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| 18:09.59 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://pastebin.com || 5.4.x ToC: 50400 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || UI changes to battle.net chat in 5.4.7: http://bit.ly/1biaLRQ |
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| 18:25.14 | karl_w_w | I'd prefer the chinese to know my secrets than the americans |
| 18:25.40 | TC-Work | Are you sure? |
| 18:25.47 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 18:26.11 | karl_w_w | ever heard of the chinese having somebody in another country arrested and deported for breaking a chinese law? |
| 18:26.22 | karl_w_w | nope, but you can't say the same for the americans |
| 18:27.24 | mikma | karl_w_w: no, they shoot and decapitate the persons breaking the laws |
| 18:27.53 | karl_w_w | much less stress |
| 18:29.09 | TC-Work | Just because you have not heard about it..... |
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| 18:29.17 | TC-Work | They are better at keeping secrets |
| 18:29.52 | karl_w_w | i can only go off what I know :P |
| 18:30.19 | mikma | pervert |
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| 18:50.16 | Ackis | okay I have another css question! what does: .foo1 .foo2 h3{ stuff } do? If I understand correctly (which I probably don't) it means when I have class="foo1" or class="foo2" in a <div> <h3> will be overridden? What else would it affect? |
| 18:51.28 | nevcairiel | it means you need a .foo1, which has a .foo2 descendant, which has h3 descendant |
| 18:51.40 | Dagmar | nevcairiel++ |
| 18:51.58 | nevcairiel | there is no "or" syntax |
| 18:52.00 | Ackis | so google css descendant and that should explain it to me? |
| 18:52.14 | nevcairiel | it means its inside this element |
| 18:52.39 | nevcairiel | <div class="foo1"><div class="foo2><h3>bar</h3></div></div> |
| 18:52.59 | nevcairiel | 2 is a descendant of 1, and h3 of both 1 and 2 |
| 18:53.48 | nevcairiel | read http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/selector.html |
| 18:54.04 | Dagmar | As usual the Stack Overflow hit for that is unusually useful |
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| 18:54.38 | Ackis | Dagmar: I had no idea what to search for, I didn't know it was called a descendant :P |
| 18:55.39 | Dagmar | I know the feeling |
| 18:56.08 | Dagmar | I got to looking because I was wondering about what happens when you nest those things mysefl |
| 18:59.10 | Semlar | weak auras seems to "restart" model animations when a status changes even if it isn't the exact trigger you're watching |
| 18:59.36 | Semlar | for example if i have a trigger based on a specific aura, and i gain or lose ANY aura, it restarts the model animation |
| 18:59.37 | Shirik | sorry Dagmar I had to disappear |
| 18:59.46 | Shirik | thanks for the input Dagmar / TC-Work |
| 18:59.52 | zenzelezz | they finally caught up to you, eh? |
| 19:00.05 | Dagmar | No sweat. We all know this info is kind of annoying to come by |
| 19:00.09 | TC-Work | Quiet zenzelezz |
| 19:05.44 | Shirik | Things only heard in a virtualized work environment: "Hey Matt, can you call me after this?" "I don't have a way to call you right now. Oh wait, I guess I could use my phone to call you." |
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| 19:15.09 | Lopeppeppy | My blowfish needs extra support. |
| 19:18.12 | Ackis | nevcairiel: do you know of a tool that will scan the css sheets and html and determine if the html is trying to use a class that doesn't exist? Firebug/Dust-me will tell me which sheets don't exist and which elements aren't used but that's not what I'm looking for |
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| 19:36.21 | Fisker | Blowfishes Lopeppeppy |
| 19:39.41 | karl_w_w | surrre, who needs sleep when you can chain-watch anime all night |
| 19:39.46 | karl_w_w | hooties Fisker |
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| 19:43.13 | Neffi | Holy hell. News says we have 4 inches of snow so far. I go out to shovel, and it's over a foot |
| 19:43.59 | karl_w_w | if only there was some way to see how much snow there was without relying on the news |
| 19:44.09 | TC-Work | Usually it's exagerated in the other direction. |
| 19:45.02 | Neffi | It was 50 degrees F here yesterday. This shit came out of nowhere. And it's not due to stop till tomorrow. And we're due to get 3 more snow storms this week |
| 19:45.46 | karl_w_w | i guess the world really is ending |
| 19:45.57 | karl_w_w | welp, better keep watching |
| 19:50.44 | pompy | its snowing north and south of me and just a freezing drizzle rain here is all its doing, booo! |
| 19:52.02 | Neffi | lucky sob |
| 19:52.03 | Semlar | it's almost 80 degrees outside right now |
| 19:52.28 | Neffi | ~lart Semlar |
| 19:52.28 | purl | beats the living hamstercrap out of Semlar |
| 19:52.35 | Neffi | Woah purl, too extreme |
| 19:52.45 | Semlar | :l |
| 19:52.46 | Lopeppeppy | purl is one tough lady. |
| 19:53.32 | Semlar | alright i've succeeded in making my weak auras too distracting to pay any attention to what's going on around me |
| 19:54.02 | Semlar | i think my job is done here |
| 19:57.28 | Fisker | why do you assume it's a lady Lopeppeppy ? |
| 19:58.35 | Lopeppeppy | I've always assumed that purl is female, Fisker. Others assume purl is male. It's a fun debate. |
| 19:58.56 | Fisker | sexist |
| 19:59.11 | Lopeppeppy | With shark teeth |
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| 20:00.12 | Fisker | oww |
| 20:00.41 | Neffi | Semlar: Are they also half broken? ;) |
| 20:00.48 | Neffi | If not, your job is never done |
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| 20:10.07 | Fisker | asdfgsfds |
| 20:12.26 | Esamynn|work | jkl';jkl;jh |
| 20:14.43 | Jamash | I didn't know browsers accepted hex-encoded IPv4 addresses |
| 20:14.50 | Neffi | qwertwrew |
| 20:14.54 | Jamash | wtf |
| 20:15.24 | Jamash | it's happened, the virus has activated and reduced everyone else online to incoherent apes |
| 20:15.26 | Jamash | I gotta go |
| 20:15.32 | Shirik | Jamash: is it Windows? |
| 20:15.44 | Jamash | oh, false alarm |
| 20:15.46 | Shirik | I recently found out that Winsock actually accepts some really insane IP address encoding schemes |
| 20:15.48 | Jamash | Shirik: yes |
| 20:15.57 | Shirik | you can mix octal, hex, and decimal all in the same address |
| 20:16.17 | nevcairiel | i think it even takes the full number variant (ie. ip2long) |
| 20:16.32 | Fisker | hehe long |
| 20:16.43 | Shirik | and since basically every tool uses winsock to decode the IP address, they pretty much all support these insane addresses |
| 20:17.21 | Jamash | I'm going to mask this because it's 99% likely to be a malware host but 0X0000##.2##.001##.0x00D# |
| 20:17.43 | Jamash | I fed it to dig on linux and it was like pfft, whatever man |
| 20:17.48 | Shirik | C:\Users\mpdelbuono>ping 0xAD.0302.33.0x27 | Pinging 173.194.33.39 with 32 bytes of data: | Reply from 173.194.33.39: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=51 |
| 20:17.49 | Shirik | for example |
| 20:18.00 | Jamash | didn't try windows ping, lessee |
| 20:18.07 | nevcairiel | it just decodes every component individually |
| 20:18.17 | Jamash | yep, it works |
| 20:18.18 | nevcairiel | wonder if it does binary |
| 20:18.22 | Jamash | that's horrifying |
| 20:18.50 | Jamash | definitely a misfeature |
| 20:19.01 | Shirik | I came across this not too long ago when we were trying to make our networking abstraction layer independent of the OS |
| 20:19.15 | Shirik | and looking for what was different betwen Windows and other OSes |
| 20:19.15 | nevcairiel | and suddenly funny addresses stopped owrking? |
| 20:19.28 | Shirik | nah it was just something I came across in the documentation |
| 20:19.50 | Jamash | according to interbutts it's geolocated in reykjavik |
| 20:20.26 | Kraps | wow i want to play wow so hard |
| 20:20.37 | Jamash | windows is only liberal in what it accepts when you don't want it to be |
| 20:21.14 | Shirik | nevcairiel: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms738563(v=vs.85).aspx |
| 20:21.17 | Shirik | down in the little table |
| 20:21.21 | Shirik | they're like "hey look you can mix them!" |
| 20:21.27 | Shirik | because that's a sane thing to do |
| 20:21.33 | Jamash | I'm surprised firefox doesn't reject goofy IP addresses like that since only malware and scammers use them |
| 20:22.47 | nevcairiel | Shirik: guess no binary then |
| 20:22.54 | Shirik | thank god |
| 20:23.02 | nevcairiel | who uses octal |
| 20:23.24 | Jamash | umask |
| 20:23.35 | Jamash | for ip addresses? nobody |
| 20:25.26 | Jamash | is there an addon for generating logfiles for addon development and debugging purposes? I'm not talking about combat logs or chat logs. |
| 20:25.36 | nevcairiel | you cant write to files |
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| 20:25.54 | Jamash | it could put it in savedvariables |
| 20:26.45 | Jamash | it would not be difficult to munge a savedvariables file into csv or something |
| 20:26.59 | nevcairiel | i suppose |
| 20:27.03 | nevcairiel | not sure whats the big use tbh |
| 20:27.26 | Jamash | basically there are a whole bunch of times that my addon might or might not trigger and I want to log what events do and do not fire, in what order, whenever those things happen |
| 20:28.10 | Jamash | learning/unlearning talents, glyphs, swapping specs, leveling, picking a spec |
| 20:28.54 | Jamash | so I'd like to be able to write an expression like collect all events for X seconds after event Y and put each collected bunch of events in its own bucket |
| 20:29.09 | Jamash | and I'm afraid I'm going to have to write that addon myself :| |
| 20:31.54 | Shirik | amro: ping |
| 20:34.19 | Esamynn|work | Jamash: I would have argued that most ppl online are already incoherent apes |
| 20:35.42 | Fisker | sleep Lopeppeppy |
| 20:37.17 | Jamash | Esamynn|work: ook ook eek eek |
| 20:37.28 | Esamynn|work | precisely |
| 20:37.55 | Esamynn|work | though that is surprisingly comprehensible for the internet :P |
| 20:38.25 | Lopeppeppy | Once I go home, Fisker. Like... 4 more hours. |
| 20:40.47 | Fisker | 4 more hours?! |
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| 20:40.50 | Fisker | :( |
| 20:41.05 | Fisker | prays for the safe return of Lopeppeppy |
| 20:42.27 | Lopeppeppy | I get done in an hour, I drive for an hour, I have errands to do for an hour, and then some soup and then bed. 4 hours is do-able. |
| 20:43.20 | Ackis | holy shit the head person where I work makes $22,222k bi-weekly |
| 20:43.22 | Ackis | dafuq |
| 20:43.37 | VIad | not sure how to fix this mess guys :( |
| 20:44.24 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1391460262.jpeg |
| 20:44.27 | VIad | -_- |
| 20:44.37 | VIad | custom font makes pitbull die |
| 20:44.39 | VIad | prat3 dies too |
| 20:44.48 | VIad | like 99% of all addons die and can't process russian letters |
| 20:44.53 | VIad | luckily the tooltip can :P |
| 20:45.16 | VIad | any ideas? |
| 20:45.27 | Jamash | is it unicode or an 8-bit font |
| 20:45.43 | Lopeppeppy | Pitbull is delicate! Graceful! |
| 20:46.05 | Lopeppeppy | It does not speak Russian? |
| 20:46.15 | Lopeppeppy | Beat it with a stick. |
| 20:46.44 | Ackis | VIad: stop playing in russian? |
| 20:47.04 | VIad | my realm is joined with a couple of russian realms :P |
| 20:47.15 | VIad | but each time they join my LFG or anything my chat breaks |
| 20:47.18 | Jamash | Vlad: What font, exactly, are you using? |
| 20:47.27 | VIad | I replace the default font in Fonts\ |
| 20:47.30 | VIad | but only the normal one |
| 20:47.34 | VIad | not the other locales |
| 20:47.37 | Jamash | Vlad: with what? |
| 20:47.51 | VIad | Helvetica Narrow |
| 20:47.59 | VIad | it doesn't have russian |
| 20:48.16 | VIad | but the default game applies the proper font to the strings usually |
| 20:48.19 | VIad | like the game tooltip |
| 20:48.41 | VIad | usually it's my custom font, but when I mouseover a russian guy the game automatically swaps the font with the russian one |
| 20:48.54 | Jamash | Vlad: So get a font with russian? |
| 20:48.56 | VIad | I hoped same would happen with pitbull/prat and other addons like this - grid2 not to forget |
| 20:48.59 | VIad | sigh |
| 20:49.47 | Jamash | Vlad: If you have a font editor you could replace just the glyphs you use in the default font with the ones from your favored font |
| 20:50.36 | VIad | but |
| 20:50.41 | Jamash | I know exactly nothing about the niceties of font editing though |
| 20:51.30 | VIad | let me shutdown my game |
| 20:51.31 | VIad | and open the mpq |
| 20:51.40 | VIad | and check if the fonts folder contained a font per locale basis |
| 20:51.53 | VIad | or if all is ine one compilation of a font |
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| 20:55.04 | Ackis | http://i.imgur.com/FppfraQ.jpg |
| 20:55.06 | Esamynn|work | I have to believe that it would be all one... how would the game client actually know what locale chat text is going to be in? |
| 20:55.50 | Jamash | I see some fonts with a suffix _CYR which is likely cyrillic |
| 20:56.35 | Esamynn|work | though it could be split into different code points |
| 20:56.38 | Esamynn|work | rather than by locale |
| 20:57.25 | Neffi | Ackis: lol |
| 20:57.29 | Jamash | Esamynn|work: most likely |
| 20:57.52 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 20:58.03 | Jamash | Ackis: ew |
| 20:58.30 | Arrowmaster | damnit BF4 crashed |
| 20:58.39 | VIad | here we go |
| 21:00.56 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: doesn't that go without saying? |
| 21:01.05 | VIad | Jamash: yeah there is a normal and a _CYR version |
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| 21:05.16 | Esamynn|work | VIad: for each font? |
| 21:05.22 | VIad | nah |
| 21:05.23 | VIad | for some |
| 21:05.31 | VIad | frizqt morpheus and skurri |
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| 21:05.37 | VIad | the chat, quest log and last one I forgot :P |
| 21:05.59 | Fisker | I miss Lopeppeppy |
| 21:06.02 | Esamynn|work | so not for the number fonts then? |
| 21:06.16 | Fisker | so I can insist on a good night |
| 21:07.26 | VIad | shrug |
| 21:07.33 | VIad | trying to check out the new font situation with mop |
| 21:07.38 | Lopeppeppy | I miss me too, Fisker. |
| 21:07.41 | VIad | and to see if I can still have a custom font without breaking the game :( |
| 21:09.20 | Jamash | skurri is damage/parry/miss indicators on unit frames |
| 21:09.29 | Esamynn|work | I do find it odd that the tooltip would work with the custom font, but addon stuff wouldn't |
| 21:09.42 | VIad | wtf |
| 21:09.45 | VIad | removed all my fonts |
| 21:09.52 | VIad | russian font still don't appear |
| 21:09.57 | VIad | (this is at the realmlist dialog) |
| 21:10.00 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 21:10.10 | Jamash | did you completely exit wow? |
| 21:10.10 | VIad | game broken? |
| 21:10.15 | VIad | yes |
| 21:10.28 | Jamash | huh |
| 21:10.30 | VIad | renamed my Fonts folder to something else |
| 21:10.34 | VIad | booted up the game normally |
| 21:10.43 | VIad | everything is back to normal, looking like shit |
| 21:10.47 | Jamash | scan and repair? |
| 21:10.51 | VIad | russian text strings don't appear at the realmlist |
| 21:10.54 | VIad | sure I can do that |
| 21:10.58 | VIad | can also clear the cache folder |
| 21:11.25 | Esamynn|work | is the repair tool still there? I couldn't find it the last time I went looking for it |
| 21:11.39 | Esamynn|work | iirc |
| 21:11.54 | VIad | it is |
| 21:12.01 | VIad | the options button opens a menu |
| 21:12.03 | Jamash | In the bnet desktop app it's in the options gear |
| 21:12.10 | Esamynn|work | ahhhh |
| 21:12.16 | Esamynn|work | but of course |
| 21:12.37 | VIad | if repair don't fix it |
| 21:12.43 | VIad | and I've cleared both my cache folder by deleting them |
| 21:12.46 | VIad | I am unsure why this is |
| 21:12.53 | VIad | anyone else from EU that can check their realmlist? |
| 21:13.00 | VIad | see if the russian tab shows the text properly |
| 21:13.05 | VIad | it HAS done it in the past, that I remember |
| 21:13.09 | VIad | really odd it doesn't anymore |
| 21:14.21 | nevcairiel | nope all blank |
| 21:14.27 | VIad | whyyy? |
| 21:14.29 | VIad | broken |
| 21:14.30 | Esamynn|work | hahahaha' |
| 21:14.36 | nevcairiel | who cares about dem russians |
| 21:14.46 | VIad | my realm is joined with a russian one |
| 21:14.50 | VIad | I can meet russians in LFG |
| 21:14.52 | VIad | their names are blank |
| 21:14.58 | VIad | only the game tooltip shows it properly :( |
| 21:15.05 | Esamynn|work | O_o |
| 21:15.13 | Esamynn|work | what font does the tooltip use? |
| 21:15.18 | VIad | shrug |
| 21:15.24 | Esamynn|work | that's likely the difference |
| 21:15.32 | VIad | I extracted the default fonts |
| 21:15.35 | VIad | those I myself repalced |
| 21:15.37 | VIad | replaced* |
| 21:15.42 | VIad | then I installed them and looked at charmap |
| 21:15.48 | VIad | the fonts didn't include any russian |
| 21:16.00 | VIad | i.e. the game might SetFont on the text object when it needs russian |
| 21:16.09 | VIad | I think russian is 2000 or something, or another of the 10 other non-standard fonts |
| 21:16.14 | Esamynn|work | I find that unlikely |
| 21:16.24 | VIad | copyrights |
| 21:16.28 | VIad | might not be so unlikely |
| 21:16.37 | nevcairiel | its actually that stupid, it switches the fonts around when it thinks it needs to render russian |
| 21:16.48 | Esamynn|work | really? |
| 21:16.49 | VIad | see... nevcairiel got my back |
| 21:17.13 | VIad | biggest question is how to implement this logic in our addons :P |
| 21:17.14 | nevcairiel | the russian font has the default ASCII chars, but it lacks the special european chars, like á |
| 21:17.20 | VIad | pitbull4, grid2, prat3, broken because of this |
| 21:17.20 | nevcairiel | so you cant default to that either |
| 21:17.33 | nevcairiel | VIad: use a font that supports both |
| 21:17.39 | VIad | yeah :( |
| 21:17.44 | VIad | I wanted to do this |
| 21:17.47 | VIad | http://superuser.com/questions/490922/merging-two-font-into-one |
| 21:17.56 | VIad | use fontforge and merge my font with the default russian one |
| 21:18.03 | Esamynn|work | seems to me it would be easier to store the russian font as a "part" of the regular one, and just load code points from it as necessary |
| 21:18.05 | VIad | or other way around |
| 21:18.12 | VIad | apply the russian glyphs to my custom font |
| 21:18.16 | Esamynn|work | actually switching fonts when it thinks it needs to seems overly complicated |
| 21:18.18 | Esamynn|work | and error prone |
| 21:18.27 | VIad | Esamynn|work: copyrights |
| 21:18.27 | nevcairiel | they probably cant control the font files because of license reasons |
| 21:18.35 | VIad | if 2002b.tff comes with a license |
| 21:18.39 | VIad | they can't change the font |
| 21:18.44 | VIad | or use the contents in their own font |
| 21:18.46 | nevcairiel | maybe they will fix that in WoD |
| 21:18.48 | VIad | instead they keep it as-is |
| 21:18.52 | VIad | I hope they do nevcairiel |
| 21:18.56 | nevcairiel | it was only introduced in some minor p atch |
| 21:19.04 | nevcairiel | not that i care much, DE realms dont get joined with russians |
| 21:19.18 | VIad | lucky |
| 21:19.29 | Esamynn|work | maybe I jsut don't know enough to understand why what I'm thinking wouldn't work |
| 21:20.05 | Esamynn|work | or perhaps it would be more complicated than I think |
| 21:20.06 | nevcairiel | it all seems like a quick hack, so they may fix it later |
| 21:20.10 | VIad | LOL |
| 21:20.18 | VIad | game want's to download 6GB of data |
| 21:20.33 | VIad | maybe it redownloads what I deleted when I removed the cache folders? |
| 21:20.47 | nevcairiel | cache is filled on the fly |
| 21:20.51 | nevcairiel | unless you deleted more... |
| 21:21.07 | VIad | actually |
| 21:21.12 | VIad | the repair tool makes my cache folder grow atm |
| 21:21.13 | VIad | :D |
| 21:21.17 | VIad | under data |
| 21:21.26 | VIad | ah |
| 21:21.33 | VIad | it also redownloads all the wow-update-base-# files |
| 21:21.45 | VIad | just for the lolz I guess - they were there before but I guess it just wants to be safe :P |
| 21:21.54 | VIad | anyway AFK getting my pizza - then I'll be back to try fix the font issue |
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| 22:00.46 | Semlar_ | dammit neffi |
| 22:04.37 | Neffi | what did I do this time Semlar? |
| 22:04.48 | Semlar | stop breaking freenode |
| 22:04.58 | Sintacks | slaps neffi around a bit with a large trout | 4,819 tributes to Monty Python |
| 22:05.22 | Semlar | i can't seem to detect frost trap activating in the combat log |
| 22:05.51 | Sintacks | which one is that. i can never reemmber which is which |
| 22:05.51 | Neffi | It should apply an area |
| 22:05.53 | Neffi | aura |
| 22:05.57 | Semlar | as far as i can tell there is an event when the trap is created, and when a unit is slowed by it it applies an aura to itself |
| 22:05.58 | Neffi | AoE snare, Sintacks |
| 22:06.01 | Sintacks | k |
| 22:06.07 | Sintacks | freezing is the complete CC |
| 22:06.12 | Neffi | yesm Semlar |
| 22:06.18 | Semlar | yes, but the unit casts the aura on itself |
| 22:06.20 | Neffi | yes sin |
| 22:06.44 | Semlar | i can't detect that MY frost trap went off |
| 22:07.44 | Neffi | oh, right |
| 22:07.45 | Neffi | hmm |
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| 22:08.17 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.17 | Shirik | sooooo |
| 22:08.24 | Shirik | my server is reporting irc.freenode.net doesn't exist o.o |
| 22:09.02 | TC-Work | They moved to darknet. |
| 22:09.47 | Neffi | I don't think it's possible to detect *your* frost trap, semmi |
| 22:09.48 | Shirik | does anyone know the IP? |
| 22:10.02 | Semlar | i don't think so either |
| 22:10.31 | Semlar | there isn't an event when the trap activates |
| 22:10.36 | Semlar | which is what i would need to track |
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| 22:11.45 | Semlar | i want to show how much longer my trap is going to last :l |
| 22:12.33 | Neffi | Well, if you're the only one who cast Frost Trap, then you can safely assume the next Frost Trap aura applied is from yours activating |
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| 22:12.41 | Semlar | i could assume |
| 22:12.48 | Neffi | But afaik that's as good as you can get |
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| 22:13.44 | Semlar | there used to be 2 traps, ice trap, which froze the target, and frost trap, which slowed them |
| 22:13.56 | Semlar | at some point they decided that was too confusing |
| 22:14.03 | Neffi | Ice = Freezing |
| 22:14.04 | Semlar | so they renamed FROST TRAP to ICE TRAP |
| 22:14.08 | Shirik | Thunder_Child_ is victorious |
| 22:14.12 | Neffi | wait what Semlar |
| 22:14.25 | Semlar | and ICE TRAP is now FREEZING TRAP |
| 22:14.35 | Neffi | And Frost is Ice? |
| 22:14.39 | Neffi | when tf did this happen? |
| 22:14.44 | Semlar | it was quite a long time ago |
| 22:14.50 | Semlar | but i refuse to call frost trap ice trap |
| 22:14.56 | Neffi | Last I played a hunter was vanilla |
| 22:15.06 | Semlar | the original names made sense |
| 22:15.14 | Semlar | i don't know why they changed them |
| 22:31.50 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.15 | Shirik | nevcairiel: apparently you were right about winsock's handling of a single integer as an IP address |
| 22:32.49 | Neffi | cool |
| 22:33.04 | Shirik | C:\Users\mpdelbuono>ping 2130706433 Pinging 127.0.0.1 with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 127.0.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128 |
| 22:33.24 | Shirik | it also allows you to do 2-part and 3-part addresses, like 127.1 and 127.0.1 |
| 22:33.36 | haste | there was a post on hacker news about this a while ago |
| 22:33.46 | haste | seeing as browsers accept those as well |
| 22:34.05 | Semlar | Neffi: i want to add player and target frames to either side |
| 22:34.07 | Shirik | yeah about a month ago I was running through some documentation and found out about the fact that you can mix hex, decimal, and octal all together |
| 22:34.18 | Shirik | and since it's at the winsock level, basically every application allows it |
| 22:34.57 | Neffi | Semlar: imo every HUD out there is ugly |
| 22:35.02 | Neffi | That's why I rolled my own UFs |
| 22:35.10 | Shirik | every HUD is ugly |
| 22:35.15 | Semlar | the little yellow orbs are focus |
| 22:35.16 | Shirik | so I ran /script UIParent:Hide() |
| 22:36.18 | Neffi | but then how does u play? |
| 22:36.37 | Semlar | there are a few more things it does like tell me when i don't have a pet and there are some more things i want to add |
| 22:37.24 | zenzelezz | "New twitter interface suffers from same critical flaw as old one: it is filled with tweets" |
| 22:38.32 | Dagmar | Definitely a bug |
| 22:38.46 | Esamynn|work | twits on twitter tweet |
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| 22:46.38 | nevcairiel | Shirik: i used to use the long number to store it in a database numeric field instead of string, i played around with it a bit then :d |
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| 22:55.39 | Gnarfoz | lol I used that 15 years ago on warez boards herp derp |
| 22:55.49 | Gnarfoz | so 1337 |
| 23:06.19 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/dKuuH.gif |
| 23:11.30 | Shirik | Cairenn: ^ |
| 23:11.44 | Cairenn | dawwwww |
| 23:13.26 | Arrowmaster | buahahaha i love small maps on battlefield where i can effectively use a shotgun |
| 23:13.34 | Arrowmaster | 20k/5d |
| 23:13.58 | Arrowmaster | and i dont even have slugs yet |
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| 23:23.02 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: remember the olden days of FPS where the shotguns were king? :) |
| 23:23.42 | Amarande | there was something inherently SATISFYING about a one shot kill with the SSG in Doom 2 |
| 23:23.58 | Amarande | quite possibly because you actually had to be close up and Rambo about it |
| 23:24.21 | Amarande | as opposed to today's one-shot kill FPS weapons, which are mostly designed to be carefully sniper aimed from a long ways away like a wuss :) |
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| 23:27.56 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: but i like OSK'ing snipers from completely across the map with slug shotgun |
| 23:28.07 | Mr_Rabies | actually i feel modern FPSes have really crap shotguns |
| 23:28.25 | Arrowmaster | battlefield has good shotguns |
| 23:28.26 | Mr_Rabies | because they're only useful from close range |
| 23:28.41 | Mr_Rabies | as a balance perspective it makes sense but they're mostly useless as a result |
| 23:28.46 | Mr_Rabies | and not very realistic |
| 23:28.47 | Amarande | yeah, that's the thing, there seems to be less close range combat nowadays in fps |
| 23:28.48 | Arrowmaster | cod has terrible shotguns |
| 23:28.58 | Amarande | well, except for the classic "sneak up behind them with the knife/silly halo plasma sword" stuff |
| 23:29.02 | Amarande | which is also kind of wussy |
| 23:29.09 | Arrowmaster | cod shotguns seems to have a distance where they will go from instakill to zero damage |
| 23:29.12 | Mr_Rabies | the only good shotguns in BFBC2 are swapping to slugs |
| 23:29.14 | Amarande | yeah, wussification is probably sadly an accurate term for the evolution of FPS |
| 23:29.24 | Mr_Rabies | and using them as sniper rifles |
| 23:29.26 | Amarande | remember the run and gun, pell mell Rambo style Doom was famous for? |
| 23:29.32 | Mr_Rabies | and that's the last BF game i'll likely ever play |
| 23:29.37 | Amarande | you barely seem to see that anymore at all, now it's "oh we want to be more military special ops realistic" :P |
| 23:29.39 | Neffi | knifes Amarande. |
| 23:30.04 | Mr_Rabies | the saiga with slugs was brutal in BC2 |
| 23:30.09 | znf | http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ultimate+Bashrc+File?content=129746 <-- someone went trough a lot of trouble to create a 515KB .bashrc |
| 23:30.17 | Mr_Rabies | i love using it as a semi-auto rifle basically |
| 23:30.24 | Amarande | back in the Doom days, you got dissed for being too much of a cautious cover-lover, heh |
| 23:30.37 | Amarande | they called it bourlasing :P |
| 23:31.48 | Amarande | and levels that encouraged it were generally not particularly well-loved by the game community LOL |
| 23:32.39 | Amarande | (at least unless you were doing certain challenge-style plays, in which case sometimes a map that didn't normally need it did under those circumstances, e.g. Hell Revealed map23 with fast monsters) |
| 23:33.14 | Mr_Rabies | i mostly played console games in those days, but i played a lot of tribes in the early 2000s |
| 23:33.40 | Mr_Rabies | and taking cover is worse than actually just using your movement abilities to keep on the move |
| 23:34.16 | Mr_Rabies | that's actually why i liked MW2 so much, it could support a quake-esque playstyle until it got nerfed into the ground |
| 23:34.37 | Mr_Rabies | dual shotgun with all the movement enhancement perks was basically quake |
| 23:34.52 | Mr_Rabies | dual 1870 or whatever |
| 23:34.59 | Amarande | The ideal Doom map would give you perhaps a moment's respite at the beginning in order to get your bearings (especially earlier on where people still played it on 486s and the like where you had to worry about loading time and not actually getting the full 35 FPS) |
| 23:35.24 | Amarande | and then, once the action started, you were generally expected to keep moving ... to be "militarily realistic" and sniping from your cubby hole was to be punished |
| 23:35.34 | Neffi | 35 fps? what a weird number |
| 23:35.37 | Amarande | generally by there being monsters you didn't notice coming up from behind and plugging you :) |
| 23:36.34 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjhx_K3_wco |
| 23:36.38 | Amarande | Neffi: 35 is the highest "useful" framerate in DOOM (at least, ports that stay faithful to classic demo compatibility) |
| 23:36.52 | Mr_Rabies | i used to literally just run across the map doing this |
| 23:36.59 | Mr_Rabies | playing it basically like quake minus bunny hopping |
| 23:37.31 | Amarande | the Doom engine basically processed things in a kind of turn based manner ... 35 'gametics' occurred per second during which actions were processed |
| 23:37.47 | Amarande | so even if you can render more than 35 FPS, only 35 frames of action ever actually happen each second |
| 23:38.10 | Amarande | Diablo 2 did a similar thing as I recall (with the magic number being 25 frames of 'actual action' per second) |
| 23:38.23 | Mr_Rabies | source has a gametics system of sorts |
| 23:38.37 | Mr_Rabies | good servers tend to run >100fps generally i think? |
| 23:38.47 | Mr_Rabies | but i think it can be as low as 30 |
| 23:39.56 | Amarande | Doom did also have the "timedemo" format that basically gives unlimited framerate, but that's only available during demo playback, not during actual gameplay |
| 23:40.32 | Amarande | and that's basically just a raw "render every gametic one by one as fast as the computer can" switch |
| 23:40.55 | Mr_Rabies | oh neat, metal slug on steam |
| 23:41.01 | Amarande | (on old 486s, it would actually render slower, but by the days of the DX2 and Pentium, it would speed up watching a recording) |
| 23:41.05 | Mr_Rabies | http://store.steampowered.com/app/250180/ |
| 23:41.09 | Mr_Rabies | kinda sucks it's just metal slug 3 |
| 23:41.15 | Mr_Rabies | and not a collection |
| 23:41.19 | Mr_Rabies | with metal slug X, etc |
| 23:41.28 | Mr_Rabies | i'd love for hard corps: uprising to hit steam |
| 23:41.34 | Mr_Rabies | that game was so awesome |
| 23:44.47 | ccox | What's the name of that sinking feeling you get when you're searching for previous research for the area you're working on, and can't find any (even after attempting many creative search terms) ? |
| 23:45.59 | Dagmar | It's probably in russian. |
| 23:46.16 | Amarande | ccox: "unwilling pioneer status"? |
| 23:46.19 | Dagmar | They're very good with expressions meaning "You are fuckin' doomed." |
| 23:46.31 | znf | Can someone that has an UTF-8 terminal give me the results of echo ∴ → ☿ ★ | hexdump - ? |
| 23:46.34 | ccox | "I'm gonna have to publish"? |
| 23:46.39 | znf | my KiTTY apparently fails on it |
| 23:46.43 | ccox | "and write grant and patent applications"? |
| 23:46.52 | Dagmar | heh |
| 23:48.47 | ccox | Dagmar: I already searched for common terms in Russian, French, and Chinese (even though I doubt any of them have researched this area). |
| 23:53.18 | VIad | I managed to somehow make a hotfix to my russian problem |
| 23:53.31 | VIad | added russian glyphs to my helvatica narrow font |
| 23:56.27 | *** join/#wowuidev tharper (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 23:58.36 | Semlar-Laptop | adds russian glyphs to neffi |
