| 00:03.44 | Dagmar | Well, lets see you hack up a horse to look like a llama and see what kind of names people call you. ;) |
| 00:04.40 | Corrodias2 | "doctor" :V |
| 00:06.31 | Kesava | "epic wtf" |
| 00:23.48 | airtonix | http://discretestates.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/response-to-math-is-not-necessary-for.html |
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| 00:26.44 | airtonix | Corrodias2: i'm not even convinced he used the original body. |
| 00:28.41 | airtonix | in fact i'm pretty sure they started with a crashed mustang shell and just moved the engine and removable parts of the lamborghini |
| 00:37.49 | ccox | airtonix: duh, programming is applied mathematics: graph theory, map theories, |
| 00:38.50 | ccox | combinatorics, and occasional use of geometry, algebra, calculus, and differential equations (ok, maybe I just do that more than most) |
| 01:25.27 | Kraps | gosh i feel like starting wow again |
| 01:25.45 | Kraps | with a disc/holy priest for some reason |
| 01:37.46 | Amarande | heh, I'm still sticking to not doing so until the xpack hits |
| 01:38.17 | Amarande | gear demands for raiding are horribly high at this point, and if you don't have your leg quest finished you basically need not apply, or so /2 LFM's appear |
| 01:38.30 | Amarande | and besides, I'd rather not do up a nice UI and then have to tear it all down again when 6.0.1 hits :p |
| 01:43.24 | Kraps | i'm not even thinking of raiding |
| 01:43.42 | Kraps | i didnt even do a third of mists |
| 01:56.55 | Amarande | And besides, I'm busy with LOTRO, and TOR also beckons |
| 01:57.03 | Amarande | And possibly FF14 at some point |
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| 02:03.54 | Jamash | tor is just orcs in space |
| 02:04.03 | Jamash | without the orcs |
| 02:04.16 | Thunder_Child | scro actually |
| 02:04.40 | Jamash | Thunder_Child: quiet, you |
| 02:05.37 | Thunder_Child | Not my fault you can't use the correct terminology |
| 02:05.39 | Jamash | I'd play spelljammer online actually |
| 02:05.44 | Jamash | if there was one |
| 02:06.05 | Jamash | why is there no space fantasy mmo |
| 02:06.06 | Thunder_Child | I think it would be better as a single player game, but I would try it. |
| 02:06.26 | Thunder_Child | Because the two don't usually go together. |
| 02:06.51 | Jamash | I made up a homebrew pseudo-spelljammer setting for 4e |
| 02:07.33 | Thunder_Child | At least make it pathfinder |
| 02:08.03 | Jamash | the secret backstory was that some idiot blew up Sigil while trying to kill the lady of pain by shorting the positive and negative energy planes through some portals |
| 02:08.23 | Jamash | and that caused the entire planar wheel to collapse into the prime material plane |
| 02:08.41 | Jamash | thus, D&D in space |
| 02:08.51 | Thunder_Child | Great, your whole story is based on 'reversing the polarity'. |
| 02:09.20 | Jamash | "The Spelljammer" was actually the remains of Sigil that became sentient and flew around the galaxy trying to find all the bits that the lady of pain was blown into |
| 02:09.33 | Jamash | I never claimed it wasn't silly |
| 02:09.41 | Jamash | I don't really do "not silly" |
| 02:09.51 | Dagmar | Wildstar doesn't count? |
| 02:10.05 | Jamash | isn't that the made up mmo from The Trenches |
| 02:10.15 | Jamash | oh no wait that was Lawstar |
| 02:10.32 | Jamash | I know exactly nothing about Wildstar |
| 02:10.43 | Jamash | except that it exists, and is a game, and it is called Wildstar |
| 02:11.28 | Thunder_Child | That kinda blurs the lines |
| 02:11.37 | Dagmar | I was considering checking out the beta, but I don't know if they just give you a key for signing up for it, or if there's stsill a waiting period |
| 02:11.58 | Thunder_Child | waiting |
| 02:12.15 | Thunder_Child | I had one, but I had to pass it along |
| 02:12.28 | Dagmar | I'm not that terribly interested, to be honest |
| 02:12.30 | pompy | are they still gunna be doing the ESO beta weekends with 9 weekends left till release? (dunno if they announced one for this weekend) |
| 02:12.44 | Dagmar | They didn't announce one for this weekend |
| 02:13.24 | Jamash | oh it's a sixty dollar mmo with a subscription |
| 02:13.27 | Jamash | that's cute |
| 02:13.39 | Jamash | next please |
| 02:13.50 | Dagmar | ...hehe |
| 02:14.16 | Dagmar | With the way most of these things go it just means waiting about 3-5 months before they go F2P |
| 02:14.33 | Dagmar | ...but we'll see if their gold for playtime thing works out |
| 02:14.44 | Jamash | hell, tor is "free" and I'm not even bothering because I don't want to download 20GB for something I'd just dick around with every so often |
| 02:15.15 | Dagmar | I'm not sure I like the idea of them incorporating a mechanic by which mindless grinding can be done for playtime |
| 02:15.54 | Dagmar | Jamash: Oh I'd say a bigger reason to steer clear is that it's still clunky |
| 02:15.58 | Mr_Rabies | weee |
| 02:16.01 | Jamash | EVE has PLEX, I've never heard anyone complain about that |
| 02:16.10 | Mr_Rabies | time to get rid of a guild member that probably has some serious undiagnosed mental conditions |
| 02:16.15 | Dagmar | That's becasue the people who play Eve know they're signing up for a second job |
| 02:17.06 | Jamash | yeah, Eve doesn't have to go F2P because they've cornered the market for CPAs who want to fly spaceships |
| 02:17.23 | Dagmar | Exactly |
| 02:17.44 | Dagmar | They don't do expansions so much as they add more layers to the onion |
| 02:18.20 | Jamash | I'd love to play eve, except I want to also do other things with my life |
| 02:18.35 | Dagmar | I have tried on three separate occasions |
| 02:18.41 | Jamash | I played the free trial once |
| 02:19.12 | Dagmar | I keep missing the balance between being stoned enough to tolerate the complexity, and being so stoned it just turns meaningless and I get bored |
| 02:19.13 | Jamash | and I've read reports of the gooning and watched videos of ridiculously slowed down battles |
| 02:19.51 | Dagmar | $200,000 worth of ISK destroyed in one battle. All I can say about that is "Good for you guys. *headpat*" |
| 02:20.35 | Jamash | if they're having fun, then good on them |
| 02:20.49 | Jamash | I admire and/or fear that level of dedication |
| 02:21.11 | Iriel | I played eve for a while, it was fun but I knew getting SERIOUS about it would require more cognitive investment than I was willing to put in. |
| 02:21.32 | Dagmar | Yeah WAY too much work |
| 02:21.37 | Jamash | I love spreadsheets |
| 02:21.40 | Iriel | I did manage to get a friend interested in it, he got podded during the event that caused that 200K news thing, but not in the main battle. |
| 02:21.46 | Jamash | I make spreadsheets when I don't need to |
| 02:22.49 | Jamash | I have created two open office Base databases for tracking my progress in square enix rpgs |
| 02:23.16 | Torhal | throws Jamash into a cubicle at an Accounting firm. |
| 02:23.17 | Jamash | so, yes, Eve is appealing to me in ways I am almost ashamed to admit |
| 02:23.44 | Jamash | Torhal: dude have you played FFTA or TWEWY? |
| 02:23.49 | Jamash | so many goddamn items |
| 02:23.54 | Torhal | Newp |
| 02:23.56 | Iriel | Jamash: Eve isn't bad, it's just.. eve |
| 02:24.01 | Jamash | I almost wrote "square eyonix" |
| 02:24.07 | Iriel | Jamash: If you have thick skin and it sounds appealing you SHOULD try it out |
| 02:24.32 | Jamash | I don't have thick skin, it bums me out when I get ganked while pet battling and I have to spend thirty seconds corpse running |
| 02:24.44 | Jamash | that's why I'm never going to play eve seriously |
| 02:25.20 | Dagmar | I was under the impression there were non-PvP areas one could stay in |
| 02:25.23 | Iriel | Anyone else here in the elite: dangerous alpha? |
| 02:25.25 | Jamash | 'cause I'd want to get into the depths of nullsec except it would drive my anxiety levels sky high |
| 02:25.33 | Iriel | Dagmar: there are, but the fun stuff isn't in those areas |
| 02:25.34 | Jamash | Dagmar: but they're boring |
| 02:25.55 | Jamash | Iriel: no but tell me more |
| 02:26.42 | Jamash | hm speaking of space I bought strike suit zero and haven't played it |
| 02:26.52 | Jamash | to the steam library! |
| 02:28.00 | Jamash | only elite game I've ever gotten into was Privateer |
| 02:30.26 | Iriel | Jamash: Well, it's only single player right now but it's looking promising thus far.. Multiplayer alpha soon. It doesn't have star citizen's budget but there's room for 2 space sims 8-) |
| 02:30.56 | Jamash | I'd like a good solid single player space sim |
| 02:31.08 | Iriel | Well, Star Citizen will have Squadron 42 |
| 02:31.12 | Iriel | its single player piece |
| 02:35.15 | Jamash | but is it wing commander or elite |
| 02:36.23 | Iriel | Star Citizen/SQ 42 is more wing commander |
| 02:36.29 | Iriel | Elite: Dangerous is Elite |
| 02:37.00 | Iriel | I haven't actually paid enough attention to tell you how viable elite's single player is, or if it's exclusively MP. |
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| 03:19.03 | Dagmar | Elite: Dangerous DO WANT |
| 03:19.27 | Dagmar | Elite was one of the first games I pirated that I was pissed I couldn't find a legit copy of in a store |
| 03:19.32 | znf | silly question - how do I figure out the maximum number of files per directory on ext3? |
| 03:20.00 | Dagmar | znf: There's no per-directory limit, but each file _will_ consume at least one inode. |
| 03:20.05 | Dagmar | That's your other limit |
| 03:20.22 | kd3 | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ext3+max+files+in+directory |
| 03:20.31 | znf | because I realized that a few years ago I never accounted for that... and: |
| 03:20.35 | znf | ]# ls -1 | wc -l |
| 03:20.36 | znf | 126843 |
| 03:20.42 | Dagmar | Dayum |
| 03:20.46 | kd3 | holy crap |
| 03:20.58 | Dagmar | I bet that one gets fun if you accidentally let ls try to sort those |
| 03:21.56 | Iriel | Dagmar: I also pirated it back in the day - but more because I was young and penniless |
| 03:22.12 | Iriel | It was one of those formative games tho, unlike its peers |
| 03:22.13 | znf | kd3, I want an exact number! :P |
| 03:22.26 | Dagmar | Iriel: I've never seen anything like it since |
| 03:22.39 | Iriel | Braben gave a pretty interesting talk at GDC about the challenges at the time and the tricks they used to make it |
| 03:22.40 | Dagmar | znf: Each one's going to consume an inode |
| 03:23.11 | Dagmar | znf: This is why there's `df -i` |
| 03:23.34 | Dagmar | Generally when you start approaching a limit, you're doing something with the filesystem that should be in a "real" database |
| 03:23.40 | Iriel | They don't all consume an in ode if they're hard links 8-) |
| 03:23.56 | znf | those aren't inodes, they're .jpgs :P |
| 03:24.01 | Dagmar | Don't mke me pinch you |
| 03:24.07 | znf | erm |
| 03:24.10 | znf | I mean, aren't hard links |
| 03:24.31 | Dagmar | znf: Don't worry, anyone making jillions of hard limks should be euthanized |
| 03:24.44 | Iriel | They're probably already crazy |
| 03:25.09 | znf | I never thought this will generate _that_ many thumbnials |
| 03:25.26 | Iriel | generally if you have zillions of tiny files you want to be packing them into container files |
| 03:25.37 | Dagmar | i.e., some actual database |
| 03:25.54 | znf | ../rsr/url/cache/thumb]# du -hs |
| 03:25.54 | znf | 1.8G . |
| 03:26.00 | znf | that's a big database? |
| 03:26.13 | Iriel | that's a pretty small database |
| 03:26.20 | znf | (would it translate directly to that size?) |
| 03:26.29 | Iriel | How large on average are the thumbnails? |
| 03:26.38 | Iriel | and what's your filesystem block size |
| 03:26.43 | znf | 4096 |
| 03:26.53 | znf | well, now, how would I find out what my avg. size is? :> |
| 03:27.06 | Dagmar | Lots of math |
| 03:27.08 | znf | I obviously can't ls in that directory |
| 03:27.10 | kd3 | num files/total size? |
| 03:27.34 | Dagmar | Maybe write a tiny shell script |
| 03:27.53 | znf | I guess it's anywhere around 4k -> 20k |
| 03:28.03 | Iriel | 14.19K |
| 03:28.27 | Iriel | so your db would probably be a ~around~ the same size |
| 03:28.47 | Iriel | depending on what you use as your index |
| 03:29.15 | Iriel | Does ext3 at least use non-linear directory access? |
| 03:29.25 | Dagmar | For sure every file you're making now consumes a minum of 4k |
| 03:29.26 | Iriel | most folks structure cache directories hierarchially |
| 03:29.50 | Dagmar | There's not any real point to doing that under Linux |
| 03:30.10 | znf | Iriel, well, like I said, when I made this I wasn't expecting it to blow up at 120k++ records |
| 03:30.24 | znf | heck, I started with around ~30k urls and not even 10% were cached |
| 03:30.34 | Iriel | Dagmar: hiearchies/ |
| 03:30.36 | Dagmar | Oh so you _already_ got some disk-full errors then. Joy! |
| 03:30.52 | Iriel | Dagmar: Sure there is, you can actually use command line tools in the directories 8-) |
| 03:30.53 | znf | nah, I didn't :) |
| 03:31.00 | kd3 | what's going on in europe? saw a pic of flooding in ireland other, and just saw another one in the netherlands |
| 03:31.02 | Dagmar | Iriel: yeah and the fs will peform about the same way whether you subdivide them into multiple directories or not. |
| 03:31.09 | Dagmar | Bah you don't need to use a sorted ls in there. ;) |
| 03:31.25 | Dagmar | xargs takes care of everything else |
| 03:31.26 | Iriel | Dagmar: right, it becomes 'management ease' rather than 'performance' |
| 03:31.43 | Dagmar | We have people hit 100% inodes at work about once a month |
| 03:31.49 | Dagmar | So much fun |
| 03:31.50 | Iriel | find -print0 | xargs -0 ialso works. |
| 03:31.57 | znf | Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on |
| 03:31.57 | znf | /dev/xvda 2064384 415105 1649279 21% / |
| 03:31.59 | znf | I'm safe |
| 03:32.28 | Dagmar | I'd like to say "So you can make about a million six-hundred more files in there" but no. I'm not going to say that. |
| 03:33.41 | znf | my biggest issue is actually the space used by the actual images cached, no idea how to solve that without paying shitloads for some sort of cdn (though I really don't need a cdn) |
| 03:33.58 | Iriel | Why do you need to cache that many ? |
| 03:34.21 | znf | Iriel, I run a "url database cacher" for an IRC channel we hang out |
| 03:34.29 | znf | Every URL posted in the channel gets cached |
| 03:34.38 | Iriel | For eternity? |
| 03:34.40 | znf | Yup |
| 03:34.48 | Dagmar | You have made a _terrible_ mistake |
| 03:34.58 | Iriel | Are you using a filesystem with block de-duping? |
| 03:35.00 | kd3 | ^ |
| 03:35.03 | Dagmar | Eternity is a *long* time |
| 03:35.10 | znf | uhm, no I'm not :o |
| 03:35.12 | znf | what's that? |
| 03:35.16 | Dagmar | Iriel: ext3 isn't going to de-dupe |
| 03:35.23 | Dagmar | ...and I don't really think that's going to help a whole lot |
| 03:35.34 | Iriel | Dagmar: Depends how much redundancy is in there, and how good/bad the cache is |
| 03:35.41 | kd3 | if there are duplicates of a file, don't keep individual copies, just have multiple references to one copy |
| 03:35.50 | kd3 | s/file/block/ |
| 03:35.51 | Iriel | Dagmar: but it'd just delay the inevitable certainly |
| 03:35.55 | Dagmar | I'm assuming those thumbnails are per-page |
| 03:35.59 | znf | Dagmar, yeah |
| 03:36.17 | Dagmar | So basically, every webpage si going to be fairly unique looking |
| 03:36.38 | znf | every page is uniquely identified by its url |
| 03:37.01 | Dagmar | You could always start dropping jpeg quality with convert, which would probably get caught up sometime next year |
| 03:37.20 | znf | I cache the images identically to as they are |
| 03:37.24 | Dagmar | That would free _some_ space, but you would be probably reclaiming more space pushing those into database |
| 03:37.26 | znf | And webpages are screenshoted in PNG |
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| 03:37.42 | znf | (else you can't read shit on most of them in JPG) |
| 03:37.58 | Dagmar | If yer blocksize is 4k, everything's going to take a multiple of 4k, so there are some assumptions that can be made about how many bytes are being wasted |
| 03:37.59 | Iriel | Ultimately your problem is the lack of an upper bound on retention |
| 03:38.07 | Dagmar | Iriel++ |
| 03:38.17 | znf | I don't mind that :) |
| 03:38.29 | Dagmar | It's _going_ to eventually be the size of a popular porn site today |
| 03:38.33 | Iriel | But trying to do some consolidation might reduce your storage costs |
| 03:38.39 | znf | [ibm86@z /var/www]$ du -hs urldb/ |
| 03:38.39 | znf | 68G urldb/ |
| 03:38.43 | airtonix | i once had an upper bound on retention. |
| 03:38.44 | znf | [root@vps ../rsr/url/cache]# du -hs full/ |
| 03:38.44 | znf | 9.7G full/ |
| 03:39.07 | znf | every ~60 days I move old files from one server to another |
| 03:39.08 | Dagmar | I suspect if you just fed it a 2Tb drive you could stop worrying about it for at least six or seven more years |
| 03:39.40 | Iriel | is this your physical server, or a vm in a colo somewhere? |
| 03:39.52 | Iriel | Also, what do you do for BACKUPS? |
| 03:39.53 | znf | Iriel, main one that actually holds the script is a VPS on Linode |
| 03:40.07 | airtonix | isn't linode expensive? |
| 03:40.08 | Dagmar | Iriel: Backups! LOL |
| 03:40.17 | znf | airtonix, it is, but it's damn worth it |
| 03:40.30 | airtonix | how is it worth it more than say ec2 or openshift? |
| 03:40.33 | Iriel | Dagmar: well "retention forever but no backups" is pretty silly, so I figured i'd ask |
| 03:40.51 | Dagmar | Oh, never fear... Infinte retention is like dividing by zero |
| 03:40.59 | airtonix | znf, have you heard of backblaze? |
| 03:41.02 | Dagmar | Anything involving that you can just write off as a failure state |
| 03:41.13 | znf | Iriel, the 2ndary cache location (ie: older than 60 days) is on my own home server. It only runs a raid0 for the cache :-/ |
| 03:41.18 | znf | erm, raid1 |
| 03:41.19 | Dagmar | Backups wouldn't be a huge deal with thet kind of filestore |
| 03:41.30 | Iriel | Grab a couple of 3TB drives |
| 03:41.30 | znf | airtonix, no |
| 03:41.33 | Dagmar | ...as long as no one says "Veem" |
| 03:42.25 | Dagmar | I was reciently introduced to it. |
| 03:42.35 | znf | airtonix, wait, what's the catch? |
| 03:42.42 | Dagmar | It makes disk snapshots under the VM layer |
| 03:42.45 | znf | only $5/month? |
| 03:42.47 | airtonix | actually i think it might be crashplan |
| 03:42.49 | Dagmar | As in, it makes crashed snapshot. |
| 03:42.59 | airtonix | one of them provides a linux cli tool |
| 03:43.16 | Dagmar | It's going to be hard to not ask the sales rep "Have you lost your minds?" |
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| 03:43.54 | airtonix | znf, you might also want to look into using zfs instead of raid1 |
| 03:43.55 | znf | airtonix, ah, so it's $5/computer/month |
| 03:44.23 | znf | I know I *should* use zfs, just can't afford new disks at the moment to take care of my storage needs (out of job and stuff) |
| 03:44.29 | airtonix | http://www.code42.com/crashplan/ |
| 03:46.29 | znf | but yeah, it's not that important data to hold off; that's why I'm actually moving 60days+ files to my home server |
| 03:46.40 | znf | it's nice to have, but not mandatory |
| 03:47.13 | Iriel | I'm curious why one would do ZFS /instead of/ Mirroring |
| 03:47.24 | airtonix | snaptshotting |
| 03:47.31 | airtonix | copy on write file system |
| 03:47.37 | airtonix | solves the raid write hole |
| 03:47.55 | airtonix | don't need drives of same size to make a pool |
| 03:48.13 | airtonix | can make virtual block devices from sections of the pool |
| 03:48.27 | airtonix | can add quotas on sections of the pool |
| 03:48.44 | airtonix | command line tool isn't retarded like the raid one is |
| 03:49.02 | znf | mdadm is not that bad :P |
| 03:49.04 | airtonix | it can still to mirroring too |
| 03:49.09 | airtonix | no it really is |
| 03:49.16 | airtonix | so is btrfs |
| 03:49.33 | airtonix | and the other one that ubuntu server tries to make you use |
| 03:49.34 | airtonix | lvm |
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| 03:49.52 | airtonix | someone needs to redesign the way those cli tools are made |
| 03:49.57 | znf | I don't think lvm can be compared to zfs, raid etc. |
| 03:49.59 | airtonix | are used* |
| 03:50.13 | airtonix | no but the tools are frustrating to use znf |
| 03:50.14 | znf | but yeah, lvm tools are really weird to use |
| 03:50.53 | Iriel | airtonix: I can understand why you'd use ZFS instead of Raid 5 |
| 03:50.55 | airtonix | my laptop is under btrfs at the moment |
| 03:51.10 | airtonix | iriel can or can't ? |
| 03:51.12 | znf | so, I should really feed these thumbnails in q mysql db |
| 03:51.17 | Iriel | airtonix: can. |
| 03:51.27 | Iriel | airtonix: Raid 5 is cumbersome and annoying |
| 03:51.36 | airtonix | yeah to me zfs is what raid is supposed be |
| 03:51.37 | znf | but I should also migrated this server from mysql to mariadb :-/ |
| 03:51.53 | Iriel | airtonix: I tend to approach mirroring as a somewhat different beast though, but perhaps that's old-fashioned and naive of me |
| 03:52.48 | znf | ...and meanwhile, I need to switch my screenshoting app from CutyCapt to webkit2png |
| 03:52.54 | airtonix | zfs also has streaming replication across machines |
| 03:53.05 | airtonix | so mirroring on steroids |
| 03:53.26 | Iriel | I'd been pondering using ZFS atop mirrored disks |
| 03:53.40 | airtonix | it's not possible |
| 03:53.41 | Iriel | To handle cross-machine replication and the like |
| 03:53.59 | airtonix | you either use zfs or you use mdadm |
| 03:54.15 | Iriel | there's more to this world than linux |
| 03:54.47 | airtonix | you can create ntfs block device in a zfs tank/pool |
| 03:55.16 | airtonix | is that what you are getting at? |
| 03:55.21 | znf | I should update my kernel: 05:55:12 up 1193 days, 7:54, 9 users, load average: 0.03, 0.06, 0.09 |
| 03:57.59 | znf | airtonix, btw, that is the linode I was talking ^ |
| 03:58.20 | airtonix | ok |
| 03:58.45 | airtonix | have you experienced shorter uptimes at other vps providers? |
| 03:59.16 | znf | I tried a few before arriving to linode. I had quite a few bad experiences. Unfortunately I don't remember their names |
| 03:59.23 | znf | I switched to linode almost 4 years ago |
| 03:59.51 | znf | The only time I rebooted that vps was when I migrated it from US to UK (they didn't have a datanceter in UK back then) |
| 04:01.08 | znf | heck, the last vps provider I had before switching to linode (again, can't remember their name) took my VPS offline and deleted all the contents because the payment didn't go trough and they didn't bother notifying us before deleting it (it was around christmas/new year's eve) |
| 04:01.24 | znf | good thing I had backups of all the websites |
| 04:01.59 | airtonix | znf: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2020175 |
| 04:02.11 | airtonix | ^ regarding crashplan and other services |
| 04:05.06 | znf | I'll look into it sometime when I can afford a plan :P |
| 04:05.23 | Iriel | Ugh, why is the ZFS for mac wiki so painful to read? |
| 04:05.45 | znf | I've been postponing this for a year: http://i.imgur.com/RBdSzPn.png :-/ |
| 04:05.46 | znf | or more? |
| 04:06.09 | Iriel | znf: Why? |
| 04:06.22 | znf | Iriel, didn't want to interrupt the services *shrug* |
| 04:06.36 | Iriel | znf: If you don't want service interruption you shouldn't be on a single node! |
| 04:06.46 | znf | it's still running Ubuntu 10.04 :P |
| 04:07.10 | znf | I was thinking of waiting for 14.04 LTS then taking everything offline for a night and migrating |
| 04:07.48 | znf | Iriel, just procrastinating, I guess |
| 04:08.15 | znf | airtonix, oh, also, you asked why Linode... back when I moved to them they had no I/O Limits, no CPU limits etc. |
| 04:08.41 | znf | (they don't have them now, either, but back then I had to look around for a no-limit vps like that) |
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| 04:25.52 | Thunder_Child | I am now using 5 of 7 hdd slots. I think it's time to start thinking about a nas. |
| 04:26.34 | Thunder_Child | Just wish they were not so expensive for something reasonably simple |
| 04:30.59 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: be careful with zfs on mac, i think i remember reading that it was rather outdated |
| 04:31.13 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: it appears to be both old and broken, so i'll be avoiding it |
| 04:31.29 | Arrowmaster | you can thank oracle for part of that |
| 04:32.32 | Arrowmaster | there are a few linux implemtations that are kept recent i think but are still always behind bsd/solarus |
| 04:32.48 | airtonix | Iriel: Zfs is best on FreeNas, next to that its pretty good on ubuntu 12.10(or .04) |
| 04:32.58 | airtonix | other than that it's not supported |
| 04:33.25 | Arrowmaster | i recently learned what brtfs has over zfs and am now waiting for more stable released of it |
| 04:33.31 | airtonix | someone started making a django project as a web interface to manage a zfs tank |
| 04:33.40 | Arrowmaster | kill it with fire |
| 04:33.54 | airtonix | Arrowmaster: what does btrfs have over zfs? |
| 04:34.13 | Arrowmaster | you can toggle CoW per file |
| 04:34.22 | Arrowmaster | you can grow an array |
| 04:35.01 | airtonix | i'm not sure why you would want to stop using cow |
| 04:35.15 | airtonix | and you can start a new zdev inside the same tank for more space |
| 04:35.26 | airtonix | which is actually good for performance |
| 04:35.36 | Arrowmaster | you cant add another drive to a zraid |
| 04:35.41 | Arrowmaster | you can with brtfs |
| 04:36.00 | Arrowmaster | can toggling CoW is for performance |
| 04:36.01 | airtonix | many zdev make a tank, a tank == a root mount point |
| 04:36.18 | airtonix | many disks make a zdev |
| 04:36.59 | airtonix | personally the biggest thing btrfs has over zfs is no oracle |
| 04:38.27 | airtonix | i'm not opposed to btrfs becoming better than zfs, my laptops entire hardrive is on btrfs, i just fear restarting sometimes as it's failed to boot on three occasions due to a btrfs bug |
| 04:38.54 | airtonix | it could be some wierd initialisation bug when in proximity to eUFI |
| 04:39.09 | airtonix | or is the uEFI ? |
| 04:39.32 | Arrowmaster | uEFI |
| 04:39.40 | Arrowmaster | what distro is your laptop? |
| 04:39.47 | Arrowmaster | please say ubuntu |
| 04:39.50 | airtonix | ubuntu 13.04 |
| 04:40.46 | airtonix | i had to install refit and do some things i forgot to document, but it wasn't hard |
| 04:40.59 | Arrowmaster | did you see Poettering's recent G+ post about how upstart cant properly handling mounting and unmounting disks |
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| 04:44.48 | airtonix | no |
| 04:53.22 | Arrowmaster | well the search doesnt want to cooperate with me |
| 05:01.00 | Gethe | Open suse |
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| 05:22.38 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Perhaps he should leave that to the fuckin' kernel, ya think/ |
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| 05:25.04 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: mounting drives? the init process does that not the kernel |
| 05:25.51 | Arrowmaster | the specific issue was something to do with upstart is too stupid to do anything other than wait for all drives to come online or fail |
| 05:25.59 | Dagmar | Actually the _initrd_ does that |
| 05:26.51 | Dagmar | ...although how they're fucking up the rw remounting is something I dont' even want to think about |
| 05:27.12 | airtonix | then we have no one left to think about it |
| 05:27.31 | airtonix | i was counting on you Dagmar |
| 05:27.33 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: yeah that was part of it |
| 05:27.55 | airtonix | I was like, yep that Dagmar, he's someone I can depend on. |
| 05:28.11 | airtonix | what a fool i was |
| 05:28.16 | Dagmar | Sorry, my inital reaction was based on not realizing just how stupid the issue is |
| 05:28.21 | airtonix | no LONGER! |
| 05:28.27 | Arrowmaster | oh found it https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/LjkLwkeDiLc |
| 05:28.33 | Dagmar | Apparently someone got it into their head that they need to use the presence of disks as a condition like the status of the network |
| 05:28.59 | airtonix | i won't be fooled a second time |
| 05:29.26 | Arrowmaster | well there is an actual bug filed against upstart for corrupting ext4 that no effort has been put into fixing |
| 05:29.34 | Arrowmaster | that bug is what this is referring to |
| 05:29.56 | Dagmar | I'm having trouble not laughing as I read it |
| 05:30.18 | Neffi | Arrowmaster: That sounds pretty serious.. |
| 05:30.32 | Dagmar | A pretty classic reason for why you don't do _exactly_ what they're doing |
| 05:30.46 | Dagmar | Give him another year and he'll be requiring a reboot for software updates like Windows. |
| 05:30.47 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: at which part? i was laughing at how bad upstart was when i read it |
| 05:32.05 | Dagmar | ...becuase we have a tiny, minimal functionality init, exactly so that when we need to replace it to eliminate the problme he's talking about, the only thing that needs to happen is that one, limited functionality process be restarted |
| 05:32.51 | Dagmar | ...and their solution is lol moar complexity |
| 05:33.23 | Arrowmaster | i agree that i have no issues with sysvinit but if it has to be replaced i want systemd over upstart |
| 05:33.50 | Dagmar | DUde, at the rate this is going, they'll be one thi~ng in another year |
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| 05:33.58 | Dagmar | ...and reutrning to the initrd? Seriously? |
| 05:34.00 | Dagmar | Jesus |
| 05:34.06 | Dagmar | That's so insane |
| 05:34.20 | Arrowmaster | although i would like some of systemd's features such as the fsck'ing of external drives before mounting |
| 05:34.37 | bluspacecow | *noms Dagmar* |
| 05:34.55 | Dagmar | You don't get to mount htem without an fsck if they didn't pass the journal test |
| 05:35.08 | bluspacecow | *mounts Dagmar* |
| 05:35.35 | Dagmar | I want to highlight something in particular |
| 05:35.36 | Arrowmaster | right but you dont get the fsck based on mount count or times |
| 05:36.10 | Dagmar | Those are almost certainly obsolete with ext3/ext4 or anythign else that does journaling properly |
| 05:36.13 | Dagmar | "The code is quite robust to handle arbitrary stackings of things, since it simply tries again and again until everything that can be done is done." |
| 05:36.22 | Dagmar | Words fail me. |
| 05:36.50 | Dagmar | I mean I could say that sort of translates as "It can get lost in all kinds of wonderous infinite loops" |
| 05:37.20 | Dagmar | ...or... "except in cases when it fails with a loop containing no steps at all... for maximum efficiency" |
| 05:38.57 | Dagmar | This is kinda the reason those of us who aren't insane are still using an init that just does a couple of fucking simple tasks with a known number of steps using a minimal number of resources. |
| 05:40.10 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Worrying about time or iteration checks is up there with running an explicit defrag on a regular basis |
| 05:41.15 | Dagmar | THe filesystems are fragmentation resistant in the first place now, so there's nearly no benefit to doing that |
| 05:42.22 | Dagmar | It doesn't fail at that as long as you're keeping a reasonable amount of space free in the first place, which... if you're doing a lot of writing to the disk then you should be doing anyway or god help you when you run out of space entirely |
| 05:42.54 | airtonix | it's like 46c today |
| 05:42.57 | airtonix | :< |
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| 05:44.39 | Dagmar | Seems to me that this is a lot like them worrying about how to properly brace the lightbulb to hold it still, while they move the couch and coffee table away so that they can turn the floor lamp around freely in order to change the bulb |
| 05:45.08 | airtonix | it didn't even go below 30c last night or today |
| 05:45.29 | Dagmar | airtonix: What's the humidity? |
| 05:45.40 | airtonix | right now? 10% |
| 05:45.51 | airtonix | 0 precipitation |
| 05:45.56 | Dagmar | OKay, so trust me on this... It can be a LOT worse |
| 05:46.09 | airtonix | and a wind so slow that i could fall over past it |
| 05:46.32 | Dagmar | You should try an August here in Nashville or Atlanta |
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| 05:47.00 | Dagmar | ...where it'll be 31C at one in the morning, and >80% humidity |
| 05:47.14 | Dagmar | ...so all the sweating in the world won't ever cool you off. |
| 05:47.35 | Dagmar | Dogbreath weather, 24/7, for a couple of weeks in a row |
| 05:48.15 | Dagmar | Fuckin' monkey bushes died here two years ago |
| 05:48.20 | Neffi | Dogbreath weather? |
| 05:48.24 | Dagmar | You can't normally _burn_ those out |
| 05:48.33 | Dagmar | Neffi: yes, like standing inside a dog's mouth |
| 05:48.42 | Neffi | gross |
| 05:48.43 | Dagmar | Unpleasantly hot and moist |
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| 05:48.56 | Neffi | Yeah, I couldn't live in the south |
| 05:51.21 | kd3|hate`net | I'd rather live in the south than in the north. I don't *do* cold |
| 05:51.44 | airtonix | you know we live in a facist religious dictatorship here in australia? |
| 05:52.10 | Dagmar | Oh, so the war against christianity has spread there? |
| 05:52.12 | airtonix | run by an idiot with is tounge so far up the arsehole of the nsa |
| 05:52.13 | kd3 | that's not too far different from the bible belt |
| 05:53.26 | airtonix | i'm just waiting to see how he reacts to obama when obama starts rolling the wheel on marijuana legalisation |
| 05:53.47 | Dagmar | I'm looking forward to that one myself |
| 05:53.56 | airtonix | might want to pull your tounge out now tony... you piece of shit |
| 05:54.14 | Dagmar | It'll be a watershed moment |
| 05:54.26 | Dagmar | You'll be able to tell who's a goddamn crazy in less time than ever |
| 05:54.35 | airtonix | lawl |
| 05:54.57 | Dagmar | On one side, you'll have the conservatives screaming that marijuana rapes unborn babies and the elderly at gunpoint... |
| 05:55.18 | Dagmar | ...and the other side will just be so damn _calm and reasonable_ about everything. eh |
| 05:55.41 | kd3 | don't forget about the people upset that the _private_ prisons won't be full at all times |
| 05:55.56 | Dagmar | Oh yes I'm _very_ looking forward to calling CCA out on some shit |
| 05:55.57 | kd3 | even though we'll be paying them for the empty cells anyway |
| 05:55.59 | kd3 | sighs |
| 05:56.24 | Dagmar | I can make a pretty direct argument that they're an enemy of the American people |
| 05:56.58 | Dagmar | THey're actually lobbying to increase jail sentences and the number of offenses to increase their profit margins |
| 05:57.04 | Dagmar | This is _madness_ |
| 05:57.36 | airtonix | sorry i was wiping my keyboard down |
| 05:57.45 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:58.58 | Dagmar | lol freebsd has a NO_POETTERING token now |
| 06:01.01 | Corrodias2 | what does that mean? |
| 06:01.26 | Dagmar | One may try and argue "Oh they're not really doing that" all one likes, but the fact of the matter is that it's in the corporation's best interests, they're _doing it_ or they wouldn't need lobbyists for anything really, and just wow |
| 06:01.53 | Dagmar | Corrodias2: It's basically a way to immunize FreeBSD against anything Poettering related when it comes time to build a bunch of Linux-sourced things for FreeBSD |
| 06:02.50 | Dagmar | I suppose it'll wind up being official and maybe renamed something less inflammatory very soon |
| 06:05.44 | Neffi | Why exactly all the hate for Poettering? |
| 06:05.56 | Dagmar | Because he's insane |
| 06:05.59 | Corrodias2 | what exactly did he do? |
| 06:06.12 | Dagmar | Pulse-Audio, for one thing. |
| 06:06.23 | Corrodias2 | that's very popular, as i understand |
| 06:06.33 | Dagmar | Not really. |
| 06:06.47 | Dagmar | It's a thing that just ships _with_ the distribution as far as most people are concerned. |
| 06:07.10 | Corrodias2 | oh, not used by default? |
| 06:07.13 | Dagmar | It was supposed to solve a certain set of problems that ALSA was closing in on, and whoops hey it turned out that they're actually very complex problems |
| 06:07.29 | Dagmar | ...so pulse-audio not only solved them, but it made them worse |
| 06:07.38 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 06:07.41 | Dagmar | er not only DIDN'T |
| 06:08.05 | Dagmar | ...and now that thing Arrowmaster linked on G+ earlier is just more of the same |
| 06:08.15 | bluspacecow | ? |
| 06:08.17 | Corrodias2 | why is linux re-mounting its filesystems as read-only during a shutdown process? why not just unmount them? |
| 06:08.19 | bluspacecow | people use G+ ? |
| 06:08.54 | Dagmar | Corrodias2: No see this is the way they're replacing init when they do it, or rather when they're updating the frankenstien's monster that systemd/upstart is turning into |
| 06:09.40 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias2: because you shouldnt unmount if files are still open |
| 06:09.54 | Corrodias2 | it's a shutdown. i don't care if you have files open. the power is turning off in about 3 seconds. |
| 06:10.10 | Neffi | Unix wasn't built on that philosophy |
| 06:10.11 | Corrodias2 | your process should be ending before this occurs |
| 06:10.23 | Dagmar | upstarts big thing is that it's much more situationally-aware of what's going on. You can (and this is done) have startup scripts that will effectively return "try me again in the next pass" if the network isn't up yet |
| 06:10.29 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: upstart isnt turning into anything, afaik its a dead project that gets nothing but maintenance patches |
| 06:10.31 | Dagmar | Like, that's a good thing |
| 06:11.01 | Arrowmaster | but it fails a bunch of its 'goals' of why it should be used over sysvinit |
| 06:11.05 | Dagmar | The approach itself is excellent |
| 06:11.09 | Arrowmaster | id rather keep sysvinit than use upstart |
| 06:11.13 | Arrowmaster | in fact i do |
| 06:11.29 | Dagmar | The worst problem I have with sysvinit is all user-generated |
| 06:11.42 | Dagmar | Like, nitwits who install Tomcat to start sooner than freakin sshd |
| 06:12.10 | Arrowmaster | debian uses sysvinit + insserv so that is solved |
| 06:12.13 | Corrodias2 | don't daemons list their dependencies? |
| 06:12.18 | Dagmar | NOpe. |
| 06:12.30 | Dagmar | If you try and start 'em, the stuff they need better be there |
| 06:12.34 | Corrodias2 | oh, dear |
| 06:12.41 | Dagmar | It's _not_ that hard to ensure this |
| 06:13.06 | Dagmar | Like, _don't_ start Apache until there's a network interface to bind to. Pretty straightforward stuff actually |
| 06:13.22 | Arrowmaster | in debian daemons need to have proper lsb init headers in their init scripts and those need to list whats required |
| 06:13.33 | Arrowmaster | if they dont list whats needed they WILL fail |
| 06:13.39 | Dagmar | There's some edge-cases that come up with people using stuff like iSCSI tho that have led them to believe they need more complexity |
| 06:13.53 | Corrodias2 | ah |
| 06:14.33 | Dagmar | ...when the more sensible answer is to just say "fuck you and your meaningless five nines" and to just carefully start all those extra things in advance as well |
| 06:14.45 | Dagmar | ...or to go the middle-ground route Debian uses |
| 06:15.42 | Dagmar | 'cuz iSCSI masquerades as basically, software SATA cables... |
| 06:16.04 | Dagmar | ...and it runs over the network, which puts things in sort of a weird place. Normally you bring the disks up, then the network... |
| 06:16.09 | Dagmar | ...and then NFS mounts haha |
| 06:17.03 | Dagmar | No one gets excited by the idea that NFS mounts won't be available until the network is up, but people are using iSCSI for /usr and so forth |
| 06:17.24 | Dagmar | ...cuz you can do some rather kinky stuff with encryption at that level, through iSCSI |
| 06:17.58 | Corrodias2 | bringing anything up before the disks sounds challenging when your OS is being loaded off said disk |
| 06:18.05 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 06:18.22 | Corrodias2 | this tells me that the concept of "disks" contains too many responsibilities |
| 06:18.25 | Dagmar | PXE booting is a laugh a minute until you get your head wrapped around it properly |
| 06:18.44 | Corrodias2 | it may benefit from being split into components |
| 06:19.50 | TGiFallen_ | does pitbull have boss frames yet? |
| 06:20.04 | Semlar | hm, is weak auras supposed to just spam me with errors after i install it |
| 06:20.19 | Corrodias2 | i am certain that error spam is the intended behavior |
| 06:20.35 | bluspacecow | its lonely Semlar |
| 06:20.41 | Semlar | odd |
| 06:20.44 | bluspacecow | so ronery |
| 06:20.48 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.53 | nebula169 | TGiFallen_: it does |
| 06:21.03 | Dagmar | Someone needs to show those auras a strong hand to toughen' 'em up |
| 06:21.22 | bluspacecow | yes a slap and a tickle does anyone a world of good |
| 06:21.26 | Semlar | i've never used weak auras before and this is a fresh install |
| 06:21.35 | Semlar | so not a great start |
| 06:21.52 | TGiFallen_ | well, what're the errors? |
| 06:21.56 | bluspacecow | take the code apart and found out how Lockdown is defined |
| 06:22.00 | Semlar | i linked it |
| 06:22.09 | bluspacecow | thats the error |
| 06:22.47 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.53 | TGiFallen_ | my bad, I've never seen it give me that error before, where did you install it from? did you use curse client? if so did you accidently isntall the beta? |
| 06:22.56 | bluspacecow | kk |
| 06:23.07 | Semlar | i didn't install it from the curse client |
| 06:23.42 | TGiFallen_ | what other addons are you running, try to disable all the other addons and see if you still get that error (I know the error message wouldn't suggest that's a possible fix, but it's worht trying) |
| 06:24.02 | bluspacecow | also nix the SV files too |
| 06:24.12 | Semlar | i'll see if there are any |
| 06:24.26 | TGiFallen_ | "also nix the SV files too" what's that mean lol |
| 06:24.34 | Semlar | saved variables |
| 06:24.46 | TGiFallen_ | ohh duh |
| 06:25.26 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 06:26.52 | Corv | Anyone aware of examples of addons utilizing Blizz's TutorialFrame? |
| 06:27.04 | TGiFallen_ | Action Script 2 |
| 06:27.27 | TGiFallen_ | ERRR, Action Swap 2 |
| 06:27.41 | bluspacecow | @Semlar I just installed WeakAuras from the wowace link you gave. No errors on loading |
| 06:27.49 | TGiFallen_ | was thinking of two things at once and they both came out |
| 06:28.35 | Corv | Heh, I was a little scared. Action Script is bad stuff. |
| 06:28.59 | Neffi | "attempt to index global" possibly that's a leaked global and another addon is also leaking the same global and setting it to nil |
| 06:29.05 | Neffi | Disable your other stuff and retry |
| 06:29.16 | TGiFallen_ | that's what I said!! |
| 06:29.26 | Neffi | Oh sorry, I didn't notice |
| 06:29.49 | airtonix | no that's what I said. |
| 06:30.26 | TGiFallen_ | lol Neffi don't be sorry. I was just poking at semlar |
| 06:30.51 | Neffi | pokes at Semlar. |
| 06:30.56 | Neffi | wow that's fun |
| 06:31.03 | nebula169 | it looks more he had some existing aura with broken custom triggers |
| 06:31.03 | TGiFallen_ | lul |
| 06:31.21 | bluspacecow | *pokes Semlar too* |
| 06:31.25 | Semlar | knock it off |
| 06:31.35 | Thunder_Child | pokes Semlar |
| 06:31.41 | Semlar | explodes |
| 06:31.58 | Thunder_Child | Cool |
| 06:32.10 | Neffi | Don't worry, he does that quite often |
| 06:32.42 | Neffi | reassembles Semlar with duct tape and super glue. |
| 06:33.02 | bluspacecow | heheheheh |
| 06:33.07 | bluspacecow | *pokes Neffi* |
| 06:33.32 | Neffi | Might not want to do that |
| 06:34.08 | Neffi | I've been sick for the last couple hours =( |
| 06:34.20 | Neffi | Wouldn't want to poke me in the stomach ;) |
| 06:34.26 | Semlar | it's okay he's wearing a suit |
| 06:34.35 | Corv | Oh, one more question: Is there a fast way to hide floating combat text that I've missed? |
| 06:34.43 | Corv | Disabling the cvar works, on a ~2s delay |
| 06:35.16 | bluspacecow | *feeds chicken soup to Neffi* |
| 06:35.18 | Semlar | you could set the alpha of the world frame to 0 |
| 06:35.21 | bluspacecow | *licks clean* |
| 06:35.26 | Neffi | lol |
| 06:35.36 | Corv | *Really*? |
| 06:35.37 | Semlar | i'm sure that won't have any side effects |
| 06:35.49 | Neffi | Well you could but that surely would have side effects |
| 06:35.56 | Dagmar | Danger-sensitive glasses |
| 06:35.57 | Neffi | Semlar's just a mad scientist |
| 06:36.01 | Semlar | it would technically hide the combat text |
| 06:36.10 | Corv | I know WorldFrame.Hide is a fun way to troll folks, but I... hmm. |
| 06:36.15 | Neffi | And the nameplates. And potentially other frames |
| 06:36.25 | Semlar | i know the damn thing is parented to the world frame because scaling it was hiding the font strings |
| 06:36.42 | Corv | I'm trying to get everything except the world itself hidden for nice clean screenshots. |
| 06:36.52 | Corv | And it's that damned FCT that's getting in my way. |
| 06:37.00 | Semlar | well, do you mean the text in the middle or above their heads |
| 06:37.19 | Corv | Above heads. Also, while I'm at it, names of battle pets, while Pet Tracking is active. |
| 06:37.30 | Semlar | i don't think the text above their heads is even accessible from an addon |
| 06:37.43 | Corv | Doesn't seem like. 'tis why I asked to make sure =) |
| 06:38.01 | Corv | Like, nameplates, raid icons, and targeting circle, no problem. SetUIVisibility. |
| 06:38.09 | Semlar | weeeelll |
| 06:38.22 | Semlar | i know addons could change the font of it |
| 06:38.41 | Semlar | but i doubt that would work while it's already showing |
| 06:38.48 | Corv | Yeah... |
| 06:39.18 | Corv | *grumble* Do we have a 6.0 Wishlist somewhere around here? |
| 06:41.41 | Neffi | Is the wishlist/requests thread even still a thing? |
| 06:41.48 | Semlar | i wish |
| 06:42.03 | Neffi | Also how many things did they ever actually implement from it? |
| 06:42.04 | Corv | It was a thing? It was just wishful thinking! |
| 06:42.36 | airtonix | you never know. after encountering dean hall, all you need to do is whine hard enough. |
| 06:42.56 | Neffi | Corv: Yup. I remember it from *way* back. Back when the awesome Slouken was still around and posted on the official UI forums |
| 06:43.30 | Corv | I recall class-based threads back at the TBC beta, but I wasn't aware of anything else. |
| 06:44.29 | Semlar | man weak auras needs a way to filter this list when browsing for a model to use |
| 06:45.01 | Corv | *auras addons are always kinda kitchen-sinky. |
| 06:46.04 | Semlar | i guess i'll just use the model viewer |
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| 08:27.26 | Arrowmaster | why cant i just sleep |
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| 08:32.59 | airtonix | cocaine? |
| 08:33.12 | airtonix | use less of it? |
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| 08:43.06 | airtonix | bluspacecow: "Ah another day in New Zealand", meanwhile the media around the world makes it sound like he was battling Smaug from The Hobbit, with a toothpick. |
| 08:43.18 | airtonix | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4XrfIb3qX8 |
| 08:43.21 | bluspacecow | who ? |
| 08:43.53 | bluspacecow | should of caught it and had shark steak |
| 08:43.54 | bluspacecow | pansy |
| 08:44.24 | airtonix | weak as |
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| 11:36.05 | Icicle_ | Morning! |
| 11:36.19 | Icicle_ | Dinged Level 90 on my German server today :D :D :D |
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| 12:52.29 | tissle | How can I get what pet is active? for example Warlock has 6 different pets - IsPetActive returns 1 if i have a pet active, But i can't seem to find how I actually find which it is, or my searchskills in the documenation is flawed? |
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| 12:57.11 | nevcairiel | why does http://wowpedia.org/API_UnitRace list race names in russian.....? someone trolling wowpedia? :p |
| 12:57.21 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5w3OvxIxzE jleclanche :P |
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| 12:59.33 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: history entry states "Making documentation clear that localized race names cannot be used as keys" |
| 12:59.58 | nevcairiel | yes because the documentation is so clear now |
| 13:00.49 | nevcairiel | the same thing is done on various unit functions with various other languages |
| 13:00.51 | nevcairiel | looks totally BS |
| 13:01.02 | Maldivia | well, it's a wiki -- change it :) |
| 13:01.57 | nevcairiel | so that some disgruntled moron can change it back? I dont do wikis |
| 13:02.26 | Maldivia | it was changed to russian Oct 3rd, 2012 :P |
| 13:08.29 | mikma | it's good as it is imo |
| 13:08.45 | mikma | you can see the raceID there which is the one english folks can use |
| 13:08.59 | mikma | if the first one is always localized then it's fine |
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| 13:35.37 | tissle | Question: I have a variable - name - filled with "Summon Water Elemental" - that i wish to gsub and check against GetUnitName("pet",0), using tostring(gsub(name,"Summon ","",1)) - this gives me the name, but without the reply of how many times it was replaced. but if i ask LUA to check if tostring() == GetUnitName("pet",0) i get false, even though a print() produces the same result. What am |
| 13:35.38 | tissle | I doing wrong?.. |
| 13:40.54 | Maldivia | hmm |
| 13:41.54 | tissle | its probably needlessly complicated, but i havent figured another way to check my Pet vs the spellbutton (i want to change button texture depending on if its summoned or not) |
| 13:48.45 | Maldivia | works fine for me |
| 13:49.03 | Maldivia | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.02 | Maldivia | but removing "Summon" from the text won't work with other languages |
| 13:55.45 | tissle | myea, dont know how to fix that yet |
| 13:56.37 | tissle | well, thats nice, now if GetUnitName("pet") == gsub(name,"Summon ","",1) works |
| 13:56.43 | tissle | okay then, lets have it that way |
| 13:58.31 | Maldivia | where are you changing this btw? |
| 13:58.40 | Maldivia | action bars, or? |
| 13:59.05 | tissle | my own buttons |
| 14:06.28 | tissle | i get the name variable from local name = GetSpellInfo(id) so besides this "Summon" replace, i am not having a problem with localization otherwise in my code |
| 14:07.16 | tissle | but atleast it works now, guess ill have to figure out that i11n later.. |
| 14:09.48 | Maldivia | well, if you're a mage, and UnitExists"pet" and it has the right mob-id in its guid, then you know it's a water elemental :P |
| 14:10.57 | tissle | hm yea, this wouldnt work on my warlock, as the imp/voidwalker spellname isnt the same as its name... |
| 14:11.18 | Maldivia | exactly |
| 14:11.38 | tissle | how do i get the guid then? |
| 14:11.55 | tissle | IsPetActive() works to determine if i got a pet or not |
| 14:13.04 | Maldivia | UnitGUID("pet") |
| 14:13.26 | tissle | thanks |
| 14:16.03 | tissle | well, looks like i got some work to do then |
| 14:16.41 | Maldivia | there should be documentation how to read those :) |
| 14:17.17 | tissle | yea, there is. i just gotta read, and make it work with my code... :) |
| 14:22.02 | Maldivia | hmm... actually, don't know if GUID will work for pets, as they don't see to have a monster ID |
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| 14:24.40 | tissle | im creating buttons for several classes, and what the buttons to update given conditions, like if a buff is active or a specific pet is summoned, but for example warlock can have 7 different pets, and i need to know which one is active then |
| 14:27.48 | tissle | i must be overlooking some function, i find it hard to believe the default UI doesn't have a smooth way of showing if a petspell is active - after all it does highlight the skill on actionbars when pet is active |
| 14:47.32 | Maldivia | then there probably is :P |
| 14:48.18 | Maldivia | IsSpellOverlayed? |
| 14:49.14 | tissle | hm |
| 14:49.20 | tissle | ill check it out |
| 14:50.45 | tissle | hm, no |
| 14:50.57 | Maldivia | ok, didn't know if it had anything to do with it :) |
| 14:51.30 | tissle | IsCurrentSpell() seems to do the trick |
| 14:52.50 | tissle | then the question - does this IsCurrentSpell() make my looping through UnitBuffs() obsolete aswell? |
| 14:55.44 | tissle | Nope. :) |
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| 15:19.46 | Maldivia | what are you looping through buffs for? |
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| 15:36.00 | rot | hello |
| 15:36.25 | rot | what can cause a fontstring to not fully display? |
| 15:43.17 | Maldivia | is the width of the fontstring set? and is it too narrow to fit the text? |
| 15:43.25 | rot | nope :( |
| 15:43.32 | rot | http://cpaste.org/p3zpzukm9 |
| 15:44.16 | rot | both DEBUG calls show the right string...and yet in game, the UnitManaMax() isn't displayed. |
| 15:44.17 | Maldivia | and you're sure fs_power isn't limited by its anchors or width? |
| 15:44.26 | rot | I am sure of that |
| 15:45.03 | rot | let me check again |
| 15:45.06 | Maldivia | well, then some other frame is probably on top of your fontstring obscuring it |
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| 15:51.52 | rot | :o |
| 15:52.01 | rot | seems like it's the "frame" scale |
| 15:52.16 | rot | over 1.40 the fontstring is trunked |
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| 17:18.41 | Semlar | tissle: GetPetActionInfo |
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| 18:26.05 | kd3 | wow, what a change from inches of snow on the ground to temps in the 60s |
| 18:36.38 | tissle | Semlar that only tells me about the spells the pets uses, not what the actual pet is |
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| 18:36.57 | Semlar | you were asking how the game knew what spells were on autocast |
| 18:37.31 | tissle | no, i was asking how the game knew which pet is summoned |
| 18:38.06 | tissle | and IsCurrentSpell works nicely for me for mage and warlock pets atleast |
| 18:39.17 | kd3 | highrise demoltions are neat: (just happened today) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Y0qcZcyC0 |
| 18:41.25 | Semlar | you can't use UnitCreatureFamily('pet')? |
| 18:42.01 | tissle | only tells me its an Elemental i believe |
| 18:42.15 | tissle | though havent checked for mage/warlock |
| 18:43.06 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it tells you whether it's an imp or a voidwalker or whatever |
| 18:43.11 | Semlar | but i think it's also localized |
| 18:43.43 | tissle | hm okay, might be worth cherking out though |
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| 18:58.09 | Maldivia | alternatively something like GetSpellInfo(5,"PET") to get the first actual pet spell (think the first 4 are always the attack, move to etc) |
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| 19:10.09 | Maldivia | what.... RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman !? |
| 19:14.51 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:18.43 | Neffi | Semlar: what i am i looking at? |
| 19:18.52 | Semlar | alliance wins |
| 19:18.59 | mikma | maldivia: apparently, yes |
| 19:19.12 | Thunder_Child | I'm looking at a loading screen |
| 19:19.28 | Neffi | Semlar: doesn't alliance always win AV? |
| 19:19.36 | Semlar | stormpike is dead |
| 19:19.53 | Neffi | oh wow |
| 19:19.55 | mikma | he died 0.1 after the horde leader |
| 19:19.59 | mikma | 0.1sec* |
| 19:20.00 | Semlar | :[ |
| 19:20.12 | Neffi | Haha, that's some shit |
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| 19:23.50 | Neffi | pokes Semlar. |
| 19:23.58 | Semlar | explodes |
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| 19:35.24 | Semlar | you know you like that resolution |
| 19:36.52 | Neffi | Semlar: http://i.imgur.com/Wm1bRVo.gif |
| 19:37.02 | Semlar | no neffi |
| 19:37.07 | Neffi | mhm |
| 19:38.33 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.52 | Semlar | i feel like an archaeologist |
| 19:39.45 | Neffi | dem classic raid frames |
| 19:39.48 | Neffi | so terrible |
| 19:40.55 | Neffi | I wish I had saved all my screenshots from always |
| 19:41.49 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.38 | Neffi | this is why I dont play with friendly nameplates on |
| 19:44.51 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.59 | Neffi | :| |
| 19:46.03 | Semlar | :) |
| 19:46.11 | Semlar | so many things |
| 19:47.32 | Semlar | mounts in bags, arrows |
| 19:49.03 | Neffi | Sometimes you forgot the huge QOL improvement's we've gotten over the years |
| 19:49.10 | Semlar | oh right i forgot there weren't even raid frames |
| 19:49.18 | Semlar | it just showed your party |
| 19:49.33 | Semlar | you had to drag groups out if you wanted them |
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| 19:51.08 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.41 | Neffi | nice threat meter |
| 19:54.16 | Semlar | the nice thing about being a hunter was being able to drop your threat |
| 19:56.22 | Semlar | i can't get this spell model to display in-game |
| 19:56.45 | Semlar | i'm trying to get spells/misdirection_impact_head.m2 to play in a model frame but it won't show up |
| 19:57.04 | Neffi | Probably it's positioned outside the window |
| 19:57.11 | Semlar | well, if it is i can't find it |
| 19:57.29 | Semlar | i've tried moving it around quite a bit |
| 19:57.46 | Semlar | it's not showing the model not found box so presumably it's somewhere |
| 19:59.42 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:30.07 | Neffi | Semlar: what is that? |
| 20:30.18 | Semlar | event trace |
| 20:30.33 | Neffi | I didnt know that was a thing |
| 20:30.43 | Semlar | it was an addon |
| 20:30.49 | Semlar | devtools |
| 20:31.12 | Neffi | Never used its event trace. That would've helped a lot when developing some stuff |
| 20:31.25 | Semlar | pretty sure it was just eventually implemented into the interface |
| 20:31.25 | mikma | aint that the builtin tool |
| 20:31.36 | Semlar | not at the time |
| 20:31.56 | mikma | oh right |
| 20:32.01 | mikma | that's iriel's doings? |
| 20:32.09 | Neffi | I believe so |
| 20:32.17 | Neffi | I wonder if the event trace feature also got integrated |
| 20:32.39 | Semlar | of course it did, it's /etrace |
| 20:32.56 | Semlar | how do you not know about etrace! |
| 20:33.01 | Semlar | NEFFI |
| 20:33.06 | Neffi | Ha. I was gonna write something like this but never bothered |
| 20:33.17 | Neffi | I always just trace stuff with inline print()s |
| 20:33.42 | mikma | oh my :D |
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| 20:36.31 | Neffi | fuck |
| 20:36.52 | Semlar | don't tell me what to do! |
| 20:37.05 | Neffi | I had darkmoon planned out to get all the tickets I need for my last heirloom |
| 20:37.20 | Neffi | On my level 50 alt. 2 quests require level 85 and I forgot he only has 1 primary profession |
| 20:38.18 | mikma | poof, brainfart |
| 20:45.37 | Semlar | i saw someone use the misdirection model in a weak aura video so there has got to be a way to get it to show up |
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| 20:49.15 | Icicle_ | Hey Guys, just finished the website I've working on for the past few weeks, if you have some time give it a look :). Should accomodate all modern browsers, devices, and tablets. |
| 20:49.16 | Icicle_ | http://outriderstudio.com/ |
| 20:49.25 | Icicle_ | feedback is appreciated |
| 20:50.10 | Semlar | jaggies |
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| 20:51.44 | Corrodias2 | i... would not personally choose to have it start off with picture of someone with sunglasses and crossed arms |
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| 20:55.44 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b76j7MU2n2Q loving cranberry juice this much |
| 20:56.51 | Maldivia | Corrodias2: and if so... please learn to properly blend edges.... |
| 20:58.26 | Corrodias2 | yes, the outline might be deliberate for contrast, but it could be smoother |
| 20:59.25 | Icicle_ | im afraid the outline is simply laziness on my part |
| 20:59.31 | Icicle_ | will work on blending the edges better |
| 20:59.41 | Icicle_ | and potentially using a different image, lot of people know me by this one though |
| 20:59.52 | Icicle_ | (lot of*) |
| 21:01.35 | VIad | hmm |
| 21:01.50 | VIad | I wonder if I have a toc with multiple lua files, if I change the "namespace" table to a Frame widget |
| 21:01.55 | VIad | if it will inherit it further down the line |
| 21:02.27 | VIad | maybe you can return in the root of the lua file |
| 21:02.38 | VIad | so the next gets new addonname and ns pointers |
| 21:04.14 | Arrowmaster | you cant change it |
| 21:05.39 | Neffi | init.lua -> tbl[1] = CreateFrame('Frame'); rest.lua -> local namespace = tbl[1] |
| 21:05.51 | Neffi | If you want to avoid it being global |
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| 21:20.02 | znf | So, one of my servers is crashing as soon as I start apache :-/ |
| 21:20.16 | znf | and I have no idea what's causing it |
| 21:21.58 | znf | (other than 1557 varnish pids) |
| 21:24.33 | Thunder_Child | Define crashing |
| 21:27.26 | Shirik | it fell off its 10 foot high rack |
| 21:28.04 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Shirik |
| 21:28.04 | purl | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags Shirik into court suing for $200 million |
| 21:28.14 | Thunder_Child | You watching the League tourny? |
| 21:28.24 | Shirik | kinda |
| 21:28.27 | znf | Thunder_Child, load avg. 200 |
| 21:28.35 | Shirik | I'm simultaneously watching last week's games, lol |
| 21:32.46 | znf | started for 60 seconds, already load avg. 30 :-/ |
| 21:33.25 | znf | and 40... jesus |
| 21:37.58 | znf | fixed. |
| 21:38.20 | Esamynn | znf: alright, so what was it? |
| 21:39.05 | znf | Esamynn, w3-total-cache, a wordpress plugin; it has cdn/pipelining support enabled |
| 21:39.22 | Esamynn | translation... wordpress is evil |
| 21:39.29 | znf | yeah, it's bad-ish |
| 21:39.42 | znf | but this is quite a pitfall |
| 21:40.32 | znf | you can set up a subdomain to serve static files (mostly for pipelining, also cookie-less domain), like static.domain.com; |
| 21:40.50 | Neffi | lol http://i.imgur.com/MK9Ho.jpg |
| 21:41.00 | znf | normally it uploads those files trough ftp (from domain to static.domain) |
| 21:41.32 | znf | but since we were hosting the subdomain on the same server, we figured we could just symlink the directories and serve them from the same location |
| 21:42.03 | znf | except the darn thing still tries to ftp in the files, and ofcourse it throws an error (file already exists) |
| 21:42.09 | znf | so it keeps them in an upload queue |
| 21:42.24 | znf | once the queue piles up, it tries to ftp all those files on every run of the whole cms |
| 21:42.42 | znf | now figure out what 100 ftp requests * 1000 visits/second on the website can do |
| 21:43.15 | zenzelezz | man... after I got my Kindle, I bought the A Song of Ice and Fire set, and set out to read it from where I had gotten in the books. Took ages to find the right spot, but eventually did, and started reading |
| 21:43.36 | zenzelezz | however, progress seemed utterly slow. Finally checked with the physical book and saw that I was indeed making progress |
| 21:44.00 | zenzelezz | turns out Kindle apparently consider the entire set as one "book", so its "33%" was (thankfully) not 33% of the single book |
| 21:44.28 | nevcairiel | would be fun if it was a single book, means more content to read! |
| 21:44.46 | zenzelezz | true |
| 21:45.04 | zenzelezz | but I was starting to wonder how much larger the text could be on the Kindle since I didn't seem to be getting very far |
| 21:45.22 | nevcairiel | yeah page numbers and stuff are no help there |
| 21:45.53 | zenzelezz | "Location: 264843". Good to know |
| 21:46.18 | nevcairiel | i havent read anything for such a long time. Can never get myself to do it at home, used to do it a lot on my commute to work, but then i stopped having a long commute |
| 21:48.14 | zenzelezz | I've come to read a bit in bed again, now that I don't need to hold an unwieldy physical book anymore. Friend convinced me to try out a shakti mat (spikey thing), works out well to do both at the same time |
| 21:48.54 | nevcairiel | that looks uncomfortable |
| 21:49.11 | zenzelezz | yeah, they do. And they are the first few times you use them |
| 21:49.28 | zenzelezz | after that it's only when you lie down that they're uncomfortable (unless you can't lay still) |
| 21:49.41 | zenzelezz | I've fallen asleep on it many times |
| 21:50.26 | nevcairiel | i cant sleep on my back though, tried before, and never manage to fall asleep |
| 21:50.47 | Dagmar | Sounds like a job for... VODKA |
| 21:51.00 | zenzelezz | unless I'm on that mat, I'm the same. I have to be *really* tired to fall asleep any way other than lying on my stomach |
| 21:51.03 | nevcairiel | also, do you have funny pattern on your skin when you get up? :p |
| 21:51.21 | zenzelezz | I can't say, don't see my own back, but I imagine so. It sure feels that way at least, prickly |
| 21:51.48 | znf | Nope. I guess I haven't fixed it. |
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| 22:14.09 | Semlar | is it possible to play a section of a sound file with the api |
| 22:14.19 | nevcairiel | not that i know of |
| 22:14.28 | Semlar | so you can't like start at a certain offset |
| 22:15.08 | Thunder_Child | if you know the length, couldn't you start the play and mute at the same time, then unmute where you want it? |
| 22:16.25 | Semlar | yeah but it's decently far in and it wouldn't be very practical i think |
| 22:16.38 | nevcairiel | yeah you would have to wait it out |
| 22:16.57 | Semlar | it's part of one of the cinematics |
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| 22:23.37 | Sintacks | Philip Seymour Hoffman dead of apparent drug overdose |
| 22:23.50 | Sintacks | moral: don't do drugs |
| 22:24.40 | znf | not sure if I fixed my webserver or the "rush hour" is over :-/ |
| 22:25.29 | Amarande | Sintacks: and especially don't be found dead in flagrante delicto doing drugs L| |
| 22:25.33 | Amarande | :| |
| 22:25.50 | Amarande | I heard they literally found the guy with the heroin needle still in his arm :| |
| 22:25.51 | nevcairiel | if you gotta go, gotta at least make it worthwhile |
| 22:27.29 | Amarande | oh, and apparently you don't get to have tailgate parties at the Super Bowl this year. *at freaking Giants Stadium*, who I understand practically *invented* the tailgate party. |
| 22:27.37 | Amarande | This world is going south faster than the Antarctic Express :P |
| 22:34.13 | Thunder_Child | Sintacks: Moral, don't die from drugs. |
| 22:34.31 | Dagmar | That's becuase terrorists could hide in your beer cans |
| 22:35.35 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 22:35.41 | Dagmar | I'm fucking baffled anyone even touches heroin with as regularly as people just _randomly_ overdose and die from it |
| 22:36.24 | Stanzilla | it's a pretty good suicide method |
| 22:37.11 | Gnarfoz | doubt it's intentional very many times :P |
| 22:37.27 | Amarande | T_C: heh, does it really rank that badly as far as ways to die go, I mean, there's probably a few zillion worse ways to go |
| 22:38.36 | zenzelezz | it seems like every time a celebrity dies, I never know what they have actually done |
| 22:45.31 | Amarande | yeah half the time I'm like "who?" |
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| 23:09.29 | Thunder_Child | Is the wow designed that you should be able to solo elites of an equal level? |
| 23:09.50 | Thunder_Child | s/the// |
| 23:09.58 | Esamynn | depends on the elite |
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| 23:10.17 | Thunder_Child | So they are not consistant? |
| 23:10.30 | Esamynn | heck no |
| 23:11.04 | Thunder_Child | I would have assumed that blizz had a general idea behind elites |
| 23:11.20 | Esamynn | aye, they do |
| 23:11.24 | Thunder_Child | Other than 'hader than normal' |
| 23:11.25 | Esamynn | elites are nastier than normal mobs |
| 23:11.32 | Esamynn | foolish mortal |
| 23:11.46 | Thunder_Child | So I see. |
| 23:11.52 | Semlar-Laptop | what's this about consistency? |
| 23:12.16 | Esamynn | TC was expecting some form of it from blizz |
| 23:12.22 | Semlar-Laptop | why? |
| 23:12.31 | Esamynn | that's what I was wondering |
| 23:15.45 | Amarande | T_C: even normal mobs don't follow general standards, some are much deadlier than others |
| 23:15.57 | Amarande | but elites are even more unique (probably because there are fewer sorts of them) |
| 23:16.11 | Amarande | about the only thing that's consistent about elites is that there seems to usually be a fairly limited range of HP multipliers |
| 23:16.36 | Amarande | but even *that* varies a lot, like in Wrath I remember noticing elites with x3, x4, x5, x6 regular mob HP |
| 23:17.37 | Amarande | I'm presuming it involves some sort of multiplier to the base stats in general, although since we never see mob stats for the most part it's hard to tell |
| 23:18.17 | Amarande | Also explains why melee elites are often so much more evil bastards than caster ones, and some fairly paradoxical seeming things resulting from that :) |
| 23:18.58 | Amarande | like ... I remember it usually being the case, especially in older expansions (where there were more world elites in general, anyways) that the WORST thing, practically full stop, to do when soloing an elite was to interrupt or worse let it go OOM |
| 23:19.25 | Esamynn | haha |
| 23:19.51 | Amarande | well, yeah |
| 23:20.00 | Amarande | oh, and triply so if it was a mob with any sort of "blizzard" or "rain of fire" style attack |
| 23:20.08 | Amarande | those ones were a joke, *unless* you interrupted them or took too long |
| 23:20.19 | Amarande | then they suddenly became very real :| |
| 23:20.56 | Amarande | like that one ogre that used to be in alterac mountains ... pathetic, as long as you let him rain fire and didn't stand in it |
| 23:21.13 | Amarande | interrupt him, though, or take too long (he only had enough mana for 2 or 3 casts or so), and you got pulverised |
| 23:21.50 | Amarande | can't remember if he's still there (probably not elite anymore even if he is) ... for some reason post cata you barely do anything at all in alterac mountains anymore except for greench LOL |
| 23:22.38 | Thunder_Child | ...asshats |
| 23:26.26 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 23:26.39 | airtonix | is this a new reward hat ? |
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| 23:35.14 | airtonix | i was just contacted by a guy who sounded just like Adelei Niska in firefly. |
| 23:36.02 | Gnarfoz | maybe it was him |
| 23:36.11 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt remember how that guy sounded o.o |
| 23:36.38 | airtonix | it was for a django project coming up for the australian government |
| 23:40.16 | airtonix | nevcairiel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJOANZCcJbA#t=203 |
| 23:43.27 | airtonix | bah i can't find one without someone talking over it |
| 23:46.55 | Icicle_ | Time for sleep |
| 23:47.04 | Icicle_ | Thanks for the input :) see you all next time |
