| 00:01.14 | jleclanche | Ackis: additional vote for transmission-daemon |
| 00:01.24 | jleclanche | Ackis: do not confuse it with transmission-cli. That one is old and deprecated |
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| 00:17.01 | pompy | aaand delayed once again https://www.facebook.com/OrbitalSciencesCorp/posts/10152105559475479:0 |
| 00:18.24 | Amarande | heh, life on the space station must be fuuuuuuuuun |
| 00:18.32 | Amarande | you're out there. in space. exposed to various fun things like protons. |
| 00:19.11 | Amarande | and on top of that, anything and everything that has to come from earth, even your essential supplies or eventual trip home, is subject to days or more of delay with little or no notice heh |
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| 01:28.38 | kd3|hate`net | how common is this in boston? http://i.imgur.com/KckbsBE.jpg |
| 01:30.44 | Neffi | anyone got alink to the world of warcraft server in minecraft? |
| 01:30.50 | Neffi | preferably the overviewer map |
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| 01:40.55 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/n_J5EId03g2r |
| 01:40.56 | jleclanche | so damn cool |
| 01:41.01 | znf | Amazon's AWS just sent me a bill for $0.63 |
| 01:41.20 | znf | apparently creating a zone for test on their Route53 service then deleting it costs money |
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| 01:42.42 | Amarande | they actually bill you for that? |
| 01:43.10 | Amarande | wow, the last little smidge of service at dreamhost before I canceled I actually ended up getting for free, and that was a few times more than that |
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| 01:43.17 | Amarande | amazon sounds greedy :( |
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| 01:44.42 | znf | Amarande, apparently they did |
| 01:44.45 | znf | I'm as shocked as you :P |
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| 02:23.45 | Neffi | <nevcairiel> cat farts are nice <- dafuq |
| 02:23.57 | Neffi | Semlar: do you like cat farts? |
| 02:27.10 | Semlar | no |
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| 03:24.43 | jleclanche | alestane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7W0o65tTIQ |
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| 03:45.21 | Neffi | lol jleclanche |
| 03:48.04 | Ackis | I may or may not have done the smart thing but I built my ubuntu server without a gui and I'm just sshing in... how can I search for availible packages to install? |
| 03:49.32 | Neffi | http://askubuntu.com/questions/160897/how-do-i-search-for-available-packages-from-the-command-line |
| 03:49.44 | Neffi | I know you didn't Google at all before asking us |
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| 03:50.27 | Ackis | Neffi: I focused on looking at apt-get :( |
| 03:50.52 | Neffi | Generalized keyword-heavy searches work best |
| 03:51.06 | Neffi | "ubuntu cli search available packages" |
| 03:51.15 | Ackis | I did learn today that google only lets you specify 32 key words |
| 03:51.30 | Iriel | Ackis: no gui on a server IS the smart thing, BTW |
| 03:51.41 | Neffi | If you need more than 32 keywords in a search, you might be using Google wrong |
| 03:52.12 | Ackis | Iriel: that's what I thought but a lot of the tutorials I'm finding involve a gui program of sorts |
| 03:52.17 | Iriel | is the answer apt-cache search? |
| 03:52.21 | Iriel | I guess I could click the link |
| 03:52.24 | Neffi | yes |
| 03:52.33 | Iriel | Oh good, i'm still relevant 8-) |
| 03:52.39 | Neffi | Ackis: Then look for other tutorials and mention the keyword "cli" |
| 03:52.42 | Neffi | hah |
| 03:53.19 | Neffi | If it's server related and can't be done from the CLI, it's probably not very good |
| 03:53.38 | Iriel | has a host of debian machines without guis |
| 03:53.45 | Iriel | Some physical, some virtual |
| 03:55.51 | jleclanche | Ackis: but ubuntu on the server is NOT the smart thing |
| 03:56.08 | Neffi | jleclanche: Better than Arch ;) |
| 03:56.22 | jleclanche | i LOVE arch servers but i wouldnt recommend them to anyone |
| 03:56.23 | jleclanche | ever |
| 03:56.28 | Neffi | aye |
| 03:56.43 | jleclanche | but yeah no, on the desktop i recommend mint and on the server debian |
| 03:56.56 | jleclanche | most everything else is madness |
| 03:56.59 | Neffi | Well I don't love them, but aye that I wouldnt recommend you run a rolling-release distro with no focus on security patches, no attempts to prevent breakage during upgrade, etc, as a server distro |
| 03:57.22 | jleclanche | i run arch in nearly all my server setups |
| 03:57.25 | jleclanche | production servers |
| 03:57.29 | jleclanche | also my personal prod machine |
| 03:57.30 | Neffi | So CentOS on the server is madness? |
| 03:57.45 | jleclanche | its not madness, its just kinda annoying |
| 03:57.51 | Neffi | To each their own |
| 03:58.00 | Iriel | runs OSX on my "personal prod machine" |
| 03:58.14 | Iriel | But then a bunch of debian VM's on top of that in virtualbox for some things |
| 03:58.26 | Neffi | my personal prod machine: http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110209215856/fallout/images/7/7a/CattleProd.png |
| 03:58.41 | Iriel | TBH if installing debian on an older mac pro wasn't such a PITA I might have gone with that for the server host |
| 03:58.59 | Neffi | hmm, surpsising |
| 03:59.09 | Iriel | tSince i almost never USE the gui |
| 03:59.22 | Neffi | I would think the procedure for doing just that would be relatively well pegged down, Iriel |
| 03:59.33 | Iriel | When I checked it was non-trivial |
| 04:00.03 | Iriel | AT the very least past my "can't be bothered" level 8-) |
| 04:00.09 | Neffi | heh |
| 04:00.25 | jleclanche | I do *not* understand OSX for devs |
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| 04:00.54 | Iriel | It's nice, stuff just works. |
| 04:00.55 | jleclanche | people keep saying it's out of laziness or just wanting to get things working |
| 04:01.00 | jleclanche | but i dont believe that a minute |
| 04:01.01 | Iriel | and I can run linux in VM's when I need it |
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| 04:01.15 | Iriel | I did the linux-on-my-desktop (and laptop) for years |
| 04:01.15 | jleclanche | i mean, its a hell of a lot better than windows sure |
| 04:01.18 | Iriel | this is much more pleasant. |
| 04:01.22 | jleclanche | yeah i dunno |
| 04:01.54 | jleclanche | i need sleep, supposed to wake up one hour ago |
| 04:01.55 | jleclanche | gnite |
| 04:02.02 | Neffi | nite |
| 04:05.08 | Iriel | Neffi: it's documented (https://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnIntelMacPro) but kind of annoying |
| 04:05.17 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: been using debian on my desktop and laptop for 4+ years now |
| 04:05.52 | Arrowmaster | wow i cant believe its been that long since ive had a windows pc |
| 04:06.37 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: was doing it from the late 90's through until about 2006/7 when I got my first macbook pro, and then shortly after mac pro. |
| 04:06.58 | Arrowmaster | but im using cinnamon 2.0 as my DE, which isnt available in debian |
| 04:08.13 | Neffi | How is 2.0? |
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| 04:09.22 | Arrowmaster | great |
| 04:14.38 | Iriel | Anyone got any recommendations for a thunderbolt or eSata raid enclosure that's QUIET and reliable? |
| 04:18.37 | znf | oopsie, chrome crashed |
| 04:18.45 | znf | and I only had a billion tabs opened, np |
| 04:19.28 | Shirik | that might be why it crashed |
| 04:20.59 | znf | keeps complaining about OOM :( |
| 04:21.10 | znf | gets annoying when I can't browse with 6gb ram... |
| 04:23.08 | Iriel | How much are you allowing chrome to use/ |
| 04:23.54 | znf | how do I not allow it to use stuff? |
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| 04:24.50 | znf | I don't think I can stop it from using as much as it wants to :P |
| 04:25.51 | Neffi | Well how many tabs are you opening? |
| 04:26.08 | znf | let's not continue the discussion - I'm running Canary |
| 04:26.20 | znf | ie: let's not waste your time by debugging a problem that is probably not there :) |
| 04:26.30 | Neffi | I run adblock with like 8 filter subscriptions, and I commonly open what I'd consider a metric shitload of tabs, and it never comes close to using half of my 6 GiB |
| 04:26.59 | Neffi | Yeah, I run stable. I don't understand why people run super-mega-definitely-not-stable development builds |
| 04:27.06 | znf | because FUN |
| 04:28.15 | znf | I seem to be doing something stupid - I'm streaming radio from my WinAmp on my pc, to an liquidsoap instance then to an icecast then to another player on my own pc |
| 04:29.01 | Neffi | trying to build a Rube Goldberg machine? |
| 04:29.31 | znf | I tested some things a few hours ago, left it like that |
| 04:30.45 | znf | my chrome instantly starts up using 800MB ram |
| 04:32.18 | Neffi | Yeah mine's at 628 MiB running just the southparkstudios.com player and about:memory |
| 04:32.40 | Neffi | I seem to remember it used to pull that off in like 150 MiB |
| 04:32.46 | znf | adblock alone is ~100MB |
| 04:33.27 | Neffi | Well browser alone is at 160. GPU process is at the same. Flash + extensions take up the majority of it. |
| 04:33.29 | znf | 1,3gigs with 9 tabs (memory and a youtube video) |
| 04:33.29 | znf | heh |
| 04:34.23 | Neffi | But my memory usage don't grow liberally as I add tabs. It may consume a lot from the get go, but it's not too bad overall. |
| 04:34.38 | znf | I'll blame it on canary |
| 04:35.01 | Iriel | Speaking of youtube videos, here's one that I just searched out because it popped into my memory from the distant past: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDlj0jBtYmQ |
| 04:40.29 | Ackis | yay I've got a partially working plex, transmission and starbound server so far! |
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| 07:00.56 | Shirik | ok this is awesome |
| 07:01.09 | Shirik | this guy looks at the "code" in movies and figures out what they mean http://moviecode.tumblr.com/ |
| 07:02.48 | Shirik | my favorite is dr. who looking at an SVG file |
| 07:04.22 | Iriel | It seems a bit more like he googles for bits of it and figures out where they came from |
| 07:04.28 | Shirik | ok fine |
| 07:04.31 | Iriel | but maybe i'm being too cynical |
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| 07:04.44 | Shirik | but point is centralized location of movie code clips |
| 07:05.03 | Iriel | I remembered terminator being 6502 code, from back in the day |
| 07:06.07 | Shirik | The Matrix won't make its way on here unfortunately |
| 07:06.14 | Shirik | but the hacking attempt done in the Matrix is somewhat legit |
| 07:06.30 | Shirik | you can see them using nmap and finding an ssh v1 server, and then using the well-known exploit against it |
| 07:06.42 | Shirik | but that's not really "code |
| 07:09.13 | karl_w_w | looks at Shirik |
| 07:09.18 | karl_w_w | he is The One! |
| 07:09.30 | Shirik | wat |
| 07:09.55 | Iriel | I think shirik more likely an agent |
| 07:10.07 | karl_w_w | that's true |
| 07:10.48 | karl_w_w | but I don't like the idea of Shirik cloning himself |
| 07:11.51 | Iriel | Dont think of it as cloning, think of it as fork() ing |
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| 07:13.12 | Shirik2 | Well that's weird |
| 07:13.30 | Shirik2 | Oh my other login is connected through my server |
| 07:13.38 | Shirik2 | Oh this should work |
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| 07:15.29 | Shirik | I don't understand |
| 07:15.34 | Shirik | Windows says I'm using about 2.5GB of memory |
| 07:15.38 | Shirik | and it also says I'm almost out of memory |
| 07:16.10 | Iriel | How much system RAM does windows think you have? |
| 07:16.11 | Shirik | it's basically saying Windows is taking 11GB of memory |
| 07:16.14 | Shirik | 16 |
| 07:16.24 | Shirik | like if I add all the processes up it's about 2.5GB |
| 07:16.33 | Iriel | Are you showing only your own processes/ |
| 07:16.36 | kd3 | how much is it wasting on cache? |
| 07:16.38 | Shirik | no I'm showing all |
| 07:17.08 | Shirik | 6870MB cached |
| 07:17.12 | Iriel | simple answer then, your machine is haunted |
| 07:17.30 | karl_w_w | whoa |
| 07:17.38 | karl_w_w | i have 16gb as well, 11.9gb cached |
| 07:17.58 | Shirik | let's see if process explorer has an answer |
| 07:18.05 | karl_w_w | 3.9 in use |
| 07:18.15 | karl_w_w | that's all my rams! |
| 07:19.10 | Iriel | I have 1gb, 10.16 used. |
| 07:19.19 | Iriel | 18 gb even |
| 07:19.44 | kd3 | 18gb? triple-channel? |
| 07:20.21 | Iriel | It's just how it turned out, 4 x 4gb, 2 x 1 gb |
| 07:20.57 | karl_w_w | that's a lot of ram slots |
| 07:21.06 | Iriel | I have 2 open |
| 07:21.29 | Iriel | It's an 8 core mac pro |
| 07:21.43 | Iriel | it has 2 memory daughter cards, each with 4 slots |
| 07:22.08 | Shirik | my problem is I run my computer with no paging file |
| 07:22.20 | Shirik | so Windows starts destroying programs when I run out of memory :P |
| 07:22.31 | Shirik | and it does seem to have a very arbitrary way of doing it |
| 07:23.07 | karl_w_w | why you do dis Shirik? |
| 07:23.22 | Shirik | why should I need a paging file if I have 16GB of memory? |
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| 07:23.38 | Iriel | Sometimes it's better to use the ram for buffer |
| 07:23.40 | Iriel | possibly |
| 07:23.48 | karl_w_w | Windows starts destroying programs when I run out of memory |
| 07:23.56 | Shirik | don't run out of memory :P |
| 07:24.50 | Shirik | the fun part is Bitcoin is taking up 500GB doing absolutely nothing |
| 07:24.57 | Iriel | I'll be up to 32GB on my next machine I think |
| 07:25.00 | Shirik | they really need to find some solution to this blockchain problem |
| 07:25.01 | karl_w_w | well my commit charge is at 32gb right now |
| 07:25.11 | karl_w_w | i dont have 32gb ram, so a pagefile is useful |
| 07:25.29 | Shirik | I'll probably be bringing this machine up to 32GB soon |
| 07:25.40 | Shirik | but the rest of the stuff in it is good for another few years |
| 07:25.47 | Shirik | which probably means "a year" |
| 07:26.25 | Iriel | This one's getting onto 4 years old, so it's probably time soon |
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| 08:23.51 | Shirik | woot |
| 08:24.01 | Shirik | I'm officially rated higher than the lowest level AI on my computer for go |
| 08:24.13 | Shirik | aka I'm not terribad anymore |
| 08:24.15 | Shirik | I'm only bad |
| 08:28.10 | karl_w_w | why are people suddenly playing go? |
| 08:28.48 | Shirik | I only know of Arrowmaster and myself |
| 08:29.03 | Shirik | and I think he already did I just picked it up recently |
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| 09:49.55 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: yeah ive been terribad for years, i can make an AI resign the game after 1 move on 9x9 but i cant win on 19x19 |
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| 10:39.39 | karl_w_w | a-ha! |
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| 10:41.07 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://pastebin.com || 5.4.x ToC: 50400 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || Happy New Year! |
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| 10:51.32 | zenzelezz | makes sense to some degree |
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| 12:53.36 | karl_w_w | http://lslash.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Best-Actors-Played-Sherlock-Holmes.jpg is this a real thing? |
| 12:56.53 | rid_ | nop |
| 13:00.21 | nevcairiel | well kinda |
| 13:01.05 | nevcairiel | the anime thing is a homage to fictional detectives, not a real adapation of sherlock holmes |
| 13:01.07 | nevcairiel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tantei_Opera_Milky_Holmes |
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| 13:12.06 | airtonix | jleclanche: how many links to porns sites is optimal? |
| 13:26.08 | jleclanche | airtonix: 77% |
| 13:26.13 | jleclanche | werent you following |
| 13:27.02 | jleclanche | Maldivia: in case you didnt see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7W0o65tTIQ |
| 13:27.49 | karl_w_w | 69% actually |
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| 13:49.17 | Icicle | Morning |
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| 14:06.27 | teraleon | Hello, I've got a question. You could return function arguments in an array like local returns={...}, but is it possible to return function returns in an array as well, instead of _,_,_,whatever,_=somefunction(x,y)? |
| 14:10.13 | teraleon | Say, if I do /run local rx={} rx=UnitAura("player","Inner Fire") print(rx) - it only prints the first argument |
| 14:16.42 | teraleon | Gotcha |
| 14:16.45 | teraleon | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.35 | jnwhiteh | I have the regexp (.)(.)(?!\2\1) but I want to match anything where that isn't the case |
| 14:18.41 | jnwhiteh | but this is not in my regexp toolbox =/ |
| 14:20.16 | teraleon | Uhm, isn't that the ^ symbol? |
| 14:21.02 | jnwhiteh | no, ^ is an anchor or negation of a character class |
| 14:21.04 | jnwhiteh | not a regexp |
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| 14:22.03 | teraleon | :/ |
| 14:22.31 | teraleon | Anyway, UnitAura doesn't seem to return a debuff like Weakened Soul, but UnitDebuff does |
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| 14:23.26 | teraleon | I thought Auras were both Buffs and Debuffs :o |
| 14:23.41 | jnwhiteh | with the right filters they are =) |
| 14:25.13 | teraleon | Ahm - like /run print(UnitAura("player","Weakened Soul")) - that doesn't give anything |
| 14:25.45 | Jitta | UnitAura has "HELPFUL" as default filter |
| 14:25.50 | teraleon | Oh |
| 14:26.26 | teraleon | I need to read closer :( |
| 14:28.17 | teraleon | Thanks, guys. ._. |
| 14:28.23 | karl_w_w | because UnitAura just wants everyone to get along |
| 14:29.17 | karl_w_w | UnitBuff, of course, is a helper function |
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| 14:31.55 | karl_w_w | enjoying ets2, Arrowmaster? |
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| 15:37.06 | Arrowmaster | karl_w_w: dont judge me |
| 15:37.13 | Arrowmaster | its not bad |
| 15:37.27 | karl_w_w | i put a ton of hours into it |
| 15:37.49 | karl_w_w | you can get a thing |
| 15:37.57 | karl_w_w | i dont remember if they call them addons or what |
| 15:38.01 | Arrowmaster | mods? |
| 15:38.05 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 15:38.10 | karl_w_w | to remove the speed limiter |
| 15:38.32 | karl_w_w | I find it more realistic, but there's debate over that |
| 15:38.44 | karl_w_w | cos apparently most real world trucks do have a limiter |
| 15:40.32 | airtonix | i rather like that mod that brings zombies |
| 15:40.40 | airtonix | and sniper scopes |
| 15:40.43 | airtonix | and hunger |
| 15:40.54 | Arrowmaster | well none of them on the highways near me are limited to 55mph like in the game |
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| 16:04.28 | karl_w_w | my god windows is a pain in the ass sometimes |
| 16:04.49 | karl_w_w | YOU SHALL NOT MODIFY SYSTEM32 |
| 16:10.40 | karl_w_w | but you can delete and put a new copy of something in there, but you can't straight replace |
| 16:21.27 | Arrowmaster | karl_w_w: ok i opened the game back up and now i cant move any trailers, if i disconnect i can drive the cab though |
| 16:21.43 | karl_w_w | strange :P |
| 16:22.45 | Elkano | ETS2 discussions in here? ZOMG! |
| 16:25.56 | karl_w_w | it's because we're amazing |
| 16:26.28 | karl_w_w | oh apparently there is a check box for it in settings Arrowmaster, since 1.4.1 :P |
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| 16:26.35 | karl_w_w | I haven't played in a while |
| 16:27.52 | Arrowmaster | ok i loaded from a save and went into controller settings and back out and seemed to fix it, my front wheels had brakes on for some reason and i didnt know how to turn them off |
| 16:27.59 | Arrowmaster | might have been controller input locked up |
| 16:29.59 | Elkano | ever played it with head tracking? |
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| 16:44.15 | Shirik | oh Arrowmaster I've still been playing on 9x9 boards |
| 16:49.37 | Fisker | 9x9 boards? |
| 16:50.13 | Shirik | go board |
| 16:50.19 | Shirik | there are different sizes |
| 16:50.27 | Shirik | most beginners play on 9x9 boards |
| 16:52.59 | Fisker | What is go? |
| 16:56.23 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Fisker |
| 16:56.24 | purl | Fisker: FAIL! |
| 16:56.32 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:56.35 | Fisker | tell me |
| 16:59.11 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FloorGoban.JPG |
| 16:59.14 | Shirik | This is Go |
| 16:59.29 | Shirik | it's a game of territory |
| 17:00.47 | Shirik | interesting go problem Arrowmaster: in that picture, the black pieces in the bottom right are alive or dead? |
| 17:01.00 | Shirik | I think they're alive but it's kinda complicated |
| 17:01.11 | Fisker | oh that Shirik |
| 17:01.14 | Fisker | fuck that game |
| 17:01.18 | Shirik | wat |
| 17:01.19 | Fisker | and everything it represents |
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| 17:07.15 | karl_w_w | they're alive Shirik |
| 17:07.22 | karl_w_w | #makingshitup |
| 17:07.23 | Elkano | I think so, too |
| 17:07.28 | Shirik | pets karl_w_w |
| 17:08.13 | airtonix | Fisker: shirik dreams of becoming the next Stalin |
| 17:08.23 | airtonix | that's why he plays go |
| 17:08.28 | Shirik | I'm going to become the stalin of the internet world |
| 17:08.44 | karl_w_w | "Windows Resource Protection found corrupt files but was unable to fix some of them. Details are included in the CBS.Log windir\Logs\CBS\CBS.log." |
| 17:08.46 | airtonix | using windows i wouldn't be surprised |
| 17:08.49 | karl_w_w | 14mb log file thanks |
| 17:14.08 | Fisker | datass Shirik |
| 17:19.29 | karl_w_w | 4 millions years later i get group policy editor working, but it doesnt have the stuff! |
| 17:30.58 | Fisker | install the stuff karl_w_w |
| 17:31.19 | karl_w_w | I can't Fisker, the stuff is gay :( |
| 17:31.24 | Fisker | no karl_w_w |
| 17:31.40 | Fisker | the stuff is not having sex or relations with men karl_w_w |
| 17:32.19 | karl_w_w | that's because it's beta, Fisker |
| 17:41.10 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: playing at 1-5 would make them alive i think |
| 17:41.44 | Shirik | not 1-4? |
| 17:42.04 | Arrowmaster | either one really |
| 17:42.34 | Arrowmaster | i think 1-5 is safer |
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| 17:47.25 | karl_w_w | oh my gosh |
| 17:47.47 | karl_w_w | i managed to make explorer slightly sane in windows 8.1 |
| 17:48.17 | karl_w_w | let's see if I can rename the "This PC" thing |
| 17:48.34 | karl_w_w | oh I can, that part's easy |
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| 17:51.28 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/qOIhwJr.png I can hear angels singing |
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| 17:57.31 | Shirik | isn't gamma 2.0 supposed to be brighter? |
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| 18:01.13 | karl_w_w | no Shirik, that was patched in with gamma 2.0.1 |
| 18:01.47 | Shirik | ._. |
| 18:01.59 | Shirik | the gamma setting, higher is brighter, right? |
| 18:02.22 | Arrowmaster | i thought 2.2 was considered default gamma |
| 18:02.26 | Shirik | apparently I'm the one that has it backwards |
| 18:02.37 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: I think most games make it actually a factor of 2.2 |
| 18:02.40 | Shirik | which makes it not really gamma |
| 18:02.42 | Shirik | but |
| 18:02.48 | Shirik | so like 2.2 * x |
| 18:05.19 | karl_w_w | http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1jj7dg/what_is_the_biggest_fail_in_human_history/ |
| 18:05.23 | karl_w_w | classic lojka! |
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| 18:07.25 | jleclanche | any android dev around? I need some input |
| 18:09.38 | zenzelezz | wish I was. I've been meaning to do it any day now(tm) |
| 18:10.10 | nevcairiel | i have done a bit of work, but not much |
| 18:10.34 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: are you familiar with android intents? |
| 18:10.43 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 18:11.06 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: does android handle "view" vs "edit" in any way? i saw a VIEW and EDIT intent but Im not sure what they are |
| 18:12.26 | nevcairiel | its usually up to some application to handle the intent |
| 18:12.34 | nevcairiel | and of course they would make a difference between view and edit |
| 18:13.17 | nevcairiel | something fires the intent, and your app registers for them and acts accordingly |
| 18:13.23 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: I am working on a spec thats somewhat inspired by android intents but i keep hitting a block every time i deal with view vs edit |
| 18:13.29 | jleclanche | to me its just easier to handle View and Edit separately |
| 18:13.46 | jleclanche | eg on linux (xdg), you currently associate apps with mime types |
| 18:13.54 | jleclanche | the user has the choice of association etc like on windows |
| 18:14.26 | jleclanche | but say you want to open a jpeg file and you have both a video editor and a video viewer associated with them |
| 18:14.45 | nevcairiel | view and edit are different intent actions in android, so of course it can be handled seperately |
| 18:14.47 | jleclanche | you need the app to say "I edit this, I don't view it" and the other one to say the opposite |
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| 18:14.59 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: can you give me an example of how they would be used on android? |
| 18:15.00 | nevcairiel | but an editor can of course also view an image |
| 18:15.08 | nevcairiel | while a viewer cannot edit it |
| 18:15.18 | jleclanche | thats not necessarily a given |
| 18:15.25 | jleclanche | (eg a text editor can edit html but not necessarily preview it) |
| 18:16.13 | nevcairiel | well they are seperate in any case and you can assign whichever you want |
| 18:17.08 | nevcairiel | i'm still not sure what you are asking anyway |
| 18:17.25 | nevcairiel | you have distinct view and edit intent actions on android, so that you can have an editor which cannot view |
| 18:18.23 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: how would an app use them? how would it declare "i can edit this, i can view that"? |
| 18:19.14 | nevcairiel | you setup an intent filter with the list of actions you support and for example a mimetype of the data to go with it |
| 18:20.37 | Kalroth | http://i.imgur.com/h6PeXql.jpg french ads are pretty cool (nsfw!!) |
| 18:21.02 | Kalroth | what is EDF? |
| 18:21.26 | jleclanche | national electricity provider |
| 18:21.33 | Kalroth | ahh |
| 18:21.40 | Kalroth | makes sense |
| 18:21.49 | jleclanche | it says "Having a luminous house means avoiding bad surprises" |
| 18:22.04 | Shirik | ..................... |
| 18:22.11 | jleclanche | and I doubt thats a real ad. |
| 18:22.19 | Kalroth | but its french |
| 18:22.23 | Kalroth | it could be real |
| 18:22.27 | jleclanche | I also doubt thats a real girl. |
| 18:22.35 | nevcairiel | well of course not |
| 18:22.37 | nevcairiel | thats the point |
| 18:22.38 | nevcairiel | duh |
| 18:22.42 | Kalroth | lol |
| 18:23.09 | Kalroth | well now i know, in the future i'll tug it away when i dress up |
| 18:23.53 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: can you give me code example of setting up an intent filter and mimetype data to go with it? |
| 18:24.02 | jleclanche | its kinda hard to find it when you dont actually know the environment at all.. |
| 18:24.15 | nevcairiel | !google android intent |
| 18:24.20 | nevcairiel | too bad |
| 18:24.25 | nevcairiel | http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Intent.html |
| 18:24.28 | nevcairiel | it has an example :P |
| 18:24.37 | jleclanche | i know that document by heart |
| 18:25.01 | nevcairiel | well there is your example |
| 18:25.06 | jleclanche | beeh |
| 18:25.13 | nevcairiel | it has an xml with the intent filter |
| 18:25.17 | jleclanche | mmh |
| 18:25.19 | Kalroth | rude! |
| 18:25.23 | jleclanche | so the app ships this stuff? |
| 18:25.30 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 18:25.34 | nevcairiel | who else knows what your app can run |
| 18:25.37 | jleclanche | like |
| 18:25.40 | jleclanche | The last activity, com.android.notepad.TitleEditor, allows the user to edit the title of a note. This could be implemented as a class that the application directly invokes (by explicitly setting its component in the Intent), but here we show a way you can publish alternative operations on existing data: |
| 18:25.46 | jleclanche | why's that so specific? |
| 18:25.49 | jleclanche | editing the title of a note |
| 18:26.08 | nevcairiel | its an example, they had to come up with stuff :P |
| 18:26.11 | jleclanche | why does it need to be so narrow? i could see a "TextEditor" or "NoteEditor" |
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| 18:26.21 | jleclanche | mmh |
| 18:26.44 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: what about intents that dont view/edit/open? are they valid? |
| 18:26.57 | jleclanche | i mean |
| 18:26.59 | jleclanche | like ACTION_CALL |
| 18:27.04 | nevcairiel | there is a big list of intent actions |
| 18:27.45 | jleclanche | im looking through it again, some of it seems weird |
| 18:27.52 | jleclanche | like this stuff: ACTION_BOOT_COMPLETED, ACTION_BATTERY_LOW etc |
| 18:27.55 | nevcairiel | of course its valid, you could have an app that can perform calls on some special contact data |
| 18:27.59 | jleclanche | these are events, i dont understand why they're intents |
| 18:28.21 | nevcairiel | well some central events also get piped throug there |
| 18:28.52 | nevcairiel | they have their own category, in the docs at least |
| 18:29.06 | Shirik | is it just a sign that I'm getting older or is Pope Francis the most influential pope in a long time? |
| 18:29.12 | Shirik | (in my lifetime: ever) |
| 18:29.24 | jleclanche | you make it sound like you've been here for a dozen popes |
| 18:29.30 | jleclanche | this COULD be a sign you're getting older. |
| 18:29.45 | Shirik | but like I don't ever remember reading anything even about past popes that was particularly remarkable |
| 18:29.57 | Semlar | the pope does things? |
| 18:29.59 | Shirik | and this guy gets in and he's like OK EVERYBODY'S BEING STUPID CHANGE EVERYTHING |
| 18:30.05 | nevcairiel | i dont remember reading anything about the new guy thats particularly remarkable |
| 18:30.16 | jleclanche | he comes up quite a lot |
| 18:30.18 | Shirik | well the point is he's trying to get the church to change |
| 18:30.25 | jleclanche | acceptant of gays, etc |
| 18:30.25 | nevcairiel | in the past popes got killed for trying to change too much |
| 18:30.27 | Semlar | GOOD LUCK |
| 18:30.32 | nevcairiel | but that time may have passed |
| 18:30.44 | Shirik | like exactly what jleclanche |
| 18:30.49 | Shirik | the pope said that |
| 18:30.51 | Shirik | wtf |
| 18:30.57 | Shirik | that used to be unthinkable |
| 18:31.16 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: to be fair they may all just wait for them to die off. |
| 18:31.18 | nevcairiel | didnt they also want to allow priests to get married now or something |
| 18:32.26 | Shirik | here's the weird part |
| 18:32.30 | Shirik | he was voted in extremely quickly |
| 18:32.33 | alestane | I've seen a bunch of stuff attributed to the new ope that made me feel like I should be checking the sources; I think some of it is legitimate but I have a feeling some of it is from sites like Freewood post or Christian Wire, that just make up satirical articles. |
| 18:32.43 | Shirik | so did he just hide all this or did they know his viewpoints on it |
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| 18:33.56 | nevcairiel | alestane: shocking, sartire is made up |
| 18:34.19 | Shirik | North Korea has released new research! |
| 18:34.32 | Shirik | they did a study on the happiest nations in the world |
| 18:34.41 | Shirik | North Korea ranked #2, right behind China |
| 18:34.53 | Shirik | in last place was this country called "The American Empire" |
| 18:35.19 | Shirik | I feel like this is something that belong on the onion |
| 18:37.11 | alestane | North Korean journalism is about as valid as Onion articles for the most part. |
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| 18:38.03 | Lanerra | Is it possible to use AddMessageEventFilter to remove spammy addon loading stuff from the default chat frame on login, even if you're addon loads after said spammy addon? I can't seem to figure out the proper use of patterns for strfind to return true in the filter function |
| 18:38.53 | Lanerra | Ideally, I'd like to include the color tag for the string so as not to accidentally remove normal conversation about an addon from the chat |
| 18:39.11 | Lanerra | ie "|c*AucAdvanced*" |
| 18:40.43 | Semlar | i just tried to make sure my addon loaded first that was doing the filtering |
| 18:41.09 | Lanerra | So essentially I have to name the addon something like "!MyAddon"? |
| 18:41.33 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.51 | Amarande | Shirik: wait, North Korea conducted a study on the happiest nations in the world and even THAT didn't get them #1? |
| 18:41.59 | Amarande | I wonder who got shot after that one ... heh |
| 18:42.15 | Lanerra | Well, shit |
| 18:42.35 | Semlar | i was supposed to fix some bugs with it but i got distracted and haven't gotten around to it |
| 18:42.50 | Lanerra | And I'm guessing there isn't a non-stupid way of retroactively looking at strings in the Chatframe and removing them accordingly? |
| 18:43.26 | Semlar | i figure it's possible but probably not easy |
| 18:43.45 | Lanerra | Something to do with Registering CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM, doing the cleaning, and then unregistering it? |
| 18:44.19 | Semlar | assuming your addon loads before that event and that event always fires |
| 18:46.15 | Lanerra | Ugh...what a pain in the ass. Basically, my addon is a complete UI replacement ala Tukui/Elvui/etc. and was just wanting to clear anything beginning with a color code, followed by the name of any installed addon. Just so login looks a bit cleaner |
| 18:46.29 | Lanerra | As stupid as it sounds, something like !LanUI sounds a bit silly |
| 18:47.38 | Lanerra | Though, I suppose I could just write a separate little addon that does only that |
| 18:47.45 | Lanerra | Thanks for the help, Semlar |
| 18:49.15 | Lanerra | Huh...actually, is there even a function to call the list of all addons slated for loading? |
| 18:49.32 | VIad | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61UfGg6sf8I |
| 18:50.16 | Lanerra | lol |
| 18:52.47 | Semlar | Lanerra: you can tell the chat frame to remove messages by id so presumably you can loop over them, check for your pattern and remove the ones you don't want |
| 18:53.25 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/ScrollingMessageFrame/GetMessageInfo and ScrollingMessageFrame:RemoveMessagesByAccessID() |
| 18:53.33 | Lanerra | Ah, okay. I'll look into that. Thanks, Semlar! |
| 18:54.16 | Semlar | well, RemoveMessagesByAccessID is undocumented so i'm not entirely sure how it works |
| 18:55.06 | Lanerra | I'll play around with it, see what I can dig up |
| 18:57.03 | Semlar | i think it might actually remove all of the messages from the frame |
| 18:57.31 | Semlar | oh i guess you could put the messages you want to keep in a table and clear the frame and then put them back |
| 18:57.39 | Semlar | >_> |
| 18:59.57 | Shirik | yes alestane but an article about north korea doing something like this |
| 19:00.02 | Shirik | seems like something the onion would make up |
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| 19:03.52 | Shirik | wtf http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/01/03/259416979/everyone-poops-but-dogs-do-it-with-magnetism |
| 19:06.24 | Dagmar | Yeah that's actually a little weird, but be glad you weren't on the research team |
| 19:07.19 | karl_w_w | sounds like bollocks to me |
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| 19:14.36 | karl_w_w | Elkano, how is head tracking meant to work? |
| 19:14.50 | Semlar | is it possible to get "Interface action failed because of an AddOn" to actually tell you what it was trying to do in game |
| 19:15.01 | karl_w_w | surely if you turn your head you are no longer facing your screen so you can't see what you're "looking" at? :P |
| 19:16.21 | Elkano | turn your head ~30° to the left and you can still look at your screen, right? map the 30° non-linear to 90°+ ingame -> done |
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| 19:16.42 | karl_w_w | makes sense |
| 19:17.20 | Elkano | google for FaceTrackNoIR; works with a web cam; I've used it with ETS2 |
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| 19:27.56 | Lanerra | Apparently, running ChatFrame1:GetMessageInfo(<any index number>) will always return an accessID, lineID, and extraData of 0, which means that when ChatFrame1:RemoveMessagesByAccessID(accessID) is called it seems to delete everything currently in the chatframe... |
| 19:32.35 | Lanerra | Oh, woah, no. All of the addon loading spam apparently has an accessID of 0. Not sure why all of the different lines would share the same access and lineID. It seems to me that anything fired off on P_L or P_E_W would have a 0 ID |
| 19:33.42 | Semlar | the access id is basically a reference to the chat message type |
| 19:35.26 | Semlar | Lanerra: you might try just inserting the messages you want to keep into a table and calling Clear() on the chat frame and reinserting the rest |
| 19:36.17 | Lanerra | Think I'll do that, yeah. Seems a bit clunky, but I suppose it does what I want. Thanks again for all the help, Semlar |
| 19:37.38 | Semlar | make sure you keep all of the arguments from GetMessageInfo so you can put them back into AddMessage |
| 19:39.28 | Semlar | they do this http://pastebin.com/8Ybakp5S in the framexml to copy messages from one frame into another one |
| 19:42.12 | Semlar | i'm not sure if you need to change the lineID when you call AddMessage |
| 19:42.27 | Lanerra | Good call, I'll definitely try that |
| 19:42.52 | Neffi | semlar |
| 19:42.55 | Semlar | neffi |
| 19:43.03 | Neffi | watchoo doin |
| 19:43.23 | Semlar | i think you know |
| 19:44.03 | Neffi | i dooo |
| 19:45.11 | Semlar | you seem to be running an excess of Os |
| 19:45.41 | Neffi | It's a known problem. I've got an appointment today about i.t\ |
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| 19:47.14 | GraphicG | Stupid computer |
| 19:50.35 | Shirik | does anyone have a regex tester easily available that is not a web browser? |
| 19:51.03 | kd3 | AWB? |
| 19:51.06 | Shirik | I want to know if this matches xxxxx: ^(?!(xx+?)\1+)$ |
| 19:51.13 | Shirik | I don't have AWB actually, lol |
| 19:51.29 | Shirik | oh I see why it doesn't match |
| 19:51.31 | Shirik | nm! |
| 19:52.16 | Shirik | the $ needs to be inside the last ) |
| 19:52.17 | Shirik | all done |
| 19:54.32 | Semlar | really? |
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| 19:55.35 | Semlar | that would seem to indicate that it's actually capturing $ |
| 19:59.46 | Shirik | I want to confirm that I have tested the negative lookahead against the entire string, but the lookahead doesn't actually consume any letters |
| 20:00.00 | Shirik | so when it gets to the $ it would not have consumed any letters, and would fail on anything except the empty string |
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| 20:26.21 | Lanerra | Yay, got it working! |
| 20:26.53 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 20:27.30 | Icicle | I'd like to work in C++ kplzthx |
| 20:27.53 | Lanerra | What a pain in the ass that was |
| 20:28.19 | Icicle | trying not to delete everything in the chat frame? |
| 20:28.39 | Lanerra | Trying to remove anything with an accessID of 0, EXCEPT for one particular line |
| 20:29.10 | Lanerra | It appears that any ChatFrame message having to do with an addon loading, has an accessID of 0 everytime |
| 20:29.58 | Icicle | so what was the solution in the end? |
| 20:30.05 | Lanerra | I basically had to parse everything in the ChatFrame at P_E_W, put the line I wanted into a variable, remove anything with an accessID of 0, and then re-add the line I wanted back to the ChatFrame |
| 20:30.22 | Icicle | sounds messy |
| 20:30.27 | Icicle | is there no trim function? |
| 20:30.49 | Lanerra | ...a trim function? |
| 20:31.04 | Icicle | <--lua noob, php background |
| 20:31.35 | Lanerra | Oh, god, I thought I had missed a one line solution or something. Was about to flip out |
| 20:31.55 | Icicle | sorry sorry, :) |
| 20:32.17 | Lanerra | http://pastie.org/8601531 |
| 20:32.23 | Lanerra | That's what I wound up using |
| 20:34.01 | Icicle | What's this? text, _, _, _ = |
| 20:34.04 | Icicle | never seen this syntax before |
| 20:34.12 | Icicle | line #7 |
| 20:34.49 | Semlar | he's assigning multiple variables |
| 20:34.58 | nevcairiel | .. to the garbage variable |
| 20:35.00 | Semlar | also leaking a global _ |
| 20:35.02 | Lanerra | GetMessageInfo returns several variables. I only wanted the first one, so I use underscores to basically 'throw away' the arguements returned that I didn't want |
| 20:35.15 | nevcairiel | you dont need _ at the end |
| 20:35.25 | nevcairiel | text = ... would do the same |
| 20:35.40 | nevcairiel | any additional return values at the end of the list are discarded automatically |
| 20:35.44 | Semlar | but you shouldn't be discarding those |
| 20:35.53 | Semlar | you should be saving all of the information from GetMessageInfo |
| 20:35.59 | nevcairiel | note that "_" is a normal variable, its not a special keyword or something |
| 20:36.10 | nevcairiel | so you also need to define it as a a local variable if oyu use it |
| 20:36.11 | Icicle | (before it gets too off track, thanks for explaining :)) |
| 20:36.14 | Lanerra | Why not? The info beyond 'text' isn't needed to add it back to the ChatFrame |
| 20:36.15 | nevcairiel | it bad things can happen |
| 20:36.23 | Lanerra | No problem, Icicle! |
| 20:36.24 | Stanzilla | sometimes nevcairiel happens |
| 20:36.48 | nevcairiel | happens to Stanzilla's git repository |
| 20:36.50 | nevcairiel | oops |
| 20:37.01 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 20:37.03 | Lanerra | Well, I'll be damned. Never knew that, nevcairiel, thanks! |
| 20:37.04 | Semlar | when you're inserting the message back into the chat you need to keep its colors, access ID and "extraData" |
| 20:37.23 | Semlar | even though YOU aren't using that information something else might be |
| 20:37.53 | Lanerra | The colors are kept with my implementation, actually. As for AddMessage, the accessID and extraData are both 0, anyway |
| 20:38.26 | Semlar | the colors are likely only kept because they happen to be the default |
| 20:38.40 | Lanerra | No, actually, there's custom coloring int he string |
| 20:38.57 | nevcairiel | inline color codes are always kept of course |
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| 20:39.04 | Semlar | well, embedded colors are not the same as the string color |
| 20:39.28 | Semlar | even if they're overriding it something might be using the color as an identifier or something |
| 20:39.36 | Lanerra | Hmmmm... |
| 20:41.17 | Semlar | anyway, you should keep the message as close to the original as possible |
| 20:42.38 | Lanerra | Think I'll do that, then, yeah. Good point. Better to be safe than sorry |
| 20:44.17 | Semlar | you also don't need to call ChatFrame1:GetMessageInfo(i) twice |
| 20:44.43 | Semlar | the if statement is kind of unnecessary |
| 20:45.45 | Lanerra | Ah, thanks for that. Still learning my way around |
| 20:46.21 | Semlar | you should do like local text, etc = ChatFrame1:GetMessageInfo(i) and then if you need to check its return values then add something like "if text then" after that |
| 20:46.33 | Lanerra | So, I'm a bit confused; how does using that "..." work? |
| 20:48.26 | Semlar | ... is a vararg containing a variable number of arguments being fed to the function |
| 20:49.34 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: It appears webkit doesn't support backreference conditionals :( |
| 20:50.11 | Semlar | basically if you have something like function foobar(...) then ... will contain all of the arguments passed to that function |
| 20:51.01 | Lanerra | Oh, I see. That clears that up, thanks |
| 20:52.14 | Semlar | if you call foobar("one", "two", "three") then you define function foobar(...) local a, b, c = ... then it's like local a, b, c = "one", "two", "three" |
| 20:53.09 | Lanerra | Ah, okay. That's rather handy |
| 20:53.29 | Lanerra | Well, I fixed it so it properly feeds back in the original values it had before during the AddMessage |
| 20:53.36 | Lanerra | Also, no more _ leak |
| 20:53.58 | Semlar | if you have function foobar(a, ...) then ... will not contain the first argument |
| 20:56.00 | Lanerra | I'll have to remember that for later. Still figuring out how some of this works. Might have to go back and rewrite some stuff, then |
| 21:11.52 | Neffi | Jesus Christ the new Google Maps is terrible for directions |
| 21:12.34 | Neffi | It's got the wrong name for bridges. If you pull up the textual directions it shrinks the map to uselesness and disallows zoom by scrolling. Very awkward and shitty. |
| 21:13.24 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.13 | Neffi | i was bored |
| 21:14.30 | Semlar | why.. why would a program make its own set of rules for pattern matching |
| 21:14.54 | nevcairiel | cause |
| 21:15.11 | Semlar | just to mess with people? |
| 21:15.31 | Semlar | it's even calling them regular expressions |
| 21:15.32 | nevcairiel | use a proper editor already, ultraedit is so 90s |
| 21:15.42 | Neffi | maybe he thought people would find it impressive that he invented his own version of regex all by himself |
| 21:22.16 | Semlar | reinvents neffi |
| 21:24.38 | kd3 | yeowch. the forecast is calling for a low of 5F monday night |
| 21:26.06 | Semlar | we have lows near 60 |
| 21:26.49 | Semlar | if it makes you feel any better |
| 21:26.57 | Icicle | no understand farenheiht anymore :( |
| 21:27.05 | Icicle | its 10 C here |
| 21:28.50 | Cairenn | Positively balmy here atm, it's on -14C |
| 21:28.56 | Cairenn | s/on/only |
| 21:31.20 | Torhal | pokes purl. |
| 21:31.28 | Torhal | Oh, no trailing slash |
| 21:45.22 | Fisker | It's not even winter here |
| 21:46.00 | Shirik | ........ |
| 21:46.05 | Shirik | every so often gnu fortune gets me |
| 21:46.17 | Shirik | I have my login configured to automatically run fortune on login |
| 21:46.28 | Shirik | this time it was "panic: kernel trap (ignored)" |
| 21:46.41 | Shirik | I spent about 45 seconds staring at it until I realized it was fortune saying that |
| 21:47.34 | Fisker | You activated its trap card |
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| 21:54.23 | Ackis | nevcairiel: did you have any issues setting up your transmission server? daemon isn't stopping for me and it's overwriting the config file |
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| 22:01.26 | nevcairiel | dont remember any issues |
| 22:01.44 | nevcairiel | my distro package even has a init script |
| 22:02.17 | Ackis | yeah it's running fine but default settings don't work for me =/ |
| 22:02.59 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: ok this site is awesome. Just this feature is awesome. http://online-go.com/game/review/6645 |
| 22:03.04 | Straypacket | hopefully this is the right place for this question: I'd like to disable the item comparison tooltip - I can't find any (recent) /script commands via google... Is there a one-liner to do that? |
| 22:04.40 | Neffi | well let's see |
| 22:04.41 | nevcairiel | ackis: all i remember is that it needs to be off to edit the config file |
| 22:04.45 | Neffi | ~framexml |
| 22:04.45 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml . |
| 22:06.09 | Neffi | Straypacket: first try the following: /console alwayscompareitems 0 |
| 22:06.21 | Neffi | that should stick between sessions. if it doesn't work, lemme know |
| 22:06.56 | Primer | this is unexpected...I bought The Sims + University Life for my daughter on steam, but now she wants Island Paradise, which is discounted on Origin ($39.99 on Stream vs. $17.99 on Origin), and all 3 show up on origin |
| 22:07.04 | Primer | I wonder if all 3 will show up on steam too |
| 22:07.13 | Straypacket | beautiful :) let me exit the game and see if it sticks. |
| 22:07.19 | Neffi | no need to exit |
| 22:07.29 | Neffi | it should start working immediately |
| 22:07.59 | Straypacket | it did work immediately, just checking to see if it is still working after I re-enter wow. |
| 22:08.25 | Neffi | It will |
| 22:08.27 | Primer | doesn't look like it |
| 22:08.33 | Neffi | If that fails sometimes, try this: /run for _,t in pairs(GameTooltip.shoppingTooltips) do t:Hide() t:SetScript('OnShow',t.Hide) end |
| 22:08.42 | Neffi | That needs to be run once per sesson |
| 22:08.45 | Neffi | session, rather |
| 22:09.14 | Neffi | Or throw it in a DevPad page and set it to auto-run on login |
| 22:10.28 | Straypacket | OK, I will copy the second bit of code and keep it around if the first method ever fails. BTW - is devpad a wow thing or a programmers editor, or .. ? |
| 22:10.38 | Neffi | It's a WoW addon |
| 22:10.44 | Ackis | Primer: iirc you need to activate the games on origin so it's like a second set of DRM... any that you activate/buy from origin/steam will show up on origin, but only the ones bought from steam will show up on steam |
| 22:10.50 | Neffi | Gives you an in-game notepad that's capable of running scripts |
| 22:11.01 | Neffi | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info19403-_DevPad.html |
| 22:11.39 | Primer | Ackis: The installer is telling me this expansion needs the original Sims game now |
| 22:11.49 | Primer | which is already installed, but from steam |
| 22:11.55 | Primer | this seems like quite the clusterfuck |
| 22:12.01 | Straypacket | very nice. thank you! Since I'm a noob to Lua and the WoW API, is there a current reference that is considered "the standard"? |
| 22:12.10 | Neffi | wowpedia.org |
| 22:12.11 | Icicle | probably just a directory location problem |
| 22:12.13 | Neffi | and |
| 22:12.15 | Neffi | ~framexml |
| 22:12.16 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml . |
| 22:12.24 | Neffi | which is all the code of the default UI |
| 22:12.44 | Straypacket | k. so, "use the source, luke" ... |
| 22:12.57 | Neffi | Well, use wowpedia, but the source is a good backup |
| 22:13.05 | Straypacket | ;) thx all! |
| 22:13.08 | Neffi | Wowpedia is community-maintained, so not everything is documented, but it's very good |
| 22:17.29 | jleclanche | anyone on debian or a debian-like machine with a full desktop installed? |
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| 22:17.59 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: here? |
| 22:18.15 | MoonWitch | @Icicle My apologies for derailing that "Hi, I am me" thread. |
| 22:18.17 | jleclanche | i need the output of ls /usr/bin/x-* |
| 22:18.34 | Icicle | *mrow? |
| 22:18.44 | Icicle | there was a derailing? |
| 22:18.57 | Icicle | HOLY SHIT |
| 22:19.00 | Icicle | how many pageviews does it have |
| 22:19.10 | MoonWitch | We went from welcome, to female satyr legs? |
| 22:19.27 | Icicle | I clearly need to visit the forums more often |
| 22:19.37 | MoonWitch | almost 1.7k now |
| 22:19.52 | MoonWitch | It's what happens |
| 22:20.07 | MoonWitch | but hey, we only derail when we think the OP can handle it ;) |
| 22:21.17 | Icicle | no worries |
| 22:21.25 | Icicle | where you from (seeing you are on EU) |
| 22:21.55 | MoonWitch | Belgium |
| 22:22.08 | Icicle | ah cool just an hour train ride from Cologne |
| 22:22.12 | MoonWitch | indeed |
| 22:22.17 | MoonWitch | So do you speak french? |
| 22:23.16 | Icicle | en peu |
| 22:23.25 | Icicle | pourquoi? |
| 22:23.53 | MoonWitch | Oh just curious, I only speak a little though. I'm working in BXL :P |
| 22:23.59 | MoonWitch | BXL (Bruxelles) |
| 22:24.22 | Icicle | ah okay, same really I studied french all my life... but I landed in Germany |
| 22:24.24 | Icicle | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.51 | jleclanche | you studied french all your life and cant say "a little" without typoing it? |
| 22:25.01 | Icicle | The American way! |
| 22:25.37 | Icicle | it never helped that every time I went to France they'd tell me never to speak French because of my horrible accent |
| 22:25.51 | Icicle | so F*** the French, sorry French Friends |
| 22:26.14 | MoonWitch | On peut seulement apprendre le Français par le parler, même quand le parleur a un accent terrible. |
| 22:26.29 | MoonWitch | We can only learn French by speaking it, even if the speaker has a horrible accent. |
| 22:27.09 | MoonWitch | Now, German, I can't speak at all |
| 22:27.16 | jleclanche | "parleur" |
| 22:27.17 | jleclanche | how belgian |
| 22:27.36 | Icicle | My german is getting better |
| 22:27.53 | Icicle | *shrugs* its not needed for my work though |
| 22:27.55 | MoonWitch | I did say "I speak a little", so yes, I speak belgian french. |
| 22:28.01 | Icicle | so im a bit disheartened to learn |
| 22:28.14 | jleclanche | MoonWitch: I'm teasing |
| 22:28.27 | jleclanche | i have to go to brussels next month for fosdem |
| 22:28.29 | jleclanche | i loved it last year |
| 22:28.53 | MoonWitch | jleclanche: I know. I do try. I am probably one of the few flemish who actually makes an effort to approach our french speaking co-workers in french :) |
| 22:29.02 | MoonWitch | Never got to go, still want to though |
| 22:29.11 | jleclanche | to fosdem? go |
| 22:30.49 | MoonWitch | good point |
| 22:30.54 | MoonWitch | but don't we need tickets? |
| 22:31.00 | jleclanche | no |
| 22:31.05 | jleclanche | i dont think so at least, i went as speaker |
| 22:31.07 | MoonWitch | (I actually travel for free to brussels lol) |
| 22:31.43 | jleclanche | yeah you dont need tickets as attendee either |
| 22:33.05 | nevcairiel | yeah fosdem is completely free |
| 22:34.29 | Stanzilla | jnwhiteh: can I prevent spotify from p2ping? |
| 22:34.57 | MoonWitch | Awesome, chances then are that I will attend |
| 22:35.02 | MoonWitch | I'll let you know |
| 22:36.10 | jleclanche | cool |
| 22:36.15 | jleclanche | anyone else going btw? |
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| 22:36.49 | Icicle | busy with website work, can't go until launch in mid february |
| 22:36.51 | Icicle | :( |
| 22:37.43 | nevcairiel | sadly i'm flying to the US that weekend, so nope |
| 22:39.49 | MoonWitch | You all lead exciting lives :( |
| 22:40.11 | MoonWitch | btw anyone else doing stuff with powershell and AD? |
| 22:40.43 | Ackis | it seems easier for me to just download movies instead of trying to figure out how to rip my dvd's or blu-rays |
| 22:40.56 | nevcairiel | use makemkv, done |
| 22:41.22 | Ackis | didn't work for my blu-rays |
| 22:41.33 | Semlar | neffi http://i.imgur.com/rLGO7ck.jpg |
| 22:41.57 | nevcairiel | i use makemkv for blu-rays on a regular basis, works just fine :d |
| 22:42.33 | MoonWitch | is completely gobsmacked by the minimap |
| 22:43.19 | Semlar | doesn't look like labeling everything on the minimap is going to work |
| 22:43.22 | Ackis | nevcairiel: do you decrypt the video files? |
| 22:43.40 | nevcairiel | makemkv does that, you cant put encrypted data in a mkv |
| 22:44.35 | Ackis | hmm I'll try again then |
| 22:48.36 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.09 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: roughly how long does it take to rip a blu-ray? (and if you've tried, DVD) |
| 22:50.25 | nevcairiel | as long as your drive takes to copy it off the disc? |
| 22:51.02 | zenzelezz | okay, so nothing much special it has to do then... sweet. I may have to actually do that to my DVD collection (or at least the ones worth watching) |
| 22:51.24 | foxlit | keep in mind: transcoding not included. |
| 22:51.42 | nevcairiel | it doesnt re-compress it or anything, so it'll not get much smaller, except of course the space any extras needed or additional audio tracks that you dont keep |
| 22:57.12 | Neffi | Semlar: I'll try it out later |
| 22:57.21 | Neffi | Semlar: I just reinstalled wow and I'm gonna resub eventually |
| 22:57.33 | Neffi | but yes the overlapping text is ahuge problem at that scale |
| 22:58.02 | Semlar | it needs more sanity checks because apparently astrolabe doesn't always return all the info |
| 22:58.13 | Semlar | i should have just included my own function |
| 22:58.26 | Neffi | zenzelezz: IF you've got the space to spare, you could save on quality and rip time by just pulling the m2ts stream out and packing it in a container |
| 22:58.29 | Neffi | No encoding necessary |
| 22:58.37 | nevcairiel | thats what makemkv does |
| 22:58.49 | nevcairiel | its just a 1:1 copy into mkv by default |
| 22:58.54 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: still need that |
| 22:58.55 | nevcairiel | it can also re-compress audio if you tell it to |
| 22:59.00 | nevcairiel | but i dont do that |
| 22:59.02 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: ls /usr/bin/x-* |
| 22:59.02 | jleclanche | yeah |
| 22:59.06 | Neffi | That's hands down the best quality, but obviously the highest file size |
| 22:59.23 | Icicle | what about just buying the videos legally? ^^ |
| 22:59.34 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: /usr/bin/x-session-manager@ /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator@ /usr/bin/x-window-manager@ /usr/bin/x-www-browser@ |
| 22:59.42 | jleclanche | aha, x-session-manager |
| 22:59.45 | jleclanche | thanks |
| 22:59.52 | Neffi | That's what we're talking about. Buy the bluray legally and then copy the stream into a container so you can store it on your computer. |
| 23:00.06 | Icicle | ah sorry missed that |
| 23:00.07 | Neffi | I've never actually been able to find 1:1 stream rips on piracy sites. I doubt they exist |
| 23:00.12 | Icicle | lemmee see I used a toiol wile back |
| 23:00.13 | nevcairiel | they do exist |
| 23:00.31 | nevcairiel | usually as blu-ray ISO or blu-ray structure |
| 23:00.40 | nevcairiel | not a 1:1 rip to mkv |
| 23:00.43 | Arrowmaster | they are rare |
| 23:00.46 | Neffi | Ah, well my measly 240 GB HDD won't like stream rips |
| 23:01.03 | Neffi | I pretty much have to go with 4~6 GB 720 rips |
| 23:01.23 | Icicle | cant seem to find it |
| 23:01.23 | Semlar | i reuploaded it with more sanity chex |
| 23:01.31 | Icicle | I had to do this awhile back when I moved from U.S. to Scotland |
| 23:01.38 | nevcairiel | you can probably take a blu-ray movie and compress it to half its size without any visual quality loss anyhow |
| 23:01.48 | Arrowmaster | ive seen a 1:1 rip to mkv (or mp4) but it was a foreign film that needed people to create subs for it so it was just a raw upload |
| 23:01.52 | Icicle | it was either give up my whole collection or go ditital ^^ |
| 23:02.08 | Neffi | Yeah, I'd have to know a bit about x264 |
| 23:02.21 | Arrowmaster | you can get 1/4th without any visual loss most the time |
| 23:02.36 | Neffi | I remember somebody saying ~20 GB for a 1080p rip should be indistinguishable from the source for a typical movie |
| 23:02.51 | Arrowmaster | 10GB is to me |
| 23:02.59 | Neffi | And down to 15 for some movies. And this isn't anime content, which can be compressed much better |
| 23:03.21 | Icicle | anime can be compressed better? |
| 23:03.22 | Icicle | why? |
| 23:03.30 | nevcairiel | flat color surfaces |
| 23:03.33 | nevcairiel | easy to compress |
| 23:03.38 | Neffi | Large swaths of like color. It makes it very easy to compress. |
| 23:03.47 | nevcairiel | real life footage has much more "noise" in the images |
| 23:03.56 | Arrowmaster | it depends on how much motion, an action movie will need more than a romcom |
| 23:03.59 | Icicle | wouldnt that apply onl to older anmies though |
| 23:04.08 | Neffi | When you think about it, there's much less raw information in an anime image, than a real picture. So it stands to reason that good compression techniques can get it to much smaller sizes. |
| 23:04.26 | Icicle | newer animes have pretty intense color/ action scenes |
| 23:04.36 | nevcairiel | animation is always easier to compress, it never gets as much noise and grain as any live action footage |
| 23:04.37 | Arrowmaster | look up mbtree too, its an encoding technique that was created specifically for anime because of the static backgrounds |
| 23:04.51 | Neffi | Unless it has things like brush strokes from being hand-painted, it still doesnt have as much raw information as film does, especially when you factor in grain |
| 23:05.06 | Stanzilla | oooh nice https://github.com/ShareX/ShareX/pull/30 |
| 23:05.18 | Stanzilla | znf: ^ |
| 23:05.29 | Arrowmaster | a lot of sub groups will apply smoothing filters to anime before encoding too which reduces the noise and filesize |
| 23:06.25 | nevcairiel | anyhow, many blu-rays are only 30gb if you take out extras and stuff, you can safely get that to 15gb with "naive" encoding settings. If you want to go < 10GB you probably need to know a bit more about x264 - assuming live action content |
| 23:07.09 | nevcairiel | and < 10gb also means you should get rid of the HD audio |
| 23:07.15 | Neffi | In my eyes quality is king. I'd sacrifice performance in favor of storage on my next computer build, because I don't want to sacrifice quality at all. |
| 23:07.35 | nevcairiel | its very rare to see rips on the web which retain the HD audio |
| 23:07.50 | Neffi | I've never actually seen one, but I'm sure I can find some on PTP |
| 23:07.51 | Icicle | such a shame |
| 23:07.54 | nevcairiel | usually its the core audio from the disc, or in some cases even re-encoded |
| 23:08.30 | Neffi | I wish more rips maintained HD audio, because I'm looking to shell out cash for very good headphones and amp soon |
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| 23:08.45 | nevcairiel | i havent downloaded a movie in years really, i despise low-quality cinema rips, and once its out on BD i might as well buy it |
| 23:09.13 | Neffi | Yeah, I buy when I can. I pirate when it's the circumstance that I wouldn't or can't buy anyway. |
| 23:09.17 | nevcairiel | Neffi: well its still questionable if you can really hear the difference, like at all, but shrug |
| 23:09.47 | nevcairiel | i certainly can't, my ears are too weak |
| 23:09.55 | Neffi | nevcairiel: If the rip is very good, I agree. But how often do you see "omg perfect v10 a10" and the audio is terrible? |
| 23:09.58 | Neffi | It's pretty common |
| 23:09.59 | nevcairiel | but i still keep the HD audio because i can |
| 23:10.22 | nevcairiel | well, thats why you should hope they take the original audio from the disc |
| 23:10.25 | nevcairiel | even if without the HD part |
| 23:10.28 | Neffi | I also train heavily on the types of sounds that don't compress well, like the subtle variations in cymbal strikes, because I'm sort of a drummer at heart |
| 23:10.47 | Neffi | But I agree those are the only sounds that I can tell the difference with, and only if I struggle and use very, very good headphones |
| 23:10.48 | Icicle | as am I, but because of DDR and not due to any musical talent |
| 23:10.48 | nevcairiel | of course its usually a bit higher bitrate, so they might re-compress |
| 23:11.34 | Neffi | well, off to dinner. ta. |
| 23:11.45 | Semlar-Laptop | no neffi |
| 23:11.55 | Semlar-Laptop | i thought you were in the wrong timezone for that |
| 23:12.09 | nevcairiel | neffi is murican |
| 23:12.24 | Neffi | im in your timezone semlar |
| 23:12.34 | Semlar-Laptop | are you stalking me |
| 23:12.56 | Neffi | I live like a million miles away |
| 23:12.58 | Neffi | in NYC |
| 23:13.05 | Icicle | NYC is damn cold atm :D |
| 23:13.05 | Semlar-Laptop | i see |
| 23:13.06 | Neffi | but yes I am stalking you |
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| 23:13.15 | Neffi | and now I need to leave. bye sweetums |
| 23:13.50 | Semlar-Laptop | ta ta |
| 23:15.34 | MoonWitch | is going to actually play some wow :P |
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| 23:27.29 | jleclanche | I will give a fucking medal to anyone who is actually able to figure this bug out |
| 23:27.31 | jleclanche | https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=59491 |
| 23:27.37 | jleclanche | or even figure out a way to *reliably* reproduce it |
| 23:27.57 | jleclanche | i swear to god, fixing this shit should be a free pass into google |
| 23:29.22 | Ackis | nevcairiel: it ripped it but I have no clue what it did, there's 117 movie files O_o |
| 23:30.29 | Icicle | only happens in linux then |
| 23:30.48 | nevcairiel | it'll show you a dialog to pick the ones you want, blu-rays have quite a bit of "noise" from short clips for menus and extras and whatnot |
| 23:31.01 | nevcairiel | so usually just pick the longest title and uncheck all the others, and let it do its job |
| 23:31.16 | jleclanche | Icicle: some dude said it happens on OSX but i dont really believe it |
| 23:31.18 | nevcairiel | also check the audio streams you want, and voila |
| 23:31.57 | Icicle | I love a challenge jleclanche but I dont have the environment setup to try and test :( |
| 23:32.06 | jleclanche | Icicle: NOBODY does |
| 23:32.20 | jleclanche | this requires running a browser continuously for like a week before the bug even starts happening |
| 23:32.50 | jleclanche | oh and guess what, on some environments it simply never happens |
| 23:32.54 | Icicle | neat |
| 23:33.06 | jleclanche | and it is completely IMPOSSIBLE to tell why it stops happening |
| 23:33.07 | Icicle | so some random 1 turns to a 0 within a weeks time? |
| 23:33.21 | jleclanche | its not that random |
| 23:33.32 | jleclanche | ive narrowed it down quite a bit |
| 23:33.41 | Ackis | nevcairiel: ahh so I rip it and then open the bdmv index file? or is there a better process? |
| 23:33.59 | nevcairiel | put the disc in, open makemkv? |
| 23:34.14 | jleclanche | easier to reproduce with high CPU usage, reproducible on both kwin and openbox, compositing on and off, flash is somehow involved |
| 23:34.40 | Ackis | nevcairiel: when I put the blu-ray in a list of titles didn't show up |
| 23:35.48 | nevcairiel | Ackis: its really quite simple, you put the disc in, you open makemkv, you press the big button in the middle of the screen that looks like a disc drive - then it does its thing for a couple seconds and brings up the title list afterwards |
| 23:36.10 | Ackis | yeah not getting that at all with blu-rays |
| 23:36.27 | nevcairiel | which version? |
| 23:36.48 | Ackis | 1.8.7 winx64 |
| 23:37.10 | nevcairiel | works fine here |
| 23:37.47 | nevcairiel | if you have multiple drives, you should also make sure its actually selected the BD drive in its main dialog :p |
| 23:38.05 | Ackis | I'm a dumbass but not that dumbassed :P |
| 23:38.22 | nevcairiel | the tool is really not hard to use, so i draw my own conclusions! |
| 23:40.58 | nevcairiel | here, i made a screenshot for you! |
| 23:41.00 | nevcairiel | http://i.imgur.com/9m2UUpo.png |
| 23:41.08 | nevcairiel | simply opened makemkv, it finds disc |
| 23:41.13 | nevcairiel | i press the blue highlighted button :P |
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| 23:43.04 | nevcairiel | afterwards, stuff happens for a bit, then this dialog comes up: http://i.imgur.com/iXwtJr5.png |
| 23:43.25 | nevcairiel | i unselect all titles (right-click menu has unselect all option), and only pick the one i want, and the audio/subs i want |
| 23:43.35 | nevcairiel | press button in top right corner to start working |
| 23:43.35 | Iriel | Could it be a limitation of his BD drive or the drivers for that drive? |
| 23:43.36 | nevcairiel | done |
| 23:44.38 | nevcairiel | drives typically dont have drivers |
| 23:44.40 | Iriel | Also, since nobody answered me yesterday: Does anyone have any experience/recommendations for an external RAID enclosure - Thunderbolt or eSATA that's reliable and QUIET (in the 2-5 drive range) |
| 23:44.44 | nevcairiel | i suppose the drive could be dumb or something |
| 23:44.56 | nevcairiel | but never heard of that |
| 23:50.05 | nevcairiel | Iriel: I did a bit of research on that a while ago, and those are really rare or crappy. They want you to buy a ethernet NAS box instead |
| 23:50.58 | nevcairiel | i would've even gone for external SAS connector, although SAS is enterprisy so it gets expensive fast |
| 23:51.28 | Iriel | Well, i'm preparing for the high probablily of getting one of the new mac pros |
| 23:51.36 | Iriel | and it doesn't have a SAS port |
| 23:51.42 | Dagmar | THat would imply there is a point at which SAS is *not* expensive. |
| 23:51.48 | nevcairiel | nothing does, you need to buy a card :) |
| 23:51.48 | Iriel | Exterprise stuff tends not to be QUIET either |
| 23:51.52 | Iriel | since they figure it's in a datacenter |
| 23:51.55 | Iriel | and cooling |
| 23:52.00 | Iriel | is going to be louder than your machines |
| 23:52.39 | nevcairiel | sas controllers are surprisingly cheap, at least some of them, and its compatible with sata drives, so i got one to run my internal media storage |
| 23:52.42 | Iriel | I suspect my wife would object to converting the guest bedroom into a mini data center |
| 23:56.14 | nevcairiel | all the home stuff is usually a full blown NAT these days |
| 23:56.24 | nevcairiel | if you're lucky you can attach them over iSCSI |
| 23:56.25 | Ackis | Iriel: do it slowly a piece at a time and maybe she won't notice until it's too late? |
| 23:56.36 | nevcairiel | anyway time for sleep |
| 23:56.42 | Iriel | Im not averse to "small office" prices, but the noise thing is an issue for me |
| 23:56.45 | nevcairiel | s/NAT/NAS/ |
| 23:56.51 | Iriel | Ackis: the office has already sort of done that |
| 23:58.21 | Icicle | night night guys and girls |
| 23:58.23 | Icicle | sleep well |
