| 00:01.39 | Iriel | The plus side to NAS is that I can put it in another room since there's some ethernet run |
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| 00:25.41 | VIad | I'd like a NAS but I'd like to host teamspeak on it, problem then is that most NAS use custom OS that can't host teamspeak that well - so I might as well buy a computer in parts and a small cabinet - but it won't be as small as most NAS :< |
| 00:28.43 | karl_w_w | sounds like a job for raspberry pie |
| 00:28.49 | karl_w_w | pi |
| 00:28.56 | karl_w_w | pie is tastier though |
| 00:29.00 | karl_w_w | so your choice |
| 00:29.10 | VIad | not sure if ts3 server can run on arm |
| 00:29.14 | VIad | isn't pi arm? |
| 00:32.06 | Dagmar | afaik |
| 00:32.56 | karl_w_w | seems it doesn't run, no |
| 00:33.13 | VIad | many nas also use arm |
| 00:33.19 | karl_w_w | I'm amazed people still use teamspeak |
| 00:33.57 | VIad | why karl_w_w? |
| 00:34.49 | karl_w_w | because mumble and vent |
| 00:34.55 | Dagmar | Exactly |
| 00:34.58 | VIad | I am surprised people still use ventrilo |
| 00:35.09 | Stanzilla | ts3 > mumble |
| 00:35.20 | Dagmar | Maybe if you're really high |
| 00:35.32 | karl_w_w | also, teamspeak has always been the choice of FPS players, and these days FPS games universally have build in voice chat |
| 00:35.36 | VIad | I like ts3 and mumble, but ventrilo is certainly below these two in terms of a lot of things :P |
| 00:36.46 | VIad | ts3 was coded a couple of years ago |
| 00:36.48 | karl_w_w | mumble is better than everything |
| 00:37.00 | karl_w_w | because the latency is lower |
| 00:37.22 | VIad | mumble is open source, but ts3 is being more actively worked on since there is market interests involved pushing for development |
| 00:37.27 | VIad | ventrilo is dead since 2007 :P |
| 00:37.54 | VIad | ventrilo 3 was the last version to come out and you can't host yourself unless 8 slots is enough |
| 00:38.05 | karl_w_w | ventrilo is stable* |
| 00:38.46 | VIad | imo can't say ts3 or mumble is any less stable than ventrilo :P |
| 00:39.03 | Iriel | I think he means "stable" from a development perspective |
| 00:39.20 | Iriel | It has achieved feature completeness, and thus doesn't HAVE to be developed any more |
| 00:39.26 | karl_w_w | the problem with ts3 is the interface |
| 00:39.52 | karl_w_w | it's got a certain internet explorer 4 feel to it |
| 00:42.19 | VIad | I just know if you wish to host for yourself ventrilo is limited, the good alternatives are mumble and ts3 :) |
| 00:46.07 | Shirik | ts's interface is terrible |
| 00:46.10 | Shirik | he's right |
| 00:46.26 | Shirik | I still like ventrilo |
| 00:46.58 | VIad | judging a book by it's cover ;) |
| 00:47.04 | VIad | it's/its |
| 00:50.09 | Shirik | that's not really its cover |
| 00:50.12 | Shirik | that's kinda its functionality |
| 00:50.32 | Shirik | My goal with voice software is not to experience the software |
| 00:50.38 | Shirik | I want it to get the hell out of my way and let me talk to people |
| 00:50.46 | Shirik | just let me do that |
| 00:51.05 | VIad | apple syndrome ;) |
| 00:51.12 | Shirik | uh, no, intelligent software syndrome |
| 00:51.17 | Shirik | users don't want to use software |
| 00:51.20 | Shirik | they want to accomplish a task |
| 00:51.25 | Shirik | let me do that task and I will be happy |
| 00:51.42 | VIad | tbh mumble and ts3 interfaces aren't that different |
| 00:51.50 | Shirik | I haven't used mumble at all so I can't speak to it |
| 00:52.37 | Shirik | no pun intended |
| 00:52.45 | VIad | you should give them a proper go |
| 00:53.12 | VIad | getting used to the interface takes some uses, and don't get scared by too many options :p |
| 00:57.05 | VIad | does QNAP ring any bells? |
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| 01:00.50 | VIad | http://www.qnap.com/useng/index.php?lang=en-us&sn=862&c=355&sc=526&t=694&n=12501 |
| 01:01.54 | VIad | it's small, uses atom 2.13ghz, 1gb ram (up to 3) and it's x86 |
| 01:08.14 | Primer | mumble > * |
| 01:08.30 | Primer | for more reasons that the fact that it's open source and unlimited in the number of users |
| 01:08.48 | Primer | The sound equalization is far superior than any of the others |
| 01:09.15 | Primer | You never have to tell people to "turn up their outbound" with mumble |
| 01:12.52 | VIad | aww... |
| 01:12.59 | VIad | I wanna buy a raspberry pi case from amazon |
| 01:13.14 | VIad | but the fuckers tell me I can't buy a plastic dongle because they don't ship to norway... |
| 01:18.11 | Stanzilla | mumble's UI is so bad |
| 01:18.19 | VIad | fun when the product costs three times less than shipping :P |
| 01:18.30 | VIad | still 20 bucks in total isn't bad from US to norway |
| 02:00.30 | karl_w_w | interfaces go vent > mumble > ts, quality goes mumble > ts = vent, latency goes mumble > ts > vent, cost goes mumble > ts > vent, popularity goes vent =(?) ts > mumble |
| 02:00.37 | karl_w_w | cos people are retarded |
| 02:01.20 | karl_w_w | .:Primer:. You never have to tell people to "turn up their outbound" with mumble <- vent can be set up to equalize just fine, and I imagine TS can as well |
| 02:03.17 | haste | mumble would benefit a lot from a better UI |
| 02:04.36 | haste | VIad: buying it in norway isn't that much more expensive (rpi) |
| 02:05.13 | Semlar | there are a few people who use mumble in my guild who are extremely quiet |
| 02:05.28 | VIad | haste: I just bought a CASE for it |
| 02:05.50 | VIad | already got the rbi. and also I couldn't find any rbi cases being sold in norwegian shops >.< |
| 02:05.51 | Semlar | so it definitely doesn't just equalize the volume |
| 02:06.02 | haste | VIad: dustinhome has a couple at least |
| 02:06.32 | VIad | hmm |
| 02:06.36 | VIad | weird that I didn't find it earlier |
| 02:06.42 | VIad | oh well, the price isn't that bad still |
| 02:07.00 | haste | dustin has a set shipping cost as well |
| 02:07.34 | haste | VIad: komplett has as well |
| 02:08.07 | VIad | but the case I bought has nice status display on top for the lights :3 |
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| 02:21.04 | VIad | haste: why up so late? :P |
| 02:21.07 | karl_w_w | i just realised |
| 02:21.24 | karl_w_w | i made my euro truck sim2 character years before i saw breaking bad |
| 02:21.37 | karl_w_w | but the character looks almost exactly like walter white |
| 02:22.31 | haste | VIad: watched some mentalist episodes, then started looking for a local issue tracker |
| 02:23.21 | VIad | we norwegians have to perserve our strength now that hibernation season is upon us |
| 02:24.23 | haste | lies |
| 02:32.37 | VIad | going back to my cave for some more rest |
| 02:32.42 | VIad | see you later :) |
| 02:34.17 | Neffi | <jleclanche> I will give a fucking medal to anyone who is actually able to figure this bug out <- aren't they ditching GTK very soon? |
| 02:34.45 | Neffi | http://www.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/aura |
| 02:48.35 | Semlar | neffiiii |
| 02:50.57 | Neffi | semlarrrr |
| 02:52.10 | Neffi | what be you doin'? arggh |
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| 02:55.22 | Semlar | nothin |
| 02:55.54 | Neffi | sounds boring |
| 02:56.26 | Semlar | i'm watching a korean drama about a police detective who can see ghosts |
| 02:57.00 | Neffi | O.o |
| 02:57.30 | Neffi | I bet you wish you were having as much fun as I am |
| 02:57.45 | Semlar | most of the time she's just putting herself in situations where she needs to be rescued by someone |
| 02:57.47 | Neffi | I'm reading a paper on Lua's implementation of closures and upvalues |
| 02:58.09 | Semlar | oh yes quite jelly |
| 02:58.13 | Neffi | Sounds like your typical drama with 1-dimensional writing |
| 02:58.23 | Neffi | it's interesting: http://www.cs.tufts.edu/~nr/cs257/archive/roberto-ierusalimschy/closures-draft.pdf |
| 02:58.57 | Semlar | i think we have different definitions for interesting |
| 02:59.28 | Neffi | Meh. I like software architecture. |
| 02:59.30 | Semlar | ANYWAY SHE WAS IN A COMA FOR 6 YEARS AND WHEN SHE WOKE UP SHE COULD SEE GHOSTS |
| 02:59.49 | Neffi | Sounds like she's still in a coma |
| 03:00.03 | Neffi | Wait, did I just ruin the finale for you? |
| 03:00.14 | Semlar | no because hulu decided to play the last episode first |
| 03:00.21 | Semlar | so |
| 03:00.45 | Semlar | i already ruined it for me |
| 03:01.05 | Neffi | I hate Hulu |
| 03:01.25 | Semlar | i did think it was a little weird that they kept introducing characters like i was expected to keep track of all these people |
| 03:01.34 | Neffi | It tries really hard to be awesome but it's just kinda, "bleh Netflix does it better" |
| 03:01.56 | Semlar | TOO BAD NETFLIX DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING |
| 03:02.30 | Semlar | oh yeah and her boyfriend's a ghost too |
| 03:02.37 | Neffi | lol |
| 03:02.46 | Mr_Rabies | ima ghost |
| 03:02.49 | Mr_Rabies | u wna fite |
| 03:02.53 | Semlar | no |
| 03:02.56 | Mr_Rabies | ok |
| 03:02.57 | Neffi | I wonder how that works out.. mechanically |
| 03:03.05 | Semlar | he can't talk to her though |
| 03:03.17 | Mr_Rabies | how does k-drama compare to j-drama on average |
| 03:03.23 | Semlar | he mostly just walks around and stares blankly |
| 03:03.28 | Neffi | So he's not really her boyfriend. She's just crazy and delusional. |
| 03:03.29 | znf | Stanzilla, I use imgur :P |
| 03:03.32 | Neffi | And stalkerish |
| 03:03.36 | Mr_Rabies | j-drama is generally overacted as all hell and mostly on par with like, soap operas |
| 03:03.37 | Semlar | THERE'S J DRAMA? |
| 03:03.39 | znf | oh, crazy stalkish boyfriends? |
| 03:03.41 | znf | talk! |
| 03:03.54 | znf | (also, hello there, I woke up at 5am, IE: now!) |
| 03:04.05 | Neffi | silly znf, it's 10 PM |
| 03:04.19 | Semlar | i don't know but my favorite show of all times is a k drama about a lawyer who's a vampire |
| 03:04.31 | Semlar | it's pure gold |
| 03:04.42 | Mr_Rabies | other than takashi miike movies and the classics like kurosawa i have a hard time with japanese live-action stuff for some reason |
| 03:04.45 | znf | Neffi, you're in the wrong timezone! |
| 03:04.55 | Neffi | I think you need to retake chem 101, Semlar. Because you've got your elements mixed up. |
| 03:05.09 | Neffi | znf: no, you're in the wrong timezone! Back me up here, Semlar. |
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| 03:05.34 | Semlar | not after those hurtful comments |
| 03:05.42 | Neffi | i'm soz |
| 03:05.45 | Semlar | you better be |
| 03:05.59 | Neffi | snickers behind Semlar's back. |
| 03:06.07 | Semlar | snickers? |
| 03:06.14 | Neffi | it's a candy bar |
| 03:06.26 | Semlar | I KNOW IT'S A CANDY BAR |
| 03:06.43 | Semlar | what are you doing with that |
| 03:06.50 | Neffi | Then your previous statement was ambiguous |
| 03:07.06 | Neffi | I wonder how many things I can possibly be doing with a candy bar |
| 03:07.15 | Neffi | continues snickering. |
| 03:07.21 | Semlar | stop that |
| 03:07.26 | Neffi | ok |
| 03:07.30 | Semlar | it's unhygenic |
| 03:07.35 | Neffi | lol |
| 03:10.15 | Mr_Rabies | one of the first live action japanese things i've really enjoyed has been kamen rider fourze so far, that show's totally nuts |
| 03:10.42 | Semlar | well you said it was japanese |
| 03:12.17 | Mr_Rabies | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abq-dbblmaY |
| 03:12.32 | Mr_Rabies | basically the only tokusatsu show that i've been able to get into |
| 03:12.58 | Semlar | power rangers |
| 03:14.12 | Semlar | this seems really short for an episode |
| 03:14.19 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 03:14.45 | Mr_Rabies | it's just the transformation sequence from episode 13 :p |
| 03:17.21 | Mr_Rabies | oh man, space dandy in an hour and 15 |
| 03:17.24 | Mr_Rabies | i can't wait |
| 03:20.37 | Semlar | the korean dramas are nothing like this |
| 03:22.19 | kd3|hate`net | really hopes space dandy lives up to the hype |
| 03:22.28 | kd3 | the early preview was good |
| 03:22.46 | Mr_Rabies | regular japanese tv is nothing like that, even most tokusatsu isn't |
| 03:23.19 | Mr_Rabies | i literally can't find a single clip on youtube, thanks ContentID |
| 03:23.46 | Dagmar | It's easier to encode more DRM into shrill asian voice actresses |
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| 03:37.32 | karl_w_w | http://goo.gl/maps/vVu30 go backwards 1 space -> mind=blown |
| 03:38.18 | Neffi | wait how |
| 03:39.04 | Neffi | oh, turn around |
| 03:39.08 | Ressy | 2 cameras |
| 03:40.51 | Semlar | what's supposed to be mind blowing |
| 03:41.20 | Semlar | that there's another streetview car? |
| 03:42.13 | karl_w_w | that the car behind disappears! |
| 03:43.14 | Semlar | it went around! |
| 03:44.45 | Semlar | what is this quarantine checkpoint |
| 03:45.00 | Semlar | some sort of zombie apocalypse in australia? |
| 03:45.04 | Iriel | There are 2 cars - there's no guarantee that all of the pictures are from the SAME car. |
| 03:45.16 | Dagmar | Yes, but they're way on the other side of the world so there's no need to worry |
| 03:47.41 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.52 | Semlar | blur blur |
| 03:48.37 | karl_w_w | what are we looking at? |
| 03:50.05 | Semlar | FRUIT VEGETABLSE PLANTS SEEDS SOIL HONEY BIRDS AND ANIMALS MUST BE DECLARED |
| 03:50.28 | Semlar | that means you neffi |
| 03:51.18 | Neffi | I'm not a fruit! |
| 03:51.36 | Semlar | but you are a vegetable |
| 03:51.51 | Neffi | I don't taste like one |
| 03:51.56 | Semlar | you don't know that |
| 03:52.15 | Neffi | licks himself. |
| 03:52.23 | Neffi | I'm pretty sure I don't taste like a vegetable |
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| 03:53.16 | karl_w_w | I bet you do Neffi |
| 03:53.37 | Neffi | you're welcome to taste for yourself |
| 03:54.07 | karl_w_w | I'd also have to taste all the vegetables |
| 03:54.24 | Neffi | No you wouldn't |
| 03:54.42 | Neffi | If I'm a vegetable, I don't necessarily have to taste like any other vegetable. |
| 03:55.08 | Neffi | But there's probably some telltale signals in the taste signature denoting vegetable |
| 04:09.18 | Semlar | i don't know about that |
| 04:21.46 | karl_w_w | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baarle-Nassau#The_border_with_Baarle-Hertog.2C_Belgium <- when spastics draw borders |
| 04:22.09 | Semlar | borders separate people |
| 04:23.18 | Neffi | lua> return ( true and true ) |
| 04:23.18 | lua_bot | Neffi: true |
| 04:24.57 | Amarande | karl: heh, what'd they do, hire American Republican gerrymanderers to draw the border? :) |
| 04:25.27 | Amarande | The US doesn't have anything quite that bad ON THE SURFACE |
| 04:25.37 | Amarande | but if you look at some of the Congressional districts in this country, some of them are almost as bad heh |
| 04:25.44 | Semlar | that's because we own everything |
| 04:29.14 | Neffi | You guys think this is "bad"? http://pastebin.com/vQwXNGYF |
| 04:30.53 | Neffi | It's like 3 times slower than manually doing the comparison against type() and manually throwing the error every time, but it also saves a lot of boilerplate code |
| 04:32.22 | Neffi | It feels weird to execute :find() 2-4 times on every API call |
| 04:42.14 | Neffi | ~framexml |
| 04:42.14 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml . |
| 04:42.52 | Shirik | I don't like it Neffi |
| 04:42.54 | Shirik | why not make it a vararg |
| 04:43.15 | Neffi | Because then I have to loop it with select, and that's not much faster |
| 04:44.03 | Shirik | actually it probably is |
| 04:44.09 | Shirik | because then you can do direct string equality |
| 04:44.16 | Shirik | calling find() requires string manipulation |
| 04:44.25 | Shirik | string equality is as fast as a 32-bit int comparison |
| 04:45.11 | Neffi | Alright, I'll switch it |
| 04:45.40 | Shirik | for find() it will also have to recompile the pattern every time even though it's not changing which sucks |
| 04:46.19 | Neffi | I didn't know that |
| 04:46.22 | Dagmar | They don't have a way to cache that? |
| 04:46.29 | Neffi | I did very rudimentary tests |
| 04:47.10 | Dagmar | Even perl finally added /x becuase the alternative read like stero instructions |
| 04:50.26 | Neffi | lua> return table.concat({'string','number'},'/'), table.concat({'string'},'/') |
| 04:50.27 | lua_bot | Neffi: string/number, string |
| 04:53.47 | Neffi | Does anyone maintain up-to-date syntax highlighting for WoW's API for Notepad++? |
| 04:54.07 | Shirik | you know that would be pretty trivial to automate |
| 04:54.11 | Shirik | if it's not already done |
| 04:54.29 | Neffi | Yeah it would be, but I figured I'd ask first |
| 04:59.14 | Semlar | neffi |
| 04:59.30 | Semlar | you know i'm a genius right |
| 05:00.03 | Neffi | You work for Apple? |
| 05:00.09 | Semlar | NO I DON'T WORK FOR APPLE |
| 05:00.24 | Semlar | i figured out a way to resize the nameplates |
| 05:00.42 | Neffi | How? |
| 05:00.50 | Semlar | guess |
| 05:01.22 | Neffi | :SetHeight(n) |
| 05:01.38 | Semlar | WorldFrame:SetScale |
| 05:02.26 | Neffi | you're gonna break something |
| 05:02.31 | Semlar | one can only hope |
| 05:02.43 | Neffi | Probably not anything in the default game, but in other addons |
| 05:02.53 | Semlar | if i do it's their own fault for making ui elements children of the world frame |
| 05:02.53 | Neffi | Also, you can't :SetScale() protected frames in combat |
| 05:03.02 | Neffi | But that would ensure your out-of-combat changes stick |
| 05:03.05 | Semlar | no but it only ever needs to be called once |
| 05:03.24 | Semlar | every nameplate is a child of the worldframe so they all get scaled |
| 05:03.50 | Semlar | anyway, it's perfect |
| 05:04.09 | Semlar | i can position my nameplates and make it so you can't click on them |
| 05:05.07 | Semlar | it's not like anyone else is going to be using them anyway |
| 05:06.02 | Semlar | can you set the scale of a protected frame in response to a key press? |
| 05:06.46 | Semlar | or can it just never be changed in combat |
| 05:07.19 | Semlar | it would be nice if i could hold a key to set it back to normal |
| 05:07.21 | Neffi | Are you sure it works? |
| 05:07.33 | Neffi | Maybe nameplate positioning breaks with a non-1 scale |
| 05:07.42 | Semlar | it definitely works |
| 05:07.59 | Semlar | the nameplates readjust their position |
| 05:08.33 | Semlar | you can just type /run WorldFrame:SetScale(0.5) and move your camera and they all go back to their units |
| 05:08.33 | Neffi | Listing of every WoW API function, delimited by a single space, is 56664 characters long |
| 05:08.49 | Neffi | I wonder if this will slow NP++ down |
| 05:10.10 | Semlar | changing the attributes of the world frame has all kinds of interesting effects on the nameplates while doing absolutely nothing to the worldframe itself |
| 05:10.42 | Semlar | like you can set the alpha to 0 |
| 05:13.39 | Semlar | neffi the knees are wearing out of my pants |
| 05:13.50 | Neffi | LOL |
| 05:13.53 | Semlar | :( |
| 05:13.56 | Neffi | nasty |
| 05:14.04 | Semlar | :l |
| 05:15.05 | Semlar | this is still a better solution than toggling them on and off like mad |
| 05:15.18 | Semlar | that was a horrible plan |
| 05:16.37 | Primer | karl_w_w: except with mumble it's like that out of the box. Ever since my guild switched to mumble (I run the server), I've never heard of complaints about audio |
| 05:17.31 | Primer | whereas when pugging and having to use vent or TS, it's noticeably horrible |
| 05:20.33 | znf | Anyone happens to know of a online file manager? Something server-side with a pretty guy that supports html5 and other goodyness as of today's web standards? It seems I can't really find a decent one |
| 05:28.16 | Primer | pretty guy, eh |
| 05:29.31 | znf | GUI |
| 05:29.33 | znf | >_< |
| 05:29.56 | znf | I found one called Filecharger, but it's buggy as hell |
| 05:30.13 | znf | Anything else I found so far is just completely outdated or doesn't have a user manager :( |
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| 05:32.31 | karl_w_w | znf has pretty guys on the mind |
| 05:32.34 | Shirik|Ghost | welp |
| 05:32.37 | Shirik|Ghost | linode just took a shit |
| 05:32.57 | znf | Shirik|Ghost, my linide is up? |
| 05:32.59 | znf | linode |
| 05:33.12 | Shirik|Ghost | I can't even get to linode.com |
| 05:33.14 | Shirik|Ghost | much less my server |
| 05:33.16 | karl_w_w | looks like Shirik isnt the only one |
| 05:33.31 | znf | website is not working, indeed |
| 05:33.35 | znf | but my VPS is |
| 05:33.47 | Shirik|Ghost | all my ssh connections just blew up and Quassel disconnected :( |
| 05:33.56 | znf | what data-center? |
| 05:34.00 | znf | I'm on UK |
| 05:34.02 | Shirik|Ghost | dallas um |
| 05:34.04 | Shirik|Ghost | dallas something |
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| 05:35.59 | karl_w_w | linode.com works for me |
| 05:37.17 | Shirik | back up it seems |
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| 05:37.40 | Shirik | must have been a router failure or something |
| 05:38.05 | Semlar | neffi |
| 05:38.31 | Semlar | the fstack tooltip might be a child of worldframe |
| 05:40.15 | Semlar | mebe i'll just counterscale every nonprotected child |
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| 05:50.58 | Neffi | Or just :SetParent(UIParent) |
| 05:59.51 | Neffi | awesome |
| 06:00.09 | Neffi | Filled in all the gaps in the stock Lua API, and added every one of WoW's global and widget APIs |
| 06:00.23 | Neffi | Lua files for addons look very colorful now |
| 06:08.55 | Torhal | Neffi: Hmm? |
| 06:09.21 | Neffi | Notepad++ syntax highlighting for WoW Lua |
| 06:09.28 | Torhal | Ah |
| 06:10.51 | Shirik | so TIL there are actually residential DNS servers that are respecting dnssec! |
| 06:11.09 | Shirik | Apparently some people haven't been able to get to my server for a week or so, and it was because my dnssec signature had expired |
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| 06:11.23 | Shirik | weird part: it was comcast |
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| 06:22.28 | znf | I think I'm gonna smash my monitor to pieces :-| |
| 06:26.05 | Semlar | syntax colors neffi |
| 06:26.21 | Neffi | I feel fabulous now. Thanks, Semlar. |
| 06:26.30 | Semlar | you look fabulous |
| 06:27.57 | Semlar | well, i successfully managed to get it to unscale while holding a modifier but it doesn't always update the nameplate positions until you move the camera and that leads to horrible results |
| 06:28.01 | Neffi | how I feel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtMv6V7ZvmE |
| 06:28.28 | Neffi | So set it once early in the startup process (before the screen is drawed) and leave it |
| 06:28.43 | Semlar | yeah yeah i just wanted to make it so i could disable it while holding shift |
| 06:29.12 | Semlar | on the off chance i wanted to click on something |
| 06:29.37 | Semlar | maybe i can find a way to force their positions to update, i didn't have any luck setting the toggle nameplate cvars |
| 06:29.47 | Semlar | maybe if i delayed it a frame |
| 06:30.08 | Neffi | Is it still possible to move the camera from insecure code? I believe it is |
| 06:30.22 | Semlar | i think you can |
| 06:30.48 | Semlar | i don't know if i can set it to its current position |
| 06:30.50 | Neffi | Change the camera angle, and then change it back, so the player doesn't see |
| 06:31.07 | Neffi | Or move it very, very slightly, so the player doesnt notice |
| 06:31.22 | Semlar | well i can't get its position so i dunno if i can do that |
| 06:34.09 | Semlar | it's hard to say if this worked or not |
| 06:34.18 | Semlar | it doesn't always break |
| 06:34.38 | Neffi | Does it break more than 1% of the time? |
| 06:34.48 | Semlar | i just called MoveViewInStart() MoveViewInStop() which shouldn't actually move the camera at all |
| 06:35.08 | Semlar | so i'd be surprised if that actually worked |
| 06:35.20 | Semlar | but i can't get it to break |
| 06:35.33 | Neffi | You could wait until the very next OnUpdate cycle/screen frame to call Stop() |
| 06:35.38 | Semlar | so for now it's fixed forever |
| 06:36.37 | Semlar | in fact i'm pretty sure i can make it so only enemy nameplates become clickable when i hold this |
| 06:37.04 | Semlar | the secure state handler thing lets me just loop over all of the nameplates and set their scales individually.. |
| 06:37.21 | Neffi | wait, really? |
| 06:37.25 | Semlar | yeah.. |
| 06:37.39 | Neffi | Never used secure state stuff |
| 06:37.47 | Neffi | Why didn't you just use that then? |
| 06:37.58 | Semlar | it's only when i'm holding a key |
| 06:38.29 | Neffi | ic |
| 06:39.04 | Semlar | i need my nameplates to be unclickable by default so i can go around clicking soulwells and such and then if i want to click on a nameplate i can hold a modifier |
| 06:39.43 | Semlar | even better i don't have to return them to their original size so i can keep their clickable size slightly smaller than normal |
| 06:40.21 | Semlar | the normal clickable area for nameplates is absurdly large |
| 06:40.50 | Semlar | it's like 140x40 |
| 06:41.35 | Neffi | unscaled 140x40. It is ridiculous |
| 06:42.09 | Semlar | so much overlap |
| 06:42.16 | Semlar | so hard to click things |
| 06:42.20 | Neffi | http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/6896020_460s_v1.jpg |
| 06:42.45 | Neffi | ~seen bluspacecow |
| 06:42.49 | purl | bluspacecow <~bluspacec@121.99.114.238> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 19d 16h 38m 49s ago, saying: '\o'. |
| 06:42.58 | Semlar | MIA |
| 06:43.15 | Neffi | :| |
| 06:43.26 | Semlar | sounds like he might have gotten shipped off to the space meat packing plant |
| 06:43.32 | Neffi | mebe |
| 06:43.55 | Neffi | hey semlar. I have a bag of Red Lobster biscuits. u jelly? |
| 06:44.06 | Semlar | cheddar bay biscuits? |
| 06:44.11 | Neffi | mhmm |
| 06:44.28 | Neffi | Told the waiter as I was leaving that I wanted as many as he could give me to take home |
| 06:44.32 | Semlar | oh yeah well i have an empty refrigerator |
| 06:44.39 | Neffi | :( |
| 06:44.39 | Semlar | so |
| 06:45.00 | Semlar | actually i have about a half a gallon of milk |
| 06:45.06 | Semlar | and some eggs |
| 06:45.27 | Semlar | i should probably go to the store |
| 06:45.30 | Neffi | If I owned an Amazon drone, I would send you my biscuits |
| 06:45.55 | Semlar | i'm not sure if they would make that flight |
| 06:46.08 | Neffi | probably not |
| 06:59.41 | Semlar | meh, moving the camera works but it's definitely noticable |
| 06:59.55 | Neffi | Even a 1 frame nudge? |
| 07:07.15 | Semlar | yeah |
| 07:08.07 | Semlar | i think i found a solution though |
| 07:08.43 | Semlar | FlipCameraYaw seems to accept fractions and very small numbers still seem to work |
| 07:09.30 | Semlar | there is a limit and i'm not sure what it is |
| 07:09.35 | Semlar | it's somewhere between 0.01 and 0.001 |
| 07:10.04 | Semlar | 0.01 is pretty unnoticeable though |
| 07:11.42 | Semlar | you can tell the plates move slightly if you're watching for it but it's pretty minimal |
| 07:12.07 | Semlar | man this is really hacky |
| 07:12.32 | Semlar | neffi why did you talk me into this |
| 07:13.41 | Neffi | iunno |
| 07:13.52 | Neffi | Why do you listen to me? |
| 07:14.55 | Semlar | all things considered it works pretty well |
| 07:15.20 | Semlar | now i just need to make sure it doesn't break every other child of the world frame |
| 07:15.39 | Neffi | it prolly will |
| 07:15.57 | Semlar | well yeah but that's why i need to counter the scaling |
| 07:17.46 | Semlar | this does seem to make the scrolling combat text vanish |
| 07:18.27 | Semlar | pretty sure it's a worldframe child |
| 07:18.55 | Semlar | not the numbers that pop up over their heads but the stuff in the middle of the screen |
| 07:23.11 | Neffi | weird |
| 07:23.17 | Neffi | shouldnt make it vanish |
| 07:23.32 | Semlar | think it's being scaled to nothingness |
| 07:28.29 | karl_w_w | anyone remember the name of a film that has russel crowe in it (I think) about a company or something? :D |
| 07:28.49 | karl_w_w | iirc the company was doing naughty things |
| 07:28.56 | karl_w_w | has all the details |
| 07:31.29 | Semlar | fightin round the world? |
| 07:31.52 | karl_w_w | no :P |
| 07:32.11 | karl_w_w | it's tough trying to find films you saw ~5 minutes of many years ago |
| 07:32.21 | Semlar | do you know what year |
| 07:32.39 | karl_w_w | no |
| 07:32.39 | Semlar | or like anything at all about the movie |
| 07:32.43 | karl_w_w | nope :P |
| 07:32.50 | karl_w_w | i remember a dramatic scene in an office |
| 07:32.52 | Semlar | then why are you trying to find it |
| 07:33.06 | karl_w_w | your typical omg shred the paperwork type of thing |
| 07:33.13 | karl_w_w | because it looked interesting |
| 07:33.23 | Semlar | any idea on the decade |
| 07:33.57 | karl_w_w | well it was on tv a good few years ago |
| 07:34.08 | karl_w_w | so i would imagine early 2000s or later 90s |
| 07:34.15 | Semlar | gladiator |
| 07:34.20 | karl_w_w | hah |
| 07:35.01 | Semlar | so not robin hood then |
| 07:35.13 | karl_w_w | it's not the insider either |
| 07:35.19 | karl_w_w | had to watch the trailer to work that out |
| 07:35.37 | Semlar | how about NO WAY BACK |
| 07:35.40 | Semlar | which i've never even heard of |
| 07:36.13 | karl_w_w | it seems to be a foo fighters song |
| 07:36.26 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:36.33 | karl_w_w | or a 95 film |
| 07:37.07 | karl_w_w | nah |
| 07:37.13 | Semlar | they probably shred papers at some point |
| 07:37.53 | Semlar | i give up |
| 07:38.33 | karl_w_w | maybe it wasn't crowe :P |
| 07:39.16 | Neffi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Crowe_filmography |
| 07:40.43 | Mr_Rabies | welp space dandy was amazing, kd3 |
| 07:42.17 | Semlar | neffi i think the combat text is setting its point relative to the worldframe but isn't a child |
| 07:42.29 | Semlar | and apparently it's affected by the scale |
| 07:42.33 | karl_w_w | yeah been through them Neffi, none of them |
| 07:42.40 | Neffi | weird |
| 07:42.58 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.15 | karl_w_w | I guess it wasn't crowe, but it was a similar sort of actor where it was unusual for him to be in that kind of film |
| 07:44.40 | Neffi | ok time i need to sleep semlar. ill help tomorrow |
| 07:44.42 | Semlar | alright neffi all i have to do is hook SetPoint in the metatable.. |
| 07:44.48 | Semlar | >_> |
| 07:44.56 | Neffi | don't hook inside the metatable |
| 07:44.59 | Neffi | crazy mofo |
| 07:45.11 | Neffi | hook on the frame |
| 07:45.25 | Semlar | but i don't know the frame |
| 07:45.41 | Semlar | since it isn't a child any frame could be setting its point relative to the worldframe |
| 07:45.48 | Neffi | if you hook inside the metatable, you will probably taint everything in existence |
| 07:46.11 | Neffi | ok. i cant keep my eyes open anymore. nite |
| 07:46.16 | karl_w_w | you'll taint it so hard your grandkids will be throwing errors |
| 07:46.21 | Semlar | well i can posthook it from the metatable |
| 07:46.31 | Semlar | i just need to watch for the call |
| 07:46.51 | Semlar | i don't really want to watch every SetPoint call |
| 07:47.39 | Semlar | oh oh |
| 07:47.41 | Semlar | WHAT IF |
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| 07:47.52 | Semlar | i create a NEW global WorldFrame |
| 07:48.05 | Semlar | yes this won't cause any issues at all |
| 07:51.47 | Semlar | on second though maybe i'll just handle everything in the modifier key script |
| 08:01.38 | karl_w_w | it was boiler room |
| 08:01.47 | karl_w_w | I am disappoint, it looks pretty average |
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| 10:24.48 | zenzelezz | "Visual Studio has an integrated FBX viewer and paint program, but doesn't let you resize the properties dialog"... so damn true |
| 10:26.08 | zenzelezz | hm, according to a VC++ dev, they actually finally fixed that in 2013... almost reason enough to upgrade |
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| 12:34.03 | zenzelezz | something fishy is going on with my Windows install it seems... I thought the World of Tanks launcher had messed itself up somehow, since it would start the process, but not display a window... today I noticed that IE has the same problem |
| 12:40.41 | karl_w_w | sounds like it has cooties |
| 12:42.05 | zenzelezz | resorting to doing full virus/malware scan :( |
| 12:42.20 | zenzelezz | it's not an old install |
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| 12:54.19 | SinusPi | Hello Rihf. ;) |
| 12:54.26 | Breagha | Hey :D |
| 12:54.57 | Breagha | grins |
| 12:55.08 | Breagha | Confusing :P |
| 13:18.33 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/gallery/ntcjK yay japan? |
| 13:24.41 | zenzelezz | yup, something's definitely fucked my Windows installation. Guess I know what I'll be doing for the rest of the day |
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| 13:38.10 | VIad | hmm... seems like a rooted phone/custom OS isn't so desired by BankID (SIM toolkit related) |
| 13:39.28 | Fisker | murder them |
| 13:40.12 | VIad | I understand that apps can read personal data otherwise not accessible by the person or other apps, on a unrooted phone |
| 13:40.35 | VIad | someone could probably sneak in code to read bankid related data and send it back, something that only works on a rooted phone |
| 13:42.11 | VIad | but I recall that my phone asks when an app requests root |
| 13:42.22 | VIad | so I have to flag it yes/no - shouldn't that be safe enough or? |
| 13:42.47 | VIad | I figured that is the gateway for apps to be more than just regular apps, i.e. any app not asking for root was acting within normal boundaries |
| 13:58.15 | zenzelezz | VIad: can they be certain that just because your phone asks you to verify root access, that everyone's would? |
| 13:59.55 | VIad | ofc - but with phones that do that, is it secure enough? |
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| 14:11.41 | airtonix | lol'd |
| 14:11.42 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6o8x67ApM8#t=74 |
| 14:15.11 | VIad | wait... isn't dayz sold on steam for 24 euro "early access" ? looks like a half-life mod |
| 14:16.05 | airtonix | it's both an Arma2 mod and a Standalone game using Arma3 |
| 14:16.20 | airtonix | or isit Arma2.5 |
| 14:16.44 | airtonix | the mod right now is a lot more fun |
| 14:17.11 | airtonix | eh it's hard to say actually |
| 14:17.29 | airtonix | zombies are so annoying |
| 14:17.41 | VIad | :P |
| 14:17.57 | airtonix | "oh looks like a player at the 600m mark!, better engage my olympic running legs" |
| 14:18.15 | airtonix | "what was that?" |
| 14:18.21 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.29 | karl_w_w | How do you make a gay man fuck a woman? |
| 14:18.38 | karl_w_w | take a dump in her vagina |
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| 14:20.51 | airtonix | sigh karl |
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| 14:21.48 | Fisker | btw VIad |
| 14:21.56 | Fisker | There's a variety of ways to find out if you're rooted |
| 14:22.13 | VIad | I run cyanogenmod 11 |
| 14:22.23 | Fisker | Also root itself is the issue, not whether or not the app is running root |
| 14:22.41 | VIad | it comes with the functionality to allow apps to run at root level, but they must be cleared for it first |
| 14:22.58 | Fisker | yeah |
| 14:23.23 | VIad | I mean I guess they fear malicious apps hijacking data right? |
| 14:23.34 | VIad | if all the apps run at root and can read what they want |
| 14:23.58 | VIad | if someone physically steals my phone they can read the sensitive data regardless of my root, unless I perhaps encrypt the device :P |
| 14:27.01 | Fisker | meanwhile my brain is blowing up |
| 14:27.07 | VIad | why Fisker? |
| 14:27.21 | Fisker | some weird script |
| 14:29.12 | Fisker | damnit |
| 14:31.50 | karl_w_w | what do you call a place where pizzas are made |
| 14:32.38 | Fisker | pizza factory |
| 14:32.42 | Fisker | pizza making establishment |
| 14:33.33 | karl_w_w | pizzeria |
| 14:33.51 | VIad | pizzemporium |
| 14:36.26 | airtonix | wife |
| 14:36.47 | airtonix | pizzamatic 4000? |
| 14:38.39 | Kraps | the place where pizzas are made |
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| 14:39.33 | karl_w_w | the slicery! |
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| 14:51.00 | g0urra | goddamn. I've downloaded way too much manga before |
| 14:51.02 | g0urra | 26.2GB |
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| 15:35.57 | Breagha | Why won't this button budge? xml - http://pastebin.com/k1YDfx8A lua - http://pastebin.com/6RhAsm6C |
| 15:36.29 | Breagha | And yes, I'm very new at this :P |
| 15:37.26 | zenzelezz | "budge"? |
| 15:37.47 | Breagha | I can't drag it :) |
| 15:41.17 | Breagha | Did I put <scripts> in a wrong place? |
| 15:43.04 | zenzelezz | been a while since I used XML, but it looks correct. Did you try placing a message() or something inside the functions to see whether they are actually called? |
| 15:44.09 | Breagha | I haven't been able to make a message print, no... Does print("message") work? |
| 15:45.12 | Breagha | Oh... *slaps forehead* message()... |
| 15:46.36 | zenzelezz | message is a dialog; but I thought there was also print() now... you can at least do DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage() |
| 15:46.53 | Breagha | Thank you :) |
| 15:49.16 | Breagha | Hmm... nothink... I'll fiddle on :) |
| 15:51.11 | zenzelezz | if that didn't work, try placing it in the XML, so you see that it enters those tags |
| 15:51.29 | Breagha | Ah, yeah, thanks ^^ |
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| 15:56.13 | Sintacks | my warlocks are at 515 and 511 ilvls. |
| 15:56.38 | Sintacks | 3d 10h /played 1d 8h at level |
| 15:59.35 | zenzelezz | slowbie |
| 15:59.51 | Sintacks | at least 8 hours of that is siting waiting for LFR queues |
| 16:00.34 | Sintacks | and one of them is using the flex BoA staff from garrosh |
| 16:00.41 | Sintacks | anyway. i go sleep |
| 16:04.42 | Breagha | Hmm... Apparently, <OnMouseDown> doesn't fire at all... :/ |
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| 16:12.14 | zenzelezz | Breagha: in your pastebin it looks like "<script>" has a lower-case S... if that's the same as your file, try capitalizing it |
| 16:12.32 | zenzelezz | *scripts |
| 16:12.41 | Breagha | Oooh, right! |
| 16:15.06 | Breagha | Hmm... not it, either... Though, it's supposed to be capitalized, so nice catch :D - Does the order in the toc file have anything to do with it, do you think? It's got the xml first and lua second? |
| 16:15.27 | zenzelezz | XML should be first IIRC |
| 16:15.59 | Breagha | Ah, so not that either :/ |
| 16:16.25 | zenzelezz | but if it still doesn't work, it sounds like maybe it's set on the wrong object, or something is obstructing it. You could try looking in wow/logs/framexml.log (I think was the file) and see if it gives and errors about your XML |
| 16:17.08 | Breagha | I have swatter installed... it pops up with errors when I screw up... would that catch an error like that? |
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| 16:18.28 | Breagha | Nothing in the log about my addon, but a bunch of other stuff |
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| 16:33.48 | Cide | hi |
| 16:33.55 | Breagha | Hey :) |
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| 16:38.41 | g0urra | hey |
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| 16:43.09 | Breagha | Ah well... giving up for today, I think. Gonna give it some thought in the morning :) |
| 16:43.50 | Breagha | Thanks a lot for all the input, zenzelezz :) |
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| 17:29.45 | Icicle | So I'm getting into baby's first C++ game, is there a good framework to build off of? |
| 17:30.38 | Cide | SFML is pretty popular for 2D |
| 17:31.06 | Icicle | hmm looking for one for 3D |
| 17:31.25 | Cide | ogre, irrlicht, C4, crystalspace |
| 17:31.38 | Icicle | where does DirectX fit in? |
| 17:31.52 | Cide | all of those handle rendering |
| 17:32.16 | Cide | so DirectX is mostly abstracted away |
| 17:32.36 | Cide | most of those are opengl even on windows |
| 17:32.51 | Icicle | hmm kay, does Blizzard/ WoW use one of them, or a custom framework? |
| 17:32.59 | Cide | they have their own rendering engine |
| 17:33.21 | Cide | unity is pretty popular if you want to focus on the game rather than the engine |
| 17:33.38 | Cide | and holds your hand more than the ones I mentioned |
| 17:33.46 | Cide | for better or for worse |
| 17:33.47 | Icicle | ive got some friends working with Unity, it looks cool but I want to get dirty :) |
| 17:35.04 | Stanzilla | blizzard is using unity for hearthstone |
| 18:31.52 | jnwhiteh | is the current toc 50400? |
| 18:35.51 | Stanzilla | yes jnwhiteh |
| 18:37.11 | jnwhiteh | cool, thanks. |
| 18:44.41 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 18:45.19 | Fisker | neeeeeeein |
| 18:45.44 | Stanzilla | doch |
| 18:46.21 | Fisker | I wanted wireless chargers |
| 18:46.22 | Fisker | but noooooooo |
| 18:46.28 | Fisker | you had to be out of stock |
| 18:47.14 | Stanzilla | should have asked me to order them when I told zou thez were in stock |
| 18:47.29 | Fisker | I should've |
| 18:47.40 | Fisker | What were they? |
| 18:47.43 | Fisker | 49,99€? |
| 18:48.07 | Stanzilla | don|t remember |
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| 18:49.37 | Fisker | nevcairiel you have good memory |
| 18:53.20 | Stanzilla | jnwhiteh: can I prevent spotify from p2ping? |
| 18:53.50 | Stanzilla | so far I blocked some stuff with my firewall but there is no easier way, right_ |
| 18:53.55 | Fisker | pls |
| 18:53.57 | Fisker | google all access |
| 18:54.12 | Stanzilla | Fisker: has no desktop client |
| 18:54.19 | Fisker | yeah it does |
| 18:54.22 | Fisker | it's called the INTERNET |
| 18:54.26 | Fisker | also fuck desktop clients |
| 18:54.31 | Stanzilla | I like desktop clients |
| 18:54.36 | Fisker | I think someone made one btw |
| 18:59.53 | jnwhiteh | Stanzilla: no, I don't think so |
| 19:00.00 | jnwhiteh | Stanzilla: you could use the web player |
| 19:00.04 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't have pvp :P |
| 19:00.05 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 19:00.06 | jnwhiteh | p2p |
| 19:00.13 | Stanzilla | yeah I know |
| 19:00.19 | Stanzilla | but I like desktop clients! :D |
| 19:00.35 | jnwhiteh | what about the web client embedded in a desktop container? |
| 19:00.41 | jnwhiteh | i know there's one of those in the wild :P |
| 19:00.46 | Stanzilla | yeah I could try that |
| 19:00.53 | Stanzilla | weird thing is, my firewall rule blocks all access to spotify.exe |
| 19:00.57 | Stanzilla | but it still plays music! |
| 19:01.37 | Stanzilla | but the lag spikes/package loss I had seemed to be gone so that just might be no problem anymore |
| 19:01.40 | Stanzilla | will have to test more |
| 19:01.52 | karl_w_w | http://www.twitch.tv/trumpsc apparently Go is a streamable game now |
| 19:02.01 | Fisker | the web player is kinda weird though jnwhiteh :( |
| 19:02.16 | karl_w_w | highlights Arrowmaster and whoever the other person was |
| 19:02.25 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.29 | Arrowmaster | what? |
| 19:02.45 | karl_w_w | Go stream on twitch :P |
| 19:02.53 | Arrowmaster | karl_w_w: it was Shirik |
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| 19:03.37 | Semlar | it says it returns the number of online toons for a friend |
| 19:04.35 | Arrowmaster | looks like KGS |
| 19:06.02 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.40 | Semlar | so either they're multiboxing or this returns information about people they're playing with but i don't know how they're connected to them |
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| 19:20.02 | Shirik | this is weird |
| 19:20.25 | Shirik | anyone know anything about dnssec? http://dnsviz.net/d/heresiarchguild.com/dnssec/ claims my SOA entry is invalid but everything else is signed fine |
| 19:20.39 | Shirik | but I use a single tool to sign the entire zone I don't see how that could be |
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| 19:56.32 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: http://dnssec-debugger.verisignlabs.com/heresiarchguild.com says all is well, but they don't mention SOA at all |
| 19:59.18 | Shirik | (NEW YORK) -- Visitors to Yahoo.com over the past few days may now have infected computers. Users who clicked on some ads on Yahoo were directed to sites which launched malicious code, which exploits vulnerabilities in Java and installs malware-- ... |
| 19:59.22 | Shirik | well that's nice |
| 19:59.46 | Breagha | Starting to get a little paranoid... |
| 20:00.20 | Gnarfoz | ad networks |
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| 20:00.27 | Breagha | I can't log into WoW without first checking if I have that ugly one that hijacks my account real time... |
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| 20:05.16 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: did you re-sign your zone at some point? |
| 20:05.24 | Shirik | yes |
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| 20:05.44 | Gnarfoz | did you increase the SOA serial before you did? |
| 20:05.47 | Shirik | the old signatures expired so I had to resign it |
| 20:05.49 | Shirik | oh shit |
| 20:05.56 | Shirik | I increased the serial number after I signed it |
| 20:06.03 | Shirik | yup, thanks |
| 20:06.13 | Gnarfoz | \o/ HTH |
| 20:06.32 | Gnarfoz | is this stuff easy? I've never looked into it |
| 20:07.11 | Shirik | it's relatively easy if you understand certificates and the general concept of a trust chain |
| 20:07.26 | Shirik | since it's the same general concept |
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| 20:09.22 | Fisker | nice |
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| 20:13.30 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: Once you've got your keys set up, this is literally all it is: http://pastebin.com/Vv6asiqA |
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| 20:15.53 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: I see - I don't run my own name servers currently, I'll have to look up how to do this with my registrar/dns hoster |
| 20:16.06 | Shirik | ah |
| 20:16.13 | Shirik | yeah I don't know then |
| 20:16.18 | Gnarfoz | actually, I don't have to, since I don't see a real need, but I'd like to because why not |
| 20:16.21 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:16.29 | Shirik | my registrar asks me for the DS key to put in the record |
| 20:16.41 | Shirik | and then I'm responsible for making sure my DNS server actually uses that key |
| 20:16.45 | jleclanche | interesting: You can, through x hackery, close every window of an application without closing the application. i guess it makes sense when you think about it but its weird at firsty |
| 20:16.58 | Shirik | jleclanche: happens all the time on mac os |
| 20:17.00 | Gnarfoz | (I use HSTS on my guild home page... much secure, very password) |
| 20:17.08 | Shirik | when I close all windows of chrome, chrome remains open |
| 20:17.19 | nevcairiel | my registrar simply lets me edit bind zone files on a web interface |
| 20:17.28 | jleclanche | Shirik: yeah but thats not just x11, thats quartz |
| 20:17.30 | Gnarfoz | same on Windows, but that's intentional design for stuff like the hangouts plugin etc |
| 20:17.55 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: For my guild, to get to the admin panel, you have to do certificate authentication |
| 20:17.56 | Stanzilla | Shirik: there is a setting for that |
| 20:18.00 | Shirik | because I can |
| 20:18.14 | Stanzilla | "continue running background apps when google chrome is close" |
| 20:18.16 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: it's as good a reason as any! :D |
| 20:18.21 | Stanzilla | *d |
| 20:18.27 | Shirik | Libaplus20! |
| 20:18.50 | Gnarfoz | meh, and once again, I can't remember my password for this particular web interface >_> |
| 20:19.01 | Shirik | well that was neat |
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| 20:19.08 | Shirik | guess that password's trashed |
| 20:19.13 | Gnarfoz | haha |
| 20:19.16 | Shirik | apparently a while back I set my password to one of the G keys on my keyboard |
| 20:19.28 | Gnarfoz | that itself doesn't sound very secure |
| 20:19.29 | nevcairiel | that's stupid |
| 20:19.38 | Shirik | I remember why I did it |
| 20:19.42 | Shirik | I was trying to break something |
| 20:19.50 | Shirik | but I needed to keep typing in my password |
| 20:19.54 | Gnarfoz | for a moment I thought you were referencing a library you used to implement client certificate auth for your admin panel |
| 20:20.02 | nevcairiel | you did, you burned your passwors |
| 20:20.12 | nevcairiel | hehe so did i |
| 20:20.39 | Shirik | fortunately I use like 15 different passwords |
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| 20:20.45 | Gnarfoz | why oh why can I never remember my password for Hetzner's web interface |
| 20:20.47 | Shirik | and that one's fairly old |
| 20:21.24 | Stanzilla | did you find the setting, Shirik |
| 20:21.37 | Shirik | Stanzilla: I was too busy checking all of my accounts to see which ones had that password :P |
| 20:21.42 | Stanzilla | ok :D |
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| 20:22.23 | Gnarfoz | I bet if I go to the reset password form there'll be some explanation of their password complexity requirements which will make me remember why the password doesn't follow my usual scheme |
| 20:22.54 | nevcairiel | hmm my hetzner pw isn't particularly extra complex |
| 20:23.12 | Gnarfoz | and bleh, apparently 3 wrong tries is enough to land on their fail2ban list :P |
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| 20:23.22 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:23.25 | Gnarfoz | site won't respond to me anymore ^^ |
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| 20:23.55 | Gnarfoz | which makes me realize - I don't even host my DNS with them |
| 20:23.56 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 20:23.56 | nevcairiel | that reminds me, should check if my updated fail2ban rules worked as designed |
| 20:24.44 | nevcairiel | hetzner dns is kinda relaxed though. just edit the zone files, no stupid web interface abstraction |
| 20:25.12 | Gnarfoz | sounds fine |
| 20:25.14 | nevcairiel | granted you need to know wtf you are doing, but hey |
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| 20:25.54 | Gnarfoz | I started using dd24 before I started using a server hoster who also hosted dns |
| 20:26.15 | nevcairiel | i moved from dd24 a while ago |
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| 20:27.31 | Gnarfoz | just using Hetzner now? |
| 20:27.35 | nevcairiel | yes |
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| 20:27.44 | nevcairiel | for domain regs and dns host |
| 20:27.50 | nevcairiel | and server ofc |
| 20:28.21 | nevcairiel | in other news, screw public transport in Hamburg this evening |
| 20:28.53 | Gnarfoz | I've never heard much hate for Hamburg public transport, what's up? |
| 20:29.17 | Gnarfoz | (certainly not like the hate for Berlin's or Stuttgart's public transit systems) |
| 20:30.01 | nevcairiel | police action at central station, all lines closed. took a bus to one station down the line and grabbed a train there. one station later it stopped again because of maintenance work in the tunnels. |
| 20:30.23 | nevcairiel | bus again for a couple stations |
| 20:30.36 | nevcairiel | in final train now, i hope |
| 20:30.37 | jleclanche | airtonix_, Semlar: this was heartwarming: https://speakerdeck.com/bkeepers/git-the-nosql-database |
| 20:30.37 | jleclanche | makes me want to work on wikt again |
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| 20:32.09 | nevcairiel | only took like twice as long |
| 20:32.24 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: bleh. I heard Hamburg city centre is now permanently considered a danger zone? What the hell is up with that? :D |
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| 20:34.27 | nevcairiel | more like the altona region, no clue wtf the extremists are doing |
| 20:35.08 | nevcairiel | wonder if central station being closed had something todo with that |
| 20:36.08 | nevcairiel | heard there was fighting going on earlier today |
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| 22:13.20 | Neffi | ack. So feeding Notepad++'s langs.xml an API list of tens of thousands doesn't do too well. |
| 22:13.56 | Neffi | It randomly corrupts parts of the stylers config, and intermittently will syntax highlight words that it's not supposed to |
| 22:14.07 | Breagha | I think I read about that... Microsoft is supposed to have made an XML editor that works well with large files... |
| 22:14.32 | Breagha | Sec, I'll try to find the link again |
| 22:14.44 | Neffi | No, I mean I changed NP++'s built in Lua syntax highlighting to include all of WoW's API, and it breaks the program |
| 22:15.17 | Breagha | Oooh... right :P |
| 22:16.00 | Neffi | I'm finding its language handling inadequate |
| 22:16.30 | Neffi | Everything is hardcoded. If you want to define a new language, you have to use a really shitty general fallback lexer. It's impossible to define a language to follow Lua's behavior without writing it again in C. |
| 22:16.34 | Breagha | Well - I'll throw in the link anyways... Maybe it'll have an easier time handling the new syntax highlighting - http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=7973 |
| 22:16.53 | Breagha | I haven' |
| 22:16.57 | Breagha | t tried it, mind... |
| 22:17.04 | Breagha | Still very new at this... |
| 22:17.09 | Neffi | So I need to hack the config file that's not supposed to be changed, so I can get the hardcoded Lua behavior to also include WoW API |
| 22:19.43 | Breagha | Oh, if you're messing with xml files, maybe you can tell me why mine isn't working? :P |
| 22:20.47 | Breagha | xml - http://pastebin.com/k1YDfx8A lua - http://pastebin.com/6RhAsm6C |
| 22:21.12 | nevcairiel | in case someone didnt see it yet, sherlock is up |
| 22:21.22 | Breagha | Wait, that's the old one... |
| 22:22.18 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: the new one? |
| 22:22.24 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 22:22.27 | jleclanche | sweet |
| 22:22.33 | nevcairiel | what else would i be talking about |
| 22:23.12 | jleclanche | the one from the 1980s! |
| 22:23.26 | Breagha | lol |
| 22:23.59 | Breagha | If someone xml-savvy wouldn't mind looking at this - http://pastebin.com/NdaTWADF - it's not long... Just doesn't work :( |
| 22:27.34 | Semlar | does every frame type have a separate SetPoint function or is there a way to hook all of them at once |
| 22:27.45 | Breagha | I can't figure out what I did wrong... zenzelezz had a look at it too... |
| 22:28.22 | Breagha | I don't know, I'm very new... I think it's like you anchor it to the parent all the way down... |
| 22:28.35 | nevcairiel | Semlar: even if its the same implementation in every frame, you can't hook them all at once since you need to put the hook into the frame types metatable |
| 22:29.04 | Semlar | so i have to hook the one for frames, checkbuttons etc |
| 22:29.32 | nevcairiel | have fun tainting the entire interface, i suppose |
| 22:29.40 | Semlar | it's a secure hook |
| 22:29.45 | Semlar | i'm not prehooking it |
| 22:30.15 | Semlar | hooksecurefunc(getmetatable(CreateFrame('frame')).__index, 'SetPoint' |
| 22:31.18 | Semlar | i wasn't sure if there was a higher level setpoint function i could hook that would get all of them |
| 22:32.34 | Arrowmaster | gah fucking rar files, file-roller isnt opening them properly now |
| 22:32.57 | Arrowmaster | also where the fuck does the MEGA browser extension actually save the damn files too |
| 22:36.54 | Stanzilla | you get a save prompt when it is done downloading |
| 22:37.33 | Arrowmaster | i dont |
| 22:41.18 | Stanzilla | well I never used any extension for it because it works natively in chrome |
| 22:41.20 | Stanzilla | so dunno |
| 22:45.51 | Arrowmaster | it adds the download to the download list when its down but i dont know where it actually put the file |
| 22:46.57 | Breagha | No rightclick - go to folder option? |
| 23:01.14 | kd3|hate`net | mega uses html5 local storage to download, then exports it once it's done |
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| 23:13.42 | Arrowmaster | yeah fuck that addon, firefox was using 10.8 gigs of virt memory |
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| 23:18.32 | Stanzilla | Arrowmaster: just use chrome |
| 23:33.54 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 23:40.41 | VIad | xml - it burnns |
| 23:41.11 | Neffi | Semlar: dammit semlar |
| 23:41.38 | Neffi | Semlar: you can't hook everything |
| 23:41.43 | Neffi | that's bad |
| 23:42.03 | VIad | hook * |
| 23:44.59 | Neffi | >_> |
| 23:45.07 | VIad | <_< |
| 23:46.31 | Stanzilla | Arrowmaster: why are you a servant to the fox? |
| 23:47.34 | Arrowmaster | because chrome still has bad adblocking |
| 23:47.54 | Neffi | works for me |
| 23:48.06 | VIad | I agree that the fox adblock is more powerfull :) |
| 23:50.24 | Gnarfoz | stricter sandboxing -> less powerful addon/extension system |
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| 23:50.39 | Gnarfoz | tradeoff~ |
| 23:50.59 | Gnarfoz | also, this leaves the question: where is the html5 localstorage stored |
| 23:51.07 | Gnarfoz | I hope it's not somewhere in my fucking userprofile |
| 23:51.12 | Arrowmaster | it is |
| 23:51.15 | Gnarfoz | (it's bad enough Chrome itself is in there) |
| 23:51.17 | Arrowmaster | afaik |
| 23:51.48 | Neffi | Chrome isn't in your userprofile anymore, is it? |
| 23:51.52 | Gnarfoz | (although I recall some of you guys saying that recent Chrome versions go to program files -- although that's still just as bad if I can't pick where it installs) |
| 23:52.08 | Neffi | For me, it's been here for a while now: C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application |
| 23:52.21 | Gnarfoz | Neffi: maybe fresh installs aren't, guess Google was too lazy to convert existing ones. |
| 23:52.33 | Neffi | I'm pretty sure mine got converted |
| 23:52.47 | Gnarfoz | well, mine hasn't :D |
| 23:52.53 | Neffi | that's weird |
| 23:53.03 | Arrowmaster | oh it put them on my desktop instead of my Downloads folder, stupid addon |
| 23:53.26 | Arrowmaster | theres absolutely nothing in my desktop dir |
| 23:53.28 | Arrowmaster | normally |
| 23:54.22 | Stanzilla | that was me Gnarfoz |
| 23:54.36 | Gnarfoz | <3 |
| 23:54.44 | Gnarfoz | can you also tell me why mine is still in appdata? :> |
| 23:55.00 | Gnarfoz | should I blame it on it being -dev? |
| 23:55.13 | VIad | I thought the reason stuff are saved in appdata is because it's personalized and off limits to other users. While the program files folder is accessible to everyone. |
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| 23:55.25 | Stanzilla | for fresh installs it's UAC prompt allow => program files, deny => user dir |
| 23:55.31 | Stanzilla | old installs don't get converted |
| 23:55.38 | Gnarfoz | VIad: and the binary program files should go into my profile, why? |
| 23:56.01 | VIad | no only specific stuff to your profile, stuff that should only be available for you :P |
| 23:56.06 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: unless Neffi lied, or forgot he reinstalled, that can't be the whole story ;o |
| 23:56.37 | Stanzilla | a switch between release channels counts as reinstall |
| 23:56.39 | Stanzilla | so dunno |
| 23:56.41 | Gnarfoz | VIad: windows uses a filesystem that has fine-grained user-based permissions. there is zero reason to put programs in my profile. |
| 23:57.27 | kd3 | wait, what? chrome installed to the profile and not to program files? |
| 23:57.29 | Gnarfoz | not that it's very common to install programs as "not for all users" on (Windows) home computers |
| 23:57.47 | Gnarfoz | kd3: yes? it did so for the first... however many years of its existence. |
| 23:57.49 | Stanzilla | kd3: yes, many programs do that sadly |
| 23:57.50 | kd3 | wtf |
| 23:57.52 | Stanzilla | spotify for example |
| 23:57.59 | Gnarfoz | battle.net agent! |
| 23:58.00 | Gnarfoz | fuck that shit. |
| 23:58.35 | Gnarfoz | f.lux, too, apparently :( |
| 23:58.37 | Semlar | neffi |
| 23:58.42 | Gnarfoz | Dropbox |
| 23:59.17 | Arrowmaster | a lot of dotnet apps do it too |
| 23:59.31 | Arrowmaster | glares at curse client |
| 23:59.33 | Stanzilla | yeah every app with clickonce deployment |
