| 00:00.04 | Cairenn | I wonder how well that'd actually work as a computer chair :p |
| 00:00.25 | TC-Work | There is http://www.amazon.com/Rocker-0287401-Executive-Office-Bluetooth/dp/B00CTIA9CU but I am not sure it is worth the price |
| 00:00.27 | VIad | probably not good if you can't sit upright |
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| 00:04.34 | Cairenn | thanks for the opinions all :) |
| 00:10.19 | Shirik | the chairs we have at work are something like $1200 |
| 00:10.40 | Shirik | granted I'm sure they bought them in bulk so they're cheaper |
| 00:10.45 | Shirik | but I want one for home :( |
| 00:12.06 | Seerah | HON? |
| 00:13.53 | TC-Work | My guess is Herman Miller |
| 00:14.00 | TC-Work | ~ping |
| 00:14.00 | purl | ~pong |
| 00:29.38 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/41nCzti.jpg |
| 01:07.15 | TC-Work | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:46.07 | Shirik | Cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThQKtgBloUw |
| 03:48.28 | Iriel | Shirik: have you checked http://www.sit4life.com/index.htm |
| 03:49.19 | Iriel | I got my aeron there (years ago) |
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| 03:53.25 | Cairenn | awwww |
| 04:01.07 | jleclanche | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6944135 |
| 04:01.14 | jleclanche | I have a great idea for a business |
| 04:01.29 | jleclanche | Step 1: Be 100% reliant on another business' graces and support |
| 04:01.41 | jleclanche | Step 2: ... Well, I haven't thought about step 2 yet. But step 1 is a winner. |
| 04:04.54 | Sintacks | soo |
| 04:04.55 | Sintacks | latest build of battle.net makes it so you can't launch WoW from a second install, with a different \interface\ and \wtf\ folder ... |
| 04:04.55 | Sintacks | even if you try to launch wow from that location, the battle.net app intercepts it and changes launch location |
| 04:04.57 | Sintacks | fack |
| 04:12.35 | Gethe | what is the second install for? |
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| 04:15.41 | Shirik | somehow i just seriously split my thumb open on my laptop |
| 04:20.06 | jleclanche | Gethe: id guess blizzard is finally no longer installing to program files |
| 04:21.52 | Gethe | they changed the default install to users\public\games i think in cata |
| 04:26.40 | Neffi | Are they going to replace the WoW launcher with the BNet app entirely? Or will it remain optional? |
| 04:27.27 | Neffi | I *just* installed WoW yesterday. Default install path was set to Program Files (x86) using the game client installer from Battle.net |
| 04:27.50 | kd3 | eventually the old wow/d3/sc2 launchers are going poof |
| 04:27.57 | kd3 | probably around the time hs goes gold |
| 04:28.40 | Neffi | I vaguely recall installing it once and the launcher's default install path not being Program Files, but as of the latest installer it is Program Files |
| 04:35.07 | Gethe | yeah i know it was different at some point. w/e I put it else where anyway |
| 04:35.15 | Gethe | knew* |
| 04:36.15 | pompy | Torhal: woohoo got the ornament today! https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35894760/20131220_225821.jpg and https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35894760/20131220_230705.jpg |
| 04:36.43 | Torhal | pompy: Sweet |
| 04:37.05 | jleclanche | kd3: woohoo. i got wine working on arch with all the fixes i care abouty |
| 04:37.08 | jleclanche | and HS works now |
| 04:37.14 | kd3 | yay |
| 04:38.48 | Neffi | pompy: That table looks familar. Do you by chance like breath mints? |
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| 04:39.43 | Sintacks | Gethe, for multiboxing |
| 04:40.55 | pompy | is confused |
| 04:40.58 | pompy | Neffi: ^ |
| 04:41.07 | Neffi | lol nothing, pompy |
| 04:41.14 | pompy | ;) |
| 04:41.58 | pompy | http://www.trueachievements.com/n15720/trueachiever-released-for-windows-phone-8.htm i realize why they did, but at the same time, come on! wp8 app before Android or iOS ?! |
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| 04:43.04 | Gethe | Sintacks: you can open multiple wow accounts from the bnet launcher if they are on the same bnet account. |
| 04:43.17 | Gethe | i have done it before |
| 04:43.29 | kd3 | in the past day or so? |
| 04:43.41 | Sintacks | that doesn't get wow launched with a different \wtf\ and \interface\ folder |
| 04:43.41 | Gethe | last week :/ |
| 04:45.13 | Neffi | Sintacks: Have you tried bypassing the luancher and starting Wow[-64].exe? |
| 04:45.38 | Sintacks | you mean launch wow.exe directly? |
| 04:45.41 | Neffi | yes |
| 04:45.47 | Gethe | does your set up require different folders? you can change the wow acount just like you do for ptr |
| 04:45.50 | Sintacks | that's what i do. but the launcher intercepts is |
| 04:45.55 | Sintacks | and has for a while now |
| 04:45.59 | Neffi | ugly |
| 04:46.07 | Neffi | Want to get crazy? |
| 04:46.12 | Sintacks | that's why you couldn't even launch 32 bit without the -noforce64bit or whatever line |
| 04:46.43 | kd3 | if I need to launch 32-bit, I rename wow-64.exe to wow-64.exe.sav |
| 04:46.44 | Neffi | Write a daemon that watches WoW and switches out the folders (or symlinks) or try to sandbox multiple installs from each other entirely |
| 04:46.46 | Sintacks | Gethe, I don't want all my normal addons to even show up in the list for the slaves. and since they are different accounts, they have their own WTF folders really... but that's also not the point. |
| 04:46.55 | Sintacks | lol Neffi |
| 04:47.13 | Sintacks | kd3, you don't need to do that anymore. the battle.net app has a setting to launch 32 bit now |
| 04:47.15 | Neffi | but then you lose the ability to safely reload |
| 04:47.17 | Sintacks | but for a while, it didn't. |
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| 04:47.46 | Neffi | But there's gotta be a solid solution to sandboxing two installs from each other, launcher and all |
| 04:47.55 | Atriace | cogwheel: Your website is down (http://lua-wow.luaforge.net/) |
| 04:48.38 | Atriace | Neffi: have you tried http://www.sandboxie.com/? |
| 04:48.49 | Neffi | No I haven't |
| 04:49.24 | Neffi | I dont know if that can achieve what I'm talking about |
| 04:49.44 | Sintacks | okay ... |
| 04:49.47 | Sintacks | now i'm really confused |
| 04:50.02 | Atriace | Is there open documentation on Blizzard's lua methods? For instance, where I can find the XML templates (I could've sworn I'd read through them years ago, but I don't know now) |
| 04:50.05 | Neffi | Sintacks: the clear solution: install FreeBSD and use jails ;) |
| 04:50.12 | Sintacks | keyclone launched wow from the proper location... but not with the proper \interface\ |
| 04:50.17 | Sintacks | AND actually I MIGHT be crazy |
| 04:50.32 | Sintacks | cuz i did switch servers on the second one... so it doesn't have the old common addons.txt file ... |
| 04:50.35 | Sintacks | yeah. i might be an idiot |
| 04:50.40 | Neffi | Atriace: wowprogramming.com, wowpedia.org |
| 04:50.42 | Neffi | ~framexml |
| 04:50.43 | purl | i guess framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 04:50.57 | Sintacks | yes. i'm an idiot. |
| 04:51.05 | Sintacks | i forgot.. the slave has the same \interface\ folder anyway |
| 04:51.09 | Sintacks | cuz it's a symlink of the main |
| 04:51.18 | Atriace | neffi = hero |
| 04:51.20 | Sintacks | but it does have it's own cache errors logs screenshots and wtf folder |
| 04:51.25 | Neffi | slavery is illegal, Sintacks |
| 04:51.45 | Sintacks | i guess i can go delete my bug report ... |
| 04:51.50 | Neffi | purl, what is framexml |
| 04:51.50 | purl | i heard framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 04:51.56 | Neffi | no purl, framexml is <reply>i guess framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or |
| 04:51.56 | Neffi | http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 04:52.09 | Neffi | Woops |
| 04:52.17 | Neffi | msg purl hi |
| 04:52.26 | Neffi | so off my game tonight >_> |
| 04:52.57 | Neffi | ~framexml |
| 04:52.57 | purl | framexml is, like, Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 04:53.38 | Neffi | ~framexml |
| 04:53.38 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 04:53.46 | Neffi | Nice. Sorry for the spam. |
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| 04:57.47 | Atriace | Well, awkward.... console open, command typed: I'm getting "Unknown command" |
| 04:57.58 | kd3|hate`net | are you doing it at the login screen? |
| 04:57.59 | Atriace | I thought there was a standalone installer/app for this? |
| 04:58.01 | Atriace | No |
| 04:58.06 | Atriace | From in-game. |
| 04:58.07 | kd3 | you have to do it before logging in |
| 04:58.10 | Atriace | Ah |
| 04:58.12 | Neffi | Trying to export the code? |
| 04:58.17 | Atriace | And art. |
| 04:58.21 | kd3 | the standalone app was removed when they switched to the streaming client in 4.0.6 |
| 04:58.22 | Atriace | But mostly code. |
| 04:58.44 | Neffi | I want to add that to purl's reply, but it's literally right at the character limit, so I'd have to trim something else out of the reply |
| 04:58.53 | Neffi | Maybe purl can just link to the wowpedia page telling users how to export it |
| 04:59.03 | Neffi | Can/should I make that change? |
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| 05:00.36 | Sintacks | 1, use short links. 2 that space after the first link before the , makes me oaidjgasdfhasdgoia sdfa 3 i like cake |
| 05:01.22 | Sintacks | :| keyclone keeps crashing for an unknown reason |
| 05:01.41 | Neffi | The space is so some IRC clients don't malform the link |
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| 05:05.51 | Shirik | TIL my parents' cable box is incapable of handling the midnight rollover |
| 05:06.00 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure it just crashed and rebooted |
| 05:08.28 | Sintacks | well fuck the space |
| 05:08.30 | Sintacks | makes me ajogasdfoj |
| 05:08.33 | Sintacks | use a - |
| 05:08.34 | Sintacks | or something |
| 05:08.46 | Sintacks | or remove a char somewhere and make it another or |
| 05:08.51 | Sintacks | so link or link or link |
| 05:10.08 | Sintacks | the language of that reply is still confusing |
| 05:10.09 | Sintacks | or just weird |
| 05:10.11 | Sintacks | not sure which |
| 05:10.19 | Atriace | uses an explicative. |
| 05:11.29 | Atriace | None of that was what I was looking for. As best I can tell, https://github.com/cogwheel/lua-wow isn't what I'm looking for either. |
| 05:11.47 | Atriace | I'm looking for the actual code which defines CreateFrame() |
| 05:12.42 | kd3 | I think CreateFrame's defined c-side, because I don't see it defined in the framexml |
| 05:13.02 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/API_CreateFrame |
| 05:13.03 | Shirik | easy way to tell |
| 05:13.05 | Shirik | string.dump() |
| 05:13.14 | Shirik | will error if it's a C function |
| 05:13.24 | Atriace | Interesting... |
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| 05:13.39 | Shirik | but I would expect CreateFrame to be a C function |
| 05:13.42 | Shirik | it's kinda a low level API |
| 05:13.49 | kd3 | most of the api's actually defined c-side. we just see the framexml using it |
| 05:13.58 | kd3 | that's how we create the documentation |
| 05:15.37 | Neffi | Sintacks: It was written that way for a reason. I'm not going to change that because I respect that reason and I think it's up to the people who run the channel to decide |
| 05:15.56 | Neffi | purl is fun, but it's here for our benefit |
| 05:17.09 | Neffi | Atriace: Why would you need the code that defines CreateFrame? Maybe there's a better approach |
| 05:17.59 | Atriace | Because I want to understand how they're creating frames, so I can make my own which don't inherit from their methodology/baggage |
| 05:18.01 | Sintacks | i meant the way it says "expore code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~" |
| 05:18.11 | Sintacks | there's no break in the sentance ... |
| 05:18.18 | Sintacks | before after game loads |
| 05:18.20 | Atriace | Shirik: looks like dump was excluded from string library in WoW |
| 05:18.26 | Sintacks | just... reads really weird |
| 05:18.31 | Sintacks | export8 |
| 05:18.33 | Sintacks | adjiogasdf |
| 05:18.33 | Shirik | wtf why |
| 05:18.34 | Sintacks | fck this keyboard |
| 05:18.35 | Neffi | Atriace: There isn't really baggage involved. Just C-side logic to it. |
| 05:18.42 | Shirik | since when |
| 05:18.54 | Shirik | It used to be there |
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| 05:19.05 | kd3 | try `/dump whatever`? |
| 05:19.07 | Atriace | If you want a stick, and they give you a wood house, I call that baggage. |
| 05:19.33 | Atriace | Oh, from chat. |
| 05:19.39 | Neffi | kd3: "Returns a binary representation of the given function, so that a later loadstring on that string returns a copy of the function. Function must be a Lua function without upvalues." |
| 05:19.53 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.58 | Neffi | more or less |
| 05:20.18 | Atriace | Well, /dump simply producted "CreateFrame = <function[CReateFrame]>" |
| 05:20.24 | Atriace | Not an error. |
| 05:20.25 | Shirik | I don't understand the logic of removing string.dump |
| 05:20.27 | Neffi | Atriace: That's not baggage. That's called an API. |
| 05:20.31 | Shirik | seems incredibly stupid |
| 05:20.39 | Sintacks | i have no idea what is going on |
| 05:20.44 | Sintacks | so i'm just gonna look at fish |
| 05:21.00 | Atriace | laughs at Sintacks. |
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| 05:21.14 | Atriace | I wish I had fish... |
| 05:21.27 | Iriel | dump certainly used to be there. |
| 05:21.40 | Neffi | Atriace: Just about all of the game's API are defined C-side, with very, very few exceptions. This is how embedded Lua works. The game engine handles the underlying logic. Lua is just a glue. |
| 05:21.43 | Atriace | Iriel: /dump is there, but what about string.dump? |
| 05:21.56 | Iriel | I'm talking about the function (I wrote the other one) |
| 05:21.59 | Shirik | string.dump was there |
| 05:22.02 | Shirik | I used it before |
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| 05:23.35 | Atriace | Neffi: I get that. The issue I have with CreateFrame is that it appears to do a great deal more than just provide a Display visible object to which you can start defining properties. When the initial set of methods/properties is large, you're not dealing with an efficient object, especially when you're not going to use 90% of those properties/methods. |
| 05:24.15 | Atriace | That causes memory bloat. |
| 05:24.16 | Neffi | Atriace: "When the initial set of methods/properties is large, you're not dealing with an efficient object" that's absolutely untrue |
| 05:25.06 | Shirik | uh oh |
| 05:25.08 | Neffi | "Memory bloat" of mere bytes which is of no consequence at all. You're finding problems that don't exist, which often happens with premature optimization. |
| 05:25.46 | kd3 | memory bloat in the addon space is, well, a drop in the bucket compared to what the rest of the client is using |
| 05:25.54 | Neffi | It's akin to saying Lua is bloated because it has this feature called "metatables" and a library called "string" even though I don't use either of them |
| 05:26.36 | Neffi | CreateFrame is an abstraction atop some systems in the engine which turn out to be quite efficient, so stop worrying |
| 05:27.35 | Shirik | addons used to create hundreds of frames |
| 05:27.41 | Shirik | just so that they were available if they needed them |
| 05:27.50 | Semlar | is that wrong? |
| 05:27.58 | Neffi | Semlar: define wrong |
| 05:28.31 | Neffi | Some addons are so stingy with memory that they wait to create objects until they need them, even though it's absolutely certain they WILL need them early in the course of play. I think that's stupid. |
| 05:30.30 | Neffi | Semlar: I think it would actually be smart to create a batch of frame objects in advance for your map display, for instance |
| 05:30.37 | Neffi | Whatever happened to that map project, btw? |
| 05:31.43 | Shirik | Iriel: How to force quit an app |
| 05:32.18 | Iriel | Option + Right Click |
| 05:32.27 | Iriel | on the launcher thing |
| 05:33.18 | Shirik | thanks |
| 05:34.32 | Sintacks | :( |
| 05:34.41 | Sintacks | Jamba doesn't support cross realm teams |
| 05:36.24 | Atriace | Optimization on small projects is usually unnecessary. Optimization only has significant consequences when you're dealing with oft-used objects. It's like ticket prices: paying a few pennies here may not mean much, but for a full stadium, could add up to millions. CreateFrame is one of those methods; as a basic method, it's used ubiquitously. How much memory do they utilize? More than what I want them to; for example as a particle system. If ther |
| 05:36.24 | Atriace | e's a more efficient way of creating a display object, then it's worth pursuing, ergo that's what I'm searching for. |
| 05:37.49 | Neffi | If you're so convinced of your stance on a system you don't know, let me make it easy: there is no other way, so it doesn't matter |
| 05:37.55 | Atriace | I expect to run into these walls, being that it's a runtime environment in someone else's codebase. It's just worth exploring. |
| 05:37.55 | Shirik | in the context of a 3D environment simulation, a little overlay tool is probably not that big of a deal |
| 05:38.21 | Shirik | That being said, this is not going to be where your performance problems come from |
| 05:38.28 | Semlar | what map project |
| 05:38.38 | Semlar | >_> |
| 05:38.39 | Shirik | Performance problems almost always come from algorithmic complexity, not one-off calls |
| 05:38.39 | Semlar | <_< |
| 05:38.51 | Atriace | Neffi: somehow I get the impression I've offended you. Is this your code we're talking about? |
| 05:39.11 | Neffi | Hah. I wish I was a Blizz engineer. |
| 05:39.57 | Neffi | But I've been coding WoW addons for near 7 years now. I'm telling you these issues you're seeing are not issues at all. You don't want to trust my word, and that's alright, because you have no alternative anyway. |
| 05:41.47 | Shadowed | oh god performance arguments |
| 05:41.52 | Shadowed | you're all wrong it's ok |
| 05:41.59 | kd3 | yup. I broke out the popcorn some time ago |
| 05:42.00 | Shirik | wat |
| 05:42.03 | Shirik | I'm not wrong |
| 05:42.03 | Neffi | lol i like you Shadowed |
| 05:42.05 | Shadowed | shut up Shirik you're wrong! |
| 05:42.07 | Shirik | I'm always right |
| 05:42.09 | Shadowed | nope |
| 05:42.13 | Shirik | always |
| 05:42.18 | Shadowed | not in this case clearly |
| 05:42.33 | Neffi | Semlar: I was sure it was you doing the map shit.... |
| 05:42.34 | Shirik | I don't think you understand |
| 05:42.36 | Shirik | I am The Architect |
| 05:42.42 | Shadowed | sounds like you don't understand cause you're not right |
| 05:42.42 | Shirik | I designed this world, and it obeys my rules |
| 05:42.43 | Shadowed | ^_^ |
| 05:43.03 | Neffi | Shirik: Oh, so I can complain to you when I don't like something? Awesome |
| 05:43.08 | Neffi | ;) |
| 05:43.14 | Atriace | laughs at Shirik |
| 05:44.31 | Neffi | Semlar: Minimap+world map integrated into one, using the fog of war textures to paint a satellite-like view of the surrounding landscape, with the hand-drawn map textures atop that |
| 05:44.43 | Neffi | That wasn't your work? I must be confused |
| 05:47.01 | Sintacks | curse is only letting me update one addon at a time... |
| 05:51.48 | Shirik | lol: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/12/20/north-and-south-korea-exchange-faxes-threatening-to-attack-each-other/ |
| 05:53.04 | Neffi | North Korea has fax now? Wow, moving up |
| 05:53.37 | Shirik | apparently |
| 05:54.02 | Shirik | they have unlocked our top secret technology, the "modem" |
| 05:55.40 | Sintacks | now i'm sad that jamba doesn't support cross realm teams cuz i wnated to make a team on a connected realm all with the same name and in the game guild |
| 05:56.37 | Neffi | lua> unpack(1) |
| 05:56.37 | lua_bot | Neffi: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'unpack' (table expected, got number) |
| 05:58.37 | Semlar | never heard of it |
| 05:59.17 | Neffi | really? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info21830.html |
| 05:59.32 | Neffi | why must you drive me mad? |
| 06:00.12 | Semlar | that doesn't sound right |
| 06:00.19 | Semlar | holy shit 49 comments |
| 06:00.42 | Semlar | i must've been talkin up a storm |
| 06:00.57 | Neffi | ~lart Semlar |
| 06:00.57 | purl | overclocks Semlar until Semlar burns out |
| 06:00.59 | Semlar | i never uploaded my map addon |
| 06:01.08 | Neffi | So you did make a map addon |
| 06:01.08 | Semlar | NO MAP FOR YOU |
| 06:01.20 | Neffi | >_> |
| 06:01.28 | Semlar | http://imgur.com/a/ospQ3 |
| 06:01.39 | Neffi | that's it |
| 06:02.01 | Neffi | Yeah, I'd say it's worth creating a bunch of frame objects in advance for that thing |
| 06:02.14 | Semlar | every god damn texture had its own frame |
| 06:02.26 | Semlar | it was the only way to make them layer correctly |
| 06:02.28 | Neffi | Why not just a texture obj? |
| 06:02.42 | Neffi | Sublayers weren't enough? |
| 06:02.44 | Semlar | they layer the order they load not the order they're created |
| 06:02.53 | Neffi | Anyway have I told you it looks pretty awesome and you should release it |
| 06:06.02 | Sintacks | Semlar, did you ever fnish that map addon? |
| 06:06.13 | Sintacks | i remember you having issues at one point |
| 06:06.21 | Sintacks | and i don't even remember what the addon was supposed to be fore |
| 06:06.23 | Sintacks | -e |
| 06:06.32 | Neffi | I remember Semlar having issues at many points, in general, and to great length |
| 06:06.52 | Neffi | <3 |
| 06:07.31 | Sintacks | gaaay |
| 06:08.01 | Neffi | Nuh-uh |
| 06:13.26 | Shirik | what happens to all the shards when someone cuts a diamond? |
| 06:13.29 | Shirik | do they just throw them away? |
| 06:14.54 | Semlar | they melt them down to make new diamonds |
| 06:15.56 | kd3 | so target sends the email at 1:15 in the morning |
| 06:15.57 | kd3 | ...ok |
| 06:16.06 | Neffi | I know diamond power is used for grit |
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| 06:18.26 | Shirik | ~wiki grit |
| 06:18.40 | Shirik | you are the worst |
| 06:18.41 | Shirik | read my mind |
| 06:18.48 | Sintacks | ~wiki taco |
| 06:18.57 | Sintacks | mmmm. taco |
| 06:19.24 | Shirik | some day, purl is going to learn to remove template instantiations |
| 06:21.38 | Sintacks | Some day. but today is not that day. |
| 06:22.34 | Neffi | Grit as in, an abrassive |
| 06:29.00 | Shirik | idea for a new contest: |
| 06:29.23 | Shirik | Olympics, but instead of having teams for each event, each country sends one athlete for all events |
| 06:29.34 | Shirik | result: most well-rounded athlete wins |
| 06:29.54 | Shirik | also a limit on the whole "one stupid mistake ruins everything" |
| 06:31.40 | Neffi | Choosing that athlete would probably be political, not a manner of technical merit |
| 06:32.18 | Shirik | well I would hope each country wants to win |
| 06:32.28 | Shirik | if you put politics over athletic ability, you're not going to win |
| 06:32.59 | Neffi | Replace "athletic ability" and that's a solid statement outlining a lot of problems |
| 06:33.08 | Neffi | replace it with a wildcard* |
| 06:46.12 | Semlar | replaces neffi with a wildcard |
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| 07:01.05 | Sintacks | oh my god |
| 07:01.39 | Sintacks | Semlar, http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/20120828.html.gz |
| 07:01.42 | Sintacks | find "i can't let it look like this http://i.imgur.com/sCjhR.jpg i just can't" on the page |
| 07:02.14 | Semlar | >_> |
| 07:02.22 | Sintacks | randomly saw this when I was talking to someone in guild about how old puu.sh is and oneof my oldest puush's is in that log, right next to your image |
| 07:02.33 | Sintacks | it's funny, because we were just now talking about that addon and you working on it |
| 07:04.00 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:10.43 | Sintacks | that pre-Shop UI button |
| 07:10.44 | Sintacks | wee |
| 07:11.32 | Semlar | :o |
| 07:18.35 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:30.50 | Soopie | Hey hows it going? |
| 07:49.00 | Stanzilla | dafuq is that Semlar |
| 07:49.34 | Semlar | nuffin |
| 07:54.59 | Stanzilla | Semlar: sexsplain |
| 07:55.45 | Semlar | they're just area labels |
| 07:56.46 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.52 | Stanzilla | Semlar: I actually was talking about the other screenshot :D |
| 07:56.59 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/yhStk27.jpg |
| 07:57.13 | nevcairiel | its world map build from minimap tiles |
| 07:57.15 | nevcairiel | isnt it obvious |
| 07:57.39 | Stanzilla | but it does not fit |
| 07:57.41 | Semlar | the other one is everything on top of each other |
| 07:57.41 | nevcairiel | actually no, its a world map stitched together from the normal maps |
| 07:57.53 | Semlar | in no particular order |
| 07:58.04 | Semlar | and clearly the wrong dimensions |
| 07:58.06 | nevcairiel | they are not meant to be stitched together, so they have overlapping corners that need careful handling :p |
| 07:59.48 | Semlar | you mean like this http://i.imgur.com/gail7.jpg |
| 08:00.59 | Neffi | Semlar: I really hope you release this |
| 08:01.48 | nevcairiel | its just impossible to get it perfect without manually modifying map textures, so whats the point? :p |
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| 08:03.04 | Semlar | in a functional map you would just bring the overlay for whatever zone you were hovering over to the top |
| 08:03.04 | Neffi | Because the hybrid moad map+minimap texture mode looks really fucking cool |
| 08:03.23 | Neffi | I could see this being a really cool interactive Google Maps type thing |
| 08:03.48 | Neffi | When I;m spelling "mode" as "moad" it officially means I need sleep |
| 08:04.18 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.43 | nevcairiel | that looks just terrible, the textures dont have enough resolution |
| 08:05.01 | nevcairiel | stormwind is too old |
| 08:05.10 | Semlar | no, it's just zoomed in quite far |
| 08:05.23 | Semlar | all of the minimap textures have the same resolution |
| 08:05.36 | Semlar | well, the terrain maps |
| 08:05.39 | nevcairiel | that doesnt mean they all have the same quality |
| 08:06.00 | nevcairiel | i imagine classic citys looking a bit worse |
| 08:06.19 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.03 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.31 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.32 | pompy | Stanzilla, nevcairiel, sb, Gnarfoz: http://www.dorkly.com/embed/57664/german-crosswalks-come-with-multiplayer-games |
| 08:07.41 | nevcairiel | pompy: old |
| 08:07.46 | pompy | :( |
| 08:08.24 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.22 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.59 | Semlar | sleepy time |
| 08:16.21 | pompy | ~LART Semlar |
| 08:16.21 | purl | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down Semlar's throat until Semlar puts on 150lbs |
| 08:16.32 | pompy | alrighttt |
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| 09:05.17 | karl_w_w | I would be surprised if wowhead doesn't get in copyright trouble for this sounds database |
| 09:07.54 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: we're long past zam/curse fansites getting in trouble with anything |
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| 10:12.20 | Sintacks | karl_w_w, that was my first thought when I found it. |
| 10:12.28 | Sintacks | but i figure they aren't stupid and have permission |
| 10:14.59 | nevcairiel | you think too highly of these pages |
| 10:19.57 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/277fUE2.gif <-I regret this decision immediately |
| 10:21.41 | zenzelezz | lol |
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| 10:37.06 | karl_w_w | I don't understand Fisker |
| 10:37.16 | karl_w_w | why did the cat change its mind? |
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| 11:17.05 | mikma | cairenn: http://youtu.be/u40UhoSPegQ |
| 11:17.28 | Cairenn | awwwwww |
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| 11:47.55 | karl_w_w | I didn't know that whether or not bobcats purr was a question |
| 11:48.12 | karl_w_w | considering every other cat purrs |
| 11:56.11 | Cairenn | karl_w_w: Not true. If a cat can roar (ala lions, tigers, leopards & jaguars), they can't purr. If they can purr, they can't roar. |
| 11:57.30 | karl_w_w | interesting |
| 12:01.09 | Fisker | so rubbing a lion on the tummy won't make them purr? |
| 12:01.09 | Fisker | sad |
| 12:05.00 | karl_w_w | it might make you scream though |
| 12:05.53 | Fisker | Someone will not enjoy turning off airplane mode when they land today |
| 12:06.01 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/q2bZMGe.jp |
| 12:06.04 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/q2bZMGe.jpg |
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| 12:17.59 | karl_w_w | if you gift something on steam does the recipient see the sender's email? |
| 12:22.06 | mikma | karl_w_w: no, only the steam account (if you send it with steam) |
| 12:22.17 | mikma | karl_w_w: no idea about the email version of the gift |
| 12:22.26 | mikma | fisker: have a nice aids! err, trip! |
| 12:22.37 | Fisker | not going to africa |
| 12:24.38 | mikma | fisker: i meant it for the original sender of that tweet |
| 12:24.53 | Fisker | Who says it wasn't me? |
| 12:24.54 | Fisker | :D |
| 12:25.09 | mikma | because i've always imagined you as a beautiful girl, sre |
| 12:25.12 | mikma | sure* |
| 12:26.29 | Fisker | :) |
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| 12:39.51 | karl_w_w | oh nice, I just won xcom |
| 13:03.17 | Arrowmaster | from what? |
| 13:04.31 | karl_w_w | http://www.twitch.tv/ellohime |
| 13:10.03 | Sintacks | this is the second toon that I have lost macros on the first time logging out of the toon |
| 13:10.14 | karl_w_w | you already have xcom anyway Arrowmaster :P |
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| 13:48.38 | foxlit | Shirik: string.dump() << grandpa! |
| 13:53.57 | Sintacks | dumps foxlit |
| 13:54.19 | foxlit | how insightful of you, Sintacks. |
| 13:55.43 | Gnarfoz | pompy: sadly, that video is not only old, but "fake" - it was some VFX student's project or something |
| 14:14.18 | karl_w_w | strings foxlit |
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| 14:27.23 | Arrowmaster | im trying to play dark souls again, its a good thing i started with no humanity and almost no souls |
| 14:28.46 | Sintacks | so my water heater stopped working last night |
| 14:28.56 | Sintacks | so i test it to see if i can find what's wrong and find nothing and it starts working again |
| 14:29.08 | Sintacks | am told this morning when my mom is getting ready to go to work that there's no hot water |
| 14:29.18 | Sintacks | so i sigh and say i'll look at it when you leave, cuz i have to move a bunch of shit in her closet to get to it |
| 14:29.20 | Sintacks | check the breaker |
| 14:29.25 | Sintacks | the fucking thing wasn't even turned back on last night |
| 14:29.27 | Sintacks | ._. |
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| 15:18.51 | karl_w_w | If you're having zombie problems, I feel bad for you son. I've got 99 problems and the plague ain't one. |
| 15:19.32 | karl_w_w | ^double reference win |
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| 17:20.35 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: https://31.media.tumblr.com/e98e7663a60e4300ad7a643d485c6584/tumblr_mky2xtO9Eb1r3gb3zo1_400.gif |
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| 17:43.23 | Neffi | Arrowmaster: http://i.imgur.com/t9zk7IE.gif |
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| 17:51.36 | Shirik | foxlit: not sure what you mean |
| 17:52.14 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeY-2ovpF9c lol |
| 17:58.58 | Arrowmaster | wtf... 3ds limits the number of times you can play demos? |
| 17:59.27 | foxlit | Shirik: string.dump has been gone for so long that, by mentioning it, you make it clear that you're way out of touch with the current state of wow's lua api. |
| 18:01.24 | Shirik | I am very out of touch with it :P |
| 18:01.33 | Shirik | also whyyyy |
| 18:01.59 | foxlit | "because fuck you" is the default stance since 5.0 |
| 18:02.14 | Shirik | that actually ruins a project I was planning to do (but probably would never finish) |
| 18:02.35 | Neffi | :| |
| 18:02.50 | pompy | Arrowmaster: xbox one does that too |
| 18:02.53 | Shirik | I got a decent way on it then had other things to do |
| 18:02.57 | Arrowmaster | one of the games up for community choice on steam has a GFWL drm warning |
| 18:03.00 | foxlit | it's np; lua-on-lua is clearly the way to go. |
| 18:03.03 | Arrowmaster | pompy: really???? |
| 18:03.10 | pompy | Dead Rising 3 demo has 2 playthrough attempts, and get to play for 20 minutes |
| 18:03.11 | Arrowmaster | so happy decided not to buy it |
| 18:03.13 | Shirik | well that's part of what it was |
| 18:03.17 | pompy | if u die ur playthrough attempt is gone' |
| 18:03.19 | Shirik | but I was using string.dump to link the two environments together |
| 18:03.32 | Shirik | I wanted to make a full-blown debugger |
| 18:06.01 | pompy | and Arrowmaster guess they didnt strip gfwl for RFG yet then |
| 18:06.41 | Arrowmaster | without developer support it wont happen, game could be dead in the water soon |
| 18:07.19 | Arrowmaster | microsoft needs to stop being cockgobblers and let doublefine remove GFWL from Iron Brigade |
| 18:08.02 | Fisker | why can't they remove it? |
| 18:08.17 | Arrowmaster | microsoft published the game, they cant do anything without microsofts permission |
| 18:08.40 | Fisker | uh |
| 18:08.53 | Fisker | That's pretty much literally hitler right there |
| 18:09.22 | Arrowmaster | i hope they remove it anyway and release a steamworks version once GFWL shuts down and dare microsoft to sue them |
| 18:09.31 | Fisker | "Hey we're discontinuing this service which will impact products we published, but we won't let the developer, at no cost to ourself, remove the service from the game" |
| 18:15.33 | pompy | so same with Microsoft Flight, bc dev stopped on that too |
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| 19:28.29 | Neffi | lua> getmetatable('').__index.sub = print; string.sub('s') |
| 19:28.29 | lua_bot | Neffi: luabot:1: attempt to index field '__index' (a nil value) |
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| 19:47.31 | karl_w_w | well, that was an unexpected plot twist: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keaE7QTKTYE |
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| 19:53.42 | zenzelezz | it was Hodor all along, wasn't it |
| 19:55.12 | karl_w_w | that's right, hodor electrocuted roger rabbit |
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| 20:37.38 | Semlar | neffi getmetatable('').sub |
| 20:40.47 | Arrowmaster | i just got holidaybullshit 8 11 and 12 in the mail today |
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| 20:41.55 | Neffi | Semlar: no semlar |
| 20:42.24 | Neffi | It's indeex getmetatable''.__index.sub. luabot just has a non-standard implementation somewhere (I think in the metatables) |
| 20:42.43 | Arrowmaster | missing days 4 5 7 9 (10 if they are actually mailing something for that) |
| 20:42.57 | Arrowmaster | 11 and 12 arent even on the site yet but i have them |
| 20:43.14 | Semlar | no there is no __index for getmetatable('') |
| 20:46.10 | Arrowmaster | so im missing the extra card game and 3 packs of cards.... |
| 20:46.20 | Arrowmaster | the worst ones to get lost in the mail |
| 20:49.56 | Neffi | Semlar: yes there is http://i.imgur.com/nUwMlzm.png |
| 20:50.21 | Semlar | lua> print(getmetatable(”).sub) |
| 20:50.21 | lua_bot | Semlar: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near 'â' |
| 20:50.28 | Semlar | i don't even |
| 20:50.39 | Neffi | this is exactly why ('somestring'):sub(1) works |
| 20:50.40 | Semlar | I DIDN'T SAY 'â' |
| 20:50.55 | Neffi | luabot is modified in some way and the metatables don't work the same |
| 20:51.06 | Semlar | i'm tellin you in-game it doesn't have an index |
| 20:51.14 | Semlar | every function is directly under the metatable |
| 20:51.17 | Neffi | Then WoW's lua is modified in the same way |
| 20:51.25 | Semlar | then lua bot is doin its job |
| 20:51.31 | Neffi | In reference Lua, it's as my image shows |
| 20:51.48 | Neffi | I was testing this out for use in refernece Lua, not WoW |
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| 20:57.06 | Semlar | also replacing sub with print causes the interface to get very upset |
| 20:58.32 | Neffi | yes I would assume so |
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| 21:01.38 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/nTG4nOp.jpg |
| 21:02.06 | Semlar | no neffi |
| 21:02.12 | Neffi | yes semlar |
| 21:02.21 | Semlar | stahp |
| 21:02.41 | Neffi | you cant make me |
| 21:03.10 | Semlar | unfortunately |
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| 22:08.36 | Soopie | Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction to fix "FrameXML\InterfaceOptionsFrame.lua:431: Usage: InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToCategory("categoryName" or panel)" |
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| 22:14.37 | Semlar | Soopie: http://wowpedia.org/Using_the_Interface_Options_Addons_panel |
| 22:15.40 | Soopie | Thanks. I thought I had already checked their, but I guess i missed it. |
| 22:17.10 | foxlit | repeatedly stabs GetQuestLogLeaderBoard, and the rest of the quest log API. |
| 22:18.20 | foxlit | If given a time machine, I'd would probably first erase the notion that header collapsing/expanding should be managed in C from the wow API. |
| 22:18.43 | kd3|hate`net | did they actually fix it where calling into the interface options shows the correct category? |
| 22:19.30 | foxlit | no. |
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| 22:20.11 | foxlit | can work around that in addon code, though, so it's like double plus never on the priority list. |
| 22:20.15 | Semlar | calling it twice makes it work but that is a horrible solution |
| 22:20.40 | Semlar | especially since just using it in the first place taints things |
| 22:21.23 | foxlit | but for bonus points, did you figure out /why/ (and since when?) it taints things? |
| 22:21.24 | Semlar | i just like the idea of them creating an api for addons to create an options panel and then letting it taint everything |
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| 22:22.00 | foxlit | Let me float the following idea in advance of actually going through with it: |
| 22:22.08 | Semlar | all i know is that using even the most basic of the interface options api immediately taints it and i don't remember what it affected but it wasn't meaningless |
| 22:22.09 | foxlit | we need a public bugtracker for FrameXML issues. |
| 22:22.31 | Semlar | and it has been broken for years |
| 22:23.09 | kd3 | if we could get the ui devs on board, the steam-linux on github issue tracker system would be simple enough to do |
| 22:23.10 | Semlar | oh i remember, if you had the taintlog enabled a while back it would actually throw errors in-game because of it but i think they fixed that, possibly |
| 22:23.54 | Semlar | it was breaking the dropdown menu on my map or something |
| 22:23.59 | foxlit | kd3: I don't particularly care whether the ui devs are on board or not. Having a public list of "here's 192 instances of you being incompetent" might be motivation enough. |
| 22:24.41 | foxlit | It'll at least be useful in letting addon authors have a list of known things to avoid / blame stuff on. |
| 22:24.45 | Semlar | all the pet journal api functions are all affected by the filter C side too and it drives me nuts |
| 22:24.51 | kd3 | true |
| 22:25.19 | Semlar | if you want to get a list of what pets they have you have to first go through and make sure every filter is disabled |
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| 22:25.34 | Semlar | MADNESS |
| 22:25.44 | foxlit | and then put the filters back, because otherwise pet journal gets upset. |
| 22:25.48 | Semlar | of course |
| 22:26.06 | Semlar | god knows what'll happen if you do it without the journal being loaded |
| 22:26.36 | Semlar | who designs these things |
| 22:29.12 | foxlit | people for whom the only running code is framexml, obviously. |
| 22:29.45 | Soopie | Got it working |
| 22:30.04 | Soopie | Thanks :D |
| 22:30.06 | foxlit | yeah, you were calling the function with nil/otherwise invalid arguments. |
| 22:31.37 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.39 | foxlit | missed Heroic Scenarios etc |
| 22:32.55 | Soopie | Over the past few weeks Ive been basically teaching myself lua / winging it while I write an ingame config for my UI. Thank god I was already familiar with Java and PHP and all the other web languages |
| 22:33.03 | Semlar | i don't want to split heroic and normal scenarios |
| 22:33.18 | Semlar | i think that would be overkill |
| 22:33.23 | foxlit | so why bother splitting dungeons and heroic dungeons? |
| 22:33.45 | foxlit | mop heroics are pretty much level 90 instances. |
| 22:34.03 | Semlar | i'm not sure if i should bother doing that either |
| 22:34.12 | Semlar | i might just have Dungeons |
| 22:34.44 | foxlit | Scenarios / Dungeons / Raids might fit better. |
| 22:34.52 | foxlit | You probably don't want to split people too much, because that makes it awkward to find stuff. |
| 22:35.43 | foxlit | I think the Wyrmrest Accord option has something to do with your realm, but it's unclear what, and that might be awkward with other realm names. |
| 22:36.08 | Semlar | i want one of the options to be for a local realm group |
| 22:36.16 | foxlit | "My realm" |
| 22:36.44 | Semlar | i've also been using global strings so i don't have to localize things and nothing really fits |
| 22:38.19 | nevcairiel | foxlit: we figured out a while ago what actually taints when using the interface addon options, in case you're interested |
| 22:38.47 | foxlit | My understanding is that you pointed to panel.name |
| 22:39.08 | nevcairiel | we even told blizzard, and their response was stupid, they said they plan to fix one of the symptoms, not the issue :p |
| 22:39.24 | nevcairiel | well yes, thats one of the things it taints on |
| 22:39.28 | nevcairiel | the calling order is just bad |
| 22:39.38 | foxlit | I don't recall having an issue before 5.x, though, so did something change then, or was it always this bad? |
| 22:40.01 | nevcairiel | i think it was always bad, but changes to the raid frames may have made it more visible |
| 22:40.18 | Semlar | you don't think i should split up flex, word bosses and other raids? |
| 22:40.32 | Semlar | it could be messy putting them all under one category |
| 22:40.55 | foxlit | fix it later if it becomes messy |
| 22:41.03 | Semlar | fixing it later is going to be extremely difficult |
| 22:41.19 | nevcairiel | I documented the reason for the taint here: http://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=327674&postcount=3 .. such an easy fix, re-order the function, or securecall something in there, or something, but i doubt it'll be fixed in 6.0 |
| 22:41.26 | nevcairiel | but i'm open for positive surprises! |
| 22:41.52 | foxlit | fix it by stealing data from InterfaceOptions* in an addon. |
| 22:42.06 | Semlar | someone running an older version is going to create their group under the "raid" category and someone running a newer one isn't even going to have a raid category |
| 22:42.23 | foxlit | methodically kill older versions. |
| 22:42.49 | Semlar | yeah but i'd prefer it to be as forward compatible as possible |
| 22:43.16 | Semlar | i mean if i have to make changes later fine but ideally the categories should be pretty final |
| 22:44.08 | nevcairiel | the whole thing sounds like creating a sub-culture of people that run your addon inside the raid browser, and people that don't run it get weird entries instead |
| 22:44.20 | Semlar | people that don't run it will never see any of this |
| 22:44.28 | nevcairiel | thats even worse |
| 22:45.02 | Semlar | too bad |
| 22:45.33 | nevcairiel | if there is 10 such addons, you split the playerbase, instead of having one large pool |
| 22:45.59 | Semlar | that sounds like tomorrow's problem |
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| 22:46.51 | Semlar | right now the raid browser doesn't provide a solution for people wanting to create a group for something that isn't on the list |
| 22:47.33 | Semlar | and there is currently only one alternative, which most people aren't very happy with |
| 22:47.58 | nevcairiel | well then dont add stuff that it does provide a solution for, so there is no splitting |
| 22:49.21 | nevcairiel | its in everyones best interest to use the same system |
| 22:49.23 | Semlar | bit of a conflict of interest as an addon author, really |
| 22:50.41 | Semlar | if it's easy for me to add a category that encompasses what the raid browser already offers, should i exclude it simply because people can swap over to that |
| 22:50.48 | Semlar | frankly i don't like the raid browser |
| 22:51.19 | Semlar | it doesn't provide all of the information that someone creating a group might want |
| 22:51.29 | kd3 | neither does blizz, but it's all we've got until 6.0 and we get the super-awesome cross-realm group finder with unicorns thing |
| 22:51.31 | Semlar | it's not really as flexible as it could be |
| 22:52.01 | nevcairiel | its a very old solution that never was really finished, they just activated it as a stop-gap measure |
| 22:52.06 | nevcairiel | however, people are using it |
| 22:52.26 | Semlar | right, but forcing people to use it in addition to my addon wouldn't be ideal |
| 22:52.35 | foxlit | you could, of course, aim to make your addon compatible with normal raid browser users. |
| 22:52.44 | Semlar | i wanted to |
| 22:52.50 | Semlar | but the way it's set up really makes that imposible |
| 22:53.00 | nevcairiel | you assume people will jump on your addon like its the best thing since sliced bread |
| 22:53.08 | nevcairiel | its not like many people need groups for anything but raid content |
| 22:53.22 | nevcairiel | maybe for pvp, i dont know shit about pvp |
| 22:54.06 | foxlit | wtb IsQuestObjectiveComplete(questID, objectiveIndex) |
| 22:54.08 | Semlar | if it fails then it won't interfere with the raid browser |
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| 22:54.17 | Semlar | i don't really see the problem |
| 22:54.25 | nevcairiel | that you dont, that is the problem |
| 22:55.19 | Semlar | you see it as splitting the player base away from the raid browser, killing off potential groups |
| 22:55.30 | Semlar | i see it as providing an alternative to OQ |
| 22:55.35 | Semlar | of which there are none |
| 22:56.44 | Semlar | do you honestly believe there are going to be copycats popping up all over the place |
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| 23:00.39 | foxlit | hm, that was surprisingly easy due to out-of-normal-range indices for collapsed quests. |
| 23:06.17 | nevcairiel | in any case, the fact remains that its in the players best interest to have one raid finding pool, if you want to suplement that with choices for content thats not offered right now, great, but offering the same content just hurts the system. Especially if your addon happens to be a success, it screws all the casual players that don't keep updated about which FOTM addon is hot right now |
| 23:08.14 | nevcairiel | anyhow, time for sleep |
| 23:10.22 | nevcairiel | (also, lets hope their 6.0 group finder will be as great as we've been promised) |
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| 23:11.24 | Semlar-Laptop | neffiii |
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| 23:35.19 | Kesava | ... |
| 23:35.29 | Kesava | eu battle.net entirely down for anyone else? |
| 23:35.39 | Kesava | oh okay it's back as soon as i say that. |
| 23:43.54 | Neffi | Semlar-Laptop: semlarrrr |
| 23:44.43 | Semlar-Laptop | neffi! |
| 23:45.02 | Semlar-Laptop | HI NEFFI |
| 23:45.29 | Neffi | HI SEMLAR |
| 23:45.43 | Neffi | hey semlar do you play horde or ally? |
| 23:45.48 | Semlar-Laptop | HORDE |
| 23:45.52 | Neffi | cool |
| 23:45.54 | Semlar-Laptop | WHAT KIND OF QUESTION IS THAT |
| 23:46.11 | Neffi | maybe i will resub. so this way i can bug you ingame |
| 23:46.20 | Neffi | cross over to your realm and follow you around |
| 23:46.23 | Semlar-Laptop | no |
| 23:46.26 | Neffi | yes |
| 23:46.31 | Neffi | you have no power here |
| 23:46.38 | Semlar-Laptop | why you cyberstalking me |
| 23:46.43 | Neffi | cuz ur cute |
| 23:46.48 | Semlar-Laptop | i barely have a connection |
| 23:47.05 | Neffi | :O |
| 23:47.10 | Neffi | I thought we had a wonderful connection |
| 23:47.20 | Neffi | ;) |
| 23:48.08 | Neffi | no but srs im gonna bug you ingame |
| 23:48.11 | Neffi | kk |
| 23:50.44 | Neffi | Has there been any more recent news on 6.0/WoD? |
| 23:51.26 | kd3 | probably not until after next year |
| 23:51.55 | Neffi | I hope you mean during next year |
| 23:52.17 | kd3 | s/next year/new year's/ |
| 23:59.27 | Neffi | I assume the stat squish is still tentative? |
