| 00:04.56 | zenzelezz | kd3: "Nevrenrothas!" |
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| 00:55.29 | kd3 | well, I think the only day I'm missing is day 9 |
| 01:28.56 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.52 | Amarande | so, who's the new Warchief, or is it still going to be Garrosh thanks to the whole bit about not really doing anything with Old Azeroth this time around heh |
| 01:58.15 | Stanzilla | defeat garrosh and you will see in the video |
| 01:58.34 | karl_w_w | as if it wasn't plainly obvious already |
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| 02:04.42 | Arrowmaster | if you guys havent seen it yet, new HotS matches from the devs with Husky casting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=652N8sOQb4M |
| 02:04.57 | Arrowmaster | the 2nd game is amazing |
| 02:07.46 | Arrowmaster | and the seige tank is shown |
| 02:16.29 | Arrowmaster | anybody have extras of snowglobes 2 5 or 9, ive got extras of 1 and 4 |
| 02:22.29 | Amarande | one of these aeons I may actually get into the steam trading cards thing, heh |
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| 03:43.39 | airtonix | lol@transcendance: using windows 7 |
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| 04:06.07 | pompy | https://www.facebook.com/ign/posts/10151898321856633:0 |
| 04:06.27 | pompy | i like all the comments on the values that gamestop would give him total wise for the trade in of everything |
| 04:12.14 | A-KO | sup pompy |
| 04:12.26 | pompy | nm |
| 04:12.38 | A-KO | lol |
| 04:12.40 | A-KO | $80 at gamestop |
| 04:12.43 | A-KO | that's sadly probably true |
| 04:13.19 | pompy | yeah another was $3.75 or $20 |
| 04:18.27 | A-KO | lol |
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| 05:20.17 | Neffi | Semlar: semlarrrr |
| 05:20.36 | Semlar | neff |
| 05:21.04 | Neffi | Semlar: I'm drunk and it's all your fault |
| 05:21.16 | Semlar | did i drive you to drinkin |
| 05:21.25 | Neffi | mhmm |
| 05:21.29 | Semlar | you're welcome |
| 05:21.38 | Neffi | thank you |
| 05:22.30 | pompy | you two |
| 05:23.26 | Semlar | neffi |
| 05:23.31 | Neffi | semlar |
| 05:23.41 | Semlar | i wrote |
| 05:23.46 | Semlar | an addon |
| 05:23.52 | Neffi | Not a novel? |
| 05:23.58 | Semlar | too many words |
| 05:24.02 | Neffi | kk |
| 05:24.10 | Neffi | What addon? |
| 05:24.12 | Semlar | that puts mushrooms |
| 05:24.21 | Semlar | on the doors |
| 05:24.38 | Neffi | Jim Morrison would look good with a mushroom |
| 05:24.44 | Neffi | But I'm sure he's had many |
| 05:25.22 | Neffi | link? |
| 05:26.01 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.16 | Neffi | that's really beautiful |
| 05:26.24 | Semlar | i thought you might appreciate it |
| 05:26.37 | Neffi | When are you gonna geef me your map addon? |
| 05:26.47 | Semlar | umm |
| 05:27.01 | Semlar | is that what you want for christmas |
| 05:27.10 | Neffi | yeh |
| 05:27.40 | Semlar | the one with the mushrooms |
| 05:27.45 | Neffi | sure |
| 05:29.06 | airtonix | bromance |
| 05:29.19 | Neffi | it's guy love, between two guys |
| 05:29.20 | airtonix | only a little r rated |
| 05:30.15 | Neffi | http://youtu.be/lL4L4Uv5rf0 |
| 05:31.10 | Stanzilla | I read that as "only a little retard" |
| 05:31.40 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.54 | Neffi | Neffikins was the name of my first rogue |
| 05:31.57 | Semlar | i have no idea what this does |
| 05:31.57 | Neffi | You know me so well |
| 05:32.20 | Semlar | nothing good i'm sure |
| 05:32.34 | Neffi | I'm sure it's wonderful if you made it |
| 05:32.41 | Semlar | that doesn't sound like me |
| 05:32.56 | Neffi | But it's kind of hard for me to read the code with whiskey in my belly |
| 05:33.28 | Semlar | oh did you want to read it |
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| 05:34.12 | Neffi | It's k. I'll sober up by morning |
| 05:37.50 | Semlar | this is basically the addon i use to display stuff i pull out of the database |
| 05:38.14 | Neffi | Do I need to pull that data out, or is it included? |
| 05:38.20 | Semlar | you don't need to do anything |
| 05:38.38 | Neffi | awesome |
| 05:38.43 | Semlar | it might leak globals all over the place |
| 05:38.51 | Neffi | I'm gonna resub in a few days, so I'll test it out & stalk you |
| 05:39.16 | Semlar | i think it's as close to replacing the stock minimap as is possible |
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| 05:40.03 | Neffi | you do leak some globals |
| 05:40.03 | Semlar | this version isn't as pretty as the minimap i usually use |
| 05:40.15 | Neffi | Label and map are bad names for globals, Semlar |
| 05:40.23 | Semlar | you can't stop me |
| 05:40.30 | Neffi | stops Semlar. |
| 05:40.43 | Semlar | :( |
| 05:40.50 | Neffi | Now I feel bad |
| 05:40.54 | Neffi | lets Semlar resume |
| 05:41.00 | Semlar | hangs |
| 05:41.02 | Shirik | today I encountered the first time having a mac actually posed me a small problem |
| 05:41.07 | Shirik | printing wirelessly to a canon printer |
| 05:41.08 | Shirik | pita |
| 05:41.09 | Shirik | but I got it |
| 05:41.54 | Neffi | To be fair printing has always been problematic. It took a long time for it to become a usable thing on Windows. |
| 05:42.07 | Semlar | did you put the printer next to the computer and yell THE PRINTER IS RIGHT HERE, WHY CAN'T YOU FIND IT |
| 05:44.30 | Semlar | how great would it be if they'd add an api function that returned your character's x,y,z coordinates without relying on the stupid map |
| 05:44.52 | Neffi | Astrolabe? |
| 05:45.37 | Semlar | astrolabe is limited to the map |
| 05:46.16 | Neffi | Never used it, but it seemed likeit would fit |
| 05:46.28 | Neffi | It can't compute your absolute x,y,z coords? |
| 05:46.39 | Semlar | well you can't get your Z at all |
| 05:47.10 | Neffi | Unless you export a heightmap from the files and load that into your addon? |
| 05:47.12 | Semlar | the only positioning we can get is from your character's dot on the map |
| 05:47.38 | Semlar | even with a heightmap you'd be limited to the terrain |
| 05:47.48 | Neffi | ah, yes |
| 05:47.54 | Semlar | you might be able to do some dead reckoning |
| 05:47.56 | Neffi | damn flying mounts |
| 05:48.44 | Semlar | i don't think you can get accurate angular momentum though |
| 05:49.24 | Neffi | why would you need angular momentum? |
| 05:49.30 | Neffi | are you studying the physics of WoW? |
| 05:49.47 | airtonix | are you out to stop him? |
| 05:49.52 | Neffi | yes |
| 05:49.56 | airtonix | facist |
| 05:50.04 | Semlar | to use dead reckoning to get your current location based on where you launched from |
| 05:50.06 | airtonix | get yuuurr pitchforks |
| 05:50.12 | airtonix | pitchforks gooooing cheap |
| 05:50.13 | Neffi | If Semlar becomes successful, he might forget about me, so I need to prevent that |
| 05:51.10 | airtonix | because you're a mere simulation in the quantum computer called the milky way? |
| 05:51.21 | Semlar | if you can get a known point in space for certain you can guess at your current location in the future based on your speed and time traveled |
| 05:51.36 | Neffi | airtonix: maybe you are. I'm The One. |
| 05:51.37 | Semlar | except i don't think you can get everything required to do that in wow |
| 05:52.03 | airtonix | you know Neffi, if reality is a mere simulation. i wonder what happens when skynet becomes self aware. |
| 05:52.03 | Neffi | I'm pretty sure you can get momentum in WoW |
| 05:52.27 | Semlar | you can get your speed but the angle that you're actually flying relative to the horizon i think is off for some reason when you're flying |
| 05:52.30 | airtonix | will it be like consume all resources and cause a kernel panic |
| 05:52.36 | Neffi | airtonix: It doesnt matter until Skynet realized that reality is a simulation, and even then not until it finds a security hole to tunnel through |
| 05:52.52 | Semlar | you need to know the angle you're traveling relative to the ground |
| 05:53.13 | Neffi | Ah yes. You can get your twodimensional x,y momentum |
| 05:53.27 | Neffi | velocity, whatever the word is |
| 05:53.27 | airtonix | Neffi: have you heard the theory of life and why we haven't met other sentient life: because reality is a quantum computer with only enough processing power for one sentient species. |
| 05:53.52 | Neffi | airtonix: then it approximates far off bodies very well |
| 05:54.17 | airtonix | isn't macro more complex than micro? |
| 05:54.19 | Semlar | regardless you run into issues with landing on buildings and rocks and stuff |
| 05:54.26 | Neffi | Who would build such a huge computer to crunch the ridiculous amount of math required just so they can fuck with beings that only exist in their simulation? |
| 05:54.33 | Neffi | (I bet they play GTA) |
| 05:54.53 | airtonix | well we don't live in the simulation, we are the simulation |
| 05:55.05 | Neffi | seems pointless |
| 05:55.17 | Neffi | But if it's true, you have to wonder when they'll decide to turn it off |
| 05:55.27 | Neffi | I've honestly worried about this before |
| 05:55.30 | airtonix | maybe they don't |
| 05:55.36 | airtonix | maybe there is no "they" |
| 05:55.40 | Neffi | "I left this on?! woops" |
| 05:55.42 | airtonix | maybe it was "us" |
| 05:55.54 | airtonix | or what used to be "us" |
| 05:55.55 | Neffi | We could be just an accident waiting to be corrected |
| 05:56.51 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/W9PdWpv.jpg |
| 05:57.03 | airtonix | maybe we are in hibernation waiting out a inter galactic xenophobic robot war |
| 05:57.12 | Neffi | It begs the question: if you realized that software running on your machine had created a full simulated universe with complex simulated life, would it be immoral to terminate it? |
| 05:57.33 | airtonix | you have to work out why it was set in motion first |
| 05:57.54 | airtonix | it's a bit like saying is this an oxygen tube or a sedation tube |
| 05:58.05 | Neffi | If in the end, you had done all your research and essentially got bored with it, is it alright to terminate something that's only virtual? |
| 05:58.27 | airtonix | you assume you have a physical body outside that "virtual" |
| 05:58.33 | airtonix | maybe you don't |
| 05:58.51 | Neffi | I'm of no consequence to the simulated universe, except that i have the power to cancel it |
| 05:58.57 | Neffi | I would struggle with that decision |
| 05:59.14 | airtonix | because your ability to experience things would end |
| 05:59.37 | Neffi | This is moot |
| 05:59.49 | Semlar | no regrets |
| 06:00.20 | Semlar | you know they say nobody who commits suicide ever regrets it |
| 06:00.34 | airtonix | lol |
| 06:00.35 | Neffi | Because they're heathen atheists? |
| 06:00.49 | airtonix | they have written accounts of this right? |
| 06:01.13 | Semlar | i think it's mostly because they're dead |
| 06:01.34 | Neffi | how can they be dead if eyes don't exist? - Jaden Smith |
| 06:04.24 | airtonix | inorite much lulz - Plato |
| 06:04.56 | Semlar | neffi what did you get me for christmas |
| 06:05.55 | Neffi | hands Semlar some pocket lint. |
| 06:06.05 | Semlar | that's what you got me last time! |
| 06:06.12 | Neffi | No need to thank me |
| 06:06.17 | Neffi | Just pay it forward |
| 06:06.18 | Semlar | good |
| 06:07.43 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/26xpIaY.jpg |
| 06:07.59 | Neffi | I'm liking the mushrooms |
| 06:08.10 | Semlar | yes they're very helpful |
| 06:09.40 | Semlar | well i was thinking i wanted to mark doors like diablo but then i thought mushrooms |
| 06:11.10 | Semlar | i'm feeling a bit peckish |
| 06:11.56 | Semlar | you ought to order me a pizza |
| 06:12.24 | Neffi | orders Semlar a pizza. |
| 06:12.33 | Semlar | thx |
| 06:12.46 | Neffi | while you wait, have a chaos pendulum http://i.imgur.com/S6aA4hc.gif |
| 06:13.11 | Semlar | thx |
| 06:13.52 | Neffi | yw |
| 06:13.58 | Semlar | this is not terribly helpful |
| 06:15.17 | Semlar | i really want to map the topology and figure out which doors can actually be accessed from your current location |
| 06:15.55 | Neffi | scrub the wow files? |
| 06:16.38 | Semlar | i don't think it's possible to determine the character's location in-game to a degree that would allow you to figure it out |
| 06:19.30 | Semlar | well, if you know the character couldn't fly an knew where every bloody wall was, maybe |
| 06:20.02 | Semlar | i'll basically have to do pathing like a bot |
| 06:21.08 | Semlar | i was toying with the idea of generating a map like monaco's |
| 06:21.36 | Semlar | have you ever played monaco |
| 06:26.05 | Neffi | It's monaco a country? |
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| 06:27.08 | Amarande | hah are you sure you want to do pathing like a bot? bots are pretty stupid :) |
| 06:27.33 | Amarande | let's put it this way, I had competition from apparently *two* bots mining saronite in Sholazar one night, and I easily out-competed them for well over a half hour heh |
| 06:30.45 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:30.56 | Neffi | Semlar: pretty |
| 06:31.29 | Semlar | it basically uncovered what was in your line of sight |
| 06:31.54 | Semlar | the rest looked like the blueprints to a building |
| 06:31.54 | Neffi | yeah, i see that |
| 06:32.28 | Semlar | your mission of course is to rob them blind |
| 06:32.49 | Neffi | nice style |
| 06:35.20 | Semlar | if i could figure out which doors connect to each other i could map out the topology |
| 06:35.46 | Neffi | that info should be in the MPQs |
| 06:36.03 | Semlar | it's there, it's just a little complicated |
| 06:37.22 | Semlar | actually |
| 06:37.46 | Semlar | if the area you're in has a name i could use that to figure out what room you're in |
| 06:38.00 | Neffi | subzone? |
| 06:38.23 | Semlar | localization would go out the window of course |
| 06:38.30 | Neffi | meh |
| 06:41.38 | Neffi | good luck <--ralmeS<--, i need to pass out now |
| 06:41.57 | Semlar | if i know you're in the "observation grounds" i know which portals you have access to, basically |
| 06:42.54 | Semlar | pass out somewhere convenient |
| 06:45.42 | pompy | Semlar: theres an editor for Monaco? |
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| 06:46.05 | Semlar | iunno |
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| 07:03.07 | znf | when be da prezentz? |
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| 09:23.37 | pompy | -100% $9.99 $-0.01 Pinball FX2 - Star Wars™ Pinball: Balance of the Force Pack |
| 09:23.39 | pompy | derp? |
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| 10:44.15 | airtonix | want to see derp? |
| 10:44.17 | airtonix | https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-lgXYOB-IAbM/Uo0Y1M9ZDKI/AAAAAAABnao/8eoyiQ9LNtA/w600-h866-no/planthopper-600x866.jpg |
| 10:44.33 | airtonix | maximum derp |
| 10:50.07 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1fhmH4WXHQ |
| 11:46.18 | mikma | airtonix: looks interesting |
| 11:46.38 | airtonix | mikma: i'm actually kind of keen to see "7 days to die" |
| 11:47.06 | mikma | airtonix: oh man, PvP :P |
| 11:47.24 | airtonix | heh |
| 11:47.37 | mikma | BEEP BEEP, RATATATATATATATATA |
| 11:49.25 | airtonix | :< my minecraft texture pack seems to have changed it's texture for chests into these obnoxiously merry green paper wrapped boxes |
| 11:49.31 | mikma | LOL WHAAAAT! Spreading the disease as a zombie! hahaha |
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| 12:13.27 | karl_w_w | one of the signs of christmas in our house: plates in the vegetable crisper |
| 12:14.36 | mikma | hey kids, wanna go to hell? |
| 12:14.39 | mikma | http://imgur.com/RlHXQ |
| 12:16.15 | karl_w_w | that's not that bad mikma |
| 12:16.44 | mikma | oh but it should be, and that's why we are going to hell |
| 12:20.55 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/a/bT6c9 |
| 12:23.49 | airtonix | mikma: just goes to show that being a cheapskate isn't the exclusive domain of any one culture |
| 12:31.16 | VIad | when will blizz add another character slot? |
| 12:31.29 | VIad | why can't I pay some money to get one either? :/ |
| 12:31.49 | airtonix | because they don't want your money |
| 12:31.58 | VIad | :( |
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| 13:24.15 | Semlar | how many character slots do you need vlad |
| 13:40.47 | VIad | only one more for a monk |
| 13:41.10 | VIad | really I just wish I could create the account limit of 50 on one realm if I wanted to |
| 13:41.10 | VIad | just give me scrollbars :) |
| 13:41.30 | VIad | with realms coalescing I'd figure it would be expected of such a feature/upgrade |
| 13:44.30 | Amarande | Yeah, I'm not sure why that's not a core store feature already |
| 13:44.42 | Amarande | Pretty much EVERY other MMO I've played has had that as a standard optional extra |
| 13:45.12 | VIad | finished gattaca - all teared up :( |
| 13:47.05 | nevcairiel | i didn't like it much |
| 13:49.57 | Amarande | wait, why are we all sitting here instead of opening up our piles of loot :) |
| 13:50.06 | Amarande | well, except for me, I already opened all my loot LOL |
| 13:50.28 | VIad | my pile of loot is having a home to live in and I am happy with that |
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| 14:07.42 | airtonix | http://imgur.com/gallery/7YL1e82 |
| 14:14.36 | airtonix | protip: don't wait in line for apple products ever again: http://imgur.com/gallery/TonumBA |
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| 14:27.59 | karl_w_w | serves him right for being at an apple store |
| 14:28.11 | karl_w_w | I cross the road if I'm passing the one in perth! |
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| 15:12.55 | Cairenn | Merry Christmas everyone! See you tomorrow! |
| 15:13.49 | Amarande | Merry Christmas :) |
| 15:16.56 | Shirik | メリークリスマス！ |
| 15:18.16 | Amarande | Unicode fail? :) |
| 15:20.20 | Shirik | uh |
| 15:20.24 | Shirik | maybe you unicode fail |
| 15:22.34 | Fisker | h e y Shirik |
| 15:24.07 | Shirik | ｈｅｙ Ｆｉｓｋｅｒ |
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| 15:31.09 | Fisker | hey weird unicode guy |
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| 15:35.59 | zenzelezz | I hate when games abruptly end |
| 15:41.30 | Amarande | zenzelezz: "A Winner Is You!" |
| 15:43.51 | zenzelezz | I do indeed own all dragons |
| 15:43.54 | zenzelezz | http://static.vg.no/uploaded/image/bilderigg/2013/12/25/1387972468836_803.jpg - impressive |
| 16:04.24 | karl_w_w | sure, invisible giants, why the fuck not? |
| 16:05.32 | karl_w_w | omg it kilt me! |
| 16:10.40 | karl_w_w | nowwhatthefuck.exe |
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| 16:23.31 | Neffi | happy x-mas, everyone |
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| 16:30.37 | zenzelezz | I never understood this crossmas |
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| 16:33.29 | Neffi | X is an abbreviation for an ancient word for "Jesus", which began with X |
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| 16:34.01 | Neffi | Or was it a word for "Christ"? Anyway, I'm pretty sure the abbreviation predates everything we know about Christmas |
| 16:39.50 | Amarande | Christ, presumably |
| 16:39.58 | Amarande | yeah, probably from Christos or something like that |
| 16:40.16 | Amarande | since I *believe* xi is properly pronounced "chi", hence CH -> X |
| 16:40.47 | zenzelezz | while I don't doubt that going back a long time, you could find something like that; but I'm more prone to thinking that someone just looked back and came up with an excuse to shorten it to "xmas" |
| 16:40.53 | Amarande | also "Xmas" is just a letter and a swap away from "Xaos", which is another common aspect of this season :D |
| 16:41.07 | Neffi | Amarande: It was something like that. I know the X wouldn't have been pronounced as an English X. |
| 16:41.40 | Neffi | zenzelezz: pretty much |
| 16:42.10 | Amarande | "It's beginning to look a lot like chaos ... Everywhere you go ..." |
| 16:42.15 | Amarande | Yeah, it fits. LOL |
| 16:42.23 | karl_w_w | I like to think it's just cross-mas |
| 16:42.36 | karl_w_w | as in, the thing a jew was nailed to |
| 16:42.43 | Amarande | karl_w_w: except the cross is associated mainly with Easter, not Christmas |
| 16:43.02 | zenzelezz | it does sound a bit like how I imagine the Aussies pronounce "christmas" karl_w_w |
| 16:43.06 | Amarande | And it wasn't just Jews, crucifixion was a pretty common means of execution in the Empire |
| 16:43.28 | karl_w_w | it's still the symbol of the dude |
| 16:43.28 | Amarande | Interestingly, historians suspect that the traditional shape of the cross is all wrong, though |
| 16:43.48 | Amarande | It's believed that the actual crucifixion crosses were shaped like a capital T, not a lowercase t |
| 16:44.06 | karl_w_w | in unrelated news, everybody needs to play brothers: a tale of two sons |
| 16:44.33 | Amarande | It also makes a lot more sense, given that execution seemed to be a pretty frequent thing in the Empire, and the capital T model would have made for much more efficiency in the process |
| 16:45.49 | karl_w_w | and you need to play it with a gamepad if you're planning to play it on a PC, or it defeats the purpose |
| 16:46.52 | Amarande | hm, I do not believe I've heard of this game |
| 16:47.08 | zenzelezz | using "gamepad" and "PC" in the same sentence pretty much ends my interest |
| 16:47.28 | Kesava | you're silly |
| 16:47.34 | karl_w_w | I can't tell you why it matters zenzelezz cos that would be an epic spoiler |
| 16:47.37 | karl_w_w | but it matters |
| 16:47.46 | karl_w_w | this game is not optional :P |
| 16:47.59 | Neffi | So what's gonna happen if I refuse to play it? |
| 16:48.00 | Amarande | hm, FF8 flash sale on steam, do I bite ... |
| 16:48.01 | Kesava | do you mean for the bit where the thing happens and you do that stuff? |
| 16:48.08 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 16:48.11 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 16:48.11 | Kesava | sh |
| 16:48.13 | Kesava | ah* |
| 16:48.28 | Amarande | I already have it on psn for ps3 |
| 16:48.34 | Kesava | there are other bits of it that'll make you think "what the fuck, that was optiona;" |
| 16:48.39 | Kesava | l*. it's really quite good |
| 16:48.49 | Amarande | but I presume the new PC version doesn't have the asstastic battle loading times that the console ones do |
| 16:49.28 | Amarande | which was always a problem with classic console RPGs ... great games, but eventually random encounters take longer to load than to fight :P |
| 16:49.33 | karl_w_w | never before has doing that thing you do been so world-altering |
| 16:49.42 | karl_w_w | you do the thing and you're like, oh fuck |
| 16:51.17 | Amarande | oh, sweet, RPG Maker VX Ace for $18, usually that's like $70 |
| 16:51.18 | Amarande | DAMN YOU STEAM |
| 16:51.26 | Amarande | I could go broke saving all this money :| |
| 16:55.58 | Amarande | Okay, that's too good a deal to pass up, and now I am going to not look in the Steam Store for the rest of the season :P |
| 16:57.43 | Amarande | anyway, time to go do christmas stuff |
| 17:02.29 | zenzelezz | "You already own XCOM: Enemy Within"... when did I buy this? o_O |
| 17:12.49 | pompy | zenzelezz: go to "X account" at the top, account details, store transactions lol |
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| 17:19.33 | zenzelezz | oh, I bought it together with AC4 |
| 17:23.30 | Arrowmaster | zenzelezz: install enhanced steam and it will tell you the date you bought it on the store page for it |
| 17:23.49 | Arrowmaster | http://www.enhancedsteam.com/ |
| 17:24.41 | pompy | i wonder how many times the author has to update the extension |
| 17:25.01 | pompy | and i dont really use the website in the browser.. wish that could run within steam itself lol |
| 17:31.24 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt get updated much because it doesnt need to |
| 17:32.13 | Arrowmaster | i never use the in app store |
| 17:33.59 | pompy | well guess Valve doesnt update the site code change wise often than what Facebook does lol |
| 17:34.08 | Neffi | Say I have a table that stores: [somefunc] = function(_,a) somefunc(a) end, if I make this table weak with mode 'kv', nothing will actually be garbage collected, right? |
| 17:35.37 | Neffi | Or is that only true if mode == 'k'? |
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| 17:40.59 | nevcairiel | with kv it might eat it eventually |
| 17:41.22 | nevcairiel | first the value, then the key |
| 17:41.33 | Neffi | I'm not sure it will. I think that was the point of ephemeron tables in 5.2. I want it to be collected though |
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| 17:42.10 | nevcairiel | not sure really how it behaves on complicated hash tables like this |
| 17:45.53 | Neffi | It's only performing as a cache to avoid creating closures slightly more often, so I don't necessarily need this |
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| 18:21.15 | karl_w_w | holy crap connecting my gpu to my home theatre has broken almost everything |
| 18:23.53 | Neffi | So yes, the garbage collector does collect the elements of that table if mode == 'kv' or mode == 'v'. It doesn't if mode == 'k' in Lua 5.1 |
| 18:26.59 | Shirik | uh |
| 18:27.19 | Semlar | collects neffi |
| 18:27.21 | Shirik | I have no idea what you're talking about but what you just described does not match the behavior of Lua |
| 18:27.38 | Neffi | Shirik: "Say I have a table that stores: [somefunc] = function(_,a) somefunc(a) end, if I make this table weak with mode 'kv', nothing will actually be garbage collected, right? " |
| 18:28.03 | Shirik | if you make the table weak it could be very quickly collected |
| 18:28.06 | Neffi | because the value holds a reference to the key, mode='k' keeps it |
| 18:28.51 | Shirik | it has a weak key and value |
| 18:29.05 | Shirik | do you have somefunc stored elsewhere? |
| 18:29.38 | Shirik | actually it doesn't matter |
| 18:30.03 | Shirik | that value is eligible for collection immediately |
| 18:30.35 | Neffi | Yes, I was making sure that's the case. I figured Lua wouldn't collect it, because of how the devs described ephemeron tables in 5.2 |
| 18:31.04 | Shirik | I thought that was only a problem in 5.1 |
| 18:31.04 | Shirik | 5.2 was to fix it |
| 18:31.23 | Shirik | there was a talk about it a few years ago at the lua conference |
| 18:32.10 | Neffi | If mode='k' in 5.1, then yes nothing gets collected |
| 18:32.46 | Shirik | ok hang on I see whaty ou mean now |
| 18:32.54 | Shirik | if the value references the key |
| 18:33.07 | Neffi | yes |
| 18:33.38 | Neffi | But in that case, 5.2 should collect it |
| 18:33.42 | Shirik | yeah they talked a while back about fixing this in 5.1 but I don't think it ever got in |
| 18:33.44 | Shirik | 5.2 definitely does |
| 18:33.45 | Neffi | Which I don't care about |
| 18:34.27 | Semlar | attempts to compare neffi with nil |
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| 18:37.48 | Fisker | literally Shirik |
| 18:38.06 | Shirik | nope |
| 18:38.35 | Fisker | You literally can't do anything about it |
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| 18:40.02 | Shirik | ~dict 3 literally |
| 18:41.38 | Neffi | That's without exaggeration? |
| 18:41.54 | Shirik | apparently :P |
| 18:41.57 | Semlar | literally pinned, neffi |
| 18:42.01 | Neffi | oww |
| 18:42.07 | Semlar | literally |
| 18:43.07 | Semlar | well i mean figuratively |
| 18:43.34 | Shirik | fortunately they're literally the same word |
| 18:45.19 | Neffi | s/fortunately/unfortunately/ |
| 18:46.28 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/wCekvmi.gif Stealth +1 |
| 18:59.04 | zenzelezz | \o/ |
| 18:59.40 | Shirik | /o/ |
| 18:59.52 | Shirik | well that was neat |
| 19:00.06 | Shirik | it sent a message instead of interpreting that as a command |
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| 19:24.35 | jleclanche | how do the cards become golden in HS? |
| 19:25.00 | jleclanche | nvm actually |
| 20:05.13 | VIad | P(G) when G->inf. is C where C is the amount of currency you spend |
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| 20:32.18 | VIad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_Police_training_explosives_incident |
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| 20:39.21 | Arrowmaster | whens doctor who |
| 20:41.27 | nevcairiel | should've ended airing 10 minutes ago |
| 20:41.50 | VIad | doctor who doesn't care about timelines, all his episodes should be available at all times |
| 20:42.10 | Neffi | VIad: that would make everything a fixed point, so no |
| 20:42.29 | VIad | is it a fixed point if it's always? |
| 20:42.39 | VIad | always as opposed to a specific time |
| 20:43.11 | Neffi | Allowing you to see what happens in episodes that are not yet available in your time frame would make those episodes a fixed point, thus unchangeable |
| 20:44.21 | Arrowmaster | whats the new TPB tld |
| 20:44.28 | Neffi | back to .se I think |
| 20:44.41 | Neffi | yup |
| 20:44.44 | Arrowmaster | se is trying to open popups |
| 20:45.16 | Neffi | se *is* opening popups |
| 20:45.51 | Neffi | gy was the latest one after that, but it's not resolving. .se is |
| 20:45.56 | VIad | http://www.komonews.com/news/local/15157611.html?p=1 |
| 20:47.40 | nevcairiel | aand it started showing up on the webs |
| 20:50.06 | VIad | hf with sudokube http://imgur.com/gallery/ldPBvJU |
| 21:10.27 | Arrowmaster | ah fuck this torrent, ill download the 720p at 1600KB/s from an xdcc bot instead |
| 21:10.44 | nevcairiel | sucks to use public sources, huh |
| 21:10.54 | nevcairiel | mine is done now |
| 21:10.57 | nevcairiel | goes to watch |
| 21:12.10 | Arrowmaster | i just got back and went looking for it |
| 21:12.23 | Arrowmaster | already 20% of the 720p |
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| 21:18.45 | Sintacks | anyone (horde)have a normal ToT full clear they can extend? |
| 21:33.08 | VIad | http://imgur.com/gallery/EtkXObi |
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| 22:01.01 | pompy | Arrowmaster: 9pm our time |
| 22:01.17 | pompy | ok who killed steam |
| 22:01.42 | pompy | nevrmind |
| 22:04.17 | Kalroth | free L4D2 did that |
| 22:05.57 | pompy | but who doesnt have that game in 2013!? |
| 22:05.58 | pompy | :P |
| 22:07.28 | Kalroth | a lot of freeloaders! |
| 22:08.53 | pompy | haha |
| 22:10.00 | pompy | Arrowmaster: http://isthereanydeal.com on there i dont think the searching works... wth |
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| 22:10.19 | pompy | im clicking "L" and its not listing those games that start with L! |
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| 22:12.18 | Arrowmaster | pompy: do you have noscript enabled? |
| 22:17.32 | Kraps | as a soon to be freeloader, i resemble that remark Kalroth |
| 22:17.39 | Kalroth | :D |
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| 22:19.32 | nevcairiel | so do I really have to wait until autumn '14 again for more doctor who now? |
| 22:21.49 | Kalroth | no, you can rewatch it |
| 22:22.33 | nevcairiel | well thats a given |
| 22:36.21 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: but theres more sherlock on the 1st |
| 22:36.37 | Arrowmaster | and whats up with steam |
| 22:37.00 | nevcairiel | wasnt that only a tiny sneak |
| 22:37.08 | Arrowmaster | that was today |
| 22:37.17 | Arrowmaster | season 3 starts on the 1st |
| 22:37.31 | nevcairiel | well at least something |
| 22:45.10 | nevcairiel | oh boy |
| 22:45.21 | nevcairiel | you know this quest with the anglers where you have to ride a shark and kill it |
| 22:45.47 | nevcairiel | my stupid druid talent that automatically heals me every 3 seconds or so heals the damn shark, since it counts as my pet or something |
| 22:51.29 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 22:51.58 | nevcairiel | stripping first and putting armor back on works though, it heals me first, and not the shark :p |
| 22:53.52 | Mr_Rabies | why not just switch the talent out, lol |
| 22:54.07 | Mr_Rabies | ysera's gift is nice but i use cenarion ward personally |
| 22:54.21 | nevcairiel | because i like the talent, and i cba to switch it out for one quest every other day |
| 22:54.23 | Mr_Rabies | it's nice to be able to slap on a tank that's about to take a big chunk o' damage |
| 22:54.42 | Mr_Rabies | even as feral |
| 22:54.42 | nevcairiel | i solo around more then anything else |
| 22:54.45 | Mr_Rabies | ah |
| 22:55.01 | Mr_Rabies | cenarion ward is even better then, but it's an extra button |
| 22:55.06 | Mr_Rabies | so i don't blame you then |
| 22:55.34 | Mr_Rabies | if you're surviving fine without it, then might as well use the passive one |
| 22:55.40 | nevcairiel | its not like i really need much healing on usual days, and the occasional healing tic is just care-free |
| 22:55.45 | Mr_Rabies | right |
| 22:56.03 | Mr_Rabies | i tend to aoe pull a ton of stuff when i'm soloing so CW is nice |
| 22:56.23 | Mr_Rabies | but it's all about playstyle |
| 22:56.43 | Mr_Rabies | and if you're a bear ysera's gift scales pretty darn well |
| 23:00.05 | nevcairiel | i'm balance when solo mostly, with a main spec in resto collecting feral gear is just too much of a chore, maybe i'll try again with WoD when i can reuse most pieces, hopefully |
| 23:03.20 | Mr_Rabies | ah yeah |
| 23:03.22 | Mr_Rabies | don't blame you, then |
| 23:03.47 | Mr_Rabies | feral/guardian is fun as heck btw |
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| 23:04.21 | nevcairiel | i tried it briefly in 5.0 with some blue gear, but i cba to collect any more gear, so i let it go for the time being |
| 23:04.28 | Mr_Rabies | i highly recommend feral if you want something that's a bit of a challenge but fun as heck once you've gotten the system down |
| 23:04.38 | Mr_Rabies | and guardian is just easy, you have like 5 buttons |
| 23:05.17 | nevcairiel | i've seen bears solo warbringers, i wish i could do that, but with no gear, no luck :p |
| 23:05.31 | Mr_Rabies | i literally just slap my keyboard randomly on dark shamans as the third tank |
| 23:05.57 | Mr_Rabies | because everything has some kind of cooldown |
| 23:06.51 | Mr_Rabies | i think you could literally just slap a /castrandom button with every bear ability and still win as a guardian |
| 23:08.38 | nevcairiel | previously bear was never really my style, i always preferred tanking as a warrior |
| 23:08.51 | nevcairiel | but its bean an expansion or two |
| 23:08.56 | nevcairiel | been* |
| 23:09.07 | Mr_Rabies | bear* |
| 23:09.29 | Mr_Rabies | bear is really super easy but it's a lot of fun too |
| 23:09.37 | Mr_Rabies | 150k+ Attack Power yes pls |
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| 23:23.22 | Sintacks | I want to see a rogue with the amount of AP tanks get |
| 23:24.07 | Sintacks | a rogue with +700k AP. so about 850k total. plskthx. |
| 23:24.31 | nevcairiel | if you want your baseline to be adjusted to compensate, sure |
| 23:24.34 | nevcairiel | its just a numbers game |
| 23:24.35 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 23:25.10 | Sintacks | I just want to see what kind of damage a rogue would do with 700k more ap |
| 23:25.25 | Sintacks | mostly waht i'm saying is, i want access to a private server that i can fuck around on <.< |
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| 23:33.02 | pompy | Arrowmaster: nope dont use that |
| 23:35.33 | pompy | derp it says the community choice has ended |
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| 23:39.25 | pompy | Blah issues on Christmas Day with Steam |
| 23:39.51 | pompy | "Unable to connect to server. Server may be offline or you may not be connected to the internet." servers in a restart loop! |
| 23:40.02 | pompy | if only that would happen. mayhem |
| 23:43.10 | Sintacks | it's cuz L4D2 is free |
| 23:43.25 | pompy | yeah indeed |
| 23:43.43 | Sintacks | i've been trying for an hour and a half |
| 23:44.00 | pompy | but idk if its on the purchasing end, i mean WHO DOESNT HAVE THAT GAME ALREADY!? besides freeloaders :P |
| 23:44.05 | pompy | oh this is how the Enhanced Steam creator is trying to get a job with Valve ... https://www.change.org/petitions/valve-corporation-hire-enhanced-steam-s-creator-jason-shackles |
| 23:44.09 | nevcairiel | i just started steam earlier, didnt have any issues |
| 23:44.27 | pompy | earlier as in 2 hrs ago? ;) |
| 23:44.45 | nevcairiel | no idea |
| 23:44.52 | nevcairiel | but its still online and running! |
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| 23:52.43 | pompy | seems to be good now |
| 23:56.21 | pompy | spoke too soon |
