it all -- did you prove this with a *small number of regions*, not 500+? |
| 01:57.25 | Neffi | Say my nameplate is 1 frame with 2 regions attached |
| 01:58.11 | Semlar | well, i had to do it in a way that would actually impact performance.. |
| 01:58.30 | znf | TIL that nameplates have a higher visibility range on the PTR |
| 01:58.31 | Neffi | So this is not as directly objective as it first seems |
| 01:58.47 | Semlar | do your own test then |
| 01:59.08 | Neffi | The performance dip could very well be because the C-side positioning just doesn't scale well to a large amount of regions, but is still *much* more efficient with a small amount of them |
| 01:59.30 | Esamynn|work | number* of regions |
| 01:59.45 | Neffi | gah |
| 02:00.11 | Esamynn|work | pet peeve of mine |
| 02:00.23 | Neffi | The internet has a word for you |
| 02:00.31 | VIad | a 40 man battleground could help perhaps |
| 02:00.32 | Neffi | But it would invoke Godwin's law |
| 02:00.37 | VIad | because that's a lot of plates :p |
| 02:00.59 | VIad | find a AV with 30vs30 clash and there you go |
| 02:01.01 | Neffi | VIad: Even still, the cost with both approaches is so small that I see no way of profiling this |
| 02:01.23 | VIad | wait |
| 02:01.25 | znf | Why isn't anyone raging about the nameplates code on the official forums? :-/ |
| 02:01.36 | VIad | Semlar in his tests said that there was a substantial fps difference |
| 02:01.54 | znf | nameplates should really get some attention, and best opportunity is with a new expansion! |
| 02:01.55 | Esamynn|work | with how many name plates, and how many regions anchored to each name plate? |
| 02:01.58 | Semlar | well, zork has anecdotal evidence from people who would drop from 200 fps to 40 fps using the standard nameplate model |
| 02:02.06 | Semlar | and this completely alleviated the problem |
| 02:02.36 | Esamynn|work | this is for a real world situation? |
| 02:02.40 | Neffi | Anecdotal evidence is really just evidence that we need more evidence |
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| 02:02.48 | Semlar | yes, that was not from using an absurd number of regions |
| 02:03.24 | Esamynn|work | Neffi: indeed, reproducibility is key |
| 02:03.26 | Neffi | I'll have to devise a test case where I can quantify the impact of both methods when only a small number of regions exist |
| 02:03.35 | Neffi | But I can't imagine one at all |
| 02:03.41 | Semlar | good luck |
| 02:03.44 | Esamynn|work | why does it have to be small? |
| 02:04.02 | Semlar | he thinks it might be different with a small number of regions |
| 02:04.17 | Esamynn|work | that seems... unlikely |
| 02:04.19 | Neffi | Esamynn|work: Manually positioning might be far more efficient if every custom nameplate has 2000 regions attached to it. But whose to say it's more efficient in a realistic case, where each custom nameplate has 2-3 regions? |
| 02:04.21 | Semlar | i think it would have the same issues |
| 02:04.22 | VIad | usually bad coded addons don't hit performance that much with small number of units |
| 02:04.40 | VIad | i.e. badly coded combat log :P |
| 02:04.54 | VIad | wouldn't notice anything until you go in a 40 man pvp scale |
| 02:05.09 | Semlar | and in fact the issue stemmed from moving a visible frame, not from the nameplates themselves |
| 02:05.34 | Neffi | Which suggests that a large amount of regions anchored to a moving frame is inefficient. But that's all it tells us. |
| 02:06.03 | Semlar | have you been taking notes from ken ham |
| 02:06.15 | Neffi | Bill Nye mostly |
| 02:06.19 | znf | Addons can't touch the nameplate movement, right? |
| 02:06.21 | Esamynn|work | I don't know a lot about the nameplates, but... is it possible the visual component is rendered as part of the world and the frames were see are actually completely invisible? |
| 02:06.39 | Neffi | Esamynn|work: Very doubtful |
| 02:06.50 | Semlar | znf: they can be moved in a secure manner |
| 02:06.54 | Esamynn|work | alright, was just a random thought |
| 02:07.12 | Neffi | Esamynn|work: The textures and everything are all there on the frame we can modify. They all render just as poorly as every other texture object in the UI does. It's very obviously rendered as part of the UI |
| 02:07.16 | Semlar | znf: you could reposition the clickable area of a nameplate in response to a macro condition |
| 02:07.33 | znf | So could an addon define a "new" way of stacking the nameplates? |
| 02:07.39 | Neffi | no |
| 02:07.40 | Semlar | yes |
| 02:07.46 | znf | uhm |
| 02:07.51 | znf | so which one? :P |
| 02:08.01 | Neffi | Semlar: How is the restricted env going to know where to place any given frame? |
| 02:08.09 | Neffi | It has very limited info about where they belong |
| 02:08.15 | Semlar | he was asking about stacking them in one spot earlier |
| 02:08.15 | Esamynn|work | from the sounds of it, the addon would be fighting the built-in possitioning with every frame |
| 02:08.21 | VIad | f:SetPoint('CENTER', WorldFrame, 'BOTTOMLEFT', plate:GetCenter()) |
| 02:08.44 | Neffi | I would think the built in positioning would reset your custom position each OnUpdte |
| 02:08.45 | Semlar | i'm almost positive you could stack them in a predetermined area of the screen |
| 02:08.59 | Semlar | well |
| 02:08.59 | Neffi | Would they still be clickable? |
| 02:09.06 | Neffi | And stay put? |
| 02:09.14 | Semlar | theoretically |
| 02:09.17 | Semlar | i'd have to test it |
| 02:09.21 | Semlar | i have an idea |
| 02:09.24 | znf | that would be awesome :P |
| 02:09.45 | znf | to have some nameplates act like mini-userframes |
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| 02:10.01 | Neffi | Semlar: Predicting this now, just for the record. You're gonna be the reason nameplates are no longer able to be addressed/modified from Lua ;) |
| 02:10.06 | znf | and stack ordered in a specific area |
| 02:10.10 | Semlar | :l |
| 02:10.21 | znf | whispers to Semlar "do iiiit" |
| 02:10.27 | Semlar | you definitely couldn't sort them based on their reaction or anything |
| 02:10.38 | Semlar | you'd have to treat all of the nameplates the same |
| 02:10.45 | znf | I don't display friendly ones anyway :P |
| 02:11.10 | Semlar | the only thing i'm thinking is they might get scrambled up but maybe not |
| 02:11.23 | Semlar | i'm not 100% sure it will work but i'll try it later |
| 02:11.56 | Semlar | you can do it out of combat because i've done it before |
| 02:11.57 | Neffi | what happens if a secure frame (say with a type->spell attribute set so clicking it casts something) is anchored to a nameplate? will it move with the nameplate correctly? |
| 02:12.20 | Neffi | Actually nvm, that wouldn't work. |
| 02:12.28 | Semlar | no unitid |
| 02:12.28 | Neffi | Well THAT might, but my idea wouldnt |
| 02:12.40 | Semlar | so no target |
| 02:12.44 | Neffi | Yeah I figured mouseover, but the mouse would be over the frame, no the nameplate |
| 02:12.54 | Neffi | Clique for nameplates would be cool, but wouldnt work |
| 02:13.03 | Semlar | target might be able to set to the last thing you moused over |
| 02:13.08 | Semlar | well no |
| 02:13.10 | Semlar | nevermind |
| 02:13.10 | znf | Semlar, so you couldn't target if you click on them? or simply no unitid on hover? |
| 02:13.15 | Semlar | it wouldn't be the mouseover any more |
| 02:13.35 | Semlar | possibly with the focus frame |
| 02:13.56 | Neffi | Hijacking the user's focus frame isn't good |
| 02:13.57 | Semlar | znf: if my idea works they'd act like normal unit frames |
| 02:14.07 | znf | Cool |
| 02:14.20 | Semlar | that's a big if |
| 02:14.28 | Neffi | IF* |
| 02:14.28 | znf | I really despise the way all "stacking" options behave :( |
| 02:15.05 | Semlar | if you don't care about clicking on them you can make them spread however you want |
| 02:15.20 | znf | I care :P |
| 02:15.44 | znf | else I wouldn't even need the nameplates *shrug* |
| 02:16.23 | Semlar | i'm actually not sure how the different stacking methods respond to me changing the size of the nameplates |
| 02:16.40 | Semlar | because i mean what if you made them the entire height of the screen |
| 02:16.45 | Semlar | would they all spread out horizontally? |
| 02:17.07 | Semlar | neffi get on that |
| 02:17.11 | znf | the biggest issue I'm having right now (using stacking) is that they will sometimes stack on top of each other until they're out of my screen |
| 02:17.34 | znf | so I have to turn my camera to be able to see them, not even sure why that's happening... |
| 02:17.40 | Neffi | Semlar: meh |
| 02:17.52 | Semlar | i just let my nameplates overlap |
| 02:18.00 | Neffi | monster |
| 02:18.05 | znf | I would, too, but I play shadow priest... I want to click them |
| 02:18.11 | znf | I tried spread for a while... dear $deity |
| 02:18.14 | Semlar | shrinking their clickable area makes it much easier to target the one you want |
| 02:19.01 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.06 | Semlar | that's the normal size |
| 02:19.18 | Semlar | when they overlap, it makes it very difficult to target what you want |
| 02:19.28 | Neffi | Evil bastard. |
| 02:19.30 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.34 | Neffi | I use green to show the clickable area |
| 02:19.40 | VIad | cheat, soloed blood arena in wotlk by dk |
| 02:19.43 | Semlar | and now it's much easier to select them |
| 02:19.44 | znf | interesting |
| 02:19.46 | VIad | haven't managed with any other class |
| 02:20.27 | Semlar | i could probably do it on my hunter |
| 02:20.59 | VIad | last boss hits hard |
| 02:21.06 | Semlar | i can do up to a million single target dps |
| 02:21.48 | Semlar | how much health does he have |
| 02:22.05 | VIad | your 76 hunter? :P |
| 02:22.26 | Semlar | you're talking about at level |
| 02:22.29 | VIad | yes |
| 02:22.38 | Semlar | well you didn't say that! |
| 02:22.55 | znf | why else would he be happy of solo-ing old content? :P |
| 02:22.56 | Neffi | Semlar: Changing the size of the nameplates seems to interfere with their spreading behavior http://i.imgur.com/lYGAFjb.png |
| 02:22.57 | VIad | sorry! |
| 02:23.02 | Neffi | Read: break it |
| 02:23.26 | Semlar | spreading behavior is bizarre anyway |
| 02:23.36 | Semlar | i couldn't figure out what triggered it over than the frame centers overlapping |
| 02:23.46 | Semlar | other than* |
| 02:23.56 | VIad | I prefer overlap so frames dont dance too much :P |
| 02:23.58 | Neffi | Several frame centers overlap in that shot |
| 02:24.07 | Semlar | i think they would do that with the default nameplates though |
| 02:24.17 | Semlar | did you check? |
| 02:24.31 | VIad | by default I think nameplates spread |
| 02:25.07 | Semlar | you aren't scaling them right, you're still setting the size manually |
| 02:25.43 | Neffi | I didn't do a comparison, but I noticed the spreading/stacking behavior seems to disappear when I started resizing them |
| 02:26.00 | Neffi | Yes, I am setting the size manually. Is that bad? |
| 02:26.08 | Semlar | really? they still definitely spread when i scale them |
| 02:26.13 | Esamynn|work | foolish mortal |
| 02:26.29 | Semlar | although they don't seem to care about the new size |
| 02:26.40 | Semlar | i think they take their original dimensions into account |
| 02:27.23 | Esamynn|work | the god of C land does not care for your pitiful machinations |
| 02:27.53 | VIad | wowi doesn't allow me to mail a thread :( |
| 02:27.56 | Semlar | spreading is also much more subtle than stacking behavior |
| 02:28.02 | VIad | "email this page" thead tools option |
| 02:28.10 | VIad | wanted top ut the thread on my todo list for tomorrow |
| 02:28.12 | VIad | to play with namepaltes :P |
| 02:28.14 | VIad | plates* |
| 02:28.25 | Semlar | but you have some pretty stacked up plates |
| 02:30.24 | Semlar | let me try |
| 02:31.06 | Neffi | I can't bother right now. I'm really tired |
| 02:32.36 | VIad | going to bed myself |
| 02:32.38 | VIad | gn friends! |
| 02:32.46 | VIad | was fun chatting |
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| 02:34.17 | znf | How can I tell if a setting is applied to every actor in simcraft or not? |
| 02:34.29 | znf | like, do I need to explicitly define initial_shadow_orbs=3 for every actor? |
| 02:35.18 | Semlar | alright well i've succeeded in covering the entire screen with nameplates |
| 02:35.52 | Semlar | and they're trying to spread |
| 02:36.14 | Semlar | they're having a hell of a time moving out of the way when they're the size of the screen |
| 02:36.34 | Sintacks | who is James D. Callahan III again.. i forgot. again |
| 02:36.41 | kd3 | torhal |
| 02:36.42 | znf | points at Torhal |
| 02:36.43 | Neffi | You're, like, torturing the C-side code Semlar |
| 02:36.44 | Sintacks | oh y eah |
| 02:37.03 | Torhal | Hmm? |
| 02:37.14 | Neffi | That name sounds like it should belond to one of the greatest presidents in our history |
| 02:37.20 | Neffi | I'd elect Torhal |
| 02:37.32 | Sintacks | http://pastebin.com/XDB3ynA7 |
| 02:37.34 | Sintacks | if you want to use it |
| 02:38.03 | Sintacks | i deleted things that either, don't exist anymore, or are long enough that they aren't going to ever be sent |
| 02:38.11 | Sintacks | and added some new things that i've seen |
| 02:38.38 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.49 | Neffi | elated |
| 02:38.50 | Torhal | Sintacks: Could you e-nail that to me? I'm in the middle of work code and I'll likely forget :/ |
| 02:39.01 | Sintacks | yeah. email in the changelog? |
| 02:39.09 | Torhal | s/mail/nail/ |
| 02:39.10 | Semlar | you can't tell but they are flipping out trying to get out of the way of each other because they're all overlapping |
| 02:39.13 | Torhal | Yar |
| 02:39.15 | Sintacks | k |
| 02:39.23 | Torhal | Er, yeah - typing is awesome. |
| 02:40.15 | Semlar | uh, i managed to get all of the nameplates to line up on the x axis but they're still aligned on the y |
| 02:40.25 | Semlar | hm |
| 02:40.30 | Semlar | that's almost better |
| 02:40.40 | Sintacks | sent, Torhal |
| 02:40.58 | Torhal | Thankye, Sintacks |
| 02:41.06 | Semlar | well, i guess not better if you're trying to click on them |
| 02:41.12 | Semlar | i fix |
| 02:41.25 | Sintacks | fixes Semlar |
| 02:41.28 | Semlar | no! |
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| 02:49.31 | Semlar | neffi they refuse to give up on their vertical axis |
| 02:50.08 | Semlar | why you do this to me |
| 02:50.25 | Sintacks | botting |
| 02:50.58 | Neffi | Semlar: you're not willing them hard enough |
| 02:51.28 | Semlar | i try harder |
| 02:52.24 | Neffi | So maybe try stacking them the other way |
| 02:53.22 | Semlar | well that's interesting |
| 02:53.38 | Semlar | i appear to have done a fantastic job of making every nameplate unclickable |
| 02:53.51 | kd3 | great job breaking it, hero. |
| 02:53.55 | Semlar | i'll file that away for later |
| 02:54.05 | Semlar | i was trying to do that earlier.. |
| 02:54.22 | Semlar | i mean they're all in the right spots, but you can just click through them |
| 02:54.41 | Semlar | i'm not scaling them or anything |
| 02:56.44 | Semlar | okay this is almost better than i could have asked for |
| 02:57.00 | Semlar | i moved the clickable area to a new position and can still put nameplates above their heads |
| 02:58.51 | Semlar | although i'm almost positive blizzard would object to this |
| 02:59.13 | Corv | What exactly is wrong with it? |
| 02:59.35 | Semlar | nothing really, it's basically unit frames for everything on your screen |
| 02:59.59 | Semlar | you could make something sort of like grid for enemies |
| 03:01.14 | Corv | You still need to maintain facing and range and everything else, and it only works for mobs that are near enough. |
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| 03:01.22 | Semlar | i feel like it might be stepping over a line though |
| 03:01.55 | Semlar | it would sure make multidotting easier |
| 03:02.34 | Semlar | ah well i should at least refine this first because i'm getting way ahead of myself |
| 03:03.02 | Corv | If you do decide to release it, I am definitely interested in looking at it =) |
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| 03:08.27 | Semlar | now that i've almost completely broken my nameplate addon i should probably move this to its own script |
| 03:10.41 | Neffi | lol |
| 03:10.55 | Semlar | >_> |
| 03:11.06 | Semlar | stop making me break things |
| 03:11.13 | Neffi | no |
| 03:11.15 | Sintacks | breaks Semlar |
| 03:11.19 | Semlar | explodes |
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| 03:19.36 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:21.43 | znf | they don't have to, for now! :P |
| 03:22.28 | Semlar | i need to figure out how to reposition them when one gets hidden |
| 03:27.26 | znf | for the moment, don't :P |
| 03:27.41 | znf | could be configurable |
| 03:27.51 | znf | I would have them stay in position |
| 03:29.59 | Semlar | i'm not actually sure i can |
| 03:30.37 | znf | ow? |
| 03:31.01 | Semlar | i could probably do it in response to holding a modifier key or something |
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| 03:54.25 | znf | boo, found a "bug" in simcraft |
| 03:58.57 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.15 | Semlar | admit it, it's beautiful |
| 03:59.29 | znf | green is clickable thingie? |
| 03:59.32 | Semlar | yep |
| 04:00.22 | Semlar | needs more testing though |
| 04:00.26 | znf | now make them look like this! http://media-curse.cursecdn.com/attachments/103/151/cbb9fdcfe9ccd2b245f5ff6560cf5781.png |
| 04:00.32 | Semlar | :l |
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| 04:01.46 | znf | Semlar, couldn't what you're doing be somehow "transposed" to any other addon nameplate out there? |
| 04:01.53 | znf | nameplate addon, I mean |
| 04:02.14 | Semlar | possibly |
| 04:02.24 | Semlar | it depends on what they're attaching to |
| 04:02.41 | Semlar | kui doesn't attach to the nameplates |
| 04:02.48 | Semlar | they're doing something similar to what i'm doing |
| 04:02.55 | znf | yeah |
| 04:02.57 | Semlar | which is repositioning everything on update |
| 04:03.17 | znf | I don't think even tidy hooks to the nameplate anymore |
| 04:03.34 | Semlar | maybe not |
| 04:04.17 | Semlar | i'm left with gaps between items as nameplates are shown and hidden though |
| 04:05.01 | Semlar | i can reposition them in response to any macro condition |
| 04:05.26 | Semlar | so, pushing a modifier key or on mouseover |
| 04:05.29 | Semlar | things like that |
| 04:05.51 | znf | but can you draw another frame in the place of the empty one? |
| 04:05.59 | znf | ie: can you reuse that location for a new one? |
| 04:07.00 | Semlar | after you push a key |
| 04:08.07 | Semlar | if i could run this in response to the frames getting shown or hidden it would be ideal |
| 04:08.07 | znf | a specific or modifier? |
| 04:08.18 | Semlar | a modifier key |
| 04:08.53 | Semlar | i think i can wrap any hardware event though |
| 04:09.02 | Semlar | i don't want to really do that though |
| 04:09.16 | znf | clearly you need to wrap the mouseclick! |
| 04:10.21 | Semlar | frankly i'm surprised this works because it goes against how i thought the nameplates worked |
| 04:10.53 | Semlar | the green, clickable area that i'm moving is not the clickable part of the nameplate |
| 04:11.19 | Semlar | i don't really know how to explain this and make any sense |
| 04:11.44 | Semlar | so i'm just going to try and figure out how to make this look better |
| 04:12.13 | znf | I actually like the fact that they don't move :P |
| 04:13.51 | Semlar | well, there could theoretically be quite a lot of nameplates and it might become problematic |
| 04:15.44 | znf | which is why I suggested that it would be nice to reuse the place when a new unit appears |
| 04:16.08 | Semlar | it does |
| 04:16.25 | znf | (automatically, without moving anything else) |
| 04:16.29 | Semlar | well, rather the plate that was there gets recycled |
| 04:16.58 | Semlar | okay basically these are the nameplates just all stacked up, and when one of them represents a unit that went off the screen or died or something it gets hidden |
| 04:17.18 | Semlar | and when a new unit comes in that uses that old nameplate it gets shown again |
| 04:17.19 | znf | Yes |
| 04:17.24 | znf | Ah, I see |
| 04:18.09 | znf | in simpler terms, the "button" gets reused |
| 04:18.23 | Semlar | yeah it's like having normal unit frames really |
| 04:19.13 | Semlar | i think they should probably be fairly small |
| 04:20.11 | Semlar | come to think of it i wonder if a nameplate retains its ability to target a unit after it gets hidden |
| 04:20.21 | Semlar | before it gets reassigned |
| 04:21.03 | znf | they should be extremely simple :) |
| 04:21.09 | znf | but they need aura tracking |
| 04:22.26 | Semlar | nah they lose their ability to target |
| 04:22.30 | znf | would be lovely if this could be a drop-in "addon" to apply to other nameplates :P |
| 04:22.46 | Semlar | i'm not sure how possible that is |
| 04:22.49 | Semlar | i could try |
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| 04:23.38 | znf | that's why I asked about creating a different "stacking" that could be used by all addons :) |
| 04:23.59 | Semlar | kui just stays with the mob, which is what i expected |
| 04:25.22 | znf | How do you change the clickable area of the frame? You mentioned it earlier |
| 04:25.58 | Semlar | you can modify secure frames in response to macro conditions |
| 04:26.26 | Semlar | i can loop through the children of the world frame and check if they're a nameplate and then resize them accordingly |
| 04:26.32 | znf | Ah. |
| 04:26.44 | Semlar | using these http://wowpedia.org/SecureStateDriver |
| 04:26.51 | Semlar | and this http://wowpedia.org/RestrictedEnvironment |
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| 04:27.24 | Semlar | i already had the code to rescale them when you mouse over a unit in my nameplate addon |
| 04:27.40 | Semlar | i mean it's not very efficient but it works |
| 04:28.14 | Semlar | there is absolutely no way to sort these though |
| 04:28.32 | Semlar | you can't get regions in the restricted environment |
| 04:28.32 | znf | I don't are :P |
| 04:28.35 | znf | care |
| 04:28.42 | Semlar | so i can't check their names or anything |
| 04:28.54 | znf | as long as the frames don't move until they die, it's fine |
| 04:29.11 | Semlar | they seem to stay put as long as they're on the screen |
| 04:29.35 | Semlar | if it moves off it's going to get recycled |
| 04:29.35 | Iriel | Semlar: this is the better reference, IMHO: http://www.iriel.org/wow/docs/SecureHeadersGuide-4.0-r1.pdf |
| 04:29.37 | znf | wish you could be able to increase the nameplates visibility |
| 04:29.49 | Semlar | iriel you use big words and stuff |
| 04:29.56 | Iriel | Semlar: fair enough 8-) |
| 04:30.11 | Semlar | but i used that as a reference to |
| 04:30.13 | Semlar | o |
| 04:30.30 | Semlar | visibility? |
| 04:30.43 | Semlar | you can make them look however you want |
| 04:31.17 | znf | I mean view-range |
| 04:31.22 | Semlar | oh |
| 04:31.26 | znf | the distance from a mob where a nameplate shows |
| 04:31.27 | Semlar | yeah it's 20 yards |
| 04:31.34 | Semlar | give or take |
| 04:31.36 | znf | only 20?! o.o |
| 04:31.41 | znf | I was hoping 40, which are most spells |
| 04:31.57 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it's less than 40 |
| 04:32.16 | Semlar | i can shoot things that i can't see the nameplate of |
| 04:32.21 | znf | it's 35 |
| 04:32.39 | Semlar | 20 seemed low and i don't know where i heard that |
| 04:32.44 | Semlar | maybe it used to be 20 |
| 04:32.54 | znf | should be 50 at least :P |
| 04:33.18 | Semlar | oh right, obviously, that topic i was discussing the frame rate issues in was about them extending the range |
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| 04:34.24 | Semlar | well, i don't know if it's mentioned there |
| 04:34.43 | Semlar | he said something about the range being extended on the ptr |
| 04:35.18 | Semlar | i am possibly going crazy though |
| 04:36.12 | Semlar | this definitely breaks kui |
| 04:36.25 | Semlar | any nameplates that move off the screen kui just keeps at the edge where they disappeared |
| 04:40.36 | kd3 | your random time fact of the day: September 11th 2001 is closer to the fall of the Berlin wall than to the present date. |
| 04:44.37 | znf | :o |
| 04:48.04 | znf | this is interesting, I never knew that the "height" of the game is always 768 |
| 05:00.55 | znf | Someone help me understand this: shouldn't, technically, disabling the UI scale be the same thing as setting it to "1"? |
| 05:02.14 | Semlar | Iriel: can i do something secure in response to a secure frame being hidden |
| 05:02.42 | Iriel | There's SecureHandlerShowHideTemplate |
| 05:03.12 | Semlar | i don't suppose i can create something that inherits that inside the restricted environment |
| 05:03.26 | znf | if I do /console set uiscale 1 then /console useuiscale 1 the UI significantly enlarges |
| 05:04.24 | Mr_Rabies | they probably have changed it but i thiiiiink default console scale is like .74 scale or something? |
| 05:04.33 | Mr_Rabies | it's been an eternity since i bothered with it |
| 05:04.40 | Mr_Rabies | er, default ui scale |
| 05:04.44 | Iriel | Semlar:I don't believe you can create frames from within the environment, no. |
| 05:05.02 | znf | Mr_Rabies, that's silly, then :( |
| 05:05.07 | Mr_Rabies | i could be 100% wrong |
| 05:05.11 | Semlar | but i can set a parent |
| 05:05.14 | znf | also, why the hell does /run print(GetScreenWidth(), "x", GetScreenHeight()) |
| 05:05.14 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.16 | Mr_Rabies | it's been literally years since i was messing with that stuff |
| 05:05.52 | Semlar | Iriel: could i pre-create a handful of these ShowHide frames and reparent them to nameplates from the restricted environment |
| 05:06.09 | Semlar | then when the nameplates are hidden execute their OnHide script |
| 05:06.40 | Semlar | i mean SetParent seems to be available from the restricted environment |
| 05:07.01 | Iriel | In theory, if you can get hold of a reference to the nameplates |
| 05:07.54 | Semlar | the OnHide script would be able to do anything from the restricted environment? |
| 05:08.55 | Semlar | it would be like a secure state driver |
| 05:10.00 | znf | Mr_Rabies, this thing is weird :P |
| 05:10.40 | Mr_Rabies | not as weird as this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nH6ya5g2-s |
| 05:13.05 | Primer | I find this oddly entertaining |
| 05:15.52 | Iriel | The OnHide script would be a snippet, so it can do whatever snippets can do |
| 05:17.17 | Semlar | i think that's whatever's in the restricted environment if i understand this |
| 05:17.23 | Iriel | nods. |
| 05:18.09 | Semlar | i actually don't think i need to do much but record a variable when something is hidden |
| 05:18.58 | znf | why the hell does WoW not run at the resolution I specify? :-/ |
| 05:18.58 | Semlar | when something is reshown it needs to go to the first missing slot |
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| 05:22.27 | Semlar | i wonder what the max number of nameplates will ever be onscreen at any given time is |
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| 05:24.03 | znf | I'm doing /console gxResolution 1800x900 |
| 05:24.08 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.21 | Semlar | in windowed mode? |
| 05:24.23 | znf | then print(GetScreenWidth(), "x", GetScreenHeight()) returns [07:21:58] 1800.0001220703 x 900.00006103516 |
| 05:24.24 | znf | yeah |
| 05:25.10 | Semlar | were you expecting 1800x900 |
| 05:25.15 | znf | yes... |
| 05:25.17 | Semlar | ah |
| 05:25.21 | Semlar | well doubles |
| 05:25.42 | znf | if I do gxResolution 1600x900, print(GetScreenWidth(), "x", GetScreenHeight()) returns 1600x900 |
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| 05:26.10 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure this is just a problem with the way lua stores numbers |
| 05:26.20 | znf | ?! |
| 05:26.27 | znf | what's there to fuck up about an integer? :P |
| 05:26.34 | Semlar | it's not an integer |
| 05:26.45 | Semlar | it's a double |
| 05:27.31 | znf | 1750 x 899.99993896484 |
| 05:27.36 | znf | this is /so/ weird |
| 05:28.05 | Semlar | i don't really get into the technical aspects too much |
| 05:28.06 | karl_w_w | so is it reporting the resolution incorrectly or is it actually trying to render that resolution? :P |
| 05:28.22 | znf | karl_w_w, I assume it's actually rendering at that resolution |
| 05:28.30 | znf | was wondering why pixel perfect fonts don't always look perfect... |
| 05:28.36 | Semlar | that's a different problem |
| 05:28.54 | znf | that's the issue with uiscale, I know |
| 05:29.18 | Semlar | it's not the uiscale because antialiasing can screw it up even if you're not parenting to the UIParent |
| 05:29.26 | znf | the UI gets aliased? |
| 05:29.29 | znf | antialiesed? |
| 05:29.33 | znf | erm, I suck at typing |
| 05:29.36 | znf | today* |
| 05:29.58 | Semlar | i actually wrote/stole a function that can place things on a pixel boundary |
| 05:30.32 | Semlar | hence the crazy black and white boxes in this http://i.imgur.com/o9eEOOa.jpg |
| 05:30.42 | Semlar | you'll notice they are pixel perfect |
| 05:30.56 | Semlar | and i use the uiscale |
| 05:31.37 | znf | well, now I broke it |
| 05:31.59 | Semlar | also i'm pretty sure fonts are antialiased unless you set the MONOCHROME flag when you're rendering it |
| 05:32.16 | Semlar | so for a pixel font you would probably need to set that |
| 05:32.25 | znf | this thing actually produces hilarious results |
| 05:33.09 | znf | running the game at 1800x900, disabling the uiscale, I see a size of my UI |
| 05:33.36 | znf | if I set the scale to 1 then enabling it, it produces different results |
| 05:34.05 | znf | now I set it to 1780x960 (though the game is reporting 1779.9998779297 x 960), the uiscale is set to 1.33 repeating |
| 05:34.46 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.37 | Semlar | you basically have to position the thing on a pixel boundary |
| 05:36.08 | Semlar | although if you're trying to apply something to the entire ui i don't know what you'd do |
| 05:36.20 | Semlar | i think there was a topic on wowinterface about that |
| 05:36.25 | znf | I read that |
| 05:36.34 | Semlar | it was pretty old and some of it was missing |
| 05:37.27 | znf | so right now I set gxResolution to 1780x960 (though the game is reporting 1779.9998779297 x 960), I set uiscale to 1, I enabled useuiscale... and now the game is reporting 1424 x 768 |
| 05:38.37 | znf | but, a frame which is set to 230px is actually ~285px :P |
| 05:39.09 | znf | Semlar, how can I make that pixel perfect thingie you used there? |
| 05:39.11 | znf | that texture |
| 05:39.17 | znf | actually, is it a texture? |
| 05:39.26 | znf | or some frames stacked on top of each other? |
| 05:39.42 | Semlar | it's a texture i made |
| 05:39.56 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.34 | znf | I would like this piece of code: http://oi41.tinypic.com/2ldgihd.jpg |
| 05:40.45 | znf | but that website is gone where it was hosted on :P |
| 05:42.13 | Semlar | you tried setting the ui scale based on the suggestions from that thread? |
| 05:42.20 | znf | yeah |
| 05:43.09 | znf | it seems that WoW acts strange if you use non-custom resolutions :P |
| 05:43.15 | znf | I mean non-standard resolutions |
| 05:44.10 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.06 | Semlar | it was just to position my nameplates on a pixel boundary |
| 05:47.01 | Semlar | i had to use the function twice, once to size the texture's width and height and again to position it |
| 05:47.34 | znf | I don't plan on doing anything, I'm just messing around with my resolution and see how funny WoW behaves in regards to uiscale |
| 05:48.03 | znf | I thought that disabling the UIScale is the same thing as setting it to 1 |
| 05:48.09 | Semlar | they also claim with UI scale off things should just be pixel perfect |
| 05:48.41 | Semlar | assuming you're using whole numbers to position things |
| 05:51.26 | Jamash | znf, Semlar: also see the last post that says you can use SET gxResolution "1337x812" to get your funky custom resolutions to work |
| 05:51.47 | znf | Jamash...? |
| 05:51.57 | znf | nobody said they're not working :) |
| 05:52.07 | znf | it's just that UIScale behaves weirdly with custom resolutions |
| 05:52.19 | Jamash | ah |
| 05:52.33 | Jamash | solution: don't set uiscale :P |
| 05:52.39 | znf | Jamash, even without that |
| 05:52.58 | znf | I mean, generally you would think that setting the UIScale to 1 should achieve the same thing as having it disabled, right? |
| 05:53.02 | Jamash | no |
| 05:53.09 | znf | Why? :) |
| 05:53.17 | Jamash | I've been around the block with the wow api enough to not make silly assumptions |
| 05:53.24 | Semlar | always assume |
| 05:54.13 | Jamash | I once assumed that the order that an api returned data in wouldn't suddenly change from chronological to alphabetical during login |
| 05:54.25 | Jamash | You can guess where this is going |
| 05:54.49 | Semlar | surprise! |
| 05:55.13 | Semlar | ah the world is full of surprises |
| 05:55.14 | Jamash | I'm glad they put in the pet journal so that code is now all the way broken instead of like halfway broken |
| 05:55.20 | Jamash | so now I can just take it out |
| 05:55.25 | znf | so far it seems that the only resolution where my UI is the same size with uiscale 1 and uiscale disabled is 1024x768 :P |
| 05:55.42 | Semlar | that's the size of the internal resolution |
| 05:55.44 | Jamash | probably some sort of deep hardcoded rendering target |
| 05:55.49 | Jamash | there you go |
| 05:56.03 | Semlar | except possibly there may be a couple different aspect ratios |
| 05:56.08 | Semlar | i think widescreen might be slightly different |
| 05:56.11 | Jamash | what you need is uiscale and uiaspectratio |
| 05:56.30 | znf | wait, I'm trying this :) |
| 05:56.32 | Jamash | pity there isn't uiaspectratio as far as I know |
| 05:56.59 | znf | same thing is valid for 1368x768 |
| 05:57.42 | znf | I bet the same thing remains for 1600x900 |
| 05:57.51 | znf | load faster, damn it! |
| 05:59.04 | Jamash | you know, if microsoft knew anything about computer science or software design I wouldn't have to install directx a hundred times |
| 05:59.41 | znf | AH! it starts to break at 1600x900 |
| 05:59.55 | znf | after you deviate from x768, you enter the weird zone |
| 06:00.30 | Jamash | so run at 1600x768 :X |
| 06:01.17 | znf | it annoys me that whatever custom resolution I set, I can't get a "proper" return from /run print(GetScreenWidth(), "x", GetScreenHeight()) |
| 06:01.47 | Jamash | correct api round-tripping is at like position infinity on blizzard's priority list |
| 06:01.53 | Semlar | interestingly my moved nameplates are not firing unit mouseover events when you move over them even though they behave exactly like unit frames |
| 06:02.04 | Semlar | i wonder if mouseover macros will work or not |
| 06:02.27 | Jamash | do unit mouseover events fire when you mouseover unit frames? |
| 06:02.31 | Semlar | yeah |
| 06:02.39 | Jamash | then clearly they don't behave exactly like unit frames |
| 06:02.40 | Semlar | i use that macro condition to rescale them |
| 06:03.03 | Semlar | well, the nameplates normally do |
| 06:03.11 | Jamash | you broke them! |
| 06:03.11 | Semlar | but i sort of split them apart and i think i broke them |
| 06:03.24 | Semlar | i mean you can still click on them and get a tooltip and everything |
| 06:03.38 | Semlar | but it's not firing my "on-mouseover" state driver |
| 06:03.44 | Semlar | like mousing over a unit would |
| 06:04.03 | Semlar | which is essentially a macro with [@mouseover,exists] |
| 06:04.57 | Jamash | right |
| 06:05.07 | Jamash | well |
| 06:05.11 | Jamash | you say you split them apart |
| 06:05.18 | Jamash | what did you do with the other pieces? |
| 06:05.55 | Semlar | they're.. around.. |
| 06:06.34 | Semlar | i'm almost positive mouseover macros still work so i think we're good |
| 06:06.48 | Semlar | i'm just testing this on a level 2 character so it's a little difficult to tell |
| 06:07.20 | Semlar | yeah they definitely still work |
| 06:07.50 | Semlar | CRISIS AVERTED |
| 06:12.55 | Semlar | ah i see the problem |
| 06:13.15 | Semlar | [@mouseover,exists] never changes states if you just move from one unit to another |
| 06:13.58 | Semlar | so it fires once when you mouse over the first unit and if you move to a new one without mousing off it doesn't fire again |
| 06:14.45 | Corv | I imagine a 1px gap wouldn't fix it because rapid mouse movement would skip over. |
| 06:15.11 | Semlar | it's not too big a deal |
| 06:15.26 | Semlar | it's good to know though |
| 06:15.56 | znf | wasn't there an addon that showed a configurable grid on your screen? |
| 06:16.11 | Semlar | for ui placement? |
| 06:16.15 | znf | yeah |
| 06:16.19 | Semlar | i've seen some |
| 06:16.29 | Semlar | can't say what they were called |
| 06:16.41 | Semlar | might have mentioned alignment |
| 06:17.10 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:17.21 | znf | ah! |
| 06:22.21 | znf | I love it when an addon is so small that I can just paste it in devpad and I don't have to restart the game |
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| 06:32.54 | znf | Are there some sort of guidelines when you create a bar texture? |
| 06:36.57 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVUSDetaC3Y lolol |
| 06:37.04 | karl_w_w | jleclanche ^ |
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| 06:56.16 | jleclanche | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CoincidentalBroadcast satisfying |
| 06:56.22 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: yeah i saw this a while back |
| 06:56.29 | jleclanche | really shouldve taken the chance |
| 06:56.43 | jleclanche | especially with mana tide and against a shaman, out of all things |
| 06:57.00 | jleclanche | who can summon minions every turn |
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| 07:04.30 | Semlar | i don't suppose anyone knows if two different secure frames can share the same restricted environment |
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| 07:13.59 | karl_w_w | I'm sure somebody knows :P |
| 07:14.24 | nebula169 | what are you trying to do? |
| 07:15.02 | Semlar | well when you create a secure frame you can make "global" variables that you can access from anything you execute within that frame |
| 07:15.15 | Semlar | but i want to share a table between two secure frames |
| 07:16.55 | Semlar | and i don't think SetAttribute lets you pass tables |
| 07:17.12 | Semlar | i thought maybe you could just set two frames to use the same environment |
| 07:17.21 | nevcairiel | only secure tables which you created in the secure env |
| 07:17.33 | Semlar | well yeah |
| 07:17.41 | Semlar | it was created in the secure environment |
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| 07:19.11 | Semlar | i have frame1:Execute('MyTable = newtable()') and i want to be able to access it from frame2 which is another secure handler |
| 07:19.56 | Primer | I find myself stumped by a weak aura I can't create |
| 07:20.04 | Primer | I'd like to track stacks of charge on my warrior |
| 07:20.10 | Primer | and simply show it as a number |
| 07:20.34 | Primer | Any idea how I'd go about that? Would it require code? |
| 07:21.09 | Semlar | text widget? |
| 07:21.17 | Primer | yes |
| 07:21.29 | Primer | but the trigger logic seems to escape me |
| 07:21.31 | Semlar | the display text lets you put %s for stacks of an aura |
| 07:21.39 | Primer | yeah, I did that |
| 07:21.44 | Primer | but it's not an aura |
| 07:21.51 | Semlar | how does it have stacks |
| 07:21.58 | Primer | it...just does? |
| 07:22.05 | Semlar | charges? |
| 07:22.05 | Primer | the bar icon shows it |
| 07:22.16 | Primer | I suppose that'd be the correct term, yes |
| 07:23.22 | Semlar | it's probably going to have to be custom |
| 07:23.27 | Primer | yeah |
| 07:23.32 | Semlar | i have never made a text widget with weak auras |
| 07:24.00 | Semlar | you should be able to use GetSpellCharges(spellName) |
| 07:24.14 | Semlar | maybe |
| 07:24.29 | Semlar | you can try printing that out to the chat and seeing what it returns |
| 07:24.47 | Primer | 2, 2, 4294947.296, 20 |
| 07:25.06 | Semlar | alright that's charges, maxcharges |
| 07:25.17 | Semlar | the last 2 are for the cooldown |
| 07:25.57 | Semlar | so if you want to display the current charges you should be able to take the first return value and do something or other and get it to show up in the text widget! |
| 07:26.24 | Semlar | i have no idea what the best trigger would be |
| 07:26.30 | znf | GetSpellCharges() doesn't return anyting for me |
| 07:26.36 | Semlar | i guess you could do it on update if you have to |
| 07:27.01 | Semlar | GetSpellCharges is for abilities like deterrence that let you use them a couple times before they actually go on cooldown |
| 07:27.10 | znf | Primer, do you want to track charges like a priests' feather, or something like a proc? |
| 07:27.24 | Primer | it's not a proc |
| 07:27.34 | Primer | but it can vary if glyphed |
| 07:27.38 | Primer | err talented |
| 07:27.49 | Primer | but yeah |
| 07:27.50 | znf | what are we talking about? |
| 07:27.56 | Primer | warrior charge |
| 07:28.07 | Semlar | you could just have it check onupdate it wouldn't really matter much |
| 07:28.14 | znf | the little number in the corner is a couple of different things |
| 07:28.15 | Primer | so when something returns several arguments, doesn't one just use select ()? |
| 07:28.21 | Primer | to get the Nth one? |
| 07:28.23 | Semlar | don't use select |
| 07:28.32 | Semlar | you want the first argument right? |
| 07:28.42 | Semlar | the current number of charges |
| 07:28.52 | Primer | correct |
| 07:29.16 | Semlar | you can literally just do something like if GetSpellCharges("Charge") < 2 then do something or other |
| 07:29.24 | Semlar | it'll evaluate the first return |
| 07:29.51 | Primer | it'd just be easier to return the first result... |
| 07:30.13 | Primer | function () return select (1, GetSpellCharges('Charge')) end |
| 07:30.14 | Primer | ? |
| 07:30.23 | Semlar | select(1) does nothing |
| 07:30.34 | Primer | which is what I just found out |
| 07:30.35 | Semlar | it's exactly the same as calling the function by itself |
| 07:30.53 | Semlar | if you want it to ONLY return one value you can put parentheses around it |
| 07:31.01 | Semlar | or assign it to a variable |
| 07:31.23 | Semlar | like local charges = GetSpellCharges('Charge') return charges |
| 07:31.35 | Semlar | or just return (GetSpellCharges('Charge')) |
| 07:32.17 | Primer | cool, it works |
| 07:33.24 | znf | it does...? |
| 07:33.27 | znf | it doesn't work for me o.o |
| 07:33.39 | Semlar | does your charge have charges |
| 07:34.32 | znf | yeah |
| 07:35.05 | znf | function () return select (1, GetSpellCharges('Angelic Feather')) end works |
| 07:35.16 | Primer | heh |
| 07:35.16 | znf | return GetSpellCharges('Angelic Feather') doesn't |
| 07:35.36 | Semlar | put parentheses around it |
| 07:35.45 | Primer | I did this: function () local c = GetSpellCharges('Charge') return c end |
| 07:35.59 | Semlar | return (GetSpellCharges('Angelic Feather')) |
| 07:36.06 | znf | oh, I need do function() return |
| 07:36.07 | znf | mkay |
| 07:36.19 | Semlar | right |
| 07:36.53 | znf | this works: |
| 07:36.54 | znf | function() return GetSpellCharges('Angelic Feather') end |
| 07:37.57 | znf | well, the help is clear |
| 07:38.08 | znf | "allows you to define a custom Lua function" |
| 07:38.34 | znf | and that function needs to return a string... I interpreted it as "must return string hurr durr" |
| 07:38.34 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 07:39.04 | Semlar | it doesn't technically return a string |
| 07:39.20 | Semlar | it can just be coerced into one |
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| 08:40.27 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:40.45 | Semlar | it is not even close to usable |
| 08:41.01 | Semlar | i'll work on it tomorrow |
| 08:41.10 | znf | ofc I want :P |
| 08:41.28 | Semlar | this is just kind of to make sure it's actually feasible |
| 08:41.54 | znf | ah, crap |
| 08:41.58 | znf | b.net maintenance |
| 08:42.09 | Semlar | maintenance!? |
| 08:42.27 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/WdUzmks.png |
| 08:42.28 | znf | yeah |
| 08:42.48 | Semlar | it's not down right now |
| 08:43.06 | Semlar | unless that's europe |
| 08:43.15 | znf | yes |
| 08:43.20 | Semlar | ah |
| 08:43.27 | Semlar | >_> |
| 08:44.03 | Semlar | oh well |
| 08:44.41 | Semlar | i'm pretty confident i can turn this into something usable |
| 08:44.53 | Semlar | i just don't think it'll be very compatible with other nameplate addons |
| 08:45.23 | znf | aura support? ^^ |
| 08:46.00 | znf | give a screenshot! |
| 08:46.02 | Semlar | i might be able to create a fake nameplate to replace the old one and trick the addon into using that as an anchor |
| 08:46.25 | znf | but that wouldn't work with Kui |
| 08:46.27 | znf | right? |
| 08:46.49 | Semlar | there isn't much to see http://i.imgur.com/9dgmJx6.jpg |
| 08:47.53 | znf | what's the red thing for? |
| 08:48.06 | Semlar | it shows the original nameplate |
| 08:48.11 | znf | ah |
| 08:48.27 | Semlar | which i didn't even expect to be able to do |
| 08:48.57 | Semlar | i figured if i were going to move the nameplate i wouldn't be able to identify where it was |
| 08:51.27 | Semlar | i'm trying to remember how i tricked the game into thinking one frame was another frame |
| 08:52.24 | Semlar | i had to set its meta table to a function that passed a reference to the other frame or something |
| 09:02.58 | Semlar | i actually did get this to partially work with kui, i could probably get it done with some fiddling |
| 09:03.07 | znf | you did? :o |
| 09:03.54 | Semlar | the anchors are off when they reshow and i'm not quite sure why yet |
| 09:04.02 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:04.48 | Semlar | kui is anchoring the left of its nameplates to the center of my nameplates |
| 09:05.08 | Semlar | but only when the frame is recycled |
| 09:06.50 | znf | but I thought the whole point was to have the original nameplate in the grid |
| 09:07.13 | Semlar | no, it's to have the clickable portion in a grid |
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| 09:07.39 | znf | but could you anchor the auras in the clickable area? |
| 09:08.08 | Semlar | all of that is going to have to be done by my addon |
| 09:08.17 | znf | then there's no point for Kui :P |
| 09:08.29 | Semlar | maybe |
| 09:08.35 | znf | I simply like how Kui looks :) |
| 09:08.52 | Semlar | it wouldn't work for this |
| 09:09.04 | Semlar | it really needs to be like a compact raid frame addon |
| 09:10.11 | Semlar | i guess you could stack them all up in a column |
| 09:10.35 | Semlar | i just think they'd take up too much space |
| 09:13.38 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:16.30 | znf | that's tidy, cool |
| 09:19.04 | Semlar | i like that this has basically no effect on my nameplates whatesoever |
| 09:19.34 | Semlar | the way i position my nameplates doesn't really care much about what this is doing to them |
| 09:22.45 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.37 | znf | you mean your original frames scale down the clickable area? |
| 09:24.55 | Semlar | yeah, i scale them down to make the clickable area smaller so they don't overlap as much |
| 09:25.11 | Semlar | so it's also scaling this down |
| 09:25.28 | Semlar | i could counter that |
| 09:25.37 | mikma | with tnt |
| 09:25.46 | Semlar | it's dynamite |
| 09:25.56 | mikma | tnt is not dynamite |
| 09:26.13 | Semlar | tell that to acdc |
| 09:26.28 | mikma | i would love to do that cause they are wrong :) |
| 09:28.32 | Mr_Rabies | to be fair, they never say tnt is dynamite |
| 09:29.06 | Mr_Rabies | they simply mention both having explosive properties |
| 09:29.23 | mikma | Cos I'm |
| 09:29.23 | mikma | T.N.T. |
| 09:29.24 | mikma | I'm Dynamite |
| 09:29.32 | mikma | Watch me Explode |
| 09:29.40 | Semlar | i will do no such thing |
| 09:53.26 | znf | Semlar, http://i.imgur.com/v3IVbqB.png |
| 09:56.09 | znf | like that :P |
| 10:03.05 | rid_ | ohi znf |
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| 11:51.40 | bluspacecow | lol cliched cameo in Agents of Shield |
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| 14:11.59 | zenzio | having access control for different user roles by having multiple database rows, one for each role (and one for "all") instead of having one bitfield value feels so unnecessary to me |
| 14:15.21 | jleclanche | oh i love these guys |
| 14:15.49 | jleclanche | mozilla is using labels on github with the ★ character to display importance |
| 14:17.06 | zenzio | well how else would they do it? It's just ugly to use !!! |
| 14:17.07 | zenzio | =D |
| 14:17.52 | jleclanche | Pri-1 etc |
| 14:17.56 | jleclanche | thats how google does it anyway |
| 14:18.36 | zenzio | I was being witty (sort of), but I believe you knew that |
| 14:18.52 | bluspacecow | oh zenzio u so witty |
| 14:18.55 | bluspacecow | have my babies ? |
| 14:18.56 | zenzio | but then github doesn't have any kind of built-in priority stuff? |
| 14:19.04 | jleclanche | ya it doesnt |
| 14:19.07 | zenzio | bluspacecow: no, did you lose them? |
| 14:19.13 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 14:19.14 | jleclanche | not that i mind, i think its the right choice |
| 14:19.29 | jleclanche | theres a lot to be said about meta work |
| 14:19.55 | zenzio | does Mozilla only have an "important"/"not important" system, or do they use multiple stars on some? That would look interesting |
| 14:20.01 | jleclanche | multiple stars |
| 14:20.09 | jleclanche | ★, ★★, ★★★ etc |
| 14:20.27 | zenzio | that seems impractical |
| 14:20.40 | jleclanche | why? |
| 14:20.52 | zenzio | well, it did until I gave it a moment more thought |
| 14:21.26 | zenzio | if both those schemes were at the start of the labels, then I don't know how multiple stars would sort compared to Pri-X |
| 14:21.50 | zenzio | but if they're not at the start, then you'd have to use some crazy sorting scheme instead |
| 14:22.05 | jleclanche | i dont understand your concern |
| 14:22.11 | zenzio | there is none |
| 14:22.16 | zenzio | I just ponder weird things sometimes |
| 14:23.27 | jleclanche | i really, really like the new github ui |
| 14:29.37 | amro | what new ui? |
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| 14:36.47 | jleclanche | amro: they changed their bug tracker UI a week ago or so |
| 14:37.02 | jleclanche | well, not very discernably |
| 14:37.08 | jleclanche | but the changes are great |
| 14:44.43 | Alram | indeed they did |
| 14:44.46 | Alram | its slightly better this way |
| 14:44.59 | Neffi | Semlar: http://youtu.be/oroEOMskgEI |
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| 15:06.24 | zenzio | bizarre... POSTing a form with a lot of text, no problem. Make the first line in the big text field "<h1 class="article_head">...</h1>" and the Apache child process seg faults (11); but without the "<h1>"-tag I can send at least twice as much data |
| 15:09.21 | zenzio | the <h1> is not the first part of the POST data; there are other fields before it |
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| 15:28.41 | jleclanche | whu |
| 15:28.51 | jleclanche | you make apache segfault with a <h1> ? |
| 15:29.29 | jleclanche | if you can repro that on a live version you just earned yourself anywhere between $250k-$5m |
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| 15:39.44 | alestane | tangos with Peppy. |
| 15:40.47 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, alestane. |
| 15:50.00 | Workfoz | jleclanche: probably using mod_something which does the actual crashing (mod_php, mod_python, mod_perl or something) |
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| 16:11.18 | Lopeppeppy | I want tea sooooooo badly. |
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| 16:46.45 | Shirik | Cairenn: http://imgur.com/0Lc0zXN |
| 16:47.56 | Shirik | zenzio: are you sure it's apache segfaulting and not the underlying application? |
| 16:48.23 | Lopeppeppy | "Is the vector replication competent?" Nope, stoned off its ass. |
| 16:51.40 | Dagmar | Shirik: That's one of the reasons I think we should deport him to Mexico |
| 16:53.13 | amro | yeah because then there's absolutely no way he's sneaking back in |
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| 17:14.11 | Fisker | I bought blue tea Lopeppeppy |
| 17:14.35 | Lopeppeppy | I usually drink yellow and blue tea, Fisker. |
| 17:14.45 | Fisker | Weirdo |
| 17:15.01 | Lopeppeppy | Delicious. |
| 17:15.20 | Fisker | nope! |
| 17:15.26 | Fisker | I was told tea makes you pregnant |
| 17:15.27 | Lopeppeppy | https://www.harney.com/ht-yellow-blue.html Yup. |
| 17:15.53 | Lopeppeppy | Tea makes you into an old spinster lady. |
| 17:16.18 | Fisker | just as bad it seams |
| 17:16.30 | Lopeppeppy | Unless you like that. |
| 17:17.15 | Fisker | It's my fetish |
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| 17:19.43 | karl_w_w | so is it possible to replace hearthstone assets? |
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| 17:22.14 | Lopeppeppy | MILF for Fisker for valentine's day, got it. |
| 17:22.22 | Lopeppeppy | Since I will be totally not in the mood! |
| 17:22.58 | Fisker | Well if I get MILF's for valentines when you're not in the mood, I'm sure I could handle whatever you would throw at me when in the mood |
| 17:24.08 | Dagmar | You could probably replace all the pics with photoshopped nude elfs, but why would you want to? |
| 17:24.33 | Fisker | who said anything about pics? |
| 17:24.44 | Fisker | I expected a huge package in the mail |
| 17:24.48 | Fisker | expect* |
| 17:29.14 | Neffi | Dagmar: so he could stare at photoshopped nude elfs? |
| 17:29.46 | Dagmar | That's what multiple monitor setups are for |
| 17:29.58 | Dagmar | One for gaming, one for porn. |
| 17:31.38 | Neffi | Now that's multitasking |
| 17:39.59 | Lopeppeppy | Ahem. "huge" ? |
| 17:40.05 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, teach the boy some manners. |
| 17:41.12 | alestane | I suppose it depends on how many MILFs he expects this package to contain. |
| 17:42.17 | jleclanche | Dagmar: one hand on the joystick, one hand on the joy-stick |
| 17:44.09 | Fisker | Tge package isn't huge Lopeppeppy? |
| 17:44.10 | Fisker | The* |
| 17:44.10 | alestane | enrolls Fisker in Cassandra French's Finishing School for Boys. |
| 17:44.22 | Fisker | What's that? |
| 17:45.37 | alestane | http://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Frenchs-Finishing-School-Boys/dp/B000HWYM96 |
| 17:45.45 | alestane | Also apparently now a mini-series, or something. |
| 17:46.25 | alestane | Or at least it's apparently been piloted. |
| 17:46.54 | Lopeppeppy | This is my rifle, this is my gun. This is for fighting, this is for fun. |
| 17:47.21 | alestane | We have powder and shot, to conquer the lot; we have cannon and ball, to conquer them all. |
| 17:52.27 | bluspacecow | ball? |
| 17:52.29 | bluspacecow | BALLS!~ |
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| 17:56.57 | bluspacecow | wagon |
| 17:56.59 | bluspacecow | oh wa- |
| 17:57.00 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 17:57.15 | Unkle | Station. |
| 17:57.20 | bluspacecow | :) |
| 17:57.26 | bluspacecow | master! |
| 17:57.56 | Unkle | Who is the Shogun of Harlem? Sho'nuff |
| 17:58.20 | bluspacecow | Shaft! |
| 17:59.47 | Unkle | Different movie. |
| 18:01.21 | Semlar | neffi |
| 18:01.47 | Neffi | Semlar: |
| 18:01.52 | Semlar | why you do dis neffi |
| 18:01.59 | Neffi | because I can |
| 18:02.18 | Semlar | ah |
| 18:02.24 | Semlar | well carry on then |
| 18:03.14 | Neffi | I got into teh ESO beta :) |
| 18:03.30 | Semlar | i see. |
| 18:03.46 | Neffi | I'll let you know if it sucks or not. It opens tomorrow at noon |
| 18:04.57 | bluspacecow | oh rly Neffi ? |
| 18:05.08 | Neffi | rly rly |
| 18:06.56 | bluspacecow | The install. Is it all enclosed in a folder like wow is ? |
| 18:07.15 | Neffi | I didn't check. It's an EXE client download like WoW |
| 18:07.26 | Neffi | You run it, the launcher starts and downloads the latest patch, then applies it |
| 18:07.50 | bluspacecow | im just wandering about the viability of figuring out where it downloads stuff from then building a install folder manually |
| 18:07.54 | bluspacecow | i have a ESO key btw |
| 18:08.16 | Neffi | Bethesda.net_Launcher.exe <- they want to sound like WoW I guess |
| 18:08.41 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.15 | Neffi | that looks pretty nice Semlar |
| 18:10.24 | Semlar | it's tidyplates |
| 18:10.33 | Neffi | You're gonna be the reason my nameplates break tho |
| 18:10.52 | Semlar | maybe |
| 18:11.21 | Semlar | i wish there was some way to sort these |
| 18:11.33 | Neffi | there's not? |
| 18:11.37 | Fisker | I'm hungry Lopeppeppy |
| 18:11.52 | Semlar | well i can't detect any regions from the restricted environment |
| 18:12.09 | Semlar | all of the frames look the same from there |
| 18:12.29 | Neffi | But you can tell how many children it has right? |
| 18:12.37 | Semlar | yeah |
| 18:12.48 | Neffi | So have an unsure script add/remove children depending on the order it wants them to be in, then the secure code sort them according to how many children they have |
| 18:12.51 | Lopeppeppy | I'm friggin' starving, Fisker. Eat some food for us. |
| 18:13.02 | bluspacecow | I seeepy Peppy |
| 18:13.21 | alestane | I think you know what to do about that by now... |
| 18:13.30 | Semlar | might work |
| 18:13.38 | Fisker | Ok good |
| 18:13.42 | Fisker | Imma eat burgers Lopeppeppy |
| 18:13.44 | Fisker | is that ok? |
| 18:13.51 | bluspacecow | i can has sleep ? |
| 18:14.04 | Neffi | If that works, it could make multi DoTing too eas |
| 18:14.25 | Neffi | easy, rather. Have the unsecure script bump the next target to the top. Then the user doesnt even have to move the mouse to keep multi-DoTing |
| 18:14.39 | Semlar | well, i'm pretty sure enough of it isn't actually protected that i could add children to it |
| 18:15.20 | Semlar | i don't think i've tried to do that in combat before though |
| 18:15.56 | Lopeppeppy | Blue, go to sleep. Fisker, eat many cowburgers. |
| 18:16.07 | bluspacecow | yay! I can has zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 18:16.10 | bluspacecow | *thunk* |
| 18:16.10 | Fisker | bye bluspacecow |
| 18:16.12 | Fisker | hope you don't die |
| 18:16.18 | Fisker | I'm eating cowburgers |
| 18:16.24 | Neffi | blu, don't go to sleep! They're trying to eat you |
| 18:16.38 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy having to micromanage everyone |
| 18:16.41 | Fisker | gj |
| 18:16.58 | Lopeppeppy | But I love you so that's okay. I do not love micromanaging my Great Grand Boss. |
| 18:17.04 | Unkle | Can't sleep, clowns will get me. |
| 18:17.14 | Fisker | giggles |
| 18:17.20 | Fisker | but girls have cooties |
| 18:17.21 | Fisker | :( |
| 18:17.54 | Fisker | But if a ginger has no soul, can they have cooties? |
| 18:18.00 | Fisker | Important question |
| 18:18.17 | Fisker | And since I'm a daywalker but not a girl, do I have no soul but cooties? |
| 18:18.53 | Neffi | Daywalkers have souls. They're only half ginger. |
| 18:19.54 | Fisker | really? |
| 18:19.57 | Fisker | :( |
| 18:20.05 | Fisker | Then why am I like this? |
| 18:20.17 | Neffi | Because you're Fisker |
| 18:20.52 | AcidWeb | I don't need my ESO stress test key. Anybody want it? |
| 18:20.58 | Corv | Neffi: If that multi-DoT idea works this will totally get patched, that's just Decursive again. =P |
| 18:21.10 | Neffi | AcidWeb: That depends on what a stress-test key is |
| 18:22.06 | Shirik | Semlar: Really? |
| 18:22.09 | Shirik | Your GMOTD |
| 18:22.17 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 18:22.23 | AcidWeb | Neffi: It is for stress test this weekend. No idea if it allow to participate in tests later. |
| 18:22.26 | Shirik | "Please remember that items in the guild bank are for members of the guild and not for resale." |
| 18:22.40 | Shirik | If you have to remind your members of that, you might think about getting rid of some of them, imo. |
| 18:22.52 | Semlar | this is just some random guild that was spamming invites to everyone |
| 18:22.57 | Shirik | o |
| 18:22.57 | Semlar | this is my bank alt |
| 18:22.57 | Neffi | Yeah, I got a key for this weekend. Thought maybe that was something special |
| 18:23.06 | Shirik | then I totally understand why they would have to say that lol |
| 18:24.24 | Neffi | Ugh. ESO doesn't have a streaming downloader |
| 18:25.20 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.59 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:27.03 | AcidWeb | Neffi: And client have ~30GB |
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| 18:29.55 | Neffi | Semlar: I hope your bank alt's guild name is Wear |
| 18:30.18 | Semlar | no neffi |
| 18:30.23 | Semlar | they are the rebels |
| 18:30.43 | Semlar | but i am using the diplomat title |
| 18:31.08 | Neffi | Under the Diplomat? |
| 18:31.25 | Semlar | perhaps |
| 18:31.41 | Fisker | btw Lopeppeppy |
| 18:31.46 | Fisker | I have more games than Ackis on steam |
| 18:31.49 | Fisker | he is weak |
| 18:31.51 | Fisker | I am strong |
| 18:32.05 | Lopeppeppy | Is this good, Fisker? He has a female companion, but fewer games. |
| 18:32.13 | Lopeppeppy | Unkle, clowns can come get me any day. |
| 18:32.25 | Fisker | Seems like a lose-lose to me Lopeppeppy |
| 18:32.27 | Fisker | slam |
| 18:35.20 | Lopeppeppy | Ouch! |
| 18:35.51 | Ackis | Fisker: you passed met? |
| 18:35.59 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: Clowns, but not Juggalos? |
| 18:36.15 | Fisker | met Ackis? |
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| 18:40.55 | Lopeppeppy | Unkle, not Juggalos. I'm not that desperate yet. |
| 18:42.18 | Lopeppeppy | "What is the most serious adverse effect you can forsee as a result of this experiment?" All the lab assistants die of bubonic plague. |
| 18:43.02 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: Correct answer to that question is always "Zombie Apocalypse." |
| 18:47.57 | Ackis | cannot comment on the female companion aspect. |
| 18:49.42 | Fisker | blink twice if she's holding you hostage |
| 18:56.57 | Ressy | She'd beat him. |
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| 18:58.27 | Ackis | she beats me anyways |
| 18:59.05 | Fisker | tell me where on the bear she beats you |
| 18:59.13 | Fisker | crotch area excluded |
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| 19:02.11 | Ressy | Better question is where doesn't he deserve to be beaten. :P |
| 19:18.04 | Primer | Semlar: I saw your nameplate image not long ago. Are you working on adding an option in tidyplates to organize them better? |
| 19:18.06 | Unkle | ... this is a whole new level of debauchery up in here. |
| 19:18.14 | Primer | because neither stacking nor spreading works very well, IMO |
| 19:19.19 | Primer | stacking makes them always go off the top of the screen, and spreading still overlaps a lot and moves too quickly |
| 19:20.06 | Primer | I'd like to see a scheme where they both spread and stack, and don't update their locations on every frame |
| 19:20.10 | Unkle | Nameplates only feel useful to me when there are very few of them to deal with. It's like ... they're almost useful, but then they let me down. |
| 19:20.47 | Semlar | how would you determine which ones to display |
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| 19:21.56 | Corv | Remember the shrunken "trivial mob" plates at 5.0? That, where only the "biggest" or tied for bigest mob in the encounter is normal sized. |
| 19:22.37 | Primer | I just want a better spread of the plates |
| 19:23.11 | Primer | I use a lot of mouseover macros and I just want to hover over a plate and hit a key to dot shit up |
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| 19:41.05 | Neffi | "That player cannot be kicked for another 4 hours" |
| 19:41.09 | Neffi | wtf is wrong with this system |
| 19:41.33 | Dagmar | The cooldown's only 15 minutes right? |
| 19:41.42 | Neffi | yeah |
| 19:42.00 | karl_w_w | if the group kicks a few you get that |
| 19:42.04 | Neffi | Healer zoned in and stopped responding, and we couldnt kick |
| 19:42.09 | Neffi | We didnt kick anyone |
| 19:42.10 | karl_w_w | basically it's all shit |
| 19:42.44 | Neffi | Now *we* face the cooldown because of the healer |
| 19:42.52 | Dagmar | Well, I mean if you jsut abandon the group like you would any other cursed ship... 15 minute cooldown |
| 19:43.38 | Dagmar | Although the assumption that someone who was just kicked is somehow not going to be a douchebag again in the next four hours seems laughable to me |
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| 20:17.44 | jleclanche | Neffi: this is blizzard's system |
| 20:17.51 | jleclanche | the problem is you kicked too many people |
| 20:17.57 | jleclanche | now you are on a tighter cooldown |
| 20:18.28 | Neffi | We hadn't kicked anyone, jleclanche |
| 20:18.35 | jleclanche | i mean in general |
| 20:18.39 | jleclanche | you have been kicking too many people |
| 20:18.49 | Neffi | No I haven't |
| 20:20.14 | Primer | kicks jleclanche |
| 20:20.21 | jleclanche | dont you dare |
| 20:20.53 | Primer | I just walked my wife through "restarting the internet" at home over the phone |
| 20:21.26 | Primer | I thought my head was going to explode |
| 20:21.45 | Primer | "Ok, dear, hit the start button and in the little box above it, type this: cmd" |
| 20:22.07 | Primer | "In the new box that appears, type this: ping 10.1.1.1" |
| 20:22.08 | Primer | Then she goes "No new box came up" |
| 20:22.24 | Primer | "Hrmm? You hit the start button and typed cmd, right?" |
| 20:22.26 | Primer | "yes" |
| 20:22.35 | Primer | "And no new box?" |
| 20:23.04 | Primer | Guess what she DIDN'T do after typing cmd? |
| 20:23.12 | Dagmar | open-apple-c? |
| 20:23.14 | Primer | You guessed it...she didn't hit enter |
| 20:23.48 | kd3 | eh. that's one of the first things I learned... be explicit about every keypress |
| 20:26.49 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.57 | mikma | semlar: boooooo bitch! |
| 20:29.04 | Semlar | :l |
| 20:29.05 | Neffi | Semlar: looks purdy |
| 20:39.37 | Neffi | I officially have the maturity of a 5 year old |
| 20:39.59 | Semlar | yes |
| 20:40.01 | Neffi | A telemarketer called, so I answered and farted into the phone. I went into such a bad laughing fit that I passed out from lack of oxygen |
| 20:40.36 | Arrowmaster | huh thats funny, when i move files to an ntfs drive the mount.ntfs command shows up as doing the I/O in iotop but when i move files to my encrypted ext4 drive the program moving the files shows as doing the I/O in iotop |
| 20:40.49 | Neffi | My diaphragm hurts like hell |
| 20:41.39 | Primer | Semlar: release that, now |
| 20:41.51 | Semlar | it is not even close to being ready to use |
| 20:41.56 | Primer | I don't care |
| 20:42.01 | Primer | I'll help you work on it |
| 20:42.01 | Semlar | -.- |
| 20:42.42 | Primer | Or are you saying it only works in very specific cases? |
| 20:42.48 | Primer | like, by the training dummies |
| 20:42.55 | Semlar | no it works with all nameplates |
| 20:43.16 | Semlar | it just doesn't have any aura tracking or anything which i guess is the main point |
| 20:43.23 | Primer | You said that's still tidyplates, right? |
| 20:43.26 | Primer | Can you show dots? |
| 20:43.36 | Primer | and aggro? |
| 20:43.51 | Semlar | not yet but it certainly could do anything a nameplate addon could |
| 20:45.07 | Primer | I'd love to see all that: dots, aggro, castbars, target |
| 20:45.21 | Primer | nameplates can do target too, right? |
| 20:45.37 | Semlar | sort of |
| 20:45.37 | Neffi | This feature alone could be released as its own addon, and nameplate modifiers like TidyPlates would continue to work with it installed, right? |
| 20:46.23 | Semlar | right now, tidyplates would attach itself to my list and kui would attach itself to the original nameplate positions |
| 20:46.28 | Primer | make it so, number one |
| 20:47.00 | Semlar | because they use different ways to position themselves |
| 20:47.08 | Semlar | i think most nameplate addons would attach themselves to my list |
| 20:54.14 | Semlar | i would prefer it be separate |
| 20:55.31 | Semlar | unless tidyplates lets you style it enough that it could look okay like this |
| 20:56.31 | Semlar | can you make the debuffs grow from the side with tidyplates? |
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| 21:24.29 | Torhal | TESO keys: http://www.curse.com/betas/teso-beta-key-giveaway |
| 21:25.05 | Dagmar | Thanks but if I want to download 100Gb of data again I'll make it porno |
| 21:25.25 | Torhal | Bwah |
| 21:25.34 | Torhal | Wait...what? |
| 21:25.41 | Torhal | If you're making it...why the download? |
| 21:30.02 | Dagmar | Comparitive studies |
| 21:36.53 | Unkle | bow chikka bow bow |
| 21:37.39 | Torhal | You do soundtracks now, Unkle? |
| 21:38.08 | Unkle | I also do F/X and bad SQL queries |
| 21:38.08 | TC-Work | Someone has to. No one want's to hear Dagmar's grunting. |
| 21:38.37 | Dagmar | Yodeling. |
| 21:38.49 | TC-Work | Right, much better.... |
| 21:38.51 | Dagmar | Gotta have a unique "hook", you know |
| 21:38.52 | Torhal | Tarzan |
| 21:39.59 | Dagmar | yes but can you keep that up for six hours straight? |
| 21:40.21 | TC-Work | Doctors frown on that. |
| 21:40.35 | Unkle | First World IT Problem. I need to test this video set up with three 27" monitors - and I'm out of space to set up the rig. |
| 21:40.36 | Torhal | Your version of a laugh track? |
| 21:40.56 | tz | I has 3 27" monitors on my desk |
| 21:41.01 | Dagmar | TC-Work: Mine doesn't have a sense of humor about that |
| 21:41.14 | TC-Work | Dagmar: Get a better Doctor |
| 21:42.13 | Unkle | tz: I have 2x 24" in my set up, but the build I'm doing for someone here has these 3x27 on a giant stand ... and I'm out of space. I'll have to take something apart to make room. |
| 21:43.17 | tz | http://i.imgur.com/JZ1GMQe.jpg |
| 21:43.18 | tz | :P |
| 21:43.32 | kd3 | heh. work's all twitchy now. there's a chance that more wintry weather's on the way and 3 emails have already gone out |
| 21:46.15 | Unkle | tz: Yeah, like that only the monitors are going on a metal stand/rig with articulated arms. |
| 21:46.19 | tz | yep yep |
| 21:46.35 | TC-Work | Unkle: Do it on another table? |
| 21:46.52 | tz | I used to have that at home with my 2x2 24" setup, the arms aren't strong enough to hold 27's though :( |
| 21:47.11 | TC-Work | Well I feel better, my desk is not nearly as messy as that |
| 21:47.16 | tz | haha |
| 21:47.19 | tz | it's clean fucken |
| 21:47.23 | tz | I know where everything is |
| 21:47.28 | Unkle | TC-Work: Yeah, no place for that either. Just going to set up the whole thing in place on Saturday when I can disassemble the set up on their desk anyway. |
| 21:47.41 | TC-Work | Sure, you just can't see the desk.... |
| 21:48.01 | tz | but I don't NEED to! |
| 21:48.15 | tz | I can see dem c0dez |
| 21:48.21 | tz | it's good enough |
| 21:48.46 | tz | for you I'll clean up though |
| 21:48.51 | tz | only because you asked nicely |
| 21:49.14 | TC-Work | tz, my desk: https://www.dropbox.com/s/86bhwyfdoc4p3i5/Desk.jpg |
| 21:49.18 | TC-Work | assuming it still works |
| 21:49.35 | Unkle | TC-Work: Part of the problem is that there's too many pieces in my work space right now because I'm upgrading a bunch of equipment. There are 8 monitors in here, and 5 desktops. I'm kinda squeezed for space until all this gets delivered. |
| 21:49.39 | tz | glare! |
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| 21:49.58 | tz | wow, desk within a desk while you watch a desk |
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| 21:50.09 | tz | ...or something |
| 21:50.42 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.55 | TC-Work | I used to have 3 30", but I had to give one up |
| 21:51.07 | TC-Work | damn boss. |
| 21:51.38 | Unkle | Semlar: mushroom mushroom mushroom |
| 21:51.43 | Semlar | badger badger |
| 21:52.45 | Unkle | Ok, I just tried to adjust the camera angle in your screen shot. I think I need a vacation. |
| 21:52.57 | Semlar | yeah.. |
| 21:55.16 | Neffi | das goat |
| 21:55.22 | Semlar | bb goat |
| 21:55.37 | Neffi | What is the meaning of the mushroom bar? |
| 21:56.06 | Semlar | it shows what i'm in combat with |
| 21:56.25 | Neffi | In combat with mushrooms? |
| 21:56.30 | Semlar | no.. |
| 21:56.33 | Neffi | Stop fighting with yourself Semlar |
| 21:57.12 | Dagmar | Usually one simply tries to relax and wait for them to wear off. |
| 21:57.19 | Dagmar | "Fighting" them is not recommended. |
| 21:57.46 | tz | http://i.imgur.com/5LY6YzT.jpg |
| 21:57.47 | tz | there you go |
| 21:57.53 | tz | that's as clean as you're gonna get |
| 21:58.06 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:59.28 | Semlar | it's the bar on the right |
| 21:59.40 | Dagmar | I see you have the traditional bottle of cough syrup for coding in PHP |
| 21:59.59 | Neffi | lol @ that death |
| 22:00.05 | Semlar | :l |
| 22:00.15 | Semlar | did you skip to the end just to watch me die |
| 22:00.30 | Neffi | maybe |
| 22:00.32 | tz | what the hell is the arrow thing |
| 22:00.42 | Semlar | an arrow |
| 22:01.00 | tz | looks kinda like something I did that was..... questionable.... back in TBC |
| 22:01.33 | TC-Work | At least you never had to go to the doctor about it. |
| 22:01.33 | Semlar | it shows people's targets |
| 22:02.03 | tz | raidN -> whatever nameplate, I guess? |
| 22:02.24 | Semlar | more or less |
| 22:02.39 | Semlar | it's actually a giant table of guids |
| 22:02.39 | tz | I like. |
| 22:02.45 | tz | fair enough |
| 22:03.17 | Gethe | the arrows are interesting, but as a tank having friendly nameplates is to much visual clutter for me |
| 22:04.23 | Gethe | mostly becouse i use nameplates to target mobs |
| 22:04.37 | tz | same, even though I'm a mindless dps |
| 22:04.53 | tz | and I get lazy sometimes so I just keybind targeting macros |
| 22:04.55 | tz | shrugs |
| 22:05.56 | Gethe | though if there was a way to get the arrows without nameplates on, that would be awesome |
| 22:06.10 | Semlar | sure, i can just hide the visual portion of the nameplate |
| 22:06.35 | tz | you'd still be selecting friendlies though, as it'd just be visually hidden, no? |
| 22:06.46 | Semlar | you could click on them |
| 22:06.52 | Gethe | yeah id have to click through |
| 22:07.20 | Semlar | the clickable area of my nameplates is not very large |
| 22:08.22 | Gethe | i like how in Wildstar they actually have achors on the models themself to which you can attach UI frames |
| 22:09.08 | tz | they don't usually expose the worldspace coords nowadays, do they? otherwise world2screen etc. would be feasible |
| 22:09.43 | tz | been far too long since I did any wow dec |
| 22:09.44 | tz | dev |
| 22:09.44 | tz | ugh |
| 22:12.33 | Semlar | well, you know the distance to players in your group and you know their nameplate position on screen so with two data points and the center of the screen representing the player you could calculate the distance to every other nameplate |
| 22:13.16 | Torhal | wonders when Semlar will make a map AddOn that has nameplates. |
| 22:13.22 | Semlar | :l |
| 22:13.56 | Neffi | Semlar: do it |
| 22:14.02 | Semlar | never! |
| 22:14.08 | Torhal | convinces Humbedooh to back Semlar in this endeavor. |
| 22:14.56 | Semlar | presumably you could get the exact coordinates of enemies that way |
| 22:14.58 | Torhal | You should look at some of Humbedooh's libs, Semlar. He's even madder than you. |
| 22:15.02 | Semlar | IMPOSSIBLE |
| 22:15.07 | Semlar | I'LL SHOW HIM! |
| 22:15.33 | Torhal | Semlar: http://www.wowace.com/addons/libsvg-1-0/ |
| 22:15.56 | Semlar | you had to bring math into this |
| 22:16.10 | Semlar | you know how i feel about geometry |
| 22:16.28 | tz | ok, now that's cool. |
| 22:16.45 | tz | nuts.... but cool. |
| 22:16.51 | Torhal | Hahaha |
| 22:17.10 | Neffi | yeah, I like the idea |
| 22:17.26 | Torhal | http://www.wowace.com/addons/libxml-1-0/ |
| 22:19.23 | Unkle | "Because I'm a thievin' bastard who doesn't bother to check what he commits" - so like, everyone ever? |
| 22:21.34 | Dagmar | I *think* you might need to know the current camera angle in order to work that out correctly |
| 22:22.10 | tz | you may be able to do something with multiple player locations to that effect |
| 22:22.28 | Dagmar | Nevermind. You'd need to know that to avoid basically broadcast spam |
| 22:22.48 | Dagmar | Knowing distance between you and two players doesn't help unless you know the distance between those two players relative to each other |
| 22:23.00 | Dagmar | ...which would be umm... broadcast spam |
| 22:23.09 | Semlar | broadcast spam? |
| 22:23.16 | Semlar | you know their physical coordinates |
| 22:23.19 | Semlar | they're on the map |
| 22:23.21 | tz | nameplate locs |
| 22:23.45 | Semlar | between their coordinates and their nameplates you can figure out the camera angle |
| 22:23.53 | Esamynn|work | uh oh |
| 22:24.12 | Neffi | Semlar is gonna be the death of addons |
| 22:24.13 | Esamynn|work | you may not want to go down the road of anything that will get you camera angle |
| 22:24.34 | kd3 | ah, crap. the script used the wrong email address. oh well |
| 22:24.34 | Semlar | yeah yeah i already know blizzard said they would kill anything that tried to do that again |
| 22:24.36 | kd3 | emails out, btw |
| 22:24.38 | Primer | Semlar: seems like you're carrying a few people |
| 22:24.38 | Esamynn|work | we've been nerfed for that before |
| 22:24.56 | tz | ala DXE or whatever |
| 22:25.03 | Semlar | avr |
| 22:25.07 | tz | that'st he one |
| 22:25.12 | Semlar | psh i carry everyone primer |
| 22:25.22 | Primer | that SP, for example |
| 22:25.29 | Primer | he's terrible |
| 22:25.49 | Gnarfoz | tz: I think you're thinking of AVR-E |
| 22:25.54 | Gnarfoz | not DXE |
| 22:26.04 | tz | indeed |
| 22:27.07 | tz | AVR still couldn't help some of the special people I raided with back in WotLK :( |
| 22:27.25 | nebula169 | penises and boobs everywhere! |
| 22:27.31 | nebula169 | how could that not better your raid |
| 22:27.42 | Esamynn|work | ~lart nebula169 |
| 22:27.42 | purl | hereby declares nebula169 a troll |
| 22:27.44 | tz | "Fuck you XXX" as people entered the instance |
| 22:27.56 | Esamynn|work | ~botsnack |
| 22:27.56 | purl | Esamynn|work: :) |
| 22:28.49 | Semlar | yeah it's too bad you can't draw giant virtual penises in 3d space any more |
| 22:29.00 | Neffi | :( |
| 22:29.16 | Dagmar | I'm thinking you might be able to do it if you assume the floor is flat. |
| 22:29.33 | Dagmar | ...and that no one's jumping up and down like a spaz. |
| 22:29.34 | Semlar | not without the camera angle |
| 22:29.38 | Dagmar | Yeah. |
| 22:29.55 | Dagmar | Touch the camera angle and the Warden can have your balls in a vice |
| 22:30.04 | Dagmar | Don't touch camera angle and broadcast spam required |
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| 22:30.54 | Unkle | It will stand up in front of you in mirror shades and say "What we have here is ... failure ... to communicate." |
| 22:31.13 | Gnarfoz | Warden lulz |
| 22:31.26 | Semlar | i'm hungry |
| 22:31.35 | Neffi | ~semlarsnack |
| 22:32.01 | Semlar | explodes |
| 22:32.03 | Dagmar | Hey if someone polls the camera angle value five times a second that's likely to be a pretty strong indicator of something abnormal going on |
| 22:32.22 | Gnarfoz | there is no polling the camera angle |
| 22:32.34 | Dagmar | Even better then |
| 22:32.37 | Gnarfoz | he was thinking of calculating it |
| 22:32.41 | Gnarfoz | (since it's not available anymore) |
| 22:34.11 | Dagmar | I think the moment someone jumps or stands on a squirrel or something it's no longer going to be accurate |
| 22:34.32 | nebula169 | that was always the case, though, pretty sure avr had that problem |
| 22:34.38 | Neffi | Write it as a library the redefines the old API call, load up AVR with it, and see how accurate it is |
| 22:35.01 | Semlar | if the player jumps the "ground" will move with them |
| 22:35.22 | Dagmar | I can think of no way to get the z-coordinate other than by assumption |
| 22:35.31 | nebula169 | ah yes, i suppose that's a bit different from other people jumping |
| 22:36.01 | Dagmar | I've been sitting here holding a piece of paper in front of me with two pennies and a nickel and drawing lines on everything. |
| 22:36.07 | Semlar | stop that |
| 22:36.11 | Dagmar | Heh |
| 22:36.23 | Dagmar | Hey I like geometry |
| 22:36.42 | Neffi | strange |
| 22:37.05 | Semlar | the camera rotates about a horizon across the middle of the screen, assuming it doesn't run into something |
| 22:37.06 | Dagmar | No doing it in my head is strange |
| 22:38.46 | tz | AVR had issues when camera collisions happened anyways, so it's not like it'd be all that different |
| 22:39.06 | Dagmar | THat would be two columns around a central point which intersect perpendicular to one plane, and an arbitrary angle intersection with another plane, but with a known relationship in relative distance available in hte other plane (the camera angle) |
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| 22:39.29 | Dagmar | One more coordinate needed to not make assumptions about the perpendicularness of the ground plane intersection |
| 22:39.56 | tz | meanwhile I'm currently working out how to flatten out a cylinder with oversized+intersecting faces for work |
| 22:40.10 | tz | wow camera is far more interesting |
| 22:40.15 | Neffi | lol |
| 22:40.24 | nebula169 | frustrums are more interesting than cylinders |
| 22:40.25 | Dagmar | It's the addition of fire, screaming, and loot. |
| 22:40.37 | tz | something like that |
| 22:40.57 | tz | although I get loot from work too, so that isn't really a pro for wow |
| 22:41.16 | tz | plus work-sanctioned trips to vegas |
| 22:41.53 | Neffi | hey you should hire me |
| 22:42.24 | tz | we're not hiring at my office atm :P |
| 22:42.40 | Neffi | but I want a trip to vegas :( |
| 22:42.54 | tz | in fact, quite the opposite... we bought one of our competitors so HR has been letting people go whose roles overlap |
| 22:43.15 | tz | unemployment inc. |
| 22:43.38 | Torhal | wonders if Neffi and Semlar overlap. |
| 22:43.56 | Semlar | we are one in both mind and body |
| 22:44.05 | Neffi | possibly |
| 22:44.30 | Semlar | sometimes i'm not even one of mind and body |
| 22:44.36 | tz | it would've been a lot more believable if you finished off the others' sentence |
| 22:45.37 | Neffi | There's the Neflar-Semmi exclusion principle to take into account |
| 22:45.55 | Torhal | He said Semmi. |
| 22:45.59 | Neffi | We can know our degree of overlap only if we simultaneously have no idea wtf is going on |
| 22:46.27 | Semlar | well that should be easy because i never know what's going on |
| 22:46.36 | nebula169 | semlar's cat neffi? |
| 22:46.43 | Neffi | i dunno lol |
| 22:46.54 | Torhal | Perhaps you could change all of the POI dots on your maps to nameplates, Semlar. |
| 22:47.10 | Torhal | Scrollable, as well. |
| 22:47.43 | Semlar | i actually had an idea to put the health of players next to their dot on the minimap |
| 22:52.46 | tz | was that nameplate arrow addon available or is it just a PoC/homegrown thing atm? |
| 22:52.47 | Semlar | wait a minute can you actually scroll a list of secure frames because that's genius |
| 22:54.28 | Semlar | yeah there's a mousewheel template |
| 22:54.32 | Semlar | interesting |
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| 23:10.40 | kd3|hate`net | something something "leader in lazy Bash scripting" |
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| 23:12.39 | TC-Work | Yes, I was just amusing myself with that |
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