| 00:01.39 | Neffi | "no it's ok human, there's a safe landing spot" |
| 00:09.49 | Dagmar | More like, "You know... this is still in a place I'm trying to sit." |
| 00:10.09 | Dagmar | THey were being "subtle" the first time when they _slowly_ edged the cup away |
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| 00:20.11 | jleclanche | I love this guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aDBGTWsydY |
| 00:20.14 | jleclanche | "This can fit a lot of digits, and we're only using the top row. I mean, if it wasn't for the fact that now mobile phones have shown you how good screens can be, you'd be impressed." |
| 00:30.17 | Neffi | "numberphiles" are a thing? |
| 00:32.16 | jleclanche | Neffi: Numberphile is a youtube channel |
| 00:32.19 | jleclanche | its very good |
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| 00:47.08 | Jamash | why does the mozilla windows development environment install emacs |
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| 00:48.32 | Arrowmaster | why not? its an operating system that can run on anything |
| 00:51.49 | TC-Work | Can it run on ice or oil? |
| 00:52.20 | Jamash | no, ice doesn't burn |
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| 00:53.24 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: well at least that means the FSF has one of those |
| 00:53.29 | Jamash | ~rimshot |
| 00:53.29 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 00:54.30 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: heh |
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| 01:55.12 | Semlar | neffi |
| 01:55.30 | Semlar | why does GetSpellInfo say arcane shot has a cast time of -768000 |
| 01:57.35 | TC-Work | Doesnt the cast time change based on previous casts? |
| 01:57.58 | Semlar | it's instant |
| 01:59.12 | TC-Work | Oh, I'm thinking Mage not Hunter, nvm |
| 01:59.28 | Semlar | i was checking that cast time from GetSpellInfo was == 0 to see if it was instant but i guess i'll have to change it to <= 0 |
| 02:01.51 | Neffi | i dunno |
| 02:02.01 | Semlar | i think you do |
| 02:02.05 | Neffi | maybe |
| 02:02.11 | Neffi | I got mad earlier and uninstalled WoW |
| 02:02.35 | Neffi | Trying to get my looms back again and the GM basically said I never had the looms |
| 02:02.54 | Neffi | After a ridiculous wait time. I wondered, "why would I pay $15 a month for this service?" |
| 02:03.08 | Gnarfoz | where did they go? |
| 02:03.10 | Gnarfoz | the items |
| 02:03.25 | Neffi | Probably they got pruned from the mailbox |
| 02:03.41 | Gnarfoz | after 30 days, like everything else? mail is not storage |
| 02:03.46 | Neffi | I made a druid in Cata and gave him all the agi looms except the daggers. Now they're not there. I don't remember exactly |
| 02:03.51 | Neffi | Yeah, it was not intentional |
| 02:04.17 | Neffi | I have plenty of bank space. I was certain I had them IN my bank. I scoured every character and they were gone, so I assumed they got pruned |
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| 02:05.07 | Neffi | My druid's gear is not very good at all, and I'm not a fan of PvE as it is, so farming them again is something I do NOT want to do |
| 02:06.17 | Neffi | Gnarfoz: Everything gets pruned after 30 days? |
| 02:06.39 | Gnarfoz | why wouldn't it? |
| 02:06.48 | Neffi | Because my acct was inactive for a while, and I was sure I had more gold, so I'm thinking I probably put money in the mail or spent some and had auctions coming in when my acct froze |
| 02:06.57 | Dagmar | Some people are into that kind of thing. |
| 02:07.09 | Neffi | I logged in to like 4000g across all characters. I had like 3 times that last I played |
| 02:07.21 | Dagmar | Don't leave money in the mail |
| 02:07.48 | Neffi | Well, my account froze, so it couldn't be helped. It just explains where the gold went |
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| 02:07.49 | Dagmar | I've probably lost 15-20k in materials in the mail, but clearly I wasn't making use of them anywya |
| 02:08.24 | Dagmar | I started to code an addon just to handle mailing the shit back and forth |
| 02:08.29 | Dagmar | ...but that's a serious hoarding issue |
| 02:08.59 | Neffi | IMO if you're not using mats, sell them off |
| 02:09.10 | Neffi | The price only goes down towards the end of an xpac, and eventually the demand sinks to nothing |
| 02:09.37 | Xuerian | Nah, just wait for two more xpacs |
| 02:09.39 | Xuerian | High demand again |
| 02:09.40 | Neffi | My guild in Cata probably had like 200k worth of materials. At least they were worth that much in early-mid Cata. Fat chance we can recover much if any by selling the stuff now |
| 02:09.49 | Dagmar | For the same reason I was mailing hundreds of things back and forth each month... |
| 02:09.54 | Dagmar | "I MIGHT NEED THEM" |
| 02:10.21 | Dagmar | I would all but strip the paint off the fucking walls in old world dungeons and keep _everything_ |
| 02:10.23 | Neffi | Yeah, I learned the mistake of hoarding mats when me and the co-leader decided to keep it around so we could be charitable and freely give it out to any guildy that asked for something |
| 02:10.33 | Neffi | Nobody ever asked for anything, so we lost a lot of gold letting it sit there |
| 02:10.34 | Xuerian | Dagmar: Never. Play. Starbound. |
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| 02:10.51 | Dagmar | Too late |
| 02:10.55 | Xuerian | GG |
| 02:11.15 | Dagmar | I am actually grinding crap into pixels so I can feed it all to the 3D printer |
| 02:11.25 | Neffi | lol |
| 02:11.25 | Xuerian | Hoarding by proxy :p |
| 02:11.32 | Dagmar | Pretty much |
| 02:11.43 | Xuerian | You have a ship full of the small ape crates right? |
| 02:11.47 | Xuerian | best storage-size ratio. |
| 02:11.51 | Xuerian | and _stackable_. |
| 02:11.58 | Dagmar | Not just ape crates. Every 2x2 crate I could get my hands on |
| 02:12.04 | Neffi | Money is a universal currency. Even if the market inflates, IMO it's still worth selling now, and rebuying later if you find you did need it |
| 02:12.12 | Dagmar | I put platforms across the ship so I could walk under them |
| 02:12.37 | Dagmar | Neffi: Dude I kept eveyrthing. |
| 02:12.46 | Dagmar | Even the things people wouldn't even stick in the AH because no one would use them |
| 02:12.53 | Neffi | hah |
| 02:13.12 | Neffi | I'm the opposite. Unless I think somebody in the guild might need it, I scrub my inventory and banks of shit I dont want |
| 02:13.38 | Neffi | But one of my rogues still has a bunch of poisons in his bag |
| 02:13.42 | Gnarfoz | I don't have room for non-soulbound stuff, pretty much |
| 02:13.44 | Dagmar | Well, there were a few times when a guildie would be making something and I would be begging them to take my mats |
| 02:13.55 | Gnarfoz | it's all sets, vanity items and such |
| 02:14.10 | Dagmar | I feal the idea of player/guild housing |
| 02:14.14 | Dagmar | er fear |
| 02:14.18 | Neffi | haha |
| 02:14.27 | Neffi | I hope that housing comes with some storage options |
| 02:14.36 | Gnarfoz | don't hold your breath |
| 02:14.36 | Xuerian | What, now that they'll have to do it to keep up with the Wildsons? |
| 02:14.47 | Neffi | They should add mannequins too, so you can show off all that cool gear you once earned, but now don't wear |
| 02:15.06 | Dagmar | Our guilds tabs are pretty much long term storage for anything that was purple and not soulbound |
| 02:15.22 | Dagmar | QQ told me I could put materials in there once |
| 02:15.25 | Dagmar | _once_ |
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| 02:15.42 | Dagmar | I emptied a lot of mails, filled four tabs |
| 02:15.58 | Neffi | You'll be able to invite players into your player house? |
| 02:16.14 | Dagmar | ANything to get the RPers off the streets |
| 02:16.25 | Gnarfoz | it's a Garrison, not a house *cough* |
| 02:16.37 | Neffi | I might submit that recommendation for mannequins.. if I thought the developers might see it |
| 02:16.40 | Dagmar | Goldshire might become PG again instead of R-OMGWTF |
| 02:16.57 | Gnarfoz | and since there's no way these are not going to be instanced or phased, there's no way anyone but grouped people will be able to see yours |
| 02:17.00 | Gnarfoz | (if that) |
| 02:17.06 | Dagmar | Well, we know at least the model for armor stands exist |
| 02:17.25 | Gnarfoz | because it's used in the shrines in MoP, yeah. |
| 02:17.33 | Neffi | I loved the feature in Skyrim home mods, but it's hard to show off all your loot'd up mannequins in a single player game |
| 02:17.33 | Dagmar | ...and the city |
| 02:17.44 | Gnarfoz | the city? |
| 02:18.10 | Dagmar | The main teleportation and banking hub |
| 02:18.22 | Gnarfoz | you mean: the shrines? |
| 02:18.50 | Dagmar | I wasn't really paying attention to much there other than they were on a balcony and some NPC was going on about how awesome the armor sets were |
| 02:18.59 | Dagmar | Like "Hey! You can get these now!" |
| 02:19.24 | Gnarfoz | they're showing off the Challenge Mode gold reward sets |
| 02:19.38 | Dagmar | Yeah, but they don't really look much like "shrines" to me |
| 02:19.44 | Gnarfoz | + they're right next to the raid token vendors |
| 02:19.46 | Gnarfoz | what? |
| 02:19.48 | Gnarfoz | http://wowpedia.org/Shrine_of_Seven_Stars |
| 02:19.53 | Gnarfoz | they're *in the shrines* |
| 02:20.14 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 02:20.31 | Gnarfoz | (: |
| 02:20.35 | Dagmar | There's a _reason_ I play a dwarf |
| 02:20.48 | Gnarfoz | to not get stuck on door frames when riding a mount? |
| 02:20.55 | Dagmar | No one questions it when you're mainly asking "So there's probably loot this way, right?" |
| 02:21.11 | Gnarfoz | (Draenei + Mammoth = argh) |
| 02:22.55 | Dagmar | Neffi: I have a horrible time with Skyrim. I actually have to divvy up stuff in different chests |
| 02:23.12 | Neffi | A good house mod does wonders |
| 02:23.19 | Neffi | Named storage with commonsense placement |
| 02:23.20 | Dagmar | Well, yes because more chests. |
| 02:23.33 | Dagmar | THe game doesn't like it when you've got 1,000+ potions in one box |
| 02:23.43 | Neffi | My ore storage is a shelf with static ore models on them which acts like a chest |
| 02:23.52 | Neffi | etc |
| 02:24.10 | Dagmar | I kinda miss the arrow trick from the previous one |
| 02:24.19 | Neffi | I have no problem packing one container with tons of stuff. I had to do it when I was testing stuff and spawning thousands of items |
| 02:24.34 | Dagmar | I dont' like waiting 20 seconds for the bloody thing to open |
| 02:24.35 | Neffi | But the default UI is a pita. SkyUI is much better |
| 02:24.53 | Neffi | Yeah I dont have that problem w/ SkyUI. and my comp's not exactly high end |
| 02:25.14 | Neffi | What arrow trick is this? |
| 02:26.20 | Dagmar | If you wanted to *really* make a mess, you could hold an item in front of you, then fire an arrow at it, and then switch out something or other real quick, and it would actually duplicate the item by the number of arrows left |
| 02:26.38 | Dagmar | So, you could pretty much litter your home with gems with a quickness, and call it done |
| 02:27.10 | Neffi | ` -> player.additem xxxxx 100000 |
| 02:27.21 | Neffi | although 100000 items might be excessive |
| 02:27.31 | Dagmar | Yes, but didn't that make a neat stack? |
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| 02:27.58 | Neffi | I believe you can spawn them on the ground |
| 02:28.46 | Dagmar | Yes, but it's more amusing when they spawn in midair and go _everywhere_ |
| 02:29.15 | Neffi | Dagmar: http://imgur.com/gallery/AH881 |
| 02:30.07 | Dagmar | I had diamonds about six inches deep in the basement of the haunted house |
| 02:30.16 | Dagmar | I can see where he's coming from. Heh |
| 02:30.41 | Neffi | I forget how terrible the lighting in Skyrim is |
| 02:30.57 | Neffi | http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/27043/? <- such a must have |
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| 02:51.14 | Amarande | heh Gnarfoz ... even the smaller races have their debacles on mammoths |
| 02:51.36 | Amarande | for instance blood elf females are pretty slight, I think they may be smaller than every other horde race/gender combo except for the goblins |
| 02:51.51 | Amarande | ... I still managed to die of mammoth in Undercity on one :P |
| 02:53.05 | Amarande | "dammit, I don't fit through the door!" *click dismount, JUST as the door slams shut, and I don't drop the three feet to the ground before the elevator starts down, so I ride the thing all the way to the bottom and go splat* |
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| 03:14.40 | Jamash | it's how they feed the aboms for free |
| 03:24.03 | pompy | http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/23/22420689-at-least-three-dead-in-accident-involving-15-semis-on-indiana-freeway?lite dayum |
| 03:25.32 | kd3 | wow |
| 03:28.32 | Amarande | and around here a while back someone earned death for doing the legal thing in an accident |
| 03:29.23 | pompy | its like why the fuck are you driving on the interstate or any busy road for that matter during a snowstorm?> |
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| 03:30.40 | Amarande | apparently in that case, she got out of the car to exchange insurance info, only to find she really needed life insurance, not car insurance ... |
| 03:30.54 | Amarande | ... as she got waxed by the next car in what was to end up being a several-cars chain-reaction crash |
| 03:34.33 | znf | Hmm... I wanted to sign up on Microlancer.com as a service provider. Their fee is 30% :-| |
| 03:34.38 | znf | Isn't that a shitloads for a freelancing website? |
| 03:38.45 | Amarande | znf: blame apple, microsoft, etc. |
| 03:39.00 | Amarande | 30% seems to have practically become the standard cut for marketplace type services :S |
| 03:39.14 | znf | Except these are not exactly micro-transactions... |
| 03:39.30 | Amarande | some app transactions aren't exactly micro either |
| 03:39.42 | Amarande | that's why the ios version of the kindle app pretty much only lets you read books, not buy them :) |
| 03:40.31 | Amarande | I think there may still be that one book on the MS app store that's $1,000, too LOL |
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| 04:13.55 | pompy | http://www.hgst.com/press-room/press-releases/hgst-ships-6TB-Ultrastar-HE6-helium-filled :O a while back, but still |
| 04:32.40 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/01/google-patents-ad-powered-taxi-service-that-would-offer-free-rides-to-shoppers/ |
| 04:35.15 | Amarande | hm, you know what I'd love to see WoW revamp for WoD |
| 04:35.22 | Amarande | that I was thinking of while playing LOTRO |
| 04:37.22 | Amarande | quest mob recognition |
| 04:37.38 | Amarande | LOTRO is almost perfect with it, and it makes me notice WoW's deficiencies in the same |
| 04:38.13 | Amarande | particularly: rare and named mobs in LOTRO are almost always counted as mobs of their type for quest purposes, while in WoW they almost never are, only the generic ones generally do |
| 04:39.05 | Amarande | e.g., (rare) is an Orc. You have a quest that just says "kill Orcs" ... LOTRO will recognise that it was an Orc, OTOH if you kill a rare Orc in WoW while you're on a quest to kill Orcs, it doesn't normally get counted as an Orc. |
| 04:44.32 | Neffi | I wouldn't cal that an oversight, but a design choice |
| 04:44.50 | Neffi | Besides, an Orc is not an Orc. There are different tribes/communities/allegiances/whatever |
| 04:45.37 | Neffi | Because a few Orcs decided to raid a poor gnome's village, you should go on mass genocide of all Orc-kin? Racist |
| 04:45.39 | Arrowmaster | especially since certain named quest mobs might be technically something that could count for a more generic quest but that mob is flagged to almost instantly respawn for its quest so it could be abused |
| 04:59.43 | pompy | http://www.nbcnews.com/science/sleeping-rosetta-spacecraft-wakes-historic-comet-rendezvous-landin-2D11958372 for science |
| 05:15.59 | pompy | http://www.zdnet.com/facebook-remote-code-execution-bug-nets-researcher-33500-7000025477/ :o |
| 05:17.19 | pompy | "Facebook has rewarded Silva with a bounty of $33,500. It came to this figure by asking its group of program administrators for their payout recommendations and taking the average." |
| 05:32.21 | Mr_Rabies | ugh |
| 05:32.22 | Ressy | dang |
| 05:32.33 | Mr_Rabies | i really hope google fixes pepper flash before version 34 |
| 05:32.37 | Mr_Rabies | it's such a pile of garbage |
| 05:32.41 | Mr_Rabies | if they don't, i' |
| 05:32.47 | Mr_Rabies | ll probably go back to firefox :/ |
| 05:34.28 | Fisker | hey jleclanche |
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| 07:26.21 | Sintacks | mmm. spam |
| 07:30.50 | Mr_Rabies | meef of champions |
| 07:31.38 | Sintacks | lol |
| 07:35.16 | zenzio | so, looks like Ukraine's anti-demonstration law backfired pretty badly. I wonder how long this will go on for |
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| 08:17.49 | Sintacks | -- UnitLevel("unit") returns wrong lvl if the player is drunk |
| 08:17.50 | Sintacks | wat |
| 08:18.02 | nebula169 | everyone is over lv18? |
| 08:18.20 | Sintacks | haha |
| 08:18.26 | Sintacks | took me a minute to get what you said ... |
| 08:18.36 | nebula169 | :p |
| 08:19.28 | Mr_Rabies | Sintacks: levels of drunkenness reduce visible target level, so i guess they wanted that to not be avoidable by Unitframe addons or something? or the built in UI uses that function? :o |
| 08:19.43 | Mr_Rabies | i think fully drunk is like -5 levels or something? |
| 08:19.45 | Sintacks | it's in WoWhead Looter |
| 08:20.08 | Mr_Rabies | well that could be a serious issue with something like wowhead looter lol |
| 08:20.27 | Sintacks | yeah |
| 08:20.31 | Sintacks | i just found it funny |
| 08:21.18 | Mr_Rabies | i'm guessing they have something built in on the site side that would require a lot of drunk people fudging the numbers for it to effect much |
| 08:21.48 | Mr_Rabies | throwing out outliers, etc |
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| 09:29.51 | karl_w_w | Arrowmaster, Torhal |
| 09:30.10 | karl_w_w | I wasn't just highlighting you, there was more but I pressed enter! |
| 09:30.46 | karl_w_w | I believe cats push things off high places like that to judge the falling speed cos they want to jump off |
| 09:37.14 | karl_w_w | for science! |
| 09:37.30 | nevcairiel | falling speed is a constant, they should learn that |
| 09:39.07 | karl_w_w | cats don't have a strong aptitude for learning from others, they need to verify their own results |
| 09:42.14 | Cairenn | tell that to my cats >< |
| 09:42.43 | Cairenn | they've proved repeatedly that they love to learn each others' bad habits ... |
| 09:43.09 | zenzio | that's "positive reinforcement" in cat-land |
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| 09:59.41 | Icicle | Morning |
| 09:59.46 | zenzio | ahoy |
| 10:00.28 | Icicle | Hows everyone today |
| 10:01.01 | zenzio | counting down the hours :-p Five more to go... |
| 10:01.23 | Icicle | what for? |
| 10:01.29 | Icicle | what happens? |
| 10:01.37 | zenzio | weekend \o/ |
| 10:03.10 | Icicle | ahha :D |
| 10:03.15 | Icicle | brb, quick reboot |
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| 10:05.03 | Icicle | There we go, maybe some peace and quiet from Windows update now |
| 10:16.04 | g0urra | you mean that it gives you notifications? |
| 10:16.20 | Icicle | it asks to install updates |
| 10:16.26 | Icicle | and wants me to either delay it for 10mins - 4 hours |
| 10:16.30 | Icicle | or restart now |
| 10:16.45 | Icicle | been delaying it for 4 hours for about a week now... :P |
| 10:17.18 | zenzio | the easiest way to deal with it is to just not give it an answer at all |
| 10:17.44 | zenzio | just be careful not to press N right after switching windows, or you might inadvertently hit the "Reboot now" button if that window received focus |
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| 10:24.34 | g0urra | Icicle: I've turned that off completelyy.. windows update > settings > download updates but let me choose if they should be installed (or something like that I have swedish win7) |
| 10:31.38 | Icicle | Can't sadly |
| 10:31.50 | Icicle | IT has configured it so I can't mess with it |
| 10:32.02 | Icicle | it => my work PC |
| 10:32.12 | Icicle | already do this at home :) |
| 10:32.50 | karl_w_w | i bet you can get a portal program which'll automatically delay for you |
| 10:32.56 | karl_w_w | portable* |
| 10:43.18 | Icicle | I think I remember the same |
| 10:43.37 | Icicle | will look into that after IT finishes deploying the new site to the server cluster ;) |
| 10:43.49 | Icicle | rather not upset them before-hand ;) |
| 10:53.57 | zenzio | "When you decide to shop and feed your family, would you rather go and buy the required amount, or would you, every day, wait at home until everyone is at home, count them, lock them up in a mutex, go shopping for the computed quantity of family members, and then cook?" |
| 10:54.25 | zenzio | I'm perhaps too easily amused, but the "lock them in a mutex"-part made me chuckle |
| 11:05.38 | Jamash | I use distributed lock-free shopping, which is very convenient until I find that four copies of me have each purchased a month's groceries |
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| 11:35.16 | karl_w_w | http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081111213001AAGuPqY hohoho that first answer |
| 11:36.39 | karl_w_w | top answer* |
| 11:39.03 | zenzio | heh |
| 11:39.40 | zenzio | I guess most people don't keep a sudoku... book/magazine/whatever the word is in English... in their bathrooms |
| 11:40.31 | karl_w_w | the word is catamaran |
| 11:56.36 | Amarande | puts karl on a boat |
| 11:57.43 | zenzio | so tempting.... https://www.netthandelen.no/auction/11874996 |
| 12:06.28 | karl_w_w | it's not real zenzio |
| 12:06.41 | zenzio | it's close enough |
| 12:06.56 | zenzio | 50x34 cm, firing range ~25 meters |
| 12:10.12 | nevcairiel | what does it fire? :p |
| 12:10.23 | zenzio | softgun pellets I believe |
| 12:11.02 | zenzio | former colleague (who now works at that website) says they're still finding them everywhere after they tested them out |
| 12:11.13 | nevcairiel | would be awesome if there was a camera in the tower and you could completely control it over your tablet while looking through the cam |
| 12:11.50 | zenzio | yeah |
| 13:06.04 | karl_w_w | Arrowmaster, make suggest of good anime pleases. related: code geass, good/bad/ass? |
| 13:08.25 | zenzio | geass? |
| 13:11.18 | Neffi | It seems weird to me that they cast these people to do voice acting in an MMO.. http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/news/post/2014/01/23/esos-voice-cast-announced |
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| 13:14.27 | karl_w_w | cant click that link Neffi |
| 13:15.17 | karl_w_w | it leads to a date of birth test that redirects to the home page, every time |
| 13:16.46 | Neffi | John Cleese, Bill Nighy, Kate Beckinsale, Alfred Molina, Lynda Carter, Michael Gambon, Malcom McDowell |
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| 13:17.21 | zenzio | John Cleese? Kate Beckinsale I could picture |
| 13:17.29 | zenzio | the other names don't ring a bell |
| 13:17.30 | Neffi | There's some awesome voices among them, but why would they hire established actors for a video game? The cost must be high. And it's not like there aren't plenty of talented voice actors in the industry |
| 13:17.42 | Neffi | this might help http://static.elderscrollsonline.com/assets/img/cms/media/blogs/1c426fb3130b9cf4451202bde76ac1d4.jpg |
| 13:18.15 | zenzio | Neffi: depends how many they want... Mass Effect had quite a few big voice actors I think |
| 13:18.36 | Neffi | I love that Dumbledore is playing a wizard though |
| 13:18.53 | zenzio | well, I recognize the guy in the bottom middle, but the other guys - not so much (apart from CLeese of course) |
| 13:19.24 | Neffi | Bottom left is Dumbledore from Harry Potter. Bottom right, I forget where I know him from but I really like his voice too. |
| 13:19.25 | karl_w_w | you dont know who bill nighy is? that's just sad |
| 13:19.30 | Neffi | And the guy next to Cleese isn't bad |
| 13:19.37 | zenzio | I'm not very well versed in actors |
| 13:19.56 | karl_w_w | i dont know who 3 of them are |
| 13:20.07 | Neffi | Bill Nighy did the museum curator in the Van Gogh episode of Dr Who, no? |
| 13:20.13 | karl_w_w | 1, 2, and 4, if ordered left to right top to bottom |
| 13:20.25 | karl_w_w | he did Neffi, uncredited role |
| 13:20.58 | karl_w_w | cos he's too good to need credit from dr who |
| 13:21.08 | Neffi | lol |
| 13:21.23 | Neffi | He's a face I know that I know, but I can't pin the movies I've seen him in |
| 13:21.57 | mikma | you guys and girls should rewatch the episode: the girl in the fireplace.. |
| 13:22.02 | mikma | oh gawd the feelings |
| 13:22.03 | karl_w_w | i dont think I've ever liked gambon in a role |
| 13:22.12 | Neffi | I like that episode mikma :) |
| 13:22.33 | Neffi | karl_w_w: why not? He was damned awesome in Harry Potter |
| 13:22.38 | karl_w_w | or the guy from star trek generations |
| 13:22.45 | karl_w_w | you take that back! |
| 13:22.59 | Neffi | Well I liked him |
| 13:26.14 | Neffi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na-Jun_uRFQ#t=627 heh Bill Nighy plays a king. cool |
| 13:28.23 | mikma | he did a nice role in HGTTG :D |
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| 14:21.21 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/a3tWzZS.jpg Dr Who fans |
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| 14:42.01 | zenzio | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/14/q1/e98/Pic-1.jpg - hey DailyWTF, you can indeed make fun of this, but it would have been less of an issue if they didn't change the user agent string in 11 |
| 14:43.52 | Workfoz | they did it to not get served all those horrible IE workarounds |
| 14:44.02 | Workfoz | really no other sane way out |
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| 14:45.59 | zenzio | true enough |
| 14:46.18 | zenzio | but I still get peeved about people who go LOLing at websites that haven't updated their checks |
| 14:56.49 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 14:57.00 | bluspacecow | someone implemented RFC 1149 |
| 14:57.04 | bluspacecow | LOLOLOLOLOLOL |
| 14:57.05 | bluspacecow | http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ |
| 14:57.26 | Dagmar | Probably UDP only |
| 14:59.48 | Dagmar | Workfoz: I would say a more sensible solution to avoid being given IE workarounds would be to stop using fucking IE. |
| 15:02.12 | Dagmar | If that were on Reddit the thing to do would be to add a circle around the IE logo, 96pt Impact 'LOL', arrows pointing to both the IE circle and the Chase logo (because using IE for a banking site... seriously?) and then 'FIXED' down at the bottom. |
| 15:05.22 | karl_w_w | does rfc include strong error correction? |
| 15:05.28 | karl_w_w | rfc 1149* |
| 15:06.14 | Ressy | 1250 |
| 15:06.24 | Ressy | 770 |
| 15:06.34 | nevcairiel | its just the transport protocol, the transmission protocol deals with error handling, ie TCP over IP/AC |
| 15:06.35 | Ressy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.36 | Neffi | that was the nerdiest "do u even lift" I've ever heard, karl_w_w |
| 15:06.45 | Ressy | 3r356365e36y7e |
| 15:07.29 | bluspacecow | (!) |
| 15:07.33 | bluspacecow | Ressy's password ! |
| 15:07.42 | Ressy | qwertertyyuiop[]5 |
| 15:07.50 | bluspacecow | .... |
| 15:07.52 | karl_w_w | Passw0rd |
| 15:07.53 | bluspacecow | hi nathan |
| 15:07.56 | karl_w_w | o fuk |
| 15:08.54 | Workfoz | Dagmar: I doubt "stop using IE" is a solution for the IE developers? ;-) The UA change is not something users are doing, Microsoft changed IE11's UA =] |
| 15:09.45 | Workfoz | bluspacecow: is that her cat's name? |
| 15:09.53 | bluspacecow | no |
| 15:09.59 | bluspacecow | son's name |
| 15:10.13 | Workfoz | almost the same \o/ |
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| 15:52.34 | Dagmar | Workfoz: I'm actually find with that they've changed it's name, considering that the reason they originally changed it from declaring proudly that it was IE was because they were ignoring what that's for and basiclaly trying to claim they were compatible with netscape |
| 15:52.57 | Dagmar | They totally didn't grok that it's just supposed to identify the goddamnn browser |
| 16:12.57 | karl_w_w | is everybody looking forward to the weekend weekend? |
| 16:14.02 | Neffi | what's a weekend weekend? |
| 16:16.05 | rid_ | weekendception |
| 16:16.45 | karl_w_w | it's when we'll be partying partying, yeah? |
| 16:17.20 | Neffi | I think somebody broke karl_w_w |
| 16:17.44 | karl_w_w | yesterday was thursday thursday |
| 16:18.04 | karl_w_w | tomorrow is saturday and sunday comes afterwards |
| 16:18.10 | Semlar | no |
| 16:18.11 | rid_ | Neffi: karl_w |
| 16:18.14 | rid_ | fixed it for you |
| 16:18.20 | Semlar | neffi |
| 16:19.51 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.10 | karl_w_w | I don't want this weekend to end |
| 16:21.36 | karl_w_w | it's going to be fun fun fun fun |
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| 16:23.07 | karl_w_w | Semlar, what the poop? |
| 16:23.39 | karl_w_w | 1) what are those arrows, 2) what is the voice? |
| 16:23.53 | karl_w_w | 3) what is that bodypull thing |
| 16:24.09 | Semlar | that's just me |
| 16:24.34 | Kraps | is the D3 expac any good |
| 16:24.52 | Arrowmaster | *sigh* https://twitter.com/terrycavanagh/status/426519957585661952/photo/1 |
| 16:24.57 | Kraps | ...its not out yet is it |
| 16:25.08 | Neffi | i eat u Semlar http://i.imgur.com/o2tF9wT.png |
| 16:25.26 | Semlar | how do i taste |
| 16:25.32 | Neffi | pretty good |
| 16:25.36 | Neffi | why don't you have pet? |
| 16:25.46 | Semlar | i'm not a very good hunter |
| 16:26.09 | Neffi | lol |
| 16:28.41 | Semlar | wait a minute, other people can hear the voice? |
| 16:28.46 | Semlar | i thought that was just in my head |
| 16:28.53 | Neffi | O.o |
| 16:28.59 | karl_w_w | haha Semlar you ran into the whirlwind dude and nearly died |
| 16:29.06 | Semlar | i didn't run into him |
| 16:29.08 | Semlar | i would have died |
| 16:30.04 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.24 | Gethe_ | Semlar: what is making those arrows? |
| 16:30.35 | Neffi | it's pleasing watching you die semlar |
| 16:30.38 | Semlar | my nameplate addon |
| 16:30.45 | Semlar | why is it always the arrows |
| 16:31.20 | karl_w_w | because the arrows dammit! |
| 16:31.23 | karl_w_w | and the voice! |
| 16:31.23 | Neffi | they're a pretty unique feature |
| 16:31.26 | Semlar | THE ARROWS |
| 16:31.33 | Semlar | not that unique, i stole them from another addon |
| 16:31.39 | Neffi | huh |
| 16:31.41 | karl_w_w | seems pretty cpu intensive |
| 16:32.09 | Gethe | what other addon i've never seen such a feature |
| 16:32.22 | Semlar | they're from NPA nameplate advance |
| 16:32.24 | Semlar | sort of |
| 16:32.54 | Semlar | at least the concept is |
| 16:33.09 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.34 | Kraps | whoa https://us.battle.net/shop/en/product/world-of-warcraft-mount-iron-skyreaver |
| 16:34.13 | Semlar | i implemented them a lot differently though |
| 16:35.00 | Semlar | each string of arrows is just one texture |
| 16:38.17 | Semlar | all things considered my nameplates don't seem to have much of an impact on my frame rate |
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| 16:43.22 | Gethe | have you realesed this nameplate addon? you should. |
| 16:43.29 | Semlar | i have not |
| 16:43.33 | Gethe | released* |
| 16:43.46 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.53 | pompy1 | dont do it |
| 16:43.59 | Gethe | cool |
| 16:45.07 | Gethe | ROFL thats an awesome front page semlar |
| 16:45.14 | Semlar | actually hang on i need to reupload that |
| 16:45.34 | Semlar | there's a bug in that one that needed to be fixed |
| 16:46.28 | Semlar | alright, it should be good now |
| 16:47.21 | TC-Work | That looks like a vomiting ghost. |
| 16:47.39 | Semlar | maybe it is |
| 16:47.59 | Neffi | it ate semlar then it vomitted |
| 16:48.04 | Semlar | why neffi |
| 16:48.12 | Neffi | i dont know semlar |
| 16:51.41 | Semlar | is it because of the arrows |
| 16:56.17 | Semlar | let me know if you have any issues with it Gethe |
| 16:56.33 | Semlar | the whole thing is pretty experimental |
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| 16:58.33 | Gethe | sure |
| 17:00.46 | Semlar | if something breaks blame it on neffi |
| 17:02.10 | Gethe | will do! |
| 17:02.32 | Gethe | are there any options or commands? |
| 17:02.37 | Semlar | ha |
| 17:02.56 | Semlar | options |
| 17:04.13 | Semlar | not to speak of, no |
| 17:04.17 | Gethe | it's fine if there isn't, just thought id ask |
| 17:04.46 | Semlar | it will recognize the nameplate options in the interface though |
| 17:05.50 | Semlar | the cast bar can apparently be turned off under the combat menu, i don't know why it's not with the rest of the nameplate settings, probably because that would make too much sense |
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| 17:07.13 | Semlar | turning the cast bar off won't turn off the instant casts so i wouldn't recommend it |
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| 17:07.54 | Gethe | i prefer seeing casts anyway |
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| 17:08.56 | Semlar | it'll display instants as if they were an uninterruptible 1 second channeled cast |
| 17:09.38 | Gethe | cool |
| 17:10.20 | Semlar | and the castbar will have a red background if it's uninterruptible |
| 17:10.20 | Gethe | i like the arrows thing. it'll help with yellingg at people attaking nazgrim while in defensive |
| 17:10.54 | Semlar | the arrows show targeting information but only if it has a guid for the nameplate |
| 17:11.29 | Semlar | they should always work for your target |
| 17:11.45 | Semlar | after that it's kind of complicated |
| 17:12.45 | Semlar | showing all nameplates is alt+v or something, i don't remember if that's the default hotkey or not |
| 17:13.22 | Gethe | ctrl+v; alt is hide |
| 17:13.34 | Semlar | it should just be a toggle |
| 17:14.08 | Gethe | ctrl+is toggle alt is just hide |
| 17:14.24 | Gethe | no mad is only enemy |
| 17:14.30 | Gethe | no mod* |
| 17:14.56 | Semlar | oh i probably rebound it because i use ctrl v |
| 17:15.26 | Semlar | for one of my spells |
| 17:18.05 | Semlar | also the clickable area of the nameplate is centered on the name |
| 17:18.11 | Neffi | why blame me? |
| 17:18.24 | Neffi | ~lart Semlar |
| 17:18.24 | purl | calls Semlar on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home |
| 17:18.27 | Semlar | everyone needs a scapegoat neffi |
| 17:18.30 | Gethe | why not? |
| 17:18.43 | Neffi | :| |
| 17:18.57 | Unkle | Blame Neffi - It's like Blaming Canada, but you get a response in IRC. |
| 17:19.45 | Lopeppeppy | Hmmm. I suspicion that, Unkle. |
| 17:20.57 | TC-Work | Actually Unkle, you get a repsonse in IRC when you blame Canada as well. |
| 17:21.16 | Unkle | When I blame Canada for something, it doesn't say anything in IRC. "Hey Unkle, why is it so cold today?" "It's Canada's fault. They're exporting frigid air to the south of them." IRC: ... |
| 17:21.49 | TC-Work | Canada does not, but Canucks do. |
| 17:21.50 | Semlar | ... |
| 17:22.29 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.09 | Dagmar | I don't care whose fault it is. I would prefer if it stopped being below freezing for awhile.... or actually maybe averaged out a bit. |
| 17:23.23 | Neffi | It gives the impression that everyone is trying *really* hard to poke the same person |
| 17:23.43 | Semlar | i have no idea what's going on in this screenshot |
| 17:23.47 | Unkle | Dagmar: Move to Leftie-Land. We have really nice weather. |
| 17:24.08 | Dagmar | High on Sunday 47F. High on Tuesday, freaking 14F again. |
| 17:24.30 | Dagmar | Unkle: I've been to San Fran. They don't even _have_ weather by the standards of Nashville. |
| 17:24.32 | Unkle | I had dinner/drinks on the patio of a local bar last night. sipping whiskey and watching the sun god down in glorious mid-70s (f) temps. |
| 17:24.57 | Dagmar | Some woman at the hair salon was telling me I'd catch my death for walking six blocks "in the rain". |
| 17:25.01 | TC-Work | sun god huh? |
| 17:25.03 | Dagmar | My hair hadn't even wilted. |
| 17:25.33 | Dagmar | I'm like "if I can walk in and hang my coat up and it's already _dry_ by the time I've turned around, what you have does not qualify as rain from where I'm from." |
| 17:25.41 | Unkle | Dagmar: I'm north of there. We're generally warmer since we're not right on the bay. |
| 17:25.48 | Neffi | umm, hmm |
| 17:25.58 | Neffi | Are passives supposed to show their internal cooldown or something? |
| 17:26.14 | Neffi | My cooldown display just picked up Touch of the Grave. Never happened before |
| 17:26.40 | Dagmar | Well, if they're showing up now that'll be handy at least for shot/cast prediction |
| 17:27.01 | Neffi | yeah, it stopped happening |
| 17:27.07 | Neffi | I'm gonna have to investigate that |
| 17:27.07 | Semlar | you broke it |
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| 17:35.45 | Icicle | Time to venture into the unknown, the fearful, and scariest thing I've done in 3 days or so |
| 17:35.48 | Icicle | My girlfriend's cooking |
| 17:35.50 | Icicle | see you :) |
| 17:35.53 | Neffi | lol |
| 17:37.32 | Neffi | Ah yeah, Touch of the Grave is showing a cooldown in my spellbook. |
| 17:37.45 | Neffi | Does anyone know if that works for other spells too? |
| 17:44.26 | Semlar | i've never had it track blink strikes |
| 17:47.56 | Semlar | which is too bad because that would actually be useful |
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| 17:49.44 | Neffi | internal cooldowns was something I was gonna add eventually. This makes me hopeful that there's a mechanic to finding that cooldown, so I dont have to keep a database of them |
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| 17:50.59 | Semlar | i can tell you there isn't any way to get the internal cooldown of blink strikes through the api |
| 17:51.26 | Dagmar | heh |
| 17:51.47 | Semlar | so it's probably limited to certain spells |
| 17:52.33 | Semlar | you can't even detect that it's been used, it's really annoying |
| 17:53.10 | Neffi | you can't detect it through CLEU? |
| 17:53.49 | Semlar | it literally just changes the pet's basic attack to teleport it behind the target if it happens to be off of the internal cooldown |
| 17:53.55 | Semlar | and it's out of range |
| 17:54.00 | Semlar | and it happens to feel like using it |
| 17:54.05 | VIad | :o |
| 17:54.23 | Semlar | sometimes it prefers to just walk |
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| 17:54.57 | Semlar | there is absolutely nothing you can detect that would indicate that blink strikes has been used |
| 17:55.42 | Neffi | detects Semlar. |
| 17:56.25 | Semlar | i even tried detecting that the pet used bite outside of range of growl of the target but that produced a ton of false positives |
| 17:57.48 | Neffi | some things make me glad I dont play a hunter anymore |
| 17:57.50 | Semlar | what's even better is that "pet-target" doesn't necessarily exist when it uses its ability |
| 17:58.19 | Semlar | nor does it necessarily indicate the unit that it's casting on |
| 17:59.03 | Semlar | there can be a delay before it has a target even after it's used its ability on it |
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| 18:01.13 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.12 | Neffi | downloads. |
| 18:13.25 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:13.34 | Fisker | I fell asleep :( |
| 18:20.38 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: so have you decided whether you're coming to fosdem? |
| 18:26.42 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: id come but i just got laid off and probably cant afford the trip, also i dont have a passport |
| 18:30.39 | Arrowmaster | US passports are good for 10 years right? i should get one |
| 18:30.59 | Arrowmaster | problem is that requires getting a good photo of myself to send in |
| 18:32.18 | nevcairiel | the photo is your big problem? =P |
| 18:33.27 | nevcairiel | jleclanche: i probably wont go |
| 18:34.08 | Arrowmaster | i finally updated my facebook profile photo to one taken at blizzcon2013, the previous photo was taken newyears2005 |
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| 18:36.10 | Gnarfoz | so did pompy1 |
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| 18:36.20 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: And it's ~$130 |
| 18:37.06 | nevcairiel | around here they have small photo booths at the same government office where you have to go anyway to request it, with on-screen instructions how to sit, how to look, and whatnot, so it qualifies as a biometric photo, so i just used those when i got mine instead of worrying :p |
| 18:37.49 | Arrowmaster | TC-Work: $130 every 10 years isnt bad at all, which is why i should get one, unless they need my original SS card to issue it because ive only got a copy of that |
| 18:38.10 | nevcairiel | you lost your social security card? :P |
| 18:38.35 | Gnarfoz | also, basically any halfway decent photo shop knows how to take those biometric blah pictures for our passports |
| 18:38.38 | Gnarfoz | ;o |
| 18:38.40 | TC-Work | SS card doesnt work. Needs to be a Birth cert or expired Passport more or less |
| 18:38.45 | Arrowmaster | my mom did, then she got a new one issued for me, made a photo copy of it, then lost the new original again |
| 18:39.21 | nevcairiel | you need to carry your birth cert to places? |
| 18:39.37 | Arrowmaster | birth cert works, when i was born they were trying something new so i have a copy of my birth cert on a laminated card in my wallet |
| 18:39.42 | TC-Work | This is to do it by mail order |
| 18:39.44 | nevcairiel | isnt your drivers license your national id more or less? |
| 18:39.53 | Arrowmaster | drivers license is a state id |
| 18:40.12 | kd3|hate`net | which the federal government also tends to accept as valid id |
| 18:40.22 | TC-Work | needs to be an original of birth cert or old passport and a copy of something like your drivers license |
| 18:41.37 | TC-Work | Kind of a pain in the ass, but I have an old passport I can send in. |
| 18:41.52 | TC-Work | Since I don't know what happened to my more recent one. |
| 18:42.43 | Arrowmaster | i showed up to take a CompTIA test and they needed two forms of ID, luckly they considered a credit card with my name on it a form of ID along with my drivers license |
| 18:43.03 | Semlar | A+ |
| 18:43.21 | TC-Work | ~lart Semlar |
| 18:43.21 | purl | slaps Semlar upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 18:43.25 | Semlar | :( |
| 18:43.28 | Arrowmaster | A+ Network+ and Security+, all done before they switched from lifetime to renewal |
| 18:43.41 | kd3 | whee, new toys on the wiki are fun |
| 18:43.53 | kd3 | we can create templates in lua now |
| 18:44.03 | Neffi | which wiki? |
| 18:44.11 | kd3 | ...wowpedia? |
| 18:44.16 | Neffi | oh cool |
| 18:44.16 | Arrowmaster | lua is spreading everywhere |
| 18:46.36 | Gnarfoz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c_bjSoB1La8 pretty sweet |
| 18:49.15 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: almost sounds like all are done by the same person |
| 18:49.41 | Gnarfoz | just goes to show how much effort goes into Disney movies =) |
| 18:50.00 | nevcairiel | i've heard good things about frozen in general |
| 18:50.05 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 18:50.10 | Arrowmaster | see it if you havent |
| 18:51.04 | nevcairiel | i'll get it when its out on blu-ray |
| 18:51.34 | Arrowmaster | that works too |
| 18:53.10 | zenzelezz | kd3: that made me think of lua with C++ templates |
| 18:56.23 | Arrowmaster | oh nice hes got his own imdb page |
| 18:56.38 | Arrowmaster | my high school friends little brother http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5027427/ |
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| 19:05.01 | jleclanche | anyone got issues with gmail/google accounts? |
| 19:05.20 | nevcairiel | no |
| 19:05.41 | Arrowmaster | i havent noticed anything |
| 19:05.49 | nevcairiel | got a message a few minutes ago that gmail virus scanners are offline though, when opening a mail |
| 19:06.00 | TC-Work | Yes |
| 19:06.04 | TC-Work | Gmail is borked |
| 19:06.43 | Arrowmaster | yup down |
| 19:07.02 | Arrowmaster | 2014/01/24 the day "the E-Mail" went down |
| 19:07.16 | nevcairiel | its not like its the first time that gmail is unreachable for a short time |
| 19:07.42 | TC-Work | But gmail is down. Shit is going to be flipped |
| 19:08.02 | Arrowmaster | TC-Work: have fun |
| 19:08.15 | TC-Work | The calls are coming in already |
| 19:08.20 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: rofl |
| 19:08.21 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 19:08.23 | jleclanche | https://pay.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1w1y5m/we_are_the_google_site_reliability_engineering/ |
| 19:08.27 | jleclanche | submitted 3 minutes ago by sre_pointyhair Google SRE |
| 19:08.45 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: To be fair, when blackberry was down shit got flipped as well |
| 19:08.59 | Arrowmaster | lol blackberry |
| 19:09.32 | nevcairiel | jleclanche: obviously they went to the AMA instead of taking care of the servers |
| 19:09.41 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: its one hell of a coincidence |
| 19:10.05 | nevcairiel | or someone knew and attacked google ... if thats something you can actually do |
| 19:10.18 | jleclanche | it'll sure make for an interesting AMA |
| 19:11.06 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: whats funny is as soon as gmail went down, i went to reddit /r/all/new to see if someone else was complaining about google accounts being down |
| 19:11.12 | jleclanche | and i see this AMA posted "28 seconds ago" |
| 19:11.24 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: im highjacking your comment for karma |
| 19:11.49 | jleclanche | YAY KARMA |
| 19:18.51 | Lopeppeppy | AMA means a totally different thing to me than it does to you guys, I think... |
| 19:19.01 | Semlar | ask me anything |
| 19:20.36 | kd3 | and already gilded. good job, adys |
| 19:20.58 | jleclanche | damn right. |
| 19:21.37 | TC-Work | http://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=en&v=issue&ts=1390636799000&sid=1&iid=8201b96db60ea3ccc26c53a4487c5492 Although I would think it is outage |
| 19:22.02 | jleclanche | "We're investigating reports" |
| 19:22.03 | jleclanche | yeah. |
| 19:22.06 | jleclanche | Gmail is down (google.com) |
| 19:22.07 | jleclanche | 408 points by d1egoaz 16 minutes ago |
| 19:22.14 | jleclanche | reports. |
| 19:23.29 | Semlar | is there any way to infer that a spell will cause a global cooldown |
| 19:24.34 | TC-Work | Seems to be back again |
| 19:24.56 | Semlar | i thought possibly checking that it costs something to cast |
| 19:25.04 | jleclanche | TC-Work: yeah, g+ is still down tho |
| 19:25.15 | jleclanche | well |
| 19:25.16 | Semlar | maybe it'll stay that way |
| 19:25.30 | TC-Work | Meh, who cares about G+ |
| 19:25.57 | jleclanche | apparently this is whats breaking g+ https://plus.google.com/u/0/_/n/gsuc |
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| 19:26.24 | Semlar | an error page? |
| 19:30.39 | Arrowmaster | g+ is in an endless loop for me |
| 19:31.58 | Gnarfoz | can't really make it out, but I think that multi-language video even uses the appropriate video material for each language (i.e. lip sync) |
| 19:32.46 | Gnarfoz | (if it exists -- they previously translated signs & such in their movies, too) |
| 19:39.54 | Humbedooh | Arrowmaster: it's dead :C |
| 19:39.58 | Humbedooh | so is gmail, ish |
| 19:40.06 | Arrowmaster | gmail came back for me |
| 19:40.09 | Humbedooh | oh, someone said that |
| 19:40.12 | Humbedooh | I should lrn2read |
| 19:49.56 | Primer | chrome is starting to feel like firefox did about 2 years ago |
| 19:50.25 | Primer | the developer tools is constantly hanging, with popups complaining about how things are taking too long |
| 19:50.33 | Primer | and prompting me to kill it off |
| 19:53.42 | TC-Work | Then move on to something else? |
| 20:01.24 | Semlar | might i suggest firefox |
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| 20:39.58 | Arrowmaster | is this a thing? http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1w1y5m/we_are_the_google_site_reliability_engineering/cexzoc9 |
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| 20:54.14 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Depends on how much email you want |
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| 21:04.23 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: yes, such devices do exist |
| 21:04.49 | Arrowmaster | i know the devices exist, i ment the webcam and lavalamp part |
| 21:05.26 | nevcairiel | http://www.vanheusden.com/ved/ |
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| 21:08.18 | Dagmar | For at least a decade and a half |
| 21:08.41 | Dagmar | Someone was using a single lava lamp to collect entropy while half the web was still text-only |
| 21:08.52 | Arrowmaster | now is there a page listing the silliest things used to point a webcam at for entropy |
| 21:09.23 | nevcairiel | you just need something that moves rather randomly and constantly |
| 21:10.30 | Dagmar | Like small children |
| 21:11.46 | Dagmar | root |
| 21:11.48 | Dagmar | @!#$@#$ |
| 21:11.52 | Dagmar | At least it wasn't the password |
| 21:17.44 | Arrowmaster | interesting http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/t_original/19dfnep0frn0bjpg.jpg |
| 21:19.16 | zenzelezz | true, but I don't know anyone who doesn't have a 16+ GB SD-card |
| 21:20.05 | Arrowmaster | my nexus 5 doesnt have an sd slot but i got the 32gb version and dont care |
| 21:20.14 | Dagmar | The G4 is no longer at the same spot on the list once you dump all the vendor shit off it |
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| 21:20.45 | Arrowmaster | is that bloat on /system or /data? |
| 21:21.17 | Dagmar | No idea. They're both in the same internal bank |
| 21:21.37 | Arrowmaster | right but youd have to mess with partition sized to get more space from /system |
| 21:21.56 | Dagmar | That's actually not as hard as one might suspect |
| 21:22.27 | Dagmar | It's just a think they don't like you to do because a noob can get in there and severely fuck up the phone |
| 21:22.53 | Dagmar | Odin can change that, no problem |
| 21:23.22 | Arrowmaster | i still have no idea what this odin and keis stuff does exactly |
| 21:25.04 | Dagmar | Kies is Samsung's fancified tool |
| 21:25.08 | Fisker | I'm not sure it's true Arrowmaster |
| 21:25.26 | Dagmar | Odin is a not-fancy-because-it's-meant-for-people-who-fucking-know-waht-they're-doing tool |
| 21:26.02 | Dagmar | Both have the ability to, when the phone is in download mode (aka "Odin Mode") take data from USB and write it straight over the flash storage, starting at byte 0 if necessary. |
| 21:26.16 | Dagmar | Meaning if you fuck up with them you can and will brick the shit out of your phone |
| 21:26.24 | Dagmar | ...but they're fairly paranoid tools |
| 21:26.48 | Dagmar | As long as you can get the damn phone into download mode (and the media isn't destroyed) you can fix pretty much anything with Odin/Kies |
| 21:26.57 | Arrowmaster | ok so they are just samsungs version of fastboot |
| 21:27.01 | Dagmar | i.e., so long as the first stage bootstrap still works |
| 21:27.43 | Dagmar | Kies is Samsung. Odin is literally just a USB tool like Heimdal |
| 21:28.14 | Dagmar | It's not particularly invested in any brand of phone, so long as whatever it's talking to can come up on the USB bus and present an emulated serial interface to toss data across |
| 21:28.51 | Dagmar | _Largely_ it's operation is point and shoot |
| 21:29.13 | Dagmar | YOu start Odin, tell it what firmware to use... There will be some boxes on the screen representing possible USB serial interfaces |
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| 21:30.05 | Arrowmaster | yeah all my devices only support fastboot |
| 21:30.16 | Dagmar | You plug in phone, it mutters back and forth with the computer until they work out that they have a common interest in serial emulation, the computer creates the bogus serial interface device, Odin sees it, says hello, and if it gets a respons back it changes one of those boxes to a different color representing "YOU CLICK BUTTON NAO PLZ" |
| 21:30.58 | Arrowmaster | wait so odin is an app on the phone? |
| 21:31.13 | Dagmar | You click, image is dumped across bus, and if the gods are smiling, once it's done the phone will generally reboot itself, Odin will tell you it's done and wish you luck, and when it comes back up everything's happy |
| 21:31.17 | Dagmar | No, it's an app for Windows. |
| 21:31.25 | Dagmar | Heimdal does the same thing under Linux |
| 21:31.54 | Dagmar | The important thing is that this method is also really hard to fuck up |
| 21:32.20 | Dagmar | Unless you disconnect the phone or yank the battery out in mid-transfer, it's going to wipe out a lot of shit |
| 21:32.42 | Arrowmaster | yeah i find fastboot really hard to fuckup on linux too unless you get a wrong img file but you can still fix that |
| 21:32.54 | Arrowmaster | on windows theres the problem of drivers |
| 21:33.18 | Dagmar | If this were a "normal" linux box, think og it like having a grub menu item that allows a remote host to specify an offset and a length to pipe data over the network to dd |
| 21:33.32 | Dagmar | ...which starts writing right at the end of where /boot lives, _most_ of the time |
| 21:33.46 | Dagmar | ...but whichis also capable of replacing the MBR, /boot, and every single byte on the disk |
| 21:35.20 | Dagmar | One advantage to Kies is that it damn well will install the proper USB debugginng drivers on teh Windows box |
| 21:35.41 | Dagmar | with Odin, you'd better hope you found the right ones yourself, otherwise it'll never see the phone. |
| 21:35.46 | nevcairiel | i never found a proper standalone usb driver for my old samsung tablet, always had to install the stupid kies to get it |
| 21:35.54 | Gnarfoz | they're available from samsung in a stand-alone package |
| 21:35.54 | Dagmar | Also, Kies is fairly good about making fucking Windows _forget_ about older drivers |
| 21:36.06 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: you wish, that thing didnt install for me :p |
| 21:36.08 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: You're probably seeing the fail in Windows |
| 21:36.14 | Dagmar | You can't really uninstall Windows drivers normally. |
| 21:36.19 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: (there's also a for-pay app called Mobile Odin, which does similar things, although with certain limitationsS) |
| 21:36.22 | Dagmar | It just removes the association and still keeps the fuckers around |
| 21:36.37 | Dagmar | So like, if you buy one phone, install USB debug drivers, use Odin, etc etc everything's happy |
| 21:36.37 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I've used it for the last 4 years without problems *shrug* |
| 21:36.48 | nevcairiel | Dagmar: i had 3 unknown devices in device manager, quite certain windows didnt have drivers :) |
| 21:36.57 | Dagmar | Later you buy another phone, install USB debug drivers, try and use Odin... Fucking windows will keep loading the old motherfucking drivers on you |
| 21:37.02 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: at least on Win 7, if you uninstall a device from the device manager, there's a checkbox to delete the drivers |
| 21:37.19 | Gnarfoz | also: zadig.exe :D |
| 21:37.33 | Dagmar | Yeah neither of those things is obvious or even a remotely normal occurrence |
| 21:37.42 | Dagmar | ...which is one of the things I hate about Windows |
| 21:37.49 | Gnarfoz | which doesn't delete them, but at least makes forcing which one is to be used easy |
| 21:38.08 | Gnarfoz | overwriting your phone's firmware is also not a normal occurrence for most people |
| 21:38.08 | Dagmar | I was going between three differnt phones and an mk808 stickputer |
| 21:38.15 | Arrowmaster | yeah on linux its easy, kernel see it as a usb device and passes it off to userland, fastboot connects to usb devices and does everything |
| 21:38.23 | Gnarfoz | so... it comes with the territory, kind of (not saying it should) |
| 21:39.15 | Dagmar | either way it was pissing me off that it took several hours to figure out how to make fucking Windows stop trying to connect the USB serial drivers from the Samsung phones to the fucking stickputer |
| 21:57.46 | Icicle | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.09 | Icicle | well 11 |
| 21:58.43 | kd3 | the classindex has no relation to the history of class additions |
| 21:58.49 | kd3 | it just is what it is |
| 21:59.37 | Icicle | seems strange to replace E.G. Shaman which used to be 6 with Deathknight |
| 21:59.47 | Icicle | for... no reason? ^^ |
| 21:59.54 | Icicle | boredom lol |
| 22:00.00 | Gnarfoz | didn't paladin and shaman share |
| 22:00.06 | Gnarfoz | before they were available to both factions |
| 22:00.27 | Maldivia | Icicle: didn't replace, the hole had always been there :) |
| 22:00.39 | Icicle | woah |
| 22:00.41 | Icicle | mind blown |
| 22:00.56 | Semlar | class index? |
| 22:01.03 | Maldivia | perhaps a scrapped class from early pre-alhpa times ? |
| 22:01.08 | Icicle | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitClass |
| 22:01.24 | Icicle | addon im making is pretty class specific, and this curiosity came to mind |
| 22:01.54 | nevcairiel | are you sure thats even stable? :p |
| 22:02.04 | kd3 | don't look at the classid |
| 22:02.10 | Maldivia | I remeber druids has always been 11, since vanilla |
| 22:02.19 | kd3 | use the second parameter, which is always going to be the same regardless of language |
| 22:02.29 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/API_UnitClass |
| 22:02.36 | Semlar | yes usually you use the token like WARRIOR |
| 22:03.44 | Semlar | the number is undoubtedly used for another api function but possibly not permanent |
| 22:03.56 | nevcairiel | hm apparently the numbers have only been in the document since 2012, so no history |
| 22:03.58 | nevcairiel | failpedia! |
| 22:04.09 | Icicle | oh really? okay then I'll use the 2nd token then |
| 22:04.20 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: well, they have been in the DBCs since day one :) |
| 22:04.24 | Icicle | the # is usually safer I figure :) |
| 22:04.32 | Icicle | 'usually" |
| 22:04.35 | nevcairiel | did the api even return it earlier? |
| 22:05.12 | Maldivia | wasn't there a GetClassInfoById at some point? |
| 22:05.25 | nevcairiel | what would it return? |
| 22:05.26 | Semlar | there is |
| 22:05.31 | nevcairiel | the name? |
| 22:05.34 | Semlar | i use it to reverse the localization to a token |
| 22:05.59 | Semlar | since the stupid friends and guild api return localized classes |
| 22:07.32 | Semlar | actually i just use GetClassInfo but it's pretty close |
| 22:24.27 | Icicle | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.47 | Icicle | friend of mine at Blizzard just sent me this :) |
| 22:25.02 | Icicle | apparently it was intentionally left blank for a future class |
| 22:29.03 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: the id return was only added in 5.0 |
| 22:34.59 | Semlar | that's probably when they started adding a lot of the DBC information to the api |
| 22:35.12 | Semlar | even for things they didn't use in the interface |
| 22:47.29 | Maldivia | there are a lot of ids in the game that doesn't make sense ... skill line IDs for instance |
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| 23:47.42 | Dagmar | Jesus |
| 23:48.48 | VIad | Yes Dagmar? |
| 23:49.18 | VIad | Semlar: the UnitClass and UnitRace return a ID now I think, that refers to a value in the DBC, and now also in the webapi |
| 23:49.30 | Dagmar | Please help my customer people, because they know not what lies in store for people trying to use the Drupal domains module and SSL |
| 23:49.51 | Dagmar | I fear they are going to fall prey to the cry of "HOLY SHIT THAT'S EXPENSIVE" |
| 23:50.04 | Gnarfoz | what's expensive about it? |
| 23:50.07 | VIad | host self with ssl = win |
| 23:50.16 | Dagmar | This is not a thing they can use self-signed certs with |
| 23:50.22 | Dagmar | They're expecting the public to go to it |
| 23:50.29 | Gnarfoz | so? |
| 23:50.31 | Dagmar | It's going to get fucking _expensive_ |
| 23:50.41 | Gnarfoz | stop using shitty ripoff CAs |
| 23:50.45 | Dagmar | They are looking at, at the very least, an SSL cert with SAN-attributes |
| 23:51.06 | Dagmar | ...and that's if they declare a strict lockdown on not letting their people have new namespace |
| 23:51.20 | Dagmar | If they can't get that, then they'll have to buy not one but two different wildcard certs. |
| 23:51.25 | Dagmar | THAT shit gets ridiculous |
| 23:51.31 | Gnarfoz | seriously |
| 23:51.35 | Gnarfoz | that shit is not expensive |
| 23:51.41 | Dagmar | A wildcard cert not expensive? |
| 23:51.44 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 23:52.23 | Gnarfoz | oh lord, why the FUCK must you have website maintenance the one time I want to link to you, StartSSL :P |
| 23:52.28 | Dagmar | Are you high? |
| 23:52.38 | Dagmar | I've yet to see someone selling one for under a grand |
| 23:52.48 | Gnarfoz | ok, I can do that without linking to startssl, easily. |
| 23:52.50 | Dagmar | ...at leat not without going to some sketchtacular russian CA |
| 23:53.14 | Dagmar | Symantec/Versign are fuckin $2000/year |
| 23:53.15 | Gnarfoz | as long as it's in their browsers/OSs, who cares. |
| 23:53.51 | Dagmar | I'm just going to keep leaning on them about maybe moving that shit to the _right_ of the slash if they'd like this to not cost an employee |
| 23:53.52 | VIad | ehm |
| 23:53.59 | Gnarfoz | so, DigiCert, GeoTrust, GoDaddy and Thawte are all well below $1000. |
| 23:54.01 | Gnarfoz | what were you saying again? |
| 23:54.05 | VIad | you can have ssl without it being publicly recognized right? |
| 23:54.06 | Gnarfoz | http://www.sslshopper.com/best-ssl-wildcard-certificate.html |
| 23:54.10 | VIad | i.e. for free |
| 23:54.12 | Gnarfoz | VIad: of course |
| 23:54.23 | Gnarfoz | VIad: but as he said, that's not viable for websites you expect the public to visit |
| 23:54.32 | Dagmar | Viad: That's not really an option for people trying to put up a public site |
| 23:54.37 | VIad | of course when you want public recognition these companies that HOG the power to give out such recognition will tear off your skin |
| 23:54.43 | Gnarfoz | VIad: exactly |
| 23:54.59 | Gnarfoz | VIad: that's why a) CAcert exists and b) StartSSL's modus operandi is what it is |
| 23:55.09 | Dagmar | ...and we've probably got a fucking first right contract with GeoTrust by the way that department behaves |
| 23:55.10 | Gnarfoz | it's the only CA I know of that has sane prices |
| 23:55.19 | Dagmar | Those assholes believe if you have two load-balancers, you have to buy two certs. |
| 23:55.27 | Dagmar | ...and we spend a non-trivial amount of money on that. |
| 23:55.42 | Gnarfoz | haha |
| 23:55.42 | VIad | isn't monopoly illegal? |
| 23:55.46 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 23:55.52 | VIad | it's in norway :P |
| 23:55.59 | Dagmar | I told them last year about a place that charges half that and doesn't fuck around with silly things like per load-balancer licencing, which would have saved us _five figures_ money and they did fuck all about it |
| 23:56.02 | Gnarfoz | also: "illegal" makes no sense on the internet, gotta know which countries |
| 23:56.45 | Dagmar | I suspect I'm going to advise our guy to push back and simply "manage" his own damn cert and give us copies of the thing to update it |
| 23:56.47 | VIad | well it's a monopoly when one company can control the pricing for getting your certificates recognized and you have no alternative |
| 23:56.49 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: our company does the same, I can't for the life of me get them to switch to StartSSL, where you basically only pay for the things that require (or are better done by) actual human workers |
| 23:57.00 | Gnarfoz | VIad: it's not one company |
| 23:57.08 | VIad | isn't there one company at the top? |
| 23:57.11 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 23:57.13 | Dagmar | Viad: There's this fun thing called a "first right of refusal" contract. |
| 23:57.25 | Dagmar | Microsoft fucking loves the things, and it's the reason many places can't get away from them. |
| 23:57.36 | Gnarfoz | does it matter to his misunderstanding of how the SSL cert market looks like? |
| 23:57.38 | VIad | but I thought with multiple companies pricing would be lower as they would compete to provide cheaper than the other companies? |
| 23:57.40 | Dagmar | It's a contract that stipulates that if you have a need for a product, and they offer it, you _have_ to take theirs first. |
| 23:57.51 | Gnarfoz | VIad: in a dream world of capitalism maybe |
| 23:58.01 | Gnarfoz | VIad: i.e. nowhere |
| 23:58.04 | VIad | you mean how it was supposed to work? ;D |
| 23:58.19 | Dagmar | When I worked at a particular massive, multinational accounting firm, in order to get our internal security department's webserver running on Slackware, and not Windows fucking NT, I had to write a six page RFP. |
| 23:58.19 | Gnarfoz | that's the (unkept) promise: free market will regulate itself |
| 23:58.21 | VIad | yeah, I understand the problem :) |
| 23:58.26 | Gnarfoz | doesn't work of course, but yeah |
| 23:58.39 | Dagmar | Of course when blaster hit, my webserver was the only thing on their network left standing, so hah |
| 23:59.09 | Dagmar | You'll of course get a nice price cut for a first right of refusal contract, but you will never, ever be free of that company again |
| 23:59.19 | Gnarfoz | except when you terminate that contract |
| 23:59.29 | Dagmar | There is no terminating such a contract. |
| 23:59.36 | VIad | sigh |
| 23:59.36 | Dagmar | Let's say you have 45,000 employees. |
| 23:59.56 | Gnarfoz | of course there is |
