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| 00:58.23 | VIad | hmm, read the thread that Scott made, found a guy linking http://www.zygorguides.com/ how come it's still online? :P |
| 00:58.35 | VIad | I remember zygorguides from long ago, shouldn't blizz take a stance? |
| 00:59.54 | VIad | some more at http://manaview.com/tycoon/ :P |
| 01:02.01 | VIad | btw so much hate in Scott's threads, kind of lame :/ |
| 01:07.34 | Semlar | who? |
| 01:12.45 | Amarande | hm |
| 01:12.55 | Amarande | what did zygor do that was evil? I'm not sure I've ever looked at their guides lately |
| 01:13.00 | Amarande | or at all, for that matter :S |
| 01:13.52 | Amarande | oh, I'm guessing the bone of contention is the fact that they sell addons |
| 01:24.34 | Trela | Amarande: The extension is actually free. However, you can buy a guide data that drops into the AddOn's folder. :) |
| 01:24.39 | Trela | *the guide data |
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| 01:31.42 | Arrow|phone | Dagmar: I'm at McDonald's what do I do for the street pass stuff |
| 01:33.45 | Arrow|phone | Oh I got it |
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| 01:35.42 | Amarande | Trela: yeah, that's a grey area, then |
| 01:36.09 | Amarande | I say it's a grey area because, well, think of it this way. There are other addons that technically you can purchase data to drop into the folder of and they're just ducky |
| 01:36.30 | Amarande | e.g., I'm pretty sure you can purchase fonts from myfonts or wherever to use with fonter if you really wanted to spend that much money on your UI |
| 01:36.54 | Amarande | and of course there are music-player addons which will work with music you buy, too :) |
| 01:37.03 | Amarande | so the notion of an addon that accepts purchasable content, itself, seems to be kosher |
| 01:37.39 | Amarande | problems, though ... 1) does the addon do anything useful at all without the purchased content? (if no, it sounds like a definite end run) |
| 01:38.28 | Amarande | 2) are you allowed to sell guides for WoW (IANAL, but I'm pretty sure you're allowed to sell game guides, as long as you're the guide author or have permission, i.e., don't be a bastard like some of those sites that'd trawl GameFAQs and steal guides to monetise without permission for themselves :P) |
| 01:39.40 | Amarande | and in any case I've seen plenty of gameguide sites for MMOs that charge for their content, it's irritating, but I've yet to see anyone move to shut them down simply on the face of that alone |
| 01:45.34 | Aeger73 | I have zygors guide. its actually pretty good |
| 01:47.41 | Aeger73 | I can tell the diference when im lvling and im around other people in same area doing the quests too. I pass most of them pretty quickly but it varies |
| 01:49.05 | VIad | hmm, nice ideas! |
| 01:49.31 | VIad | you can make the addon framework in such a way that it loads the addon modules from the savedvariables file itself! :D |
| 01:49.46 | Amarande | I used to read guides (free ones, mind you, like Jame's) on the web for leveling |
| 01:49.48 | VIad | then you sell the savedvariables file and give the addon for free with some basic framework |
| 01:50.06 | Amarande | but nowadays there's really not much reason for leveling guides anymore |
| 01:50.17 | VIad | with 6.x I guess they will die |
| 01:50.25 | VIad | didn't blizz say something about the map and questing system? |
| 01:50.52 | Amarande | well, what I mean is, pretty much the only areas that aren't a strict linear questline with little or no choice in the matter |
| 01:51.09 | Amarande | are the Outland and Northrend zones (maybe Pandaria to some extent, but not as much) |
| 01:51.23 | Amarande | and you breeze through Outland and Northrend in a flash anyway nowadays |
| 01:51.28 | VIad | I think they will rewamp how quests are shown on the map too |
| 01:51.47 | VIad | easier to figure out what your options are |
| 01:52.08 | Amarande | Really the only reason I kept using Northrend guides after Cata was before they went with account-shared achievements, in order to ensure I got the quest achievement for each zone and didn't miss some grimy little quest somewhere that would result in hair loss trying to find it |
| 01:53.09 | Amarande | but yeah, outside of outland and northrend, there's not much choice in how you go about your questing anyway, apart from choice of zones |
| 01:53.33 | Amarande | and even part of THAT is made for you |
| 01:53.52 | Amarande | e.g. in cata, where it is almost always to your benefit to choose hyjal (double so if you're a recipe completist or a hunter), while vashj'ir seems to just suck now :( |
| 01:54.34 | VIad | the only reason I liked vashjir was the lack of players, less gank :P |
| 01:54.42 | VIad | lucky that so many hate being underwater |
| 01:55.07 | Amarande | actually, I liked the environment of Vashj'ir |
| 01:55.23 | Amarande | but it can be fairly high-difficulty at times (also do you even get the 232 greens vendor in Vashj'ir like you do in Hyjal?) |
| 01:55.54 | Amarande | and on top of that, the rewards suck by comparison - indeed, depending on your character plans, you may be forced to go do Hyjal ANYWAY |
| 01:56.18 | Amarande | especially if you're a recipe completist or a hunter, because a fair amount of Hyjal quest progress is required before you can go to Molten Front |
| 01:56.40 | VIad | firelands kind of fucked anyone that went for vashjir ;p |
| 01:56.45 | Semlar | my druid is currently level 80 and i haven't left org |
| 01:56.47 | Amarande | exactly |
| 01:57.25 | VIad | Bane has a intimidating voice :P |
| 01:57.28 | Amarande | I wonder how many people got knocked off the A squad in their raid guilds because of that |
| 01:58.00 | Amarande | especially guilds that like to go for the throat from day one and "oh sorry dear raid leader but I did vashj'ir and now I can't go to firelands yet because I have to do hyjal questing first" |
| 01:58.01 | VIad | I think raiders did both zones long before firelands |
| 01:58.24 | VIad | achievements being one of the reasons, reputation the other |
| 01:58.34 | VIad | I pity the casuals more :) |
| 01:58.50 | xyphoid | psst, firelands raid entrance isn't in molten front |
| 01:59.08 | Amarande | *facepalm* |
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| 01:59.16 | VIad | it's near the lava part when you enter hyjal on the mount |
| 01:59.17 | Amarande | I would have expected it would have been |
| 01:59.19 | VIad | southern part I think |
| 01:59.24 | VIad | so long since I played wow :P |
| 01:59.33 | Amarande | I wasn't around for firelands, though :S left WoW early in cata and didn't come back till almost the end |
| 02:03.20 | VIad | btw what happened with http://www.cbsnews.com/news/johnson-johnson-to-pay-22b-in-us-health-care-fraud-settlement/ |
| 02:03.26 | VIad | no one goes to jain for these things? |
| 02:03.44 | VIad | at some point someone did make a decision right, no punishment? :P |
| 02:04.06 | VIad | they pay the bill by using money that people paid them for the fake medications in the first place, so they don't really loose anything in a sense |
| 02:05.00 | VIad | I just miss seeing white collars in jail when things like that happen, they always get out the easy way. |
| 02:06.37 | Shirik | http://imgur.com/lGrUGkx |
| 02:07.04 | VIad | happy vacation Shirik |
| 02:08.11 | Neffi | happy festivus, Shirik |
| 02:08.21 | VIad | happy day, Shirik |
| 02:11.45 | Shirik | oh happy day |
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| 02:55.15 | jleclanche | According to some reddit comments, X primarily represents "yes" / confirm action in western playstation games |
| 02:55.28 | jleclanche | while in japan, the circle holds that function |
| 02:55.48 | jleclanche | all I can think about here about is the nightmare of localization extending to icons.. |
| 02:55.56 | Amarande | jleclanche: heh |
| 02:56.02 | Amarande | you know what's more noticeable |
| 02:56.27 | Amarande | the fun of trying to play PSone Final Fantasy games after having gotten into the series with FFX, due to that little foible of controls |
| 02:56.44 | Amarande | because the PS1 FFs pretty much all IIRC defaulted to the circle-to-confirm, X-to-cancel Eastern way, even in the US versions |
| 02:57.00 | Amarande | whereas with FFX and X-2, the US versions had the US-style controls |
| 03:00.30 | Primer | So what exactly does the ! operator do in a macro? |
| 03:00.36 | Primer | I never understood that |
| 03:01.26 | fewyn | god i've lost a ton of heirlooms |
| 03:01.29 | Primer | I would love to have a macro that allowed me to switch holy priest chakras. e.g. If no chakra, cast the single heal chakra. If the single heal chakra is up, to the AOE chakra. If the AOE chakra is up, do the single heal chakra. |
| 03:01.30 | fewyn | i have no idea where they went |
| 03:01.53 | kd3 | heh, oops. queued for normal temple of jade serpent instead of heroic |
| 03:02.00 | kd3 | magetanking is fun |
| 03:02.10 | fewyn | i cant find any of my cloth cast ones or my tank ones |
| 03:07.56 | Shirik | ok |
| 03:08.02 | Shirik | official WTF time |
| 03:08.03 | Shirik | http://www.ebay.com/itm/George-Zimmerman-original-painting-/111239922810?pt=Art_Paintings&hash=item19e66a847a |
| 03:26.55 | Dagmar | Someone's making sure that item doesn't sell for much |
| 03:28.06 | jleclanche | i really like that bitbucket has gone its own way lately, rather than just being a "poor man's github" |
| 03:41.13 | Arrowmaster | but it uses hg |
| 03:41.23 | Arrowmaster | or does it support git now? |
| 03:42.18 | Arrowmaster | oh it does |
| 03:42.21 | kd3 | it does git too |
| 03:43.39 | Arrowmaster | ill make an account just for the unlimited private repos |
| 03:45.24 | Arrowmaster | ive been meaning to do something that needed a bunch of private repos, maybe ill mess with it tomorrow, for now though its bed time |
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| 03:45.56 | airtonix | bitbucket even has user story voting on issues i think |
| 03:46.37 | kd3 | haha, wow. I don't think I've ever heard the ancestral brewmasters say this one... "That last paladin offered me eternal salvation!" "What'd you say?" "Kings, please" |
| 03:47.08 | airtonix | disgusting |
| 03:59.55 | alestane | Old old joke. |
| 04:03.23 | Dagmar | Okay but to hear an NPC make an OOC joke is still funny |
| 04:05.36 | karl_w_w | wow |
| 04:05.51 | karl_w_w | google doesn't let you turn off safesearch completely any more |
| 04:10.12 | airtonix | why would christians want to turn that off? |
| 04:13.53 | Neffi | karl_w_w: Mine is off. Maybe you have to log in now? |
| 04:13.59 | Neffi | (To prove you're 18?) |
| 04:14.17 | karl_w_w | it looks like it's off |
| 04:14.22 | karl_w_w | but it's still filtered |
| 04:14.28 | Neffi | how can you tell? |
| 04:14.38 | karl_w_w | by using a different search engine :P |
| 04:14.42 | karl_w_w | bing/yahoo |
| 04:15.03 | Neffi | Of course a different search engine is gonna return a totally different results page |
| 04:15.29 | karl_w_w | https://www.google.com.au/search?q=kate+oelrich&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=zc-vUq3UPOyhigfewoH4Aw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=578 |
| 04:15.30 | Neffi | A cursory search in Google shows plenty of ... 18+ material |
| 04:15.34 | karl_w_w | http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=kate+oelrich&qs=n&form=QBIR&pq=kate+oelrich&sc=0-0&sp=-1&sk= |
| 04:17.26 | Neffi | So Google didn't return that one bikini image halfway down Bing's page. That's the only difference I see |
| 04:17.37 | karl_w_w | er |
| 04:17.55 | Neffi | Oh, nvm |
| 04:18.23 | Neffi | The better question is, why are you using Google images for porn? |
| 04:18.35 | karl_w_w | I'm not :P |
| 04:42.44 | Neffi | So here's another approach to the question: is there an MMORPG out there that's actually *difficult*? |
| 04:42.58 | Neffi | As in, even leveling is a challenge and feels meaningful? |
| 04:56.48 | karl_w_w | that's doubtful |
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| 05:31.37 | Mr_Rabies | leveling feels meaningful in wow, just not every level anymore |
| 05:31.46 | Mr_Rabies | it really should feel more meaningful than it currently does |
| 05:32.05 | Mr_Rabies | every level is huge at 85-90, but before that not so much |
| 05:32.46 | Neffi | I've contemplating resubbing |
| 05:33.07 | Neffi | I've tried a shitload of other MMOs and they all suck in their own way |
| 05:33.59 | Fisker | also happy birthday jnwhiteh |
| 05:34.11 | Neffi | oh, happy birthday! |
| 05:40.28 | Neffi | Anyone play on Tichondrius? |
| 05:40.30 | Neffi | (US) |
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| 06:04.39 | Semlar | turns safesearch off on neffi |
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| 06:23.43 | airtonix | is Tichondrius a new mmo? |
| 06:24.06 | airtonix | it's a funny way of spelling Everquest Online |
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| 06:38.50 | Primer | So people are joining the raid and PB isn't filling in their frames... |
| 06:39.01 | Primer | not even in combat |
| 06:39.30 | Semlar | peanut butter |
| 06:43.15 | airtonix | http://imgur.com/r/WTF/77Uwg85 |
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| 07:01.51 | airtonix | looks like bluespacecow is going somewhere: http://i.imgur.com/uFagmFA.png |
| 07:03.42 | Semlar | to market |
| 07:14.15 | Fisker | ONWARDS |
| 07:26.39 | zenzio | half the time when I read headlines about the NSA, I read NASA. Makes for some interesting headlines |
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| 08:30.23 | mitch0 | ;) |
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| 08:57.06 | zenzio | so, turns out that pasting multi-line SQL with tab indentation in the MySQL CLI gives... let's call it "unexpected" results when you have tab completion in the CLI |
| 09:02.55 | zenzio | though I guess it makes some sense, since the CLI probably has no idea how the data is entered |
| 09:35.39 | karl_w_w | is NASA spying on you zenzio? tinfoil time? |
| 09:35.57 | zenzio | aluminium foil hat |
| 09:36.19 | karl_w_w | wow, that's so next gen |
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| 11:01.02 | airtonix | so not teflon foil? |
| 11:03.44 | karl_w_w | you can't make foil out of a polymer |
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| 11:49.09 | airtonix | don't be a hater |
| 11:52.31 | karl_w_w | hates |
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| 12:29.21 | airtonix | aha, i just noticed almost human plays a few notes from vangelis |
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| 13:08.55 | VIad | where do one report people that sell addons btw? |
| 13:09.13 | VIad | there is so many guides being sold - weird blizz don't do anything about them |
| 13:10.54 | airtonix | those aren't addons? |
| 13:11.08 | VIad | I found many that are |
| 13:11.17 | airtonix | such as? |
| 13:11.35 | nebula169 | most "guides" are an addon like tourguide |
| 13:11.47 | airtonix | if it's a module for tourguide , then i'm not sure how it factors |
| 13:11.56 | VIad | what about http://manaview.com ? |
| 13:12.32 | airtonix | doesn't matter because they're all crap compared to james guides (which are free) |
| 13:12.38 | VIad | http://www.ultimatewowguide.com has a "members area" |
| 13:12.42 | airtonix | like, utterly crap or just copies of his work |
| 13:12.48 | VIad | yeah that might be |
| 13:12.52 | VIad | but they are still on the internet |
| 13:13.02 | nebula169 | wow pro, thats the newer one i was thinking of |
| 13:13.03 | VIad | and easily searchable :P |
| 13:13.33 | VIad | since it's not okay to sell addons I wonder why nothing happens with the easily searchable addon guides that are being sold |
| 13:14.08 | zenzio | "addon guides" as in addons that act as guides, or guides about addons? |
| 13:14.22 | VIad | it's basically "earn quick gold" or "level up fast" guides :P |
| 13:14.33 | zenzio | that doesn't answer my question |
| 13:14.48 | airtonix | is it an addon |
| 13:14.52 | VIad | it's an addon that is the guide |
| 13:14.53 | airtonix | or is it content for an addon |
| 13:15.27 | airtonix | tourguide lets you drop text files in from any where as a in game guide |
| 13:15.29 | VIad | not easy to say when you need to pay up front before getting access to the members only addon :P |
| 13:15.31 | airtonix | tourguide is free |
| 13:15.54 | nebula169 | they're usually modified quite a bit |
| 13:16.03 | VIad | that's fine, but I am more concerned with the fact that there exists sites that sell guides when it's against the terms of blizz |
| 13:16.45 | VIad | worst part is their domains have been registered for a while too so it's nothing new |
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| 13:18.14 | nevcairiel | there is also sites that sell gold, which is against the terms |
| 13:18.32 | VIad | I guess anything is possible if your base of operations is in china |
| 13:18.42 | airtonix | or anywhere really |
| 13:18.49 | airtonix | blizzard !== law |
| 13:18.55 | nevcairiel | its not like selling gold is illegal |
| 13:18.57 | VIad | nah if I do it from norway there are more legal channels blizz can get to me |
| 13:18.59 | nevcairiel | you cant sue them for it |
| 13:19.50 | airtonix | the biggest eye opener on this convo is that people thing companies control the cops |
| 13:19.54 | airtonix | think* |
| 13:20.22 | VIad | isn't it more like rubbing shoulders, than direct control? |
| 13:20.30 | airtonix | it's not anything |
| 13:20.39 | airtonix | blizzard doesn't make the law by which police follow |
| 13:20.54 | airtonix | as much as you and I hate gold farmers and sellers |
| 13:21.00 | airtonix | it's not illegal. |
| 13:21.18 | VIad | to be honest companies just evade getting caught, and when they get caught for something they certainly don't pay the price to really hurt them - johnson and johnson as example :P |
| 13:21.22 | airtonix | to say that it should be, is tantamount to saying "microsoft should be able to put linux users in jail" |
| 13:21.41 | zenzio | wait, they can't? |
| 13:21.53 | VIad | :P |
| 13:22.07 | airtonix | well i think what actually happens is windows gets put in a bsd jail |
| 13:22.17 | VIad | http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2013/12/16/15/37/student-suspended-for-hugging-teacher :D |
| 13:23.31 | VIad | btw we hug a lot in norway, we all gave hugs for christmas ;D |
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| 13:23.46 | airtonix | did you get reciepts? |
| 13:24.05 | VIad | ofc |
| 13:24.07 | mitch0 | stupid is stupid |
| 13:24.09 | zenzio | we hug a lot in Norway? What kind of freak place do you live in |
| 13:24.16 | VIad | the part of oslo where we hug |
| 13:24.36 | zenzio | Oslo, 'nuff said |
| 13:24.41 | zenzio | =D |
| 13:25.19 | VIad | it's normal to show affection to the people you like |
| 13:25.50 | nebula169 | schools go kind of crazy about teachers touching students in any way |
| 13:26.20 | mitch0 | but it was the student who "touched" the teacher |
| 13:26.27 | mitch0 | anyway, it's stupid |
| 13:26.30 | nebula169 | yea |
| 13:26.50 | VIad | probably better ways to stop the behavior if you ask me |
| 13:26.57 | nevcairiel | he was kinda stupid for hugging the teacher anyway |
| 13:27.07 | mitch0 | maybe he like the teacher very much? |
| 13:27.14 | mitch0 | or just got a very good grade? |
| 13:27.22 | VIad | sadly she didn't seem to like him equally |
| 13:27.27 | nevcairiel | the first sounds like sexual harrasment :p |
| 13:27.32 | mitch0 | ;) |
| 13:27.37 | airtonix | maybe it was a secret handshake the drug cartel uses |
| 13:27.41 | mitch0 | oh well, I quit this discussion |
| 13:27.53 | VIad | it is word against word - it said that it was captured on CCTV (in the classroom? lol) but not sure how clear that footage was :P |
| 13:28.55 | airtonix | we can solve that problem in the editing room: post processing |
| 13:29.01 | VIad | :P |
| 13:29.13 | VIad | "I wasn't naked when that happened" |
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| 13:30.39 | VIad | anyone working week 51/52? |
| 13:31.41 | zenzio | I'm sure some people are |
| 13:31.57 | zenzio | I pity them though |
| 13:32.12 | VIad | :D |
| 13:35.11 | VIad | is Torhal okay? haven't heard from his in a while |
| 13:35.18 | VIad | haven't been so active on irc like before |
| 13:41.35 | VIad | going out to work soon - I love it! always nice to get things done :) |
| 13:41.50 | VIad | it's not monotone everyday like work so it's more exciting :P |
| 13:48.03 | zenzio | what sort of work is it then? |
| 13:49.01 | Stanzilla | http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=238119 Oh man, really don't want to meet someone using that in a BG |
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| 14:13.59 | nevcairiel | why do wow videos even look absolutely crappy even at 720p |
| 14:15.46 | nevcairiel | sounds like an illegal addon though |
| 14:22.14 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: yeah it is |
| 14:24.23 | VIad | zenzio: meeting about a product being developed |
| 14:24.37 | zenzio | a product you will be developing? |
| 14:25.20 | zenzio | I hate meetings anyway :-p |
| 14:29.06 | VIad | it's a collaboration thing so we meet so I can deliver status report, get feedback, deliver feedback to the other part of the team that isn't there, e.g. |
| 14:31.36 | VIad | http://imgur.com/gallery/CX2ll :D |
| 14:32.41 | zenzio | ah, Tim |
| 14:34.18 | airtonix | "hey guys, doing a movie about noah. No spoilers please!" |
| 14:35.55 | mitch0 | Stanzilla: what's special in that video? (I haven't played in a while, can't really spot the interesting bit ;) |
| 14:35.56 | airtonix | nevcairiel: what's illegal about it? |
| 14:36.49 | airtonix | is the addon responsible for the music? |
| 14:36.58 | airtonix | :> |
| 14:38.45 | Stanzilla | mitch0: the stuff it does, text on the upper left corner |
| 14:38.49 | Stanzilla | airtonix: it uses a bot |
| 14:39.37 | airtonix | isn't that just post processing overlay? |
| 14:39.43 | airtonix | how do you know it uses a bot? |
| 14:39.58 | nevcairiel | dont mind airtonix, he is probably just going to comment on how wow isnt law and therefor its not illegal :p |
| 14:40.31 | nevcairiel | anyhow, it automatically reacts to your enemys doing, it doesnt just show information, it also acts for you |
| 14:40.45 | airtonix | well illegal is a pretty strong term |
| 14:41.16 | mitch0 | Stanzilla: ain't those just hints on what you should do? you still have to do the stuff yourself |
| 14:41.26 | nevcairiel | no you dont |
| 14:41.30 | mitch0 | doesn't really help keyboard-turners |
| 14:41.47 | Stanzilla | mitch0: nope, thats the debug output of what the addon just did |
| 14:42.15 | airtonix | still not sure how i'm supposed to take away from that video that it's a bot |
| 14:43.21 | Stanzilla | insane fast and 100% correct reactions? |
| 14:43.22 | airtonix | oh i suppose you need to know that the title is the name of some obscure software, not a players name |
| 14:43.47 | Stanzilla | Vitalic is the guys name |
| 14:43.50 | VIad | what happened to the digital watermark? |
| 14:43.51 | airtonix | Stanzilla: you haven't watch much rogue craft have you? |
| 14:44.05 | Stanzilla | airtonix: why? |
| 14:44.09 | airtonix | Stanzilla: you're assuming that video as 100% awesome skill opponents |
| 14:44.11 | VIad | they could make it always visible on screen so capturing video would still capture your watermark :) |
| 14:44.16 | airtonix | maybe they're just shit |
| 14:44.25 | Stanzilla | no I dont |
| 14:45.05 | airtonix | i mean the bot isn't even that good |
| 14:45.26 | airtonix | a good rogue doesn't get hit |
| 14:45.46 | nevcairiel | the bot doesnt play your character, it just executes situational abilities to counter the enemy effectively |
| 14:47.59 | airtonix | Stanzilla: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-KMOc_y7xo |
| 14:48.27 | airtonix | Stanzilla: or: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq_yr1YLNlU |
| 14:48.53 | Stanzilla | I know those vids |
| 14:48.57 | VIad | lol |
| 14:49.03 | VIad | flashback to 2004 |
| 14:49.13 | VIad | soon 10 years ago |
| 14:49.24 | airtonix | Stanzilla: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-NFg8_irL4#t=315 |
| 14:49.40 | Stanzilla | I said I know them :D |
| 14:49.49 | VIad | airtonix: only worked because evicerate is static damage |
| 14:49.50 | airtonix | i will drown you in links |
| 14:50.31 | airtonix | VIad: that's not the point |
| 14:50.46 | VIad | your point is rogues didn't need gear to beat others if they used their skills properly? |
| 14:50.56 | airtonix | VIad: yes? |
| 14:51.32 | VIad | these days the enemy player would have at least 2 escape abilities to escape your spells - and dminishing returns |
| 14:51.34 | airtonix | i mean in that last one, he doesn't even get touched |
| 14:51.41 | airtonix | naked with worn daggers |
| 14:52.10 | VIad | 3 saps, 2 blinds, would become 1 sap and a half blind in current edition of wow :P |
| 14:52.24 | VIad | was fun back then idd |
| 14:52.52 | nevcairiel | classic was completely unbalanced, no question about it |
| 14:52.58 | airtonix | loved it |
| 14:53.00 | VIad | not entirely |
| 14:53.04 | VIad | hunters would own rogues hard :P |
| 14:53.07 | VIad | flare |
| 14:53.11 | VIad | and pet on the rogue |
| 14:53.18 | VIad | a lot of kiting and traps |
| 14:53.32 | mitch0 | frost mages were pretty good against rogues, too |
| 14:54.00 | VIad | you had limited amount of escapes so it was important to use them at the right time, and some classes just were too hard to beat for some |
| 14:55.43 | zenzio | huntar kite Drakk plz |
| 14:55.54 | VIad | anyone remember pre tbc patch |
| 14:56.14 | VIad | the new system for tbc was deployed some weeks before tbc launch |
| 14:56.25 | VIad | pet growl was building insane aggro |
| 14:56.27 | zenzio | same as WotLK IIRC |
| 14:56.37 | VIad | bm hunter pet could solo a frost mage :P |
| 14:57.29 | mitch0 | all pre-expansion patches were like that until you hit the level cap |
| 14:57.50 | VIad | I notice low level pvp is really unbalanced now |
| 14:57.58 | zenzio | I'm not sure I understand VIad... don't player just ignore aggro? |
| 14:58.09 | zenzio | +s |
| 14:58.14 | VIad | the pet growl thing was used to tank some bosses :p |
| 14:58.26 | zenzio | and there were many frost mage bosses? |
| 14:58.52 | zenzio | or were those two points not related? |
| 14:58.58 | VIad | puts a penny in the curse jar. |
| 14:58.58 | Stanzilla | http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/shadowplay-twitch-streaming |
| 14:59.53 | VIad | ah I gotta go now :( |
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| 15:11.00 | zenzio | "If you look up "not even wrong" in the dictionary, or at least RationalWiki, you will find Deepak Chopra's face. Indeed, here it is." [http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong] |
| 15:11.15 | zenzio | I'm sure there's some sort of internal joke there that scientists would laugh at |
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| 15:26.39 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/2bnkM0z |
| 15:30.36 | karl_w_w | ^common knowledge |
| 15:38.39 | jleclanche | holy FUCK |
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| 15:38.57 | jleclanche | firefox STILL hasnt fixed the repaint scroll lag with fixed backgrounds |
| 15:40.44 | jleclanche | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=374980 |
| 15:40.45 | jleclanche | my god |
| 15:40.47 | jleclanche | MY GOD. |
| 15:42.58 | nevcairiel | not sure what that bug is supposed to tell me |
| 15:45.01 | jleclanche | its what https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=372039 depends on |
| 15:45.33 | jleclanche | alright ive had enough of this shit im going back to chrome, again |
| 15:45.42 | jleclanche | mozilla needs to get its act together and work on more than PR |
| 15:45.44 | nevcairiel | one last touched in 2009, other in 2010, you have dreams |
| 15:46.38 | jleclanche | i bet you i could get this bug fixed within a week if i had access to the mozilla.org servers |
| 15:46.45 | jleclanche | id put fixed backgrounds on every fucking dev page |
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| 15:52.18 | Maldivia | jleclanche: chrome still hasn't fixed it either.... |
| 15:53.22 | jleclanche | Maldivia: sure has |
| 15:53.28 | jleclanche | at least on linux |
| 15:54.20 | jleclanche | note that its normal for scrolling to be slower than without a fixed background, since you do repaint more |
| 15:54.22 | Maldivia | jleclanche: on chrome, position:fixed and using scroll-whell, and you'll get a seasure looking at the background |
| 15:54.32 | jleclanche | test page please? |
| 15:54.51 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/gallery/diyypvW |
| 15:54.54 | Maldivia | especially on dev |
| 15:56.31 | Maldivia | jleclanche: don't have dev on this computer, but I know the ibm site for me (the top-menu) was jumpy when using scroll-wheel to scroll |
| 15:56.52 | Maldivia | jleclanche: http://www.ibm.com/us/en/ -- where as using pgup/dwn, arrow keys or the scroll knob had no issues |
| 15:57.12 | nevcairiel | that page fits on my screen :P |
| 15:57.17 | jleclanche | theres no scrolling there |
| 15:57.18 | jleclanche | yeah |
| 15:57.28 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 15:57.55 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: maybe its just *very* laggy and im still waiting for it to scroll. |
| 15:57.56 | Ackis | anyone had a chance to try out SteamOS yet? |
| 15:57.57 | jleclanche | no way to know. |
| 15:58.14 | nevcairiel | Ackis: its just debian with steam |
| 15:58.50 | Ackis | nevcairiel: really? so I can throw a torrent server on it for example? |
| 15:59.04 | jleclanche | sure |
| 15:59.05 | Maldivia | jleclanche: what about some of the demos from: http://css-tricks.com/perfect-full-page-background-image/ |
| 15:59.14 | nevcairiel | in theory it can run whatever, depends if they let you |
| 16:00.44 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: background doesnt move a bit on those, seems perfect here on chrome stable |
| 16:01.30 | mikma | http://www.break.com/video/sex-with-gordon-ramsay-2551818 |
| 16:02.14 | Fisker | nice |
| 16:02.31 | Fisker | still can't watch those videos for some reason though |
| 16:04.59 | Amarande | To me SteamOS seems to feel kind of silly as yet, sadly :| |
| 16:05.49 | Amarande | Primarily the supported GPUs and well, the general use case seems a little contrived, too |
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| 16:06.34 | Amarande | Supported GPUs because, as I've said before, it seems to me that the ideal use of SteamOS is in a small, set top box sized machine you can put in front of your TV with the other STBs, but given that nVidia is pretty much the one GPU manufacturer you CAN'T readily use with that form factor ... |
| 16:09.15 | Alram | AMD and Intel GPU's are not "supported" |
| 16:09.16 | Alram | but they work |
| 16:09.24 | Alram | Valve included mesa and amd drivers anyways |
| 16:09.53 | Amarande | yeah, I guess it just seems a little silly to focus on nVidia, anyways |
| 16:09.55 | Alram | its just that both drivers are "too unstable" to officially support at this point in the beta |
| 16:10.06 | Amarande | since your average self-built steam box is going to want to use AMD or Intel |
| 16:10.23 | Amarande | due to the fact that those are available as integrated GPUs that allow you to use the super small form factors |
| 16:10.35 | Alram | they're focusing on nvidia because nvidia and them have been working together for a while |
| 16:11.13 | Alram | its up to intel and amd to fix the issues valve claims their stuff has |
| 16:12.14 | Alram | most AMD SteamOS users dont report a lot of issues anyways |
| 16:12.15 | Amarande | I guess you can always use the Lian Li cube, though, it's beautifully compact and quite nice looking in a HT setting |
| 16:12.20 | Alram | so official support shouldnt be far away |
| 16:12.41 | Amarande | (by which I mean the PC-V351 models) |
| 16:13.21 | Amarande | but meanwhile, the general usecase for steamos seems a little odd |
| 16:13.36 | Alram | valve is an odd company :P |
| 16:13.48 | Amarande | mainly it won't run windows steam titles (wine will not be a standard feature, apparently) |
| 16:13.49 | Maldivia | playing PC games as if it was a console game attahed to a TV? |
| 16:13.59 | Amarande | I presume it would run Linux steam titles, but how many of those are there really :) |
| 16:14.05 | Alram | a lot really |
| 16:14.13 | Maldivia | isn't the steamos basically for the streaming part from one box to another? |
| 16:14.22 | Amarande | and then there's that whole streaming thing which just puzzles me |
| 16:14.22 | Alram | if you want to play non linux games |
| 16:14.23 | Alram | yep |
| 16:14.31 | Alram | Amarande, linux games: http://steamdb.info/linux/ |
| 16:14.36 | Amarande | like, do you control things from the stream box or from the windows box the games are actually playing on? |
| 16:14.48 | Alram | the windows box does all the rendering compressing and stuff |
| 16:14.57 | Alram | and then the steam client at the other end plays the video |
| 16:14.59 | Alram | and sends back input |
| 16:15.08 | Amarande | heh, another case against them partnering with nVidia, then |
| 16:15.16 | Alram | its not the shield stuff |
| 16:15.23 | Amarande | if the rendering is all being done on the Windows machine that actually plays the game, then you really don't need more than an IGP on the steambox, do you? :) |
| 16:15.38 | Alram | true |
| 16:15.44 | Alram | and thats why there will also be tiny steamboxes |
| 16:16.22 | Amarande | anyway, do you use the keyboard and mouse attached to the steambox, or do you actually use the keyboard and mouse on the windows box and then the steambox is just a secondary display? |
| 16:16.25 | Amarande | the latter seems awfully ... clunky |
| 16:16.31 | Alram | steambox |
| 16:16.55 | Amarande | also I get the feeling we should probably only trust valve games at first on steambox play then :| |
| 16:17.06 | Funkeh` | Shadowed, auras.lua:415 trying to query global "caster" |
| 16:17.08 | Alram | why |
| 16:17.27 | Amarande | Alram: this whole remote keyboard/mouse driver thing seems like it's just begging to trip anti-cheat detectors on games that aren't absolutely savvy of SteamOS's existence |
| 16:17.50 | Amarande | I mean, basically, the hardware events occur on the steambox, then the steambox transmits it to the Windows machine for play |
| 16:18.05 | Alram | it wouldnt be exclusively windows |
| 16:18.08 | Alram | streaming is cross platform |
| 16:18.09 | Alram | but yeah |
| 16:18.12 | Amarande | well, besides the potential latency issues, that means the games are receiving their input programmatically rather than via real hardware |
| 16:18.15 | Alram | there might be some issues i guess |
| 16:18.30 | Amarande | which seems like it's just begging to cause lots of them to think that they're being botted and trip a cheat detector and get you banned |
| 16:18.32 | Alram | from what ive seen in the steam client so far |
| 16:18.35 | Alram | its emulated |
| 16:18.59 | Alram | latency is something we'll find out when it goes live soon |
| 16:19.00 | Amarande | then again, I'm not 100% sure how even things like wine handle that sort of thing |
| 16:19.09 | Alram | i'm hoping they're matching the shield on that |
| 16:19.17 | Amarande | wine is isolated from the hardware as well, as I understand it ... but wine games don't seem to normally think they're being botted |
| 16:19.36 | Amarande | although that's probably not all that warm fuzzy either |
| 16:19.50 | Alram | but yeah |
| 16:19.59 | Amarande | (let's face it, every Blizzard game has apparently had at least one round of Wine-related false positive bans, and that's BLIZZARD games ... which are practically the effing gold standard for Wine support) |
| 16:20.03 | Alram | streaming will probably only work for steam titles |
| 16:20.15 | Alram | non-steam titles do show up in big picture |
| 16:20.27 | Alram | but i dont think they have streaming options |
| 16:20.29 | Alram | i should look into that |
| 16:20.33 | Amarande | mostly I know wine is isolated from the hardware because of knowing about things like itunes, heh |
| 16:20.46 | Funkeh` | Shadowed, movers.lua:487/486 global "OnHide" and "OnShow" |
| 16:21.02 | Amarande | (you can run iTunes just ducky under Wine apparently, and you can even buy music with it, but you can't transfer music to your iPod that way because Wine can't directly see USB devices) |
| 16:21.43 | Funkeh` | Shadowed, units.lua:479 global "guid" |
| 16:21.55 | Amarande | and of course as the overlords at apple decided usb mass storage protocol wasn't good enough for them ... that scotches that LOL |
| 16:23.31 | Funkeh` | Shadowed, units.lua:190 global "event" |
| 16:24.24 | Lopeppeppy | la la la la la! |
| 16:26.41 | Fisker | hai Lopeppeppy |
| 16:28.08 | Torhal | Cairenn: No more netsplits, so shall we try this again? |
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| 16:45.11 | pompy | Torhal: nope |
| 16:47.35 | Lopeppeppy | DNS issues, do not want... *sigh* |
| 16:49.06 | Torhal | stabs pompy with a pomegranate. |
| 16:49.35 | pompy | woah lol... Blizzard is gunna eat these guys alive http://store.steampowered.com/app/263260/ |
| 16:49.47 | pompy | because of http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/games/legacy/ second game down |
| 16:52.00 | TC-Work | They seem to be russian |
| 16:52.50 | pompy | yes they are |
| 16:53.04 | pompy | www.yardteam.ru lol |
| 16:54.21 | Fisker | aww Lopeppeppy |
| 16:54.23 | Fisker | Google DNS it |
| 16:55.18 | Lopeppeppy | I do not choose what my campus uses. I merely suffer the consequences. |
| 16:55.26 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:55.35 | Fisker | oh yeah you have no admin rights on your computer |
| 16:55.42 | Fisker | mwuhahahahahah |
| 16:55.58 | Fisker | I wish someone was getting fired today |
| 16:56.00 | Lopeppeppy | I do, but not that far. |
| 16:56.32 | Fisker | aww |
| 16:57.10 | jleclanche | Fisker: opendns with dnscrypt over ipv6 :3 |
| 16:57.21 | Fisker | hah opendns |
| 16:57.22 | Fisker | no thanks |
| 16:57.39 | jleclanche | its either that on dnscrypt.eu |
| 16:57.46 | jleclanche | im not using the latter out of sheer laziness |
| 16:57.56 | jleclanche | dnscrypt is configured with opendns by default |
| 16:58.01 | jleclanche | id have to set up the keeeyyy. |
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| 17:01.01 | Fisker | you're changing host too late |
| 17:01.06 | Fisker | now I'm going to hack you |
| 17:01.08 | Fisker | comp sci 3 |
| 17:01.12 | Fisker | can you feel it? |
| 17:01.21 | jleclanche | cogwheel: use sasl before fisker has a seizure |
| 17:01.34 | Fisker | I'm not having a seizure jleclanche |
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| 17:03.53 | Unkle | Ahem: http://www.techempower.com/blog/2013/12/17/framework-benchmarks-round-8/ |
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| 17:20.29 | Amarande | hmmm ... any estimated release dates for WoD yet? |
| 17:20.39 | Amarande | my gut guess is going to be late November next year, but I might be wrong :) |
| 17:21.27 | karl_w_w | yeah totally, it's gonna be released later than mists was even though they are further along in dev |
| 17:21.44 | Amarande | karl: late November 2014 coincides with WoW's 10th Anniversary |
| 17:21.56 | Amarande | that may be too big a point to pass up |
| 17:22.27 | Amarande | although depending on dev point, an early year release makes sense also |
| 17:23.13 | Amarande | but to release along with the 10th anniversary would be the logical Super Mega Mega Marketing Spectacular :) |
| 17:23.54 | Amarande | and keep in mind that next spring is supposed to be the D3 expansion too and I doubt they want to shoot that in the foot by having it be too close to WoD :S |
| 17:37.46 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:38.49 | Shirik | I think I have managed to stump atlassian |
| 17:38.56 | Shirik | I've never had a ticket open with them for a week |
| 17:42.39 | nevcairiel | maybe they are in Christmas holidays |
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| 17:43.33 | Neffi | Anyone who likes chocolate and coffee ought to try this.. |
| 17:43.44 | TC-Work | Shirik: Which of their products are you breaking of theirs? |
| 17:43.52 | Shirik | Crucible |
| 17:43.56 | Neffi | I ran out of sugar/honey for my espresso, so I threw a packet of hot chocolate mix into it. Tastes god-damn wonderful. |
| 17:44.00 | TC-Work | s/of theirs// |
| 17:44.14 | Shirik | my team found a way to cause IE to go all the way to the back when clicking a button |
| 17:44.21 | Shirik | I have no idea how that's even possible |
| 17:44.45 | Neffi | history(-100000) ? |
| 17:44.47 | TC-Work | You mean z-axis? |
| 17:44.50 | Shirik | yes |
| 17:45.00 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 17:45.05 | Shirik | like all other windows on the desktop come to the front |
| 17:45.18 | Unkle | ... |
| 17:45.23 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 17:45.25 | Semlar | pop unders yay |
| 17:45.26 | TC-Work | Raising and lowering is built in |
| 17:45.31 | Neffi | That's a really strange bug. Doesn't IE isolate rendering from the window logic? |
| 17:45.38 | Shirik | I would have thought so |
| 17:46.18 | Neffi | Then again I remember Chrome showing off an HTML feature for positioning windows, and then having a rendered animation jump from one to another |
| 17:46.34 | Neffi | I think HTML5 implements a feature for window position |
| 17:46.56 | Shirik | regardless why would Atlassian even be touching it? |
| 17:47.49 | Neffi | It's worth consulting the HTML5 spec and seeing if perhaps it DOES touch it by accident |
| 17:48.02 | Neffi | Might not be an IE issue at all |
| 17:48.11 | Shirik | well I haven't reproduced it in Chrome |
| 17:48.37 | Neffi | Chrome may not have enabled that feature yet without a special flag |
| 17:48.40 | Shirik | but I don't particularly care because I use Chrome :P |
| 17:48.45 | Shirik | it's the rest of my team that's suffering |
| 17:48.59 | Neffi | I certainly hope my browser doesn't allow the content to reposition it |
| 17:49.08 | Shirik | but what about this? |
| 17:49.20 | Neffi | Apparently IE does, intentionally or not |
| 17:49.40 | Neffi | You could always tell them to switch to Chrome ;) |
| 17:49.40 | jleclanche | Neffi: chocolate and coffee? |
| 17:49.41 | jleclanche | where? |
| 17:49.43 | jleclanche | WHERE |
| 17:49.47 | Neffi | jleclanche: in my mug |
| 17:49.52 | jleclanche | ah |
| 17:49.54 | jleclanche | fuck your mug |
| 17:49.56 | jleclanche | here: http://www.puyricard.fr/ |
| 17:49.56 | Shirik | Neffi: http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/ |
| 17:50.11 | Neffi | Chocolate and espresso to be precise. The bitterness of the espresso goes so damn well with the chocolate mix |
| 17:50.47 | jleclanche | hmm.. |
| 17:50.51 | jleclanche | maybe i should buy some for christmas. |
| 17:52.45 | Neffi | Shirik: For me that sticks at 94% and chomps up half a core. Won't go beyond that. |
| 17:52.48 | Neffi | Chrome stable |
| 17:54.01 | Shirik | :( |
| 17:54.11 | Shirik | it is kinda in the "abusive" category of HTML 5 |
| 17:54.16 | Shirik | so it might stretch the limits of what HTML 5 can do |
| 17:54.34 | Shirik | like those birds flying around will react to your mouse |
| 17:54.48 | Neffi | Disabled all custom Chrome flags and addons. Won't load at all for me. Still 94%. |
| 17:55.11 | Neffi | The birds work. I thought you were showing me something else. I input my address and it won't load past it. |
| 17:55.14 | Shirik | Here have this instead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w44cdIOor7E |
| 17:55.32 | Shirik | it is dynamic based on your input address though |
| 17:56.16 | Neffi | It seems Chrome does allow window moving |
| 17:56.25 | Neffi | I need to find the flag to disable that |
| 17:56.34 | pompy | woo verizon released another 4.3 update for the samsung s4... http://www.droid-life.com/2013/12/11/verizon-galaxy-s4-update-build-vruemk2-approved-allows-non-samsung-chargers-to-work-fixes-other-issues/ crazy big size for something so minor so i hope it fixed the initial 4.3 update issues. |
| 17:57.10 | zenzelezz | Verizon has their own version? I get mine right from Samsung |
| 17:57.18 | zenzelezz | though I bought it without a provider |
| 17:57.18 | Neffi | I mean, it's cool, but there are capabilities I don't want web content to have |
| 17:58.32 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: in the great country of the US, they are so forward thinking that they need another instance in between you and your new firmware, to stop all the innovation from spreading too fast |
| 17:58.55 | pompy | zenzelezz: well verizon has to approve it b4 its OTA |
| 17:59.00 | Neffi | nevcairiel: murrica* |
| 18:00.11 | Neffi | I don't know if it's different for you, but our carriers load up tweaked firmware with lots of adware built in. Presumably, they get paid for including some of it. They want to make sure it works with the update. And they take their time. |
| 18:00.48 | Neffi | This is why pushing a custom fork of Android like CM or AOKP is the first thing I do, and the first thing I recommend doing, on a new smartphone |
| 18:00.49 | zenzelezz | I don't think it's as bad here, but if you buy a phone through a provider, they do stuff some of their things in |
| 18:00.52 | nevcairiel | personally i usually dont buy phones from the providers anyway |
| 18:00.57 | zenzelezz | same |
| 18:01.11 | Shirik | lmao |
| 18:01.13 | Shirik | I never saw this |
| 18:01.14 | Shirik | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594937 |
| 18:01.22 | Dagmar | I recommend reading the changelogs and user comments before loading a particular firmware |
| 18:01.23 | Shirik | "Bug 594937 - The Wilderness Downtown Chrome Experiment is making us look bad" |
| 18:01.23 | Neffi | Buying a phone subsidized on contract is the difference between paying $600+ for it, or paying $200-250 |
| 18:01.32 | nevcairiel | Neffi: but thats fake |
| 18:01.39 | Neffi | nevcairiel: what? |
| 18:01.51 | Dagmar | ...because some of these projects have some serious QC problems, including Cyanogenmod |
| 18:02.06 | nevcairiel | Around here i can get a contract without phone included, and the contract will be cheaper, and if you do the math, it comes out to a round the price of the phone |
| 18:02.31 | Neffi | Dagmar: I keep track of what I'm installing. And I do the work for my friends if they want it. I know custom forks will have their problems. I know to avoid them. |
| 18:02.31 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: I just buy the previous generation phone from someone on Craigslist |
| 18:03.02 | Neffi | nevcairiel: It's not the same around here though. At least not with the big providers. And if you go with a little provider they simply don't offer subsidies on phones at all, and their service is worse. |
| 18:03.07 | Dagmar | Neffi: I have yet to install CM 10.2 on my phone because some of the user reports (NO wifi!) are rather horrifying |
| 18:03.21 | jleclanche | Dagmar: can confirm, severe wifi issues here |
| 18:03.26 | nevcairiel | I just buy my phone from google, which is like 50% the price of a comparable samsung device, and cuts out yet another middle-man that puts crap on my phone |
| 18:03.35 | Dagmar | CM should add a flag to builds representing whether or not any of the people building the shit actually have the hardware in their possession |
| 18:03.40 | Neffi | nevcairiel: If you go with a big provider here, you get a phone on your 2 year contract. So if you have a phone already, they give you the cheaper free phones that are midrange anyway. You're paying the same no matter what. |
| 18:04.01 | jleclanche | Dagmar: on that note the UX of the notification box is terrible |
| 18:04.09 | jleclanche | impossible to tell whether bluetooth/wifi is on or off |
| 18:04.16 | nevcairiel | Neffi: your country sure is stuck in the stoneage |
| 18:04.34 | Neffi | Yeah, our technology-fu is dropping staggeringly |
| 18:04.38 | Dagmar | Hmm... at least with 10.1.3 if they're there, they're on. They change color when they're actually doing something |
| 18:04.43 | Neffi | Gone are the days when the US is anywhere near the forefront of technology |
| 18:05.03 | Maldivia | have those days every been? |
| 18:05.07 | Maldivia | ever* |
| 18:05.13 | Dagmar | Nah, we develop it, then the Chinese steal it, and the Japanese show us how to actually freaking make it |
| 18:05.13 | Neffi | Arguably yes |
| 18:05.17 | jleclanche | Dagmar: heres the thing, theres two states for bluetooth |
| 18:05.35 | Neffi | The coutnry has seen its deal of innovation in the early days of computing. And what about when we landed on the moon? |
| 18:05.37 | jleclanche | Dagmar: one white [B] that says "BLUETOOTH OFF" |
| 18:05.47 | jleclanche | Dagmar: and one grey [B] that says "BLUETOOTH" |
| 18:05.48 | jleclanche | WTF. |
| 18:06.05 | Maldivia | so white is off ,and grey is on? |
| 18:06.08 | jleclanche | NO. |
| 18:06.21 | Dagmar | jleclanche: I just ignore the text labels because they're useless. The things are colored by the CM theme anyway |
| 18:06.24 | jleclanche | I'm saying No because I still dont know |
| 18:06.48 | Dagmar | For mine, if they're dark grey they're off, and if they're white they're on |
| 18:06.55 | Fisker | man its slow Shirik |
| 18:07.23 | jleclanche | Maldivia: the thing is |
| 18:07.28 | jleclanche | the text is part of the button |
| 18:07.41 | jleclanche | you dont know if its a label for the action or the status |
| 18:07.43 | jleclanche | its RETARDED. |
| 18:07.55 | zenzelezz | I think the next big leap for USB is when everyone starts agreeing which side of micro-USB is "up" |
| 18:08.04 | Dagmar | It's a bit confusing, but if the text labels says 'thing off' then that facility is off, because if it's on, but not doing anything it'll just say 'thing', and if it's on but say... connected to a network it'll say 'SPRINT, WHICH IS WHY YOU HAVE NO 4G BITCH' |
| 18:08.10 | Neffi | That would be USB 3.1 w/ type C, zenzelezz |
| 18:08.21 | zenzelezz | is that micro-USB? |
| 18:08.25 | Neffi | Because manufacturers will never be consistent until forced |
| 18:08.30 | Neffi | Hopefully there's a micro-C |
| 18:08.31 | jleclanche | Maldivia: oh and btw, the logic is reversed for the wifi, which is next to bluetooth |
| 18:08.37 | nevcairiel | they have both big and micro with type C |
| 18:08.52 | Neffi | And users will complain that they're changing ports again =/ |
| 18:09.03 | nevcairiel | again? usb hasnt changed for ever |
| 18:09.04 | Dagmar | Weird. On mine bluetooth and wifi text labels work the same way, but again I'm still on 10.1.3 for a reason |
| 18:09.17 | Neffi | nevcairiel: People complain about Apple changing ports |
| 18:09.24 | nevcairiel | Neffi: apple doesnt use usb |
| 18:09.36 | jleclanche | Dagmar: i wanna switch theme now but i cant find a different one, i only have one available. how do you get more? |
| 18:09.49 | Neffi | That they don't. But people will see it as their phone using some new port that doesnt work with their old draw full of wires, and call it greed. |
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| 18:10.08 | Dagmar | jleclanche: Poke around in the Play store or XDA Developers is what I usually do until I find one that's mainly black |
| 18:11.14 | jleclanche | meh cba |
| 18:13.14 | Neffi | So now biology says I can drink copious amounts of espresso only if I get drunk too |
| 18:13.15 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/12/caffeine-alcohol-keeps-your-chromosomes-just-right/ |
| 18:13.23 | Neffi | I don't need more of an excuse |
| 18:13.28 | Fisker | damnit |
| 18:13.34 | Fisker | I need to start drinking then |
| 18:13.39 | Neffi | lol |
| 18:13.39 | Fisker | both coffee and alcohol |
| 18:13.55 | jleclanche | I just had a revolutionary idea for a new beverage. |
| 18:14.00 | Neffi | Nectar of the gods and the devil's water. Best mix, eh? |
| 18:14.12 | Neffi | jleclanche: the Irish beat you to it |
| 18:14.22 | jleclanche | Screw the irish they dont count |
| 18:14.32 | Neffi | Hey! I'm .... part Irish |
| 18:14.43 | zenzelezz | that explains things |
| 18:14.50 | jleclanche | that explains parts of things. |
| 18:14.51 | Neffi | >_> |
| 18:15.12 | Unkle | ... I think I will have to club you into submission, jleclanche! I too am of Irish descent. |
| 18:15.50 | Neffi | obligatory http://youtu.be/8WwqA7wAqYE |
| 18:16.04 | jleclanche | Unkle: what you and neffi do behind the bedroom door is none of my business |
| 18:16.16 | Neffi | >_> |
| 18:18.58 | Unkle | jleclanche: Aren't we feisty today? You know you want to watch. |
| 18:19.17 | jleclanche | I'm already watching |
| 18:19.37 | jleclanche | what exactly did you think was in the unreleased snowden files |
| 18:20.12 | Neffi | creepy |
| 18:20.13 | nevcairiel | neffigate? |
| 18:20.16 | Unkle | score one for NSA. |
| 18:20.23 | Neffi | I like that, nev |
| 18:20.27 | Amarande | zenzelezz, USB cables are four-dimensional |
| 18:20.28 | Neffi | I'm gonna use that |
| 18:21.10 | Amarande | http://www.eatliver.com/i.php?n=8471 |
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| 18:22.09 | Fisker | tickles jnwhiteh |
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| 18:26.40 | jleclanche | http://507movements.com/ |
| 18:26.48 | jleclanche | this is awesome AND its not the name of a startup in SF |
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| 18:29.39 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:29.43 | Shirik | "not the name of a startup in SF" |
| 18:35.53 | Unkle | starts a company called 507Movements in San Francisco. |
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| 18:52.25 | Fisker | no all caps hosts ale |
| 18:52.26 | Fisker | damnit |
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| 19:01.07 | Fisker | oh damnit |
| 19:01.11 | Fisker | I need to be here when he joins again |
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| 19:04.02 | karl_w_w | do it Fisker |
| 19:04.05 | karl_w_w | gogo |
| 19:04.14 | Fisker | alestane no all caps hosts! |
| 19:04.28 | Fisker | T. Hanks karl_w_w |
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| 19:28.41 | alestane | You can take my school network to task for that one, Fisker. |
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| 19:33.24 | zenzelezz | messing around with my sound card settings; turning up the number of channels it uses seems to cause it to sound like it has more of an echo in some situations |
| 19:34.42 | VIad | nooo! |
| 19:35.15 | VIad | the /i.php?n=(\d+) should be /(\d+) |
| 19:35.21 | VIad | (talking about http://www.eatliver.com/i.php?n=8471 ) |
| 19:35.42 | Dagmar | RewriteRule |
| 19:42.37 | Neffi | rewrites Semlar. |
| 19:43.25 | Neffi | Semlar: this is the first alpha release. Please report any critical bugs. We probably won't fix them, but we'll pretend we care. |
| 19:43.52 | Semlar | pushes neffi |
| 19:44.44 | Neffi | pops Semlar. |
| 19:44.56 | Semlar | dies |
| 19:45.14 | Neffi | yeah, it's best not to fall off the stack |
| 19:45.16 | Neffi | the ground is lava |
| 19:46.47 | Semlar | it doesn't taste like lava |
| 19:47.30 | Neffi | that's because your brain is melting |
| 19:47.42 | Semlar | ah |
| 19:47.47 | Neffi | yea, sorry |
| 19:50.09 | Semlar | no worries |
| 19:56.41 | Semlar | well one small worry |
| 19:57.55 | Torhal | watches in awe as Semlar truncates Neffi using a ScrollFrame. |
| 19:57.55 | Neffi | It's alright. I can live with what I've done. |
| 19:58.06 | Neffi | OH GOD DONT CUT THAT OFF |
| 19:58.11 | Semlar | did you need that |
| 19:58.16 | Neffi | yes! |
| 19:58.36 | Semlar | should have said something |
| 19:58.42 | Neffi | Why did you make the scrollframe so small that I had to choose between one of my heads? |
| 19:58.59 | Torhal | o.O |
| 19:59.00 | Semlar | how many do you need |
| 19:59.17 | Neffi | I would like to keep them both |
| 19:59.45 | Semlar | which one are you more attached to |
| 20:00.03 | Neffi | I'm sorry, I can't answer that |
| 20:01.59 | Semlar | i added a refresh button |
| 20:02.17 | Semlar | without a script |
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| 20:02.43 | Semlar | it's more for decoration |
| 20:02.54 | Neffi | Oh wonderful |
| 20:03.12 | Neffi | My friend is moving back from PA *today*, where they have 2 feet of snow, and he can't do it without my help |
| 20:03.27 | Semlar | is he a snowman |
| 20:03.35 | Neffi | >_> |
| 20:03.44 | Neffi | I love being a good friend. |
| 20:03.50 | Neffi | Well, I'm off to shower and get ready |
| 20:09.33 | Lopeppeppy | frets about the snowstorm outside her window. |
| 20:13.52 | Semlar | close the curtains! |
| 20:18.49 | Lopeppeppy | Or just go drive home in it. *sigh* Ta. |
| 20:18.57 | Fisker | baibai |
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| 20:57.50 | Semlar | can you apply the mature language filter to an arbitrary string? |
| 21:09.00 | Maldivia | well, guess you can send a message to yourself and read what you wrote? iirc the filter is C-side? |
| 21:10.29 | Corv | It doen't just use the Lua chat filters? |
| 21:10.43 | Dagmar | I'm not sure that's a thing you'd want to do all the time |
| 21:11.08 | Dagmar | I mean, it's an interesting way to go about it, but bandwidth- and server-wasateful |
| 21:11.23 | Dagmar | Corv's probably on the right track. I'd wager there's a function you can call locally |
| 21:11.27 | Dagmar | It just may not be documented for shit |
| 21:11.36 | Maldivia | well, I don't think there are any lua API calls to invoke the profanity filter otherwise |
| 21:12.12 | Dagmar | I always kind of assumed after the "Big @#$@!$ Sword" incident that it was baked right into the string handlers along with the i18n stuff |
| 21:13.07 | Dagmar | (during beta the filter affected *all* text, including 'Big Bastard Sword', which most of us felt was NOTABUG) |
| 21:13.28 | Dagmar | Best tooltip ever |
| 21:13.47 | Neffi | Shouldn't be hard to roll your own profanity filter |
| 21:14.04 | Dagmar | Agreed |
| 21:14.08 | Neffi | There's probably freely available profanity dictionaries available |
| 21:14.23 | Neffi | You might even find an advanced implementation that's open source to port to Lua |
| 21:14.28 | Maldivia | yeah, chatframe filters should make it easy... but make one that acts exactly like blizzard's might prove more difficult |
| 21:15.09 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh, you should have seen Guild Wars 1 |
| 21:15.22 | Amarande | the language filter was *crazy* there |
| 21:15.25 | Dagmar | Amarande: DUde the asians really have a knack for obscenity |
| 21:15.32 | Corv | ChatFrame_GetMessageEventFilters on CHAT_MSG_SAY returns four anonymous functions. |
| 21:15.37 | Amarande | There was a mob named the Damned Cleric, which was always %#$#ed out |
| 21:15.40 | Dagmar | We decrypted the canned banned name list for Lineage2. I was _impressed_ |
| 21:15.49 | Amarande | and, to top it all off ... Captain Quimang from the starter island on Factions |
| 21:16.33 | Amarande | I tried to speak of that quest to my guild mates ... I had had the filter turned off at the time so I didn't notice it myself, but guildies were noting it was getting censored out |
| 21:17.35 | Amarande | apparently "quim" is some obscure term for the female anatomy :S |
| 21:17.38 | Amarande | to which my thought is this |
| 21:18.01 | Amarande | if you have to google the bloody word to find out why it is being bleeped ... is it really a significant enough source of offence to enough people that bleeping it is worth the trouble? LOL |
| 21:18.04 | Dagmar | Welll, there's lots of "obscure" terms for that. That particular one just happens to be from the seventies. |
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| 21:18.44 | Maldivia | Corv: probably added by one of your addons -- on a clean UI, I get an empty result |
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| 21:18.52 | Amarande | Dagmar: I mean if it's obscure enough that that few people even know it, it doesn't really seem to pass muster as a societally important imprecation |
| 21:19.52 | Dagmar | I would argue that it's no-longer-contemporary use coupled with it being only part of a word, should be enough to exclude it |
| 21:19.57 | Corv | Maldivia: Yeah, looks like you're right. I recognized a 5th named func, assumed the rest were Blizz |
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| 21:21.02 | Dagmar | Hmm... looks like it's in C-space and baked in |
| 21:23.09 | Neffi | Amarande: It's moot to argue, IMO. A solid argument can be made that it's never the word used, but the intent behind it, so filtering *anything* is both ineffective and stupid. |
| 21:24.13 | Dagmar | Can you dump the list of hooks presently tied to chatframe's message event filter? |
| 21:24.44 | Dagmar | Hrmm... |
| 21:25.26 | Dagmar | Ah you can |
| 21:27.11 | Dagmar | Damn yeah it's embedded in something else. |
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| 21:47.06 | Semlar | filters neffi |
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| 22:21.14 | kd3 | holy crap at a crane operator needing a helicopter rescue |
| 22:21.23 | kd3 | http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/chopper-rescues-crane-operator-trapped-in-massive-kingston-ont-blaze-1.1597461 |
| 22:22.36 | Cairenn | ugh |
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| 22:34.51 | Semlar | can you do arenas cross realm |
| 22:35.27 | Semlar | looks like you can |
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| 23:04.42 | jleclanche | who wants Little Inferno on steam? |
| 23:09.38 | Corv | Is there something funny about the way functions attached to frame templates get referenced? |
| 23:10.33 | Corv | The shields on the achievement frame have the OnEnter script set to AchievementShield_OnEnter in the xml, but I can't seem to hook it. |
| 23:12.07 | Corv | In fact, printing both AS_OE and the function I get from GetMouseFocus():GetScript("OnEnter") does give me different addresses... |
| 23:12.16 | Corv | What gives? |
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| 23:23.33 | jleclanche | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6921333 |
| 23:23.39 | jleclanche | this guy makes a really great point |
| 23:23.43 | jleclanche | i never thought of it this way |
| 23:24.21 | jleclanche | although id like to know what trains have showers on board |
| 23:24.48 | Ressy | You guys see this? https://twitter.com/Journo_Morganne/status/413033735282757633/photo/1 |
| 23:25.11 | zenzelezz | ouch |
| 23:25.46 | Ressy | They sent a military search & rescue for him. |
| 23:26.50 | Ressy | Major student housing built entirely of wood/board, no fire retardants/steel/firestops, and so it just went up. |
| 23:26.52 | zenzelezz | not quite the same, but a truck with 15 tons of (suppsedly) explosive substances blew up here today |
| 23:27.23 | Ressy | and its spread to houses, businesses, a retirement home, and they're trying to keep it away from a gas station now. |
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| 23:43.44 | Amarande | Student housing ... lemme guess, frat boys get drunk and forget about a cigarette? :| |
| 23:44.40 | Amarande | hmmm ... it is about finals time, so I wouldn't be surprised if it actually is that :( |
| 23:44.44 | Neffi | The board is probably somewhat fire retardent, to be fair |
| 23:44.51 | Neffi | Not like that does much when there's no other protection |
| 23:47.32 | Mr_Rabies | lol what happened with nUI and wowinterface, i feel like i missed some juicy drama |
| 23:47.49 | Neffi | IIRC nUI author quit because of the caustic community |
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| 23:48.18 | Neffi | ESO Nightblade looks cool. Rogue + warlock (sans pet) |
| 23:48.20 | Amarande | was nUI at all related to nQuestLog? |
| 23:49.26 | Amarande | that was the only addon with that sort of name I remember ever using, and I thought that died out long long ago, like during the transition from BC to Wrath |
| 23:50.25 | Neffi | I think I released a few n* addons. I dont remember if I actually did release them though |
| 23:50.34 | Neffi | Probably no relation to nQuestLog =P |
| 23:50.46 | Neffi | I changed all my branding to nf* after I heard about nUI |
| 23:51.10 | Amarande | I forget who did nQuestLog. Like I said, that died out long long ago heh |
| 23:51.22 | Amarande | It certainly influenced my choice of quest log addons from then on, though |
| 23:51.44 | Amarande | had some similarities to monkeyquest and QuestGuru I think |
| 23:51.54 | nebula169 | nUI guy wanted to start charging to access it, weird he left it on curse but took it off wowi |
| 23:52.11 | Amarande | As for why I abandoned MQ ... that was a curious bug around the time Cata came out |
| 23:52.39 | nebula169 | oh, he's just not updating it anymore on either site? |
| 23:52.55 | nebula169 | i don't understand why addon authors get so dramatic about them |
| 23:53.04 | Amarande | Still not sure what caused that, but apparently any time I ever had a quest active that had the "click the macguffin from the quest tracker" feature once 4.0.1 hit, MonkeyQuest would cause the framerate to drop |
| 23:53.10 | Amarande | and by drop I mean 'all the way to single digit frame rates' |
| 23:53.12 | Neffi | I dont think quest addons are really necessary anymore. Questing is so streamlined. |
| 23:53.28 | Neffi | Grab everything, check the map, draw a line that hits all objectives, close it and bang them all out |
| 23:53.44 | Amarande | Neffi: the kind of quest addons I use are generally to customise the tracker display |
| 23:53.55 | Amarande | rather than so much actually pointing to things for the questing itself |
| 23:54.14 | Neffi | I was gonna right a quest tracker that totally replaced the default one and was really flexible, but then I realized how little I actually use the tracker. |
| 23:54.29 | Neffi | Tooltip and (mini)map integration made questing so streamlined |
| 23:55.00 | Mr_Rabies | it's that way everywhere, nebula169, it seems |
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| 23:55.34 | Mr_Rabies | to the point that notch had to make very specific rules about minecraft mods because of modder drama |
| 23:55.35 | Neffi | ahi Semlar |
| 23:55.56 | Amarande | there seems to be a positive correlation between creativity and drama-proneness in many cases, sadly :| |
| 23:56.03 | Amarande | I'm really not at all sure why that should be the case |
| 23:57.41 | Amarande | hell maybe it could even just be that the level of psychological presence to actually CARE enough to create something necessarily means a certain vulnerability to it |
| 23:58.21 | Mr_Rabies | it sucks that as a freelancer you have to deal with the general public's idiocy |
| 23:58.27 | Mr_Rabies | but that's how it goes as a freelancer |
| 23:58.30 | Amarande | whereas your typical boring uncreative apathetic sheeple quite likely just doesn't really care enough about most shit to get in a drama tizzy about it. :p |
| 23:59.00 | Mr_Rabies | if you want to develop without dealing with the public, either create a software company and have someone with thicker skin do it, or work for someone with support that you don't have to touch |
| 23:59.48 | Amarande | also a lot of typical consumer sheeple probably don't care enough to care about the feelings of the developers |
| 23:59.48 | Mr_Rabies | applies pretty much to anything |
