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| 00:26.38 | Neffi | heh http://www.tonymacx86.com/mac-pro-mods/120757-mac-pro-late-2013-replica.html |
| 00:26.56 | Neffi | he built a mac pro type replica out of an actual tras hcan |
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| 00:38.51 | Sintacks | i want to know what causes the background of some tooltips to seemingly randomly change colors .. |
| 00:39.04 | Semlar | one of your addons? |
| 00:40.04 | Stanzilla | that's a blizzard bug |
| 00:40.27 | Sintacks | it's the tooltip for titan social right now. but i've seen it do other tooltips |
| 00:40.30 | Semlar | i don't recall any tooltips randomly changing colors |
| 00:40.42 | Semlar | they're all black |
| 00:40.56 | Semlar | what do they change to |
| 00:41.10 | Stanzilla | purple |
| 00:41.40 | Sintacks | purple, yes |
| 00:41.40 | Semlar | is it any tooltip in particular |
| 00:41.43 | Sintacks | http://i.imgur.com/HGNMVqm.png |
| 00:41.55 | Sintacks | http://i.imgur.com/7xzvsmK.png |
| 00:42.06 | Semlar | i would have noticed that |
| 00:42.13 | Semlar | that has definitely never happened to me |
| 00:42.25 | Sintacks | that's the same tooltip. never let it hide/reshow |
| 00:42.43 | Semlar | that is very blue |
| 00:42.53 | Neffi | It randomly turned blue while still showing? |
| 00:43.03 | Sintacks | I've had it happen with TitanSocial, Proculas, Spamalyzer, and i don't know what else. |
| 00:43.04 | Semlar | what is this even a tooltip for |
| 00:43.08 | Sintacks | yes, Neffi |
| 00:43.19 | Sintacks | that's TitanSocial's tooltip |
| 00:43.19 | Semlar | but not the standard gametooltip? |
| 00:43.24 | Sintacks | no |
| 00:43.59 | Neffi | Do you have any tooltip addon? |
| 00:44.03 | Sintacks | yes |
| 00:44.19 | Neffi | It might keep a cache of all tooltips ever created so it can style them, and it might be responsible |
| 00:44.19 | Semlar | like one that modifies what it looks like |
| 00:44.27 | Sintacks | it only touches teh game tooltip |
| 00:44.40 | Semlar | these could be using the gametooltip |
| 00:45.26 | Sintacks | the normal tooltip can show up at the same time |
| 00:45.41 | Semlar | you sure it isn't hooking every tooltip |
| 00:45.46 | Sintacks | no |
| 00:45.55 | Semlar | it wouldn't be hard |
| 00:47.16 | Sintacks | http://i.imgur.com/fkgS9xB.jpg |
| 00:47.51 | Sintacks | that was at one point what i thought it might be doing... was i was hitting a player when it was open and the tooltip addon was changing the color on the wrong tooltip |
| 00:48.36 | Semlar | if you have something coloring the tooltip it would make sense that it might be the cause |
| 00:48.52 | Neffi | Do any ranged classes come with an instant-cast ranged nuke at level 1, or get one within the first couple levels? |
| 00:49.06 | Semlar | hunters might have arcane shot |
| 00:49.15 | Neffi | Ah, cool |
| 00:50.08 | Sintacks | ~seen Cirk |
| 00:50.15 | purl | Sintacks: i haven't seen 'cirk' |
| 00:50.34 | Sintacks | hunters do have arcane shot, yes |
| 00:50.38 | Sintacks | but not a caster |
| 00:50.40 | Sintacks | =p |
| 00:50.45 | Semlar | he didn't say caster |
| 00:50.52 | Sintacks | warlocks get an instant soon |
| 00:50.58 | Sintacks | i read classes as casters |
| 00:51.45 | Dagmar | I don't think Hunters get arcane shot at level 1 tho |
| 00:51.46 | Neffi | Just trying to demonstrate a proper 360 jump shot and I only have access to a trial acct |
| 00:52.00 | Sintacks | wat |
| 00:52.14 | Neffi | Jump -> turn around -> nuke something behind you -> turn around -> land |
| 00:52.15 | Semlar | HE SAID HE'S TRYING TO DEMONSTRATE A PROPER 360 JUMP SHOT |
| 00:52.25 | Sintacks | oo. that |
| 00:52.34 | Dagmar | If you dig around you might be able to find some of BRKs old videos |
| 00:52.49 | Neffi | Yeah but I wanna use the opportunity to test out dxtory for screen recording too |
| 00:52.51 | Sintacks | i hear 360 jump shot, and think, jump, turn 360, and headshot some poor person, that's in front of you. not behind you. |
| 00:52.58 | Neffi | lol |
| 00:53.19 | Dagmar | Well, "jump shot" as a techique isn't exactly useful if they're *not* behind you |
| 00:53.53 | Sintacks | in WoW, yes. |
| 00:54.09 | Sintacks | which is what made it make even less sense |
| 00:54.22 | Sintacks | cuz why would you do a 360 beofer hitting something in front of you in WoW .... |
| 00:55.14 | Stanzilla | for teh lulz |
| 00:55.16 | Corrodias | so you could shout "360 noscope" and i don't even know what that means |
| 00:55.25 | Sintacks | Uptime: 1w 6d 11h 40m |
| 00:55.29 | Sintacks | fuck |
| 00:55.36 | Sintacks | i was supposed to re-start for a software update |
| 00:55.37 | Sintacks | a week ago |
| 00:55.39 | Sintacks | but never did |
| 00:55.40 | Sintacks | lul |
| 00:55.47 | Dagmar | Stanzilla++ |
| 00:56.44 | Dagmar | I'm going to suggest that calling it a 360 jump shot is about as "cismale" without a specific context |
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| 01:06.42 | Neffi | Am I going crazy or something? |
| 01:06.43 | Neffi | "x86_64 is the x86 instruction set compiled for x64. which is why it doesnt need to be recompiled. which is why your post doesnt make sense." |
| 01:07.07 | Corrodias | what |
| 01:07.22 | Corrodias | what does or does not need to be recompiled for what situation? |
| 01:07.39 | Dagmar | What they're saying it wrong, but not why |
| 01:08.25 | Dagmar | I *suppose* the user might have a DEC Alpha because those were 64 bit and being sold to some consumers in the mid 90's, but... in that case they'd just be "fucked". |
| 01:08.47 | Neffi | I have no idea what he's trying to get at. He's in the middle of a conversation on x86 vs x86-64 mumbling about some recompiling and legacy and shit that doesn't even make sense |
| 01:08.55 | Dagmar | Its definitely not "the x86 instruction set" |
| 01:09.35 | Dagmar | x86_64 is simply the name for the compiler target, and refers to the instructions that are expected to run on modern 64-bit chipsets |
| 01:09.48 | Dagmar | i.e., Intel and AMD's latest offerings. |
| 01:09.57 | Dagmar | Certainly not DEC ALpha or some fuckin' Cray CPU |
| 01:10.24 | Neffi | Yeah, I'm well aware of what x86-64 is, what an ISA is, what compiling means, and all that jazz |
| 01:10.48 | Neffi | I'm trying to find some meaning in his ramblings. Maybe there's a language barrier? |
| 01:10.59 | Dagmar | THere's a bit of stuff for which it really doesn't freaking matter if you're using compiled for x86_64 or 32-bit wrappered |
| 01:11.15 | Dagmar | Neffi: Meh just ask him what the fuck he's on about |
| 01:11.52 | Neffi | Yeah, he just downvotes me and starts putting more of these "technical" words together that dont belong together |
| 01:12.03 | Dagmar | If the extent of what the person is doing is "just running it through the compiler" there's not much chance they're going to accomplish anything useful anyway |
| 01:12.54 | Dagmar | Neffi: Oh, I believe there was an animated gif posted to there today about arguing with people on The Internet (and goes double for Reddit) |
| 01:13.15 | Neffi | No, we were clearing up the difference between x86 and x64. Nothing at all to do with the compiler. |
| 01:13.28 | Dagmar | I had some tool yammering at me earlier today talking about why no one compiles Android on Android. |
| 01:13.51 | Dagmar | Neffi: Tell him "SHITLOADS OF NEW PROCESSOR FLAGS AND TEH VIRTUALISHUNS" and call it good. |
| 01:14.30 | Dagmar | Neffi: This same dude was also running his mouth about having used Slackware since he was 12 and it never took him more than an hour to build a kernel. |
| 01:14.37 | Dagmar | I'm like "Are you 19?" |
| 01:14.50 | Dagmar | I used to start those fucking things before I went to bed. |
| 01:15.08 | Neffi | He's boasting about using Slackware. He's not more than 19 |
| 01:15.21 | Dagmar | Android's a pretty small amount of stuff to compile compared to some of the behemoths in Linux-land. |
| 01:15.24 | Neffi | or he's a 1337 h4x0r and you better watch out before he gets ur ip |
| 01:15.33 | Dagmar | Neffi: Well, I've been using Slackware for about 20 years now. |
| 01:15.54 | Dagmar | Neffi: He might be interested to learn I've been at it since before he was born. heh |
| 01:16.02 | Neffi | And do you run your mouth about that fact like it makes you cool? |
| 01:16.25 | Dagmar | No, it's a hint that I *might* just be speaking from experience on a whole lot of LInux things because I've had a LONG time to be doing it |
| 01:16.44 | Dagmar | If gcc could report /played for me, it would be reporting in decades |
| 01:17.07 | Neffi | Time spent compiling. Not a bad idea. |
| 01:17.22 | Dagmar | I've done a *lot* of stupid dorking around with compiler flags. |
| 01:17.26 | Dagmar | *Fuck* most Gentoo people. |
| 01:18.16 | Dagmar | If it was already compiled for your target, there's very few sensible reasons to waste time compiling it again |
| 01:18.22 | Neffi | Bah. I checked his comments and he's some anti-science fundamentalist wingnut who apparently sabatoges any remotely scientific conversation. I see I've been had. |
| 01:18.41 | Neffi | Hey! I was a Gentoo person for a little while |
| 01:18.56 | Neffi | when I was.. 19 |
| 01:19.33 | Corrodias | i can't tell the difference between linux distros except that Debian is run by a dedicated group of people who write/import custom security patches for ancient versions of software that goes into that distro |
| 01:20.14 | Dagmar | Corrodias: It's not necessarily ancient, but it's a different mindset about how "moving" a "moving target" can acceptably be. |
| 01:20.33 | Dagmar | They're very into not changing the featureset, which is very useful. |
| 01:20.58 | Corrodias | i can accept that. i don't know who it's useful for. |
| 01:21.14 | Dagmar | People who don't have oodles of free time to fuck with every machine |
| 01:21.37 | Dagmar | If you're running your own shit, you play the roles of both admin and customer. |
| 01:22.16 | Dagmar | If you have users who are not you, there will be Problems if you trivially throw in patches and changes onto the thing that's running their hacked together piece of shit accounting database with a jillion lines of half-assed in-house code |
| 01:23.19 | Dagmar | 'cuz places which aren't in the business of writing code themselves change that sort of thing on a positively glacial schedule |
| 01:23.26 | Corrodias | would it be fair to say we're probably talking about bad/slow developers making kludges that only work in very specific conditions? |
| 01:23.41 | Dagmar | That is unfortunately the _common_ case |
| 01:23.43 | Corrodias | so, banks and whatnot |
| 01:24.04 | Dagmar | Equally common is code that is so deranged it's a wonder it works at all. |
| 01:24.57 | Corrodias | they deliberately stagnate the software such as the browsers, so, i'm having trouble imagining what program would require version 17 of Firefox |
| 01:24.59 | Dagmar | Also, companies that sell applications that were initially developed a decade ago, and are now maintained by committee, meaning no major architectural improvements have _ever_ happened. |
| 01:25.33 | Dagmar | Corrodias: Nothing I can think of unless it was actually a browser plugin, or someone doing something definitively stupid with mozilla specific -moz settings |
| 01:26.51 | Dagmar | Corrodias: For example, I know of a major network management package that uses non-threaded mysql and ISAM table format |
| 01:26.59 | Corrodias | meanwhile, when it comes to things like ubuntu (although i understand ubuntu is a LITTLE different), its derivatives like mint, fedora, and slackware, it's hard for me as a casual observer to tell what the point of them all is. |
| 01:27.26 | Dagmar | Most peopel should just go with something that's updated as often as they need it |
| 01:27.41 | Dagmar | If they want the new shiny, there are distributions just for that |
| 01:28.09 | Dagmar | It doesn't really matter which one specifically they use |
| 01:28.26 | Corrodias | coming from windows, it seems crazy that the software isn't always kept up to date, with options to choose stable/beta/dev for each thing. |
| 01:28.31 | Dagmar | It will generally be _years_ before they'll have accumulated enough acumen for that to matter |
| 01:29.01 | Dagmar | I have yet to see that sort of thing on Windows, actually |
| 01:29.26 | Corrodias | most of my software auto-updates or at least tells me about updates |
| 01:29.27 | Dagmar | ...and it also comes down to how the software in question is being developed. |
| 01:29.40 | Dagmar | Corrodias: Most of the major distros have an automated update mechanism. |
| 01:29.44 | Corrodias | (a far cry from 15 years ago) |
| 01:30.28 | Corrodias | oh, that's right, even the distro releases do get updates. that makes sense. |
| 01:30.38 | Dagmar | ...although there seems to be some inner conflict between a) making the user actually behave like an admin and pay attention when updates happen and b) accepting that they should just call it what it is when they're not watching: "noob mode updates" |
| 01:31.41 | Dagmar | Slackware and Debian definitely expect you to put on the admin hat and god help you if you refuse |
| 01:32.05 | Corrodias | what does Gentoo do? anything? |
| 01:32.26 | Dagmar | They give users a massive build architecture with which they can waste electricity |
| 01:32.39 | Neffi | Gentoo is straight rolling release |
| 01:32.56 | Neffi | It's also very much-assembly-required. You better be your own administrator with Gentoo. |
| 01:33.01 | Dagmar | ...but it at least allows the clued in ones to have their systems exactly as updated as they like and configured to their own specifications. |
| 01:33.24 | Neffi | As long as you're the type that can read a man page, sure |
| 01:33.29 | Corrodias | so, Fedora and Ubuntu derivatives are the main "i don't want to have to get a diploma" distros |
| 01:33.35 | Neffi | Gentoo has some very nice things about it |
| 01:33.36 | Dagmar | Pretty much |
| 01:33.48 | Neffi | But some of them are "arcane" to most users |
| 01:33.50 | Dagmar | Mint would be for the people who want nothing to do with GNOME 3. |
| 01:34.08 | Neffi | Mint is nice for that, Corrodias. Cinnamon desktop is great. |
| 01:34.20 | Dagmar | Fedora is for people who would be using RHEL Desktop except it's desktop kinda sucks. ;) |
| 01:34.29 | Corrodias | i like it, sort of. not thrilled by the green color scheme that i can't seem to change properly. |
| 01:34.42 | Neffi | Fedora goes along that route, but their default GUI package manager is a massive piece of shit, and non-free things are slightly harder to get access to than in Mint |
| 01:35.01 | kd3 | eh, rpmfusion, click a few times, hey, non-free stuff |
| 01:35.13 | Neffi | Hence "slightly" |
| 01:35.14 | Dagmar | While I woudln't call it a piece of shit, I'd definitely concur that it's rough to deal with |
| 01:35.15 | kd3 | grr, blowing a bonus roll and getting a dupe piece of loot |
| 01:35.47 | Dagmar | If you *know what you're looking for* it is reasonably useful. |
| 01:36.01 | Neffi | Hey, I like Fedora. But for an everyday user, it is a POS. |
| 01:36.03 | Dagmar | Ubuntu's is considerably nicer for when you don't. |
| 01:36.07 | Neffi | mhmm |
| 01:36.13 | Dagmar | Neffi: you should try RHEL Desktop sometime. Hehe |
| 01:36.28 | Neffi | I'm still on Windows for a while |
| 01:36.39 | Neffi | I like my games |
| 01:37.14 | Corrodias | i think the games are the only thing keeping me on windows, aside from a couple of handy programs that don't really have linux equivalents. |
| 01:37.27 | Dagmar | That's the case for most people. |
| 01:37.59 | Dagmar | I'm half considering moving the Win7 enterprise install on my desktop at work into a VM and just dealing with it that way |
| 01:38.02 | Corrodias | process explorer, and some of the other sysinternals tools, wow |
| 01:38.03 | Neffi | When I switched to Linux while still doing school stuff that needed Windows, it was no problem to run it in a VM |
| 01:38.25 | Neffi | But gaming is another story. I don't like having to tweak Wine, worrying about an update breaking things, and getting subpar performance |
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| 01:41.52 | Corrodias | haven't found a torrent client i like more than utorrent (its queue and prioritization features are unmatched, and i've checked every other client), but that can run in a VM. i don't know if there's a music player to rival foobar. |
| 01:42.43 | Neffi | In my eyes, nothing in the *nix world rivals fb2k. |
| 01:43.21 | Corrodias | there are some that come close on windows. musicbee is neat. but that upnp/dlna plugin is really useful for me, and musicbee doesn't have any such thing. |
| 01:43.53 | Neffi | There's also no video player as good as MPC-HC in my eyes. This is why I started learning Python, so I could write desktop software for *nix w/ Qt5. |
| 01:44.40 | Corrodias | oh yes, that too. i want to like VLC, but i can't get over the way the audio stutters to a halt several moments after you pause. |
| 01:44.46 | Corrodias | and has for years |
| 01:45.43 | Neffi | I should probably get back on learning Python and Qt. |
| 01:46.10 | Neffi | Then again I'm having fun with yet another Skyrim playthrough. Priorities, man |
| 01:49.29 | g0urra | Neffi: speaking of elder scrolls, you're interested in ESO? |
| 01:50.06 | Arrowmaster | i use Smplayer2 on linux |
| 01:50.28 | Neffi | g0urra: Very, and holding onto hope that it'll be as awesome as I want it to be |
| 01:53.27 | g0urra | well.. don't be too excited |
| 01:53.49 | Neffi | People have been saying that |
| 01:53.53 | Arrowmaster | ive learned to never be excided for MMOs |
| 01:54.01 | Arrowmaster | they are all terrible at release |
| 01:54.08 | Neffi | If it sucks, it sucks, so what. I'm not expecting or hoping for the next "wow killer" though |
| 01:54.26 | g0urra | look, it's decent, but definitely not worth $60 for the game and $15 sub |
| 01:54.30 | Neffi | I'm expecting Skyrim with another incremental improvement in the fluidity of combat, more lands to explore, and the ability to kill other players |
| 01:54.33 | g0urra | maybe $20 and $5 respectively |
| 01:55.04 | g0urra | and considering how bugged skyrim was (is?).. well.. |
| 01:55.16 | Corrodias | Papyrus is the devil |
| 01:55.38 | Neffi | Yeah, I tend to forget how buggy it is on the console. On the PC we have the Unofficial patches, which are massive improvements to the base + DLCs. |
| 01:55.39 | Corrodias | literally worse than hitler |
| 01:55.53 | Neffi | And yeah, Papyrus is literally the worst language I've (tried to) use |
| 01:56.09 | g0urra | well, imagine skyrim without mods |
| 01:56.20 | Neffi | But ESO is not based on the Creation engine, so that's a huge plus |
| 01:56.25 | Neffi | At least when it comes to bugginess |
| 01:56.36 | Corrodias | code entered an infinite loop? well, it's in your save file now. forever. you can never get rid of it. it'll just eat up script processing cycles. enjoy. |
| 01:56.37 | g0urra | "Unfortunately, due to online latency, the combat system will not be the same real time combat the Elder Scrolls games are known for." |
| 01:56.51 | Arrowmaster | zenimax has been running stuff into the ground lately |
| 01:56.57 | g0urra | http://www.ign.com/wikis/elder-scrolls-online/PvP |
| 01:57.13 | Neffi | g0urra: I'm willing to be fair and give them some times to iron it out. Tbh WoW sucked early on too. |
| 01:57.33 | g0urra | but that was, what, 10 years ago? |
| 01:57.45 | g0urra | people don't want a buggy game at release |
| 01:58.00 | Neffi | Maybe that's why every MMO since WoW has sucked major ass |
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| 01:58.11 | Neffi | People compare a new product to one that's been mature for 10 years now |
| 01:58.16 | Arrowmaster | wow got its stuff sorted out rather fast though, when i started playing less than a year after release it was fine |
| 01:58.31 | Arrowmaster | a lot of mmos are still shit even a year after release |
| 01:58.42 | Arrowmaster | a lot dont even make it a year before they shutdown |
| 01:58.42 | Neffi | And developers shoot to compete with the 10-year-old giant that is WoW, which is probably bad |
| 01:59.13 | g0urra | the only big ones I can think of would be rift, tera, swtor and ffxiv |
| 01:59.19 | g0urra | tsw failed kinda hard |
| 01:59.40 | Neffi | I imagine it's hard to amass the funding necessary to get a new MMO in good shape quickly, because if the initial release fizzles, it's pretty much death right then and there |
| 01:59.58 | Neffi | The whole industry seems in a poor state |
| 02:00.03 | Arrowmaster | Neffi: unless its final fantasy |
| 02:00.18 | Arrowmaster | only franchise that could have pulled that off |
| 02:00.22 | g0urra | ^ |
| 02:00.35 | Neffi | That's a franchise that's got a massive history and backing |
| 02:00.46 | Neffi | Bigger than TES, I think |
| 02:00.47 | g0urra | and tbh FFXIV is the only one who captivates me more than WoW |
| 02:01.48 | Neffi | Which isn't comparable to SW:TOR IMO, because Star Wars games and EU tend to have a disjointed feel. You don't get the sense that it's all part of one big vision, which means less brand loyalty for the next game |
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| 02:02.22 | Neffi | It's less like "that awesome team is doing an MMO now!? omg" and more like "wow somebody made a star wars mmo." |
| 02:03.06 | g0urra | heh yeah |
| 02:04.35 | Arrowmaster | ive mentioned this before but ill bring it up again, highschool friend worked on SWTOR and couldnt understand why i thought they were shooting themselves in the foot using ActionScript for their UI language over Lua |
| 02:05.30 | Arrowmaster | now he works for EA Sports instead of Bioware |
| 02:05.42 | ZorbaBeta | arrowmaster, I'm vaguely astonished by World of Tanks' addon system. it's literally people decompiling flash files, modifying them, and tossing them in a directory that makes them replace native UI components |
| 02:05.43 | Neffi | chuckles. |
| 02:05.57 | ZorbaBeta | it works better than I'd expected, but only in the sense that it's not a *complete* catastrophe |
| 02:06.04 | Arrowmaster | wow |
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| 02:06.40 | Arrowmaster | i didnt even realize WoT had addons, i thought it was just new skins/models |
| 02:07.41 | ZorbaBeta | yup, there's addons. addons that kind of skirt the line of what's allowed - there's a gradually growing list of things the developers have said aren't allowed, and if they catch you doing one of them, they ban you. that's pretty much all that prevents complete automation |
| 02:09.01 | Arrowmaster | so they decide whats allowed and if you use an addon thats not allowed you get banned, complete opposite of wow |
| 02:36.12 | Neffi | Anyone want a good laugh? |
| 02:36.20 | Neffi | I just saw this shit on the TV as I was walking by. http://sharktankclips.com/season-3-episode-11-sullivan-generator/ |
| 02:36.45 | Neffi | I don't know if he's batshit crazy or just trying to get money by using big words, but it was fantastic |
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| 03:06.07 | Sintacks | http://i.imgur.com/EYBWO8o.jpg |
| 03:06.13 | Sintacks | http://i.imgur.com/aJSO6w0.jpg |
| 03:06.14 | Sintacks | wat |
| 03:10.11 | Neffi | stack hacken Sintacks |
| 03:10.29 | Sintacks | i killing spree'd through the ground |
| 03:10.46 | Sintacks | you used to be able to get under here in normal org |
| 03:10.53 | Sintacks | but it was never missing that wall |
| 03:10.59 | Sintacks | so there was never squares there |
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| 03:14.09 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.35 | Sintacks | best guild recruitment |
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| 03:49.26 | Shirik | that moment when someone posts on facebook and you go "who the hell is that" |
| 03:49.36 | Shirik | and then you hover over their name and it shows a different last name in the URL |
| 03:50.05 | karl_w_w | and you're like "oh shit that's my ex wife!" |
| 03:51.18 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:05.48 | Sintacks | lol... i read what karl_w_w said as still reading what Shirik was saying |
| 04:06.05 | karl_w_w | we are the same person |
| 04:06.32 | karl_w_w | Shirik is my phone name |
| 04:07.18 | Sintacks | riight |
| 04:07.23 | Sintacks | taht'sw hy you lol'd at your self |
| 04:08.13 | karl_w_w | I'm not very classy, I'm always laughing at my own jokes |
| 04:12.42 | Thunder_Child | That's because you are the only one who would |
| 04:13.01 | Sintacks | shots fired |
| 04:13.34 | Thunder_Child | Oh please, there has to be something returned to be a war |
| 04:18.34 | karl_w_w | he didn't say it was a war, he just said shots were fired :P |
| 04:19.18 | Neffi | so it's a shooting range, and you're the target, karl_w_w |
| 04:19.39 | karl_w_w | but I have a secret weapon |
| 04:19.45 | karl_w_w | Thunder_Child can't aim |
| 04:31.22 | Thunder_Child | No worries, I'll use a street sweeper |
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| 04:44.53 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.55 | Neffi | wtf did u do |
| 04:48.34 | Semlar | i'm making sure everything's on a pixel boundary so it doesn't look like that garbage in the center |
| 04:48.46 | Neffi | what the hell class are you playing? |
| 04:49.07 | Semlar | a level 2 monk |
| 04:50.29 | Semlar | even with pixel perfection i couldn't get fontstrings and scrollframes to work |
| 04:50.54 | Semlar | i think it has more to do with how the fonts are rendered than the scrollframes |
| 04:51.12 | Semlar | i'm not really sure |
| 04:51.27 | Neffi | I imagine scrollframes werent designed with this usecase in mind |
| 04:51.41 | Semlar | well maybe they should have been more imaginative |
| 04:51.59 | Neffi | Using a scrollframe for this is a shameless hack |
| 04:52.13 | Neffi | Nothing against that, but it's a *scrollframe*, not a generic mask |
| 04:52.24 | Neffi | I wish we could manipulate textures and stuff more |
| 04:52.41 | Semlar | it would be interesting if we could mask textures |
| 04:52.53 | Neffi | that's been a requested feature for a while |
| 04:52.59 | Semlar | you can mask the minimap |
| 04:53.05 | Neffi | long enough that we can safely say they're never gonna add it |
| 04:53.18 | Neffi | I mean, the community's been asking to be able to mask textures for years |
| 04:53.36 | Semlar | the portraits are masked |
| 04:53.46 | Neffi | There's a single function that masks into a circle |
| 04:53.52 | Semlar | i can't imagine it would be very difficult for them to add a function to do this |
| 04:53.53 | Neffi | It's not an arbitrary mask |
| 04:53.58 | Neffi | probably not at all |
| 04:55.18 | Semlar | aligning it with a pixel boundary seems to prevent the small amount of bouncing that the textures had |
| 04:56.34 | Semlar | bounce bounce |
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| 05:21.08 | Mr_Rabies | urgh |
| 05:21.22 | Mr_Rabies | you know what feature change i support? not selecting the text in the email field on the login screen when you get dced |
| 05:21.33 | Mr_Rabies | so that anything you type after you dc replaces your email |
| 05:21.49 | Neffi | Semlar: I've been aligning to pixel boundaries on my nameplates for a while. I didnt even know if I could remove that code (if WoW had improved that behind the scenes). Good to know it's still necessary |
| 05:22.11 | Neffi | Semlar: Do you see any quirks cutting fontstrings with a scrollframe when it's not moving? |
| 05:22.19 | Semlar | no |
| 05:22.22 | Semlar | only when it's moving |
| 05:22.33 | Neffi | I'm thinking of putting the name text inside the health bar, rotated, and cut at the edges, so it seems like it's "inside" the healthbar |
| 05:22.45 | Semlar | i think you could use a font string for unit frames just fine |
| 05:23.16 | Neffi | I really only need to read the first few letters and see the class coloring to know if they're targeting me or a friend, but doing a :sub and displaying (say 5) characters looks weird |
| 05:23.25 | Neffi | And displaying the full name is too much on my UFs |
| 05:23.54 | Neffi | So having it mask/clip at the boundary may actually look cool, and provide all the usefulness I need |
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| 05:30.30 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.50 | Semlar | so i can't trust the item comparison any more |
| 05:43.00 | Semlar | why would they like to me like this |
| 05:44.13 | karl_w_w | bodypull! |
| 05:44.24 | Semlar | ! |
| 05:46.55 | Gethe | at the blizzcon UI dinner the blizzard guy there (i dont remember his name >.>) said that they might add PNG support |
| 05:47.12 | Neffi | Semlar: I've been using RatingBuster for my item comparison |
| 05:47.29 | Neffi | It's still not fully updated to 5.0's stats, but the stats it does support seem to be correct |
| 05:47.31 | Gethe | they aparently already have it internally |
| 05:48.20 | Neffi | Been thinking of whipping up my own item comparison, but I don't want to manage updating formulas all the time, so I gotta see if there's a solid lib to handle it |
| 05:49.15 | Gethe | rating buster uses LibStatLogic |
| 05:49.30 | Semlar | it appears to be comparing it to the un-upgraded version of the soldering eye |
| 05:49.47 | Neffi | Semlar: how do you think I should show my target of target? http://i.imgur.com/6tkEbJD.png |
| 05:50.28 | Semlar | it's hard to tell what the bars represent |
| 05:50.50 | Gethe | a bar just under target health text |
| 05:51.11 | Neffi | Left is player. Right, same size, is target. Ones with the green icon are arena or flag carrier (icon is spec icon in arena, faction icon in BGs for FCs). Bottom to the right is party |
| 05:51.19 | Neffi | Wide bar is health, thin class-colored bar is power |
| 05:51.27 | Neffi | "tick" is experience (on player) |
| 05:51.38 | Semlar | how come the target isn't aligned with the player at all |
| 05:51.45 | Neffi | because |
| 05:51.51 | Neffi | It makes sense when the rest of the UI is clean |
| 05:53.15 | Neffi | It's centered around the character when I'm zoomed at my normal amount |
| 05:53.32 | Neffi | I went with the "not really symmetrical" on purpose |
| 05:54.46 | Neffi | Target depletes upward, including the cast bar, while the player depletes downward. It's intuitive when you play with it |
| 05:56.25 | Neffi | Gethe: I was thinking having its own vertical bar where you said, with the target-of-target's name text inside the health bar, clipped to its boundary. But I actually wanted to avoid having a bar. |
| 05:56.40 | Neffi | I dont care about the ToT's health, only the name (which will be class colored) and class |
| 05:56.59 | Gethe | hmmm |
| 05:57.13 | Semlar | you haven't got any other names |
| 05:57.20 | Neffi | I don't find other names useful |
| 05:57.42 | Neffi | I know my name and my party. I have T and + next to tanks and healers. I have no reason to see names of them |
| 05:58.27 | Semlar | maybe it's just me but as a healer i will actually prioritize people when things get bad |
| 05:58.28 | Neffi | The target's name looked really ugly, so I was gonna rotate it 90 deg and put it where Gethe said to put the ToT health bar, but I realized I dont really need the target's name. I know what I'm targeting |
| 05:58.40 | Neffi | Yeah I don't do raids at all currently |
| 05:58.49 | Neffi | And when I do, I will be using Grid, or something like it |
| 05:59.03 | Semlar | i also do need to know who people are on the raid frames for other things too |
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| 05:59.40 | Neffi | I have no intention of taking PvE seriously right now. I mainly do PvP, questing, soloing old content, etc |
| 05:59.55 | Semlar | :l |
| 06:00.06 | Semlar | why no srs |
| 06:00.06 | Neffi | I might get into PvE in WoD. Dunno. |
| 06:01.12 | Neffi | Well I'll try Gethe's idea of giving it a bar, and my idea of clipping the name text inside that bar. I'll see how it goes. |
| 06:01.29 | Gethe | you could put ToT bolow the target, justified to the left margin |
| 06:01.40 | Gethe | if you want just text |
| 06:02.12 | Semlar | i would make a ui but i am way too lazy |
| 06:02.26 | Semlar | there would just be too much to do |
| 06:03.00 | Semlar | but it would look awesome i'm sure |
| 06:03.28 | Gethe | yeah ive helped here and there on RealUI and i'm boggled at how Nib keeeps it all working together |
| 06:04.59 | Gethe | it's gone from a true compilation to almost a full replacement like Elv |
| 06:07.50 | Neffi | Semlar: you could have my code if you want |
| 06:07.57 | Neffi | but you might be better off with oUF |
| 06:08.06 | Neffi | I dont add features I dont use |
| 06:08.37 | Neffi | Gethe: +1. RealUI is one of my favorite UIs. |
| 06:08.52 | Neffi | That, and Kaitan's UIs, IMO are the best UIs out there |
| 06:09.46 | Neffi | Wow, it's changed a lot since I last saw it |
| 06:10.00 | Gethe | yeah it's pretty awesome and much of the reason why I poke at it every now and then |
| 06:10.49 | Gethe | oh yeah the UF are oUF now and much of the functionality has been condensed into one super addon |
| 06:11.29 | Neffi | I've told Kaitain that I would totally hire him to head UI design http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VOHZvEUo0g |
| 06:11.45 | Neffi | if I was leading a game, that is |
| 06:13.26 | Gethe | the talent frame is very interesting |
| 06:13.56 | Gethe | but yeah very well done |
| 06:14.38 | Semlar | does a lot of walking for a mage |
| 06:18.34 | Neffi | His Auras UI is also great http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hdQhYWDq3w |
| 06:23.14 | Gethe | i use weakauras, but ive never use the models |
| 06:24.36 | Neffi | Do incoming heals events fire for targettarget? |
| 06:24.58 | Neffi | Gethe: Auras was where he first started doing clever shit with the models, and I found his design ideas really novel |
| 06:26.38 | Gethe | not sure on inc. heals |
| 06:26.59 | Neffi | Right. Most events don't fire for them. Just found that out when the bar turned up empty |
| 06:27.33 | Gethe | doent blizz have a ToT frame? |
| 06:27.42 | Semlar | yep |
| 06:27.54 | Neffi | I had a system to throw *target events on a timer. I removed it a while back. Time to remake it. |
| 06:30.59 | Gethe | anyone know how to get rid of the annoying floating add that Curse puts at the bottom of the browser frame? |
| 06:38.43 | Neffi | Oh, heh, it does throw events for ToT |
| 06:43.58 | Semlar | neffi don't be the very model of a modern major general |
| 06:44.16 | Neffi | Why not semlar? |
| 06:45.17 | Semlar | that would be telling |
| 06:45.45 | Neffi | i dont understand |
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| 06:47.17 | Semlar | spoilers |
| 06:47.47 | Neffi | hey Semlar |
| 06:47.58 | Neffi | Can I see the code you used to rotate fontstrings using animations? |
| 06:48.36 | Semlar | neffiiii |
| 06:48.54 | Neffi | please? |
| 06:49.02 | Neffi | I dont feel like digging through the docs to figure out how to do it |
| 06:49.11 | Semlar | i guess i could write something |
| 06:49.39 | Neffi | Oh, I thought you had it written |
| 06:49.43 | Neffi | Nevermind, I'll do it |
| 06:52.38 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.16 | Semlar | neffi |
| 06:55.23 | Neffi | semlar |
| 06:55.27 | Semlar | neffi |
| 06:55.33 | Neffi | semlar |
| 06:55.36 | Semlar | what |
| 06:55.41 | Neffi | iunoo |
| 06:56.48 | Semlar | is that good enough for you |
| 06:58.19 | Neffi | beautiful. ilu semlar |
| 06:59.00 | Semlar | you're going to have fun trying to figure out how to anchor it |
| 06:59.22 | Neffi | And it does render crisp and pixel-precise at multiples of 90 deg |
| 06:59.49 | Neffi | Yeah, while an animation is in progress, isn't the frame's position defined as where it was pre-animation? |
| 06:59.53 | Neffi | So it's gonna be tricky |
| 07:00.18 | Semlar | i have no idea what it does if you use anything but the center point of the font as an anchor |
| 07:00.38 | Semlar | so if you want it aligned vertically you're going to have to figure something out |
| 07:00.46 | Neffi | I anchored it to the center of the frame, from the center of the font, and it ended up like 40 pixels to the left |
| 07:01.03 | Semlar | shouldn't've |
| 07:01.23 | Semlar | it should rotate about the center |
| 07:01.44 | Neffi | It didn't, but that's ok |
| 07:01.47 | Neffi | I can play with the positioning |
| 07:02.10 | Semlar | could be off by the height of the text |
| 07:02.25 | Semlar | or maybe half the height |
| 07:02.38 | Neffi | It's off by well more than the height of the text. And it's rotated about the left of the text object, not the center |
| 07:02.50 | Neffi | Or at least its anchor is skewed to look that way |
| 07:02.52 | Semlar | text:SetPoint('CENTER', text:GetHeight()/2, 0) or somethin |
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| 07:04.05 | Neffi | Well you were right, it isn't very readable |
| 07:04.59 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.54 | Semlar | offsetting the x and y by half the text height seems to center it for this font but it may be a coincidence |
| 07:07.16 | Semlar | i didn't do the y in that picture |
| 07:07.53 | Neffi | it's spelled Neffykins |
| 07:07.59 | Semlar | no neffi |
| 07:08.11 | Neffi | I'm pretty sure about this |
| 07:08.19 | Semlar | it's right there |
| 07:08.32 | Neffi | oh ok nvm |
| 07:10.18 | Neffi | We should invest in studying the thermodynamics of pizza pockets |
| 07:10.33 | Neffi | They manage to retain all their internal heat so well, that you're guaranteed to burn your tongue |
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| 07:46.46 | karl_w_w | every time i get bloodlust in an arena draft it goes down in my estimation of how good it is |
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| 08:45.25 | Neffi | yeah, semlar. rotated text just doesnt work |
| 08:45.33 | Neffi | it doesnt look right. it's not readable |
| 08:45.40 | Semlar | yep |
| 08:45.57 | Neffi | I think I would need to do a lot of tweaking to get it to look good |
| 08:46.29 | Neffi | There are scenarios where rotated text works well. Maybe if I find the right font, use the right opacity and coloration, etc, I can get a good looking rotated name |
| 08:46.59 | Neffi | But WoW's font rendering is notoriously bad. Many fonts just don't render well at certain sizes |
| 08:47.05 | karl_w_w | fucking windows updates set all my fucking library folders back to default |
| 08:52.20 | Neffi | This works ok: name = name:gsub('(%S+) ','') if #name > 6 then name = name:sub(1,5)..'.' end |
| 08:52.49 | Neffi | Show only the last word of the name (eg Nightsaber for Young Nightsaber) and if it's too long, abbrev to 5 and show a dot to signify abbreviation |
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| 08:59.37 | Semlar | fonts appear to shift around their anchor as it moves |
| 08:59.59 | Semlar | everything stays in the same relative position except the text |
| 09:00.39 | Semlar | which is probably why i can't get fonts and scrollframes to work |
| 09:02.04 | Neffi | You should just make an API for registering a new texture-based font, and an example TGA to show how it should be formatted |
| 09:02.19 | Neffi | So people can alleviate the inability to switch fonts with the texture system, by making skins |
| 09:02.31 | nevcairiel | because bitmap fonts work so well! |
| 09:02.37 | Semlar | that would be crazy slow |
| 09:02.58 | Neffi | His nameplates are clipping the font to act as a statusbar, so he needs to use textures to achieve it seamlessly, nev |
| 09:03.14 | Neffi | Why would that be crazy slow? |
| 09:03.18 | nevcairiel | still, bitmap fonts are crap :P |
| 09:03.22 | Semlar | you'd need a separate texture for each letter |
| 09:03.31 | Neffi | Isn't that already how you do it? |
| 09:03.43 | Semlar | yeah but i only have 2 digits |
| 09:03.48 | Neffi | Plus you only need numbers. Plus you can use 1 texture + SetTexCoord |
| 09:04.19 | Neffi | I mean register a new font texture file to use in place of the default one, not add arbitrary new fontstring to the nameplate |
| 09:04.43 | Neffi | nevcairiel: I'd argue that WoW's limitations are the crap in this situation |
| 09:05.00 | nevcairiel | double crap doesnt make it good |
| 09:05.03 | Semlar | i'm not too worried about not being able to use fonts anyway because of their size limitation |
| 09:05.19 | Neffi | It works well. I dont see the problem |
| 09:05.20 | Semlar | the biggest you can make a font is pretty small |
| 09:07.05 | Semlar | i decided instead of making nameplates unclickable i'd scale them all to 40% which keeps their clickable area relatively sane |
| 09:07.43 | Neffi | probably good. I think the only time I click nameplates is... I dont actually ever click nameplates |
| 09:07.45 | Semlar | they do keep their scale after being recycled so the only ones you need to worry about are new ones created in combat |
| 09:08.02 | Semlar | but i can rescale them whenever you hit a modifier key so it isn't toooo bad |
| 09:08.10 | Neffi | So at the end of combat, you apply the new scale to all the new ones in a batch |
| 09:10.10 | Neffi | Doesn't look too bad http://i.imgur.com/aW0dEPj.png |
| 09:10.13 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.53 | Neffi | It may not cover it all, but that's MUCH more sane than the default huge clickable area |
| 09:11.07 | Neffi | The default clickable area practically makes trying to click the nameplates useless altogether |
| 09:11.12 | Semlar | it's a lot better than having them overlap and making it impossible to click on what you want |
| 09:12.47 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:13.16 | Mr_Rabies | jesus i feel like ups should be scanning those grunts to update my tracking info |
| 09:13.26 | Semlar | >_> |
| 09:13.38 | Semlar | just making sure things line up |
| 09:13.58 | Mr_Rabies | i know it just |
| 09:14.00 | Mr_Rabies | startled me? |
| 09:15.03 | Semlar | it's usually prettier |
| 09:15.04 | Neffi | Semlar: If you don't release your nameplates, I might have to steal them |
| 09:15.15 | Semlar | ok neffi |
| 09:15.17 | Mr_Rabies | that reminds me, i still think it would be neat to build a QR code generator into wow |
| 09:15.19 | Neffi | :| |
| 09:15.22 | Mr_Rabies | for various purposes |
| 09:15.37 | Mr_Rabies | looking up npcs, quests, etc, on wowhead via your phone |
| 09:15.48 | Neffi | Mr_Rabies: Generate QR code for a player's armory page so you can scan with phone |
| 09:15.54 | Mr_Rabies | that too |
| 09:16.00 | Neffi | This is actually not a bad idea |
| 09:16.08 | Semlar | probably doable |
| 09:16.12 | Mr_Rabies | i've had this idea for years but i imagine implementing it would be a nightmare |
| 09:16.13 | Neffi | Definitely doable |
| 09:16.26 | Mr_Rabies | i guess qr codes are super redundant thoughs |
| 09:16.29 | Mr_Rabies | though* |
| 09:16.32 | Neffi | Wowhead and the Armory use predictable URLs, and I believe there's a QR lib for pure Lua. Or you could just write one. |
| 09:16.49 | Mr_Rabies | so you could probably use low-bit qr codes |
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| 09:27.36 | nevcairiel | it seems easier to just copy/paste the armory url into a browser, who wants to fiddle with their phone in front of a big pc screen o.o |
| 09:35.10 | karl_w_w | i have a qr generator to turn the url of the page im looking at into a qr so if I'm leaving my pc i can open the page on my phone. 'tis quite handy |
| 09:40.39 | nevcairiel | i have a browser that automatically tells my phone which pages are open now/were recently |
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| 10:32.04 | Neffi | Is there any more efficient way of sorting auras than dumping them into an array and sorting the array? |
| 10:32.41 | Semlar | i couldn't come up with one |
| 10:32.46 | Neffi | For some reason I vaguely remember being able to probe UnitAura with some predetermined sort order so you dont have to sort manually, but I may be mistaken |
| 10:32.52 | Semlar | well, except that i think they're sorted when you're pulling them out |
| 10:34.10 | Semlar | my aura tracking isn't what i'd consider efficient |
| 10:35.10 | Neffi | Yeah I just rewrote mine. I must've been high or drunk when I wrote it. For some reason I was wasting shitloads of tables and calling like 50 functions every UNIT_AURA |
| 10:35.14 | zenzio | sorted how? Alphabetically, by time, class, ..? |
| 10:35.21 | Semlar | by expiration time, presumably |
| 10:35.24 | Neffi | Now it's about as efficient as buffs possibly can get, but I want to implement sorting again |
| 10:35.29 | Neffi | By time, yes |
| 10:36.09 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure they're sorted by expiration time when you're looping over unitaura |
| 10:36.40 | Semlar | couldn't say for sure |
| 10:36.52 | Neffi | If so that's a recent development |
| 10:37.01 | Neffi | I implemented time sorting for a reason |
| 10:37.52 | Semlar | i thought buffs that were running out were toward the end |
| 10:38.30 | Semlar | you think your buffs are just random? |
| 10:38.40 | Neffi | Not meaningfully defined, no |
| 10:39.04 | Neffi | I'm almost positive they are not sorted by time. I also cannot test this because I only have a trial acct |
| 10:39.17 | Neffi | I'm not leveling a class far enough to have multiple buffs to play with |
| 10:39.21 | Semlar | could be random |
| 10:39.33 | karl_w_w | i like oscars season |
| 10:40.20 | Semlar | seems pretty random on my hunter |
| 10:40.32 | karl_w_w | screeners available as a source for torrents before the movie is released in the cinema here |
| 10:41.00 | Neffi | time to snag some movies |
| 10:41.09 | Semlar | the debuffs MIGHT be sorted by application |
| 10:41.22 | Semlar | but i can't tell |
| 10:41.24 | Neffi | Yeah, FrameXML's aura header is using a shitload of tables and recycling them to do the sorting |
| 10:42.16 | Neffi | That's not meaningful in my UI. I have all my auras off to the side, then I have only buffs that I applied to myself right next to my UF, so I can easily keep track of HoTs and shit |
| 10:42.29 | Neffi | And the same for debuffs next to target |
| 10:43.01 | Semlar | my target's debuffs appear to be sorted by application but my buffs appear to be pretty random |
| 10:44.00 | Semlar | it might be by application time too |
| 10:44.08 | Semlar | it's certainly not time left |
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| 10:52.24 | Semlar | reload |
| 10:52.30 | Semlar | :l |
| 10:56.16 | karl_w_w | same buffs from different people get grouped together |
| 10:56.35 | karl_w_w | except that yours get sorted before everything else |
| 10:57.03 | karl_w_w | s/buffs/debuffs/ |
| 11:01.48 | karl_w_w | hi Semlar, would you like to download like.php? |
| 11:01.57 | karl_w_w | because this webpage was coded well! |
| 11:02.16 | Semlar | no |
| 11:02.22 | karl_w_w | oh :( |
| 11:02.30 | karl_w_w | dislikers gonna dislike |
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| 11:16.47 | Neffi | So it turns out, other players can hear trial accounts /say |
| 11:17.01 | Neffi | I mean, maybe not in cities, but in the starting area I just confirmed they can |
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| 11:23.03 | Icicle | Morning |
| 11:24.57 | Semlar | nobody could see anything you did except emotes when i had a trial account neffi |
| 11:25.11 | Semlar | it was ridiculous |
| 11:25.35 | Semlar | ZERO INDICATION that nobody could see your text either, it just showed up in the chat like normal |
| 11:25.41 | Neffi | I just asked somebody to help me test an addon I'm writing by buffing me. And he did. |
| 11:25.58 | Semlar | maybe he just wanted to buff you |
| 11:26.03 | Neffi | And I asked for gift of the naaru and he was a level 2 warrior |
| 11:26.03 | Semlar | hmm? |
| 11:26.06 | Neffi | That's pretty specific |
| 11:26.12 | Semlar | sure |
| 11:26.22 | Semlar | yeah but still |
| 11:26.43 | Neffi | he stopped moving away and turned towards me, then gifted/naaru me |
| 11:26.49 | Neffi | That's pretty concrete |
| 11:26.59 | Semlar | i don't know neffi |
| 11:27.07 | Neffi | so stubborn |
| 11:28.05 | Neffi | my new code feels ugly semlar http://pastebin.com/YKzbh7xY |
| 11:28.10 | Neffi | why u do dis? |
| 11:28.17 | Semlar | it's what i do |
| 11:28.58 | Neffi | It feels so wasteful |
| 11:31.37 | Semlar | yes |
| 12:01.28 | airtonix | i never waste. i keep all my tomatoe seeds. |
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| 12:14.27 | airtonix | anyway Neflar and Semmi |
| 12:19.34 | Neffi | O.O |
| 12:33.00 | Icicle | I waste |
| 12:33.02 | Icicle | then I iterate |
| 12:33.25 | Icicle | or at least... that's what I do here... no choice |
| 12:46.07 | zenzio | onsubmit="if(!document.all){confirm('Please use a browser of the type Internet Explorer 5 or higher.');return false;}" |
| 12:46.24 | zenzio | and they wondered why they couldn't log in in other browsers (or IE without compatibility) |
| 12:47.03 | zenzio | I especially like the use of confirm() instead of alert() |
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| 13:21.50 | pompy | https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/p480x480/1524937_614436295276162_1564054068_n.jpg |
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| 13:37.16 | jleclanche | http://indielicious.com/2014/01/15/forced-perspective-demo-brings-anticipation/ |
| 13:37.17 | jleclanche | oh man |
| 13:37.22 | jleclanche | that last part especially |
| 13:37.26 | jleclanche | Portal on steroids |
| 13:37.27 | jleclanche | Fisker: ^ |
| 13:38.54 | zenzio | the wifi-networks at home are mostly called Get-<numbers>, since the cable TV/Internet provider's decoder box comes with wifi |
| 13:39.03 | zenzio | also "virusnettjensen" and some others |
| 13:40.12 | zenzio | at work there's just the typical "3Com", "Guests" and seven "Fdir"-networks... |
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| 14:16.41 | Icicle | *shivers |
| 14:16.53 | Icicle | I should've gone in the military to better deal with German management |
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| 14:50.14 | jleclanche | oh man |
| 14:50.14 | jleclanche | yes |
| 14:50.15 | jleclanche | I LOVE IT |
| 14:50.16 | jleclanche | http://dpaste.com/1552831/ |
| 14:55.52 | zenzio | I would say "neat", but I'm not sure what part we're supposed to look at. Did that not work before? |
| 14:57.53 | Stanzilla | jleclanche and everyone else in here: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=262679 please star |
| 15:00.54 | jleclanche | its on google's radar |
| 15:01.07 | jleclanche | so theres nothing else anyone can do |
| 15:01.12 | Stanzilla | stars! |
| 15:01.54 | jleclanche | zenzio: i am implementing the concept of view vs. edit (in addition to the currently more generic "open") on xdg specs |
| 15:02.11 | jleclanche | right now theres no way to say "i want to edit this file" or "i want to view this file" |
| 15:02.17 | zenzio | ah, that is indeed neat :) |
| 15:02.28 | jleclanche | so you end up with a photo opening in the fucking gimp when you just want to view it |
| 15:02.29 | jleclanche | OR A PDF |
| 15:02.30 | jleclanche | URGH |
| 15:02.47 | jleclanche | im excited cause this is something I've wanted to fix since pretty much the first days ive used linux |
| 15:02.48 | zenzio | "yes, I did want VLC to open JPG and RAR" |
| 15:03.04 | zenzio | yeah, I remember you talking about it at several occasions |
| 15:03.22 | jleclanche | if you're interested, detailed plans: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2014-January/013068.html |
| 15:03.28 | jleclanche | theres a lot more where that came from |
| 15:07.35 | zenzio | this is for once something Windows actually does; even if they convoluted it beyond any reasonable use over the iterations -- if I understand you correctly |
| 15:09.16 | jleclanche | windows does it very poorly and hackily |
| 15:09.25 | jleclanche | the only OS out there that does it properly is Android |
| 15:09.32 | jleclanche | im not a fan of their implementation but thats beside the point |
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| 15:37.04 | Fisker | :( jleclanche |
| 15:37.20 | Fisker | hey mikma http://i.imgur.com/EV4f1ON.jpg |
| 15:39.13 | mikma | fisker: old |
| 15:39.41 | mikma | and nobody uses that word to describe volume in finland anyway |
| 15:39.53 | Fisker | :'( |
| 15:40.10 | nevcairiel | usually these images are about german |
| 15:41.19 | Fisker | depends on what word is retarded in what language |
| 15:43.12 | Icicle | late to party, but starred |
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| 15:55.20 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: would still work with german |
| 15:55.43 | Stanzilla | guess that's why it's missing |
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| 15:57.40 | Lopeppeppy | When LDAP works, it's an awesome convenience. When it breaks, it's a pain in the arse. |
| 15:58.24 | nevcairiel | doesnt that apply for all kinds of things |
| 16:01.53 | jleclanche | no |
| 16:02.03 | jleclanche | theres plenty of things that are still a pain in the ass when they work |
| 16:02.35 | nevcairiel | "all kinds of things" != "all things" |
| 16:02.45 | jleclanche | you're a pain in the ass for example. |
| 16:03.07 | nevcairiel | but i never work |
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| 16:11.13 | airtonix | will work for pains in the ass |
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| 16:17.02 | Fisker | you don't say Lopeppeppy |
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| 16:35.00 | Lopeppeppy | For sure, Fisker. Remember, I logged out yesterday saying that my LDAP entry was corrupted and had to be fixed? Took them a whole day to decide how to fix that, me twiddling my thumbs bored the whole time. |
| 16:35.27 | Fisker | how does that even get corrupted, do you use linnix or some nonsense? :D |
| 16:35.47 | Fisker | I would've preferred twiddling thumbs today :( |
| 16:35.54 | Fisker | I spent so much time being surrounded by idiots |
| 16:37.09 | Fisker | It's not even fun |
| 16:37.17 | Fisker | "Users are not allowed to save on the desktop?" |
| 16:37.21 | Fisker | "Why do we give fucks about that?" |
| 16:37.24 | Fisker | "Just make it happen" |
| 16:37.39 | Fisker | Turns out it's because they are afraid of people stealing computers and finding sensitive data on it |
| 16:40.36 | Ackis | Fisker: saving on desktop is bad |
| 16:40.45 | Ackis | it's always been bad |
| 16:40.58 | Fisker | Yes |
| 16:41.22 | Dagmar | It's much easier for a thief to see as they pass by the office window |
| 16:41.50 | Fisker | But disallowing people from saving on the desktop because they are afraid people will steal a computer and find sensitive documents is dumb as fuck |
| 16:42.14 | Dagmar | Users are dumb as fuck. |
| 16:42.50 | Ackis | no, they should disallow people doing it because depending on your implementation the desktop may not be backed up correctly and/or you have limited profile space (which includes desktop contents)... also users are dumb as fuck |
| 16:43.47 | Fisker | I would disallow it because it's messy as fuck |
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| 17:18.45 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/YVjMbDN |
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| 17:38.07 | mikma | http://www.namemydaughter.com/ |
| 17:40.40 | Shirik | WackyTaco692 |
| 17:41.11 | Shirik | very nice |
| 17:41.12 | Shirik | he has ads |
| 17:41.19 | Shirik | I wonder how much he's making on that stupid site |
| 17:44.17 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, they don't know what happened. They covered their ears and sang la la la when I asked. |
| 17:47.07 | Fisker | :P |
| 17:47.17 | Shirik | http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/01/deaf-seahawks-derrick-coleman-commercial/ |
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| 18:23.52 | Fisker | btw Lopeppeppy http://i.imgur.com/FHMtBOA.gif |
| 18:24.48 | Lopeppeppy | Nope? |
| 18:25.04 | Lopeppeppy | That's about their reaction, ya. |
| 18:35.09 | jleclanche | haha |
| 18:35.10 | jleclanche | What's next? The pip corporation? Worldwide Gems Inc? |
| 18:35.10 | jleclanche | "Global ./configure&&make&&make install Industries" ? |
| 18:52.05 | jleclanche | is there a "Somebody stop him!" tvtrope |
| 18:52.19 | jleclanche | every time all i can think of is "Why don't you fucking stop him?" |
| 18:56.02 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 18:56.20 | jnwhiteh | not that I can see |
| 18:56.22 | jnwhiteh | but I agree |
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| 19:06.00 | Jamash | we know we told you we'd call you back yesterday but didn't, so we thank you for your patience as you wait on hold for an hour |
| 19:09.28 | zenzelezz | who is it in this case? |
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| 19:14.50 | Jamash | health insurance |
| 19:15.08 | Jamash | aka the mafia |
| 19:15.26 | Jamash | boy it would sure be a tragedy if you were to, say, fall down and break your legs tomorrow, wouldn't it? |
| 19:17.07 | Dagmar | Yep. It would be just awful if you did that and didn't have an insurance policy |
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| 19:17.15 | Jamash | I got through the hold menu and it started to transfer me, and then it hung up |
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| 19:17.37 | Jamash | it's like an mmo launch honestly |
| 19:17.55 | Ressy | One of the many reasons I like Canadian healthcare. despite higher tax rates. |
| 19:18.33 | Ressy | Honestly don't know how you guys do it. |
| 19:18.35 | Jamash | american low tax rates are fictional anyway, the costs just get pushed around |
| 19:19.22 | Jamash | I mean, for ordinary individuals. Obviously big companies and rich individuals pay absurdly low taxes. |
| 19:19.23 | jnwhiteh | truth. |
| 19:19.54 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: speaking of health care, are you automatically covered in Sweden from day one, as long as you pay taxes, or? |
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| 19:34.05 | Jamash | okay so I call them and say I need a prescription filled ASAP |
| 19:34.13 | Jamash | they say we will get back to you next tuesday |
| 19:36.36 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 19:36.50 | zenzelezz | prescription for what? |
| 19:37.20 | zenzelezz | we get our prescriptions electronically here now, so I don't have to visit them anymore |
| 19:39.38 | Jamash | it's the insurance company being stupid, not the doctor or pharmacy |
| 19:39.52 | znf | Yo mamma's so fat, Frostmourne no longer hungers |
| 19:41.14 | Fisker | I was thinking it could be your reaction Lopeppeppy |
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| 19:42.20 | Fisker | That's gonna be mine atleast when presented with copious amounts of bullshit |
| 19:45.02 | Jamash | Yo momma so fat this irc channel is too small to contain the truly marvellous proof I have discovered of just how fat she is. |
| 19:45.27 | Jamash | sup Fisker |
| 19:45.31 | Jamash | still fisking? |
| 19:45.32 | Fisker | hello Jamash |
| 19:45.39 | Fisker | I always fisk Jamash |
| 19:45.49 | Fisker | But fisking may not mean what you think it means |
| 19:48.21 | Jamash | obviously it means driving a plug-in hybrid luxury sports sedan over someone else's dogma |
| 19:49.16 | Fisker | oh |
| 19:49.19 | Fisker | I wish then |
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| 20:10.35 | jleclanche | http://dpaste.com/1553289/ |
| 20:10.36 | jleclanche | man |
| 20:10.58 | jleclanche | i love it when something i think about for 20 minutes and work on for 20 more ends up being two lines of code |
| 20:11.53 | TC-Work | It's possible that if you had not thought about it, it would have been more lines of code. In that case, it is time well spent |
| 20:12.42 | jleclanche | TC-Work: i should make a chart of the lines of code i thought this was gonna end up as, over time. |
| 20:21.26 | Maldivia | jleclanche: what about when it takes 3 hours, and what you end up with is switching the order of two lines? |
| 20:22.01 | jleclanche | Maldivia: |
| 20:22.02 | jleclanche | :D |
| 20:22.23 | Maldivia | that was my Monday afternoon in a nut shell, basically... |
| 20:22.38 | jleclanche | Maldivia: this was my last five days btw |
| 20:22.45 | jleclanche | - self.layoutChanged.emit() |
| 20:22.45 | jleclanche | + self.resetModel() |
| 20:22.54 | Maldivia | heh |
| 20:23.00 | Jamash | I was thinking I didn't know lua had inline assignment and then I realized that was python |
| 20:23.03 | jleclanche | this *is* a contest right? |
| 20:23.06 | Jamash | this is why I need my thinky brain drugs |
| 20:23.47 | Maldivia | jleclanche: question is... if so, is it a contest you want to win? |
| 20:24.01 | Lopeppeppy | Everything tastes better when I take my steak-tastes-better pill... |
| 20:24.03 | Jamash | I've spent a good amount of time staring at code and then after much debugging deleted a single character. |
| 20:24.11 | Fisker | what pill is that Lopeppeppy? |
| 20:24.11 | jleclanche | Maldivia: I'd feel a little more accomplished after having spent too much time on this shit, i guess :) |
| 20:24.40 | Maldivia | Lopeppeppy: this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synsepalum_dulcificum ? |
| 20:24.54 | Jamash | I called up my pharmacy a while back and the hold music was an instrumental version of Still Alive |
| 20:25.08 | Jamash | I could have understood I Feel Fantastic, but that just confused me. |
| 20:25.40 | jleclanche | Maldivia: then again if we're having a contest, what I am fixing today is the result of seven years of annoyance |
| 20:25.48 | Maldivia | Jamash: considering the small amount of people calling that pharmacy that actually know the track... |
| 20:26.02 | Jamash | jleclanche: yes, channel your hatred, let it flow |
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| 20:26.19 | Lopeppeppy | Oh gods, you Coulton heathens! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX23I890Umk |
| 20:26.39 | Maldivia | jleclanche: what I did today was based on more than 32 years of life-experience? |
| 20:27.03 | jleclanche | Maldivia: well, are you fixing something that's been annoying you for 32 years? |
| 20:27.29 | Jamash | Lopeppeppy: I was responding to that in a roundabout way. |
| 20:27.41 | Maldivia | jleclanche: not exactly :) |
| 20:27.45 | jleclanche | aha! |
| 20:29.54 | Lopeppeppy | But Fisker, Jamash? He needs a fantastic pill ASAP |
| 20:30.13 | Jamash | Fisker needs a Calminex |
| 20:30.32 | Fisker | yes pls a fantastic pill would be nice |
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| 20:36.27 | Fisker | bye Lopeppeppy |
| 20:36.31 | Fisker | RIP |
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| 20:38.01 | VIad | :( |
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| 21:29.26 | VIad | Fisker: :D |
| 21:32.32 | Semlar | hm my pet won't cast blink strikes if i tell it to go from one target dummy to another |
| 21:33.10 | Semlar | it just walks |
| 21:35.06 | Maldivia | probably has a minimum range? |
| 21:35.17 | Semlar | it definitely has a minimum range |
| 21:35.23 | Kodiack | Blink Strikes also has a cooldown |
| 21:35.24 | Maldivia | probably 8 or 10 yd |
| 21:35.26 | Semlar | but i'm taking that into account |
| 21:35.35 | Semlar | i'm also taking the cooldown into account |
| 21:35.55 | Semlar | okay you know the target dummies in front of the shrine |
| 21:35.58 | Kodiack | 20 second ICD is what you're taking into account? |
| 21:36.14 | Semlar | it is definitely not on cooldown when i tell it to change targets |
| 21:36.30 | Semlar | it's just been autoattacking one of the target dummies for like a minute |
| 21:36.53 | Semlar | if i tell it to attack the farthest target dummy from it it will just walk along the wall to it |
| 21:37.37 | Semlar | i don't know if it's a pathing issue or what |
| 21:37.57 | Semlar | i doubt it since i've had the pet teleport into bloody boxes and out into the void to attack something |
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| 21:38.24 | Maldivia | tried in like ironforge, and make it go from one side to the other? |
| 21:39.11 | Maldivia | to test that the dummies are actually far enough away from eachoher? |
| 21:39.23 | Maldivia | depending on your faction ofcourse |
| 21:39.58 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.24 | Maldivia | yeah ok, they should be far enough away from eachother.... |
| 21:40.26 | Semlar | it will run aaaaaalll the way from the raid target dummy to the one on the other side |
| 21:40.35 | Semlar | it WILL not cast blink strikes |
| 21:40.53 | Semlar | unless i tell the pet to come to me on passive and then attack a dumym |
| 21:40.55 | Semlar | dummy |
| 21:41.10 | Semlar | it better not be doing this in normal raid combat |
| 21:41.16 | Semlar | because this is clearly bugged |
| 21:41.57 | Semlar | if it won't cast blink strikes outside of losing its target that is an issue |
| 21:42.18 | Maldivia | hmm, perhaps it's an issue with non-aggressive targets? |
| 21:43.07 | Semlar | that would be very difficult for me to test alone |
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| 21:44.00 | Semlar | i'd need to be in combat with two targets with enough distance between them to trigger blink strikes |
| 21:44.27 | Maldivia | dual another hunter/lock and have them stand still with 20yd between player and pet? |
| 21:45.41 | Semlar | as far as i can tell blink strikes is built into bite once you've specced into it |
| 21:46.03 | Semlar | but has a minimum range and cooldown you can't actually track |
| 21:46.51 | Semlar | i was trying to write something to track it but can't get blink strikes to trigger unless the pet is going from having no target to having a new target |
| 21:47.28 | Semlar | that might actually be how they coded blink strikes to work |
| 21:49.45 | Semlar | i'll need to go find some mobs with enough health that i won't accidentally kill them |
| 21:50.33 | Maldivia | hmm, what about the statues kun-lai? |
| 21:51.09 | Maldivia | NE of westwind summit |
| 21:53.12 | Semlar | alright it will cast blink strikes if i tell it to go from a mob it's already attacking to one i'm not in combat with so i think it's just broken with target dummies or has pathing issues there |
| 21:53.55 | Semlar | ehh |
| 21:54.31 | Semlar | seems to be a little sporadic |
| 22:00.10 | Semlar | annoyingly "pet-target" doesn't always exist when it casts bite |
| 22:00.21 | Jamash | target dummies are not real targets |
| 22:00.46 | Jamash | you can't generalize anything from them |
| 22:01.00 | Semlar | yeah i'm just using real mobs now |
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| 22:10.33 | Kodiack | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/11224302979#3 |
| 22:10.38 | Kodiack | whoops |
| 22:10.41 | Kodiack | wrong channel |
| 22:12.27 | VIad | hmm, is the C-side assigning values to WorldMapFrame.petMinLevel ? |
| 22:12.47 | VIad | maybe not |
| 22:12.53 | VIad | but the WorldMapFrameAreaPetLevels isn't set by the world map frame :/ |
| 22:13.33 | VIad | hooked WorldMapFrameAreaPetLevels's SetText and it spams :P |
| 22:14.01 | VIad | ah because it clears it each frame |
| 22:14.11 | VIad | but setting happens from C I think |
| 22:23.05 | VIad | sigh trying to programatically extract pet level ranges from the map |
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| 22:40.36 | jleclanche | MY GOD |
| 22:40.37 | jleclanche | IT WORKS |
| 22:42.16 | jleclanche | https://github.com/Adys/python-xdg/commit/52c938c221be066729715bba2bb4d009c121bd5c |
| 22:42.17 | jleclanche | https://github.com/Adys/flipper/commit/5e0c375d6909942055051cd48ee575189a6644c3 |
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| 22:42.44 | jleclanche | Maldivia: six and something years and i finally get this done |
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| 22:42.55 | jleclanche | not that it was complicated or anything |
| 22:42.57 | jleclanche | but DAMN |
| 22:44.51 | Arrowmaster | whats flipper |
| 22:45.01 | Gnarfoz | a Dolphin |
| 22:45.05 | Dagmar | hehe |
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| 22:54.13 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: thats the joke =/ |
| 22:54.23 | Gnarfoz | really? |
| 22:54.25 | Gnarfoz | what IS it |
| 22:54.27 | jleclanche | flipper was a file manager i wrote based on Dolphin |
| 22:54.33 | Gnarfoz | I see :D |
| 22:54.34 | jleclanche | im using it as a demo program |
| 22:54.43 | Gnarfoz | cool |
| 22:56.58 | Stanzilla | good job jleclanche |
| 22:57.09 | jleclanche | damn good bloody good damn good job |
| 23:00.57 | Kaylin | Sorry I was busy this morning, did I miss any good discussions on net neutrality, at least ones that weren't filtered out? |
| 23:02.07 | Arrowmaster | not that i know of in here |
| 23:03.44 | Arrowmaster | talk on reddit was that now the FCC can only either let it happen or reclassify ISPs and make them subject to common carrier rules |
| 23:10.57 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: oh there was a lot of talk going on, must be your ISP! ;p |
| 23:11.59 | Stanzilla | anyone in here use that? http://finalterm.org/ |
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| 23:19.59 | Neffi | Stanzilla: that looks really cool |
| 23:20.49 | Stanzilla | yeah I had it in my bookmarks and wondered if I should keep it :D |
| 23:21.11 | Neffi | I bookmarked it and definitely a,m |
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