| 00:04.16 | Kraps | wow its already playable with less than a quarter GB downloaded |
| 00:08.24 | Neffi | Not well |
| 00:08.39 | Neffi | You ought to let it hit optimal first |
| 00:09.57 | TC-Work | punches optimal in the face |
| 00:10.11 | Neffi | Now you can play |
| 00:17.03 | Jamash | If you didn't get weaker as you leveled into an xpac then how could you get stronger again at max level? |
| 00:17.16 | Jamash | it's one of those things that's nonsensical, except it makes sense |
| 00:18.15 | Jamash | the alternative would be to get more powerful, but have monsters take more than 100% crit chance to crit or something idiotic |
| 00:18.31 | Jamash | monsterisilience |
| 00:18.34 | Jamash | *re |
| 00:18.39 | Neffi | that sounds terrible |
| 00:20.44 | Jamash | there you go |
| 00:20.49 | Jamash | and that's why you get weaker when you level |
| 00:21.06 | Jamash | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/11538313731?page=3#48 I wish I could upvote blizzard posts |
| 00:22.06 | Kraps | whats the best class |
| 00:22.15 | Kraps | (i'm kidding) |
| 00:22.48 | Jamash | I just tried the latest build of Planetary Annihilation and it has interplanetary teleporters |
| 00:23.13 | Jamash | the first time my commander stepped through one the stargate SG1 theme started playing in my head |
| 00:23.17 | Kraps | oh you can be a non-panda monk |
| 00:23.26 | Jamash | yes kraps |
| 00:23.26 | Kraps | hmm |
| 00:24.51 | Kraps | i think i'll do that then |
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| 00:27.28 | Neffi | Kraps: Too many monks already |
| 00:27.37 | Neffi | They're the new DK |
| 00:27.43 | Kraps | gosh these faces are atrocious |
| 00:28.17 | Kraps | i dont have a monk yet so boo |
| 00:29.43 | Kraps | meh |
| 00:30.09 | Neffi | Go ahead and roll a monk, but my policy is the same as when DKs came out |
| 00:30.12 | Esamynn|work | Kraps: Druid |
| 00:30.15 | Neffi | I kill all enemy monks I see |
| 00:30.29 | Neffi | Yeah, ferals are crazy good/fun right now |
| 00:30.53 | Kraps | but i want to be a human! |
| 00:31.01 | Mr_Rabies | i've seen hardly any other monks leveling my monk |
| 00:31.03 | Esamynn|work | Flight Form... nuff said |
| 00:31.10 | Kraps | lol |
| 00:31.10 | Mr_Rabies | be a worgen then, kraps |
| 00:31.17 | Kraps | pff |
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| 00:32.02 | Kraps | i really just want to play a low level disc priest /sigh |
| 00:32.54 | Mr_Rabies | feral is an absolute ton of fun, and WW monk is like feral but better designed |
| 00:32.56 | Kraps | even though i have a lvl 85 one already |
| 00:33.22 | Neffi | Ferals are in a great spot for PvP right now |
| 00:33.36 | Neffi | Especially if you prefer RBGs |
| 00:33.51 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but pvp is a hotbed of terrible people so i mostly avoid it |
| 00:34.17 | Mr_Rabies | rbgs are nice but there's no organized pvp on my realm for the most part, just a few arena teams |
| 00:34.20 | Neffi | All the better |
| 00:34.40 | Neffi | Those terrible people enrage you, that rage kicks up your adrenaline and makes you want to kill them, and you can |
| 00:34.58 | Mr_Rabies | the only thing worse than wow's pvp community is the dota community |
| 00:35.05 | Esamynn|work | PvP is far from unique in being a hotbed for terrible ppl |
| 00:35.54 | Neffi | God, it's obvious Silithus hasn't gotten a modern overhaul yet |
| 00:36.01 | Mr_Rabies | or rather MOBA communities |
| 00:36.11 | Neffi | 15 kills before I got a single item I need for a quest that calls for 10 of them |
| 00:36.19 | Neffi | So vanilla |
| 00:36.27 | Esamynn|work | lol |
| 00:36.42 | Esamynn|work | did they touch Silithus at all in cata? |
| 00:36.47 | Neffi | Not at all |
| 00:36.52 | Esamynn|work | didn't think so |
| 00:36.57 | Esamynn|work | one of the few |
| 00:37.15 | Neffi | At least not that I see. It looks like it always has. Even the old shitty PvP objects are there. Quests are exactly the same. Nothing's changed. |
| 00:37.43 | Neffi | I figured leveling here would kick up some nostalgia. It did, just not of the good stuff |
| 00:38.01 | Esamynn|work | have you never played in Silithus before? |
| 00:38.01 | Mr_Rabies | they barely touched it |
| 00:38.07 | Neffi | (tenth mob I've seen spawn underground. even its bugs are vanilla) |
| 00:38.17 | Mr_Rabies | for example, they removed the questline that involves the twilight texts |
| 00:38.21 | Esamynn|work | Silithus has always... ALWAYS been a horrible place |
| 00:38.34 | Mr_Rabies | it was such a nightmare in vanilla |
| 00:38.39 | Neffi | Esamynn|work: Last time I touched Silithus was .. god, when did they add the PvP objectives to it? 1.8? |
| 00:38.41 | Mr_Rabies | everything there has a snare or root or stun |
| 00:38.47 | Mr_Rabies | it's kinda like upper timeless isle |
| 00:39.12 | Esamynn|work | yah, but at least that has some worth :P |
| 00:39.40 | Gethe | i thought they added a quest to guide you to Blasted Lands... |
| 00:39.50 | Esamynn|work | Neffi: whenever it was I was raiding AQ40 as current content |
| 00:40.14 | Kraps | what if i played as disc/holy |
| 00:40.29 | Esamynn|work | I was farming pets out of there the last few weeks... god that place is huge |
| 00:40.49 | Neffi | Ugh |
| 00:41.00 | Esamynn|work | as far as distance traveled from the entrance to the final boss, I think it's the biggest they've ever made |
| 00:41.09 | Neffi | There's one single asshole that I think doesn't own BC yet, so he's in like the best level 60 gear he could farm up himself camping everyone |
| 00:41.32 | Esamynn|work | O_o |
| 00:41.44 | Esamynn|work | doesn't TBC come as part of the base game now? |
| 00:41.54 | Neffi | Does it? |
| 00:41.59 | Gethe | yes and wrath |
| 00:42.07 | Neffi | Because he's a level 60 in vanilla gear just running around Silithus |
| 00:42.19 | Neffi | Maybe an old character that he just hopped back on for shits and giggles |
| 00:44.20 | Gethe | actually it includes up to cata |
| 00:45.10 | Neffi | yeah I guess he's just fucking around on an old char: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/maelstrom/Topup/simple |
| 00:45.29 | Neffi | He's in AQ gear |
| 00:45.33 | Neffi | All vanilla stuff |
| 00:47.55 | Kraps | ok human monk incoming |
| 00:48.08 | Neffi | >_> |
| 00:48.21 | Kraps | how many chars can you have on a realm |
| 00:48.26 | Stanzilla | 11 |
| 00:48.27 | Neffi | 11 I believe |
| 00:48.47 | Kraps | oh yeah they added 1 after mists |
| 00:55.11 | Kraps | oh jab is an ability not auto-attack |
| 00:55.37 | Kraps | being a noob is p cool |
| 00:56.52 | Neffi | Monk scum |
| 00:56.59 | Neffi | I will find and destroy you |
| 00:58.20 | Kraps | i am save behind the walls of northshire |
| 00:59.48 | Dagmar | Try not to get eaten by any squirrels while you're back there |
| 01:01.20 | Jamash | when did they give all hunters a spell counter? |
| 01:04.58 | Amarande | Esamynn: actually, they yanked quite a lot of the quest content out of Silithus, it seems |
| 01:05.12 | Amarande | The achievement only takes 19 quests, and it seems to be a lot shorter of a zone than I remember it being |
| 01:05.49 | Amarande | I reckon they did that on purpose in order to make sure there's not enough content to properly level to 60 in Kalimdor, so they can make sure you get sent over to Blasted Lands so you're in the right place for Outland |
| 01:05.55 | Neffi | I think the chief reason you remember it as long is because the quests are tedious, the droprates low, and back in the day it was a big competition for kills |
| 01:06.24 | Amarande | Interestingly, it's NOT the lowest number of quests for a zone achievement. That is actually Arathi Highlands Alliance side, which requires just 18. |
| 01:07.28 | Amarande | If anything, it almost sometimes seems like they're throwing Kalimdor as a whole under the bus |
| 01:07.45 | Amarande | at least, when comparing the 1-60 content between there and EK |
| 01:08.33 | Amarande | and things like the very strangely introduced bug in 5.1 that prevents Alliance from properly progressing the quest chain from Ashenvale to Stonetalon unless they have a friend with a two-seater flyer or are level *60* |
| 01:08.41 | Jamash | man for how long were hunters the only dps without a baseline interrupt |
| 01:09.01 | Neffi | Wait |
| 01:09.08 | Neffi | Every other DPS has a baseline interrupt? |
| 01:09.18 | Jamash | who doesn't have one? |
| 01:09.27 | Neffi | I'm trying to think |
| 01:10.36 | Amarande | hm, I can't remember what shadow priests have |
| 01:10.44 | Jamash | silence? |
| 01:10.46 | Stanzilla | 02:01:20 ∙ Jamash: when did they give all hunters a spell counter? < 5.3 I think |
| 01:11.10 | Neffi | Oh yes every class does have a baseline interrupt, if you consider Spell Lock baseline (requires a specific pet to be out) |
| 01:11.28 | Amarande | I know DKs and warriors have interrupts, the thing that irritates people about those classes sometimes is they don't have *CC* ... |
| 01:11.28 | Jamash | yeah |
| 01:11.39 | Jamash | but until 5.4 hunters were the only goddamn one |
| 01:11.43 | Stanzilla | Neffi: every class but not every spec |
| 01:11.53 | Jamash | at least in mists silencing shot was available via mandatory talent |
| 01:12.00 | Jamash | but now it's baseline thankfully |
| 01:12.10 | Amarande | probably *because* it was a mandatory talent |
| 01:12.20 | Amarande | blizz seems to be trying to avoid those, that's why they pared down the whole thing in the first place |
| 01:12.42 | Jamash | before the talent revamp it was I think an 11 point MM |
| 01:13.40 | Amarande | hey, MM had to have *something* to recommend it |
| 01:13.47 | Amarande | I seem to remember that being the black sheep spec in Cata :S |
| 01:14.20 | Neffi | Stanzilla: Yeah, I meant every DPS |
| 01:14.22 | Amarande | Survival was getting awesome, and BM, well, I get the feeling Blizzard possibly wanted to actively push BM, given all the work they put into adding all those extra interesting pets throughout Azeroth for Cata in particular |
| 01:14.58 | Amarande | Ghostcrawler would be sad if he got put in in an expansion where nobody cared about BM, after all ... LOL |
| 01:15.56 | Jamash | I've been pissed for years about not having a baseline interrupt, now that I have it I'm like... damn, they finally fixed hunters. |
| 01:16.20 | Neffi | I'm sure he'd say the same about just about every other spec Amarande |
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| 01:16.41 | Neffi | The problem with quoting developers is that little quips don't reveal anything useful and are often misleading |
| 01:17.03 | Neffi | It's akin to the joke that if Obama says he likes Pepsi, Fox starts saying he's declared a war on Coke |
| 01:17.05 | Jamash | got rid of ammo, mana, pet feeding, super limited pet slots, first the dead zone and then minimum range... all the things I've bitched about since vanilla are gone |
| 01:17.13 | Jamash | praise blizzard |
| 01:17.18 | Jamash | it only takes them 9 years to fix a class |
| 01:17.33 | Amarande | Neffi: I mean, GC the dev would probably feel rather snubbed if they put him in the game (as they did in Cata) and then designed the expansion so that he became irrelevant (as would be the case if BM was the crap spec in Cata, because then most people would be ignoring spirit beasts altogether) :) |
| 01:17.39 | Neffi | I really enjoyed hunters in vanilla Jamash |
| 01:17.54 | Neffi | I actually prefered having the deadzone in there. Not just melee, but the real deadzone between 5-8. |
| 01:18.02 | Semlar | what's this about fixing hunters |
| 01:18.05 | Neffi | The class had weird complexities that made it appealing |
| 01:18.08 | Jamash | Neffi: get the fuck off my internet |
| 01:18.17 | Neffi | I refuse |
| 01:18.18 | Amarande | Neffi, did you like having to level 1-10 as basically a melee class? |
| 01:18.26 | Jamash | froths at the mouth |
| 01:18.33 | Jamash | don't get me started |
| 01:18.44 | Neffi | No, but quirks like that didn't justify removing the deadzone as a mechanic, which IMO bred better hunters |
| 01:18.56 | Amarande | Especially as blood elf that was "fun", especially as you got into the 7-9 range where you started to deal with murlocs and regularly forayed through and across the Dead Scar :P |
| 01:18.58 | Jamash | aight I'm out, I can't handle this |
| 01:19.14 | Jamash | back to battle pet farming |
| 01:19.47 | Neffi | smooches Semlar |
| 01:19.49 | Amarande | yay, murlocs. as a hunter. before you were allowed to get a pet. *dies* *dies again* *dies a few more times* |
| 01:20.18 | Semlar | murlocs? |
| 01:20.19 | Kraps | battle pets are account bound, i feel like i should have known that |
| 01:20.43 | Neffi | Amarande: hahaha |
| 01:20.51 | Neffi | That brought back some memories |
| 01:22.24 | Kraps | class trainers are pointless now except for respecing right |
| 01:22.31 | Neffi | And learning dual spec, yes |
| 01:23.05 | Amarande | yeah class trainers in general seem to be going the way of the dodo in MMORPGs |
| 01:23.17 | Amarande | LOTRO got rid of the "visit the trainer to learn your new skills" notion too |
| 01:23.44 | Amarande | I'm surprised SW:TOR still has it (probably so they can regulate what level/price you get skills at as as F2P/subscription differentiator) |
| 01:23.54 | Amarande | *as an |
| 01:24.11 | Neffi | You should stop playing bad games, Amarande |
| 01:24.13 | Corrodias | it's just another time-waster. having said that, i'm surprised they're streamlining it. or anything. it is an MMOG, after all. |
| 01:24.13 | Neffi | ;) |
| 01:24.28 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.33 | Amarande | although the class trainer is still a fair bit more notable in LOTRO than in WoW, since there are still class quests and the trainer sells some items, including a few important books |
| 01:24.46 | Neffi | oh god you enraged the gryphon Semlar |
| 01:24.50 | Amarande | it's also kinda surprising they'd do that in LOTRO, too |
| 01:24.53 | Semlar | it mad now |
| 01:24.55 | Neffi | Don't attack the flight master! |
| 01:25.00 | Neffi | he's too leet |
| 01:25.02 | Semlar | too late |
| 01:25.08 | Neffi | :O |
| 01:25.12 | Amarande | especially since they rolled out a pay-for-transit system alongside the normal transportation stuff |
| 01:25.17 | Semlar | look how happy my pet is |
| 01:25.25 | Neffi | lol @ different ranks of spells |
| 01:25.33 | Neffi | Glad they did away with that |
| 01:25.55 | Amarande | heh, yeah, SW:TOR still has spell ranks, too |
| 01:26.13 | Neffi | And the little happiness icon. awww |
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| 01:31.12 | kd3 | hey Ressy, has blizz provided an updated battlegroup breakdown since the connected realm thing got started? |
| 01:37.13 | Neffi | God the 50s really does suck hell |
| 01:37.46 | Neffi | You can repeat BRD over and over until your brain melts, or you can choose between Silithus and Blasted Lands. The worst two places to quest ever conceived. |
| 01:38.08 | alestane | Or there's Winterspring. |
| 01:38.29 | Neffi | Winterspring tapers off at now I believe |
| 01:39.02 | alestane | Burning Steppes, swamp of Sorrows and Un'Goro are all geared for early 50s or late 40s. |
| 01:39.14 | Neffi | I'm at 54 right now |
| 01:39.24 | Kraps | deserts are awful irl, why would they be any better in game :p |
| 01:39.36 | Neffi | I'm gonna hit Winterspring again, because green quests > Silithus or BRD |
| 01:39.39 | alestane | I think the high content in Winterspring goes up to 56-57 or so. |
| 01:40.00 | Kraps | what about desolace |
| 01:40.02 | Kraps | 40s? |
| 01:40.15 | Neffi | like 35 I think |
| 01:40.20 | kd3 | the level breakdowns of the old-world zones: http://wowpedia.org/Category:Zone_storylines |
| 01:40.25 | Neffi | 30-35 actually |
| 01:42.23 | Kraps | is outland getting remade for wod? |
| 01:42.36 | Kraps | permanently? |
| 01:42.37 | alestane | They dragged EPL down, that used to be a climax zone for vanilla. |
| 01:42.45 | kd3 | not afaik. the portal to outland's getting moved to the caverns of time |
| 01:42.56 | kd3 | but it'll still be the 60-70 area to my knowledge |
| 01:43.37 | Neffi | Isn't WoD taking place in a different time stream? |
| 01:43.46 | Neffi | Or in the past or some shit? |
| 01:43.47 | Kraps | the portals in Swamp of Sorrows and the other place will go to wod? |
| 01:44.03 | kd3 | yup. we're going to universe#2 draenor via the dark portal in blasted lands |
| 01:44.06 | Neffi | Would make sense to link the new WoD Outland from CoT, instead of moving the existing stuff to CoT |
| 01:44.12 | Kraps | ^ |
| 01:44.50 | kd3 | who says garrosh knew of the existence of the caverns of time and whether the bronze flight would allow such a thing? even with kairoz enabling garrosh's madness |
| 01:48.15 | Kraps | idgi but who care |
| 01:49.46 | kd3 | it kinda leaked out a bit early, but the only reason garrosh is able to get to alt!Draenor at all is because Kairoz did it for him. Kairoz wasn't gathering Epoch Stones on the Timeless Isle for altrusistic reasons... |
| 01:50.39 | Kraps | dunno who Kairoz is |
| 01:50.48 | Neffi | " |
| 01:50.48 | Neffi | During Blizzcon today, Tom Chilton accidentally let it slip that Kairoz is the one who helps Garrosh go back in time to Draenor. |
| 01:50.51 | Neffi | fucking Kalgan |
| 01:51.02 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Kairoz |
| 01:52.02 | Neffi | So he opens up a timey wimey thing and Garrosh escapes to an alternate timestream and we have to chase him into this timestream, and this is the plot of WoD? |
| 01:52.15 | kd3 | more or less |
| 01:52.21 | Kraps | ah havent been to Timeless Isle |
| 01:52.30 | Neffi | I'm gonna hit up Blizzard HQ for my drugs from now on |
| 01:52.38 | kd3 | if we don't chase him, the murder orcs are going to come pouring out of the dark portal and start doing the murder thing |
| 01:52.51 | kd3 | but instead of the first war, they have modern technology |
| 01:53.05 | Neffi | Modern technology? |
| 01:53.17 | kd3 | all of the stuff garrosh is using in the Siege of Orgrimmar |
| 01:53.34 | Neffi | Yeah I didnt do that |
| 01:56.44 | phelps | that actually sounds fun |
| 01:56.55 | phelps | I was looking at the dungeon guide, this xpac sucked |
| 01:57.08 | phelps | i think it was only 6 dungeons |
| 01:57.26 | phelps | the others had over double that |
| 02:00.51 | Dashkal | kd3: Thanks for the link. I suspected as much but it's nice to see the actual tie-in to the next xpac. |
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| 02:08.30 | Dashkal | Has it been revealed yet if the alternate timeline is a pure fork from when Garrosh is inserted? Or is this a pre-existing alternate? Curious about things like how the burning legion will react to the interference. |
| 02:10.18 | kd3 | no news on the burning legion. my understanding is that garrosh goes back in time 35 years and forks the timeline then and there |
| 02:10.44 | kd3 | this is before the orcs drink the blood of mannoroth |
| 02:11.04 | Semlar | he just forks it right in front of everyone? |
| 02:11.13 | Dashkal | *nods* But IIRC the BL was already messing with things before the actual drinking. |
| 02:11.37 | kd3 | they were messing around, sure. the draenei are already there, and the only reason they're there is because of the legion |
| 02:12.03 | Dashkal | This is what I'm curious about. I'm suspecting the BL will have a secondary role (much like the old gods in WoTLK) |
| 02:14.38 | Amarande | OTOH, it's not the last expansion, so I don't expect Sargeras to show up as a fight just yet |
| 02:15.00 | Dashkal | *nods* Of course. And this is why I compared it to Ulduar. |
| 02:15.06 | Dashkal | Ulduar was important, but not the primary for that expansion. |
| 02:15.31 | Amarande | (my speculation is still that Sargeras will be the very very very last raid battle ever, to be rolled out when Blizzard makes that fateful call some years hence that there will no longer be new PvE content forthcoming for WoW) |
| 02:15.35 | Dashkal | Killing Arthas only to have an old god return and wreak havoc wouldn't have been a good day :P |
| 02:23.36 | Neffi | Oh lord http://i.imgur.com/fwGr8wq.png |
| 02:23.43 | Neffi | hey Semlar ^ |
| 02:26.36 | Dagmar | Okay. That's -bad-. |
| 02:27.33 | Neffi | Or the best pick up line ever? |
| 02:29.00 | Dagmar | You better _hope_ the other person has played Pokemon |
| 02:33.19 | Semlar | no neffi |
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| 02:36.16 | Wobin | (why didn't anyone tell me about the Curse Premium ESO beta keys? =P) |
| 02:37.15 | Amarande | yuck, apparently it looks like the olympics are getting their water from felwood or something :| |
| 02:38.52 | Wobin | http://deadspin.com/staying-in-sochi-is-a-hilarious-adventure-1515722114 |
| 02:39.49 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/RMsL2wR.png jaja |
| 02:48.32 | Thunder_Child_ | Shirik: Congradulations, you made a broken skillshot |
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| 03:47.45 | Shirik | Thunder_Child_: but I did it in 3 dimensions! |
| 03:48.21 | Thunder_Child_ | Shirik: Hence broken. I don't think it should have worked on a 'flying' target. |
| 03:50.36 | Shirik | o |
| 03:50.58 | Shirik | for what it's worth I didn't know it worked like that :P |
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| 04:47.08 | jleclanche | ohhhh |
| 04:47.08 | jleclanche | https://www.humblebundle.com/ |
| 05:16.42 | Kraps | first quest of wod http://i.imgur.com/pHNbEZa.jpg |
| 05:19.16 | kd3 | ah, I remember that in /r/wow on blizzcon day 1. but that's a reasonable timeline representation to my knowledge |
| 05:21.01 | Fisker | hue hue cogwheel |
| 05:39.36 | Fisker | hemad :( |
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| 05:40.25 | cogwheel | je poke le fisker avec un poisson |
| 05:41.32 | Fisker | :( |
| 05:41.54 | Fisker | Why would you do that? |
| 05:45.33 | Fisker | damnit cogwheel you had one job |
| 05:47.30 | cogwheel | ergamherd |
| 05:48.08 | Fisker | so what do you want? |
| 05:49.11 | cogwheel | nuffin |
| 05:52.21 | Fisker | ok |
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| 09:15.27 | Primer | they really need to fix when you hit escape it's the same thing as hitting cancel to rez in a bg |
| 09:16.08 | Maldivia | what's there to fix? |
| 09:35.27 | Primer | making it so when you hit escape, it does NOT cancel your rez |
| 09:35.38 | Primer | because I find that I type a lot and hit escape from habit |
| 09:35.41 | Primer | only to cancel the rez |
| 09:36.55 | Maldivia | then just talk to the spirit healer, and you're back on track |
| 09:37.15 | Primer | say what? |
| 09:37.39 | Maldivia | talking to the spirit healer gets the res-dialog back |
| 09:38.03 | Primer | well that's just lovely! |
| 09:38.04 | Primer | thanks |
| 09:38.25 | Maldivia | you didn't know thaT? |
| 09:38.32 | Primer | obviously not |
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| 10:16.42 | karl_w_w | aw yeah, copyright infringement over irc is the best |
| 10:24.28 | jleclanche | is there a unicode character that represents a connection? such as an "online status" |
| 10:24.38 | jleclanche | i want to represent "Connected through ssh" in a single character |
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| 11:29.44 | zenzio | out of curiosity, where do you plan to display that? |
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| 12:32.56 | jleclanche | zenzio: within my terminal |
| 12:34.16 | jleclanche | when im connected to a remote host through ssh |
| 12:34.28 | jleclanche | i could just display "(ssh)" or something but that conflicts with virtualenv |
| 12:38.24 | zenzio | so it's basically to easily see which terminals are local, and which are remote? I could see the use for that... let me know if you find an appropriate character :) |
| 12:44.57 | karl_w_w | how about ☼ |
| 12:45.17 | karl_w_w | hmm, looks pointless at small font sizes |
| 12:45.50 | karl_w_w | so just use ↔ :P |
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| 13:15.18 | VIad | what is this sorcery! |
| 13:15.32 | VIad | look |
| 13:15.35 | VIad | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/astrolabe/files/ |
| 13:15.43 | VIad | latest Astrolabe is r147 from 2012 |
| 13:15.50 | VIad | BUT TomTom bundles with one saying it's r160! |
| 13:16.00 | VIad | whyyyyy |
| 13:16.35 | nevcairiel | probably from the repository directly |
| 13:17.14 | VIad | but but |
| 13:17.21 | VIad | there are so many changes |
| 13:17.28 | VIad | and most other addons use the download version that is r147 |
| 13:17.33 | VIad | the r160 has a lot of fixing done to it |
| 13:17.39 | VIad | compared both versions |
| 13:27.24 | Stanzilla | ask Esamynn|work |
| 13:27.26 | Stanzilla | he's here :D |
| 13:28.48 | VIad | Esamynn|work: ! |
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| 14:01.47 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: nah not descriptive enough |
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| 14:32.06 | zenzio | http://www.scarfboy.com/coding/unicode-tool?s=arrow has some reasonable alternatives |
| 14:32.58 | jleclanche | good one |
| 14:33.54 | jleclanche | ⇄ |
| 14:33.57 | jleclanche | i like this one |
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| 14:39.27 | zenzio | how will you get it to use that one for SSH and not local though? Some kind of environment trick, or is there a better way? |
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| 14:41.15 | jleclanche | zenzio: https://github.com/Adys/dotfiles/commit/1ba5adc6e44d2a13b422d9452490a332cb2be5a7 |
| 14:41.19 | jleclanche | $SSH_CLIENT :) |
| 14:41.29 | zenzio | nice, thanks :) |
| 14:42.36 | jleclanche | zenzio: https://mediacru.sh/F1PQKiKP8wcw |
| 14:43.21 | zenzio | I wish I'd thought of this before |
| 14:45.12 | jleclanche | yeah this will be useful |
| 14:45.22 | jleclanche | especially since i tend to use the same zshrc in all my machines and such |
| 14:45.26 | jleclanche | this should help |
| 14:47.51 | Maldivia | jleclanche: what about a cloud ☁ :) |
| 14:48.15 | jleclanche | that looks like a blob |
| 14:49.12 | Maldivia | guess your terminal font doesn't render it well then :) |
| 14:52.24 | jleclanche | liberation |
| 14:52.55 | nevcairiel | i think the arrows look better in a terminal font anyway |
| 14:53.12 | nevcairiel | i mean, clouds are kinda like blobs in the first place |
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| 15:10.06 | Workfoz | I guess you don't want a statusline like this https://github.com/Lokaltog/powerline ? |
| 15:41.08 | Kraps | when did pastebin become awful |
| 15:41.25 | Kraps | and can anyone link to an alternative |
| 15:43.41 | Phelps | gist.github.com |
| 15:43.59 | Phelps | hastebin.com |
| 15:44.55 | Phelps | codepad.org |
| 15:45.07 | Phelps | you can actually run code on codepad.org |
| 15:49.47 | Esamynn|work | VIad: your rang? |
| 15:50.06 | VIad | yes! |
| 15:50.19 | VIad | Astrolabe is r147 but TomTom uses r160 from your repo |
| 15:50.32 | VIad | why not package the latest revision for distribution? |
| 15:50.58 | Esamynn|work | trunk of the repo is always the current stable... I'm... not prompt about posting new revisions anywhere else |
| 15:51.02 | VIad | noticed that 5 of my addons use it, 4 use the old one, TomTom uses the newest |
| 15:51.09 | VIad | yes but you can package it |
| 15:51.17 | VIad | so people download the latest from zip :D |
| 15:51.28 | VIad | thats what I did before |
| 15:51.43 | Esamynn|work | only because Curseforge was bugging me to post SOMETHING! |
| 15:51.49 | VIad | :o |
| 15:51.54 | Esamynn|work | but since you asked so nicely ;) |
| 15:52.13 | mikma | Do it. |
| 15:52.49 | Esamynn|work | ~lart mikma |
| 15:52.49 | purl | pours hot grits down the front of mikma's pants |
| 15:55.42 | VIad | Esamynn|work: you are doing all of us a favor |
| 15:55.46 | VIad | many think your zip is latest |
| 15:55.49 | VIad | :) |
| 15:55.53 | VIad | I did too until today |
| 15:56.01 | VIad | was worried you had abandoned the project |
| 15:56.03 | mikma | esamynn|work only zips for you |
| 15:56.07 | mikma | lol lol lol |
| 15:56.11 | VIad | I can unzip it myself |
| 15:56.36 | Esamynn|work | alright, alright you've made your point |
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| 15:56.55 | Esamynn|work | I'm just putting together a new zip, but I had to fine a copy of svn on my work machine ;) |
| 15:57.18 | VIad | Esamynn|work: what tools do you use to generate the map data? |
| 15:57.47 | Esamynn|work | my own |
| 15:57.53 | VIad | yeah but |
| 15:57.54 | VIad | python? |
| 15:58.01 | Esamynn|work | no no, all in game |
| 15:58.18 | VIad | WorldMapSize |
| 15:58.20 | VIad | contains raw data |
| 15:58.36 | Esamynn|work | yah, but my tools are pure WoW addons |
| 15:58.38 | VIad | some is hardcoded |
| 15:58.46 | VIad | before astrolabe had raw data |
| 15:58.50 | VIad | if I remember correctly |
| 15:58.54 | VIad | from the dbc I think |
| 15:59.00 | Esamynn|work | no, never from the dbc |
| 15:59.06 | Esamynn|work | always generated from leg work in game |
| 15:59.17 | Esamynn|work | and the last hardcoded data will go for the WoW 6.0 version |
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| 16:00.07 | VIad | hmm |
| 16:00.14 | VIad | hope we get beta invites like cata |
| 16:00.21 | VIad | I think mop didn't give us beta invites |
| 16:00.30 | VIad | at least I can't remember getting one until really late :P |
| 16:00.55 | VIad | gets a little rushy to update 20 addons if we get in two weeks before launch |
| 16:01.07 | Esamynn|work | only reason I haven't removed the last of the hard coded data already is because I haven't found the time |
| 16:01.43 | Amarande | VIad: nothing you can consolidate into libraries so you only have to update one thing? |
| 16:02.07 | VIad | if you reference my 20 addons comment, I meant 20 different addons doing various things |
| 16:02.22 | Amarande | That's what we really need ... one giant reference Library_of_Stuff_Blizzard_Usually_Breaks_During_Xpack_Patches which is centrally maintained, and then all the addons reference that instead! LOL |
| 16:02.55 | VIad | imagine how quick we can bugfix it |
| 16:03.04 | Amarande | heh |
| 16:03.08 | Amarande | the devil's always in the details :( |
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| 16:05.48 | VIad | I agree |
| 16:06.38 | nevcairiel | mop beta invited like a million players, they didnt do any special invites |
| 16:06.42 | nevcairiel | it was really a mess |
| 16:06.52 | Amarande | also |
| 16:06.56 | nevcairiel | at first at least, if you waited until later it was fine |
| 16:06.56 | Amarande | they really need to get back to shrinking the betas |
| 16:07.39 | Amarande | I would be very surprised if the rather stunted raid rollout schedules we've had in recent expansions weren't partially influenced by these huge betas :| |
| 16:08.45 | Amarande | too many people are allowed to experience the content before it's even bloody out |
| 16:08.59 | Amarande | so then they burn through it correspondingly faster when the expansion actually hits, I'm sure |
| 16:09.15 | Amarande | and then Blizzard has to burn through the expansion's raid content probably a lot quicker than they otherwise might :S |
| 16:09.41 | Dagmar | Easy solution: Require validated bug reports to stay in beta |
| 16:09.55 | Amarande | *mass outcry* "Mom ... er, Blizz ... there's nothing to do!" So we get new content patches faster |
| 16:10.08 | Amarande | Then they get to DS/SoO/etc. and ... *mass outcry* "Mom ... er, Blizz ... there's nothing to do!" |
| 16:11.27 | amro | Dagmar: how does that work? not finding bugs doesn't mean you're not looking for them |
| 16:12.08 | Ackis | http://www.ipetcompanion.net/client/humane-society-dallas-texas Torhal, Cairenn! PLAY WITH KITTIES OVER THE INTERNETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D |
| 16:12.21 | Amarande | amro: not to mention how many things people get super irritated about and try to *insist* are bugs but sadly we know they're working as intended :) |
| 16:13.53 | Dagmar | You'd only need to get one |
| 16:14.16 | Dagmar | Hell, just _threatening_ that would probably put a chill on the vast number of people who simply view "beta" as being "early access" |
| 16:15.53 | mikma | ackis: http://imgur.com/gallery/xBrHq |
| 16:16.14 | Ackis | mikma: twerkin kitties! |
| 16:18.37 | Esamynn|work | VIad: file just waiting on approval now |
| 16:18.58 | VIad | <3 |
| 16:19.16 | Esamynn|work | VIad: but please be aware that the curseforge page exists solely for the purpose of collecting curse points |
| 16:19.36 | Esamynn|work | only the repo is considered official |
| 16:19.49 | VIad | you deserve curse points |
| 16:21.07 | Torhal | points a lengthy curse at Esamynn|work. |
| 16:21.11 | Torhal | Approved. |
| 16:21.32 | Esamynn|work | thanks Torhal |
| 16:21.36 | Esamynn|work | I think |
| 16:21.42 | Torhal | :D |
| 16:23.16 | Esamynn|work | VIad: what addon(s) are you using Astrolabe in btw? |
| 16:23.37 | Esamynn|work | (just because I'm curious) |
| 16:26.09 | Esamynn|work | Torhal: have you guys ever fixed the feature to let me see who is referencing Astrolabe as a dependency? |
| 16:26.24 | nevcairiel | you wish |
| 16:26.35 | Torhal | Esamynn|work: Unfortunately, no. I gave up asking a couple of years back. |
| 16:26.39 | Esamynn|work | I do... |
| 16:26.41 | Esamynn|work | for years now |
| 16:26.51 | Esamynn|work | many years |
| 16:27.13 | Esamynn|work | seems I can't even check if a reference has been setup by going to each AddOn's page anymore either :( |
| 16:27.14 | Torhal | It's something I'll actively fight for when we get around to rewriting wow.curseforge.com though |
| 16:27.24 | Esamynn|work | curseforge doesn't seem to make references public anymore |
| 16:27.25 | Esamynn|work | wtf |
| 16:28.48 | Esamynn|work | I could have sworn relationships used to at least be mentioned on individual upload pages.... but http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/gatherer/files/38-4-4-0/ |
| 16:28.51 | Esamynn|work | nothing |
| 16:28.54 | Esamynn|work | or am I just blind |
| 16:29.56 | Torhal | Esamynn|work: They never were, but you can see them if you do File management->Edit relationships |
| 16:30.13 | Esamynn|work | are you sure? I swear they used to be public information |
| 16:30.22 | Torhal | Not reverse-relationships, though. |
| 16:30.30 | Torhal | On the front page of the project |
| 16:30.55 | Esamynn|work | ahh there |
| 16:31.38 | Esamynn|work | I failed to scroll/search on that page |
| 16:32.25 | VIad | Esamynn|work: hmm, my candy bucket addons use it because it's a mess trying to add icons on the map to show on the parent zone maps too :P |
| 16:33.08 | VIad | Esamynn|work: http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/candy-buckets |
| 16:33.40 | nevcairiel | isnt there a handynotes plugin for the candy buckets already |
| 16:34.25 | nevcairiel | ah yes there is |
| 16:35.24 | Esamynn|work | Torhal: dumb question... where did the points log go? |
| 16:38.32 | VIad | nevcairiel: shrug, but my addon is smarter! :( |
| 16:38.43 | VIad | also I wanted to write my own map handler, minus astrolabe ofc :p |
| 16:38.59 | nevcairiel | you didnt write much map handling if you use astrolabe :P |
| 16:39.14 | VIad | didn't use all of astrolabes features |
| 16:39.36 | VIad | I only use it to TranslateWorldMapPosition |
| 16:39.47 | VIad | I still handle the rest, adding icons, e.g. |
| 16:41.18 | VIad | don't make fun of me :( |
| 16:41.23 | VIad | I try really hard |
| 16:45.22 | Amarande | dammit, astrolabes always make me think of the first Icewind Dale now |
| 16:45.35 | Amarande | and that crazy undead elf who was always going "Astrolabe ... twirls ... swirls!" or something like that |
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| 16:46.11 | Ackis | Torhal: Ressy says to get your ass in gear and make me a sammich |
| 17:03.01 | karl_w_w | cruel things to do: burn all of clannad onto a dvd for somebody, except for episode 22 of after story |
| 17:03.19 | amro | cruel things to do: burn a dvd |
| 17:03.31 | Dagmar | Evangelion would be more cruel. |
| 17:03.50 | karl_w_w | what's wrong with DVDs |
| 17:04.03 | Dagmar | All that time spent and then when they did find the last episode... instant fury. |
| 17:04.03 | amro | I don't have a dvd drive or a dvd player |
| 17:04.11 | Dagmar | amro: How do you live? |
| 17:04.16 | amro | it's like giving people floppies |
| 17:04.30 | Dagmar | Yes, but no one distributes operating systems on floppy disks anymore. |
| 17:04.35 | karl_w_w | they wouldnt know with clannad Dagmar |
| 17:04.37 | amro | nor DVDs |
| 17:04.43 | karl_w_w | ep 21 could easily be the last one |
| 17:04.46 | amro | I can't remember the last time I booted from a physical medium |
| 17:05.01 | Dagmar | Does clannad end with a bunch of recycled concept photos and some emo bint rambling nigh-incoherently? |
| 17:05.08 | Neffi | A USB key isn't a physical medium? |
| 17:05.15 | karl_w_w | nah |
| 17:05.18 | Neffi | Gives new meaning to ghost in the machine |
| 17:05.19 | Dagmar | Right then. |
| 17:05.25 | amro | Neffi: it is, but network boot isn't |
| 17:05.25 | karl_w_w | you should watch it though Dagmar |
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| 17:06.58 | Dagmar | Having just looked on WP I'll take that under advisement |
| 17:08.57 | karl_w_w | well really, I don't think there's a person on the planet that shouldnt watch it |
| 17:09.34 | Dagmar | I can think of a few people. Largely the type that want everything prefixed with a trigger warning of some kind. |
| 17:09.43 | Dagmar | "trigger warning: japanese kids" |
| 17:11.52 | karl_w_w | the english dub is not bad at all so even subtitle haters can watch it |
| 17:14.39 | Torhal | Esamynn|work: https://store.curseforge.com/store |
| 17:15.34 | Torhal | Ackis: Tell Ressy I don't make sandwiches. |
| 17:16.19 | Ackis | Ressy: Torhal says that you should make me the sammich |
| 17:16.43 | Torhal | waits for Ressy to backhand Ackis. |
| 17:16.55 | Ackis | Ressy: Torhal wants you to backhand him. |
| 17:18.21 | Kraps | wow what is it with this SA thread and hating flying mounts |
| 17:19.20 | Ackis | link? |
| 17:20.29 | Ressy | backhands Ackis & Torhal |
| 17:20.39 | Kraps | multipage discussion in the middle of the wod thread http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3583397&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=38 |
| 17:20.50 | Torhal | unfollows Ressy on Twitter. |
| 17:20.55 | Torhal | Oh, shit...I don't have Twitter. |
| 17:21.31 | Kraps | i'll hear arguments for no flying while leveling dut removing it totally is a bizarre thing to want |
| 17:22.12 | nebula169 | i'd be fine with removing it, would make gathering a bitch, though |
| 17:25.47 | Neffi | Removing it would promote greater exploration, more world PvP confrontation, and force the players to engage the dangers of the world |
| 17:26.20 | Neffi | But the game has been crafted around flying. It's part of the paradigm. Removing it after the fact is not right. Never implementing it in the first place makes sense though |
| 17:27.10 | Neffi | I liked the idea of flying when it was announced, but looking back I probably would opt to never introduce flying to an MMO |
| 17:27.44 | Amarande | yeah, LOTRO doesn't have flying, and ironically enough, neither does SW:TOR in any practical sense |
| 17:27.57 | Amarande | despite the rather high-tech nature of Star Wars |
| 17:28.23 | Neffi | What game was it that had gliding, and raised platforms where you could get a speed boost so you could glide long distances? |
| 17:28.31 | nebula169 | aion? |
| 17:28.31 | Amarande | speeders do visually float a little above the ground, but that's basically just a cosmetic matter, much like ground-gliding on the roflcopter in WoW |
| 17:28.49 | Neffi | Aion? I thought that was a good compromise. Gives an interesting mobility paradigm, without the downsides of being able to avoid the danger and exploration aspect |
| 17:29.06 | Amarande | mind you, I DO regularly find myself wishing LOTRO DID have flying, but ... heh, ah well, that's what mithril coins are for |
| 17:29.16 | Neffi | I would think it would also reward clever use of your environment in PvP confrontations |
| 17:29.24 | Amarande | and MCs aren't that bad on the wallet as long as you buy points when they're on sale and then buy the MCs while they're on sale (and in bulk) |
| 17:30.02 | Amarande | *however* LOTRO also has a critical feature that I think WoW would most definitely need to implement if it were to go sans flying again |
| 17:30.13 | Amarande | if they didn't want to *really* drive people crazy :) |
| 17:30.19 | Neffi | WoW will never go sans flying again. That's just stupid to expect |
| 17:30.43 | Amarande | (namely: in LOTRO, non-instance grey mobs do not aggro at all unless attacked, no matter how close you get to them) |
| 17:31.06 | Neffi | That wasn't an issue in vanilla. Why is it a must now? |
| 17:31.12 | Neffi | I don't agree with it. Too gamey |
| 17:31.35 | Neffi | It takes a lot of the authentic feeling out of the world, that should be the hallmark of an RPG |
| 17:31.49 | Amarande | Neffi: because people are used these days to being able to zip past gnats without having to stop to fight them |
| 17:31.53 | nebula169 | i mean, grey mobs in wow typically don't hit for shit and you need to run over them to aggro anyway |
| 17:32.37 | Neffi | Amarande: That's an issue with what the paradigm has become, which is why it can't go back, because people expect a non-sane design |
| 17:32.38 | Neffi | But a game made from scratch in my eyes should not implement that |
| 17:35.25 | nevcairiel | Yeah I don't think its too much to ask for people to try to navigate around mobs if they don't want aggro. Its not like you need to go out of your way to pass, you just need to not run through them directly |
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| 17:46.03 | Kraps | for addons is it enough to log out or do you have to exit? |
| 17:48.00 | Neffi | Installing? Exit |
| 17:48.17 | Neffi | If any new file has been added you must exit. Be it a script file, texture, or otherwise |
| 17:48.21 | nebula169 | if files are added/removed you need to exit all the way out |
| 17:48.33 | Neffi | If they are removed, it's sufficient to reload |
| 17:48.39 | Amarande | hm, would it be too much to suggest to blizz that this should be changed so /console reloadui is always good enough? |
| 17:48.54 | Neffi | No, because then you could import data into the client |
| 17:49.28 | Neffi | Well technically you can do that anyway with a static file. |
| 17:49.44 | Amarande | Neffi: you could argue then that variables shouldn't be saved on logout or reloadui, either, but should require a full exit, so as to prohibit too easily exporting data from the client |
| 17:50.28 | Neffi | I don't think Blizz has much of a problem with datamining. Things like Wowhead wouldnt exist if it were not for datamining. |
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| 18:05.18 | nebula169 | lol if chrome blocks a download it thinks is malware and you go to allow it, the dialog buttons are "Hurt me plenty" / "Be safe" |
| 18:05.25 | Dagmar | I think it's more a matter of they're trying to make it entirely uncomfortable to turn the client into a realtime two-way data pipe |
| 18:06.08 | Dagmar | ...because then you could do things like strip the auctionhouse completely clean of anything resembling profit to within a statistically measurable accuracy of no fun for anyone else. |
| 18:06.38 | Amarande | Dagmar: isn't that pretty much how the AH tends towards anyway, with resources like Undermine Journal and Auctioneer? |
| 18:06.44 | Dagmar | nebula169: Something like greater than 80% of the people are just accustomed to clicking 'okay' no matter what |
| 18:07.04 | Amarande | Common items always tend towards a fairly steady market price over time and seem to not change very much unless there's a major patch or expansion to alter the nature of things |
| 18:07.07 | Dagmar | Amarande: There's a human using those, and you can only really update the info so often |
| 18:07.33 | Dagmar | Being able to use something outside the client, there is a *lot* more horsepower you could throw at it |
| 18:07.39 | Amarande | Yeah, but typically for commonly sold items like mats and such, there's a sufficient weight of existing stock to cause the market prices to become fairly static |
| 18:07.56 | Dagmar | Not really |
| 18:08.04 | Dagmar | I've seen people empty an AH for a lark before |
| 18:08.05 | Amarande | How often do things like basic (especially current-tier) ore actually sell out? |
| 18:08.39 | Dagmar | The only thing that I know of that would put the brakes on that would be a true commodity market like GW2 has |
| 18:08.50 | Amarande | Yeah, but there's also only so much you can jack up the price per unit before people balk at buying yours and instead decide to go gather their own? |
| 18:09.09 | Dagmar | If the scalpers were actually competing with each other and everyone else instead of basically sniping all the time, _then_ you'd see a bloody stable market |
| 18:09.13 | Amarande | so unless you buy a truly huge amount of stuff and make profit in bulk, you can't really make all that much money |
| 18:09.31 | Amarande | (especially after the server takes its cut) |
| 18:09.47 | Dagmar | Yeah people might go collect their own, but players are kinda lazy |
| 18:10.12 | Amarande | And really Blizzard only needs to do something pretty trivial to weigh in on things in that regard |
| 18:10.29 | Dagmar | ...and some folks just want 300 ore for something short-term, and will just shell out the money instead of harvesting it thsemelves |
| 18:10.54 | Amarande | I'm not so sure it's laziness, as much as current theorycraft causing people who actually take gathering professions on mains to be looked down upon |
| 18:11.04 | Dagmar | The first tier is always scalped to death, but the tiers above it that aren't latest tier generally have some play in them. That would go away and the entire thing would be a max-level economy if people could thoroughly scrape it all dry. |
| 18:11.30 | Amarande | with the general leaning virtually always being "take two crafting professions and rely on the AH (or alts) to get you your mats, or you're Not a Real Raider" |
| 18:11.47 | Dagmar | That's why people have alts |
| 18:12.20 | Amarande | since really, skinning seems to be the only "fully useful" gathering buff over time for most classes |
| 18:12.36 | Dagmar | I thought mining was fairly useful |
| 18:12.45 | Amarande | the Mining bonus is patently useless unless you're a tank |
| 18:13.21 | Amarande | Herbalism is really hard to quantify, because it's a haste bonus, and haste bonuses tend to require irritating amounts of math to really figure out the usefulness of compared to most others |
| 18:13.51 | Dagmar | ...unless you're a hunter, in which case it's both irritating and a useful stat |
| 18:14.01 | Amarande | plus tend to start losing efficacy later in expansions, as Shadow Priests find out to their sadness |
| 18:14.03 | Dagmar | ...or anyone with dots I suppose |
| 18:14.26 | Dagmar | I miss BC 'locks. "SP from all teh numebrz" was good stuff. |
| 18:15.08 | Amarande | At least that's how I understand it, basically the trouble with Shadow lately has been that it's more like being a sh-sh-shadow priest, if you get my drift |
| 18:16.20 | Amarande | MoP skill mechanics mean that the *only* secondary stat shadow really scales well with is haste |
| 18:16.25 | Dagmar | I take the easy route. If the difference is 5% or less, fuck worrying abou tit. |
| 18:17.00 | Amarande | So halfway thru the expansion as everyone else still has some or other stat they can look forward to stacking more awesome of, the shadow priest has hit the hard haste cap and spends most of their time waiting on the GCD rather than actually doing damage :P |
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| 18:17.14 | Dagmar | I fail to see that as a bad thing. |
| 18:17.24 | Dagmar | ...of course I also have a chronically lazy druid for this same reason. |
| 18:18.13 | Amarande | Dagmar: basically it means their DPS improvement rate drops dramatically (because after that you pretty much only improve based on primary stat alone, while other specs are still getting benefit from secondaries) |
| 18:18.13 | Dagmar | I need time to reach over, light a cigarette, take a puff, pour a shot, and possibly even eat a chip before casting the next HoT. |
| 18:18.13 | Amarande | and then the other specs pass them by |
| 18:18.35 | Amarande | on top of that, it makes them look really awful in burst phases |
| 18:18.40 | Neffi | Dagmar: you're my kind of gamer |
| 18:19.07 | Dagmar | Neffi: Hey if I have to stand back there and watch people block with their nose and/or the backs of their heads, there's going to need to be some mood enhancers involved |
| 18:19.09 | Amarande | because everyone else is getting a nice sexy DPS improvement from bloodlust/heroism/pelvic thrusting, while the shadow priest is still doing the same DPS they've done all fight because the haste bonus benefits them naught |
| 18:19.30 | Dagmar | Amarande: So, it's a lot like being a hunter, then. |
| 18:20.11 | Dagmar | Someone's pretty much _always_ going to be the large-DPS-over-time-that's-hard-to-stop class |
| 18:20.31 | Amarande | Dagmar: except that shadow priests were never all that high up on the DPS totem pole to begin with, either |
| 18:20.50 | Amarande | in Mists, anyway |
| 18:21.34 | Amarande | speaking of that ... you know, that's actually apparently one of those phrases everyone uses, like "shut off", that's actually quite opposite to reality LOL |
| 18:21.43 | Dagmar | We can't all be perfect, and if all classes did the same thing the game would get boring fast |
| 18:22.02 | Amarande | I've actually heard that, despite the usual phrase being "high up on the totem pole" as a positive indication of power |
| 18:22.17 | Amarande | that in real Native American totem poles, the most revered and powerful entities were enshrined closest to the *ground* |
| 18:22.22 | Dagmar | I suppsoe they could always retool WoD like The Secret World where most of the time people ahve a secondary _role_ |
| 18:22.33 | Dagmar | We could have tanks running around and heal part of the time |
| 18:22.45 | Amarande | as in, the best are at the BOTTOM of a real totem pole, not the top :) |
| 18:22.48 | Dagmar | ...and maybe mages kiting the bosses. That would be exciting, wouldn't it. :) |
| 18:22.57 | Dagmar | SOmeone has to be on the bottom |
| 18:23.15 | Dagmar | Otherwise you're both standing up and that makes Mormons angry |
| 18:23.19 | Amarande | just like how we say we "shut off" electrical devices, even though as everyone with the slightest inkling of electrical understanding knows, you actually *open* a circuit to turn power off :) |
| 18:24.39 | Amarande | Dagmar: actually, we already have that a little bit |
| 18:24.50 | Amarande | Mistweavers in particular apparently do some level of DPS as part of the way their class mechanics work |
| 18:25.16 | Amarande | at least if I understand it correctly, as a healer monk, you have to attack the target to charge up your heals |
| 18:25.27 | Semlar | i don't think so |
| 18:25.30 | nebula169 | nah |
| 18:25.55 | Semlar | as far as i know fistweaving actually reduces their healing output |
| 18:26.16 | Semlar | it better, they're doing damage |
| 18:26.35 | Neffi | neffis Semlar |
| 18:26.41 | Semlar | explodes |
| 18:26.58 | Neffi | You're less stable than potassium |
| 18:27.02 | Amarande | yeah, I'm pretty foggy on how mistweaving works, heh |
| 18:27.14 | Amarande | I get the feeling that if I dual spec on my windwalker monk ever, it'll be to kegslinger |
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| 18:27.26 | Amarande | also: Blizzard, please change "brewmaster" to "kegslinger". the latter sounds a lot cooler. :D |
| 18:27.41 | Neffi | I like the sound of brewmaster more |
| 18:27.50 | Amarande | besides, Brewmaster is already a title |
| 18:27.53 | Neffi | Then again running a micro-brewery is like my dream job |
| 18:28.06 | Semlar | i doubt shadow priest's problem is secondary stats because there is less than a 5% difference between dumping everything into any single one of mine |
| 18:28.39 | Amarande | Semlar: at least that's what I had been reading, the only secondary stat they scale well with is haste, but if you balls to the wall on haste in Mists gear you hit the hard cap as early as ToT |
| 18:29.22 | Amarande | at which point you're already doing one full action every second and the game won't let you go faster, so you stop improving well in DPS and you look especially lame-arsed during lust phases |
| 18:29.25 | Semlar | if i specced into my worst possible secondary stat i would still do far more single target damage than a shadow priest, as least in my experience |
| 18:29.38 | Semlar | although that could just be the shadow priests i've played with |
| 18:30.00 | Amarande | Semlar: I think it's the spec ... shadow priests have become vanishingly rare at max level, apparently, possibly more so than any other spec |
| 18:30.08 | Semlar | now that being said they could easily do more damage than me on a council style fight |
| 18:30.14 | Amarande | basically shadow is so bad right now that it's basically "go heals or go home" |
| 18:30.40 | Amarande | and apparently it's a scaling issue for group content at 90 because it's still as fun as always for leveling and soloing |
| 18:30.50 | Dagmar | ...and that's how it begins. |
| 18:31.24 | Dagmar | Once you let people start declaring stuff like that, the elitists will start declaring ghetto classes and 'carries'. |
| 18:31.42 | Amarande | Dagmar: yes, that's how it begins. it seems like the classes that benefit groups the most at 90 are *quite* often not the ones that are the most enjoyable to actually get into and level up to 90 in the first place :| |
| 18:32.01 | Amarande | this is why we have a tank shortage, heh |
| 18:32.06 | Semlar | shadow priests bring more to a group than damage though |
| 18:32.07 | Dagmar | Well, the main problem is that it's generally over miniscule differencese. |
| 18:32.19 | Semlar | it is extremely useful to have cooldowns from a hybrid |
| 18:32.22 | Amarande | Dagmar: we wish |
| 18:32.26 | Amarande | that's part of the problem as well |
| 18:32.33 | Amarande | in past expansions, the differences were small enough that that was indeed the case |
| 18:32.38 | Dagmar | I used to hear shit like that about my BM hunter, and when i'd come in at 4% lower than the spec-of-the-month guys my answer was generally "why do you suck?" |
| 18:32.57 | Amarande | in MoP, it seems that the stat scaling has gotten so out of control compared to previous expansions that the spread becomes quite marked by the end of expansion |
| 18:33.09 | Dagmar | In Theorycrafting it does |
| 18:33.24 | Amarande | e.g., nobody will begrudge you your shadow priest in heroics, but by the time you get to ToT and SoO you're lagging a lot more behind |
| 18:33.25 | Ermad | it got out of control because of having 3-4 tiers of items per raid tier (lfr, normal, heroic, flex) |
| 18:33.40 | Ermad | it used to be 13-20 ilvls of difference between raid tiers, now its 40 |
| 18:34.04 | Amarande | yeah, and despite some people feeling that exponential power rises are "more fun", it's just not sustainable |
| 18:34.07 | Semlar | we do heroic SoO with a shadow priest in our 10 man |
| 18:34.09 | Amarande | hence why we have to have a gear squish and all |
| 18:34.28 | Semlar | it certainly doesn't prevent them from raiding |
| 18:34.28 | Amarande | seriously, like Ermad says ... 40 ilvls per raid tier |
| 18:34.38 | Amarande | back in vanilla, there were less than 40 ilvls in the ENTIRE RAID EXPERIENCE |
| 18:34.44 | nebula169 | i mean, thats the not the reason for the ilvl squish |
| 18:35.02 | Ermad | yea, the raid squish won't solve that at all |
| 18:35.11 | Dagmar | There's a degree to which the difference basically _has_ to grow larger as levels increase |
| 18:35.17 | Amarande | in fact, in vanilla, even if you went all the way to Naxxramas, you gained only about 25 ilvls from blues to best |
| 18:35.51 | Dagmar | If it were a strictly linear increase you'd eithet get crushed a lot at the lot levels, or the difference would be so gradual at the upper levels thhat a level increase would mean a whopping 2% performance difference |
| 18:36.05 | Dagmar | s/lot levels/low levels/ |
| 18:36.31 | Amarande | yeah, perhaps the problem is ultimately the basic design of WoW from the get go |
| 18:36.55 | Semlar | there should only be one class |
| 18:37.00 | Amarande | it's easy to get the impression (and it may well be the correct impression) that progression in WoW is foremost about character power *uber alles*, the world and storyline are just a backdrop to MOAR POWAR |
| 18:37.15 | nebula169 | Semlar: three! one for tanking, one for healing, one for dpsing |
| 18:37.23 | Semlar | no no one class with 3 specs |
| 18:37.30 | Amarande | in most other MMOs, the item progression is a lot more sedate and the world and storyline are of primary importance |
| 18:37.39 | nebula169 | pfft, specs, thats another design flaw |
| 18:38.12 | Amarande | e.g., in SW:TOR, the story mode ops are apparently supposed to not be all that hard, they're about the story (and introducing you to the mechanics so you have a clue when you go after the higher difficulties) |
| 18:38.18 | Amarande | you want a challenge, that's what Hard and Nightmare modes are for |
| 18:38.30 | nebula169 | yea, except most other mmos have shitte end game |
| 18:38.42 | Amarande | and in LOTRO, raiding is essentially *purely* about the challenge for its own sake, it has essentially no bearing on the main world storyline whatever |
| 18:39.01 | Dagmar | I'd like to see one where they just do a fade to black, roll credits, and start over as a decendant |
| 18:39.14 | Amarande | Dagmar: you mean like Wizardry III, I think it was? :)O |
| 18:39.18 | Amarande | * :) |
| 18:39.30 | Dagmar | ...and Torchlight II, as an optional method of progress |
| 18:41.35 | Amarande | actually, the LOTRO raiding model also has some other advantages |
| 18:42.00 | Amarande | for instance, it can pit you against major names in-universe without having to worry about the "but ____ is dead!" fallout, because the raids are not part of the actual storyline |
| 18:42.27 | Amarande | I doubt Saruman would have been able to be introduced as a boss fight otherwise, for instance |
| 18:42.34 | mikma | what about anusman |
| 18:43.16 | Dagmar | I thought that game was still under NDA |
| 18:43.36 | Kraps | you can choose your pets spec?? |
| 18:43.41 | Amarande | Kraps: yup |
| 18:43.47 | Amarande | and it's a feature I very much welcome |
| 18:44.10 | Amarande | because, tbh, the Cata pet model was ENTIRELY too limiting |
| 18:44.38 | Semlar | i set up a weak aura that tells me when my pet isn't attacking |
| 18:44.52 | Amarande | between the Big Seven design *and* the fact that many otherwise nice looking pet models were of little use because they weren't the right spec type for what you were doing |
| 18:44.57 | Semlar | it spends a lot of time not attacking |
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| 18:46.19 | Amarande | nowadays, you get a lot more real choice about what pets you actually like |
| 18:46.34 | Amarande | since you aren't bound by a fixed role *and* they've backpedaled from the Big Seven crap that Cata had |
| 18:48.10 | Amarande | ahhh, cata ... how you taunted hunters |
| 18:48.23 | Amarande | introduced a whole bunch of nice new pet families ... and then made sure you had hardly any incentive at all to use them :) |
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| 18:49.00 | Semlar | i'd like to ride my pet into battle |
| 18:49.38 | Amarande | that would be neat, if you could convert pets into mounts ... though I suppose it would have its issues |
| 18:50.05 | Semlar | mostly i just want to not have to rely on pets for any part of my damage |
| 18:50.25 | Amarande | do you consider all of your pets reasonably realistic to ride on, at least in terms of "they look like they can support your weight"? |
| 18:50.37 | Amarande | do you add the pet permanently to the mounts panel, so all your characters can use it, not just your hunter? |
| 18:50.38 | Semlar | i don't care if they can support my weight |
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| 18:50.46 | Semlar | i will ride all of them |
| 18:51.19 | Amarande | do you have some way of still being able to offer an adequate number of vanity gold-sink mounts, given that some of them (e.g. amber scorpion) are basically the same as mobs? |
| 18:51.47 | Amarande | if you like hunter mechanics but not having to rely on a pet, you might try LOTRO |
| 18:51.58 | Amarande | in fact, LOTRO hunters are not a pet class at all |
| 18:52.24 | Amarande | only loremasters and captains get real pets in the WoWish sense, as far as I can recall |
| 18:52.46 | Amarande | (and then it's probably more like a warlock than a hunter, by comparison) |
| 18:56.27 | Amarande | or SW:TOR, half the classes are blaster oriented :) |
| 18:58.44 | Amarande | (maybe FF14, but I have not played it yet so I don't know what the classes are like there) |
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| 19:17.36 | Kraps | you can play wow and hearthstone at the same time |
| 19:17.53 | Esamynn|work | Torhal, or Kaelten or some other curse person: diablofans.com is asking me a username/nickname related question and I want to understand the implications of my choice... HELP! |
| 19:23.52 | Primer | it's a scam |
| 19:25.06 | Semlar | if it's asking you whether you want to change it i just ignore it |
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| 19:26.15 | Semlar | every different curse site i go to says i have a credit to change my name |
| 19:26.58 | karl_w_w | lucky you |
| 19:27.29 | Semlar | i don't want to go around changing my name |
| 19:27.41 | Neffi | You have to pay to change your name? |
| 19:27.47 | karl_w_w | no |
| 19:27.55 | karl_w_w | but it uses a credit system anyway |
| 19:28.03 | karl_w_w | cos you have to request it I think |
| 19:28.30 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it was screwed up at one point and i had to get it changed |
| 19:28.41 | Semlar | i don't remember why though |
| 19:29.23 | karl_w_w | mine was messed up cos the system didnt handle underscores properly |
| 19:30.25 | karl_w_w | and my account got inexplicably linked to one named similar to mine |
| 19:32.38 | karl_w_w | jeez I wish I could get winamp to keep it's always on top setting properly |
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| 19:33.27 | Amarande | karl, you're lucky you got to keep winamp at all, apparently :( |
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| 19:33.59 | karl_w_w | why? |
| 19:34.55 | Amarande | karl: I heard they discontinued it and all that :( |
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| 19:36.11 | A-KO^^ | http://www.linksys.com/en-us/wrt-wireless-router?m=thx < looks so nice |
| 19:36.19 | karl_w_w | been a while since they updated it but it still works |
| 19:37.20 | karl_w_w | http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=17382&cPath=1016&utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=cse&utm_campaign=export_feed&gclid=CPm6zI7etbwCFQYjpAodkU4AKQ#googlebase A-KO |
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| 19:38.41 | mikma | i bought buffalo some time ago |
| 19:38.57 | mikma | Buffalo WBMR-HP-G300H |
| 19:39.12 | mikma | whacked it with DD-WRT after couple of months |
| 19:39.21 | Neffi | karl_w_w: that looks like something that belonds in the original Star Trek |
| 19:42.09 | Neffi | "Gigabit (10/100/1000) are 10X Faster than Ethernet" what |
| 19:42.33 | Humbedooh | kk |
| 19:43.33 | Ackis | http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1x31kw/dungeon_keeper_1_out_of_10_start_calling_them/ |
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| 19:47.05 | Neffi | These are cute and awesome http://imgur.com/gallery/2idt0 |
| 19:49.57 | Amarande | *shakes head* |
| 19:50.04 | Amarande | free to play makes sense in some environments and not in others :S |
| 19:50.48 | Amarande | like, I don't feel ripped off at all when I pay for stuff in LOTRO or SW:TOR, but the mere idea of paying for anything in, say, Candy Crush Saga is something I refuse to do |
| 19:51.38 | Neffi | so many bad games Amarande |
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| 20:11.22 | Hazal | What would be the way to go about getting the Dispelled damage info from auras on players. From buffs like UA http://www.wowhead.com/spell=30108 |
| 20:11.59 | Semlar | before you dispel it? |
| 20:12.07 | Hazal | It seems like I should use UnitAura http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitAura but I am not sure which variable would get that number |
| 20:12.33 | Hazal | Yeah basically I'm trying to make a weak aura to check if it is "safe" to mass dispell the raid |
| 20:12.44 | Semlar | unless you are very lucky and it's one of the extra variables at the end of UnitAura it probably doesn't provide that info |
| 20:13.07 | Semlar | you could possibly pull it out of the tooltip but i don't know if it would be accurate |
| 20:14.17 | Semlar | you're trying to figure out how much it's going to hit you for before you actually dispel it though, not how much it did hit you for after the fact |
| 20:14.26 | Hazal | Correct |
| 20:15.09 | Semlar | you're probably going to need to do some experimenting to figure it out |
| 20:15.49 | Hazal | :( |
| 20:16.03 | Hazal | Thanks for the help though Semlar :) |
| 20:16.45 | Semlar | i would duel a warlock and check how much it says it will hit for in the tooltip, dispel it and see how much it actually hit for |
| 20:17.18 | Neffi | Also check the last few returns from UnitAura for it and see if one of them matches the damage mentioned in the tooltip |
| 20:17.23 | Neffi | If so, there's a good chance you can use that |
| 20:17.29 | Stanzilla | http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/02/05/google-search-updated-to-v3-2-meet-the-google-now-launcher/ |
| 20:17.43 | Semlar | i'm almost positive if it's one of the extra returns it's going to be the base value |
| 20:19.45 | Semlar | it also says it always crits so you'll probably have to multiply it by 1.5 if it's in the tooltip |
| 20:21.41 | Neffi | I dont think it would be the base value. The extra returns for shields are always the correct value (in my experience writing a display for Ice Barrier) |
| 20:21.50 | Semlar | it's the base value for my serpent sting |
| 20:21.58 | Neffi | It must vary by effect |
| 20:22.18 | Semlar | it returns 279 and 2379 for the extra values on my warlock |
| 20:22.21 | Neffi | All I had to do for shiels was probe UnitAura every ~.5 sec, it always had the correct remaining amount. |
| 20:22.31 | Semlar | the tooltip says 2,232 damage to the dispeller |
| 20:22.48 | Semlar | which is sort of close to the second value, but not the same |
| 20:22.58 | Neffi | Also no matter how you slice it, this shouldnt account for resilience, so that's a bitch |
| 20:23.06 | Hazal | :( |
| 20:23.35 | Semlar | i have no idea how much it would actually hit for if you dispelled it though |
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| 20:23.54 | Neffi | yeah, and I dont know if you CAN reliably calculate the real damage taken because you dont know the enemy's PvP power, spellpower, etc |
| 20:24.08 | Neffi | (Actually spellpower should be factored into the tooltip, but not PvP power) |
| 20:24.11 | Hazal | But Semlar you were the caster of the debuff right? |
| 20:24.18 | Semlar | oh 2379 is how much it ticks for |
| 20:24.38 | Semlar | well, it's how much the tooltip claims it ticks for |
| 20:24.43 | Semlar | it's not how much it actually ticks for |
| 20:25.07 | Semlar | yeah i'm the caster |
| 20:25.31 | Semlar | it's ticking for 3869 |
| 20:26.02 | Semlar | the tooltip isn't even close |
| 20:27.32 | Semlar | i wonder if you could use the observed damage it's ticking for to estimate how much it would do if you dispelled it |
| 20:27.57 | Hazal | Hmm maybe there is some correlation |
| 20:28.27 | Semlar | i don't know what the actual formula is, i doubt it's what wowhead has |
| 20:29.08 | Hazal | And I will probably have to think about resilience as well |
| 20:29.45 | Semlar | you have no idea what their pvp power is |
| 20:30.22 | Hazal | Aww god... :( Didn't think about that |
| 20:31.00 | Semlar | does gear even have resilience on it any more |
| 20:31.10 | Semlar | it's all the same right? |
| 20:31.10 | Hazal | Set bonuses yes |
| 20:31.22 | Neffi | No, some gear has resil. Plus there's gems and enchants |
| 20:31.39 | Semlar | i thought they got rid of it |
| 20:31.58 | Hazal | If you have 2 PvP trinkets you get 2600 resilience. |
| 20:32.12 | Neffi | They got rid of it on the base gear, that's all |
| 20:32.14 | Semlar | i see no resilience on anything |
| 20:32.31 | Neffi | My druid has a few resil gems, and a resil chest enchant |
| 20:32.40 | Hazal | Yeah there are still resil gems and enchants |
| 20:32.56 | Hazal | But at the moment resil gems are worth less than stam gems in terms of effective HP |
| 20:33.14 | Neffi | Anyway, if you can see what UA is supposed to tick for, and what it's actually ticking for, I think you can figure out a good estimate of how much it will hit on dispel |
| 20:33.22 | Neffi | That should cleanly factor resil and power |
| 20:33.27 | Semlar | http://www.wowhead.com/item=103531 this has no resilience |
| 20:33.40 | Semlar | but the set bonus does |
| 20:33.42 | Neffi | Semlar: (2) Set: Increases PvP Resilience by 2600. |
| 20:33.47 | Hazal | ^ |
| 20:33.58 | Semlar | there is no resilience on any of the pvp set pieces though |
| 20:34.07 | Hazal | Yeah I was wrong about that Semlar |
| 20:34.17 | Neffi | And lower level gear has resil on it, so if you want the addon to work for everyone you have to figure that |
| 20:34.37 | Hazal | Nah this is only for myself |
| 20:34.43 | Semlar | actual resilience doesn't matter |
| 20:34.44 | Hazal | At max level PvP |
| 20:35.01 | Semlar | if you're watching how much it's ticking for the only thing that matters is the difference in damage reduction between you and the person it's ticking on |
| 20:35.48 | Semlar | which could be difficult to figure out |
| 20:35.57 | Hazal | Yeaaah |
| 20:36.07 | Amarande | well, it's nice to see resil be somewhat devauled |
| 20:36.10 | Amarande | *devalued |
| 20:36.21 | Amarande | it was so overvalued in previous expansions that PvP was basically single stat and that felt really dull |
| 20:36.33 | Semlar | everyone has a base reduction of like 72% or something |
| 20:36.55 | Semlar | you will still be 2 shot by a destruction warlock in pve gear |
| 20:37.07 | Amarande | basically things like your health, your damage dealing ability, your *playing* ability either pretty much didn't matter, it was "how much resil?" |
| 20:37.29 | Amarande | Semlar: well, there's a certain charm about the pell mell boom-headshot chaos of lower level pvp :) |
| 20:37.32 | Semlar | and i do mean it takes them literally 2 casts to kill you |
| 20:37.36 | Amarande | at least, as long as the battleground is designed for it |
| 20:37.42 | Amarande | (for instance, it does kind of make Arathi Basin SUCK) |
| 20:38.00 | Amarande | i.e., it doesn't take you too long to get back to the action after rezzing |
| 20:38.48 | Semlar | i was dueling a warlock in 570 gear and his chaos bolts would hit for around 60% of my health |
| 20:39.08 | Neffi | sounds like he balanced the fuck out of you |
| 20:39.27 | Semlar | i actually just reflected it with deterrence |
| 20:39.30 | Hazal | Gear doesn't downscale in duels sadly |
| 20:39.34 | Semlar | i had to do 2.5 million damage to kill him |
| 20:40.14 | Semlar | i don't know what he was healing from other than his health stones |
| 20:40.26 | Neffi | yeah WoW's PvP right now feels wrobng |
| 20:41.13 | Semlar | i was being super cheap though, i put murder of crows on him, stampede and hid |
| 20:41.47 | Semlar | i guess there's no such thing as being cheap in pvp |
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| 20:42.01 | karl_w_w | oh, "As you all surely know by now, Winamp & SHOUTcast have recently changed ownership." |
| 20:42.09 | karl_w_w | immenent breakage |
| 20:42.13 | Dagmar | Yes. because the motherfucker is nagging me about updates again |
| 20:42.16 | Semlar | winamp is still around? |
| 20:42.38 | Neffi | Semlar: AOL discontinued it, public outcry pursued, so it got acquired by somebody else |
| 20:42.47 | Neffi | ensued, rather |
| 20:42.49 | karl_w_w | it never went anywhere Semlar |
| 20:42.55 | Dagmar | ...and on behalf of everyone who objects to going through an update and clicking their way through the crapware minefield to do so... weekly... fuck them. |
| 20:42.55 | Semlar | why not |
| 20:43.06 | karl_w_w | because it's the best |
| 20:43.20 | Neffi | you spelled fb2k wrong |
| 20:43.30 | Dagmar | No I didn't. I won't install that. |
| 20:43.37 | Semlar | i don't even know what shoutcast is |
| 20:44.04 | Dagmar | A sort of crappy way to stream mp3s that no one's seriously sat down to make obsolete since it mostly works |
| 20:44.07 | karl_w_w | it's the format used by most internet radio streams |
| 20:44.09 | Neffi | But fb2k is perfect, if you don't need your music player to be a skinned like 3 alien heads coming out of a green lion's anus |
| 20:44.24 | karl_w_w | winamp is best because of the skinning |
| 20:44.34 | Neffi | But the skinning is pointless |
| 20:44.34 | Dagmar | I just need the fucker to play tunes and maybe display embedded album art |
| 20:44.39 | karl_w_w | you just need to not download the shitty 3 aliens heads skins |
| 20:44.56 | Neffi | (there are no good skins) |
| 20:45.01 | Dagmar | I liked the oppai visualiser |
| 20:45.06 | Dagmar | Tacky tho it was |
| 20:45.07 | Neffi | fb2k on the other hand actually has some nice, well designed UI skins out there |
| 20:45.18 | Neffi | If rice is your thing |
| 20:45.40 | karl_w_w | i have not found another player or skin for a player which does what my current skin does without looking ugly |
| 20:46.01 | karl_w_w | which is be a docked auto-hiding toolbar |
| 20:46.30 | Semlar | why do you need to see your music player |
| 20:46.45 | karl_w_w | most of the time I don't |
| 20:46.49 | karl_w_w | hence auto-hide |
| 20:46.51 | Neffi | http://www.deviantart.com/customization/skins/media/foobar2000/?order=9 some of them are pretty nice |
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| 20:48.26 | Semlar | http://www.tentonhammer.com/image/view/100304/_original whoever cut this out apparently thought that the bow sticking out of the left was part of the crest |
| 20:48.29 | Dagmar | Interesting. One of them is hosted at bit9 |
| 20:49.20 | Neffi | I prefer to just use something that organizes well and works http://i.imgur.com/HPPJGBG.png |
| 20:49.55 | Semlar | http://us.battle.net/wow/static/images/game/class/bg-hunter.jpg this is the original image |
| 20:51.51 | Semlar | dammit neffi |
| 20:52.50 | Neffi | not my fault |
| 20:52.56 | Semlar | it could be |
| 20:54.30 | Semlar | how can i be sure |
| 20:58.18 | Dagmar | Put 'manager' in your title. |
| 20:58.43 | Dagmar | Everyone knows this means you are untroubled by little things like "facts" and "reality". |
| 20:59.42 | Semlar | i think i'll just throw him in the river and see if he floats |
| 20:59.53 | Semlar | best way to prove guilt |
| 21:00.40 | Esamynn|work | put him on an improperly balanced scale with a duck |
| 21:01.23 | Semlar | ah the duck test |
| 21:01.38 | Semlar | but i think that's for proving if he's a duck |
| 21:02.00 | Neffi | ~lart Semlar |
| 21:02.00 | purl | changes Semlar's permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
| 21:02.15 | Esamynn|work | no, it's a test for witches |
| 21:02.25 | Neffi | That's a myth |
| 21:02.40 | Neffi | Witches were given a real trial in court, and then hanged or beheaded |
| 21:02.44 | Esamynn|work | Monty Python is never wrong |
| 21:03.31 | Neffi | Of course the system was guilty until proven innocent, so most of them did hang |
| 21:03.51 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/gallery/V94GOIF heh |
| 21:03.57 | nevcairiel | wasnt it more guilty until dead |
| 21:04.06 | Esamynn|work | I'm sorry, are you attempting to bring reality into this discussion Neffi ? |
| 21:04.18 | Semlar | what if the duck is a witch |
| 21:05.21 | Esamynn|work | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g |
| 21:07.31 | Dagmar | Then it'll float. |
| 21:12.05 | Semlar | that's observational science at work |
| 21:13.59 | Shirik | lol @ meeting invite I just got |
| 21:14.03 | Shirik | "Matt DB’s presence requested for general guru input" |
| 21:14.14 | Shirik | I'm changing my email signature to "General Guru" |
| 21:14.26 | Semlar | major general |
| 21:16.25 | Neffi | nevcairiel: No actually. Something like 1 in 5 indicted witches were actually proven innocent, and they had double jeopardy |
| 21:16.54 | Neffi | It wasn't as tragic as the children's stories say |
| 21:17.12 | Semlar | which stories |
| 21:17.24 | Neffi | About the witch trials |
| 21:17.25 | Shirik | witch stories! |
| 21:17.30 | Semlar | witch stories!! |
| 21:17.30 | Neffi | haha |
| 21:18.04 | Shirik | so hang on |
| 21:18.09 | Neffi | pun |
| 21:18.10 | Shirik | having an 80% false positive rate |
| 21:18.13 | Shirik | is a good thing? |
| 21:18.22 | Neffi | Well no |
| 21:18.23 | Dagmar | sure! |
| 21:18.35 | Neffi | But it's not like millions are burned and drowned without a trial |
| 21:18.41 | Dagmar | If they're found guilty by mistake, Jesus will give them an extra pat on the head |
| 21:18.48 | Neffi | More like a few thousand were hanged or beheaded with a trial |
| 21:18.58 | Semlar | oh that's all right then |
| 21:18.58 | Dagmar | Neffi: No, just the really sexy parts of th gene pool |
| 21:19.36 | Semlar | this was before they had reality tv |
| 21:19.41 | Neffi | I'm talking about the Salem incidents. I don't know how it worked in Europe. I think they had a witch scare too |
| 21:20.02 | Semlar | what do you think the population of salem was |
| 21:20.23 | Neffi | Well it happened all over America. Salem was just the most famous, but only a few dozen cases happened in Salem IIRC |
| 21:21.30 | Semlar | america wasn't very big at that point |
| 21:21.53 | Neffi | Comparatively? |
| 21:22.02 | Neffi | The original colonies weren't exactly small |
| 21:23.28 | Dagmar | does the phrase "The Inquisition" ring a bell? |
| 21:23.38 | Neffi | Vaguely =P |
| 21:23.57 | Neffi | The Inquisition dealt with witches? |
| 21:24.08 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 21:24.11 | Neffi | Oh yes it did |
| 21:24.24 | Neffi | But wasn't that really more political, than an actual witch scare? |
| 21:24.29 | Dagmar | Witches, satanists, moors, doctors, and basically, anyone the Inquisition didn't like |
| 21:24.37 | Dagmar | ...which was basically everyone. |
| 21:25.02 | Neffi | As I understood it, it was really about wiping dissenting people off the planet by claiming they were doing sorcery |
| 21:25.17 | Dagmar | Also BDSM judging from the hardware they were using |
| 21:25.18 | Neffi | The Salem trials were more like, people were shit scared that actual witches lived among them |
| 21:28.10 | Semlar | boston's population was 7000 |
| 21:28.36 | Amarande | On similar lines, there's apparently also talk that Stalin's "political purges" also had not a jot to do with politics at all, realistically |
| 21:29.17 | Neffi | So I'm thinking about making a tank for PvE + melee for PvP class. Should I roll monk? |
| 21:29.17 | Neffi | (I already have a druid) |
| 21:29.22 | Amarande | It was apparently more on the lines of "crap, this economic system actually *doesn't* work all that well, we need an excuse to shovel up slave labour by the truckload to make it work" |
| 21:29.23 | Semlar | monk |
| 21:29.41 | Semlar | all tanks should be monks |
| 21:29.45 | Amarande | "oh, and of course, anyone who ACTUALLY points out that things aren't working too well, make sure you grab them, too" |
| 21:29.48 | ccox | Monk or DK |
| 21:30.15 | Semlar | that ranged aoe is op |
| 21:30.27 | Amarande | Semlar: oh, I thought you were going to toot the horn for stagger |
| 21:30.34 | Neffi | ccox: I hate DKs with a passion |
| 21:30.44 | Amarande | actually, sometimes I'm surprised bears didn't become almost unviable in mop |
| 21:31.04 | Neffi | The bear will never become unviable |
| 21:31.08 | Neffi | it's a friggin bear |
| 21:31.36 | Amarande | Neffi: well, let's see |
| 21:31.41 | Neffi | Do tank monks use agi leather? |
| 21:31.53 | Semlar | yes |
| 21:31.53 | Amarande | yes, they do, all monks use agi except for mistweaver |
| 21:32.09 | Neffi | hurr i weave mist. damn monks |
| 21:32.11 | Amarande | plate classes have large amounts of damage mit, as they always do |
| 21:32.27 | Amarande | kegslingers have the ability to spread out damage over time to make up for having less "inherent" mit |
| 21:32.52 | Neffi | That sounds terrible, Amarande |
| 21:32.52 | Amarande | meanwhile, bears still wear leather, have no shield, and don't have stagger, so it would have seemed like they should get squished super easily now if the damage is balanced for the others |
| 21:33.04 | Amarande | Neffi: "kegslingers"? |
| 21:33.08 | Neffi | yeah |
| 21:33.20 | Semlar | our monk managed to stay alive all by himself for a good 2 minutes after the rest of the raid was dead on thok |
| 21:33.32 | Semlar | it was complete bullshit |
| 21:33.41 | Neffi | So he was tauren? |
| 21:33.45 | Semlar | he was a panda |
| 21:33.58 | Semlar | why would he be a tauren |
| 21:34.08 | Neffi | because it was complete bullshit |
| 21:34.12 | Semlar | i see |
| 21:34.17 | Amarande | LOL |
| 21:34.33 | Semlar | neffi |
| 21:34.50 | Neffi | semmi |
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| 21:35.59 | Semlar | why you do dis |
| 21:36.19 | Neffi | because I can |
| 21:36.34 | Neffi | I wish I could be a rogue tank |
| 21:36.59 | Semlar | make it so |
| 21:37.04 | Neffi | High dodge + parry would be a cool tank mechanic |
| 21:37.36 | Semlar | avoidance tanks are a bad idea |
| 21:37.39 | Dagmar | ...and then they could even wear leather. |
| 21:37.46 | Dagmar | ...and maybe sneak a bit. |
| 21:37.58 | Neffi | Semlar: why is that? |
| 21:38.04 | Neffi | I don't think it's an inherently bad idea |
| 21:38.08 | Semlar | you inevitably take an unlucky string of hits and die |
| 21:38.10 | Amarande | Neffi: because either you get squished when you don't avoid stuff |
| 21:38.18 | Amarande | or else the game has to let you have so much avoidance that it becomes a joke |
| 21:38.35 | Amarande | remember things like Final Fantasy X-2 where basically you just had to equip a Rabbit's Foot and practically every attack that COULD miss WOULD? |
| 21:38.42 | Neffi | Nobody said they can't have supplementary mechanics |
| 21:39.06 | Semlar | death knights were the avoidance tanks |
| 21:39.47 | Semlar | they didn't have a shield so they had high parry |
| 21:39.47 | Amarande | but yeah, if you make it so that a class not designed for tanking can tank via avoidance, you do two things |
| 21:40.13 | Amarande | one, you make the actual tank classes sink (like the whole Guardian/Champion fiasco in LOTRO some time back) |
| 21:40.33 | Amarande | two, you're probably going to make that class incredibly OP, simply by virtue of it HAVING full-tier DPS on top of ability to tank |
| 21:40.53 | Neffi | Nobody said that has to be the case |
| 21:41.25 | Neffi | Ideally they would have a tank spec which was centered around it. Supplementary mechanics to avoid damage spikes, which monks already have |
| 21:42.09 | Amarande | well, *that* on the other hand, might work, provided that pains were taken to ensure that it didn't also have full-scape DPS DPS |
| 21:42.18 | Neffi | In my game draft that I have laying around in bits and pieces, one of the most interesting tanks is my take on the mage |
| 21:42.29 | Neffi | An elementalist specced for earth |
| 21:42.34 | Amarande | I'm sure it would do something for what seems to be a dreadfully anemic presence of the rogue class in WoW |
| 21:42.54 | Amarande | also, to find some formal tank or healer application for the hunter, warlock, and mage classes, at that |
| 21:43.08 | Amarande | but rogues seem to be an especially endangered species by comparison |
| 21:43.11 | Neffi | Think earthbending |
| 21:43.15 | Neffi | That would be fun tanking |
| 21:43.28 | Semlar | rogues are currently the highest single target damage class in the game |
| 21:43.33 | Amarande | reminds me of my old Guild Wars elementalist :) |
| 21:43.39 | Neffi | Never played it |
| 21:43.59 | Semlar | warlocks have the highest aoe damage |
| 21:44.07 | Neffi | Legend of Korra gave me some quirky and potentially fun ideas for RPG mechanics |
| 21:44.12 | Amarande | Semlar: otoh, encounters have habitually tended to be much more troublesome for melee DPS than for ranged in the history of WoW, which is the biggest strike against rogues |
| 21:44.34 | Amarande | in some cases (BC, Cata) it could get bad enough for rogues to be a liability in at least some encounters |
| 21:44.53 | Neffi | It's alright, at least we have PvP! |
| 21:44.59 | Neffi | Fucken Ghostcrawler |
| 21:45.14 | Neffi | That statement is the only thing I hold against him |
| 21:45.18 | Amarande | mind you, BC was kind of a basket case, with all the mechanics still in effect back then compared to now it was particularly risky to even have non-tanks in melee at all a lot of the time |
| 21:45.32 | Semlar | i liked BC |
| 21:45.57 | Amarande | (plus the love enemies seemed to have in BC for MC made rogues a rather dangerous thing to have as well) |
| 21:46.14 | Semlar | everything is all homogenized now |
| 21:46.27 | Amarande | had a tendency to make some fights practically come down to luck |
| 21:46.35 | Amarande | like heroic Mech, with what's his name MC |
| 21:46.54 | Amarande | had a rogue with you? better just pray to your lucky dice that the MC didn't hit the rogue, he'd probably paste the healer on the spot |
| 21:47.51 | Amarande | as for Cata, I didn't really do much of anything in Cata raid-wise so I'm not quite fully sure why there was melee hate there |
| 21:48.13 | Amarande | but I do remember MMO sites making a big deal about how hardcore raid guilds in the beginning practically universally benched *all* melee DPS |
| 21:49.58 | Esamynn|work | Amarande: Bears are still viable because Druids are just better |
| 21:50.07 | Semlar | i have a hard enough time keeping my pet alive between iron juggernaut and nazgrim |
| 21:50.16 | Kraps | i like helfire peninsula |
| 21:50.35 | Esamynn|work | the sky is pretty! |
| 21:51.12 | Amarande | yeah, the problem with Hellfire Peninsula isn't really so much its design per se |
| 21:51.31 | Amarande | it's more the fact that you have to see it so often when you level more than one character, because you ALWAYS have to go there |
| 21:51.40 | Esamynn|work | hehehe |
| 21:51.44 | Amarande | (well unless you level 60-68 purely in instances and then go straight to Northrend, anyways) |
| 21:52.05 | Esamynn|work | cannot the same be said of the Jade Forrest in MoP? |
| 21:52.15 | Amarande | probably, I've only leveled one character through Pandaria though |
| 21:52.19 | Semlar | well, you could bypass just hellfire without leveling to 68 in dungeons |
| 21:52.29 | Amarande | but yeah, it's like that nice song that you hear on the radio |
| 21:52.40 | Amarande | and then they play it again, and again, and again and again until they kill it and you don't ever want to hear the damn thing again |
| 21:52.54 | Semlar | you could stop leveling alts |
| 21:53.12 | Esamynn|work | I actually skipped out on the MoP intro quest on my Druid... herbed my way to 86 and went to Four Winds |
| 21:53.26 | Amarande | I thought you couldn't *go* to Pandaria without doing the intro quest ... |
| 21:53.39 | Esamynn|work | I did just enough to get to MoP |
| 21:53.55 | Esamynn|work | and jumped off the airship |
| 21:53.56 | Amarande | To the point that a practical FAQ when Mists was new was "dammit, I hearthed out of Pandaria too soon, how do I get back?" |
| 21:53.57 | Semlar | someone managed to do it because they couldn't see the portal to pandaria in org |
| 21:54.02 | Esamynn|work | and now, I'm actually out of phase with the airship, such that I cannot go back and do most of the Jade Forest quest line anymore |
| 21:54.04 | nevcairiel | the first 3 quests to get on the ground arent that much time spent :p |
| 21:55.56 | Esamynn|work | wasn't the time I was avoiding :P |
| 21:56.03 | Esamynn|work | it was the quest itself |
| 21:56.14 | Amarande | Esamynn: GM can't fix the phasing for you? |
| 21:56.22 | Esamynn|work | haven't asked |
| 21:56.24 | Esamynn|work | don't care |
| 21:56.35 | Esamynn|work | it's funny though |
| 21:56.47 | Esamynn|work | I can see and use the protal to get back up to the air ship |
| 21:56.52 | Esamynn|work | but it teleports me into mid air |
| 21:57.03 | Esamynn|work | <3 Flight Form |
| 21:57.21 | nevcairiel | probably because the ship moved on and is now in krasarang helping the war effort against the horde?!?! |
| 21:57.28 | Esamynn|work | could be |
| 21:57.49 | Esamynn|work | that is the quest chain I suspect of causing it, yes |
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| 22:29.59 | Semlar | btw neffi if you're leveling up a new character there is no way in hell i would make another panda for its racials |
| 22:30.50 | Semlar | the food thing is super annoying |
| 22:31.29 | Semlar | if you don't eat, you don't benefit from your racial |
| 22:31.56 | Semlar | if you get battle rezzed in a fight you lose your racial |
| 22:32.46 | Semlar | on the other hand bouncy is a super awesome racial |
| 22:33.13 | Semlar | you'd be surprised how often you take fall damage in pve |
| 22:33.22 | nevcairiel | i prefer being a druid |
| 22:34.03 | nevcairiel | cat fall reduction ftw |
| 22:34.08 | nevcairiel | especially in all forms! |
| 22:34.09 | Semlar | i imagine you'd have to fall from a preposterous height to die as a pandaren rogue |
| 22:34.28 | Amarande | Semlar: thankfully, there are plenty of those in Pandaria |
| 22:34.39 | Amarande | and mobs that are designed to cause you to go off of them sometimes, too :D |
| 22:34.57 | nevcairiel | I dont think i ever fell to my death in pandaria |
| 22:35.08 | Amarande | nev: I can't remember if I have either |
| 22:35.12 | Semlar | as a pandaren hunter i have never died to fall damage |
| 22:35.20 | Amarande | I have fallen from some truly ludicrous heights on occasion though on my mage |
| 22:35.26 | Semlar | plus i have engineering |
| 22:35.35 | Amarande | like once I got baa ram ewed off the cliff by a goat |
| 22:35.38 | nevcairiel | if i'm not in combat i cannot die from falling anyway, flying form ftw |
| 22:35.51 | Amarande | ... I had to cast slow fall TWICE, and I think I managed to be about half way across the zone by the time I actually landed :) |
| 22:36.06 | nevcairiel | wasnt the trick to simply ice block a meter above ground |
| 22:36.15 | nevcairiel | or blink away or something |
| 22:36.16 | nevcairiel | i forget |
| 22:36.17 | Semlar | if disengage if off of cooldown it's very hard to manage to die to falling |
| 22:36.20 | Semlar | is |
| 22:37.12 | Semlar | disengage is probably my favorite hunter ability |
| 22:38.06 | Semlar | i have the talent that makes you run 60% faster after using it and i use it allllll the time |
| 22:38.18 | nevcairiel | dont you jump backwards |
| 22:38.23 | nevcairiel | that kinda negates the fast running |
| 22:38.36 | Semlar | yes but you can turn around |
| 22:38.44 | nevcairiel | that sounds uncomfortable |
| 22:38.53 | Semlar | you get used to it |
| 22:39.18 | Semlar | i use it to avoid taking any damage from desecrated weapon on garrosh every single time |
| 22:39.39 | Semlar | and i can disengage off of the assembly line on blackfuse |
| 22:40.16 | Semlar | so when i'm done killing up there i can just hop back onto the platform |
| 22:42.47 | Neffi | Semlar: With glyph of safe fall I can already jump down the cliff into mines as a rogue |
| 22:43.03 | Neffi | That's about as much fall give as I should ever need |
| 22:44.03 | Kraps | wow these look like arpg stats http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3583397&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=71#post422265214 |
| 22:44.35 | Neffi | <nevcairiel> or blink away or something <- if you blink in midair, it resets your fall damage to that of where you blinked. essentially, it's as if you fell from the height where you cast blink |
| 22:44.42 | Neffi | But because of latency, you can often die anyway |
| 22:44.58 | Semlar | it's just that it's a difference of 25 stats between the super expensive best food in the game and the substantially cheaper alternative for anyone who isn't a panda |
| 22:46.10 | Semlar | so i feel bad if i don't use it |
| 22:46.11 | Neffi | I doubt I'd make a panda anyway Semlar |
| 22:46.19 | Neffi | There's much better racials out there |
| 22:48.34 | Semlar | as a hunter i get basically no use out of the 4 second gouge on a 2 minute cooldown |
| 22:48.55 | Semlar | it might have some use in pvp though |
| 22:50.51 | Neffi | Depends on how it DRs |
| 22:51.35 | Neffi | eg, I cant remember the last time I used a tauren stun |
| 22:51.44 | Semlar | i would say never |
| 22:51.59 | Semlar | my god that is a crappy ability that alliance greatly overestimate |
| 22:52.11 | Neffi | It saved my life a few times |
| 22:52.31 | Neffi | Like, the in between times before I had mighty bash and was playing 1v1 out in the open world |
| 22:52.35 | Neffi | Even then I rarely used it |
| 22:52.52 | Semlar | if it didn't have a fucking cast time it wouldn't be terrible |
| 22:52.55 | Neffi | I think it prevented my death maybe once |
| 22:54.44 | Semlar | and up until recently it took you out of bear form which made it hilariously bad as a druid |
| 22:55.22 | Semlar | at least i think they made it so it didn't take you out of forms |
| 22:55.41 | Neffi | yeah lol |
| 22:55.50 | Gnarfoz | Semlar: what you should do on Blackfuse instead of disengaging off the belt: disengage onto it. :P |
| 22:55.53 | Neffi | I remember everything took you out of form |
| 22:56.12 | Semlar | i don't disengage onto it unless the other person doing it has gotten themselves killed |
| 22:56.24 | Neffi | Oh, you need a potion? Sure let me pop you out of your defensive form while you drink that. You better be able to afford the mana and GCD to pop back in, because you're probably in a bind right now! |
| 22:56.25 | Gnarfoz | when our hunter's there, he's the belt guy |
| 22:56.32 | Semlar | it is really dangerous to disengage onto it |
| 22:56.33 | Gnarfoz | no need to send anybody else since he can do it every time :D |
| 22:56.49 | Semlar | you better appreciate that hunter |
| 22:56.59 | Gnarfoz | what's dangerous about it |
| 22:57.04 | Semlar | if you fall off the pipe you die |
| 22:57.08 | Gnarfoz | boohoo? |
| 22:57.11 | Gnarfoz | don't fall off the pipe |
| 22:57.11 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:57.39 | Neffi | mebe i'll make a hunter semmi |
| 22:57.43 | Semlar | i urge you to try navigating around the edge of that pipe some time |
| 22:57.50 | Gnarfoz | I wish I was on the belt each time, would spare me hanging around the main platform with all the shit that's going on there |
| 22:58.09 | Semlar | because you have to disengage from the highest point |
| 22:58.09 | Gnarfoz | sadly, there's nothing to tank on the belt :p |
| 22:58.35 | Gnarfoz | I postulate: you get used to it after the first 100 wipes ;) |
| 22:58.42 | Neffi | hoh damn I hope this is real http://imgur.com/gallery/5TFC7 |
| 22:58.46 | Semlar | you can still slip up |
| 22:58.47 | Neffi | that's really awesome |
| 22:58.58 | Semlar | plus your pet doesn't go with you |
| 22:59.29 | Semlar | you have to dance with passive switching to get it to actually come up |
| 22:59.56 | Dagmar | Heh. "whatever you do. DON'T BURN DOWN THE HOUSE." |
| 23:00.04 | Semlar | if you disengage onto the belt your pet just stands there on the pipe staring at you |
| 23:00.13 | Semlar | like wtf are you doing |
| 23:01.19 | Neffi | In my experience pets do that a lot anyway |
| 23:01.21 | Semlar | you have to switch it to passive after you get up there which doesn't always work |
| 23:02.04 | Gnarfoz | you make it sound like it sound so suboptimal |
| 23:02.05 | Semlar | which is unfortunate because BM is waaaaay better than survival for the belt |
| 23:02.08 | Gnarfoz | when in reality, everyone's doing it |
| 23:02.09 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 23:02.16 | Semlar | it is suboptimal |
| 23:02.18 | Amarande | Neffi: for that matter, it seems like healing potion use is becoming rarer and rarer and rarer |
| 23:02.22 | Gnarfoz | not suboptimal enough, apparently |
| 23:02.24 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:02.30 | Amarande | to the point that it almost seems like something that only newbies really use much anymore |
| 23:02.30 | Semlar | it is a substantially better idea to use 2 people |
| 23:02.44 | Gnarfoz | oh you can use two people |
| 23:02.59 | Gnarfoz | and have one of them be the hunter each time ;] |
| 23:03.04 | Gnarfoz | that's just a matter of dps |
| 23:03.05 | Semlar | there is literally no advantage to using a single person unless you're doing it on heroic because the platform can get hectic |
| 23:03.10 | Gnarfoz | of course heroic |
| 23:03.23 | Semlar | and even then it's questionable |
| 23:03.27 | Gnarfoz | not really |
| 23:03.40 | Gnarfoz | anyway, much fun on Blackfuse :C |
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| 23:04.19 | Gnarfoz | wonder how many tries we will need ^^ |
| 23:04.29 | Semlar | have you killed him yet? |
| 23:04.45 | Gnarfoz | that's why I'm saying tries? :\ |
| 23:05.05 | Gnarfoz | we're at 11/14, he's next, yeah :) |
| 23:05.14 | Semlar | i see |
| 23:05.22 | Gnarfoz | spent one night there so far... a fiery night of fire |
| 23:05.23 | Gnarfoz | and doom |
| 23:05.26 | Gnarfoz | and lasers |
| 23:05.30 | Gnarfoz | and magnets. |
| 23:06.53 | Semlar | well it's advantageous because you don't have to lose any dps just standing around the pipe waiting for their turn |
| 23:07.12 | Semlar | on the other hand it's an exploit so it's a little questionable |
| 23:07.22 | Gnarfoz | they fixed it for all other classes that were able to do it |
| 23:07.40 | Gnarfoz | either they're really dumb (... not impossible) or they don't mind hunters |
| 23:08.01 | Semlar | i guarantee they don't want anyone doing it |
| 23:08.17 | Semlar | it's clearly not part of the fight |
| 23:08.30 | Esamynn|work | but the belt is right there! :P |
| 23:08.41 | Amarande | and yet, that whole "exploit" notion gets so irritating at times |
| 23:08.42 | Neffi | Clever use of game mechanics |
| 23:08.48 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 23:09.17 | Amarande | it's like "DON'T THINK CREATIVELY. WE MEANT THIS FIGHT TO BE WON IN THIS SPECIFIC WAY, DON'T EVEN TRY TO FIGURE WAYS AROUND IT" |
| 23:09.37 | Gnarfoz | I'd typically agree with Semlar on "not intended", but with this (and many similar situations), why would they fiddle with it several times to fix it for others, but leave one possibility in? |
| 23:09.44 | Gnarfoz | could just make the entire belt area apply the debuff |
| 23:09.52 | Gnarfoz | instead of doing it with the pipe |
| 23:10.10 | Semlar | the fight is designed in a way that you aren't supposed to be able to get back up onto the belt after doing it the first time |
| 23:10.12 | Gnarfoz | or make the area impassable |
| 23:10.20 | Gnarfoz | obviously |
| 23:10.25 | Gnarfoz | hence the debuff |
| 23:10.36 | Gnarfoz | well, whatever :| |
| 23:10.42 | Gnarfoz | our hunter isn't there all nights anyway ;p |
| 23:10.43 | Semlar | being able to circumvent that is definitely not intended |
| 23:10.54 | Gnarfoz | and we have bigger issues than hunter or no hunter ^^ |
| 23:11.03 | Gnarfoz | for one: FIIIIREEEEEEEEEEE |
| 23:11.06 | Gnarfoz | everywhere |
| 23:11.53 | Esamynn|work | if they really wanted to block it, there would be an invisible wall to prevent jumping |
| 23:12.24 | Esamynn|work | Gnarfoz: so don't stand in it |
| 23:12.59 | Gnarfoz | Esamynn|work: indeed, the solution is obvious |
| 23:13.05 | Gnarfoz | ;] |
| 23:13.11 | Esamynn|work | you're welcome :) |
| 23:13.28 | Neffi | pours the solution all over Gnarfoz. Gnarfoz goes up in flames. The solution was alcohol. |
| 23:13.38 | Gnarfoz | I'd prefer FOOF |
| 23:13.47 | Gnarfoz | or actually, I don't |
| 23:13.55 | Gnarfoz | FOOF is the stuff of nightmares |
| 23:14.07 | Neffi | o.o |
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| 23:14.30 | Neffi | I'm not sure what foof means, but Urban Dictionary seems to, and I'm wodnering if it agrees with what you mean to say Gnarfoz |
| 23:14.46 | Gnarfoz | if you're googling: check to the right of the results |
| 23:15.17 | Gnarfoz | also, result #2 for me (but I'm logged in, so results may be skewed) is the appropriate one: http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2010/02/23/things_i_wont_work_with_dioxygen_difluoride.php |
| 23:15.53 | Gnarfoz | Urban Dictionary has the appropriate definition as #10 ;) |
| 23:16.11 | Gnarfoz | (although whoever submitted it misspelled it) |
| 23:16.18 | Neffi | Oh I've seen that stuff |
| 23:16.20 | Neffi | scary |
| 23:19.10 | Amarande | hm, I always thought foof was generally equivalent to fart |
| 23:19.17 | Amarande | oh, you mean FOOF as in the chemical formula |
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| 23:21.53 | Dagmar | "Satan's kimchi" is a phrase that's used there and I feel that it is apt |
| 23:24.51 | Semlar-Laptop | neffiii |
| 23:25.05 | Neffi | hello Semlar's laptop |
| 23:25.11 | Semlar-Laptop | herro |
| 23:25.14 | Neffi | Semlar: your laptop is sentient |
| 23:25.23 | Semlar-Laptop | not that sentient |
| 23:29.08 | Semlar-Laptop | neffi what would you do with a taxidermied alligator |
| 23:29.40 | Neffi | why would I have a taxidermied alligator? |
| 23:29.50 | Semlar-Laptop | why would anyone have a taxidermied alligator |
| 23:30.09 | Neffi | I'd probably take it to the local park and leave it there to scare the shit out of the morning runners |
| 23:30.17 | Neffi | Or find some weird guy to sell it to |
| 23:30.22 | Semlar-Laptop | they just bought an elephant head for $9,500 |
| 23:35.08 | Neffi | whose they? |
| 23:35.26 | Semlar-Laptop | you know, they |
| 23:35.52 | Neffi | oh yeah. I dont like them |
| 23:36.10 | Semlar-Laptop | typical |
| 23:36.21 | Neffi | Don't take that tone with me |
| 23:37.59 | Esamynn|work | ~lart Neffi |
| 23:37.59 | purl | tries to shut Neffi up |
| 23:38.01 | Esamynn|work | ~lart Semlar-Laptop |
| 23:38.01 | purl | rm -rf's Semlar-Laptop |
| 23:38.37 | TC-Work | ~nuke Esamynn|work |
| 23:38.37 | purl | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at Esamynn|work ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 23:38.43 | Neffi | So negative Esamynn|work |
| 23:41.08 | Esamynn|work | ~whaleshield |
| 23:41.08 | purl | ACTION summons a rather dense leaden whale named Billy Bob to shield esamynn|work from the blast. |
| 23:51.50 | Semlar-Laptop | Bâ¢â¢M? |
