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| 00:32.47 | Semlar | fails to take neffi seriously |
| 00:33.05 | Neffi_ | =( |
| 00:33.09 | Semlar | aw |
| 00:33.33 | Neffi_ | yoo hurted mah feeling |
| 00:34.09 | Semlar | i didn't mean it |
| 00:34.53 | Neffi_ | YES U DID |
| 00:38.36 | TC-Work | Calm down Neffi_ with a tail |
| 00:40.42 | Neffi | tail? |
| 00:40.56 | TC-Work | "<-> Neffi_ is now known as Neffi" |
| 00:41.00 | TC-Work | So there |
| 00:41.51 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.47 | Neffi | it's almost like real music! |
| 00:43.02 | Semlar | i'm not sure this counts as lyrics |
| 00:55.36 | Kesava | we're all wine users aren't we? |
| 00:55.47 | Kesava | why on earth does my fps (and cpu usage) double when I hold control? |
| 00:55.50 | TC-Work | No? |
| 00:56.01 | TC-Work | I use windows like a big boy. |
| 00:56.11 | Kesava | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.51 | TC-Work | Hey, I am not elitist. I will use what needs to be used |
| 01:02.04 | Arrowmaster | Kesava: so i recently had an issue that i thought might have been the return of the wine bug that caused all key holds to send repeating up and down events to the windows program, and also caused some lag |
| 01:03.01 | Arrowmaster | or it might have been in the X stack and not wine |
| 01:05.09 | Kesava | that's.. interesting |
| 01:05.40 | Kesava | I have no idea how I'd find out if something like that was happening, I don't see any peculiar entires with WINEDEBUG on |
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| 01:13.01 | Primer | <-- wine user |
| 01:13.27 | Primer | I'll try this control key thing once my boss leaves |
| 01:14.02 | Semlar | boss key |
| 01:14.40 | Primer | I don't really need a boss key |
| 01:14.53 | Primer | I use workspaces and have keybinds that switch them in a pinch |
| 01:15.06 | Primer | it's just that he's standing right by my desk currently |
| 01:15.58 | Dashkal | waves at Primer's boss |
| 01:18.41 | Primer | no change in FPS when holding down control |
| 01:18.50 | Primer | or any other mod key |
| 01:18.56 | Kesava | gah. |
| 01:19.07 | Kesava | .. do you have many macros? |
| 01:19.34 | Kesava | seriously, 22 > 45~ fps is just silly, I've tested it with multiple distros, versions, patches.. |
| 01:19.49 | Kesava | any characater regardless of macros but it bugs me that they change too, obviously |
| 01:20.35 | Primer | everything I do is a macro |
| 01:20.45 | Primer | but I don't use [mod:] in my macros |
| 01:21.00 | Primer | I just use keybinds for buttons that include the mod |
| 01:21.05 | Semlar | this happens with all of your addons disabled? |
| 01:21.07 | Primer | and the button is the macro |
| 01:21.13 | Kesava | Semlar: yup |
| 01:21.20 | Semlar | what kind of keyboard do you have |
| 01:22.05 | Kesava | um, it's a microsoft comfort curve 2000. |
| 01:22.11 | Kesava | so nothing special's going on there |
| 01:22.13 | Kesava | ... I hope |
| 01:22.48 | Primer | What version of wine? |
| 01:22.55 | Semlar | alright here's what you do: take a piece of masking tape and a sharpie and write "TURBO" on it and put it over the ctrl key |
| 01:22.57 | Primer | I'm using latest git as of a few days ago |
| 01:23.05 | Kesava | 1.6 atm, 1.7.8 on arch, it's been going on for a long time |
| 01:23.30 | Kesava | that's a interesting idea |
| 01:24.20 | Kesava | should probably test with a different keyboard though, that's a good point.. |
| 01:24.34 | Kesava | and I'm -pretty certain- it doesn't happen on windows. or if it does it's not as dramatic. |
| 01:25.07 | Semlar | what frame rate do you get in windows |
| 01:25.47 | Kesava | same place I am now, probably 70ish (capped at 60) |
| 01:26.29 | Kesava | oh, yeah, i should check the uncapped speed. clearly. |
| 01:27.37 | Kesava | but generally in the shrines or anywhere populated even on windows I only get about 40, and -then- I definitely don't remember it doing anything |
| 01:42.28 | Kesava | happens with d3d9, too. I was hoping it was opengl. |
| 01:46.26 | Kesava | I'm putting my mouseover macros back on my bars and the fps is gradually getting lower.. |
| 01:46.42 | Kesava | if that's all it is then. jesus. how do I fix that |
| 01:48.14 | Kesava | hiding the (default) interface, -then- holding a modifier puts it up to 60. |
| 01:49.49 | Kesava | Ok so I'm pretty sure I had already tested this but it does nothing on a level 5 hunter with no macros |
| 01:50.13 | Kesava | so -apparently- checking for modifiers is really cpu intensive on wine |
| 01:50.41 | Semlar | you can try this http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info17648 |
| 01:51.03 | Semlar | see if it makes any difference |
| 01:51.31 | Semlar | i got rid of practically all of my macros since this can just make everything cast on mouseover |
| 01:52.56 | Kesava | I get the idea it'll be the same since it uses wow's syntax but I'll give it a go |
| 01:53.03 | Kesava | .. I need more space for mouseovers anyway |
| 01:53.57 | Semlar | that's the main reason i got it, couldn't make any more macros |
| 01:54.21 | Semlar | and it's stupid to have to turn every one of my abilities into a macro that does one thing |
| 01:54.57 | Kesava | idd |
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| 02:10.59 | Kesava | reporting from windoze, no such thing is happening. |
| 02:11.01 | Kesava | so i'm confused. |
| 02:13.07 | airtonix | i once dozed in the wind |
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| 02:14.18 | Kesava | sounds relaxing |
| 02:15.07 | airtonix | yeah when you've smoked some nice kiff and you have earplugs in with biosphere... it really is |
| 02:15.39 | airtonix | and wearing a scarf |
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| 03:51.28 | pompy | Fisker: Snuggle Truck, eh? ;) |
| 03:54.09 | alestane | I've met the guy who made that game. |
| 03:56.53 | bleeter | (SPAM ALERT) If you only sign one online petition this year... https://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/people-who-disagree-with-me-agree-with-me |
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| 05:45.31 | Mr_Rabies | they really should just make warforged gear pre-upgraded, and/or have upgrade levels randomly already filled on gear |
| 05:45.45 | Mr_Rabies | having an upgrade system and a warforged system is really awkward |
| 05:46.29 | Mr_Rabies | instead items should have a rare chance to drop upgraded 1/2 or 2/2 levels, even if upgrades aren't implemented for that part of the tier or whatever |
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| 09:18.49 | karl_w_w | how is it that whenever I get a package from overseas the corner has cobwebs on it |
| 09:20.34 | karl_w_w | either my one always gets put in some obscure corner of the plane, or the plane is infested with spiders which seems like a quarantine problem |
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| 09:36.29 | Silvanas | good morning |
| 09:36.53 | zenzio | I'm certain this is old (I'm looking at you in particular Fisker), but I was only now linked it: http://what-if.xkcd.com/ |
| 09:37.05 | nevcairiel | it is old, but its pretty good |
| 09:41.49 | bleeter | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbWwsd8IYAAWjLm.jpg |
| 09:48.12 | zenzio | if only such warnings worked |
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| 10:15.00 | karl_w_w | oohhh my god zenzio sooooooooo old |
| 10:15.12 | karl_w_w | I saw that like last month! where have you been? |
| 10:15.24 | zenzio | your response was so slow it is of no relevance |
| 10:15.33 | zenzio | then again, everything takes a while to reach Aussieland |
| 10:16.26 | karl_w_w | yeah because our communications network is soooooo old |
| 10:16.59 | karl_w_w | trace route me if you don't believe me! almost typod beliebe! |
| 10:19.01 | karl_w_w | wow forums really need "search in this thread" |
| 10:24.55 | sintAcks | really |
| 10:24.55 | sintAcks | really |
| 10:24.57 | sintAcks | REALLY |
| 10:25.05 | sintAcks | getting fucking tired of this fucking lock up bullshit |
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| 11:01.49 | zenzio | lockup? |
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| 11:19.53 | Cairenn | Ohhhh, I feel special now! |
| 11:19.55 | Cairenn | http://pastebin.com/bMxvzTGp |
| 11:20.13 | karl_w_w | you've always been special Cairenn |
| 11:20.18 | Cairenn | lol |
| 11:20.56 | Fisker | I liked the phishing mail I got yesterday |
| 11:21.03 | Fisker | It kept switching between being EU and US |
| 11:21.08 | Cairenn | heh |
| 11:21.13 | Fisker | and had a cdk-key in it for some reason |
| 11:21.25 | Fisker | not just a cd-key |
| 11:22.04 | Fisker | WoWAccountAdmin@blizzard.com <-us |
| 11:22.18 | Fisker | You can confirm that you are the original owner of the account to this secure website with: |
| 11:22.18 | Fisker | https://eu.battle.net/account/ <-eu |
| 11:22.25 | Fisker | Mini World of Warcraft 30 days CDK-Key |
| 11:22.28 | Fisker | wut? |
| 11:22.33 | Fisker | Blizzard Entertainment SAS <-eu |
| 11:22.41 | Cairenn | lol |
| 11:22.51 | Fisker | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/policy/ |
| 11:22.51 | Fisker | http://us.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/about/termsofuse.html <-uh what |
| 11:23.06 | Fisker | and then another us link at the bottom |
| 11:25.25 | Neffi | http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/cpg/4241392853.html lol |
| 11:29.22 | karl_w_w | proof that cod players are super smart |
| 11:53.53 | zenzio | I quite like Gmail's "filter messages from this mailing list" feature... since Facebook flat out refuses to not send notifications in certain situations |
| 11:54.20 | sintAcks | tri-boxing melee sucks |
| 11:54.43 | sintAcks | zenzio, wow randomly just locks up |
| 11:55.04 | zenzio | oh, still? I think I recall you mentioning that a week or two ago |
| 11:55.15 | Sintacks | yeah |
| 11:55.18 | zenzio | disabling all addons didn't help, right? |
| 11:55.24 | Sintacks | it stopped for a while after i reinstalled completely |
| 11:55.27 | Sintacks | and then started again |
| 11:55.32 | zenzio | and no other games cause this, only WoW? |
| 11:55.33 | Sintacks | does it with addons and without |
| 11:55.40 | Sintacks | wow is what is locking up |
| 11:55.52 | zenzio | yes, but you're not experiencing it in any other game? |
| 11:56.01 | Sintacks | no |
| 11:56.10 | zenzio | so it's not likely a driver issue |
| 12:10.01 | zenzio | "Call to undefined function error_lol()"... that should have been a function, or at least an alias for error_log() :( |
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| 12:38.57 | VIad | the dota 2 frostivus mode uses lua for their scripting :D |
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| 12:55.02 | Sintacks | zenzio, I multibox sometimes. it only happens on one client. it has never happened on the other client(s). |
| 12:55.13 | Sintacks | and the other clients use the same \data\ folder via symlink |
| 12:55.15 | Sintacks | goes to sleep |
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| 13:00.41 | Silvanas | why didnt silly blizzard just add the realm name as an extra paramter to GetGuildRosterInfo(), instead theydecided to add it to the name :/ |
| 13:12.02 | bluspacecow | because |
| 13:12.03 | bluspacecow | Logic |
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| 13:16.43 | zenzio | http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/12/13/0056226/wikipedias-lamest-edit-wars |
| 13:22.03 | bluspacecow | da faq Agent |
| 13:22.08 | bluspacecow | y u peg processor! |
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| 13:29.17 | karl_w_w | so I just noticed you don't pronounce the g in -ing |
| 13:31.46 | bluspacecow | oh rily |
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| 13:46.42 | Lopeppeppy | lurves everybody! |
| 13:47.23 | Fisker | That's a lot of lurve |
| 13:47.44 | Fisker | It's not weekend yet |
| 13:47.51 | karl_w_w | gives Fisker a sybian |
| 13:48.34 | Lopeppeppy | It is if I say it is. |
| 13:48.38 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 13:48.45 | Fisker | You didn't say that it was |
| 13:48.54 | Fisker | checkmate |
| 13:49.10 | zenzio | ohai peppy |
| 13:49.56 | Fisker | ^^ |
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| 13:50.09 | Fisker | I missed the Lopeppeppy :O |
| 13:51.43 | zenzio | Julebord-time tonight... always interesting |
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| 13:53.19 | Maldivia | no no - julebord isn't until tomorrow :P |
| 13:53.39 | Fisker | what the fuck is a julebord? |
| 13:53.59 | zenzio | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julebord |
| 13:54.19 | bluspacecow | Oh |
| 13:54.30 | bluspacecow | I thought it was Julie who was flat as a board |
| 13:54.42 | bluspacecow | silly norwegians |
| 13:54.45 | Fisker | So wait |
| 13:54.49 | Fisker | It's just julefrokost |
| 13:54.54 | Fisker | fuck you norwegians you weird |
| 13:55.03 | Fisker | has frokost in the evening |
| 13:55.09 | zenzio | we have it in the evenings, so we can get wasted |
| 13:55.10 | bluspacecow | fro kost ? |
| 13:55.18 | zenzio | oh, in that case you're right Fisker |
| 13:55.33 | bluspacecow | juliefrokost |
| 13:55.39 | bluspacecow | julie had a fro then kost'd |
| 13:56.55 | Fisker | stahp bluspacecow |
| 13:57.04 | bluspacecow | Are you an 8 ball Fisker ? |
| 13:57.09 | bluspacecow | can I sheik you ? |
| 13:57.12 | Fisker | nope |
| 13:58.09 | Lopeppeppy | You missed me while I was gone? awwww. |
| 13:58.36 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.45 | Fisker | Nah I missed you while I was gone :O |
| 13:59.10 | Fisker | there were no free fish yesterday |
| 14:01.18 | Lopeppeppy | What will you do while I'm away for winter vacation, Fisker? |
| 14:01.26 | Fisker | oh oh |
| 14:01.44 | Fisker | send you a 3g enabled tablet with irc on it? |
| 14:01.52 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 14:02.44 | Fisker | so where are you spending your holidays? |
| 14:04.09 | karl_w_w | do people actually like lutefisk or is it something of a joke now |
| 14:04.33 | zenzio | some do |
| 14:04.48 | zenzio | it's getting more like a tradition, where you have it because "you're supposed to" |
| 14:05.01 | Lopeppeppy | My previous great grand boss used to make it for the holidays, I've had some. |
| 14:05.14 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, I have no holiday plans other than to paint my master bathroom. |
| 14:05.19 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 14:05.19 | zenzio | we chose to have "christmas"-tapas at the julebord tonight. I don't know what the christmas means |
| 14:05.21 | Fisker | Just won't be on irc? |
| 14:05.33 | Fisker | or that is not what you meant by winter vacation? :o |
| 14:05.47 | Lopeppeppy | Less likely to be, since I'll be at home for 2 weeks and not at work at my computer. |
| 14:05.50 | zenzio | winter vacation? That's a long time away still, isn't it? |
| 14:05.57 | Fisker | Ah |
| 14:06.10 | Fisker | So when you come on irc you're at work? >:O |
| 14:07.46 | Lopeppeppy | zenzio, the 21st through the 6th. |
| 14:08.21 | Lopeppeppy | Yes Fisker, that's me turning on my computer for work, and shutting it down at the end of the day. I'm a workday geek. |
| 14:08.29 | Fisker | >:O |
| 14:08.44 | Fisker | mind = blown |
| 14:09.11 | Neffi | http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/UserManager.html#isUserAGoat() |
| 14:09.12 | Fisker | So you do need some sort of computing device with irc on it I see |
| 14:09.18 | Neffi | bluspacecow: ^ |
| 14:09.42 | bluspacecow | MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 14:09.54 | Neffi | goats don't moo |
| 14:09.58 | Neffi | so does that return false? |
| 14:10.05 | Fisker | So old Neffi :( |
| 14:10.06 | Fisker | yes |
| 14:10.12 | bluspacecow | Used to determine whether the user making this call is subject to teleportations. |
| 14:10.19 | airtonix | looks like it's possible for userscripts to read your saved passwords after chrome/firefox puts them into the field. |
| 14:10.24 | bluspacecow | what does being a goat do with being able to teleport ? |
| 14:10.35 | Neffi | iunno |
| 14:10.41 | Neffi | i thought you would know honestly |
| 14:17.07 | bluspacecow | *thinks* |
| 14:17.19 | bluspacecow | draeneis are like space goats ? |
| 14:17.29 | bluspacecow | so draenei space goat mage cans teleports! |
| 14:19.21 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: that's christmas vacation, winter vacation is in February or so |
| 14:19.57 | Lopeppeppy | I don't get any other break in winter, zenzio, this is it. 2 weeks of paid vacation is pretty sweet |
| 14:20.15 | Neffi | I humbly submit a patch to the WoW UI team: http://pastebin.com/sP85etvb |
| 14:21.00 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 14:21.12 | Fisker | you need to irc at home Lopeppeppy :( |
| 14:25.46 | Lopeppeppy | If I drag out the laptop I can - but I dn't want to get paint on poor baby Gryphon. He's a good boy. |
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| 14:29.13 | Fisker | Well you don't have to be on irc the same room you're painting in :O |
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| 14:56.04 | jleclanche | my g+ stream is weird |
| 14:56.05 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/6O_zZ3oduvCw |
| 14:58.48 | haste | mine is just: ingress, ingress, ingress, ingress, ingress |
| 14:59.15 | haste | oh and some android |
| 15:07.27 | Dagmar | Decode is the worst |
| 15:07.37 | Dagmar | They should rename it to Ingress Spam |
| 15:07.45 | Wobin | s'true |
| 15:08.08 | Wobin | cept I have a lot of local ingress spam |
| 15:08.25 | Wobin | "Smurf Olympics" |
| 15:08.48 | Dagmar | Decode has slowly turned into "let's reblog everything ingress-related" |
| 15:09.55 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, I have cats. Whatever room I'm painting in, the doors will be shut and I will be a prisoner! Bwah ha ha. |
| 15:13.41 | haste | glad I don't follow them Dagmar |
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| 15:23.37 | Neffi | I'm making a handy USB drive for Windows stuff. Contains a Windows 7 ISO, and some portable tools for administration, diagnostics, repair, etc. Any recommended stuff I might've forgotten to add to it? |
| 15:24.53 | Neffi | Right now it contains 7zip, Chrome, cmder, Lua 5.2 + ref manual, Notepad++ w/ some plugins, Recuva, a handful of useful registry tweaks, the "Godmode" folder, and MBAM installer |
| 15:29.34 | TC-Work | what is the point of it? |
| 15:29.34 | Neffi | I fix a lot of computers for friends, family. |
| 15:29.34 | Neffi | Just have tools handy so I can diagnose issues, fix stuff that's not bad enough to need a full reinstall of Windows, and have a Windows ISO handy if it comes to that |
| 15:29.44 | karl_w_w | ophcrack |
| 15:30.06 | karl_w_w | something for partitions |
| 15:30.08 | TC-Work | Except you would not be able to install off of the flash drive? |
| 15:30.11 | Neffi | sure, why not |
| 15:30.18 | Neffi | TC-Work: Why not? |
| 15:30.27 | TC-Work | Then you don't have an ISO |
| 15:30.55 | karl_w_w | you can install off a usb |
| 15:31.01 | karl_w_w | if you set it up |
| 15:31.04 | alestane | Not entirely sure why I would tell anyone "Well played" in Hearthstone when what I usually mean is "Congratulations on owning a huge legendary that you can beat me over the head with." |
| 15:31.07 | Neffi | Okay, I don't have an ISO, I have a USB stick already formatted and prepped FOR installation |
| 15:31.11 | Neffi | With extra tools also on it |
| 15:31.16 | TC-Work | That's better |
| 15:31.26 | Neffi | >_> |
| 15:32.28 | Neffi | karl_w_w: Not sure what to do with that route. I'm thinking later on of doing a more complex setup, where I have both a Linux LiveUSB and a Windows 7 installer on the same USB stick |
| 15:32.38 | Neffi | So I've got things like GParted available from the live environment |
| 15:32.51 | Neffi | But getting that to work is a headache with bootloaders and EFI issues |
| 15:32.59 | karl_w_w | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ I have totally never linked that in this channel before |
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| 15:33.25 | Neffi | dammit, Universal USB Installer just finished |
| 15:33.42 | TC-Work | >.< |
| 15:34.05 | TC-Work | That is a horrible name for a program |
| 15:34.14 | Neffi | But it's a wonderful little program |
| 15:34.30 | TC-Work | Might as well be saying PIN Number |
| 15:34.32 | Neffi | Every single other one I've tried, including the popular UNetBootin, has issues with some setups |
| 15:34.36 | TC-Work | or ATM Machine |
| 15:34.51 | Neffi | UUI works 100% of the time |
| 15:35.29 | Neffi | karl_w_w: Does that work with EFI/GPT-only setups? |
| 15:35.47 | Neffi | Eg, my x220 is finicky and the default Windows 7 ISO cannot even be installed without fixing the EFI bootloader |
| 15:41.36 | karl_w_w | afaik it works the same as uui |
| 15:43.03 | Neffi | With UUI, if the ISO has a valid bootx64.efi image on it, then it'll get copied to the right place and EFI boot will work incidentally |
| 15:43.18 | Neffi | If you're mixing multiple ISOs, then I guess it's not gonna place bootx64.efi at the right spot |
| 15:43.49 | Neffi | UUI doesn't explicitly support EFI booting, EFI booting just works out of the box because it allows booting from a file at a predefined location as a fallback |
| 15:45.52 | Dagmar | It feels weird to be using a bios-based boot manager |
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| 15:47.41 | Neffi | I really like how EFI works, just because bootloaders have always been a huge headache, and EFI makes it so fucking stupidly simple to do even complex bootloader setups (as long as you don't need MBR/BIOS support) |
| 15:48.16 | Neffi | There are situations where you can literally just drop your kernel at the right location and have a bootable system with no bootloader at all |
| 15:48.31 | Neffi | And then you've got GummiBoot, which is such a joy to use/configure |
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| 15:59.08 | Dagmar | Screw going back to MBR. |
| 15:59.49 | Dagmar | I had a bit of a row last week with desktop support here because when I transferred departments, they gave me a new laptop, UEFI-capable as hell, and installed Win7-64bit with fucking *partitions* |
| 16:00.01 | Dagmar | I had to reinstall the entire goddamn thing correctly. |
| 16:00.31 | jleclanche | Dagmar, Arrowmaster: either of you know a tracker where I can find actual ISOs of dvds for various series? |
| 16:00.48 | Dagmar | Nope. Nothing other than TPB. |
| 16:01.15 | Dagmar | I generally just convert everything to individual h.264 files and call it a day |
| 16:02.11 | Dagmar | Follow the format 'SeriesName S##E## EpisodeName.xxx' and there's shitloads of programs that will scan the entire collection and organize it logical, grab fanart, etc etc |
| 16:03.33 | jleclanche | yeah |
| 16:03.39 | jleclanche | but in this case im looking specifically for the isos |
| 16:04.44 | nevcairiel | untouched isos may be hard to find |
| 16:04.59 | Dagmar | Rather. |
| 16:05.26 | Dagmar | I'd surmise they're a thing you generally wouldn't want because there's very few DVDs out there where they didn't do *something* to try to fuck over people ripping their own media |
| 16:06.10 | jleclanche | maybe |
| 16:06.12 | Dagmar | I generally expect to spend at least a couple hours unfuxoring most things |
| 16:06.57 | Dagmar | The BBC seems thankfully immune to this insanity. Everyone else has the idea that they're not doing their jobs if they don't at least do something fucking knackered with subtitles |
| 16:07.12 | jleclanche | im trying to find HIMYM Season 1 & 2 in dvd format. i could buy it here but theres no way to send it to greece without paying its price three times |
| 16:07.15 | jleclanche | which is stupid |
| 16:07.41 | nevcairiel | buy here and rip yourself? :p |
| 16:07.50 | jleclanche | i have shitty upload =( |
| 16:08.26 | jleclanche | I cant find proper hd torrents of it which is surprising since its such a popular series |
| 16:08.28 | Dagmar | HOw much does it cost to ship a DVD to Greece? |
| 16:08.38 | Dagmar | I'd have thought standard mail would do it for like $10-15 |
| 16:08.54 | nevcairiel | maybe the first few seasons arent filmed in HD |
| 16:09.01 | nevcairiel | its old enough for that to be the case |
| 16:09.15 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: they were aired in hd |
| 16:09.22 | jleclanche | i mean |
| 16:09.37 | jleclanche | i did find a hd rip of it the but the sound is atrocious |
| 16:09.58 | jleclanche | I dunno. i wanted to see the dvd quality, hence looking for the untouched isos |
| 16:10.46 | jleclanche | Dagmar: theres another problem with buying the physical media |
| 16:10.51 | jleclanche | id have to buy a dvd reader. |
| 16:10.58 | jleclanche | fuck i hate physical media. |
| 16:11.37 | Dagmar | *blinkblink* |
| 16:12.03 | jleclanche | what? :p |
| 16:12.12 | Dagmar | Okay, I thought I was being a little hipster in calling SDcards 'the modern floppy disk' but I've got like nine or ten optical readers in my apartment, most of which read DVDs |
| 16:12.47 | jleclanche | this is my cd tray: http://thisonegrandlife.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/it-crowd-s01-e04-scap6.jpg |
| 16:12.47 | TC-Work | I have one, and only because I thought I would use it....which I don't. |
| 16:12.52 | Dagmar | I'm only sort of considering standardizing on installing multislot flash-media readers instead of optical disks on my new machines |
| 16:13.46 | Dagmar | Bite the bullet, man. You can get a lightscribe-capable DL burner now for like $20 |
| 16:14.27 | jleclanche | i would have to set it up |
| 16:14.32 | jleclanche | that involves efforts |
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| 16:14.47 | jleclanche | and most likely unplugging one of my internal hard disks |
| 16:14.49 | TC-Work | get a usb one then |
| 16:15.01 | jleclanche | decent idea |
| 16:15.07 | jleclanche | i dont know how well that'd work with linux) |
| 16:15.22 | Dagmar | It will. |
| 16:15.24 | TC-Work | should be fine on anything modern |
| 16:15.34 | jleclanche | either way |
| 16:15.38 | Dagmar | 1. They're cheap. 2. They're common as fuck. |
| 16:15.38 | jleclanche | still involves effort |
| 16:16.04 | Dagmar | 3. They've been around for 5+ years already. This means the Linux driver support is already starting to look dusts-covered. |
| 16:16.22 | jleclanche | besides im thinking about cleaning up some more of my series |
| 16:16.28 | Wobin | for an effort free solution, just get a new computer made with the appropriate drives =) |
| 16:16.47 | jleclanche | i have about 110 gig a month unused with my isp which i feel really guilty about |
| 16:16.52 | jleclanche | the smallest unit i can buy is 150 gig |
| 16:16.54 | Dagmar | Buy one from someone on Craigslist for $50 |
| 16:17.55 | jleclanche | "Being someone that considers himself literate in the mattress industry" |
| 16:17.56 | Wobin | I considered one of those multislot flash media readers |
| 16:17.57 | jleclanche | ah, HN comments. |
| 16:18.05 | Wobin | but I'd need a CF slot |
| 16:18.26 | Wobin | and really, my external reader/HDD is a better deal |
| 16:18.39 | jleclanche | Dagmar: anyway, ill probably need to find myself a decent private tracker again |
| 16:19.09 | Dagmar | ...or poke around and see which of your otaky friends has something called 'plex' |
| 16:19.32 | jleclanche | whats a "friends" |
| 16:19.58 | Dagmar | Generally people you trust not to roll on you to the feds |
| 16:20.01 | Wobin | oh hey, those are those newfangled phones, right? |
| 16:20.31 | Dagmar | No, although there's a Plex app for phones. |
| 16:20.46 | jleclanche | ive never been a big fan of media centers |
| 16:20.56 | jleclanche | i love the concept but i somehow prefer good old filesystems for the job |
| 16:20.59 | Dagmar | Plex appears to be eventually heading towards a *massive* lawsuit, just because they're letting people do what they're generally going to, easily. |
| 16:21.24 | Dagmar | I have a friend who has, well, let's just say he has a media collection 'problem'. |
| 16:21.37 | Dagmar | We're mutual friends in 'Plex'. |
| 16:21.50 | Wobin | a "friend" eh? =) |
| 16:22.01 | Dagmar | Between him and about five other guys, my little stickputer has access to about 19Tb of media |
| 16:22.11 | Dagmar | 6 of that is mine |
| 16:22.31 | Wobin | That's honestly more media than I have time in the rest of my life to watch. |
| 16:22.36 | nevcairiel | i have like 17tb alone, i wouldnt call that a media collection problem =P |
| 16:22.40 | Dagmar | Basically, you can stream the stufff your friends have stashed |
| 16:24.26 | jleclanche | Dagmar: see i like that concept a lot |
| 16:24.32 | jleclanche | if it can be decentralized that is |
| 16:24.40 | jleclanche | and the problem with that is the same: i have a shitty upload |
| 16:24.57 | Wobin | oh yeah, bane of my existence =( |
| 16:25.06 | karl_w_w | yeah, what the hell kind of utopia do you live in where you and your friends all have enough upload for that :P |
| 16:25.10 | Wobin | goddamn backward AU internets |
| 16:25.18 | karl_w_w | thanks tony |
| 16:25.18 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: well back in leicester i had enough |
| 16:25.21 | jleclanche | like 20 mbit upload |
| 16:25.28 | Wobin | thanks a fucking load, Mr Rabbit |
| 16:25.31 | jleclanche | but here, what the fuck |
| 16:25.45 | jleclanche | the owners of the lot build a huge complex of appartments |
| 16:26.00 | jleclanche | like £150m worth |
| 16:26.15 | jleclanche | but when it comes to paying 20k for getting fiber here |
| 16:26.17 | jleclanche | oh no. |
| 16:26.36 | jleclanche | i literally have fiber if i walk to the next block |
| 16:27.07 | jleclanche | i should strike a deal with one of the owners there, get them a virgin line and set up radio for the next 100m or so |
| 16:27.49 | Wobin | Fibre To The Neighbour |
| 16:27.51 | karl_w_w | do you have line of sight to one of them |
| 16:28.06 | jleclanche | nah thats the problem |
| 16:28.08 | Wobin | IT's always that last 10m =P |
| 16:28.10 | jleclanche | the whole complex is weird |
| 16:28.24 | jleclanche | my house is back to back to another that would have LOS with them |
| 16:28.50 | Wobin | jleclanche: See if you can convince the backing house to drill a fist sized tunnel to LOS =) |
| 16:28.51 | jleclanche | anyway id bother if i planned to stay long in cambridge but i might be gone in 5 months so cba. |
| 16:29.08 | jleclanche | yeah no, the owners would never go for that =/ |
| 16:30.31 | jleclanche | i really hate that A&A (my isp) doesn't get rent virgin lines. they only rent copper lines |
| 16:30.54 | karl_w_w | well at least whatever you have beats our fibre-to-the-carrier-pigeon plan we have here |
| 16:31.10 | Wobin | cries softly |
| 16:31.14 | jleclanche | Meh |
| 16:31.40 | jleclanche | I have to choose between one of the best ISPs in the world on a shitty line, or a fantastic lines with a censored internet |
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| 16:32.09 | jleclanche | come to think of it |
| 16:32.16 | jleclanche | i forgot AA does line bonding |
| 16:32.34 | karl_w_w | I have to choose between one of the shittest ISPs in the world on a shitty line, or pissing into the wind |
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| 16:33.24 | Wobin | pissing into the wind would be better |
| 16:33.29 | Wobin | if you're upwind of Tony |
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| 16:34.42 | jleclanche | hmm |
| 16:34.54 | jleclanche | i need a default message for the commits |
| 16:35.23 | jleclanche | but at the same time i need to avoid having to parse that message to avoid displaying it when its empty |
| 16:35.56 | Wobin | "This commit message intentionally left blank" |
| 16:36.26 | jleclanche | lol |
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| 16:51.25 | Ressy | Anyone know how to get the wild pet level to show up on the zone maps? Its default with 5.1, but for some reason a reset of addons didn't fix it for a friend |
| 16:51.46 | Aeger73 | turn on pet tracking |
| 16:51.51 | Aeger73 | in minmap |
| 16:52.17 | Shirik | 2TB SSD for $129 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178380&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL121313&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL121313-_-EMC-121313-Index-_-InternalHardDrives-_-22178380-L0B |
| 16:52.32 | Ressy | Aeger73: THANK YOU! |
| 16:52.42 | Aeger73 | np glad to help |
| 16:53.37 | Neffi | Shirik: that's not an SSD |
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| 16:55.17 | Stanzilla | bad Shirik |
| 16:55.28 | Aeger73 | its a hybrid drive |
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| 17:01.41 | Shirik | what |
| 17:01.43 | Shirik | it said ssd |
| 17:01.56 | Shirik | omg it's a hybrid |
| 17:01.57 | Shirik | fail |
| 17:02.02 | nevcairiel | it says SSHD |
| 17:02.04 | nevcairiel | l2read |
| 17:02.27 | Shirik | too many letters |
| 17:02.30 | Shirik | I skipped over the H |
| 17:02.46 | nevcairiel | it even looks like a traditional hdd |
| 17:02.52 | nevcairiel | you really need to pay more attention |
| 17:03.00 | Shirik | I was wondering about that one :P |
| 17:03.07 | Shirik | but I figured maybe it's cheaper to use a larger chip |
| 17:04.11 | foxlit | also cheaper: faster cars, bigger houses and free cheese. |
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| 17:10.07 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: I should have done this when i moved in. after three switchboards, i finally got through to someone with the authority to greenlight fiber installation in the block |
| 17:10.24 | jleclanche | monday morning ill be able to schedule that |
| 17:10.31 | jleclanche | hopefully ill have fiber in january. |
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| 17:17.57 | Shirik | so |
| 17:18.29 | Shirik | TIL a friend of mine for the past 2 years was actually on my raid team like 6 years ago |
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| 17:20.19 | Lopeppeppy | How has it taken you 2 years to figure that out, Shirik? |
| 17:20.26 | Shirik | it came up randomly |
| 17:20.37 | Shirik | he mentioned some addon author and I was like "hold up how do you know him" |
| 17:22.32 | Lopeppeppy | "I'll eat her later." < I need to watch Shadow of the Vampire again soon. |
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| 17:28.19 | Stanzilla | Shirik: who was it |
| 17:28.27 | Stanzilla | (the author) |
| 17:29.59 | Fisker | The cats are really mean to you? |
| 17:31.22 | Lopeppeppy | I threaten to trade them for penguins a lot, Fisker, or make them into slippers. |
| 17:31.31 | Fisker | damn |
| 17:31.37 | Fisker | I heard penguins can b e real jerks too |
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| 17:35.17 | Shirik | Stanzilla: Well we were talking about Venificus |
| 17:35.35 | Shirik | I'm not sure how well he wasl known outside of our server. |
| 17:35.54 | Stanzilla | never heard of it |
| 17:37.42 | Shirik | it? |
| 17:37.45 | Shirik | he's a person |
| 17:37.53 | Shirik | he came up with RDX |
| 17:37.57 | Stanzilla | he/she/it :D |
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| 17:46.34 | Esamynn|work | shkle |
| 17:50.08 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, RDX! |
| 17:51.29 | nevcairiel | wasnt that an evil addon with monetary interests |
| 17:54.28 | jleclanche | hehehee. |
| 17:54.54 | jleclanche | git is a treasure to work with at a low level once you get past the initial wtf |
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| 17:57.15 | Unkle | Station. |
| 17:57.51 | Esamynn|work | jleclanche: WTB good GUI for git |
| 17:58.03 | jleclanche | what do you need a git gui for? |
| 17:58.06 | jleclanche | committing? |
| 17:58.07 | nevcairiel | guis are overrated |
| 17:58.19 | nevcairiel | people kept recommending me SmartGit, tried it once, hated it :p |
| 17:58.24 | Esamynn|work | certain operations are just easier with a GUI |
| 17:58.28 | Lopeppeppy | UNKLE! |
| 17:58.32 | jleclanche | you're not saying which operations |
| 17:58.44 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy! |
| 17:58.44 | Esamynn|work | diffing files... for one |
| 17:59.02 | jleclanche | tig (curses), qgit |
| 17:59.13 | nevcairiel | i use qgit for diffing and browsing history |
| 17:59.23 | nevcairiel | but i never use it for anything else |
| 17:59.27 | Ermad | if you are on a mac, Gitbox is really good GUI for git |
| 17:59.35 | alestane | NORA! |
| 17:59.40 | jleclanche | either way |
| 17:59.43 | jleclanche | heres a good gui |
| 17:59.46 | jleclanche | https://github.com |
| 18:00.07 | Esamynn|work | don't get me wrong, I'm a strong supporter of the command line. I just don't believe it's the be all and end all |
| 18:00.08 | nevcairiel | yeah i tend to use a web gui for those tasks more often then a client these days |
| 18:00.44 | Esamynn|work | and if I don't want to deal with github? |
| 18:02.09 | Unkle | So my friend's movie 'Hours' comes out today in limited theatrical release (15 US cities) and on Video on Demand (iTunes, Amazon, etc.) - I'm all sort of excited on his behalf. |
| 18:02.37 | Neffi | I'm excited on your behalf, for being excited on his behalf |
| 18:02.39 | jleclanche | Esamynn|work: http://gitlab.org/ |
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| 18:06.17 | Esamynn|work | oh great, another web gui |
| 18:06.18 | Esamynn|work | bleck |
| 18:06.47 | jleclanche | Esamynn|work: ive given you two non-web alternatives |
| 18:06.49 | nevcairiel | ew it uses RoR |
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| 18:07.00 | jleclanche | yeah well |
| 18:07.07 | jleclanche | ruby has the best git bindings |
| 18:07.12 | pb_ee1 | Agreed |
| 18:07.17 | nevcairiel | isnt git natively perl based |
| 18:07.20 | Esamynn|work | are any of them actually GOOD? |
| 18:07.27 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: git has some perl-based commands |
| 18:07.30 | jleclanche | but most of it is in c |
| 18:07.34 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 18:07.41 | jleclanche | Esamynn|work: both gitlab and github are really good web uis |
| 18:07.51 | Esamynn|work | given that it was originally created by a C developer... |
| 18:07.58 | nevcairiel | github has been trying to be too much ajax-y, it breaks some things |
| 18:09.24 | Esamynn|work | jleclanche: a web gui is not a good solution for client side operations |
| 18:09.40 | jleclanche | Esamynn|work: ive given you two non-web alternatives |
| 18:10.05 | Esamynn|work | feels like we're going in circles |
| 18:10.34 | Esamynn|work | as, I will admit, is often the case when I engage in discussions about git |
| 18:11.02 | jleclanche | Esamynn|work: I cant make good guis appear out of thin air; there are excellent web uis |
| 18:11.03 | nevcairiel | while web things obviously dont work locally well, i actually setup a git web thing on a local server just to push stuff there to browse it in the browser :/ |
| 18:11.20 | jleclanche | if your question on "are any of them actually good" was related to guis... it depends on what you want to do with them |
| 18:11.32 | jleclanche | tig is awesome for browsing the history for example |
| 18:11.55 | jleclanche | qgit is also very good at that (diffs etc) |
| 18:12.12 | jleclanche | but if what you want is filemanager integration, you want tortoisegit |
| 18:12.40 | Esamynn|work | git has some great concepts and some neat features, but I've yet to be convinced it is worth giving up my current tool set for, and one of the primary obstacles to that has been the lack of any sort of decent GUI |
| 18:12.57 | jleclanche | you ask the wrong questions. |
| 18:12.57 | jleclanche | what is your toolset and what do you achieve with it |
| 18:14.50 | nevcairiel | some people like tortoisegit, some people like smartgit, some people use github for windows, on mac i hear towergit is nice |
| 18:15.00 | nevcairiel | thats about all i know about the full features guids |
| 18:15.02 | nevcairiel | guis* |
| 18:15.15 | Esamynn|work | I may have to look at tortoisegit again. the last time I did it just wasn't up to snuff |
| 18:15.24 | jleclanche | Esamynn|work: what is your toolset and what do you achieve with it |
| 18:16.28 | Aeger73 | i use the windows github gui. for the most part it works but sometimes it gets all screwy and says things are not commited and gets in a endless loop of stupidness till i delete everything and start over |
| 18:16.35 | Esamynn|work | depends on what I'm doing, to date, I've mostly used either Subversion or Perforce and I often go back and forth between the GUI and the command line. all depends on which is best for the specific task I'm trying to achomplish |
| 18:17.06 | jleclanche | Esamynn|work: you just summed up perfectly why i asked you that question |
| 18:17.11 | Esamynn|work | Aeger73: yes, because I want to deal with a VCS tool that sometime "gets all screwy" :P |
| 18:17.13 | jleclanche | different tasks have different preferable UIs |
| 18:17.20 | jleclanche | git is a *fantastic* backend |
| 18:17.25 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 18:17.29 | jleclanche | its command line interface is pretty good |
| 18:17.41 | Esamynn|work | it's the front end tool set which is still rather limited, as far as I can tell |
| 18:17.43 | jleclanche | it has other alternative command line UIs that are also good (tig) |
| 18:17.51 | jleclanche | its web UIs are amazing |
| 18:17.59 | jleclanche | and it has somewhat good GUIs |
| 18:18.09 | jleclanche | so there you have it |
| 18:19.21 | Esamynn|work | well, I'm going to have to actually figure out how to work with git in order to work on some Drupal module stuff, as well as here at work. So I'll learn first hand the state of things soonish |
| 18:19.36 | Esamynn|work | until now, I've just been sort of keeping an eye on it |
| 18:19.58 | jleclanche | theres a reason its been a clear winner amongst developers |
| 18:20.01 | TC-Work | Esamynn|work: How good are you with Perforce? |
| 18:20.03 | jleclanche | it is really great to work with |
| 18:20.16 | jleclanche | the alternatives are not even sort of good |
| 18:20.18 | Esamynn|work | TC-Work: expert |
| 18:20.52 | Aeger73 | are there any git repositories you can host yourself? I havent spent much time looking into it |
| 18:20.58 | jleclanche | what? |
| 18:21.09 | Esamynn|work | Aeger73: that question doesn't actually make sense |
| 18:21.13 | jleclanche | git is decentralized, every copy is a clone of a repository |
| 18:21.17 | TC-Work | Esamynn|work: Oh good. What is the best way to have a local depot while also having the local depot updated from a remote perforce server. |
| 18:21.34 | TC-Work | but nothing from the local should ever go to the remote |
| 18:21.41 | jleclanche | Aeger73: or did you mean git web uis? |
| 18:21.49 | jleclanche | Aeger73: in that case; yes, gitlab is one of them |
| 18:21.57 | jleclanche | theres some others but afaik gitlab is the best one |
| 18:21.57 | Aeger73 | i meant web |
| 18:22.11 | jleclanche | gitlab.org |
| 18:22.21 | Esamynn|work | TC-Work: unfortunately, you've hit on one of the few Perforce features I've never actually used :( |
| 18:22.50 | TC-Work | Esamynn|work: Figures, not only am I trying to configure it I have a meeting about it in 30 min >.> |
| 18:23.18 | jleclanche | #perforce? |
| 18:23.37 | bleeter | one for the OSX+Safari users https://www.securelist.com/en/blog/8168/Loophole_in_Safari |
| 18:23.39 | jleclanche | pb_ee1: http://p1.portal2sounds.com/72 |
| 18:24.30 | Esamynn|work | TC-Work: good luck |
| 18:24.33 | bleeter | (tl;dr) - your browser, when set to do it's restore session thing, saves it's data (inc passwords etc.) in cleartext |
| 18:24.49 | bleeter | "Safari, however, doesn’t encrypt previous sessions and stores them in a standard plist file that is freely accessible. " |
| 18:25.10 | bleeter | advise take defensive action yadda yadda |
| 18:25.37 | Esamynn|work | facepalms |
| 18:28.11 | Primer | its* (on both counts) |
| 18:28.28 | jleclanche | git notes are AWESOME |
| 18:28.39 | bleeter | Primer: I thought you would've worked out by now I've got a randomizer script set to annoy people like you :P |
| 18:28.52 | Primer | bleeter: I wrote such a script |
| 18:29.15 | Primer | it capitalizes the last letter of every word I write |
| 18:29.40 | Primer | when I told people about it, they didn't think it would be annoying, but then I turned it on |
| 18:29.50 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 18:29.59 | jleclanche | http://dpaste.com/1503674/ |
| 18:30.02 | Primer | and people were surprised at how annoying it was |
| 18:30.09 | jleclanche | this is what im talking about |
| 18:30.44 | bleeter | Primer: haha win!! :) |
| 18:31.03 | bleeter | Primer: the dumbest/most annoying thing I've ever written was https://bitbucket.org/rekkanoryo/purple-plugin-pack/src/9772a72ba71025f6044ea79326f0ea42e6ee03b6/gRIM/gRIM.c?at=default |
| 18:31.15 | Primer | I'm using pidgin today, otherwise I'd load it up (it's for xchat and irssi) |
| 18:31.40 | Primer | http://ceregatti.org/download.old/code/y.pl |
| 18:31.44 | Primer | in you're curious |
| 18:31.49 | bleeter | actually, that's a very dumbed down version of the original code |
| 18:32.11 | bleeter | *originally* it's scan people's IM statuses for people who change it to match whatever song they're listening to |
| 18:32.27 | bleeter | haha that's a typo "it'd" |
| 18:32.43 | bleeter | anyways, when it'd see a song name it'd grab the lyrics and IM spam people with the text \o/ |
| 18:32.57 | bleeter | but that's kinda severely unethical so I never released that branch |
| 18:33.03 | Esamynn|work | rofl |
| 18:33.26 | Lopeppeppy | Evil. But awesome. |
| 18:34.06 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 18:34.30 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: that's the motto I think most Pidgin hackers live by hence our reputation for being arseholes ;) |
| 18:34.56 | Lopeppeppy | I got it from The Lion King. "Slimy, yet satisfying." |
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| 18:35.30 | Unkle | Every thing's gas with you, Pumba |
| 18:37.46 | bleeter | for the space watchers, Chang'e 3 will be landing a few hours earlier than expected http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2013/12130915-change-3-landing-tomorrow.html |
| 18:45.24 | Dagmar | Umm... |
| 18:46.05 | Dagmar | Typically these sorts of things are very precise. Like, calculated down to the minute, because there's very little room for signficant course changes once something leaves our atmosphere |
| 18:46.24 | Dagmar | Landing a few hours early sounds more like something's about to go very wrong. |
| 18:47.13 | Dagmar | *whew* at least it's unmanned |
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| 18:54.05 | bleeter | Dagmar: or they had a bunch of windows, originally chose the 'middle' one but have decided they can go 'early' because everything's reporting in at 100% instead of, say, 99.5% |
| 18:54.25 | Dagmar | Let's hope so, but at least there's no people on it. |
| 18:54.49 | bleeter | I put their chances at success at a much greater level than, say, North Korea ;) |
| 18:54.55 | Dagmar | Keep in mind that the government who is the Puller Of Strings in this case has a long-standing history of ignoring reality and expecting it to catch up later. |
| 18:55.27 | bleeter | Dagmar: true, otoh keed in mind that they're pretty much on target to their plan that was announced early 1990's |
| 18:55.45 | Dagmar | THis is true. They've had enough time to work on it. |
| 18:56.04 | Dagmar | They could have just stacks and piles of contigency plans. |
| 18:56.34 | Dagmar | It's also possible they want it to land early to avoid the morning news having another discussion about why visibility is at 20 feet and dropping |
| 18:59.00 | bleeter | As a Planetary Society member I should probably flog this post, too ;) http://www.planetary.org/blogs/casey-dreier/2013/1212-europa-no-longer-a-should-but-a-must.html |
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| 19:01.24 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet. I'm on the edge of the 4-8 inch and 6-12 inch snow bands for tomorrow's storm. I think I should buy a freezer pizza on the way home from work. :) |
| 19:01.33 | Dagmar | We were warned off from that place. |
| 19:01.42 | Dagmar | Rather clearly and multiple times, I might add. |
| 19:03.09 | bleeter | Dagmar: we were told not to land. flying through the ejected atmosphere doesn't seem to me to violate the order |
| 19:03.26 | Dagmar | by the way, we can add to the list of reasons to be thankful for the NSA the fact that their antics have caused Charles Stross to cancel his third book in the Halting State series. |
| 19:03.32 | Dagmar | Fuckers. |
| 19:03.59 | Lopeppeppy | NSA hates Stross? *confused* |
| 19:04.11 | Dagmar | bleeter: You say this, and forget this is the same group of people who brought us the Interplantary Lawn Darts to Mars mission |
| 19:04.35 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: No, the shit they were up to was actually what he was using in the book |
| 19:04.50 | Dagmar | ...and near-future fiction is no good when someone's already gone and done all that. |
| 19:04.55 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, so he needs a new plot. |
| 19:05.03 | Dagmar | Yeah basically |
| 19:05.35 | bleeter | Dagmar: you rate that higher than the nudie selfies on Voyager? |
| 19:05.58 | bleeter | ok, technically PS didn't exist then but it's the same group of hippie commie nerds ;) |
| 19:05.58 | Dagmar | I look at those not selfies so much as a menu |
| 19:06.03 | bleeter | heh |
| 19:07.11 | Dagmar | "When you get here, this is what the dominant and most delicious life form looks like." |
| 19:09.09 | jleclanche | NO. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/media/jv0qu3i1gw0l4r/source/Banu3.jpg |
| 19:09.13 | jleclanche | WHY a jpeg |
| 19:09.21 | jleclanche | this is fantastically high res |
| 19:09.28 | jleclanche | and its saved at a crappy quality |
| 19:10.19 | Dagmar | because it's paint |
| 19:14.13 | fewyn | QQ |
| 19:15.17 | bleeter | oh my lawl http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2013/12/facebook_self_censorship_what_happens_to_the_posts_you_don_t_publish.html |
| 19:17.05 | bleeter | cue a bunch of people losing their shit |
| 19:18.05 | Esamynn|work | why does this not surprise me? |
| 19:18.50 | bleeter | Esamynn|work: because you actually, as opposed to allegedly, have at least one brain cell? |
| 19:18.59 | bleeter | or were you being rhetorical? |
| 19:19.16 | Esamynn|work | mostly rhetorical :P |
| 19:19.20 | bleeter | :P |
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| 20:40.52 | Torhal | Ackis: In case you haven't seen - http://www.gog.com/promo/fallout_series_giveaway_winter_promo_2013 |
| 21:09.18 | Arrowmaster | so im on the phone trying to get my healthcare.gov account fixed and they are having trouble finding my account |
| 21:09.57 | Dagmar | Are you in Oregon? |
| 21:10.02 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 21:10.09 | Dagmar | Well, you've got that in your favor then |
| 21:10.25 | Dagmar | They decided to set up their own market and apparently only 44 people signed up. |
| 21:10.28 | Dagmar | I find that hard to believe. |
| 21:10.51 | Arrowmaster | for a few weeks i couldnt even login to healthcare.gov, the login button would do nothing |
| 21:11.32 | Arrowmaster | now i can login but when i get to the point of verifying my identity it says and unexpected error occurred and to logout, wait 30 minutes, and try again |
| 21:13.50 | bleeter | oh new zealand :-/ http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11172303 |
| 21:13.50 | Dagmar | I blame the republicans |
| 21:14.04 | bleeter | "his equipment was confiscated because of a website accessed from a shared internet connection at a student flat in 2007." |
| 21:14.10 | bleeter | .... |
| 21:15.00 | Dagmar | If I were him, I'd send all of that equipment back for warranty replacement |
| 21:15.16 | Dagmar | ...or just throw it out. It's compromised. |
| 21:16.35 | Primer | with bad bios? |
| 21:16.53 | Primer | http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/meet-badbios-the-mysterious-mac-and-pc-malware-that-jumps-airgaps/ in case you didn't catch the reference |
| 21:16.59 | Primer | I call bullshit on that, btw |
| 21:17.06 | Dagmar | BadBios is definitely bullshit |
| 21:17.14 | Mr_Rabies | pretty sure it was determined to be entirely bullshit eventually |
| 21:17.21 | bleeter | Primer: replaced FW on his [H|S]DD, yes |
| 21:17.23 | Dagmar | ...but I wouldn't trust any equipment of mine that was taken out of my sight by government agents |
| 21:17.38 | bleeter | well if I were 'them' I'd be doing that on any and every thing I could =) |
| 21:17.46 | Dagmar | ...not considering who some of my friends are. |
| 21:17.49 | Mr_Rabies | we got a customer at the computer shop once that about drained all the blood from my body |
| 21:17.53 | bleeter | hacked drive firmware is seriously bad mojo |
| 21:18.11 | Primer | I really have to wonder how they can compel him to give up his password though |
| 21:18.14 | Mr_Rabies | he was the guy at the RIAA responsible for a ton of the lawsuits against individuals |
| 21:18.23 | Primer | unless NZ doesn't have laws against self-incrimination |
| 21:18.40 | Dagmar | I wind up handling extra-legal and highly-sensitive shit a few times a year, because I'm known to be a paranoid motherfucker |
| 21:18.43 | bleeter | Primer: 'Give us your password or those police there (points) will arrest you once you leave Customs Area' |
| 21:18.56 | Primer | "go ahead" |
| 21:19.04 | Mr_Rabies | the shop does everything 100% legit, not to say the employees there do necessarily :p |
| 21:19.27 | bleeter | Primer: that depends what kinda mood one's in when they try it out, I guess |
| 21:19.34 | Primer | argh, so this cheapo AP I bought seems to be crashing every few days |
| 21:19.37 | Mr_Rabies | that guy's laptop went into a drawer and then was covered in shipping foam as soon as testing was complete on it |
| 21:19.39 | bleeter | and what you know you've got on you, etc. |
| 21:19.55 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: No quotes around "shipping foam"? |
| 21:19.58 | Dagmar | I'm disappointed |
| 21:19.59 | bleeter | if you know you have squat, just hand it over then get out and tell the media. which is pretty much (more or less) what this guy did |
| 21:19.59 | Primer | bleeter: NZ laws are the unknown factor here, in my case |
| 21:20.14 | Mr_Rabies | i mean the RIAA guy that checked his pc into our shop, Dagmar |
| 21:20.14 | Dagmar | No one's taking my fucking passwrods |
| 21:20.19 | bleeter | Primer: they tightened them way up after the dotcom raid got called illegal |
| 21:20.23 | Dagmar | If it's serious enough shit, they can brute force it, and fuck them for asking |
| 21:20.27 | Fisker | hugtackles Lopeppeppy |
| 21:20.41 | Lopeppeppy | You have a good weekend, Fisker-boo. |
| 21:20.53 | Primer | I would tell them to go fuck themselves regardless of the content |
| 21:20.54 | Fisker | you too |
| 21:20.57 | bleeter | Primer: they were pretty arse to start with, they just removed a bunch of stuff restraining them blah |
| 21:20.59 | Fisker | :) |
| 21:20.59 | Primer | as a matter of principle |
| 21:21.07 | Dagmar | Primer++ |
| 21:28.30 | znf | so, I need a "cloud storage" that gives 20-25GB for free, is not dropbox and has a linux client. Oh, and file size limit can be under 200MB. Ideas? |
| 21:30.14 | bleeter | owncloud and you have as much free storage as you can handle :P |
| 21:31.08 | bleeter | or, an owncloud provider that offers free stuff dunno if there are any that suit your situation tho http://owncloud.org/providers/ |
| 21:31.24 | znf | I don't exactly have much storage space available. Oh, well, I do, actually, I just don't have it spread around as many locations as I would like :P |
| 21:31.48 | znf | My SkyDrive is 25gb, but no actual linux client :-/ |
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| 21:34.05 | bleeter | mate has an owncloud setup running off his RPi |
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| 21:50.32 | Arrowmaster | ok finally got thought the application over the phone and was told how much tax credits i qualify for but the site still doesnt work |
| 21:50.59 | Arrowmaster | was told to give it 24 hours to let the systems sync and try again |
| 21:53.07 | Arrowmaster | and i quality for $148 of tax credits for insurance coverage per month, if that hints to how little i make |
| 21:53.36 | znf | no idea what that is? |
| 21:53.47 | znf | is that some americanism thing which doesn't make sense to half the world? :P |
| 21:53.52 | Ironi | y |
| 21:53.53 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 21:54.33 | Arrowmaster | the government is going to reduce my 2014 taxes by $148 per month if i get insurance |
| 21:54.34 | znf | hmmm, $148, well, that's 1/3 of what my salary used to be, so meh... |
| 22:13.09 | kd3|hate`net | whee, got my 'lump of coal' |
| 22:14.19 | TC-Work | http://clusterfuckgame.com/ |
| 22:14.27 | kd3 | is that today's? |
| 22:14.27 | TC-Work | Day 4 ^ |
| 22:14.33 | kd3 | ah |
| 22:14.42 | TC-Work | Day 3 is an interfaith circle jerk |
| 22:15.17 | TC-Work | I hope I have my coal when I get home |
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| 22:33.20 | Arrowmaster | kd3: i still only have coal |
| 22:33.37 | kd3 | that's all I've gotten too... my coal just made it today though |
| 22:34.19 | TC-Work | The rest are not physical things |
| 22:34.21 | TC-Work | they are videos |
| 22:34.34 | TC-Work | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoTjLKoNsF4 And that one is rather good |
| 22:34.52 | TC-Work | Or rather the other 3 |
| 22:36.42 | VIad | I wonder what api changes will be introduced in 6.x |
| 22:37.26 | znf | they're introducing BreakEverything() |
| 22:37.31 | VIad | :P |
| 22:37.38 | znf | automatically runs whenever you call any api of theirs |
| 22:37.57 | VIad | I hope they make the taint log even better by blaming all non-Blizzard addons for the taint. |
| 22:38.07 | Unkle | Its returns are Fuck, You, Ha, Ha |
| 22:38.33 | VIad | I really hope they redo the world map |
| 22:38.40 | VIad | and watch frame |
| 22:38.50 | VIad | and the pvp related frames |
| 22:39.01 | VIad | so they can be moddable to a certain degree without breaking everything |
| 22:39.10 | VIad | oh, and the raid frames/manager |
| 22:40.07 | Mr_Rabies | i really hope the auction house and crafting interfaces are redone, myself |
| 22:40.23 | Dagmar | Client will randomly redefine 1 as 0 for great lulz |
| 22:40.25 | Mr_Rabies | both are practically unusable at the moment |
| 22:40.40 | VIad | there are certainly api that are quite old and outdated |
| 22:41.00 | Mr_Rabies | i think the whole 3 panel system needs redone from scratch, to be honest |
| 22:42.34 | Neffi | I wonder if I should salvage my old ass "Windex" addon that I never even got half done |
| 22:42.58 | Neffi | Implements windowing for all the game panels |
| 22:43.27 | Mr_Rabies | it's so hard to find anything to craft nowdays in that tiny-ass window |
| 22:43.38 | Mr_Rabies | even searching hardly works when things are named weird like enchants |
| 22:44.08 | Mr_Rabies | there are so many addons i'd make if i had any skill in the craft |
| 22:44.19 | Neffi | Yeah, I was going to redo all the windows. Everything would be resizable and the contents would reflow correctly. I was also gonna do optional modules that totally reimplemented all the default windows, as much better reimplementations. |
| 22:44.22 | Mr_Rabies | i've got a ton of great ideas but absolutely no skill at implementing them |
| 22:44.27 | Neffi | Freely move, stack, resize, position, anchor, etc |
| 22:44.38 | Neffi | It seems I deleted the code though, and probably a long time ago |
| 22:45.05 | Mr_Rabies | seems like most of the addon community has left though :/ |
| 22:45.15 | Neffi | Arguable |
| 22:45.24 | Neffi | It's smaller than it once was, but it's still a pretty large community |
| 22:45.26 | Mr_Rabies | it's pretty much just normal to have a heavily tainted ui now, so many abandoned addons |
| 22:45.32 | Mr_Rabies | with no alternatives |
| 22:46.23 | Neffi | WoW is going down in popularity, no? |
| 22:46.49 | Neffi | I mean, I havent seen them publish any statistics, but I really doubt the working population is still at ~10mill |
| 22:46.53 | Stanzilla | 23:45:06 ∙ Mr_Rabies: seems like most of the addon community has left though :/ <- less good people more noobs |
| 22:47.20 | Semlar | :l |
| 22:47.21 | Stanzilla | Neffi: 7.6m |
| 22:47.31 | Neffi | that's not too bad |
| 22:47.37 | Neffi | Does that include trial accounts? |
| 22:47.41 | Stanzilla | half of that are chinese and bots |
| 22:48.11 | Neffi | Being Chinese doesn't make you a useless statistic, you know |
| 22:48.26 | Neffi | Being a bot/farmer does though, so I wonder what the working count is |
| 22:48.36 | Semlar | look all he's saying is that some races are worth more than others |
| 22:49.15 | Neffi | Semlar: that's not politically correct. God-damn pandaren. |
| 22:50.21 | Neffi | I am curious what's gonna happen 4 years from now. 5, 6? I wonder how gracefully WoW will be discontinued. |
| 22:50.43 | Neffi | Fall into obscurity? Keep going well past its prime? Be gracefully shut down by Blizzard 2-3 years after they publish their final xpac? |
| 22:50.49 | TC-Work | If they are smart they will roll all users into a new mmo. |
| 22:51.03 | TC-Work | eg. all current subscibers get the game for free and a free month |
| 22:51.09 | foxlit | heh, did they leak gluexml events into framexml? |
| 22:51.17 | Fisker | I once leaked |
| 22:51.20 | Esamynn|work | you mean, "keep them hooked" |
| 22:51.21 | Neffi | Is Project Titan still on the table? And do they even have another WoW-like MMO on their minds? |
| 22:51.23 | foxlit | we're proud of you, Fisker. |
| 22:51.24 | TC-Work | More than once Fisker |
| 22:51.27 | Fisker | :O |
| 22:51.37 | Stanzilla | Neffi: titan is being restarted |
| 22:51.39 | Esamynn|work | still on, afaik Neffi, just rebooted |
| 22:51.48 | Neffi | That doesn't bode well |
| 22:52.08 | Stanzilla | most of the people on the project got reassigned so |
| 22:52.11 | Esamynn|work | actually, I get the feeling that sort of thing is rather normal for Blizzard |
| 22:52.15 | kd3 | not that blizz hasn't canceled games before |
| 22:52.15 | Stanzilla | it's probably just 2 guys and a chalkboard |
| 22:52.21 | Neffi | That always comes off as "okay our ideas sucked, so lets scrap it, start something new, and use the same name so it looks like we never quit" |
| 22:53.32 | Mr_Rabies | so many games are canceled pretty far into development, and blizzard has pretty high quality requirements on their games |
| 22:54.05 | Neffi | So I wonder what their next big thing really will be |
| 22:54.20 | Neffi | WoW isn't gonna last forever, D3 seems to have fizzled, ... |
| 22:54.46 | Stanzilla | depends on heroes of the storm |
| 22:55.01 | Stanzilla | how it turns out and if it will be free to play etc |
| 22:55.14 | Mr_Rabies | RoS is probably gonna bring back a lot of people to D3 |
| 22:55.20 | Stanzilla | ^that, too |
| 22:55.33 | Esamynn|work | I still hold out hope for D3, D2 had it's problems prior to the ex pac as well |
| 22:55.43 | Mr_Rabies | D3's an amazing game, and i'm totally spoiled when playing any other ARPG |
| 22:55.47 | Mr_Rabies | it's far from perfect |
| 22:56.03 | Stanzilla | d3 atm is really bad but I liked RoS so far |
| 22:56.04 | Mr_Rabies | but it does so much right that so many ARPGs do wrong just because that's how Diablo II did it |
| 22:56.22 | Mr_Rabies | like, path of exile is almost 100% making every mistake diablo II did |
| 22:56.29 | Mr_Rabies | and making further ones |
| 22:56.32 | Esamynn|work | heh |
| 22:56.41 | Mr_Rabies | like its stupid, stupid "talent" system |
| 22:56.52 | Mr_Rabies | i'll take diablo 3's any day of the week |
| 22:56.57 | Neffi | From the point of view of a virgin game developer: "but but but but d2 was soooo perfect!11!11!!!" |
| 22:56.58 | Esamynn|work | one wonders if maybe Blizz fell into the "D2 did it that way" trap somewhat themselves |
| 22:57.03 | Esamynn|work | in fact, I'm certain they did |
| 22:57.06 | Stanzilla | the thing is, many people love that kind of talent system |
| 22:57.10 | TC-Work | I dunno, I like a ton of things to choose from |
| 22:57.29 | Neffi | I agree TC-Work. I still disdain the new talent system. |
| 22:57.31 | Mr_Rabies | they're welcome to, Stanzilla |
| 22:57.36 | Esamynn|work | D3's combat is really good imo... where it falls about is the loot |
| 22:57.41 | Mr_Rabies | doesn't mean that it's any good :p |
| 22:57.50 | Neffi | (in WoW) |
| 22:58.00 | Esamynn|work | I just can't play it at the moment due to "loot fatigue" |
| 22:58.13 | Esamynn|work | I can't stand having to sort through all the crap |
| 22:58.16 | Fisker | goodnight foxlit |
| 22:58.17 | Mr_Rabies | PoE's talent system is terrible design and complicated just to look complicated so D2 aspies can feel validated when they're playing D2 with a coat of paint on it |
| 22:58.38 | Mr_Rabies | i think D3's biggest flaw is too much loot in general |
| 22:58.58 | Esamynn|work | oh, totally |
| 22:59.02 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather have it drop far less frequently but more commonly have upgrades since it's a relatively short-lived game genre in general |
| 22:59.14 | Esamynn|work | I'm really hoping they truly mean it when they say "less is more" |
| 22:59.31 | Neffi | some Charmin Ultra shit |
| 22:59.36 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 22:59.37 | Mr_Rabies | my guess was they wanted to distance it from wow itemization |
| 22:59.49 | Mr_Rabies | where harder content = guaranteed upgrade no matter what |
| 22:59.59 | Mr_Rabies | but that feels good, they've proven it for years with wow |
| 23:00.21 | Mr_Rabies | upgrades should feel like upgrades and be common enough to be a consistent reward stream |
| 23:00.40 | Esamynn|work | sounds like this is partly what paragon is meant to do |
| 23:00.55 | Mr_Rabies | but i can't even play PoE now |
| 23:01.25 | Mr_Rabies | it's got all of D2's flaws and tons more because they're a relatively new studio in an area not really known for its gaming industry with a small budget |
| 23:01.42 | Mr_Rabies | like, no respecs basically kills the game for me |
| 23:02.15 | Esamynn|work | CASUAL!!!! |
| 23:02.15 | Mr_Rabies | hell it even has most of the flaws D3 had but people don't acknowledge them because it's not the trend to hate that game |
| 23:02.44 | Mr_Rabies | like, an always on internet requirement |
| 23:02.54 | TC-Work | That again |
| 23:03.03 | Mr_Rabies | but D2 had that requirement for most people anyway |
| 23:03.04 | TC-Work | Like you don't have other games to play? |
| 23:03.18 | Neffi | TC-Work: that's not an argument |
| 23:03.26 | Stanzilla | I think PoE has respeccing |
| 23:03.29 | Stanzilla | pretty sure though |
| 23:03.32 | Neffi | Maybe I dont? Maybe I don't want to play other games? |
| 23:03.39 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think it's a flaw, but some do |
| 23:03.41 | TC-Work | You don't bitch about wow needing to be online only |
| 23:03.43 | Neffi | If Skyrim had an online requirement, I would have never played it |
| 23:03.50 | Neffi | Because WoW is an online game |
| 23:03.53 | Mr_Rabies | if so, it's a flaw with diablo II as well |
| 23:03.54 | TC-Work | Do is D3 |
| 23:03.58 | TC-Work | it is what it is |
| 23:04.01 | Esamynn|work | honestly, to a certain extend, their technical explaination for that does make sense |
| 23:04.01 | TC-Work | So* |
| 23:04.06 | Esamynn|work | extent* |
| 23:04.37 | Mr_Rabies | characters are entirely serverside to prevent cheating, the vast majority of people play online |
| 23:04.43 | Mr_Rabies | diablo 2 single player was boring as all hell |
| 23:04.50 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 23:04.52 | Mr_Rabies | and you couldn't take your SP characters online |
| 23:05.14 | Neffi | I feel like that's a good way to do it |
| 23:05.27 | Mr_Rabies | not into diablo 2, at least |
| 23:05.51 | Mr_Rabies | you could take them online into a hacker's den and get totally wrecked 24/7 i guess |
| 23:06.02 | TC-Work | I play D3 like I played D2, as a single player game. I don't like other people. |
| 23:06.03 | Mr_Rabies | it's a bad experience, neffi |
| 23:06.18 | Mr_Rabies | some people may get attached to their SP character, they want to play it online |
| 23:06.22 | Mr_Rabies | hackers everywhere |
| 23:06.32 | Mr_Rabies | that's a bad experience |
| 23:06.45 | Mr_Rabies | also a bad experience: finishing the story, wanting to take your character online, but you can't |
| 23:06.59 | Neffi | Not necessarily |
| 23:07.07 | Mr_Rabies | having even single player require online to prevent character hacking is the best case scenario |
| 23:07.33 | Mr_Rabies | it's a bad experience to a smaller number of people |
| 23:07.35 | Neffi | Online vs offline is a dichotomy any gamer should be familiar with. I wouldn't expect anyone to expect to be able to take their single player expereince seemlessly into online. How often is that actually the case? |
| 23:07.53 | Mr_Rabies | not very many pc gamers don't have always-on internet |
| 23:07.56 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 23:08.00 | Neffi | The dichotomy has worked time and time again. FPS games that leverage it are as popular as ever and never got a complaint. |
| 23:08.02 | Mr_Rabies | double negative as all hell |
| 23:08.19 | Esamynn|work | the other side of the coin is viewing the online requirement as a form of DRM... which it is |
| 23:08.23 | Mr_Rabies | pretty much every pc gamer has an always-on internet connection, so it's the best way |
| 23:08.46 | Neffi | "pretty much every pc gamer " the problem with that statement being so popular is that it's absolutely so not true |
| 23:08.54 | Mr_Rabies | FPS games typically don't have an advancement system like an rpg that takes lots of time to advance |
| 23:09.01 | Mr_Rabies | and those that do |
| 23:09.06 | Esamynn|work | kinda like M$ thought all xbox users had an internet connection :P |
| 23:09.07 | Mr_Rabies | pretty much only have them in their online modes |
| 23:09.15 | Mr_Rabies | who doesn't that still plays pc games? |
| 23:09.16 | Neffi | Clearly you guys don't know what it's like to live in a rural area, where your internet is as always on as your car |
| 23:09.35 | Neffi | Spotty internet is still a reality for the majority of Americans, believe it or not |
| 23:09.35 | Mr_Rabies | why spend $1500-2000 on a gaming machine and not get broadband? |
| 23:09.40 | Neffi | And slow speeds are still commonplace |
| 23:09.40 | Mr_Rabies | i have spotty internet |
| 23:09.45 | Mr_Rabies | mine drops out every 4 hours on the dot |
| 23:09.51 | Esamynn|work | O_o |
| 23:09.56 | Neffi | Broadband literally is not available in many areas, and what many more areas call broadband is not broadband |
| 23:10.00 | kd3 | I'd have broadband if they'd build it out here |
| 23:10.03 | Mr_Rabies | and sometimes will be off for hours |
| 23:10.15 | Mr_Rabies | but you know what i do when my internet is down? |
| 23:10.31 | Neffi | Mr_Rabies: Dropping out every 4 hours would be nice for some people. Many suffer from terrible latency, bad and inconsistent speeds, dropped packets galore, and dropped connections every time they saturate their connection |
| 23:10.38 | Mr_Rabies | play a single player game on my pc, or a console, or anything |
| 23:10.39 | Esamynn|work | you guys are making me love my ISP again.... I've got a rock solid ADSL connection... it's great, as long as I never have to talk to the phone company to get them to change something ;) |
| 23:10.54 | Mr_Rabies | they probably shouldn't play an online game like diablo if they can't play online games, neffi |
| 23:11.03 | Neffi | I've lived in a few rural areas. There are many people that love to game, but simply do not have access to the type of internet that would satisfy this "always on" requirement |
| 23:11.18 | Neffi | That's true. Which is why it's a valid complaint that they didn't add a single player mode. |
| 23:11.28 | Mr_Rabies | i don't see anyone complaining that FPS games require you to connect to the internet to play the intended game |
| 23:11.42 | Neffi | You don't need to listen to that complain, because it might not pertain to you, but it does pertain to some people |
| 23:12.10 | Mr_Rabies | it's a valid complaint, but 95% of people making that complaint aren't affected by it |
| 23:12.23 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 23:12.28 | Mr_Rabies | let's just say, "most" |
| 23:12.28 | Neffi | That's an exaggeration, but I agree a lot of people do complain for the sake of it |
| 23:12.31 | Mr_Rabies | instead of a number |
| 23:12.37 | Esamynn|work | and 80% of all statistics are made up... including this one |
| 23:12.40 | Neffi | But you may be surprised by just how many people live without reliable internet |
| 23:13.12 | Mr_Rabies | they probably have come to terms with the fact that there are some things they can't do without broadband |
| 23:13.34 | Neffi | Hell there's a decent base of gamers who are essentially poor and cannot afford reliable internet. And many people scoff at them, like they have no right to be gamers because they're poor. For many kids (I was one growing up) my parents scrounging together change to get me that one cool game for Christmas was fucking awesome. |
| 23:14.05 | Neffi | And now kids in that same position find that they're being denied that capability because game companies have decided "you're too marginal to matter" |
| 23:14.08 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's a valid complaint that WoW doesn't have a single player aspect either, but not every game needs one |
| 23:14.57 | Esamynn|work | it's all about what you get in return for that additional requirement |
| 23:15.11 | Neffi | It's less valid for an MMO, because the entire game hinges on the premise that it's a social entity. The paradigm IS online. |
| 23:15.38 | Neffi | Games like Diablo III are not inherently online entities. They could work just as well single player. They've just adopted multiplayer because it's favorable to many involved. |
| 23:16.00 | Esamynn|work | that's a pretty thin line |
| 23:16.06 | Neffi | adopted exclusively multiplayer* |
| 23:16.16 | Stanzilla | http://repo.steamstatic.com/download/SteamOSInstaller.zip |
| 23:20.11 | kd3 | nearly a gig. oof |
| 23:20.42 | kd3 | and blah. why not a torrent? |
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| 23:22.28 | Stanzilla | yeah dunne, getting hammered atm, too |
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| 23:24.02 | Unkle | http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/it-security/dropsmack-using-dropbox-to-steal-files-and-deliver-malware/ |
| 23:24.44 | Unkle | Old news, but I just stumbled across the article. |
| 23:26.38 | Neffi | ack |
| 23:27.00 | Neffi | It seems more and more like by using any sort of internet service, I'm hugely vulnerable |
| 23:37.46 | Amarande | Neffi, maybe new SecureCPU is for you |
| 23:38.41 | Amarande | Introducing the all new SecureCPU. No hardware patents to worry about. It's purely open source design! It's invulnerable to all known viruses and malware, and its zero-pin design makes for an installation with no chance at all of damage to CPU or motherboard! No heatsink required! |
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| 23:38.58 | Amarande | (in the really fine legalese-sized print) "Software support may be limited." |
| 23:39.13 | Neffi | sounds good |
| 23:39.44 | Amarande | it kinda looks like this: http://wac.9ebf.edgecastcdn.net/809EBF/ec-origin.nyc.barstoolsports.com/files/2012/08/41M9C1RQa9L._SS275_.jpeg :) |
| 23:40.00 | Neffi | Give me 20! |
| 23:40.20 | Amarande | Ten? Sorry, for the price of ten scrabble sets I could get a real Core i5 CPU :look |
| 23:40.40 | Amarande | er, Twenty? heh |
| 23:41.16 | Neffi | If you could get a Core i5 for the price of 10, you can get a slightly faster Core i7 for the price of 20! |
| 23:41.20 | Neffi | <3 Intel |
| 23:41.40 | Amarande | actually, for twenty Scrabble sets you could probably get a quad-core LGA 2011 i7 |
| 23:41.51 | Neffi | where the fuck do you shop? |
| 23:41.57 | jleclanche | " lots of crufty old code still present that was written before ANSI C was even standardized." |
| 23:42.00 | jleclanche | always reassuring |
| 23:42.09 | Amarande | Neffi: around here it's usually $20 or so for such a beast |
| 23:42.17 | Amarande | most board games are. :) |
| 23:42.26 | Neffi | actually that seems about right |
| 23:42.30 | Neffi | jleclanche: whatcha workin on? |
| 23:42.44 | Amarande | which is why I tend to regard Battleship as one of the biggest sucker deals ever invented, LOL |
| 23:42.48 | jleclanche | Neffi: a git-powered wiki |
| 23:42.57 | Neffi | jleclanche: written in pre-ANSI C? |
| 23:43.01 | jleclanche | yes |
| 23:43.08 | Neffi | wtf |
| 23:43.22 | jleclanche | some fortran too |
| 23:43.24 | Neffi | Git was around back then? And wikis? |
| 23:43.32 | jleclanche | oh yes |
| 23:43.35 | Amarande | hm |
| 23:43.39 | Amarande | when was ANSI C standardised? |
| 23:43.43 | jleclanche | 89 |
| 23:43.50 | Amarande | ummmmm |
| 23:43.55 | Amarande | were there wikis on gopher? LOL |
| 23:43.59 | Neffi | Wasn't Git invented in 2005? |
| 23:44.01 | Amarande | since I'm pretty sure HTTP was invented in 91 |
| 23:44.03 | jleclanche | i wasnt serious |
| 23:44.15 | jleclanche | im working on a git-powered wiki that has nothing to do with what i pasted |
| 23:44.20 | Neffi | i c |
| 23:44.21 | jleclanche | which is a bit about X.org |
| 23:44.39 | Neffi | So Xorg has pre-ANSI C in it? That's actually not too surprising. |
| 23:44.48 | jleclanche | apparently |
| 23:45.28 | Neffi | A Git-powered wiki sounds somehwat interesting actually |
| 23:45.44 | jleclanche | theres been some attempts before |
| 23:45.49 | jleclanche | but im doing something a little different |
| 23:46.23 | Neffi | Well if you keep it up, I'd like to check it out |
| 23:46.37 | jleclanche | Neffi: https://github.com/adys/wikt |
| 23:46.39 | jleclanche | you can have a look now |
| 23:46.52 | jleclanche | it works already |
| 23:47.09 | jleclanche | im currently implementing commit metadata. minor edits, patrols etc |
| 23:47.25 | Neffi | cool stuff |
| 23:47.49 | Neffi | is it performant? |
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