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| 00:39.56 | Neffi | http://imgur.com/gallery/1AeGk heh |
| 00:40.12 | Neffi | Legolas really did have the most interesting and telling body language |
| 00:40.58 | Semlar | apes are not monkeys neffi, the librarian would be very upset to hear you say that |
| 00:41.24 | Neffi | Semlar: apes are indeed monkeys, Semlar, and I dont care what the librarians think of it |
| 01:16.37 | pompy1 | http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2013-11/enhanced/webdr03/17/22/enhanced-buzz-25619-1384744561-2.jpg WOW |
| 01:19.48 | Neffi | "Trust me, I've got a doctor on my leg" |
| 01:32.16 | Semlar | no |
| 01:34.11 | Neffi | yes |
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| 02:03.32 | Atriace | You know that moment when someone brings an expensive present for your wife at a party, but he apparently forgot she was dead when he announced the gift? |
| 02:03.52 | Atriace | That's how I'm feeling at the absence of the debug library in WoW right now. |
| 02:04.24 | Atriace | Am I missing something, or did Blizzard really remove it? |
| 02:04.32 | Atriace | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-debug.getinfo |
| 02:05.30 | kd3 | afaik it got pulled |
| 02:06.10 | Dagmar | Semlar: Understatement. The Librarian would be likely to knock him out cold for that |
| 02:06.21 | Semlar | >_> |
| 02:09.29 | TC-Work | Dagmar: Only if he was called that |
| 02:10.22 | TC-Work | Also I see Neffi did not get the reference. |
| 02:10.43 | Dagmar | Clearly he does not read the right books |
| 02:10.49 | TC-Work | Indeed |
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| 02:19.13 | Atriace | Is there no text selection support in ScrollingMessageFrame? http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/ScrollingMessageFrame |
| 02:40.42 | Neffi | I guess I did not |
| 02:40.51 | Neffi | what book is this? |
| 02:41.33 | Neffi | Atriace: It doesn't exist, probably because it would allow you to do unsafe things and otherwise break through the security/abstraction of the secure system |
| 02:41.55 | Neffi | Atriace: debugstack exists as a reference to debug.traceback. What else did you need? |
| 02:42.20 | Neffi | Atriace: And no, no selection support in that AFAIK |
| 02:42.33 | TC-Work | "<Neffi> what book is this?" Really? |
| 02:42.33 | Atriace | Neffi: getinfo specifically. |
| 02:43.04 | Atriace | I think I'm going to have to roll my own textfield to get the functionality I'm looking for. |
| 02:43.20 | Neffi | TC-Work: you act as though I've committed some atrocity |
| 02:43.29 | TC-Work | Neffi: You have. |
| 02:43.46 | TC-Work | ~wowprogramming |
| 02:43.46 | purl | methinks wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire (jnwhiteh) and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 02:44.28 | Neffi | If the Librarian is so stern about apes not being monkeys, it can't be too great |
| 02:44.34 | Neffi | ;) |
| 02:45.08 | TC-Work | No, he has an issue with being called an Ape or Monkey. |
| 02:45.23 | Neffi | Is he a human? |
| 02:45.39 | TC-Work | Nope, Orangutan. |
| 02:45.48 | Neffi | Well then he's still both |
| 02:46.03 | TC-Work | You would still die. |
| 02:46.18 | Neffi | I seem to still be alive by my reckoning |
| 02:46.37 | TC-Work | Yes, we are talking about fantasy..... |
| 02:47.12 | Neffi | then I'm safe |
| 03:10.56 | Dagmar | This is an ape who has been known to tamper with causality. |
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| 03:30.48 | hekili | Anybody got a pro-tip for what I'm doing wrong that about 40% of the time the packager doesn't put up my latest SVN commit? |
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| 03:35.00 | Gnarfoz | step 1: try #wowace instead |
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| 03:57.40 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: ^ |
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| 04:17.54 | jleclanche | any windows 7+ user online with a few games installed? |
| 04:18.08 | jleclanche | i need a screenshot of your "my games" directory in the windows file manager |
| 04:18.13 | airtonix | nah they died out with the last plague |
| 04:18.26 | jleclanche | pb_ee1: yo |
| 04:18.34 | pb_ee1 | jleclanche: pong |
| 04:18.40 | jleclanche | pb_ee1: see above |
| 04:18.47 | pb_ee1 | ow |
| 04:18.49 | pb_ee1 | gimme a sec |
| 04:18.57 | Thunder_Child | You mean 'saved games'? |
| 04:19.06 | Thunder_Child | in win 8 at least |
| 04:19.08 | pb_ee1 | Wait this folder is so unused that I hid it |
| 04:19.08 | jleclanche | yeah windows 8 renamed it to saved games i think |
| 04:19.32 | pb_ee1 | Saved Games as well on win 7 |
| 04:19.39 | pb_ee1 | What do you need? |
| 04:19.48 | pb_ee1 | I see one folder of one of my games that's it |
| 04:19.49 | jleclanche | just a screenshot of the contents in the default fm on windows |
| 04:19.53 | jleclanche | its fine |
| 04:20.00 | pb_ee1 | Nothing here |
| 04:20.02 | jleclanche | mmh |
| 04:20.04 | pb_ee1 | Blank folder fyi |
| 04:20.08 | jleclanche | anyone with contents in it? |
| 04:20.12 | Thunder_Child | Yea |
| 04:20.17 | pb_ee1 | well i got Risen but that's it |
| 04:20.21 | Atriace | jleclanche: why do you need it? |
| 04:20.26 | jleclanche | To hack you |
| 04:20.57 | pb_ee1 | I'm going to **ck you |
| 04:21.20 | jleclanche | licks pb_ee1 |
| 04:21.28 | pb_ee1 | flees |
| 04:21.39 | jleclanche | Thunder_Child: can you screenshot? |
| 04:21.46 | Thunder_Child | jleclanche: working on it |
| 04:22.18 | jleclanche | best of luck |
| 04:22.20 | jleclanche | hope you succeed |
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| 05:30.37 | hekili | http://imgur.com/asXpQ5p |
| 05:31.11 | hekili | @jleclanche |
| 05:31.26 | jleclanche | thanks, got what i wanted tho |
| 05:40.29 | Fisker | a picture of cats? |
| 05:56.03 | Neffi | I think I'm a robot |
| 05:56.11 | Neffi | I find it almost impossible to read captchas |
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| 06:11.18 | Mr_Rabies | i hate that the version of WoW that you fly over in areas capable of being CRZ is no longer accessible :( |
| 06:11.33 | Mr_Rabies | so many unkilled rare spawns blasting my silverdragon |
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| 06:16.57 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 06:18.21 | Neffi | Semlar: that's way too happy |
| 06:18.43 | Semlar | -_- |
| 06:18.52 | Neffi | that's better |
| 06:19.01 | Semlar | n_n |
| 06:19.24 | Neffi | that doesnt even make sense |
| 06:23.40 | Semlar | stop making sense |
| 06:26.44 | Semlar | talking heads |
| 06:29.35 | airtonix | http://i.imgur.com/V6NEg7L.gif |
| 06:29.40 | airtonix | there's some sense for ya |
| 06:29.44 | Mr_Rabies | hmmm |
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| 06:30.02 | Semlar | what is this a gif for ants |
| 06:30.18 | Mr_Rabies | my dad's tablet is coming in tomorrow but will require signature, wonder if it's a bad idea to release the shipment |
| 06:30.25 | airtonix | enter the furniture repairman, part nine |
| 06:30.38 | airtonix | sequels are always better |
| 06:31.27 | Semlar | sequels are never better |
| 06:31.40 | Mr_Rabies | sequels are sometimes better? |
| 06:31.54 | Semlar | alright we have all our bases covered |
| 06:32.16 | Mr_Rabies | i honestly like the second book in the ender's game series more than the first |
| 06:32.20 | Mr_Rabies | the first is neat and all i guess |
| 06:32.32 | Semlar | i was thinking about movies |
| 06:32.37 | Neffi | The Lord of the Rings was a better novel than The Hobbit |
| 06:32.40 | Neffi | There, I said it |
| 06:33.14 | Semlar | i thought the hobbit was just a little thing he wrote after everything else |
| 06:33.26 | Neffi | The Hobbit he wrote first |
| 06:33.27 | Semlar | to add some backstory |
| 06:33.37 | Neffi | He hadn't visualized any of the deeper story or world building yet |
| 06:33.55 | Neffi | LotR was when he really started to envision the epic backstory |
| 06:34.04 | Mr_Rabies | i tried to read the hobbit in elementary school |
| 06:34.11 | Mr_Rabies | like, 15 dwarf songs in i stopped |
| 06:34.16 | Neffi | lol |
| 06:34.24 | Neffi | His books got less jolly as time went on |
| 06:34.29 | Neffi | Read The Children of Hurin |
| 06:34.34 | Neffi | that shit's grim as fuck |
| 06:35.44 | Neffi | Well The Hobbit was unquestionably a children's book, and I don't think he was serious about his larger aspirations for the Middle-Earth lore at that point |
| 06:36.22 | Mr_Rabies | i was pretty much batman in this part: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0mHUlxWq7g#t=49 (don't watch more than a few seconds or read the description/comments if you don't wanna spoil a huge part of the movie) |
| 06:37.01 | Neffi | it wasn't *that* bad |
| 06:37.18 | Neffi | But it is a really polarizing book. Either you hate it, or you love it. |
| 06:37.19 | Mr_Rabies | it is when you're like, eight |
| 06:37.30 | Neffi | I loved it personally |
| 06:37.52 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't seen the hobbit film(s) yet but i am looking forward to dwarf songs in that though |
| 06:38.21 | Neffi | It's a really solid story. Just too jolly and out there for most people. And certain liberties he takes with the plot to make it child-accessible nag more purist readers. |
| 06:38.56 | Mr_Rabies | jolly's a good thing imo |
| 06:39.01 | Mr_Rabies | not enough jolly things are well-written |
| 06:39.18 | Mr_Rabies | they always pander to kids way too heavily and assume they're really, really dumb |
| 06:39.46 | Neffi | Mr_Rabies: The Hobbit 1 wasn't very good. I was incredibly disappointed. But, after letting the whole story digest you realize that the plot is actually not bad, and he left a lot of things ready for a very good sequel. |
| 06:39.50 | Neffi | So hopefully 2 and 3 are good |
| 06:40.42 | Mr_Rabies | for example, Batman: Brave and the Bold, is jolly and well written and not pandering at all and it's amazing |
| 06:40.55 | Neffi | Mr_Rabies: Tolkien never did that. He just wasn't as stringent with the Hobbit as with his other stories. Like unexplainable conveniences to avoid killing main characters. That's where I feel he catered to kids in the Hobbit. |
| 06:40.56 | Mr_Rabies | it doesn't assume kids know who these obscure characters are, but it doesn't handhold them either |
| 06:41.06 | Mr_Rabies | it gives you the info you need to know via expository language and context |
| 06:41.16 | Mr_Rabies | and then you have kids that know who freakin' crazy quilt is |
| 06:41.19 | Mr_Rabies | for the first time in 40 years |
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| 06:43.44 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAFP0IoMfsA i love brave and the bold so much |
| 06:44.20 | Neffi | I never got into superheros |
| 06:47.16 | Mr_Rabies | brave and the bold basically got me back into them |
| 06:47.25 | Mr_Rabies | i liked the batman movies okay, and loved the cartoons as a kid |
| 06:47.34 | Mr_Rabies | but brave and the bold is just...amazing |
| 06:49.23 | Neffi | I'm about done with trying out MMOs only to find they suck |
| 06:49.25 | Mr_Rabies | it ranges from the often silly to more serious drama than i'd ever expect in a kid's show |
| 06:49.29 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knhG5JN-1xo |
| 06:49.29 | Neffi | Back to WoW I suppose |
| 06:49.33 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, pretty much how i felt neffi |
| 06:49.38 | Mr_Rabies | need an SoR? |
| 06:49.50 | Neffi | Haven't been cancelled for long enough, but thanks |
| 06:50.02 | Mr_Rabies | ah okay |
| 06:50.19 | Neffi | I can't believe how hard it must be to make an MMO as good as WoW, because nobody seems to have done it yet |
| 06:50.25 | Mr_Rabies | i wish they'd open SoR up to the same mount system as RAF |
| 06:50.37 | Mr_Rabies | well, the big issue is, neffi |
| 06:50.47 | Mr_Rabies | that most of them try to be wow clones, because wow's successful |
| 06:50.47 | Neffi | the big issue is me? =P |
| 06:50.59 | Neffi | mhmm |
| 06:51.07 | Mr_Rabies | and none of them can be as good as wow, really, without the care and budget that has been put into wow |
| 06:51.20 | Neffi | and you've got games that lack the polish, charm, maturity, direction and proven design of what they're trying to clone |
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| 06:51.39 | Mr_Rabies | the reason wow is so successful is because it wasn't just another crappy EQ clone |
| 06:51.43 | Neffi | That's why I won't play Rift |
| 06:51.54 | Mr_Rabies | that's what's gonna be needed for the next big thing |
| 06:52.04 | Mr_Rabies | something that doesn't try to be wow, but learns from its mistakes |
| 06:52.05 | Neffi | Any game that by its very premise tries to clone a successful franchise, has zero artistic integrity and will never be worthwhile |
| 06:52.15 | Mr_Rabies | thing is, wow learns from its mistakes too |
| 06:52.30 | Mr_Rabies | and will happily implement the best features from its competition |
| 06:52.39 | Mr_Rabies | and learns from their mistakes |
| 06:52.53 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, that's how i feel about path of exile, neffi |
| 06:53.01 | Mr_Rabies | it feels like diablo 2, with all of its problems |
| 06:53.09 | Mr_Rabies | it has some neat systems, but like |
| 06:53.18 | Mr_Rabies | no respec, really? |
| 06:53.31 | Mr_Rabies | the talent system is insanely stupid too |
| 06:53.39 | Mr_Rabies | it looks deep, but it's just complicated for no reason |
| 06:53.46 | Mr_Rabies | 90% of the things on the talent trees are like |
| 06:53.49 | Mr_Rabies | +10 Dex |
| 06:54.13 | Semlar | +10 sex |
| 06:54.37 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree |
| 06:54.45 | Mr_Rabies | i'll take diablo 3's skill system any day of the week |
| 06:54.47 | pompy1 | Parnic: http://amzn.com/B00ELJRNPG and http://amzn.com/B00CPBZDQ8 lol silly! |
| 06:54.57 | Mr_Rabies | i feel that's a massive improvement over D2's skill system |
| 06:55.16 | Mr_Rabies | so much room for variety in builds, plenty of room to play around with new play styles |
| 06:55.37 | Mr_Rabies | instead of being forced into proven builds because your character will be irreparably broken at higher difficulties if you don't |
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| 08:31.00 | karl_w_w | well this bug is annoying |
| 08:31.40 | karl_w_w | i dont know if it's a windows 8.1 bug or what but occasionally my sound just gets quieter |
| 08:31.54 | karl_w_w | it happened just now when I plugged my phone in |
| 08:34.59 | karl_w_w | oh interesting, there are 5 copies of Digital Audio (HDMI) in my playback devices |
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| 08:42.13 | airtonix | jleclanche: is jolla the people who made sailfish? |
| 08:42.19 | jleclanche | yes |
| 08:43.31 | airtonix | i wonder if it would make my galaxy s1 not be shit |
| 08:43.44 | jleclanche | no |
| 08:43.56 | jleclanche | it has very little hardware support |
| 08:44.42 | jleclanche | airtonix: why not try CM? |
| 08:44.52 | airtonix | it already runs CM |
| 08:45.02 | airtonix | still slow as hell |
| 08:45.16 | airtonix | so far behind my nexus 4 |
| 08:45.26 | airtonix | and my galaxy nexus |
| 08:45.49 | nevcairiel | maybe thats because its significantly older? :d |
| 08:45.58 | airtonix | nah |
| 08:46.02 | jleclanche | adys.wh@gmail.com>>fGn1~|[>K3a73<M"np*&y_72zXm<p?j6rh~QQ c|OQ{Y{DWZN]u&yE>L:QJItN(q(JE*{-\,W0{O7E<"aaL69eO}+QC0l><Q1d`TKox*7H. yEHd-9rvQzked$p8?. |
| 08:46.05 | jleclanche | god fucking damn it |
| 08:46.15 | nevcairiel | need a new gmail password now? |
| 08:46.26 | jleclanche | no, its just some random site |
| 08:46.37 | airtonix | it's mainly to do with the fact that the s1 has a shitty storage device |
| 08:48.09 | jleclanche | airtonix: tried an older version of CM? |
| 08:50.04 | Stanzilla | jleclanche: that is a pretty long pwd |
| 08:51.23 | jleclanche | keepass makes it easy |
| 08:51.36 | jleclanche | on the bright side it lets me uncover all sorts of bugs. |
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| 09:36.32 | karl_w_w | oh good, now there are 6 entried for hdmi audio out, but they are numbered! "# - Digital Display Audio" |
| 09:37.41 | zenzio | yup |
| 09:38.54 | airtonix | i should move to a northern continent, this heat sucks |
| 09:39.32 | karl_w_w | and I can't get action center to tell me I have windows updates without telling me I need to change the settings to "download and install everything for me because I'm fucking inept" or whatever the setting is called |
| 09:40.14 | karl_w_w | and I can't get centre to be spelled correctly even if I change my region settings to somewhere that knows how to spell |
| 09:40.26 | karl_w_w | me and windows are having a good day |
| 09:40.36 | karl_w_w | more restarts |
| 09:40.58 | airtonix | one of the reasons why i stopped using it 6 years ago KarlKFI |
| 09:41.12 | airtonix | ffff |
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| 10:25.21 | zenzio | karl_w_w: doesn't your Windows action center have a "Turn of messages about..."? I know mine does; that shuts up the "you fool" warning but maintains the icon that shows there are updates |
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| 10:45.32 | karl_w_w | i dont get the icon that shows there are updates |
| 10:46.12 | karl_w_w | so I downloaded a thing which does it |
| 10:47.04 | zenzio | interesting... which version of Windows? |
| 10:48.53 | karl_w_w | 8.1 |
| 10:50.29 | airtonix | omg fragmentation |
| 10:51.16 | karl_w_w | fragments airtonix |
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| 10:54.16 | nevcairiel | the button is still there on 8.1 |
| 10:54.20 | nevcairiel | i used it :p |
| 10:54.38 | karl_w_w | what button |
| 10:54.47 | nevcairiel | to disable the warnings |
| 10:55.09 | airtonix | but if you disable the warnings, what's left of windows? |
| 10:55.15 | karl_w_w | yes, but I'm not talking about the warnings :P |
| 10:55.28 | karl_w_w | I'm talking about it never telling me I have pending updates |
| 10:55.30 | nevcairiel | shrug, i get info when there are updates |
| 10:57.22 | zenzio | are you sure you didn't tell Windows Update itself to not tell you about updates? I believe that's separate from action center's setting |
| 11:02.58 | karl_w_w | that was the case in 7 |
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| 11:25.24 | airtonix | facebook redireting to #_=_ is dumb |
| 11:26.57 | airtonix | how about not add crap? |
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| 11:40.53 | airtonix | jleclanche: you heard of xip.io ? |
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| 12:10.20 | Arrowmaster | im not sure if i should be amazed or concerned, im averaging over 1lb of weight loss per day on this diet i started earlier this month without any exercise |
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| 12:10.58 | nevcairiel | probably just getting out the excess water |
| 12:11.04 | nevcairiel | it'll come back when you stop, no worries |
| 12:11.20 | Arrowmaster | i still drink the same amount of water |
| 12:11.37 | nevcairiel | doesnt have much to do with drinking |
| 12:12.57 | nevcairiel | certain diets just trigger your body to get rid of the excess water stored in the cells, its not harmful, but it also doesnt make you thinner |
| 12:13.31 | nevcairiel | but it does give a nice fake statistic |
| 12:13.42 | zenzio | one pound, that's a little under 500 grams? |
| 12:14.01 | zenzio | 450. That doesn't sound too bad, as long as it stabilizes |
| 12:14.10 | Arrowmaster | well im trying keto, not sure when ill stop if it keeps working |
| 12:14.31 | nevcairiel | zenzio: thats too much to be real fat loss without excercise, its just impossible |
| 12:14.34 | Arrowmaster | friends been on it for over a year and has lost a lot |
| 12:15.30 | zenzio | keto sounds familiar; think my colleagues used that when they started low-carb; but they only used it until they reached the target weight - then went over to just low-carb |
| 12:15.56 | Arrowmaster | yeah keto is just really low-carb |
| 12:16.37 | Arrowmaster | ive not been keeping track very well but id estimate im under 50g of carbs per day |
| 12:16.45 | zenzio | I remember they were all peeing on some sort of stick to measure it. Not the most intriguing lunch discussions we had |
| 12:17.08 | Arrowmaster | yeah theres sticks to measure if your body is in ketosis |
| 12:17.12 | zenzio | once they reached their target weight, they settled for about 50 grams |
| 12:17.19 | Arrowmaster | i dont have any |
| 12:17.48 | Arrowmaster | well i started at 280lbs and id like to get down to 200lbs |
| 12:20.44 | Arrowmaster | was 263.5lbs when i got up today |
| 12:24.57 | Arrowmaster | ok off to work |
| 12:25.45 | zenzio | I've been pretty steady at 152-154 lbs for a long time; without any kind of (intentional) diet |
| 12:27.39 | nevcairiel | i'm pretty steady these days, but it could be steady at a lower point :p |
| 13:10.04 | Sintacks | my wow is using 2.7GB of ram |
| 13:10.05 | Sintacks | wee |
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| 14:20.52 | airtonix | Sintacks: on a stick? |
| 14:22.00 | Neffi | lol, Sintacks on a stick |
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| 14:25.13 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:25.22 | Fisker | merry christmas! |
| 14:25.38 | Lopeppeppy | Ooof, be nice. I broke myself this morning. Fell on the ice like a sissy. |
| 14:25.49 | Fisker | :( |
| 14:25.59 | Fisker | build Lopeppeppy a fish-based cushion |
| 14:26.19 | Neffi | O.o |
| 14:26.23 | Lopeppeppy | I landed on my hip, not my wrist, but I'm going to be stiff for a few days anyway. |
| 14:26.50 | Fisker | So your hips have to lie for a few days |
| 14:26.51 | Neffi | =( |
| 14:40.05 | Lopeppeppy | I'm looking forward to a long hot bath when I get home, that's for sure. |
| 14:40.48 | zenzio | if you can fight off the cats |
| 14:51.47 | Fisker | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBQ7ukwK56Q |
| 15:00.01 | Fisker | preheats the tub for Lopeppeppy |
| 15:01.03 | Sintacks | rubs Lopeppeppy's hips |
| 15:01.12 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh la la, I'm spoiled. |
| 15:02.28 | Fisker | are you a redhat hacker Lopeppeppy? |
| 15:02.37 | VIad | Fisker: I got a red hat |
| 15:03.02 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.32 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a redhead, does that count? |
| 15:05.05 | Neffi | are you also a hacker? |
| 15:05.41 | Fisker | I figured that was the prerequisite Lopeppeppy |
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| 15:06.57 | VIad | Fisker: I am confused |
| 15:07.21 | VIad | what is the video about? |
| 15:07.45 | Fisker | Noone knows |
| 15:08.15 | Fisker | But she is a disgrace to the master race |
| 15:08.17 | Fisker | isn't that right Lopeppeppy? |
| 15:10.20 | Sintacks | I wish I could guild invite myself on a new toon :| |
| 15:10.23 | VIad | at first I was easing in trying to figure out the point, but at the middle and end I was unsure if she was an expert at all |
| 15:10.55 | Fisker | It's cut together btw VIad |
| 15:10.58 | Fisker | so it's not the entire thing |
| 15:11.04 | Fisker | just greatest hits of stupid shit she said |
| 15:11.24 | VIad | yeah I know, but some of the statements are "okay" and I didn't really notice anything, but most of them I was flabbergasted |
| 15:12.58 | VIad | oh shit Fisker I think I am running Tor as well because of my IP 127.0.0.1 |
| 15:13.35 | Dagmar | Oh hell... You're going to have Harvard and the NSA spywarez all up in your shit soon |
| 15:14.11 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/i/lei.jpg |
| 15:14.15 | VIad | btw it's scary how someone like her can give a speech about something she doesn't really understand - and people might believe her since she is labeled "expert" -_- |
| 15:14.30 | foxlit | I can't seem to figure out what went wrong in that picture. |
| 15:14.49 | Dagmar | foxlit: Someone should have stopped after the jello shots |
| 15:16.30 | Fisker | I don't get it Dagmar |
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| 15:17.44 | Lopeppeppy | I am totally disgraced. I fell on ICE. |
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| 15:18.47 | Fisker | Come on Lopeppeppy |
| 15:19.00 | Fisker | You're not anyway near that bad as that lady hacker |
| 15:19.46 | VIad | anyone else in the marianas web level? |
| 15:20.25 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/FvBJz7e.gif <-Oh I remember this |
| 15:20.46 | VIad | wtf is he doing? |
| 15:21.05 | nevcairiel | failing, apparently |
| 15:21.17 | nevcairiel | looks like coconuts |
| 15:21.26 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 15:21.34 | VIad | his hand in some of the swings, looks painful |
| 15:21.41 | Fisker | If I recall correctly he wanted to beat the world record on live television |
| 15:21.43 | VIad | kind of failing to see what he is trying to accomplish |
| 15:21.54 | VIad | I doubt it is breaking open coconuts |
| 15:22.01 | nevcairiel | i bet it is |
| 15:22.15 | VIad | I bet no fapping with his lefty for months after this |
| 15:22.23 | Fisker | Who faps with your lefty? |
| 15:22.34 | VIad | anyone who uses the right hand for the mice? |
| 15:22.48 | Fisker | well that's intermediary fapping |
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| 15:43.31 | VIad | I don't get it. Why the fuck don't MMS works the same way for all devices? It's a standard like Bluetooth, yet vendors change the behavior just for fucks. |
| 15:43.44 | VIad | Got a MMS from a friend (he uses HTC) and it appeared scrambled. |
| 15:44.02 | VIad | with a weird VCARD and a <HTCData> in the middle of the MMS |
| 15:44.28 | VIad | if the vendors create their own syntax that can't be viewed on other vendor devices then why bother having a standard if people ignore it? |
| 15:45.35 | Sintacks | wat |
| 15:46.59 | Fisker | because everyone is going to have a htc phone VIad |
| 15:47.00 | Fisker | damnit |
| 15:47.11 | VIad | when my friend sends me MMS with his HTC I get a SMS telling me to visit a website (why not directly show the image and text in the messaging app?) anyway, then I proceed to go to the url and login with a key they provide, then I can see the contents of the MMS but it's text with a base64 string that decodes into some weird proprietary data |
| 15:47.55 | VIad | some of the data includes a VCARD entry with facebook IDs for me and him, just out of nowhere... |
| 15:48.10 | VIad | it's basically a MMS only vieweable on a HTC |
| 15:48.20 | VIad | viewable* |
| 15:48.41 | Sintacks | VIad, that's not the phone, that's the carrier |
| 15:49.01 | VIad | so the carrier fucks up the contents of the MMS? |
| 15:49.07 | Sintacks | yes |
| 15:49.14 | VIad | why is the carrier altering the contents? |
| 15:49.23 | VIad | I thought they merely carry the data between devices |
| 15:49.24 | Sintacks | cuz it's not set up right to send MMS |
| 15:49.30 | VIad | sigh |
| 15:49.42 | Sintacks | i'm not 100% sure though |
| 15:49.46 | VIad | but today every carrier automaticaly sets up the settings for mms |
| 15:49.51 | Sintacks | YOU SHOULD BOTH GET AN IPHONE |
| 15:49.54 | Sintacks | and iMessage |
| 15:49.56 | Sintacks | and problems solved |
| 15:49.57 | Sintacks | k |
| 15:49.58 | Sintacks | i go sleep |
| 15:50.24 | VIad | thats what I hate, if the vendors use the common protocols agreed upon this wont happen |
| 15:50.53 | VIad | but noo, apple gotta make their own bluetooth that won't work with other devices, or custom charging cords, or MMS that won't show properly on other vendors, e.g. list goes on |
| 15:50.58 | VIad | makes me wanna kill something |
| 15:51.09 | Fisker | yeah VIad |
| 15:51.14 | Fisker | the SMS thing is your carrier not HTC |
| 15:51.35 | Fisker | They probably think your phone can't handle MMS normally so sends you a link to it as well so you can view it online |
| 15:51.47 | VIad | maybe it's because his HTC sent out a MMS that wasn't properly formatted to be acknowledged as a MMS |
| 15:51.58 | Fisker | no |
| 15:52.00 | VIad | I've received MMS from others |
| 15:52.13 | VIad | but sometimes I get these SMS with links, not often, but sometimes |
| 15:52.15 | Fisker | Not unless they then specifically parse the HTC stuff |
| 15:52.30 | Fisker | That would kinda make sense |
| 15:52.33 | Fisker | but I doubt that |
| 15:55.32 | Dagmar | That "cyber expert" thing is just eye-wateringly bad |
| 15:55.33 | Sintacks | I wish my phone game me one last warning "oh hey. i'm-a turn off in 60 seconds if you don't plug me in" |
| 15:56.18 | VIad | stop playing on your phone, your phone is for messaging and calling only, the rest just drains battery and leaves you unable to actually use the phone for what it's supposed to be used for |
| 15:57.52 | foxlit | in fact, screw messaging. |
| 15:58.00 | foxlit | That's something those damn kids invented. Phones are for calls. |
| 15:58.04 | foxlit | Maybe relaying telegraphs. |
| 15:58.08 | VIad | fax |
| 15:58.23 | foxlit | SHOO, NO TECHNOLOGY INVENTED AFTER THE 60s FOR ANYONE. |
| 15:58.41 | VIad | no but seriously, games is totally off track :P |
| 15:58.54 | VIad | heck I don't even facebook |
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| 16:00.20 | VIad | damn gotta go to the store to buy groceries, but it's rush hour :( |
| 16:04.15 | TC-Work | Then wait |
| 16:04.42 | foxlit | then everything closes for christmas. |
| 16:04.48 | foxlit | He'll have no groceries for the next 8 days. |
| 16:05.52 | VIad | when it's over I'll be 10 kg lighter |
| 16:05.57 | VIad | I have water so I'll survive |
| 16:10.51 | pompy | http://shitprogrammerswrite.com/ lol |
| 16:13.34 | VIad | pompy: too late for me to grab my fork? |
| 16:16.01 | Fisker | SolrDocumentList results = response.getResults(); |
| 16:16.02 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.03 | Fisker | nope pompy |
| 16:16.04 | Fisker | nope |
| 16:16.13 | VIad | return foo == null ? null : foo; |
| 16:17.36 | pompy | http://shitprogrammerswrite.com/post/24019478268/itll-finish-eventually |
| 16:17.38 | pompy | lol |
| 16:19.07 | pompy | Torhal type code ;) http://shitprogrammerswrite.com/post/30105607874/didnt-do-shit-for |
| 16:19.26 | VIad | http://shitprogrammerswrite.com/post/30533142749/you-can-never-be-too-sure |
| 16:20.45 | pompy | http://shitprogrammerswrite.com/post/18930395269/collapse-a-derp haha |
| 16:21.23 | VIad | it just returns the same fields as the paramter! :( |
| 16:22.00 | pompy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.50 | pompy | http://www.curse.com/news/curse/49289-curse-premium-membership-now-includes-a-free-game oh really? |
| 16:25.59 | TC-Work | Yes really |
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| 16:30.52 | Fisker | still the worst fake eu pompy |
| 16:31.04 | pompy | nowai |
| 16:35.04 | VIad | "There are currently no Sweepstakes running at the moment." |
| 16:36.35 | TC-Work | It's not a sweepstaker |
| 16:36.38 | TC-Work | sweepstake*] |
| 16:36.40 | TC-Work | ... |
| 16:36.44 | TC-Work | I give up |
| 16:37.15 | VIad | but TC, look :( |
| 16:37.40 | VIad | TC-Work: http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8449/i58u.jpg |
| 16:37.55 | VIad | (also why does the footer say "Not a member?" when I am clearly logged in?) |
| 16:38.06 | TC-Work | It does that for everyone |
| 16:38.20 | TC-Work | Also, IT IS NOT A SWEEPSTAKE. |
| 16:38.33 | TC-Work | That is why the section is empty |
| 16:38.34 | VIad | but the news link url is http://www.curse.com/myoffers |
| 16:38.46 | VIad | nothing on that page related to Curse and GOG :< |
| 16:39.24 | TC-Work | Looks like a mistake to be in that section then because it is not a sweepstake. |
| 16:39.42 | TC-Work | Since it is not a gamble. |
| 16:40.29 | VIad | I am sure the wrong link in the article will reach CrsNews soon enough for the error to be corrected :) |
| 16:41.04 | karl_w_w | anybody use the twitch app on iOS? |
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| 16:50.58 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eob7V_WtAVg such intensity |
| 16:59.23 | mikma | so doge |
| 16:59.44 | TC-Work | ~lart mikma |
| 16:59.44 | purl | blasts mikma with a huge firehose then strangles mikma with it |
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| 17:04.36 | mikma | karl_w_w: oh that's so epic |
| 17:05.09 | karl_w_w | wow |
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| 17:35.10 | karl_w_w | ooh ooh, I have a guess for what that little game is blizzard are working on |
| 17:35.16 | karl_w_w | tower defense |
| 17:35.32 | nevcairiel | another wc3-map-spinoff? how predictable |
| 17:47.57 | karl_w_w | hence the prediction :P |
| 17:48.42 | karl_w_w | in wow did fist weapons used to not show on characters when they were "sheated" |
| 17:48.48 | karl_w_w | sheated? maybe sheathed |
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| 18:14.05 | Unkle | Have a Merry Freakin' Christmas .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_RH44K0x_4 |
| 18:15.37 | haste | only sound on one ear :( |
| 18:21.54 | karl_w_w | well you know what they say haste, trolling is a art |
| 18:22.08 | Unkle | The original video was released somewhen in the early or mid 90s as an .avi file. So... it's been recompressed, re-formatted, etc. a lot since then. |
| 18:23.05 | Xuerian | ez. oUF: oUF has been improved to only accept pitbull sv files, we view this as a superior configuration method. |
| 18:23.10 | Xuerian | shows himself out. |
| 18:23.19 | haste | :D |
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| 18:27.00 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.38 | karl_w_w | http://i.4cdn.org/b/src/1387563955344.jpg anyone recognise that coin? |
| 18:33.11 | Unkle | What, a US quarter? |
| 18:33.51 | Neffi | looks like a mint, karl_w_w |
| 18:34.20 | karl_w_w | isn't it the wrong colour for a quarter |
| 18:34.43 | Neffi | no |
| 18:34.45 | Semlar | nope |
| 18:34.55 | Neffi | that's definitely a quarter |
| 18:35.07 | Neffi | trust me, it's the largest denomination I carry usually |
| 18:35.09 | karl_w_w | interesting |
| 18:35.19 | Semlar | interesting? |
| 18:35.23 | karl_w_w | as for the pill, that's what we're trying to work out :P |
| 18:35.29 | Semlar | xtc |
| 18:35.44 | karl_w_w | that's the predominant thought |
| 18:35.48 | Neffi | yeah, definitely looks like X |
| 18:35.51 | karl_w_w | one person said it's too big |
| 18:35.59 | karl_w_w | http://boards.4chan.org/b/res/522413225 |
| 18:36.00 | Semlar | you can't possibly tell from looking at it |
| 18:36.01 | Unkle | Quarters are the coin of choice really; vending machines, toll-booths, parking meters, arcade boxes, pinball machines... |
| 18:36.01 | Neffi | it varies in size a lot |
| 18:36.04 | Semlar | you'd have to get it tested |
| 18:36.09 | Neffi | it also looks poorly pressed |
| 18:36.14 | Neffi | but that's not surprising for X |
| 18:36.36 | Neffi | but it's definitely not perscription. Not pressed solidly and too large. |
| 18:36.43 | karl_w_w | "you'd have to get it tested" that's why he's gonna lick it :P |
| 18:37.07 | Neffi | well it's either dangerous, so he shouldn't, or it's fun so he should just eat it |
| 18:37.12 | Semlar | they test drugs for free at raves |
| 18:37.17 | Neffi | actually, strike that, I don't condone illegal activites! |
| 18:37.37 | Neffi | But of all the shit I've seen, I'd say that's almost definitely X |
| 18:38.22 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.41 | Semlar | slips neffi a breathmint |
| 18:52.53 | Neffi | pupils dilate as he begins to energetically dance and smoke way too many cigarettes. |
| 18:52.57 | Neffi | Red Bull! I need a Red Bull! |
| 18:53.36 | Unkle | cranks up the techno music and lasers. |
| 18:54.05 | Maldivia | waits patiently for the cats to start chasing the dots... |
| 18:57.21 | Neffi | Kill the techno man. |
| 18:57.24 | Neffi | Not my scene |
| 18:57.45 | Neffi | Throw on something with crazy drumming. |
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| 18:59.25 | karl_w_w | an african drumming circle? |
| 19:00.36 | Neffi | heh |
| 19:00.41 | Neffi | Some Tool would do |
| 19:01.58 | karl_w_w | http://i.4cdn.org/b/src/1387565007121.jpg very NSFW, pretty funny |
| 19:03.24 | Neffi | haha |
| 19:06.35 | Fisker | until next year Lopeppeppy :( |
| 19:06.50 | Lopeppeppy | Kisses and loves, Fisker. You may yet see me here and there. |
| 19:07.00 | Fisker | \o/ |
| 19:07.07 | Fisker | hope so |
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| 19:30.22 | Ackis | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhk7-5eBCrs |
| 19:35.59 | Unkle | http://myopenletters.com/ho-ho-ho/ "... Canadian winters are cold and boring, we have to keep busy somehow." |
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| 20:10.19 | foxlit | annoying: candy crush ads on curse network sites that open the iOS app store without you interacting with them. |
| 20:11.25 | VIad | foxlit: is that even legal? |
| 20:11.39 | foxlit | Pretty much everyone responsible for allowing that to happen should be subject to barbaric punishment. |
| 20:12.38 | foxlit | Viad: laws generally don't specify what software should and should not do. |
| 20:14.28 | VIad | we need to give iframe more permissions |
| 20:14.49 | VIad | just let ads fetch your sensitive data from the iframe so they let you be |
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| 20:21.35 | Unkle | http://cardsagainsthumanity.com/donorschoose/ |
| 20:22.15 | Lopeppeppy | Ooooh! |
| 20:22.25 | VIad | ugh the pixelation! |
| 20:22.50 | Lopeppeppy | I did that thing! *happy face grin* |
| 20:23.17 | VIad | let me show you how it appears at my end http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/2621/b1ih.jpg |
| 20:25.36 | VIad | Lopeppeppy: good site design never the less |
| 20:29.30 | Dagmar | I've no idea why the video widget was degrading like that on your end |
| 20:29.38 | Dagmar | The whole thing is shiny as hell from over here. |
| 20:29.48 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe because that's a looping animation, Vlad? |
| 20:29.51 | VIad | it plays like that if I show it in the browser player directly |
| 20:30.08 | VIad | fyi it's pixelated like that all around, not only in the stillframe |
| 20:30.25 | Dagmar | Something up with the video codec I guess |
| 20:30.33 | VIad | yeah |
| 20:30.37 | Lopeppeppy | Huh. My chrome loves it, but my Firefox 10.something hates it, so yeah. |
| 20:30.41 | VIad | it must be because it's the same after I download the file too |
| 20:30.51 | VIad | vlc played it like that |
| 20:32.54 | Dagmar | I liked the bit about the pyramids, personally. |
| 20:33.57 | Unkle | IE just has a still |
| 20:33.59 | zenzelezz | of all the things I expect to see when logging into a general chat in an MMO, "did asimov write that Lucky Starr series?" is not one of them |
| 20:34.11 | VIad | zenzelezz: my eyes bleed |
| 20:34.15 | Dagmar | IE is still hoping that HTML5 will just be a fad |
| 20:34.27 | VIad | IE will support HTML5 when HTML6 is out |
| 20:34.49 | Dagmar | ...after they finish developing MSHTML6 |
| 20:34.58 | VIad | oh lord, not the MS prefix! |
| 20:35.02 | Unkle | Regardless of the animation at the top, the rest of the page is worth a read for the feels. |
| 20:35.19 | Dagmar | Especially the feels about putting children down cimneys. |
| 20:36.56 | Unkle | Or feeding them to tigers. |
| 20:39.32 | foxlit | or as a giant "fuck you" to everyone who makes those infographics |
| 20:40.00 | foxlit | most of those illustrations take an unreasonable amount of vertical space. |
| 20:40.23 | VIad | regarding embeding video to a page,what codec is standard for html5? |
| 20:40.45 | nevcairiel | there is no one standard to rule them all |
| 20:40.51 | nevcairiel | not yet anyway |
| 20:41.16 | Unkle | And every time someone tries to make one, we just end up with one more standard to choose from. |
| 20:41.23 | VIad | common once are mp4 and webm |
| 20:41.25 | kd3|hate`net | http://www.w3schools.com/html/html5_video.asp |
| 20:41.30 | VIad | but ogv isn't that common I think |
| 20:41.40 | nevcairiel | those are all just containers |
| 20:41.46 | nevcairiel | the codecs are the important part |
| 20:41.55 | kd3 | that link has your answer |
| 20:41.56 | nevcairiel | h264 works in most browsers, but not firefox |
| 20:42.07 | VIad | h264 and vp8 to correct myself :P |
| 20:42.17 | nevcairiel | most other codecs dont work in IE |
| 20:42.20 | kd3 | it does as of fx21 on supported operating systems (win7/8/android) |
| 20:42.43 | VIad | uuh |
| 20:42.43 | VIad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP8#Comparison_with_H.264 |
| 20:42.57 | foxlit | did you just ask a question you already know the answer to? |
| 20:43.24 | VIad | no, I am most curious what codec is best used to cover most devices, yet keep the video small in filesize |
| 20:43.36 | kd3 | the correct answer is: encode to all of them |
| 20:43.45 | Unkle | Should have just asked that straight up. |
| 20:43.47 | nevcairiel | generally h264, if you can accept that it might not work on fringe setups |
| 20:43.57 | nevcairiel | like firefox on mac :p |
| 20:43.59 | kd3 | <video> supports multiple source fields, and the browser will pick the first one that it can use |
| 20:44.08 | kd3 | (again: go read the w3schools link) |
| 20:44.35 | nevcairiel | h264+vp8 might cover all combinations, but its double space used |
| 20:48.07 | VIad | what happened to x264? |
| 20:48.33 | kd3 | it's a encoder/decoder implementation for the h.264 spec |
| 20:48.43 | nevcairiel | only encoder |
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| 20:49.58 | VIad | *akward silence* |
| 20:54.02 | Semlar | silence intensifies |
| 20:54.20 | VIad | *petrification ensues* |
| 20:59.21 | Stanzilla | new wine release btw |
| 21:09.17 | Lopeppeppy | Happy holly-daze, everyone, I'm out of here. |
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| 21:37.19 | Arrowmaster | peppy would understand but she just left.... http://redd.it/1tc8q9 |
| 21:38.32 | kd3|hate`net | oh gods |
| 21:40.37 | nevcairiel | i could never work in first level support, it would drive me crazy to become such a jaded person :p |
| 21:43.20 | Arrowmaster | i just had a client call my cell phone because she couldnt get her new laptop connected to her home wifi, turned out her router has WPS enabled and she clicked to setup using that instead of the standard password setup |
| 21:43.58 | Arrowmaster | got her backed out of that and into what dells app calls 'manual' configuration and shes going through options hoping it will ask for the pass soon |
| 21:44.39 | VIad | why not just use WPS? |
| 21:44.41 | Arrowmaster | i dont know why the fuck they leave the dell wifi app on the mortgage image instead of removing it like they do for the newer corporate image |
| 21:44.50 | VIad | it's made for people that are technologically impaired |
| 21:44.54 | VIad | push a button - tada! |
| 21:45.03 | Arrowmaster | VIad: because she doesnt know the number sequence to enter |
| 21:45.23 | VIad | the router should have a tiny screen saying some digits for the person to enter on screen after the WPS button is pushed :'( |
| 21:46.03 | Arrowmaster | they do that now? ive not seen home routers with screens |
| 21:46.19 | Arrowmaster | well i was eating and im off the clock so i got her in the normal config |
| 21:46.23 | Arrowmaster | and left her to it |
| 21:46.34 | TC-Work | Some have displays, yes. |
| 21:46.36 | nevcairiel | nah routers dont have screens for that :p |
| 21:47.20 | Arrowmaster | custom firmware on my wrt54gl doesnt support wps so ive never messed with it |
| 21:47.37 | nevcairiel | i never bothered with it, since its known to be insecure |
| 21:48.19 | nevcairiel | usually people use WPS-PBC though, so you push a button on the router instead of bothering with a code |
| 21:49.18 | Arrowmaster | i thought the recommended way was to always have to push a button to enable any WPS |
| 21:49.31 | Arrowmaster | but a lot dont do that so its insecure |
| 21:49.38 | VIad | I turned off my WPS - scary shit |
| 21:50.06 | VIad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Protected_Setup |
| 21:50.16 | VIad | "WPS is a broken network security standard ..." |
| 21:50.20 | VIad | nice article opening :P |
| 21:50.28 | nevcairiel | push-button-configuration doesnt require any code, you start the connection, and once your PC ask for a code, press the button on the router, and you're in |
| 21:51.21 | Arrowmaster | ah ha |
| 21:51.35 | Arrowmaster | if i knew that i would have told her to go push the button on the router |
| 21:51.39 | nevcairiel | it works for a one-time setup i suppose, but if your network was running for a while a evil client could simply sit there and wait for the push |
| 21:52.04 | VIad | the article has explain how to brute force attack trough the PIN |
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| 21:53.02 | VIad | tbh any password entering gateway should have a small lockout timer in case of too many attempts |
| 21:53.34 | nevcairiel | such things are usually not mandated in the specification, and up to the implementor |
| 21:53.35 | VIad | sadly it seems some routers don't so you are free to brute force the WPS :D |
| 21:54.03 | VIad | I hope that if you have a security guy drawing your specs,that he writes a footnote about that requirement. |
| 21:54.38 | VIad | "have a security guy with you while drawing your specs" |
| 21:54.47 | VIad | first one was weirdly formatted :( |
| 21:56.15 | VIad | my friend wrote to me today at 09:30 telling me how epic it will be if we play Tera together, I said yeah. then later he wrote around 15:00 saying how excited he is to play Tera after work, I said hell yeah. then I wrote to him around 19 asking where he was, he said he was out downtown drinking with work, I was like okay no problem, he said he is on his way home, I said cool. it's soon 23:00 and he has not shown at all :P |
| 21:57.01 | VIad | over 12 hours elapsed since he first indicated how he wanted to play with me, but it doesn't reflect on his actions so far :P |
| 21:57.34 | Xuerian | VIad: I love friends|relatives like that. /s |
| 21:57.47 | VIad | :D |
| 21:57.54 | VIad | he is usually like this, not the first time. |
| 21:57.59 | Xuerian | YEEEP |
| 21:58.06 | VIad | he will probably come online around midnight and play for an hour :P |
| 21:58.20 | Xuerian | "Well I wanted to make some food so I just played some Y for a bit first" |
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| 22:07.10 | kd3 | thinking about getting a new tv... anyone have suggestions in the 50-60" range? |
| 22:07.47 | Semlar | how about one with adblock |
| 22:08.12 | Fisker | adblock = piracy |
| 22:08.20 | Unkle | kd3: http://www.seiki.com/products/seikiPro/4k.php |
| 22:08.38 | Semlar | ads are a crime against humanity and should not be tolerated |
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| 22:12.04 | Fisker | Night guys |
| 22:12.04 | jleclanche | kd3: why get a tv when you can just get a bigass monitor? |
| 22:12.10 | Fisker | and yeah Semlar my point exactly |
| 22:12.18 | Fisker | because no such bigass monitors exist |
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| 22:15.10 | kd3 | the seikis are only 30hz? |
| 22:15.12 | kd3 | meh |
| 22:16.12 | Neffi | 30 Hz? wtf |
| 22:16.30 | Neffi | I didnt even know that was a thing for panels outside of smartphones |
| 22:16.53 | TC-Work | That's how you can get 4K at sub $1K |
| 22:17.13 | Unkle | They make pretty good TVs, decent monitors IF you're only doing office/productivity work where refresh rate isn't a big deal and they're CHEAP. |
| 22:17.38 | Neffi | There's a shitload more to imge quality than pixels. I'd stick with a good 1080p panel for now. |
| 22:17.47 | TC-Work | kd3: I picked up one of the Panasonic Plasmas, great tv. |
| 22:17.59 | TC-Work | And I think they are going to stop using them soon |
| 22:18.04 | Neffi | Terrible contrast ratio, motion quality, backlight bleed, color uniformity, color inaccuracy. These issues are really obvious. |
| 22:18.05 | TC-Work | s/using/making/ |
| 22:18.26 | Neffi | Yeah I'm surprised people still make plasmas. But dem black levels. |
| 22:18.43 | TC-Work | OLED beats plasma blacks but still super expensive. |
| 22:19.07 | Neffi | OLED has issues with color accuracy |
| 22:21.04 | Unkle | I have a friend using one of the 39" ones as a desktop monitor. She doesn't play games - it's all web browsing, email, office suite, IDE, and remote desktop work for her. She loves the thing. |
| 22:21.39 | Neffi | That's a little excessive O.o |
| 22:21.53 | Neffi | I like my monitors to be a more practical size |
| 22:22.21 | Neffi | I really wanna snag a Dell U2413. Well reviewed and very good factory calibration for sRGB |
| 22:23.04 | kd3 | for the time being I'm happy with my monitors, but nah, this is a tv for my parents' living room. they're still using a ~32" crt |
| 22:23.23 | Neffi | Rear projection or glass tube? |
| 22:23.30 | kd3 | glass tube |
| 22:23.34 | Neffi | oh wow |
| 22:23.41 | kd3 | yah |
| 22:24.11 | Neffi | I haven't even seen one of them in a while |
| 22:24.36 | Neffi | Nowadays you can snag a cheap LCD that size for pretty cheap |
| 22:24.37 | Unkle | That's got to be getting on the old side. Something like 9+ years. |
| 22:24.41 | Semlar | probably weighs a ton |
| 22:25.02 | kd3 | hell, they used that tv at their old house (moved in 2002) |
| 22:25.24 | Neffi | Hell the monitor I want is an entry-level pro monitor that's very good at its job, and it probably costs less than that thing cost them new |
| 22:26.18 | TC-Work | Neffi: Get a dreamcolor. |
| 22:26.45 | Neffi | TC-Work: Why would I blow $3000 for something that's not going to reproduce 8-bit sRGB content any better than the U2413? |
| 22:26.48 | Semlar | get a dozen computer monitors and tape them together |
| 22:27.00 | Neffi | I'm not looking to produce 10-bit Adobe RGB perfectly |
| 22:27.01 | TC-Work | Neffi: It's cheaper than that now |
| 22:27.31 | Neffi | It's still a few times the price of a U2413, which will do what I need it to just as well. I'd rather use that money towards a new computer build, or some good cans. |
| 22:27.55 | TC-Work | Yes, you could use a nicer ass. |
| 22:28.02 | Semlar | i thought cans were boobs |
| 22:28.30 | TC-Work | Maybe? |
| 22:28.37 | Neffi | Desmond Morris hypothesized that large breasts in humans were really just an analogue for a woman's backside, to make up for clothing covering it |
| 22:28.40 | TC-Work | My memory sayd ass, but it is hardly reliable. |
| 22:28.47 | TC-Work | said* |
| 22:29.00 | Semlar | i'm fairly confident it's boobs |
| 22:29.20 | Semlar | singular might be ass |
| 22:29.25 | Neffi | Anyway, I don't have boobs |
| 22:29.52 | Semlar | not since the accident |
| 22:30.02 | Unkle | I think later research ruled out that hypothesis. I'd have to go digging for it, but I recall the kerfluffle when it was posited. |
| 22:30.40 | Neffi | Perhaps. |
| 22:30.53 | TC-Work | Neffi: I am sitting infront of 3 HP LP3065's and I have to say it is rather magnificent |
| 22:30.57 | Neffi | I wonder what then is the biological imperative. Because it hinders feeding. |
| 22:31.47 | Neffi | so big, TC-Work |
| 22:32.06 | TC-Work | It's nice. |
| 22:32.23 | Neffi | I bet |
| 22:32.25 | VIad | 4k? I won't accept anything less than 8k |
| 22:32.36 | Neffi | It'd be quite an upgrade from my 19" 1366x768 eMachines monitor |
| 22:32.50 | TC-Work | Most things would be |
| 22:33.14 | Neffi | My laptop's integrated IPS display is a lot better, but the wiring is shot so half of it's unusable. And it's the same shitty resolution. |
| 22:33.21 | TC-Work | VIad: Joking as you may be, that should indeed be the case. |
| 22:34.21 | Semlar | i use 2 24" monitors and i'd start running into problems with desk space if i had any larger monitors |
| 22:34.45 | Neffi | Well if I could afford 3 30" IPS panels, I'd have a wall-length desk too |
| 22:34.55 | TC-Work | At home I have 2 27's and 2 24's but the 24's are mounted up on a stand over the 27's |
| 22:34.57 | Semlar | you can afford a wall? |
| 22:35.06 | Neffi | Then again a good desk isn't so expensive if you're handy with wood |
| 22:35.23 | Semlar | i'll not be baited into that one |
| 22:35.32 | Neffi | Semlar: you callen me poor? |
| 22:35.32 | TC-Work | I wish I had more desk space because I suspect I would get yet another 27 |
| 22:35.35 | Neffi | cries. |
| 22:36.04 | TC-Work | I want a 30, but not at the $1k price point they all seem to be at. |
| 22:36.31 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure a monitor stand would cost more than my monitors |
| 22:36.38 | TC-Work | Nope |
| 22:36.58 | Neffi | Not if you can pick the lock on one of your college's doors |
| 22:37.02 | TC-Work | Unless your monitors were free anyway |
| 22:37.31 | TC-Work | Semlar: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009S7IDJQ that's what I got although I only use the top 2. |
| 22:37.45 | Neffi | wow, surprisingly cheap |
| 22:37.47 | Semlar | these things used to be hundreds of dollars |
| 22:37.59 | Neffi | Wait, "you save $47". I thought it costs that. |
| 22:38.22 | Semlar | maybe they became more popular and the price went down |
| 22:38.25 | TC-Work | I know, I was surprised when I went looking for them again. |
| 22:39.14 | VIad | tbh with having poor eyesight anything above 1080p is really not relevant for me :D |
| 22:39.22 | VIad | lucky, means I can buy cheaper screens ;P |
| 22:39.44 | Neffi | Aye. Maybe if I had glasses I'd see the appeal of 2560. |
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| 22:42.38 | TC-Work | VIad: Well for people with 20/20 8K is the point at which you can not distinguish pixels. |
| 22:43.00 | Neffi | At what distance? |
| 22:43.14 | A-KO | ^ |
| 22:43.15 | VIad | at the distance I sit in the living room 1080 becomes dvd quality almost :P |
| 22:43.17 | A-KO | depends on distance for sure |
| 22:43.23 | Neffi | Besides that doesn't pertain to monitors |
| 22:43.38 | Neffi | Or other use cases where you have sharp lines of high contrast |
| 22:43.44 | A-KO | higher quality video is important for compression as well |
| 22:43.48 | A-KO | more data to compress with, etc. |
| 22:44.11 | A-KO | it's like why artists work on gigantic PSD files and their ultimate work might be...I dunno? 512x512 for a website? lol |
| 22:45.43 | Neffi | It always seemed obvious to do that to me, because you can scale up but now down |
| 22:45.50 | Neffi | You want to preserve the source as perfectly as possible |
| 22:46.03 | Neffi | Sorry, you can scale down but not up |
| 22:46.15 | Neffi | Least not without quality loss |
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| 22:54.29 | VIad | ponder http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/20/anti-ageing-human-trials |
| 22:55.32 | Neffi | Too good to be true |
| 22:55.42 | Neffi | Also bad enough that it might be |
| 22:58.20 | Semlar | but neffi it's the guardian |
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| 23:20.26 | Cairenn | Okay guys, need opinions - buying new speakers for daughter's computer system - 5.1 or 2.1? |
| 23:21.02 | Semlar-Laptop | 2.1 |
| 23:21.06 | kd3 | 2.1's ok unless she really wants to string speaker cables all around her room |
| 23:21.33 | Cairenn | We've done it before :p |
| 23:21.52 | Semlar-Laptop | in my opinion 5.1 is more of a hassle than it's worth |
| 23:22.11 | Cairenn | Because of the cabling, or some other reason? |
| 23:22.46 | kd3 | I only use 2.1... if I buy a proper amp for my computer I may move to 5.1. |
| 23:22.55 | haste | 2.1 |
| 23:24.35 | foxlit | what 5.1 content is there, anyway? |
| 23:25.03 | foxlit | You'd probably watch movies on the TV, not the computer; music is pretty much all stereo, and gaming is meh. |
| 23:25.13 | Semlar-Laptop | well the main advantage of 5.1 is directional sound |
| 23:25.14 | Semlar-Laptop | and a good quality 2.1 set can sound pretty good |
| 23:25.20 | Neffi | Some games can output 5.1 AFAIK. Ripped movies. |
| 23:25.47 | Cairenn | Okay - looking at local Future Shop - Logitech, Bose, Genius, Klipsh, Cyber Acoustics, Creative Lab, Ingignia, Edifier ? |
| 23:26.01 | Neffi | Not Cyber Acoustics |
| 23:26.04 | Neffi | Klipsh is good |
| 23:26.07 | Semlar-Laptop | for gaming you might as well be using a headset so |
| 23:26.09 | Cairenn | errr, Insignia |
| 23:26.11 | Neffi | Logitech is ok for what you pay |
| 23:26.22 | TC-Work | They have wireless 5.1 speakers |
| 23:26.26 | Neffi | Out of those I'd pick Klipsh |
| 23:26.33 | TC-Work | well for the audio bit, not the power. |
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| 23:27.23 | Mr_Rabies | logitech's computer speakers are pretty good for the price usually, as are creative labs, but what's your/her intent, Cairenn? gaming, movies, what? |
| 23:27.33 | TC-Work | Hah, I like ingignia. |
| 23:27.37 | Semlar-Laptop | i have a set of logitech z2300s but they don't even make them any more |
| 23:27.41 | Neffi | I've never used Klipsch computer speakers, but their normal speakers are really great |
| 23:27.49 | Neffi | It's a very safe bet for quality |
| 23:27.51 | Cairenn | Gaming, movies, music |
| 23:28.00 | Mr_Rabies | yeah klipsch is great but expensive |
| 23:28.10 | Cairenn | Klipsh better than Bose? |
| 23:28.11 | Mr_Rabies | bose moreso |
| 23:28.16 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 23:28.16 | Neffi | Cairenn: HELL yes |
| 23:28.27 | Mr_Rabies | both are similar, but bose is way more expensive |
| 23:28.29 | TC-Work | Cairenn: Are you waiting till now to get a gift for your daughter... |
| 23:28.36 | Unkle | Cairenn: There's a saying "No highs and no lows? Must be Bose." |
| 23:28.42 | Semlar-Laptop | bose quality isn't bad it's just expensive for what you get |
| 23:28.43 | Neffi | Bose is more expensive and of lesser quality. There are significant issues with their audio products. |
| 23:28.47 | Cairenn | TC-Work: yeah - she's the only one I still have to shop for |
| 23:28.56 | TC-Work | >.< |
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| 23:29.11 | Neffi | When they say better sound through research, they mean that they're researching how to make cheap shitty speakers sound good in a Best Buy demo so they can charge you like they're top of the line |
| 23:29.15 | Neffi | Bose is terrible |
| 23:29.15 | Cairenn | It's been impossible to figure out what to get for her |
| 23:29.36 | TC-Work | I have the perfect answer but I don't want to be kicked :( |
| 23:30.05 | Unkle | For a system without a pre-amp, and using on-board sound, the Logitech computer speakers are good for the $35/$45 you spend on them. |
| 23:30.12 | Neffi | If you see a Klipsch in your price range I'd go with it. They're a well known brand for speakers, and make great stuff |
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| 23:30.21 | Cairenn | http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/klipsch-klipsh-promedia-2-1-computer-speakers-promedia-2-1/10183188.aspx?path=51b452bd1d34bb4d3f03afb96296e473en02 |
| 23:30.45 | Neffi | I looked at them on the website |
| 23:30.46 | Unkle | "Sold Out" |
| 23:30.59 | Semlar-Laptop | how much did you want to spend |
| 23:31.10 | Cairenn | Not worried about that, will check with local store, just wanted opinion on them :p |
| 23:31.21 | Neffi | Unfortunately spec sheets on audio products are actually meaningless. They don't contain the info actually relevant to performance, just meaningless shit like impedance and frequency range. |
| 23:31.30 | Semlar-Laptop | they're probably fine |
| 23:31.38 | Neffi | So you have to go by reviews that appear to come from somebody very knowledgeable, or brand trust |
| 23:31.48 | Semlar-Laptop | you might check for any complaints about whatever specific model you're looking at |
| 23:31.51 | Unkle | And sales guys usually say stupid shit like ... "The sub-woofer is just 'pushing air arround. |
| 23:32.09 | Neffi | Yeah, absolutely never trust a sales guy |
| 23:32.20 | Neffi | If they work in retail, they don't know shit about audio engineering |
| 23:32.37 | Neffi | You can't trust that you got the one audio geek sales guy |
| 23:32.52 | Unkle | And listening stations in box stores are terrible environments for judging anything but VOLUME. |
| 23:33.00 | Semlar-Laptop | what if you ask him something only an audio geek would know |
| 23:33.13 | Neffi | Mhmm. Retail stores have terrible acoustics and they set things up like idiots. |
| 23:34.09 | Neffi | Semlar-Laptop: Chances are they wouldn't know relevant info off the top of their head. He's not gonna know the amp's crosstalk or output impedance unless he's tested it on the type of gear a retail job can't afford |
| 23:34.20 | Unkle | And again, unless you're going with a dedicated sound board, a pre-amp, and good speaker layout ... computer speakers over $45-50 are kind of a waste. |
| 23:34.46 | Cairenn | These are the ones I had been kinda looking at, but wasn't sure if it was worth doing the 5.1 thing, and I wasn't sure how good Logitech does on speakers http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/logitech-logitech-5-1-surround-sound-speakers-system-z506-980-000430/10153079.aspx?path=b20e893e1cdbfae62652298a38b98979en02 |
| 23:34.56 | Neffi | Well I'm probably pushing this further than matters. Cairenn, I'm guessing you want something good enough for music and basic content consumption? |
| 23:34.58 | Semlar-Laptop | i don't know about that |
| 23:35.22 | Cairenn | Gaming, movies & tv shows (on computer) and music (on computer) |
| 23:35.28 | Unkle | Cairenn: I have those. They were a gift. They are pretty decent for all things I use my computer for. :) |
| 23:35.35 | Cairenn | yeah? |
| 23:35.37 | Neffi | Logitech is the only other reputable brand you've listed besides Klipsch. Their speakers are good enough for basic consumption by somebody who's not a concerting listener with huge taste. |
| 23:35.59 | Cairenn | Well, I don't want ones that sound like shit :p |
| 23:36.03 | Neffi | I'd get Klipsch if you can, Logitech if you can't, and wouldn't bother with the other stuff unless it has particularly good reviews |
| 23:36.29 | Neffi | They won't sound terrible. I'm just betting that the Klipsch will sound better. |
| 23:36.30 | Unkle | Cairenn: I miss out on being an audiophile only by knowing that once I go down that rabbit hole, even Wonderland will seem tame. So I stick with "good enough." |
| 23:37.27 | Neffi | Wow, those Klipsch are expensive for a 2.1 desktop kit |
| 23:37.42 | Unkle | And those are "good enough" until you get into really good audio equipment. Stuff that will end up costing more than the desktop they're connected to. |
| 23:37.49 | Semlar-Laptop | i had to RMA a logitech z623 after a while because one of the satellites was fuzzing |
| 23:41.34 | Cairenn | so do I get the $80 logitech 5.1 or the $180 Klipsh 2.1 ? Or a 2.1 logitech (they've got 6 different 2.1 logitech listed, for various prices) ? |
| 23:42.26 | Semlar-Laptop | well the klipsch speakers you linked to are only like $140 on amazon |
| 23:42.46 | Semlar-Laptop | they look pretty good |
| 23:42.51 | TC-Work | How much of an audiophile is your daughter? |
| 23:42.57 | Cairenn | Not that much |
| 23:43.16 | kd3|hate`net | holy crap |
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| 23:43.25 | kd3|hate`net | a customized cards against humanity card |
| 23:44.25 | Unkle | Cairenn: I'd grab the 2 speaker+sub-woofer 2.1 set from Logitech and call it a day. |
| 23:45.33 | Cairenn | Z623, LS21, Z313, Z323, Z523, Z553 ;p |
| 23:46.32 | Unkle | http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/speaker-system-z313?crid=47 |
| 23:46.38 | Semlar-Laptop | i would get the klipsch over the z623 |
| 23:46.46 | Semlar-Laptop | i can't speak for the rest of them |
| 23:47.35 | Neffi | Klipsch seems to have great reviews, but it's expensive for somebody that's not critical of quality. You could do well with what Unkle linked. |
| 23:48.04 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: ive got the more expensive logitech z906 5.1 and like it |
| 23:48.19 | foxlit | logitech volume adjustment bugs me |
| 23:48.39 | foxlit | the knob has like a 270 degree range; while only like 30 of those lead to a comfortable volume |
| 23:48.58 | Arrowmaster | mine is logitechs top of the line so i cant really say how good their cheaper ones are |
| 23:49.10 | Semlar-Laptop | i never even use the actual volume control, i just control it on my keyboard |
| 23:49.17 | Arrowmaster | i use the remote |
| 23:49.26 | Arrowmaster | computer is always at a set volume |
| 23:49.52 | Semlar-Laptop | although my logitech also has a separate pod instead of the dial on the speaker |
| 23:49.57 | Neffi | Semlar-Laptop: General rule of thumb is, leave all software volume at 0 if you have an amp |
| 23:50.01 | Arrowmaster | but thats because i switch to my xbox on the same speakers and have to use the speakers to controll the volume |
| 23:50.11 | Neffi | Or rather, at 100 depending on how you measure ;) |
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| 23:50.38 | Semlar-Laptop | i just leave the speaker's volume knob halfway up which is absurdly loud if i turned up my computer |
| 23:50.46 | Neffi | You shave off dynamic range by setting the software volume |
| 23:50.53 | foxlit | Semlar: sounds like a recipe for disaster |
| 23:51.04 | Semlar-Laptop | i like living on the edge |
| 23:51.09 | foxlit | One day some bit of software is going to forget your volume preference and you're going to be deafened. |
| 23:51.32 | Semlar-Laptop | i just control the windows master volume |
| 23:51.50 | Neffi | It depends on setup, but you should generally have all volume controls at reference level (+0 dB or 100) except your primary amplifier/receiver/preamp |
| 23:52.23 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: I looked at the 906s, but I don't see spending $350 (on sale) on a set of speakers for her computer, in a bedroom sized room |
| 23:52.48 | Arrowmaster | yeah i wasnt going to recommend you get them unless the setup called for it |
| 23:53.18 | Cairenn | I thought about them, for future growth, but yeah |
| 23:54.04 | Arrowmaster | the sub can shake the house pretty well though |
| 23:54.11 | Cairenn | heh, I bet |
| 23:55.16 | Arrowmaster | for the past year ive only had my laptop connected to them through a stereo cable and my xbox through an optical cable and it does very well upmixing the stereo to 5.1 |
| 23:55.34 | TC-Work | Actually, it's much better of you attach the sub to your chair.... |
| 23:55.44 | Arrowmaster | its a big sub |
| 23:56.09 | Arrowmaster | the sub has all the electronics in it and all the speakers plug into it |
| 23:57.55 | TC-Work | Cairenn: Alternatively something like http://www.amazon.com/Rocker-51396-Series-Pedestal-Wireless/dp/B0031LKYMY |
| 23:58.08 | Cairenn | lol |
| 23:58.10 | Neffi | O.O |
| 23:58.51 | VIad | says nothing about how much weight it can stand |
| 23:58.59 | TC-Work | Granted that is designed more for console than PC |
| 23:59.00 | Cairenn | TC-Work: $225 here |
| 23:59.03 | TC-Work | :( |
| 23:59.10 | TC-Work | They have different ones |
