| 00:01.46 | pompy | So that nasty Disker trojan goin around targetting WoW using the bogus CC and site, I told my friend about it who works with Malwarebytes and I had him contact the devs about it, and they posted http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/11041384892?page=17#331 |
| 00:02.55 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck, i just got an email from Target |
| 00:03.02 | Arrowmaster | how does target have my email address |
| 00:04.08 | Arrowmaster | and its from that bfi0.com mailing list company that makes it look like a phishing email |
| 00:06.15 | Neffi | sighs. |
| 00:06.16 | Neffi | http://www.today.com/video/today/54075719#54075719 |
| 00:08.02 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: All those "silent" APs they have aren't just for inventory, man |
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| 00:11.37 | Dagmar | Also, bfi0.com... almost certainly criminals. |
| 00:14.37 | Dagmar | I got that email from "Target" too and considering I've never given them my email address, there's something fuckin' fishy afoot there, to be sure |
| 00:15.02 | Dagmar | I *don't* do credit, and if BofA is giving out my email address now, I have some homocides to go plan and execute. |
| 00:21.23 | Dagmar | Only thing I can figure is someone's trying to chum the waters... or Target has made a *terrible* mistake in aggressively harvesting email addresses somehow. |
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| 00:36.50 | Neffi | pokes Semlar. |
| 00:42.02 | Dagmar | Soo... it looks like Epsilon Data Management has this cute little business model of keeping email address and credit card number information for the purposes of marketing. |
| 00:42.15 | Dagmar | No that's not shifty AT ALL |
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| 00:50.24 | Semlar | no neffi |
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| 02:03.20 | Neffi | yes semlar |
| 02:04.52 | Neffi | What chat frame addon do you all use? |
| 02:05.12 | Neffi | That's one thing that I always hated writing myself and never took the chance to fix major bugs in nfChat |
| 02:06.23 | Seerah | mine |
| 02:06.23 | VIad | nevcairiel: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/world-of-warcraft-studio-beefing-up-its-microtransaction-efforts/1100-6417150/ |
| 02:07.03 | Neffi | Seerah: what's yours? |
| 02:07.26 | Seerah | ChipperChat |
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| 02:30.56 | Neffi | http://imgur.com/gallery/HGtRT |
| 02:31.00 | Neffi | really fucking cool |
| 02:31.32 | fewyn | sigh instance servers still down |
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| 02:52.41 | Ressy | Instance servers dropped on me while we were on lei Shen. |
| 02:52.46 | Ressy | reset the entire instance. ugh. |
| 02:59.37 | fewyn | we finally got a full raid group for the first time in awhile |
| 02:59.42 | fewyn | i wanted to kill dem bosses |
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| 03:05.18 | kd3 | bah. time to move the torrenting off of the sd card running my pi, I think |
| 03:07.11 | Arrowmaster | i think i underestimated how long it would take to zero a 16gb flash drive before i encrypt it |
| 03:13.50 | A-KO | http://kotaku.com/gabe-newell-posts-on-reddit-gaming-gets-ignored-1502162961 < lulz |
| 03:14.45 | Neffi | Gabe Newell looks like Santa Claus. Steam sales are like a gift. Coincidence? |
| 03:14.50 | Neffi | This needs further research |
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| 03:53.17 | pompy | http://global3.memecdn.com/A-Real-Girlfriend-Does-Not-Complain-When-Her-Boyfiriend-Is-On-Xbox_o_97831.jpg |
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| 04:59.03 | karl_w_w | glory to arstotzka |
| 05:09.04 | Semlar | i don't use a chat addon neffi |
| 05:44.39 | Sintacks | if then elseif confuses me in lua ... |
| 05:45.06 | Neffi | why? |
| 05:45.18 | Sintacks | idk |
| 05:45.46 | Sintacks | and notepad++ is making it look worse cuz it's only making a single group out of the first if ... |
| 05:45.51 | Neffi | if STATE than ACTION otherwise: ( if STATE2 then ACTION2 otherwide: ( if STATE3 then ACTION3 ) ) |
| 05:46.03 | Neffi | It's your job to indent properly |
| 05:46.17 | Neffi | Some editors offer smarter indent, but depending on that is bad, especially when it messes up |
| 05:46.57 | Neffi | The formula for indent is pretty simple http://pastebin.com/WKEHbY4W |
| 05:47.08 | Sintacks | if something then |
| 05:47.08 | Sintacks | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.08 | Sintacks | elseif something else then |
| 05:47.08 | Sintacks | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.08 | Sintacks | end |
| 05:47.10 | Sintacks | right? |
| 05:47.13 | Neffi | yes |
| 05:47.36 | Neffi | Each indented block implies that it's a logical continuation of the unindented line above it |
| 05:47.50 | Neffi | It might help you to add extra spacing, eg.. |
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| 05:48.38 | Neffi | When I have more than a few lines after an "if"/"for"/etc, I will add a superfluous space after that block to make it visually appear attached to the code above, and separated from the clause below, like so http://pastebin.com/GhCfNU0x |
| 05:49.51 | Neffi | Indentation is all in the eye of the beholder. Find a way that's comfortable. But it may help you to read other people's code, especially those you trust are knowledgeable and experienced programmers, to see what style they have settled on |
| 05:50.17 | Neffi | I've picked up habits that I never considered because somebody else did them, and it seemed either intuitive or clever |
| 05:50.18 | Sintacks | oo. my error was something else... and me being stupid and forgetting an ( |
| 05:50.57 | Sintacks | now i need to get into blackfuse and see if this works ... |
| 05:53.44 | Neffi | help semlar I'm running out of entropy |
| 06:03.14 | Semlar | well you better go catch it before it gets away |
| 06:07.54 | Semlar | python has significant whitespace so it's difficult not to indent properly |
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| 07:05.18 | mitch0 | it's also difficult to refactor without breaking stuff |
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| 07:20.20 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.12 | Sintacks | :( |
| 07:25.19 | Sintacks | now i don't know why this doesn't work |
| 07:26.31 | Sintacks | Semlar or Neffi halp |
| 07:26.32 | Sintacks | http://pastebin.com/AA6N4Ew1 |
| 07:26.59 | Semlar | you spelled missile wrong |
| 07:27.08 | Sintacks | are you fucking kidding me |
| 07:27.12 | Semlar | maybe |
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| 07:29.01 | Semlar | at least you were consistent |
| 07:29.10 | Sintacks | jesus fucking christ |
| 07:29.13 | Sintacks | brb cliff |
| 07:34.27 | Sintacks | god damnit |
| 07:41.58 | Neffi | Semlar: is that spell-school colored? |
| 07:43.39 | Semlar | yeah |
| 07:44.09 | Semlar | i also currently have it at 100% alpha regardless of the plate status |
| 07:44.16 | Semlar | i'm not sure whether i'll keep it that way or not |
| 07:44.26 | Semlar | it definitely makes it stand out more |
| 07:44.34 | Neffi | Maybe instead of changing the alpha, darken and/or desaturate (slightly) the colors |
| 07:44.53 | Neffi | Also IMO make the text colored the same as the rest, and just make the icon border school colored |
| 07:45.13 | Semlar | the same color as the plate text? |
| 07:45.35 | Neffi | mhm |
| 07:45.40 | Neffi | See how that looks, at least |
| 07:46.44 | Sintacks | hmm. it's working on some... but not on some others |
| 07:46.48 | Stanzilla | While it certainly looks cool, I don't think it's very practical as it causes a lot of noise :o |
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| 07:48.38 | DJJeff | users of Curse please be careful |
| 07:48.39 | DJJeff | http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/01/world-of-warcraft-users-hit-by-account-hijacking-malware-attack/ |
| 07:49.05 | DJJeff | "World of Warcraft players have been hit with a malicious trojan that hijacks accounts even when they're protected by two-factor authentication, officials have warned." |
| 07:49.23 | Cairenn | Last week |
| 07:49.32 | Semlar | yeah |
| 07:49.33 | DJJeff | problem fixed? |
| 07:49.34 | Sintacks | also, don't download curse client from somewhere other than curse |
| 07:49.34 | nevcairiel | well simple solution, dont download stuff from unofficial websites :p |
| 07:49.54 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48753 |
| 07:50.50 | DJJeff | I am safe my version of curse is from the official site |
| 07:51.10 | DJJeff | have not noticed any hack attempts on my account <3 |
| 07:56.07 | Jamash | gniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight folkses |
| 07:56.27 | Jamash | I got my prescription, I'm just gonna have to get reimbursed for it |
| 07:57.50 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.15 | Semlar | i guess it's arcane |
| 07:59.04 | nevcairiel | colors: http://forums.wowace.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3684&stc=1&d=1252327070 |
| 07:59.32 | nevcairiel | its basically the paladin color :p |
| 08:00.11 | Semlar | i thought physical was reddish or something |
| 08:00.34 | nevcairiel | may as well have changed, image is old |
| 08:00.58 | Semlar | the red might be older |
| 08:01.05 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it's yellow now |
| 08:01.33 | Semlar | or i might have defined my own since holy was yellow too |
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| 08:02.57 | Jamash | it's not pink, it's lightish red |
| 08:03.16 | Semlar | that is decidedly pink |
| 08:04.04 | Jamash | Semlar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adaM1AwloSo |
| 08:04.16 | Semlar | i'm not sure if i should bother putting the duration of the spell on there since it has the time left |
| 08:04.42 | Stanzilla | I like how Semlar is ignoring me :> |
| 08:04.57 | Semlar | what |
| 08:05.58 | Stanzilla | my opinion on your plates! |
| 08:06.19 | Semlar | unpractical and noisey? |
| 08:06.33 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 08:07.26 | Semlar | anything else? |
| 08:08.02 | Stanzilla | dunno, looks pretty cool |
| 08:08.17 | Stanzilla | I'm just not sure if it works out for a croud of casting mobs |
| 08:08.23 | Stanzilla | and I'm more of a bar person myself |
| 08:09.18 | nevcairiel | for me it would be a bit weird to try to click on the plates if there is no actual bar which is also the clickable area |
| 08:09.19 | Semlar | oh, yeah they aren't any more difficult to read than a bunch of bars on top of each other |
| 08:09.40 | Semlar | the name basically represents the nameplate |
| 08:09.51 | Semlar | the health isn't even visible at 100% |
| 08:10.15 | nevcairiel | not that i like the layout of tidyplates for example, never found plates that i really liked :d |
| 08:10.57 | Stanzilla | very happy with the leftie layout in KUI atm |
| 08:11.27 | Semlar | i wrote this mainly because i needed to make it more obvious what people were doing when i was recording |
| 08:12.23 | Semlar | and it would be absolutely ridiculous to show friendly nameplates with basically any nameplate addon i've seen |
| 08:15.23 | Semlar | neffi i'm not sure i like the spell text being the same color as the rest of the plate |
| 08:18.26 | Semlar | i also can't figure out if you can display enemy player nameplates if they aren't flagged |
| 08:18.44 | Semlar | there doesn't appear to be any way to turn them on |
| 08:19.34 | Stanzilla | are you raid leading of why do you have to see that? |
| 08:20.35 | Semlar | if i'm recording a boss fight i want to be able to actually see who people are |
| 08:21.06 | Semlar | but it's also pretty useful while you're playing |
| 08:21.37 | Stanzilla | I always wanted friendly nameplates that only show the player's name in bigger text |
| 08:21.49 | Stanzilla | because the standard text is too tiny to read |
| 08:21.59 | Semlar | that's essentially what this does |
| 08:22.37 | Kesava | (that's something i wanted to add to kui) |
| 08:22.50 | Stanzilla | that's my man |
| 08:22.51 | Stanzilla | right there |
| 08:22.55 | Kesava | on that note, lots of progress on the rewrite which should make that much easier today |
| 08:23.03 | Kesava | with much better code |
| 08:23.05 | Kesava | ugh |
| 08:23.22 | Stanzilla | nice |
| 08:23.39 | Stanzilla | do you use a public repo for that, btw? |
| 08:24.00 | Kesava | not at the moment, but I was thinking about it today.. |
| 08:24.05 | Kesava | since I had a few of those moments |
| 08:24.16 | Kesava | where you change something, forget, and then it seems like it's broken for no reason |
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| 08:26.41 | Kesava | i'll make it standalone and probably put it on my github |
| 08:26.48 | Kesava | .. either today or tomorror. depends if i'm awake. |
| 08:26.54 | Kesava | ror. |
| 08:27.55 | Stanzilla | nice! |
| 08:30.10 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.57 | Semlar | you might want to turn the sound off |
| 08:31.09 | Kesava | disregard that |
| 08:31.12 | Kesava | the music is amazing |
| 08:31.14 | Semlar | >_> |
| 08:31.41 | Semlar | i do turn off friendly plates briefly at the start |
| 08:32.26 | Semlar | the main issue with friendly plates is if you use nameplates to target they can get in the way |
| 08:32.43 | Kesava | indeed |
| 08:32.44 | Semlar | but i've more or less solved that problem by scaling them |
| 08:35.02 | Semlar | you can do it any time you want out of combat and i figured out you can do it in combat in response to hitting a modifier key so they aren't nearly as bad as they were |
| 08:35.33 | Semlar | and they don't rescale when they get recycled |
| 08:36.42 | Kesava | .. interesting |
| 08:36.47 | Kesava | pretty sure that shouldn't be possible |
| 08:37.10 | Semlar | the clickable area is based on the size of the bargroup |
| 08:37.23 | Semlar | the first child of the plate |
| 08:37.41 | Semlar | out of combat you can directly manipulate its size |
| 08:39.12 | Semlar | right now i'm using SetScale(0.4) on all the nameplates when they're created if i'm not in combat and when combat is dropped i loop through the nameplates and rescale them to make sure |
| 08:39.38 | Semlar | and in combat i set up a little secure script in response to pushing any modifier key that loops through the nameplates and scales them |
| 08:40.06 | Kesava | you can just have a secure hook and bypass the lockdown? |
| 08:40.28 | Kesava | well i suppose if you still need a hardware event it's not entirely bypassing but. |
| 08:41.06 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:41.45 | Semlar | what it does is when i'm holding a modifier key it scales it to basically nothing so i can click through any nameplates if i want and when i release it scales them to 0.4 which is the normal size i want |
| 08:42.04 | Kesava | ah |
| 08:42.06 | nevcairiel | are you sure that works? usually the secure env filters which frames you can get access to, and restricts it to properly protected frames |
| 08:42.09 | Semlar | yeah it works |
| 08:44.07 | Semlar | if you do this you need to take into account the scale of the nameplate when you're positioning your frames but it should be really easy with kui |
| 08:44.17 | Semlar | since you're manually positioning them anyway |
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| 08:44.55 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:45.20 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.01 | Semlar | 40% might be a little small |
| 08:46.21 | Semlar | but they aren't really that difficult to click on |
| 08:46.34 | Kesava | idd, I can see that being useful |
| 08:46.49 | Semlar | in my opinion the default size is way too big |
| 08:46.57 | Kesava | definitely. |
| 08:47.28 | Kesava | oh, does the tidyplates author ever pop up on here? |
| 08:47.35 | Semlar | not sure |
| 08:47.51 | Kesava | he's been having trouble with his fixaa implementation + viewport addons |
| 08:47.55 | Kesava | a problem i fixed a while ago |
| 08:48.36 | Kesava | and it's because he's anchoring to the center of the worldframe rather than the bottomleft |
| 08:48.38 | Kesava | etc etc. |
| 08:48.55 | Semlar | wouldn't that take an extra step anyway |
| 08:49.16 | Semlar | GetCenter on the nameplates gives you the coordinates relative to the bottomleft |
| 08:49.29 | Kesava | well now i have to check |
| 08:50.04 | Semlar | originally i just used myPlate:SetPoint('CENTER', WorldFrame, 'BOTTOMLEFT', plate:GetCenter()) |
| 08:50.56 | Semlar | oh also you can define the exact dimensions of the clickable area rather than just scale the nameplate if you use this method |
| 08:51.34 | Semlar | so you don't have to keep its ratio |
| 08:52.45 | Semlar | i think you should be able to just call f:GetChildren():SetSize(width, height) instead of f:SetScale in that script |
| 08:53.16 | Semlar | i haven't tested that |
| 08:56.19 | Kesava | well i was wrong but i'm too tired to work out what the real reason is |
| 08:56.23 | Sintacks | yay. thsi weakaura works |
| 08:56.35 | Sintacks | still want to jump off cliff for spelling missile wrong |
| 08:57.15 | Semlar | i'm probably not the person to ask about pixel perfection, i'm just kind of winging it |
| 08:57.28 | Neffi | wings Semlar. |
| 08:57.32 | Semlar | no neffi |
| 08:57.38 | Neffi | too late |
| 08:57.38 | Sintacks | I would like to make the trigger something other than onupdate |
| 08:57.58 | Sintacks | but not sure what to use for when a boss frame becomes active |
| 08:58.12 | Semlar | something triggers when a new boss frame appears |
| 08:58.22 | Sintacks | i'm sure it does |
| 08:58.27 | Sintacks | but no idea how to find out what |
| 08:58.32 | Semlar | INSTANCE_ENCOUNTER_ENGAGE_UNIT maybe i don't know |
| 08:59.30 | Sintacks | that might work |
| 08:59.44 | Stanzilla | that works, yes |
| 08:59.53 | Semlar | good |
| 09:00.32 | Sintacks | so i could watch that event, and then use the if UnitExist("boss4") then return true shit . |
| 09:01.01 | Semlar | i would personally pull the npc id out of their guid but that's probably not necessary |
| 09:01.18 | Sintacks | I just need to know when the 4th boss frame shows up |
| 09:01.28 | Semlar | yeah i mean instead of checking their names |
| 09:01.43 | Sintacks | oh |
| 09:01.49 | Sintacks | could work |
| 09:01.57 | Sintacks | would make it work for other locales too, right? |
| 09:02.06 | Semlar | yeah |
| 09:02.28 | Sintacks | look at Semlar. always thinking about those micro-optimazations |
| 09:02.29 | Semlar | it would be marginally slower than checking their name i think |
| 09:02.30 | Sintacks | fucks eplilng |
| 09:02.33 | Sintacks | and tpying |
| 09:02.54 | Semlar | but it would also work for other locales |
| 09:03.02 | Neffi | hey semlar |
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| 09:03.05 | Semlar | no neffi |
| 09:03.09 | Semlar | what |
| 09:03.09 | Neffi | danger zone |
| 09:03.12 | Semlar | why |
| 09:03.16 | Neffi | cuz |
| 09:03.23 | Stanzilla | UnitExists on a token works on every language, too? |
| 09:03.29 | Neffi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vuZ8jSVNUI |
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| 09:03.42 | Semlar | boss4 would be a unitid |
| 09:03.49 | Semlar | it'll always work |
| 09:03.54 | Stanzilla | that's what I said |
| 09:04.07 | Neffi | I think they're refering to another piece of code that compares boss names |
| 09:04.49 | Semlar | if you go with the guids you can skip checking UnitExists and go right for UnitGUID because it returns nil if the unit doesn't exist |
| 09:05.27 | Semlar | local guid = UnitGUID('boss4') if guid then whatever |
| 09:07.23 | Semlar | i think the npc id is guid:sub(6, 10) |
| 09:07.52 | Semlar | tonumber(guid:sub(6, 10), 16) |
| 09:09.36 | Semlar | dammit neffi how did i end up with negative time left |
| 09:10.48 | Neffi | you did left=now-end instead of left=end-now ? |
| 09:11.17 | Neffi | Dont feel bad it took me like 10 minutes to figure out why I was ending up with negative time on my buffs |
| 09:12.18 | Semlar | i'm using startTime + maxValue - GetTime() |
| 09:12.44 | Neffi | also check that they're all the same units |
| 09:12.49 | Semlar | but i think i might have misjudged what happens when a spell stops |
| 09:12.51 | Neffi | Some things are milliseconds, some are seconds |
| 09:13.06 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure the maxvalue is getting set to 0 |
| 09:13.36 | Semlar | at the very end of the cast |
| 09:13.40 | Sintacks | is there a wya to tell duration on a buff of someone not in your group, without having them as a target or focus |
| 09:13.51 | Semlar | not sanely |
| 09:13.58 | Sintacks | didn't think so |
| 09:14.04 | Semlar | you can guess |
| 09:14.15 | Semlar | which is what i'm currently doing for my nameplates |
| 09:14.44 | Semlar | if you HAD a valid unitid at some point you can get the time left and cache that even if they get untargeted |
| 09:15.04 | Semlar | then watch the combat log to see if it falls off early |
| 09:15.47 | Semlar | i'm currently caching the longest duration i've observed for a given aura and assuming that on spell_aura_applied which is a horrible idea |
| 09:16.20 | Semlar | it's only for units that never get targeted |
| 09:17.21 | Stanzilla | Kesava: do you watch arena units for debuffs? |
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| 09:22.42 | Kesava | I watch any UNIT_AURA event i believe |
| 09:23.52 | Semlar | does unit_aura fire for arena frames |
| 09:24.16 | Semlar | it might only work if they're being targeted |
| 09:24.55 | Neffi | woah http://imgur.com/gallery/cSql2 |
| 09:25.36 | Kesava | it seems to fire for party/raid members so I assume it'd work on arena targets |
| 09:25.53 | Semlar | i don't think it displays auras on arena frames |
| 09:25.57 | Kesava | kind of difficult to test though |
| 09:25.58 | Semlar | but i could be wrong |
| 09:28.30 | Semlar | i mean i know you could scan them because they're valid unit ids but i don't think the unit_aura event fires |
| 09:29.14 | Semlar | they don't watch for it in the arenaui, at any rate |
| 09:31.02 | Kesava | well if Stanzilla knew that that'd be lovely |
| 09:32.18 | Stanzilla | what |
| 09:33.13 | Kesava | that's the kind of answer i've come to expect |
| 09:33.33 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 09:34.04 | Stanzilla | I don't know if it fires though |
| 09:35.03 | Kesava | well in that case I don't go out of my way to watch for debuffs on arena targets, no |
| 09:35.10 | Kesava | only as much as i do every other frame |
| 09:45.10 | zenzio | I sometimes picture a utopia, where users don't use their first name for both username and password |
| 09:45.50 | Stanzilla | I used to use my first name in leetspeak as password |
| 09:46.10 | Stanzilla | still bad though :( |
| 09:52.02 | Kesava | Stanzilla: https://github.com/rbtwrrr/Kui-Nameplates-2 there you go |
| 09:52.05 | Kesava | disclaimer etc etc |
| 09:53.41 | Stanzilla | yay |
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| 09:54.10 | Icicle | Good Morning |
| 09:54.16 | Icicle | Anyone worked with Vagrant before? |
| 09:57.37 | Semlar | does neffi count |
| 09:57.47 | Icicle | not sure.... |
| 09:57.53 | Icicle | can neffi run VMs? |
| 09:59.36 | Semlar | i think he knows a few vagrants |
| 10:00.43 | Icicle | good enough :P |
| 10:01.06 | Icicle | its a neat tool that auto configures dev environments |
| 10:01.33 | Icicle | but im still learning all the configurations |
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| 10:09.05 | Neffi | wait wat |
| 10:10.31 | Icicle | you configure VM automatically Neffi |
| 10:10.37 | Icicle | congratulations! |
| 10:14.36 | Semlar | i dumped everything into haste neffi |
| 10:14.41 | Semlar | haste for life |
| 10:24.16 | Neffi | don't be so hasty, semlar |
| 10:24.29 | Semlar | too late |
| 10:24.42 | Semlar | i'm up to 43% |
| 10:26.45 | Neffi | Know what I think about that Semlar? |
| 10:26.57 | Semlar | yes |
| 10:27.07 | Neffi | this video outlines my feelings perfectly |
| 10:27.07 | Neffi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvZJTcpX7GY |
| 10:27.18 | Semlar | no neffi |
| 10:27.45 | Neffi | =( |
| 10:31.48 | Semlar | it's too early |
| 10:32.08 | Neffi | late* |
| 10:32.48 | Neffi | what's a good place to train pickpocket in skyrim? |
| 10:34.38 | VIad | Neffi: I said hey - what's going on? |
| 10:51.35 | Kesava | and now that's stuck in my head |
| 10:54.41 | Kesava | why's it so difficult to find fonts that render nicely in wow |
| 10:54.43 | Kesava | blah |
| 10:54.52 | Semlar | because wow sucks at rendering fonts |
| 10:55.33 | Kesava | idd |
| 10:56.15 | Kesava | i tend to have to go for condensed+semibolds but not very many of them exist really |
| 10:57.16 | karl_w_w | calibri renders nicely |
| 10:59.13 | Semlar | i spent like an hour yesterday trying to figure out why fonts anchored to a moving frame would jiggle around relative to everything else on the frame |
| 10:59.22 | Semlar | i just gave up |
| 10:59.51 | Kesava | yeah that's because of something |
| 11:00.06 | Kesava | putting them at .5 points tends to help |
| 11:00.18 | Kesava | .. but it might've been you who originally told me that. |
| 11:00.44 | Semlar | setting it to odd sizes improved it for this font but i would have preferred to leave it at 10 points |
| 11:01.09 | Kesava | .5 points as in positions |
| 11:01.14 | Semlar | like 9 and 11 point both worked better |
| 11:01.32 | Semlar | don't know about the positioning |
| 11:02.09 | Semlar | i was trying to line things up with the pixel boundaries and it worked for the textures but not for the fonts |
| 11:04.04 | Semlar | 2 things that seemed to help was setting the vertical justification to BOTTOM and the horizontal justification to LEFT even though it was being anchored by its center |
| 11:07.27 | Semlar | as for why it's moving in the first place i have no idea |
| 11:07.59 | Neffi | Semlar: have you tried the MONOCHROME flag? |
| 11:08.08 | Semlar | doesn't that make it jaggy |
| 11:08.32 | Neffi | Doesnt help align it to pixel boundaries? |
| 11:08.49 | Neffi | Also that flag probably sucks for non-pixel fonts |
| 11:08.52 | Semlar | it might but i'm pretty sure it would make it look terrible |
| 11:09.38 | Semlar | actually i'm willing to bet bypassing the pixel-rounding stuff for the fonts would make their movement smoother |
| 11:10.05 | Semlar | if it's not a pixel font |
| 11:11.28 | Semlar | part of the problem with aligning with pixel boundaries is that when the plate does move it jumps farther than it would normally |
| 11:11.53 | Semlar | so it's not as smooth of a transition |
| 11:12.40 | Semlar | i don't know, i think the font jiggles normally anyway |
| 11:15.59 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:16.12 | Semlar | monochrome gives it kind of a retro effect |
| 11:18.33 | Neffi | looks weird |
| 11:20.58 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: grrrrr |
| 11:21.04 | jleclanche | debian devs not upstreaming their patches |
| 11:21.05 | jleclanche | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. |
| 11:21.52 | nevcairiel | thats hardly news |
| 11:22.04 | Semlar | is it olds |
| 11:22.10 | nevcairiel | hardly any distribution does, though |
| 11:22.28 | jleclanche | arch does |
| 11:22.31 | jleclanche | actively |
| 11:22.51 | jleclanche | it really is a maintainer's responsibility to upstream their shit |
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| 11:28.41 | haste | exherbo does the same |
| 11:28.53 | haste | included patches have to be submitted upstream or have a damn good reason to be there |
| 11:29.54 | Alram | Fisker's shit always goes upstream |
| 11:30.43 | Icicle | Fisker can defy the laws of physics |
| 11:30.47 | Icicle | impressive, that could come in handy |
| 11:31.01 | jleclanche | Alram: its not nice making fun of people on the basis of how their house's plumbing is installed |
| 11:31.11 | Alram | :D |
| 11:31.27 | Icicle | ls |
| 11:31.32 | Icicle | whoops, wrong window |
| 11:41.39 | Maldivia | I think we've all done that at least once :) |
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| 11:50.28 | Fisker | :( Alram |
| 12:00.41 | karl_w_w | streams Fisker |
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| 12:45.55 | Kesava | so over the years of them being there despite being completely useless i guess i forgot about them but i just now noticed them again |
| 12:46.16 | Kesava | .. is there anyway to hide the PVP ranks that come up when you kill someone? |
| 12:46.37 | Kesava | considering they've been useless since vanilla and everything |
| 12:49.07 | Semlar | i think that uses the same system that pops damage numbers over people's heads |
| 12:50.33 | Semlar | i think you might be able to affect its font but probably not without impacting all of the other combat text |
| 12:51.26 | Semlar | unless it's one of the options in the combat text menu |
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| 12:59.40 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.10 | Neffi | it's past your bed time semlar |
| 13:02.23 | Semlar | no neffi |
| 13:02.33 | Neffi | always so negative |
| 13:04.07 | Kesava | how strange |
| 13:06.23 | Semlar | oh also i tried SetSize inside my protected script and apparently you can't do that |
| 13:06.34 | Semlar | evidently you can scale but not set the dimensions of something |
| 13:09.41 | Semlar | ah here we go http://wowpedia.org/RestrictedEnvironment |
| 13:10.41 | Neffi | weird |
| 13:10.50 | Semlar | wait |
| 13:10.55 | Semlar | you can call SetWidth and SetHeight |
| 13:11.02 | Semlar | but not SetSize |
| 13:11.10 | Semlar | okay then |
| 13:12.01 | Semlar | i guess i gave up too soon |
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| 14:10.30 | jleclanche | airtonix: ping |
| 14:10.45 | airtonix | hi there |
| 14:10.51 | jleclanche | airtonix: you gonna like this |
| 14:10.51 | jleclanche | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2014-January/013156.html |
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| 14:13.55 | airtonix | i'm trying to think of how to use this in gnome-shell |
| 14:14.07 | jleclanche | ew |
| 14:14.15 | airtonix | create a dbus service wrapper around xdg.mime ? |
| 14:14.25 | Dagmar | Just as long as you tell them "go to hell" when they try to make it a systemd function |
| 14:14.28 | jleclanche | why would you do that? |
| 14:14.35 | jleclanche | i mean |
| 14:14.42 | jleclanche | desktop files are activatable through dbus |
| 14:14.46 | jleclanche | thats just not implemented currently |
| 14:14.47 | airtonix | so i can ask it from any language without |
| 14:14.49 | jleclanche | but i will definitely do that |
| 14:14.54 | jleclanche | urgh |
| 14:14.54 | jleclanche | dont |
| 14:15.07 | jleclanche | these pointless wrappers of wrappers of wrappers are stupid |
| 14:15.24 | airtonix | then what do i do? |
| 14:15.28 | Dagmar | You should just interact directly with dbus in the language you're using |
| 14:15.46 | Dagmar | ...or hassle dbus through the shell. Hint hint |
| 14:15.53 | airtonix | Dagmar: so there exists already something that jleclanche made? |
| 14:16.10 | airtonix | gnome-shell isn't python |
| 14:16.13 | airtonix | it's js |
| 14:16.25 | Dagmar | airtonix: I've no idea, but I think he's heading in a proper direction |
| 14:16.33 | airtonix | so do i |
| 14:16.36 | airtonix | but |
| 14:16.42 | airtonix | how to use in gnome-shell overview |
| 14:16.52 | airtonix | i know i need a search provider |
| 14:17.05 | airtonix | but then how to join that to jleclanches creation? |
| 14:17.08 | airtonix | answer: dbus |
| 14:17.19 | airtonix | use js dbus to ask his thing to tell me what programs to use |
| 14:17.26 | airtonix | otherwise |
| 14:17.32 | airtonix | i rewirte his thing in js |
| 14:17.56 | Dagmar | I suspect the problem is highlighted by the final >>>-quoted passage in his email |
| 14:17.58 | Dagmar | You don't. |
| 14:18.03 | Dagmar | You tell it to invoke the app |
| 14:18.21 | Dagmar | You don't personally have to know or give a damn about what the app is |
| 14:18.23 | airtonix | but gnome shell is js |
| 14:18.30 | airtonix | not python |
| 14:18.37 | airtonix | :> |
| 14:19.39 | Dagmar | I'd say someone shoudl make a dbus conduit, but there's some labeling issues with that |
| 14:20.01 | Dagmar | THinking about it I'm not entirely sure how much dbus can get away with invoking things |
| 14:20.18 | airtonix | i don't want dbus to invoke, only respond with data |
| 14:20.26 | Dagmar | interprocess and process-to-user messaging, sure |
| 14:21.21 | Dagmar | i'm not sure how sane it would to be to try to build a search provider through dbus |
| 14:21.32 | airtonix | you dont |
| 14:21.42 | jleclanche | just make native bindings |
| 14:21.47 | jleclanche | the implementation isnt complex |
| 14:21.48 | airtonix | gnome-shell already deals with that via it's own search provider framework |
| 14:22.07 | jleclanche | i mean, i appreciate the idea behind generic, language-agnostic APIs |
| 14:22.17 | jleclanche | but this shit is performance-critical |
| 14:22.43 | airtonix | i guess i'm just shit then if i can't work out how to import python modules into javascript |
| 14:22.48 | zenzio | if there's one single word that sends chills down my spine as a developer, it's "generic" |
| 14:22.55 | Dagmar | heh |
| 14:23.08 | airtonix | because i don't know any other way to get the lists of desktop files you're discovering into a gnome-shell javascript addon |
| 14:23.31 | jleclanche | airtonix: as i said, reimplement it in the language of your choice |
| 14:23.41 | jleclanche | you're dealing with established specs |
| 14:23.44 | jleclanche | so its not a big deal |
| 14:23.52 | airtonix | yeah i don't have time |
| 14:25.19 | jleclanche | airtonix: why do you dev on gnome shell anyway? |
| 14:25.29 | airtonix | because it saves time |
| 14:25.33 | jleclanche | go on? |
| 14:25.59 | airtonix | i like the overview type to launch approach |
| 14:26.20 | jleclanche | i dont know what that means |
| 14:26.22 | airtonix | it's a lot like the command pallete in sublime text |
| 14:26.35 | airtonix | jleclanche: tap super, type fil |
| 14:26.37 | airtonix | get nautilus |
| 14:26.47 | airtonix | tap super type vid |
| 14:26.54 | airtonix | get nautilus bookmark for videos |
| 14:27.09 | airtonix | i don't even use menus anymore or docks |
| 14:27.44 | airtonix | also the chat integration is great |
| 14:27.51 | jleclanche | meh |
| 14:27.54 | jleclanche | i wont go into much detail |
| 14:28.00 | jleclanche | but gnome is a dying horse |
| 14:28.26 | jleclanche | devs that persist using it to me are in for a lot of trouble down the line |
| 14:28.33 | airtonix | how so? |
| 14:28.58 | jleclanche | GTK is being slowly abandoned by everyone |
| 14:29.14 | Dagmar | Because Pottering has fucked it to death and we're just waiting for the smell of decay to start running people off |
| 14:29.32 | airtonix | still seems to launch programs and get out of my way fine |
| 14:29.41 | airtonix | move between desktops |
| 14:29.48 | jleclanche | i dont understand why lennart is still in the gnome camp |
| 14:29.49 | airtonix | looks great |
| 14:29.55 | Dagmar | Until they decide apps shouldn't always do what you expect them to do |
| 14:29.57 | airtonix | doesn't looks like arse |
| 14:29.59 | jleclanche | the guy clearly understands the future of the linux desktop |
| 14:30.13 | jleclanche | and hes using the most ass-backwards DE available |
| 14:30.56 | airtonix | i still can't see how it's backward or dead |
| 14:31.18 | airtonix | i don't program in gtk and never will |
| 14:31.38 | jleclanche | if you want to figure out whether a technology is dead or dying, look at its developer community |
| 14:31.53 | jleclanche | ive repeatedly said this is why google's products fail, all the fucking time |
| 14:32.20 | airtonix | it does what i want, whether it's dying or not is irrelevant to me. it wont' stop working on my machine |
| 14:32.30 | jleclanche | whenever they dont release a dev community, or really retarded APIs or very minor "we doin' efforts guys" bs, the products end up with nearly zero adoption |
| 14:32.36 | jleclanche | cf. g+ |
| 14:32.59 | jleclanche | and cf. android, which has a fantastic ecosystem |
| 14:33.18 | airtonix | so are you saying i should be using kde instead? |
| 14:33.24 | jleclanche | hell, apple's original release of iOS pretty much was like that |
| 14:33.26 | airtonix | because other people use it? |
| 14:33.28 | jleclanche | airtonix: use whatever you want |
| 14:34.04 | jleclanche | the way i see it, you'll switch eventually |
| 14:34.10 | airtonix | why is that? |
| 14:34.18 | airtonix | emotional insecurity? |
| 14:34.28 | jleclanche | because as i said gnome is dying. and that means that there will be a point where it'll be unusable |
| 14:34.34 | airtonix | fuck it i'm switching now |
| 14:34.58 | jleclanche | so the way i see it, you might as well switch when you still have the occasion to improve whichever DE you'll be using next |
| 14:35.37 | jleclanche | but as i said, use whatever you want |
| 14:35.40 | airtonix | i can't remember why i stopped using kde |
| 14:35.45 | airtonix | is kde5 out yet |
| 14:35.54 | jleclanche | my POV is very biased because of how i operate |
| 14:36.10 | jleclanche | and no, not yet - very soon, and theres a preview of it available if you want |
| 14:36.22 | jleclanche | highly, highly recommend it |
| 14:36.25 | jleclanche | i havent tried it yet |
| 14:36.29 | airtonix | like i said |
| 14:36.41 | airtonix | if kde 4 worked for my workflow i would still be using it |
| 14:36.49 | airtonix | 4.5 ? |
| 14:36.55 | jleclanche | 4.12 |
| 14:37.07 | airtonix | it's sexy |
| 14:37.19 | airtonix | i just can't remember what it was that stopped me using it |
| 14:37.49 | jleclanche | well theres plenty of reasons why i stopped using kde |
| 14:37.53 | jleclanche | i like making my own DE |
| 14:38.16 | airtonix | i actually really like adwaita |
| 14:38.29 | jleclanche | if you're into previews btw |
| 14:38.37 | jleclanche | you might want to look into Hawaii, from the Maui Project |
| 14:38.42 | jleclanche | its a qt5, wayland-only DE |
| 14:38.48 | jleclanche | and it is bloody amazing |
| 14:38.50 | jleclanche | holy shit |
| 14:39.07 | jleclanche | i fell in love as soon as i used it. not dealing with X11 is INCREDIBLE |
| 14:40.20 | airtonix | here's one thing that really fucking annoys me about kde |
| 14:40.28 | jleclanche | airtonix: but yeah, what i was saying earlier... to me its less about the DE and more about the apps. if kde doesnt fit your workflow, get apps to fix that |
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| 14:40.56 | airtonix | nautilus can mount ssh, and i can just use files as a stream |
| 14:41.03 | airtonix | dolphin has to copy them first |
| 14:41.21 | jleclanche | i dont know about dolphin but KIO is a lot better than gvfs |
| 14:41.23 | airtonix | i got sick of filling up my local harddrive with movies and shit |
| 14:41.38 | jleclanche | and KIO definitely has that capability |
| 14:41.39 | jleclanche | but |
| 14:41.41 | jleclanche | look into sshfs |
| 14:41.43 | jleclanche | i prefer it |
| 14:42.00 | airtonix | sshfs has to be configured from the terminal |
| 14:42.30 | airtonix | it should just snap into the file manager |
| 14:42.41 | airtonix | snap/join/be apart of / fucking make it easy |
| 14:42.55 | airtonix | i stopped using windows becauase it was hard to use |
| 14:43.04 | airtonix | i'm not looking to use linux to make my life harder |
| 14:43.11 | airtonix | gnome shell helps me achieve that |
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| 14:52.58 | karl_w_w | well coded website hyperlink: internallink://type=page,id=3539,group=1/ |
| 14:56.17 | Dagmar | airtonix: So... you recognize you're using gnome shell to make your life harder. |
| 14:56.20 | Dagmar | It's a first step... |
| 14:56.34 | airtonix | fuuuuuuuu |
| 14:56.41 | airtonix | i will hunt you down |
| 14:56.45 | Dagmar | heh |
| 14:56.46 | airtonix | and install windows |
| 14:57.55 | Kesava | you stopped using kde because it's incredibly ugly |
| 14:58.25 | airtonix | yes |
| 14:58.42 | airtonix | stupid themes that only go 70% of the way to their promise |
| 14:59.08 | airtonix | the designer must have gotten bored and just went "fuck it" and scribbled the rest in |
| 14:59.15 | VIad | dicuss: OS with lua engine interface |
| 14:59.17 | zenzio | I don't remember why I started using Xfce, but I found I didn't care to try anything else afterwards |
| 14:59.49 | airtonix | VIad: kd, gnome-shell aren't an operating system |
| 14:59.50 | Dagmar | Because it just gets shit done |
| 15:00.09 | Dagmar | WHen I'm in a hurry to get a desktop running, xfce is frankly my go-to for doing it |
| 15:00.34 | airtonix | what's frank got to do with it? |
| 15:00.38 | Dagmar | I use it for the same reasons I used to use Gnome... it just gets a reasonable default setup going so I don't have to spend the rest of my day fucking with making it usable |
| 15:00.54 | jleclanche | VIad: what do you "interface" with anyway |
| 15:01.16 | airtonix | the power point |
| 15:01.23 | airtonix | via a fork |
| 15:01.28 | jleclanche | its really a different mindset once you're interacting purely with files |
| 15:01.47 | jleclanche | and not with shitty osx or win32 apis |
| 15:01.48 | VIad | I was talking about a OS like windows - for the users :P |
| 15:01.58 | VIad | meaning interface is important |
| 15:02.14 | airtonix | the desktop environment isn't the operating system |
| 15:02.27 | airtonix | most windows users actually have no idea what an operating system is |
| 15:02.30 | VIad | no but gl to separate the desktop environment from windows :P |
| 15:02.46 | airtonix | explorer.exe |
| 15:02.47 | airtonix | bam |
| 15:02.49 | jleclanche | and gl adding a lua interface to windows |
| 15:02.59 | VIad | I said OS to keep the options there |
| 15:03.11 | jleclanche | right, but theres no "options" like windows or osx |
| 15:03.16 | airtonix | i said OS to be trendy and a cool forum person |
| 15:03.20 | jleclanche | you're talking about linux or a similarly open source OS |
| 15:03.52 | VIad | I said discuss about a OS that has a desktop environment that uses lua to define how stuff appear :P |
| 15:03.53 | jleclanche | and in those, theres nothing to interface with |
| 15:04.00 | jleclanche | right |
| 15:04.04 | jleclanche | well, what about it? |
| 15:04.10 | airtonix | conky uses Lua |
| 15:04.14 | jleclanche | gnome uses js/vala |
| 15:04.24 | jleclanche | hell, i was writing a python DE a while back |
| 15:04.30 | airtonix | but you can use conky in any desktop environment |
| 15:06.35 | VIad | what is your favorite desktop env, jleclanche? |
| 15:06.43 | jleclanche | VIad: I work on LXQt |
| 15:06.46 | jleclanche | http://lxde.org |
| 15:07.00 | VIad | that sounds new |
| 15:07.04 | jleclanche | it is new |
| 15:07.25 | jleclanche | we merged Razor-qt and LXDE's next-generation plans for LXDE-Qt |
| 15:07.58 | airtonix | needs wobbly inwdows |
| 15:08.03 | nevcairiel | can't be very good, they cant even afford a working web server |
| 15:08.18 | jleclanche | ? |
| 15:08.22 | airtonix | maybe you can't afford a working internet connection |
| 15:08.31 | VIad | 404 here too |
| 15:08.35 | nevcairiel | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/lxde.org |
| 15:08.37 | nevcairiel | i checked! |
| 15:08.39 | airtonix | works for me |
| 15:08.48 | jleclanche | It's just you. http://lxde.org is up. |
| 15:08.49 | airtonix | i'm using it! |
| 15:08.50 | VIad | but I time out myself |
| 15:08.59 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: that site is saying lxde.org is up |
| 15:09.02 | jleclanche | and its up here |
| 15:09.05 | VIad | americans :P |
| 15:09.06 | airtonix | oh this is a nice screenshot |
| 15:09.12 | airtonix | http://lxde.org/lxtask_task_manager |
| 15:09.33 | VIad | me and nevcairiel are from europe so might be a connectivity issue |
| 15:09.38 | airtonix | hurdur i like that this page loads up: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Main_Page |
| 15:09.39 | nevcairiel | jleclanche: site sayed it was down as well |
| 15:09.44 | nevcairiel | why would i otherwise link it :P |
| 15:09.54 | VIad | nevcairiel: actually it said it was up for me :P |
| 15:09.56 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: idk but that site tells me its up |
| 15:10.02 | airtonix | in arabic! lawl |
| 15:10.44 | jleclanche | anyway lxde is in a transition phase at the mo |
| 15:11.31 | airtonix | http://imgur.com/PLEvH3T |
| 15:12.33 | Maldivia | ohh, nice -- 3 Danish Oscar nominations |
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| 15:16.47 | karl_w_w | pity nominations ftw? :D |
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| 15:18.06 | zenzio | "This is going to be fun... I call a function and after it returns, 'this' is off by one." |
| 15:19.55 | karl_w_w | who still uses this? |
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| 15:20.42 | zenzio | C++ developers |
| 15:21.03 | zenzio | that quote was from one of the VC++ (the compiler) developers |
| 15:22.30 | Maldivia | karl_w_w: no, all well earned :) |
| 15:26.04 | karl_w_w | oh my god, my music has been incorrectly tagged! |
| 15:26.15 | zenzio | you monster |
| 15:26.41 | karl_w_w | 30 seconds to mars are actually called thirty seconds to mars |
| 15:31.02 | jleclanche | hahahah |
| 15:31.05 | jleclanche | Dagmar: from HN: "When Blizzard scripted WoW with TCL I was like "finally, someone gets it!" but that was more an anomaly than anything else." |
| 15:31.07 | jleclanche | holy shit. |
| 15:31.30 | jleclanche | what a world that would have been |
| 15:32.55 | nevcairiel | addons in tcl? oh my |
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| 16:06.15 | airtonix | is amd still shit on linux? |
| 16:06.20 | airtonix | amd/ati |
| 16:06.45 | airtonix | http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_a8_7600_apu_review,1.html |
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| 16:22.24 | jleclanche | airtonix: valves working on it |
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| 16:48.51 | Shirik | amd is still shit on everything |
| 16:49.25 | Shirik | zenzio: easy to solve |
| 16:49.33 | Shirik | __asm dec ecx |
| 16:49.54 | Shirik | that's a "totally portable" way to fix your this pointer |
| 16:50.37 | Shirik | actually tbh I think if I did that most intel compilers would sneak in a push and pop ecx to restore the this pointer back to its (incorrect) value, now that I think about it |
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| 17:13.33 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/gPs3V lol |
| 17:17.51 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/Jbqqi.jpg and more realistic :P |
| 17:27.59 | Neffi | video games are the devil's work, karl_w_w |
| 17:28.18 | Shirik | but what about this classic? |
| 17:28.19 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBr7EhL6Jpg |
| 17:28.56 | karl_w_w | not even the best Shirik |
| 17:29.04 | karl_w_w | that other game that i forgot the name of is better |
| 17:29.13 | Neffi | Oregon trail? |
| 17:29.56 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rikTiT2OwqQ |
| 17:31.15 | Neffi | lol |
| 17:33.08 | Neffi | The time doesnt even fit inside the texture behind it. Nice touch |
| 17:35.01 | Maldivia | ... what?!! Oracle came to their senses!! Ask no longer bundled with java updates!? |
| 17:36.08 | Shirik | lmao |
| 17:36.10 | Shirik | it's about time |
| 17:36.16 | Shirik | they finally realized nobody wants ask toolbar |
| 17:36.44 | karl_w_w | they never should have dropped the jeeves |
| 17:41.46 | Fisker | nice |
| 17:41.49 | Fisker | so this update may not suck |
| 17:41.55 | Fisker | I disabled auto updates so much though |
| 17:54.28 | alestane | I just tried to search for "gitbox archive" and was asked "Do you mean catbox archive?" |
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| 18:02.12 | Arrowmaster | well this is strange, i created an encrypted flash drive and formatted it in exfat, when it automounts i can write to it but all the file permissions say the files are owned by root:root with 755 permissions but im writing to them with a user account |
| 18:12.04 | Fisker | Do those permissions work on exfat? |
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| 18:17.06 | Ermad | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.11 | Ermad | party* |
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| 18:31.15 | Shirik | Ermad: You can run a 'who' lookup |
| 18:31.16 | Shirik | but it won't be instantaneous |
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| 18:32.14 | Maldivia | GetPlayerInfoByGUID(UnitGUID("party2")) ? |
| 18:33.51 | jleclanche | WebKit.js: Pure JavaScript Port of WebKit (github.com) |
| 18:33.55 | jleclanche | things that can only be compiled inside the LHC ^ |
| 18:34.04 | Neffi | wtf |
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| 18:36.48 | zenzelezz | where would you run that? Other browsers? |
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| 18:38.16 | Neffi | they have some example videos on the page http://badassjs.com/post/20294238453/webkit-js-yes-it-has-finally-happened-browser |
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| 18:43.55 | Stanzilla | jleclanche: even if "Update: This was an April fools joke. Sorry if it got you. :)" |
| 18:44.00 | Stanzilla | on blinkon they talked about doing parts of blink in JS |
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| 20:00.13 | VIad | 1st april |
| 20:20.23 | VIad | Semlar: is it easy to make it so that the POI are hidden for untracked quests? |
| 20:20.56 | VIad | the tracker does a good job - but the map always shows all the POI locations (or blobs? I think it's called blobs, the circles with the digits) |
| 20:21.29 | VIad | it's POI |
| 20:29.50 | Primer | no |
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| 20:35.36 | VIad | don't say no, Primer! |
| 20:36.09 | VIad | sure it works |
| 20:37.06 | VIad | here is my napkin code |
| 20:37.16 | VIad | LQuestPOI_DisplayButton=QuestPOI_DisplayButton |
| 20:37.30 | VIad | function _G.QuestPOI_DisplayButton(a,b,c,d,...) |
| 20:37.31 | VIad | local r={LQuestPOI_DisplayButton(a,b,c,d,...)} |
| 20:37.32 | VIad | if tonumber(d)or 0>0 and not IsQuestWatched(GetQuestLogIndexByID(d))then |
| 20:37.32 | VIad | _G["poi"..a..b.."_"..c]:Hide() |
| 20:37.32 | VIad | end |
| 20:37.32 | VIad | return unpack(r) |
| 20:37.32 | VIad | end |
| 20:37.55 | VIad | if it's not tracked then it's hidden |
| 20:48.36 | zenzelezz | next time pastey the code |
| 20:48.46 | VIad | here is my updated scribble: http://pastebin.com/rLKvVyZm |
| 20:48.55 | VIad | yes - take a look now, zenzelezz, and Primer |
| 20:50.16 | zenzelezz | can't test that, but looks clean |
| 20:52.39 | VIad | should add a if check on parentName so it only does this for WorldMapPOIFrame children |
| 20:53.45 | VIad | but weird thing is at login the POI shows (probably because it's too early for IsQuestWatched(GetQuestLogIndexByID(id)) to return proper responses, hmm |
| 20:55.06 | VIad | in any case this way it hides POI of unwatched quests |
| 20:55.15 | VIad | and makes me happy so I don't see the beasts of fable spam :d |
| 20:55.24 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 20:55.57 | VIad | I have my own addon, and it contains a scribble file |
| 20:56.01 | VIad | that's where that script went ;) |
| 20:59.14 | VIad | zenzelezz: I'd write ... = nil to empty my two variables, but not sure if required |
| 20:59.23 | VIad | feels cleaner but I know the gc will fix it for me |
| 20:59.28 | VIad | such small values anyway |
| 21:00.52 | Mr_Rabies | i kind of want to replace my dbm pull timer with the countdown from kamen rider fourze |
| 21:01.45 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abq-dbblmaY |
| 21:03.15 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 21:03.33 | Mr_Rabies | his transformations are the best |
| 21:03.42 | Mr_Rabies | during the countdown they always do the most insane stuff |
| 21:04.25 | Mr_Rabies | it'll cut to different things for each number, for example, one was one of the characters seemingly candidly drinking from a water fountain and looking surprised when he realized he was being filmed |
| 21:16.42 | Mr_Rabies | this is fourze in a nutshell: https://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3ok6jNqPH1r86czqo1_400.gif |
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| 21:48.05 | Semlar | i don't think you need two hooks here vlad |
| 21:48.16 | VIad | why Semlar? |
| 21:48.34 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure QuestPOI_DisplayButton fires when the button is displayed |
| 21:48.47 | Semlar | it's not just for when it's created |
| 21:48.47 | VIad | let me check |
| 21:49.51 | Semlar | there's also a QuestPOI_HideButtons function you might be able to call directly instead of hiding it yourself |
| 21:51.56 | Semlar | it does some cleanup stuff but i don't know what that affects |
| 21:53.08 | Semlar | oh i think it hides every button after a certain index |
| 21:54.00 | Semlar | nevermind then |
| 22:02.58 | VIad | Semlar: http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/17688/QuestPOI.lua |
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| 22:05.48 | VIad | yeah I saw that the hidebuttons is called before drawing them hehe |
| 22:05.58 | Semlar | have you tried just hooking QuestPOI_DisplayButton and hiding the button if it's not watched |
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| 22:09.35 | Semlar | hang on, can you create a secure state driver that will execute when you mouse over a unit |
| 22:10.37 | alestane | Over a unit frame, maybe. |
| 22:11.03 | Semlar | if i understand this correctly it can just execute in response to a macro condition |
| 22:11.32 | Semlar | and "exists" is a macro condition |
| 22:13.04 | Semlar | i'm still a little fuzzy on this stuff |
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| 22:18.36 | VIad | ehm |
| 22:18.38 | Semlar | amg it works |
| 22:19.10 | Semlar | well screw this modifier key stuff |
| 22:19.22 | Semlar | NEFFI |
| 22:22.31 | VIad | Semlar: changed it to http://pastebin.com/dUZQVCYb |
| 22:22.46 | Semlar | does it work then? |
| 22:23.08 | Semlar | what if you change what quest is watched |
| 22:23.24 | VIad | yes |
| 22:23.26 | VIad | works |
| 22:23.57 | VIad | QuestPOI_DisplayButton is called by WorldMapFrame at WorldMapFrame_DisplayQuestPOI |
| 22:24.07 | VIad | and that is called by WorldMapFrame_UpdateQuests |
| 22:25.31 | Semlar | i figured out a way to click through friendly nameplates while still being able to click on enemies |
| 22:26.15 | Semlar | and this time it doesn't break the interface |
| 22:26.21 | Semlar | so that's a plus |
| 22:31.09 | Unkle | whoa. new style sheet on Blizzard's WoW forums. |
| 22:47.08 | VIad | Unkle: I don't see it |
| 22:47.59 | Unkle | All the fonts are different for me from this morning. |
| 22:48.21 | Unkle | And this machine hasn't had any installs - so I'm guessing they changed the CSS. |
| 22:48.24 | kd3 | text in posts is a bit bigger |
| 22:51.42 | Unkle | They changed to Arial and Verdana. |
| 22:54.25 | nevcairiel | and they failed to set proper expiry on the old style |
| 22:54.30 | nevcairiel | had to hard-refresh to fix some quirks |
| 22:54.58 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.12 | Unkle | nevcairiel: That's a pretty common error. I think pretty much everyone makes it. |
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| 23:01.55 | nevcairiel | I know its common, but thats not an excuse |
| 23:02.17 | Unkle | No, I wasn't excusing. Just commenting. |
| 23:02.26 | nevcairiel | worked in web dev/ops for the last couple years |
| 23:02.47 | Semlar | how do you set it to expire properly |
| 23:03.07 | Amarande | nev: since you've done a lot of web dev/ops stuff, any insights yet on what the net neutrality ruling likely realistically means for us? |
| 23:03.16 | nevcairiel | depends how the file is generated, if its just a plain .css file on the file system somewhere, the web server would check its modify date and all is well |
| 23:03.41 | nevcairiel | however, in many situations that gets screwed with by reverse proxies/load balancers, which discard such information <.< |
| 23:03.44 | Amarande | The sort of vibe one gets from some of the comments is an era of $20 MMO subscriptions and guilds that have to insist the entire raid team be on one ISP only :| |
| 23:05.43 | nevcairiel | (or even worse, css which is not in a file but served by some dynamic way, which also doesnt set such info properly) |
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| 23:35.29 | kd3 | oh, huh. completely didn't notice that my s4 comes with an IR blaster |
| 23:35.31 | kd3 | this will be useful |
| 23:35.56 | Amarande | kd3: should have been useful you mean |
| 23:36.13 | Amarande | I've heard the app support for the IR on the S4 is so rare-to-nonexistent that it really isn't as awesome as it sounds :( |
| 23:36.28 | kd3 | just as a tv remote is useful enough |
| 23:36.54 | Amarande | yeah, apparently the tv remote app for the s4 doesn't work as well as people hope |
| 23:37.14 | kd3 | eh, as long as I point it roughly in the direction of my tv it works. so, that's good enough |
| 23:37.21 | Amarande | speaking of remotes ... are there any good universal remotes that work well with a CD mega-changer as one of the devices? |
| 23:37.31 | Amarande | like, that will actually let you select discs from your hundred disc changer etc.? |
| 23:37.46 | jleclanche | kd3: theres IR on the S4? Ive been looking for a phone with an IR interface for ages |
| 23:37.56 | kd3 | yup |
| 23:37.59 | jleclanche | damn it |
| 23:38.02 | Amarande | jleclanche: yeah ... you don't hear much about it because apparently there aren't many apps for it |
| 23:38.16 | jleclanche | i knew i should have waited for the s4 when i bought my s3 :( |
| 23:38.32 | Amarande | seem to remember reading that the API for the IR was poorly published |
| 23:39.16 | Amarande | so app devs never really got around to biting |
| 23:39.38 | jleclanche | doesnt matter |
| 23:39.47 | jleclanche | as long as theres drivers for it |
| 23:40.01 | Amarande | possibly also because there don't seem to be other phones with the same feature, and android isn't really a platform where people like to develop for a single device |
| 23:40.31 | Amarande | if you want to develop for a specific device, you might as well go with Apple and reap better rewards :S |
| 23:40.50 | jleclanche | well it does make it trickier to introduce cool features on new phone models |
| 23:40.54 | Amarande | (though I don't know if iphones have it, either) |
| 23:41.06 | jleclanche | i think iphones only have nfc |
| 23:41.10 | jleclanche | im not sure if they do actually now |
| 23:44.48 | Gnarfoz | why is it continually called "IR blaster" in English? that sounds so crude, almost derogatory :o do you call tv remots "IR blasters", too? (or rather, do you think of them as containing one?) is there no other term? |
| 23:47.02 | jleclanche | i think its just a marketing term that took off |
| 23:48.27 | Gnarfoz | wonder who's to blame :D |
| 23:48.45 | jleclanche | sony apparently |
| 23:48.54 | Semlar-Laptop | what's crude about a blaster |
| 23:50.19 | Gnarfoz | (Samsung calls it IR LED (Remote Control), HTC just says "Support consumer infrared remote control") |
| 23:50.41 | Gnarfoz | Semlar-Laptop: sounds undirected, unrefined |
| 23:50.58 | Semlar-Laptop | but that's what it is |
| 23:51.27 | Gnarfoz | it's neither? |
| 23:51.27 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 23:51.36 | Semlar-Laptop | an IR blaster sends signals everywhere |
| 23:51.43 | Gnarfoz | and these phones don't |
| 23:51.45 | kd3 | eh, I learned the term when I bought my first hauppage card with a remote |
| 23:51.49 | Semlar-Laptop | then it's not an IR blaster |
| 23:51.56 | kd3 | ...which has a blaster and a receiver |
| 23:52.11 | Gnarfoz | (also, it sounds so... forceful - it's just light :D) |
| 23:52.26 | Semlar-Laptop | yeah well so's the sun |
| 23:52.38 | Gnarfoz | the sun is a true IR blaster! |
| 23:52.46 | Gnarfoz | in all directions, too! ;p |
| 23:53.03 | Gnarfoz | dunno, just sounds strange to me, apparently I associate different connotations with "blast" than native speakers |
| 23:54.01 | Semlar-Laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.05 | kd3 | eh, if someone says blaster without any further explanation, I think han solo's gun from star wars |
| 23:55.16 | Gnarfoz | fingerblast? oO |
| 23:55.24 | Semlar-Laptop | fingerblast |
| 23:55.35 | Gnarfoz | also, either Deja Vu, or I had the same conversation before |
| 23:55.42 | Semlar-Laptop | what's your native language |
| 23:55.48 | Gnarfoz | German |
| 23:56.17 | Semlar-Laptop | how do you say fingerblast in german |
| 23:57.20 | Gnarfoz | ...you don't? :D |
| 23:57.45 | Semlar-Laptop | :( |
